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Speaker 1: Welcome one and all to the Hammer Territory Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Sean Coleman. I hope wherever you are and

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Speaker 1: wherever you are listening, happy new year. Hope that your

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Speaker 1: new year is getting off to a great start. If

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Speaker 1: you were able to enjoy the Stranger Things finale, I

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Speaker 1: hope that it lived up to your expectation. If you're

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Speaker 1: a fan of someone that has either exited or is

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Speaker 1: still in the college football playoff, hope that you were

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Speaker 1: too disappointed. I mean, at least some of us don't

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Speaker 1: support teams that lost. AnyWho on to bigger and better

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Speaker 1: things when it comes to the braves and is always

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Speaker 1: here to break them down with me, one of the

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Speaker 1: best when it comes to breaking down the brains. A

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Speaker 1: podcast partner, if he's still talking to me after that

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Speaker 1: little quiff, Stephen, Hey, buddy, Hey, oh.

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Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, I miss Tennessee's playoff game. How much I did?

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Speaker 2: I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I was glad they didn't. Yeah, but anyway, we go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Price Yeah, So happy new Year. Obviously to everybody listening.

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Speaker 3: It's belated at this point. It's January fifth or sixth,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. January sixth today, So.

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Speaker 1: I don't happy David. I don't care if it's not

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Speaker 1: Larry David approved. You could say happy New Year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think one week is fair.

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Speaker 3: I think anytime in the first week of Jane I

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Speaker 3: agree with Larry David, though after that it's it is well,

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Speaker 3: you can't be it. Like Martin Luther King Day wishing

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Speaker 3: people happy.

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Speaker 1: He's still saying to Valentine state.

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Speaker 2: It's fine. Yeah, well that's your you're you, Yeah, you're special.

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Speaker 3: So so yeah, happy heard everybody. Twenty twenty six is here,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five is gone.

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Speaker 2: Thank god.

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Speaker 3: If you're a Brace fan, it was a miserable year

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Speaker 3: that we just went through. We do appreciate everybody that

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Speaker 3: followed along all year, of course, but with a new

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Speaker 3: year comes new hope, and for every team in baseball,

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Speaker 3: you know, we're rapidly approaching spring training. I think pictures

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Speaker 3: So it's coming, it's coming quick. And I don't think

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Speaker 3: the Braves are done yet. And we we've gotten a

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Speaker 3: little bit of stuff to talk about. There's been some

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Speaker 3: buzz about a specific guy that we're going to probably

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Speaker 3: focus on today, but Yeah, spring training's coming and it

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And you know, with the fact that there's you know, hey,

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Speaker 1: we've been through the winter meetings, we've been through the holidays.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of activity that's happened so

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Speaker 1: far this offseason, especially with the Braves. But the thing

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Speaker 1: is is that some of the major players in free

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Speaker 1: agency still are out there. I think we you know,

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Speaker 1: quite a bit about the Braves. You know, we need

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Speaker 1: making starting pitcher. We've talked at linked about the free

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Speaker 1: agent option Duringer Swarez, rom Ervaldez, Zach Gallan, Chris Bassett,

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Speaker 1: and that is Brewers starting pitcher Freddy Peralta, who many

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so his name's been out there for most of

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Speaker 3: The Brewers were one of the best teams in baseball

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Speaker 2: A team that's trying to compete to trade a guy

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Speaker 3: I sat on Twitter a couple of days ago that

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Speaker 3: That's not an insult, like calling somebody more of like

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Speaker 3: a two or three starter is not an insult. Being

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Speaker 3: like that's not an insult. But you know, people are

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Speaker 3: So those things matter in terms of the price. But

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Speaker 3: every single team in baseball would benefit from adding Freddy

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Speaker 2: Every single team.

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Speaker 3: There's not a single team in baseball that would not

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Speaker 2: That leads to a couple of problems.

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Speaker 3: One, every team in baseball is probably making calls to

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Speaker 3: And two, because his salary is so cheap. Even like

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Speaker 3: I don't know how much the Braves I know, I'm

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Speaker 3: the brags definitely checked in. But when he gets to

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Speaker 3: like farm system versus farm system, I don't know how

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Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense. And I don't want people

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Speaker 2: He wasn't an A.

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Speaker 3: I don't want people to freak out it like he's

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Speaker 1: I think a way to maybe put it that you know,

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Speaker 1: You go to baseball savant, there's a lot of red there,

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Speaker 1: the thing is is that at twenty nine he has

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Speaker 1: also every other team in baseball and the Brewers. The Brewers.

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Speaker 1: They know how to get value out of these type

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Speaker 1: while Freddy Ferrata is very attractive because of his durability,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's where it gets tricky, right.

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Speaker 3: So again, par also signed this big extension, not big,

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Speaker 3: it was a very small as a team. From the extension,

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Speaker 3: It's one of these like Ozzie Albi's extensions where he's

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Speaker 3: making like eight million bucks next year, which.

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Speaker 1: Is just five years. Fifteen million was basically value.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, with a couple of club options at the end,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, year total I think again, yeah, or seventy years.

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Speaker 3: So that's the level of money he's making, which is not.

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Speaker 3: I mean for a guy he's good as good as

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Speaker 2: That's what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Every team, in every single team in baseball. There's not

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Speaker 3: this CBA negotiation. You know, I think I think MLB

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Speaker 2: It would help us a lot.

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Speaker 3: If everybody spent some money this offseason. And so you're

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Speaker 3: heard this from other people where when when teams are

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Speaker 3: And remember when the Orioles made that deal for Burns.

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Speaker 1: He was making I believe he was making seventeen to eighteen.

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Speaker 3: The two wild cards are one, how much is it

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00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 3: gonna cost, what is the trade package?

436
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 2: What?

437
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,160
Speaker 3: Like, there's not a single prospect in the Brave system

438
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 3: that is untradeable to me, including Hurston Waldrip. I'm not

439
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,360
Speaker 3: as actually as high on Hurston as other people are.

440
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 3: Like I would Tradehurston in a heartbeat on the right deal.

441
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 3: But is one year of Paralta the right deal? And

442
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 3: then the second wild card is is it only going

443
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 3: to be one year or can you get an extension

444
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,719
Speaker 3: worked out? And how much is that extension going to be?

445
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 3: All of that has to be factored into the equation

446
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 3: of should we do this or should we not? So

447
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 3: it makes a lot of sense. The Braves need pitching.

448
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 3: I would love to get I mean, you know, par

449
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 3: Alto is a level of I would put par Alta

450
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 3: at the same level as like Ranger, Suarez and Framber.

451
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 3: I think that's perfectly fair. Even if you want to

452
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 3: say he's better than both of them, you.

453
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 2: Ever want to say he's better than Cease, I don't.

454
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 2: I don't know that.

455
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 3: I would spend a lot of time arguing that maybe

456
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 3: I would take Cease over Frambridge just I don't know

457
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 3: I could. I could, I would probably have to look

458
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 3: into that more. But like if Paralta was on the

459
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 3: free agent market right now, he would get a contract

460
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 3: comparable to those guys like easy because he's he's two

461
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 3: years younger than most of them, so he would probably

462
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 3: get more money actually, So that's the level of picture

463
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 3: we're talking about. It just comes down to how much

464
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 3: is how much does Milwaukee want? Milwaukee is an extremely

465
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 3: smart organization, like they are one of the best run

466
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 3: organizations in baseball and have been for multiple years now,

467
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Speaker 3: So they don't you know, they're going to aggressively price

468
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 3: Peralta because they know they're in the cat bird seat

469
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 3: when he comes to the number of teams that are

470
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 3: going to be interested, especially at eight million bucks, they

471
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 3: cannot be overstated how big of a deal it is

472
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Speaker 3: that he only makes eight million bucks next year, So

473
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 3: Milwaukee's very smart.

474
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: And how much is it going to cost? What is

475
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 2: the trade package?

476
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 3: And then is there a possibility for an extension? A

477
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 3: lot of times teams will say, hey, I need a

478
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 3: forty eight hour window to work out an extension and

479
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 3: if I can get an extension done, then we'll say

480
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 3: yes to the trade.

481
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: And I can't, then we won't.

482
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Speaker 3: That's happened before, and I can see that happening with

483
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 3: this because one year is just tough. Now, they were

484
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 3: able to trade Burns to the Orioles without an extension,

485
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 3: so you know, it's not a guarantee, and Paralta has

486
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 3: to be open to an extension like that's a big

487
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 3: part of it. I don't think Burns was open to

488
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 3: an extension. I think he was ready to get to

489
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 3: the open market.

490
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 2: So it all matters here.

491
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 3: It makes sense for the Braves, but this is a

492
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 3: tough one to get to the finish line.

493
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when we talk about the price for Paralta,

494
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 1: I think Paralta is perfectly within his realm, especially he

495
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 1: comes off you know, another potential top ten sim season,

496
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Speaker 1: which he's perfectly capable of doing. Yeah, he's got the

497
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 1: mindset he could put that together. That's one hundred and

498
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: fifty plus million that he's probably looking for in extension.

499
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: So all that all that to be considered. But I

500
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: think that this opens up conversation to another important part

501
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: when it comes to how the Braves are going to

502
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: continue to construct a roster into the future. You know,

503
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 1: I think that that's something that should also be discussed,

504
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: and that is the fact that they just have not

505
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: relied too much on trades over the past couple of years.

506
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: More on that, especially from Stephen's perspective here in just

507
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: a moment after another word from our partners. So, Stephen,

508
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: Alex and Thopless. You know, one of the things that

509
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 1: I was so excited about, you know, nearly a decade

510
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: ago when he came to the Braves is that something

511
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: that stood out during his time with Toronto is that

512
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: he went after it if there was an opportunity to

513
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 1: go get a talent, regardless of where they were really

514
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: in their career, regardless of price tag, so on and

515
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: so forth, regardless of if he hadn't for the short

516
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: term or long term, he went and made it happen.

517
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: He was before aj Preller, there was Alex and Thopoless,

518
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: and Thoughtless wasn't to the level of Preller, but he

519
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: he was that kind of gun slinging GM who would

520
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: make the risky deal that others weren't make, would not make.

521
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 1: But since he's gotten to Atlanta, that hasn't necessarily been

522
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 1: the case. Now I will say this, when he does

523
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 1: make a significant trade, he does typically very well. Look

524
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: at the matt Olsen trade, you know, look at the

525
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 1: Chris Sale trade. There have been some trades that have

526
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: not worked out so well, like the Sean Murphy trade,

527
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: the Wikian. I'm not bad Mouthew Murphy. It's just I

528
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: think anybody would look three years into the trade and

529
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: probably say it hasn't worked out as much as you

530
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: might have liked. But the point is is that he

531
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: still does make trade. But we are now more than

532
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: two years since he made the von Grism for Chris

533
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: Sale trade and it was absolutely a home run. He's

534
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: made other deals obviously in that time. He's acquired PRIs Johnson,

535
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: acquired Joe Jimenez, acquired Jorge Celaire the summer of twenty

536
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: twenty four. But there hasn't been like there's no part

537
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: of this roster at the moment that is a significant

538
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 1: contributor that is going to be relied upon significantly in

539
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six that is been acquired by trade over

540
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: the past two years other than Chris Sale. I bring

541
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: that up to say this, that's pretty eye opening when

542
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: you look at this roster, and I wonder if that's

543
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: kind of a changing to the guard for Alex or

544
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: if his time goes on, he may start to decide

545
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: he needs to make some trades. What are you your

546
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: perspectible on Matt then get into reasons why I think

547
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: he may have to start going more of the trade

548
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: route in the near future.

549
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Braves don't have the best farm system.

550
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 3: They do not, that's yeah, Like I know so Alex.

551
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 3: I've heard Alex say a couple of times that there's

552
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 3: we've never been told though, We've never been told that

553
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 3: we don't have the prospects to get a deal done.

554
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 3: We've had trades out there and they just haven't they have,

555
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 3: you know, the other team hasn't accepted.

556
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 2: And I do think that is true. And I know

557
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 2: for a fact that it's true. I know multiple teams.

558
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 3: Last year the Braves were interested in guys, and multiple

559
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 3: teams last year wanted Drake Ball and the Braves just

560
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 3: said no.

561
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: They were high, high level guys.

562
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

563
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 3: The thing the Braves don't have is while the Braves

564
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 3: usually have a guy like that, what the Braves don't

565
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 3: have is the next group of players after that that

566
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 3: make deals like this possible where you can still keep

567
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: your best guy and still get deals done.

568
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: And the example I've used in.

569
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 3: The past is like Boston, Boston trading for Garrett Crochet

570
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 3: but not having to give up either Roman Anthony or

571
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 3: Marcella Meyer, right and or like their top five. Really,

572
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 3: I mean, they kept most of their best prospects.

573
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: That's what the Braves don't have.

574
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 3: The Braves don't have the level of depth where they

575
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 3: can go at and acquire impact talent and keep the

576
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 3: best prospects for themselves. The Braves just they don't have

577
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 3: that level of depth. They have very little top end depth, yes,

578
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 3: and they have very little top in depth, especially in

579
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 3: the high miners, which is again so many teams are

580
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 3: trying to compete these days. They're not really looking for

581
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 3: sixteen year olds, They're looking for twenty one year olds

582
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: that are knocking on the door.

583
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 2: So I do think that plays a role.

584
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 3: You know, if we're being honest, it's been a tough

585
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 3: team to try to add to the last eighteen months,

586
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 3: So I think that plays a role. I mean, last year,

587
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 3: if the Braves were better, I am guessing they would

588
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 3: have added something decent.

589
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: You know.

590
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 3: The big shock last year was that they didn't sell

591
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: off pieces, not that they didn't even acquire pieces. So

592
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 3: I think it's you know, it's a little bit about everything,

593
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 3: but I don't think he has any I don't think

594
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 3: it's like he's against trading. I think it is it's

595
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 3: just been a tougher environment, specifically for the Braves the

596
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 3: last couple of years. But again, I don't think that's

597
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 3: going to be the impediment for our trade with Praulta.

598
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 3: It's going to be how many other teams are involved

599
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 3: in this?

600
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the part that plays into it

601
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: as well is that when you look at the strength

602
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: of the Brave system, it is their pitching, right. You know,

603
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: they're starting to get a little bit more depth in

604
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: that top level because of their pitching. But the problem

605
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: is is that they've also just had so many injuries

606
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: that I don't blame Alex for being reluctant for not

607
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: wanting to give up that pitching depth. Again, to your point,

608
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: I think that he would give it up in the

609
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: right deal, but it'd be hard to do. But even

610
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: when you start to tap into that pitching depth, like

611
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: you know a J. Smith Shaver who looked like he

612
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: may be on the verge of a breakout year this year,

613
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: he unfortunately undergoes Tommy John surgery. The other thing is

614
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: is that the top flight prospects that they've had, you know,

615
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: Strider and Michael Harris the seconds you know years ago,

616
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: swelling Back and Baldwin the last two years. They needed

617
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: those guys. Those guys have feel big needs for this

618
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: team and they're a big part of the future. So

619
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: that's why you don't trade them. So I certainly think

620
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: that that plays a part into it, as well as

621
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: your excellent point about, you know, the perspective of major

622
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: league teams wanting more major league ready talent than you know,

623
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: future talent. But the reason why I say that, why

624
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: I don't think Alex says has has you know, become

625
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: less inclined to trade or you know, you know, you

626
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: know it has less of a desire to trade. Trades

627
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: may become more of a focal point in the near

628
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: future if things don't necessarily work out for this team.

629
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: What I mean by that is is that we're we

630
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: just did. Brad and Scott did a great episode on

631
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: for instance, Ozzie Alby's and Michael Harris, you know, bouncing back,

632
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: wanting to see Austin Riley bounce back, wanting to see

633
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: Sean Murphy bounce back. We've got a lot of ifs,

634
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: a lot of hope that these guys bounce back. What

635
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: if they don't. What if they don't bounce back to

636
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: the level that they once were, That kind of lowers

637
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: you're ceiling a bit. The other factor of this team

638
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: that needs to be considered age is getting up there,

639
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: especially on the pitching side of things. Rice he Iglesias,

640
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: Chris Sell, Robert Swarez. You've got some older guy Ronaldo Lopez.

641
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: I know that he's not necessarily as old as those guys,

642
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: but coming off an injury, you've got some guys Matt Olsen,

643
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: you know, knock On Wood. I'm not wanting for him

644
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: to fall off, but if you look at some comparables

645
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: like Mark Tashera and others, it was their early thirties

646
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: where they started to fall off a bit. The thing

647
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: that I'm getting at is is that both age this

648
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: team has gotten old quickly and also the fact that

649
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: you've seen multiple years now where guys have not progressed

650
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: as you had hoped. If those things don't bounce back

651
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: or maintain where you hope they do, trades are gonna

652
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Speaker 1: have to become your route of getting things done. You're

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Speaker 1: going to have to take some risk. So that's why

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Speaker 1: it's not necessarily needed right now. But a year from now,

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Speaker 1: if we have another disappointing year, Yell will have a

656
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Speaker 1: lot of money out the books. But I think also

657
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Speaker 1: you've really got to start considering the trade route and

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Speaker 1: where you might be reluctant to trade guys in the past,

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Speaker 1: maybe you come a little bit more lenient on wanting

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Speaker 1: to trade them now to really feel some needs where

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Speaker 1: you need it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, certainly.

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Speaker 3: I mean when you lock up this many pieces and

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Speaker 3: then you have multiple you know, if we just if

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Speaker 3: we play a hypothetical game where the Braves have a

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Speaker 3: bad season in twenty twenty six, that'll have been multiple

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Speaker 3: bad seasons in a row. When you have this many

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Speaker 3: guys locked up and you have multiple bad season in row,

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Speaker 3: then you got to start making changes.

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Speaker 2: You got to start making moves.

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Speaker 3: And again, when you have this many players locked up,

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Speaker 3: usually that to be a trade.

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Speaker 2: So one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: Is going to have to become a thing if the

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Speaker 3: Braves don't find their way back to the playoffs in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: But I do want to make one last.

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Speaker 3: Point, and I know we're about to get out of here,

679
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 3: the Braves do need to find some sort of long

680
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 3: term answer in the rotation because Chris Sales under his

681
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 3: last year of team control. Ronaldo Lopez only has two

682
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Speaker 3: more years of team control, and again he's dealing with

683
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 3: all the injury stuff, and he might be a reliever.

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Speaker 3: I'm still waiting to see Spencer Strider, who knows, who

685
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 3: knows what? Spencer Stride, who knows in terms of health,

686
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: and who knows in terms of production? With Spencer Strider

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Speaker 3: like the one guy the Braves have that has some

688
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: control and talent combined that you're decently sure out of Swollenbach,

689
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Speaker 3: and even he's coming off a major elbow issue that

690
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Speaker 3: he had last year. So the rotation does not have

691
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Speaker 3: a lot of long term answers. So I have thought

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Speaker 3: for a while, whether it's Framberg, whether it's trading for

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Speaker 3: Peralta and locking much to an extension, it would help

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Speaker 3: a lot for the Braves to have at least one

695
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Speaker 3: legitimate long term answer in the rotation. Now with pitching,

696
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Speaker 3: do you ever have any long term answers?

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Speaker 2: It's a fair question.

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Speaker 3: Maybe not, and there's some people who don't think so,

699
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 3: like you never know what your rotation is gonna look

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Speaker 3: like two years from now, and that's fair, and maybe

701
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 3: it's best to keep everybody on two and three year

702
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: deals and figure it out year to year. But the

703
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: rotation does have a lot of long term questions and

704
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: they do have some young players. Hurst and Waldrip could

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Speaker 3: come up. He could have another good year and all

706
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Speaker 3: of a sudden, HERSTL. Waldrip looks like a long term

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Speaker 3: rotation piece. A J. Smithshaw for same thing, or pick

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Speaker 3: one of your favorite young prospects that could.

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Speaker 2: Come up and do that.

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Speaker 3: But you know that's why, on top of I think

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Speaker 3: the Braves need another picture because of depth, they do

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Speaker 3: have a lot.

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Speaker 2: They don't have a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of long term answers there, and you know, Peralta could

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00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 3: be that if you could get an extension done, but

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00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: you gotta trade for him first, and you gotta win that.

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00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 3: You gotta win that bidding war, and he's got to

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Speaker 3: be open to an extension, which is not a given.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I would not be surprised at all

720
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Speaker 3: if he came out in his agent or he said no,

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Speaker 3: we have no interest in an extension. We're gonna take

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00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: this thing to free agencies.

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Speaker 2: So it's a complicated deal. To get done.

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Speaker 1: Now. The right side of this for the Braves is

725
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Speaker 1: is that again I think that they have more pitching depth,

726
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Speaker 1: more intriguing to quality prospect depth from the pitching side

727
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Speaker 1: than they've had in many years. A Waldrop Jr. Ritchie Owen,

728
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Speaker 1: Murphy did hear for Wintes, John Carloslora, There's several others

729
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Speaker 1: out there on Murphy as well. That's great, but I

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Speaker 1: don't think that you need to tell anybody close to

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Speaker 1: the Braves who's been here for a while. It's great

732
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: to have all that prospect depth. It definitely doesn't mean

733
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Speaker 1: that it's going to lead to a long term healthy rotation.

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Speaker 1: You just got to go back a decade with all

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Speaker 1: the prospect depth that the Braves have and then you

736
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Speaker 1: come to realize that we're the only guy out of

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Speaker 1: that group that had more than one productive season for

738
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: the Braves was Max Free.

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00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So so pitching depth, again, it's a war of attrition.

741
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Speaker 1: So it's great to have it, but more often than not,

742
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Speaker 1: it's great to have it to where it gives you

743
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: a better chance or one or two productive arms coming

744
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: out of it than a whole staff. So yes, I

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00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: definitely do think that there needs to be things that

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Speaker 1: are kept in mind. I definitely don't think that a

747
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, big trade is absolutely needed, you know, to

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Speaker 1: make this team a true contender. I think they can

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Speaker 1: be a true contender as they are. But when you

750
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Speaker 1: play that if game, the Braves have lost that game

751
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: more often than they've wonted over the past two years.

752
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm saying all options being on the

753
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: table may be more truth to that now than ever.

754
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: So the options aren't there on the signing market. Brewers

755
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: like what they see in the in the minor league system.

756
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: Maybe Fredi peerol To makes sense. Maybe there's other options

757
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: that could make sense as well. Alex has the ability,

758
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: as we all know, to come out of left field.

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00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: Perhaps there's a trade on the table that we don't

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00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: know about yet, or player we're not really considering that

761
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: can get the job done. The big thing, though we

762
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: is is that the Braves again have a lot of

763
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: different routes they can go, and even as we're getting

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Speaker 1: closer to spring training, and only does that mean something

765
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: could happen quickly, it means that plenty of options can happen.

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Speaker 1: Where one door closes, another could open to get something done,

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Speaker 1: stevened anything else from you as we wrap up this

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Speaker 1: edition of the HAMMERD Territory Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Now, just reiterating when I said at the beginning, spring

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Speaker 3: training is coming quick. Now that we're on the other

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Speaker 3: side of New Year's it's coming. As we get closer,

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Speaker 3: we'll start doing you know, more preview stuff into the

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty sixth season. We'll look at the roster we all,

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Speaker 3: you know, we you typically wait until the roster is

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Speaker 3: pretty much set to start doing that. At some point,

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Speaker 3: we'll do a payroll show. Now that again most of

777
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 3: the off season heavy lifting has been done, We're still

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Speaker 3: gonna wait to see if there's one more, but we'll

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Speaker 3: do a payroll show at some point, just to go

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Speaker 3: over payroll. But yeah, the content rolls on in the

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six and we appreciate, you know, we so

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Speaker 3: much appreciate this that you guys have shown.

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Speaker 1: Us absolutely can that that cannot be stated enough. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you can find Stephen Tolbert at b Underscore Outliers, myself

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00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: at Stat's Sac, both of us. When it comes to

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Speaker 1: coverage outside of the Braves, we'll certainly have plenty to

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Speaker 1: talk about when it comes to basketball, both at the

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00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,959
Speaker 1: college and the professional level. Won't to dive too deep

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Speaker 1: in that, but hey, watch watch those news outlets. Plenty

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Speaker 1: of news to come along. But you, of course can

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Speaker 1: find hamor Territory across all forms of social media. Far

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Speaker 1: the Powell Territory family of podcasts. Until next time for

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Speaker 1: the wonderful Stephen Tolbert. My name is Sean Coleman. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you again soon here on the Hammer Territory

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