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Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Hello and welcome. It's

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Speaker 2: Friday here on the Herd. It's me Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 3: In for one more day before Colin Cowhert returns.

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Speaker 4: I'm joined by Rachel Nichols.

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Speaker 3: We've got a splendid Friday show for you.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I could have gone with any adjective.

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Speaker 3: Rachel Lukat Doncis Traut's a sixty piece.

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Speaker 5: On the second night of a back to back on

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Speaker 5: the road where he sports forty the night before.

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Speaker 6: You like a hundred points in twenty six hours.

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Speaker 3: People are sick of the Lakers, but I'm sorry we

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Speaker 3: have to talk about them obviously. NCAA tournament, My guy

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Speaker 3: Boozer didn't quite look like baby Jokich and the opener

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Speaker 3: against Mighty Sienna Duke prevails. A couple of good upsets,

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Speaker 3: high points shot in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 4: You picked that I did.

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Speaker 5: Remember I asked you about first round upsets, and you

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Speaker 5: know typeline.

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Speaker 3: I tend to do well in the tournament bracket. Not

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Speaker 3: totally busted yet.

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Speaker 4: Got a couple of great guests on the show. Pro Bowler, a.

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Speaker 3: Potential All NBA first team rookie guy. Maybe we'll see

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Speaker 3: if he gets on the first team. And then Michael Rubin,

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Speaker 3: your friend fanatics co founder, joining the show talk flag

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Speaker 3: football in the final hour.

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Speaker 4: But I have to start with the Lakers.

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Speaker 3: Normally it be automatic NCAA tournament, right, Not so fast,

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Speaker 3: my friends. Look at what the Lakers are doing, Folks,

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Speaker 3: the story keeps getting crazier.

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Speaker 4: I mean, seriously, they can't be beat right now.

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Speaker 3: So in NBA parlance, last night for the Lakers was

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Speaker 3: supposed to be a scheduled loss.

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Speaker 4: Okay, they play Wednesday in Houston. Game ends. They got

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Speaker 4: to fly to South Beach.

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Speaker 3: Apparently they land around four am, get to the hotel

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Speaker 3: at five. As you heard here yesterday on the show.

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Speaker 3: When you hear that, you're like, Okay, let's assume Luca's

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Speaker 3: gonna sit, uh Lebron, I mean, the old man forty one,

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Speaker 3: He's gonna sit probably rest Austin Reeves, you don't need

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Speaker 3: to risk injury. You're in the middle of a long

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Speaker 3: road trip. So as the story goes, JJ Reddick said,

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Speaker 3: anybody tired, who's healthy, who's ready to go, and Lebron

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Speaker 4: I'm in Lebron, that's leadership, my friends.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't sound like somebody who's pouting and whining about

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Speaker 3: next year or whether or not he fits alongside Luca

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Speaker 3: and Reeves, that sounds like leadership. And Lebron's saying he's

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Speaker 3: gonna play. Instantly, everyone fell in line. It's Luca, It's Reeves.

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Speaker 3: And then the real surprise happened. Luca dodge it. On

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Speaker 3: the second night of a back to back, as Rachel said,

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Speaker 3: he scored forty against Houston. He dropped a sixty piece

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Speaker 3: folks sixty points in thirty eight minutes.

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Speaker 4: Last night. The Lakers stunned the heat. And listen, Miami's

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Speaker 4: not a great team this year. Their top eight in

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Speaker 3: They have a player named bam Adebayo who scored eighty

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Speaker 3: three points last week. I think we'll reference that in

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Speaker 3: who talked about the Lakers. They're not settling anymore. This

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Speaker 7: When he said he was playing, I was like, I

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Speaker 7: can't let a forty one year old playing not out

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Speaker 7: of play. So we signed up to play, and so

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Speaker 7: did Luca, and we went grounded and win out. It's

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Speaker 7: not an easy one, especially at the pace that that

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Speaker 7: team plays at. But the second half, especially that third quarter,

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Speaker 7: we plays some go basketball and then down.

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Speaker 8: The stretch and I took over the game.

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Speaker 3: You see the celebration and you can just tell the

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Speaker 3: vibes are off the charts right now. I mean they

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Speaker 3: are freaking out on the Laker bench when Luca goes

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Speaker 3: to the free throw line to get his sixtieth point,

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Speaker 3: an authentic sixty, not a fugazi sixty.

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Speaker 3: Lebron, by the way, got to give him some props.

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Speaker 3: You see on the screen thirty fifteen and ten, and

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Speaker 3: our stats team came up with this whopper. This is crazy, guys,

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Speaker 3: over the age of forty, in the history of basket

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Speaker 3: The entire rest of the league has won. Karl Malone.

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Speaker 3: I could not have guessed Karl alone. That's how dominant

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Speaker 3: Lebron was on the night of a back to back.

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Speaker 4: Hello, narrative killer, That's what Lebron's doing right now.

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to really quick, want to drill down

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Speaker 3: Luca twenty seven years old, He's like an old twenty seven.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he only has three dunks this year. I

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Speaker 3: don't think he's first team All NBA. All he does

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Speaker 3: is wine. Listen, Luca is shredding everybody. He's torching the league,

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Speaker 3: and he's torching the media. Anybody wanted to push back

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Speaker 4: Man, just take it. You were wrong.

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Speaker 8: Eat it.

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Speaker 3: He had sixty points, and you could argue Luca's sixty

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Speaker 4: They needed it. They had to come back in the

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Speaker 4: fourth quarter to win this game.

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Speaker 3: Luca's sixty was more impressive than BAM's eighty three last week.

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Speaker 3: I know you think, hey Jay, save that for hot

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Speaker 4: I don't need to. That's a legitimate take. That's credible. BAM.

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Speaker 3: Last week eighty three points, there was some gimmicks involved. Hey,

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Speaker 3: let's intentionally foul so BAM can get the ball back,

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Speaker 4: And again, eighty three points is amazing. Obviously, I'm not

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Speaker 3: The path to eighty three not as pure as Luca's

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Speaker 3: sixty sixty earned a little more impressive than eighty three

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Speaker 3: given and here's what Luca's done in this eight game

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Speaker 3: a funny line, you know, Bams eighty three points.

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Speaker 4: That they're just joking around and that home runs like

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Speaker 3: Matter that much. Again, not taking away from BAMS eighty three,

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Speaker 3: They have a huge win in Orlandos Saturday. I know

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Speaker 3: there's NCAA tournament games. It's the weekend. It's gonna be

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Speaker 3: NBA finals. All right, now, I'm gonna pivot to college basketball,

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Speaker 3: and you guys know I love to geek out.

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Speaker 4: During the tournament. We had some amazing guests this week,

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Speaker 3: Everybody seems to be under the consensus that Aj Debonsa

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Speaker 3: probably the number one pick. It was Darren Peterson for

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Speaker 3: a minute, and now it's pivoted back to Debonza Boozers lurking,

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Speaker 3: Darius Acuff is in the mix. Caleb Wilson as well.

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Speaker 3: But Aj Debonsa, let's talk about him. So the BYU

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Speaker 3: Star scores thirty five and has ten boards, but by

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Speaker 3: you lost to Texas. There's a great sound. We'll play

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Speaker 3: of Texas. How do you stop him? We can't stop him.

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Speaker 3: I mean Aj Debonsa was insane. If you've seen the

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Speaker 3: highlight reels online. I mean, they're throwing double teams at him.

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Speaker 3: He's doing whatever the hell he wants. You cannot stop

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Speaker 3: this kid. I see like a young Tracy McGrady. You know,

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Speaker 3: Bottom line is Aj Debonsa is going to be an

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Speaker 4: I just had a I just had a question.

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Speaker 3: He cost in the five to seven million dollar range.

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Speaker 3: If you look online, he allegedly got seven million dollars.

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Speaker 3: I'm just wondering, B why you Last year they made

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Speaker 4: Crazy game. This year they get Aj Debonsa. They're like a.

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Speaker 3: Middle of the pack team in the Big twelve. Now,

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Speaker 3: go with seven. For seven million dollars, they got one

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Speaker 4: It's over. I'm not saying they would not take aj Debonsa.

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Speaker 3: If you could get the number one recruit, top five recruit,

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Speaker 3: you take him, obviously. But we're in the infancy period

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Speaker 3: Michigan's doing it, you know, Duke b why you interestingly

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Speaker 3: has Debonsa at seven mil. I'm just wondering our team

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Speaker 3: seeing this and being like, hey, we all know, no

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Speaker 3: Man is an island. You cannot do it yourself. It

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Speaker 3: Would be why you have maybe fared better if they

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Speaker 3: would go I don't know, two guys for two million.

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Speaker 4: And a one million dollar guy and oh, by the.

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Speaker 3: Way, that trio, Hey, let's let's run it back next year.

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Speaker 3: We're not going to the league yet. And again I'm

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Speaker 3: not saying you don't take de Bonsa. I'm just asking

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Speaker 3: value that they spent on Debonsa? And it's not a

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Speaker 3: knock on the kid. He brought the major pub right there,

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Speaker 3: all over newspapers online, we're talking about him on this show.

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Speaker 3: When do you talk about BYU basketball and national TV shows?

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Speaker 4: Not ever?

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Speaker 3: And they got high profile games and again he was exceptional.

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Speaker 3: But they're one and done.

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Speaker 4: It's over.

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Speaker 3: We don't get any more De Bonsa, And to me,

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Speaker 3: that makes it's just a little annoying.

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Speaker 4: Here's Sean Miller.

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Speaker 3: The Texas coach, on trying to stop the potential number

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Speaker 3: one pick in the draft.

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Speaker 10: We understood that he has the ability to score like

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Speaker 10: nobody else. What we talked about is a jump shot

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Speaker 10: by him as a victory for us. Among the many

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Speaker 10: things he does, he just he puts so many fouls

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Speaker 10: And we were able to, you know, play him. And again,

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Speaker 10: I see he had twelve free throws. But these guys

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Speaker 3: Kings upon AJ DEBONSA. All right, we've got a wonderful

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Speaker 4: Hey, this is Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 3: Join me every weekday morning on my podcast, Straight Fire

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Speaker 3: with Jason McIntyre. This isn't your typical sports pod pushing

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Speaker 3: Obviously, the Lakers the biggest story in the NBA right now.

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Speaker 3: Apologies to the thunder who have won ten straight. It's

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Speaker 4: This is crazy.

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Speaker 3: So they have drafted in the top ten twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 3: They have been awful for so long I had to

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Speaker 3: I'll name some of the guys on the roster LaMarcus, Aldridge, Kawhi,

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Speaker 3: Fade away, tough shot, and folks, the San Antonio Spurs

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Speaker 3: He's isoing from the three point line. That's just spectacular.

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Speaker 4: They are nothing special.

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Speaker 3: One Ben Yama is doing things. You cannot stop him, folks.

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Speaker 3: And again, I know people are banging on the Utah

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Speaker 8: No, no, no, turn on the news.

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Speaker 9: This is the herd Line News.

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Speaker 6: You don't have to convince me.

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Speaker 5: Yes, all right, I want to talk a little bit

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Speaker 5: nearly impossible Jason for him to hit that sixty five

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Speaker 6: And not only do you have.

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Speaker 5: To play sixty five games, you have to play at

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Speaker 6: Count, and blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 5: Look, this is a guy who was continuously listed at

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Speaker 5: Now it looks like he won't make any of that stuff.

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Speaker 5: What do you think about this sixty five game rule.

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Speaker 3: Well, if I had a vote and one of us

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Speaker 3: I mean it feels goofy. He had an amazing season.

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Speaker 3: He's going to be penalized because he got a collapse

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Speaker 6: No, so First of all, you can't even fly with.

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Speaker 5: A collapse line. Yeah, so you can't get on a plane.

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Speaker 5: But you're telling me you're going to run up and

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Speaker 6: Look, I do have a vote.

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Speaker 5: Since the moment this sixty five game rule came in,

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Speaker 5: It was an ownership vote, not among not among the people, Jason.

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Speaker 5: But here here's the thing, and it's a little bit

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Speaker 5: they're trying to solve Oh, how to get stop people

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Speaker 5: to the tank? Well, it's because you're not giving people

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Speaker 6: That's a problem.

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Speaker 5: However, tying it to something completely different, the awards is ridiculous.

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Speaker 5: They're basically trying to bribe the players into playing more

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Speaker 5: This team was the sixth seed last year. They have

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Speaker 5: And so when you think about that and all NBA

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Speaker 5: he's no longer going to be part of that story

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Speaker 6: Like, I just this has to change.

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Speaker 5: If you don't want to change it for MVP or

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Speaker 4: Ye're screwing guys.

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Speaker 3: It feels like in baseball it's all about the numbers.

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Speaker 4: Football history doesn't.

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Speaker 3: I mean, specific awards and stuff don't really matter, like

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know when I said.

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Speaker 3: Something flippant like I think Austin Reeves is already better

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Speaker 4: Are like, no way Mark Price was this, that and

438
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Speaker 4: the other.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, so Austin Reeves is a getting awards and

440
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Speaker 3: accolades because the NBA's loaded, But Austin Reeves numbers are great,

441
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Speaker 3: and it's like Kate Cunningham's numbers are amazing he's been

442
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Speaker 3: has he been Luca's a point guard?

443
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Speaker 4: He hasn't been better than Luca.

444
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Speaker 8: But if he's been.

445
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Speaker 3: The second best point guard in the league, is SGA

446
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Speaker 3: of one or two or combo?

447
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Speaker 4: What do we do well?

448
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Speaker 5: I mean to your point about the idea of like

449
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Speaker 5: comparing players, right, it's hard to compare players across eras

450
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Speaker 5: because you know, no defensive hand checking, yes, defensive hand

451
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Speaker 5: checking and all the different rules we talked about the

452
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Speaker 5: other day. When Red Auerback was coaching and winning all

453
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Speaker 5: those titles.

454
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Speaker 6: There were six teams in the league. So you know,

455
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Speaker 6: the thing.

456
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Speaker 5: About All NBA is it actually allows you to compare

457
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Speaker 5: across eras because it's a competition among the other guys

458
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Speaker 5: in your era. So if you make the All NBA

459
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Speaker 5: team six times and someone twenty years from now makes

460
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Speaker 5: the All NBA Team three times, you can say the

461
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Speaker 5: six times guy was more impactful in his era than

462
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Speaker 5: the three times guy. It is one of the only

463
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Speaker 5: units of measurement we have for like the Hall of

464
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Speaker 5: Fame and other things to compare players. And now they're

465
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Speaker 5: throwing this rule in. I always like to use my

466
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Speaker 5: third team All NBA for players that we know are

467
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Speaker 5: among the best fifteen players in the NBA, but for

468
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Speaker 5: one reason another weren't necessary. Statistics didn't enter in there.

469
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Speaker 5: So like Steph Curry is still one of the best

470
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Speaker 5: fifteen players in the NBA, he doesn't played that much

471
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Speaker 5: this season. I think he's played like forty games. I

472
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Speaker 5: might throw him on my third team. I might not Lebron.

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Speaker 4: James, Wait, can you do that?

474
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Speaker 6: Or no, I can't this year? Y I used to

475
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Speaker 6: do stuff on that.

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Speaker 4: I don't think Lebron's going to get there, not even close.

477
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Lebron James has played forty nine games this season,

478
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Speaker 5: but you can't tell me that he is not part

479
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Speaker 5: of the main story of the NBA. What have we

480
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Speaker 5: been talking about for three days straight. Lebron's decision to

481
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Speaker 5: play a different role on his team has completely changed

482
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Speaker 5: the Lakers' chances and now they might be in contention

483
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Speaker 5: for a title. Also, at forty one years old, the

484
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Speaker 5: numbers he's putting up are so impressive. You can't stick

485
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Speaker 5: him on a third All NBA team because he's played

486
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Speaker 5: ten games less than you should quote should have.

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Speaker 6: I just I don't get it. I think that this

488
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Speaker 6: is a mistake.

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Speaker 5: I thought it was a mistake from the beginning, and

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Speaker 5: there is some movement of hey, let's at least detach

491
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Speaker 5: it from all NBA, and I hope that happens.

492
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Speaker 6: College basketball last.

493
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Speaker 5: Night VCU upsetting North Carolina in over time.

494
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Speaker 6: UNC had a nineteen point.

495
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Speaker 5: Lead Jason at one point, but the Tar Heels looked

496
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Speaker 5: so gassed if you watch that game down the stretch.

497
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Speaker 5: Hubert Davis criticized for shortening his rotation in that second

498
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Speaker 5: half in overtime. Take a listen to his rationale postgame.

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Speaker 3: Cubert, why did you go to just a six man

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Speaker 3: rotation in the second half?

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Speaker 8: Was my decision?

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Speaker 12: Just because you miss a shot doesn't mean something wrong.

503
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Speaker 12: And we had open looks, we had shots at the basket,

504
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Speaker 12: we had executed plays, and.

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Speaker 8: Sometimes the ball doesn't.

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Speaker 11: Go in.

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Speaker 5: Because it was my decision. Do you think Hubert Davis's

508
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Speaker 5: job is on the line right now? It's a big

509
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Speaker 5: talking point in Chapel Hill.

510
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Speaker 4: It's tough.

511
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Speaker 3: We did go to the same high school, obviously not

512
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Speaker 3: at the same time. So I got to cape up

513
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Speaker 3: for my guy, Hubert Davis. Also know him just a

514
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Speaker 3: tiny bit great guy. It's a bad loss. Up nineteen

515
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Speaker 3: in the second half and it wasn't just missing shots.

516
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Speaker 3: They were clanging free throws, couldn't inbound the ball. Rachel like,

517
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Speaker 3: now I did have VCU so you know, on the

518
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Speaker 3: spread minus to and a half. Really nice win.

519
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Speaker 4: It's a tough one.

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Speaker 3: He's had some I hate to use the word choke,

521
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Speaker 3: but the National Championship against Kansas, they were up big,

522
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Speaker 3: blew it. This game is crushing now. They were missing

523
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Speaker 3: their best player, Kayleb Wolfson's but they did go up

524
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Speaker 3: nineteen without Caleb Wilson.

525
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Speaker 4: It's tough. There's a lot of chatter online.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, not on the North Carolina message boards,

527
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 3: but it does seem like, you know, some of these

528
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Speaker 3: boosters who have clout are very unhappy and they may

529
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Speaker 3: be moving things behind the scenes to try to.

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Speaker 4: Find their guy. Right, you don't want to move off

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Speaker 4: Hubert because.

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Speaker 3: Obviously you know his history and great guy. That's a

533
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Speaker 3: tough loss man. That is a really tough one.

534
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Speaker 5: Look, when guys are claying shots like free throws and

535
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Speaker 5: things like that, when the shots are falling short, that's

536
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Speaker 5: how you know guys are tied to you.

537
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Speaker 6: Right, It's very specific.

538
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Speaker 5: So you shorten your bench toward the end of that,

539
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Speaker 5: a six man rotation is short, and those guys look

540
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Speaker 5: tired at the end. That's a coaching decision. That's not

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Speaker 5: a Caleb Wilson factor. I want to put the nineteen

542
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Speaker 5: point swing in perspective. It's the biggest collapse in the

543
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Speaker 5: NCAA tournament since twenty eighteen, which feels like it was yesterday,

544
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Speaker 5: but that's actually eight years ago. And it's the largest

545
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Speaker 5: collapse in the round of sixty four since the tournament

546
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Speaker 5: expanded in nineteen eighty five, so it's probably before that,

547
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Speaker 5: but they don't have you know, it sprout of sixty

548
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Speaker 5: four numbers.

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Speaker 6: The Heels were one and done in.

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Speaker 5: The tournament last year, right, Yeah, the first time that's

551
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Speaker 5: happened at UNC more than thirty years. First time in

552
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Speaker 5: more than thirty years the University of North Carolina has

553
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Speaker 5: had one and out.

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Speaker 4: It seems like you want to say something, I don't

555
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Speaker 4: fire coaches. I don't.

556
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say I don't like to campaign

557
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Speaker 5: for people to lose their jobs. I think we are

558
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Speaker 5: too quick across sports to fire coaches.

559
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Speaker 6: Can't fire the players, fire the coach.

560
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Speaker 5: You know, I don't love that, But to understand why

561
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Speaker 5: fans in UNC and boosters who are now more critical

562
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Speaker 5: than ever to college programs because they provide the money

563
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Speaker 5: for these players.

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Speaker 6: I get why they're upset. This has happened in thirty

565
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Speaker 6: years around these parts.

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Speaker 4: Tobacco Road could be in for a tough one. We

567
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Speaker 4: saw Duke struggle yesterday. Yeah.

568
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Speaker 3: John Shire with a major choke job against Houston in

569
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Speaker 3: the tournament last year. Yeah, I'll know, ever forget that lost,

570
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Speaker 3: and he's got a good team, and I don't know,

571
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Speaker 3: Josharer probably should win. Tommy Lloyd, I forget which guest

572
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Speaker 3: it was, Tommy Lloyd's maybe Erictorius.

573
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's under some pressure at Arizona.

574
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Speaker 9: It's tough to.

575
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Speaker 4: Win in March, so yeah.

576
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Speaker 5: Patriots safety Kevin Byard was on the podcast with NFL

577
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Speaker 5: insider Jordan Schultz. When Schultz stopped to break some news,

578
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Speaker 5: he said, Kristin Kirk is signing with the forty nine ers.

579
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Speaker 5: Byern told Schultz, Oh, I was hoping you were going

580
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Speaker 5: to say A. J. Brown is signing with the Patriots,

581
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Speaker 5: which is amazing. We've just been waiting for this trade

582
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Speaker 5: to happen. Do you think it will actually happen?

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Speaker 4: No, you don't you're right, Well, we've been waiting.

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Speaker 3: It's almost getting annoyed, like shouldn't Eagles just come out

585
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Speaker 3: and say, like we're trading him or we're not.

586
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Speaker 4: They're just too good.

587
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Speaker 3: They're good at their job, right, there's really no leaks,

588
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Speaker 3: it's all just speculation.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look again, Howie has said he's a

590
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Speaker 5: great player, and you don't trade away great players. Obviously,

591
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 5: though there has been building discontent there. You look at

592
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Speaker 5: aj and he had his best seasons under Mike Frame.

593
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Speaker 5: In fact, Mike Frabel fighting to keep him in Tennessee

594
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 5: was part of the static that lost Mike Frable's job.

595
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 5: That's how much they believe in each other.

596
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Speaker 3: So the staff is saying, sorry if AJ Brown's traded

597
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Speaker 3: after June one, so that's the cat pit goes down

598
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Speaker 3: from forty to sixteen.

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Speaker 5: So maybe we just it's forty seven million if they

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Speaker 5: trade him now, if they trade him at the dead

601
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Speaker 5: cat money, if they trade him after June first, it's

602
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Speaker 5: only sixty million.

603
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Speaker 6: That's all huge.

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Speaker 3: When you're they're trading him, what do you want him

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Speaker 3: June one? Like the draft has already happened. I guess

606
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Speaker 3: you'd be looking to next year's draft.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but also yeah, and also you know you could

608
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Speaker 5: get Yeah, I don't know, but the point is do

609
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Speaker 5: you want to keep him there? And they've beefed up

610
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Speaker 5: a little bit their wide receiver corps this offseason. Yeah,

611
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Speaker 5: so it kind of almost feels like they're preparing for

612
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Speaker 5: this trade. And now also with the Jaylen model trade,

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Speaker 5: there's a real framework for what should go back and

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Speaker 5: forth because their first round draft picks are almost identical

615
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Speaker 5: to what Kansas Cities were, so you can pretty much

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Speaker 5: do the exact same trade. So if you think Jada

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Speaker 5: Wattle and aj Brown are about worth the same thing

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Speaker 5: to their teams, well.

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Speaker 3: You think they're almost equal or no, I mean, I.

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Speaker 4: Rather Thad Brown superstar. Wattle pretty good.

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Speaker 6: He was a best receiver in that receiver's room he

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Speaker 6: was in Miami.

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Speaker 4: So sorry, toua, apologies. All right, Rachel with the news.

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Speaker 9: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 9: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 7: All right.

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Speaker 3: Coming up next, we'll talk to a former Dolphin pro bowler.

628
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Speaker 3: A lot of questions about Wattle and Tua and McDaniel.

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Speaker 4: That's next year on the.

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Speaker 3: All right, our next guest played in the league for

639
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Speaker 3: a long time for some great coaches, standout offensive linemen,

640
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 3: and most importantly perhaps he was at the Spurs game

641
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Speaker 3: last night. Toron Armstead, former pro bowler in the NFL,

642
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: stopping by on a glorious.

643
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Speaker 4: Friday in Dallas.

644
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Speaker 3: Now, Toront tell me you got front row seats for

645
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Speaker 3: one Bin Yama. I've never seen them up close like that.

646
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Speaker 3: I was like five rows in your thoughts on on

647
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Speaker 3: c and the Unicorn.

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Speaker 13: It was unbelievable, unbelievable experience seeing just him, but how

649
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Speaker 13: he operates, how the Spurs operate as a team. That

650
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 13: comeback win last night was special. Me and my son

651
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 13: were going crazy. I have an amazing video of the

652
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Speaker 13: game winner from Winby Stadium. Went crazy. I went crazy.

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Speaker 13: I'm not even a Spurs fan, you know. What I mean,

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Speaker 13: just the reaction was it was incredible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when you look an athlete like that, I can't

656
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Speaker 3: even think of an NFL equivalent, right, Like, there just

657
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Speaker 3: isn't anyone that big and fast who can move like

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Speaker 3: him and dominate. I don't know, maybe you you're pretty

659
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Speaker 3: light on your.

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Speaker 4: Feet for your size. Obviously you're not something.

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Speaker 8: I feel like I was a special athlete.

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Speaker 13: I think Megatron might be the only person that we

663
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Speaker 13: can have that conversation about. But this is different, bro,

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Speaker 13: this is different watching this man live. The movement, the quickness,

665
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Speaker 13: the skill, it's uh yeah, he's he's gonna He's about

666
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Speaker 13: the own the NBA for the next ten twelve years only.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, big Tom, let's get Let's get to

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Speaker 3: the NFL. So, obviously you spent a large course of

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Speaker 3: your career in Miami, New Orleans.

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Speaker 4: Let's start with the Dolphins.

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Speaker 3: I've been saying they're tanking for a while, they want

673
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Speaker 3: a shot at Arch Manning or one of the other

674
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Speaker 3: quarterbacks next year. That the Wattle trade surprised me. I

675
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Speaker 3: don't just your thoughts on what the heck's going on

676
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Speaker 3: in Miami.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, man, it's a lot of it's a lot of

678
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Speaker 13: financial limitations that the Dolphins have, and in order to

679
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Speaker 13: correct that, you you have to be heavily invested in

680
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Speaker 13: the draft. Because the contracts are slated in the draft,

681
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Speaker 13: the contracts are more minimal. When you get you get

682
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Speaker 13: guys later in the draft or even after the draft,

683
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Speaker 13: you can you can you have more flexibility as far

684
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Speaker 13: as your checkbook goes. And with the dead money situation,

685
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Speaker 13: they have to a departure Tarrek Hill, Bradley Chubb, now

686
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Speaker 13: Jalen Waddell. They they're getting rid of the large contracts.

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Speaker 13: That's that's in my opinion, that's all I see.

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Speaker 3: So eight Chan seems to be the last guy left standing.

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Speaker 3: Do you think they end up moving off him too

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Speaker 3: or is that just too much? And Willis would have

691
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Speaker 3: literally nothing to work with.

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Speaker 8: He's not going anywhere.

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Speaker 13: I'm I'm willing to stand firm on that one. Because

694
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Speaker 13: they get the chance to negotiate a contract in their favor.

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Speaker 13: This is their this is their style of negotiation. It's

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Speaker 13: the leverage that they have have. They create this contract.

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Speaker 13: The others they had nothing to do with. So I

698
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Speaker 13: think with that with this being the case for a

699
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Speaker 13: HN for Aaron Brewer as well. I think he gets

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Speaker 13: a deal done this offseason. They get a chance to

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Speaker 13: negotiate these contracts.

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Speaker 3: So essentially, you're being politically correct about the former GM

703
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Speaker 3: who sent out gave out some really awful contracts. We're

704
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Speaker 3: not going to call out names here. They did a

705
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Speaker 3: bad job. I think they know it. I am curious

706
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Speaker 3: the Malik Willis contract. You know it's favorable for the team. Obviously,

707
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Speaker 3: Dolphins fans that I know are kind of split. They

708
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Speaker 3: think like, Okay, maybe he's possibly the answer, and others

709
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Speaker 3: are like, this is basically justin fields with the Jets

710
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Speaker 3: last year. It's probably not a long term guy. Where

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Speaker 3: do you stand?

712
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Speaker 8: We have to see it. We have to see it, man.

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Speaker 13: Malik Willis has such a small sample size, but in

714
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Speaker 13: that simple size, we've seen some very very high moments,

715
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Speaker 13: very high potential. The ceiling is there now. We got

716
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Speaker 13: to see it on the down and down basis, week

717
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Speaker 13: to week basis, but also from Malik too. Get a

718
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Speaker 13: chance to get familiar with the scheme, get the keys

719
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Speaker 13: to the offense to where he's taking the number one

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Speaker 13: reps and he's with the number one receivers and the

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Speaker 13: number one you know what I mean, Like, he really

722
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Speaker 13: gets a chance to get comfortable, get and fill at

723
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Speaker 13: home in a situation we haven't seen it yet, so

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Speaker 13: I can't label him as a Justine Justin Fields or

725
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Speaker 13: any anyone else. We got to see from for ourselves

726
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Speaker 13: what he's going to bring.

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Speaker 3: Now you know Tua very well, I'll just say I

728
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Speaker 3: cannot imagine what the kids going through. Obviously, you know

729
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Speaker 3: you're drafted, you're the franchise quarterback, you get the injuries,

730
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Speaker 3: coach fired, and then ultimately you're gone, and you had

731
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Speaker 3: your chance, you're gone. He surfaces in Atlanta. I'm just curious,

732
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Speaker 3: how do you characterize his time in Miami and then

733
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Speaker 3: do you think he's got a shot to Unsea Panics

734
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Speaker 3: in Atlanta.

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Speaker 13: I was able to be in Miami when Tua played

736
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Speaker 13: his beast ball, when he let the NFL in pass

737
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Speaker 13: and he let the NFL and completion percentage.

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Speaker 8: We had a number one offense.

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Speaker 13: Like so I've seen the high I've seen some of

740
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Speaker 13: the woes too. I've seen the injuries. I've seen some

741
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Speaker 13: of the turnovers and misfortune. So his time in Miami

742
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Speaker 13: was great as far as his the ability to show

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Speaker 13: what he's able to do at his best. But the

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Speaker 13: inconsistency is while we're here today and while he's not

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Speaker 13: no longer in Miami in Atlanta, and we got to

746
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Speaker 13: keep in mind to the guys young, he's still young.

747
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Speaker 13: Twenty seven, twenty eight years old, he's still young. So

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Speaker 13: a lot at a quarterback life span. Nowadays they're playing

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Speaker 13: forty forty one. Not saying that to it wants to

750
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Speaker 13: do that or that's his the way his career shake out.

751
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Speaker 13: But I talked to him on the phone after he

752
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Speaker 13: signed with Atlanta. He's excited. He's excited for a fresh start,

753
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Speaker 13: for just a brand, just a blank page. Really, I'll

754
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Speaker 13: say that he's excited for a blank page to start

755
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Speaker 13: over and start writing his own story.

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Speaker 3: I was a little surprised that Minnesota was hotter for

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Speaker 3: Kyler Murray than even Tua. I don't I mean to

758
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Speaker 3: us had a better career than Kyler Murray. Obviously the

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Speaker 3: injuries matter. Were you surprised that that Minnesota didn't kick

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Speaker 3: the tires onto it.

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Speaker 13: No, I think it's more style of play for Coler

762
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Speaker 13: and what they're building in Minnesota. They got a lot

763
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Speaker 13: of deep threat receivers over there. Justin Jefferson maybe the

764
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Speaker 13: best receivement in NFL. I think Kyler with his big

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Speaker 13: arm and his movement ability allows them more opportunity in

766
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Speaker 13: that offense. Like for that style of play in Atlanta,

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Speaker 13: we know who we got in the backfield, but John

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Speaker 13: Robinson's going to get the ball quite a bit, got

769
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Speaker 13: bigger targets, Kyle Piz, Drake London.

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Speaker 8: You know what I mean. So that offense fits to

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Speaker 8: a style a lot more.

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Speaker 3: I need to ask about one other guy who you

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Speaker 3: spent time in Miami with, Mike McDaniel. He did not

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Speaker 3: get a head coaching job. He's gonna be the OC

775
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Speaker 3: of the Chargers. Interesting going from Tua to Justin Herbert,

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Speaker 3: two totally different quarterbacks were drafted right next to each

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Speaker 3: other back in the day.

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Speaker 4: Where are you on McDaniel?

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Speaker 3: I think previously on the show you had set some

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Speaker 3: interesting stuff on him.

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Speaker 4: You said you talked too. Have you talked to McDaniel.

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Speaker 13: I haven't talked to Mike. I haven't talked to Mike.

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Speaker 13: I'm excited for Mike. I think this is a beautiful

784
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Speaker 13: opportunity for him. I think the Chargers have the ideal

785
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Speaker 13: pieces for his offense to flourish and to be a

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Speaker 13: dominant force.

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Speaker 8: I truly do.

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Speaker 13: If the old lineman can come back healthy, Rashaun Schleder,

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Speaker 13: Joe Al they just signed Tyler be Oddish. If the

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Speaker 13: old lineman can come back healthy. With Mario Hampton, if

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Speaker 13: he can come back healthy, this is an ideal situation

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Speaker 13: for the style of offense Mike me daniel wants to

793
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Speaker 13: wants to orchestrate and then adding justin Herbert his ability

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Speaker 13: what he was able to do last year without having

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Speaker 13: much protection from the old line due to injury. It's scary.

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Speaker 13: I really feel that way this Chargers offense could be

797
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Speaker 13: e leaked.

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Speaker 4: Wow. So do you think they got a shot to

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Speaker 4: win the division?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know the Chiefs we'll see with with

801
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Speaker 3: with Patrick Mahomes returning, but Denver number one seed in

802
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Speaker 3: the AFC last year. But you've seen bullish on McDaniel

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Speaker 3: and Herbert. Huh.

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Speaker 8: I listen, I think that's a perfect match. I do.

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Speaker 13: I think it's I think we will be we will

806
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 13: be pleasantly surprised at the way that that offense works

807
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 13: this season, with the with those weapons, the way that

808
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 13: it is built, the size that they have. I think

809
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 13: that offense will be special. Would I give them? Give

810
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Speaker 13: them the division? I won't go that far, not say

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Speaker 13: I love what Denver is doing still and the Wattle

812
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Speaker 13: trading and getting Jalen Wattle from from Miami. In my opinion,

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Speaker 13: we get bo Nicks healthy. They're the they're the favorite.

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Speaker 4: Wow. Now, did I hear what we are?

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Speaker 3: You? I know you're friendly with Sean Payton, uh, knowing

816
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 3: him from your Saint's days. But I'm assuming you think

817
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Speaker 3: Peyton and Wattle are going to cook here.

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Speaker 8: I think Peyton and Wall are going to cook for sure.

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Speaker 13: I think bow Knicks man, what he what he was

820
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Speaker 13: able to do in your two the progression that he made,

821
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Speaker 13: how he evolved in his in his career, especially in

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Speaker 13: the postseason.

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Speaker 8: And men, you went back and forth. Now, but if

824
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Speaker 8: you don't remember this.

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Speaker 13: Yes, we went back and when you dropped her, when

826
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Speaker 13: you dropped your quarterback rankings.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I had a lot to say.

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Speaker 13: Yes, and bone Nicks went out and he went out

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Speaker 13: and showed and proved he beat Josh Allen head the head.

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Speaker 4: Well you know what I mean, Josh, right, that's fair.

831
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Speaker 8: Listen, listen, we talked about this, bro.

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Speaker 13: I love it, Okay, Yeah, so I think I think

833
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Speaker 13: Bone knicks him continuing his progression.

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Speaker 8: Is why I'm so high on the Broncos.

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Speaker 4: Interesting, So do you think I mean, listen, let's be real.

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Speaker 3: The AFC top quarterbacks Alan no Order, Alan Jackson, mahomes

837
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Speaker 3: Borough right there kind of in a separate teer.

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Speaker 4: Do you think Nix is.

839
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Speaker 3: In like tier two with like Stroud and Trevor Lawrence

840
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Speaker 3: and Herbert that that that caliber.

841
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Speaker 13: I I think mahomes is in his own, his own tier.

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Speaker 4: You have him a Jackson and Allen.

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Speaker 13: I put Patch mahons along. Okay, I'll put him along.

844
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Speaker 13: I put the next three together.

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Speaker 8: I do.

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Speaker 13: Then I will put Trevor Lawrence, bo Nicks, those guys

847
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Speaker 13: in that next class. I think bow might be the

848
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Speaker 13: first to get out of that class and enter into

849
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Speaker 13: into Tier two.

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Speaker 3: So if I told you to Ron Hey, bo Nicks

851
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Speaker 3: or Justin Herbert are you taking for your squad?

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Speaker 4: You would take both.

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Speaker 13: I feel like I can't lose either way. Wow, I

854
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 13: feel like I can't lose either way.

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Speaker 3: You know, Sean Payton, you might know something. Let me

856
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 3: wrap up last question here real quick. So the Ravens

857
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Speaker 3: back out of the Max Crosby trade, I know a

858
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 3: lot of players were talking about this.

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Speaker 4: Did you talk to anyone specifically? Were you stunned by this?

860
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Speaker 8: Yeah? I talked to Trey Henderson.

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Speaker 13: He's actually he'll be on my show this week, this

862
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 13: upcoming week, Trey Henderson will be on the set you all,

863
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 13: so please get over there.

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Speaker 8: But he talked about it, and in real time too.

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Speaker 13: He like took me through the chronological order of how

866
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Speaker 13: everything happened. Then him and Max were excited to play together,

867
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Speaker 13: like that was the plan.

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Speaker 8: They were going to be on the same d line.

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Speaker 13: And then everything happened with Max in the physical through

870
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Speaker 13: the injury concern, and it.

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Speaker 8: Happened fast too.

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Speaker 13: It changed fast, and Trey signed his deal and instead

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Speaker 13: of him and Max is him. But he noted a

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Speaker 13: lot of other guys on our defense that made him

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Speaker 13: want to go over there. Rokwann Smith, Cayle Hamilton, Balin Humphreys,

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Speaker 13: all those guys.

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Speaker 8: So he really wanted to go to Baltimore.

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Speaker 13: He thought Max was going too, right before he signed,

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Speaker 13: and then he got the news.

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Speaker 8: So it kind of all happened really fast.

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Speaker 4: Interesting.

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Speaker 3: I look forward to it for that podcast to drop

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Speaker 3: all right to Ron Armstead, great stuff as always congrats

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Speaker 3: on beating the head to head and Boe next, Josh Allen,

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you soon, buddy, Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Bo all right. Interesting, So was.

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Speaker 3: That well known Rachel that Hendrickson and Crosby we're gonna

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Speaker 3: play together.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I missed that memo.

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Speaker 6: I mean she said he's got the inside scoop forward that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it would have been pretty nasty.

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Speaker 5: We've heard from a bunch of insiders that it's because

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Speaker 5: Henderson became available that they started to back out of

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Speaker 5: the Max Crosby's trade. Remember Mark Slearoh said yesterday like,

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Speaker 5: if they needed he passes the physical. If they don't

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Speaker 5: need him, he doesn't pass the physical.

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Speaker 6: So I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I'm not inside on that, but we've seen that happen

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Speaker 5: in sports before.

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Speaker 6: I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 3: Coming up next, Top five NBA MVP candidates.

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Speaker 4: You know Luca, he's won