WEBVTT - Death Row is Systematically Executing Innocent Black People (Part 3)

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<v Speaker 1>Keep on riding with us, says, we continue to broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>the balance and defend the discourse from the Hip Hop

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<v Speaker 1>Weekly Studios. Welcome back to Civic Cipher Army host Rams's Job.

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<v Speaker 2>Qward here as usual, accompanying who I'd like to call

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<v Speaker 2>the pilot of this ship, King Rams Job.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we are doing this for you and we appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you tuning in and we want you to stick around.

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<v Speaker 1>The second half of the show is going to see

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<v Speaker 1>us discussing how death Row systematically executes potentially innocent black

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<v Speaker 1>people and I feel like we shouldn't need to add this,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're also going to discuss why we think that

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<v Speaker 1>is wrong, just in case you are someone you know

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't see a problem with it. Of course, there are

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<v Speaker 1>three cases we're going to discuss that all happened in

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<v Speaker 1>the month of September that we feel you should know about.

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<v Speaker 1>So stick around for that and so much more. But

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<v Speaker 1>we want to take you about the National Council of

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<v Speaker 1>Negro Women. If you haven't heard of the NCNW, please

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<v Speaker 1>check the website NCNW dot org. I'll share a bit

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<v Speaker 1>about their mission, which is to lead, empower and advocate

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<v Speaker 1>for women of African descent, their families and communities. The

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<v Speaker 1>National Council of Negro Women is an organization of organizations

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<v Speaker 1>comprised of three hundred and thirty campuses in community based

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<v Speaker 1>sections and thirty three national women's organizations that enlightens, inspires,

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<v Speaker 1>and connects more than two million women and men. Its

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<v Speaker 1>mission is to lead, advocate for, and empower women of

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<v Speaker 1>African descent, their families and communities. It was founded in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty five by doctor Mary McLoud Bethune, an influential

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<v Speaker 1>educator and activist, and for more than fifty years, the

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<v Speaker 1>iconic doctor Dorothy Hede was president of the NCNW. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>the NCNW programs are grounded on a foundation of critical

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<v Speaker 1>concerns that are now NCNW priorities. The organization promotes education,

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<v Speaker 1>encourages entrepreneurship, financial literacy, and economic stability, educates women about

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<v Speaker 1>health and promotes health care access, and promotes civic engagement,

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<v Speaker 1>and advocates for sound public policy and social justice. Around here,

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<v Speaker 1>Q and I have a saying. I'll let him chime

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<v Speaker 1>in with the same.

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<v Speaker 2>I was not prepared for Ramses to toss that to

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<v Speaker 2>me because he was the first person that I heard

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<v Speaker 2>say it, and I adopted it. He likes to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of platform me in situations like this. But the black woman,

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<v Speaker 2>the closest thing on earth to God is something that

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<v Speaker 2>we've not only adopted but truly how we feel. So

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<v Speaker 2>continue to lead us, protect us, and watch over us

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<v Speaker 2>as you always have.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, that's NCNW dot org. All right, well done, Just

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<v Speaker 1>through you that one, because it just sounds better when

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<v Speaker 1>when it doesn't. But sure I think it does. I

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<v Speaker 1>think you're there's something about it, man. I just anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, So we have to talk about some some

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<v Speaker 1>recent high profile executions that you may have encountered on

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<v Speaker 1>social media. I realized that this is heavy. These these

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<v Speaker 1>stories are grim for those of you who are courageous

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<v Speaker 1>enough to continue to, you know, walk with us on

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<v Speaker 1>this journey. You know, I feel like it's important to

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<v Speaker 1>remind you as often as we as we can that

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<v Speaker 1>we appreciate you taking a moment to take on problems

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<v Speaker 1>that that aren't yours, or you know, to support us

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<v Speaker 1>in our in our efforts to make the world a

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<v Speaker 1>better place. And you know, we're journalists and we work

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<v Speaker 1>in media, so this is what we do and this

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<v Speaker 1>is our contribution. We're going to share a few stories

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<v Speaker 1>and then of course we'll get to the story that

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<v Speaker 1>may have come across your timeline about Marcellus Williams. But first,

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<v Speaker 1>just know that these all happened within a month time span.

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<v Speaker 1>Gives you an idea of exactly what we're up against.

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<v Speaker 1>The first story comes from The Guardian. This one was

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<v Speaker 1>September twentieth. South Carolina executed a man on death row

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday, days after the key witness for the prosecution

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<v Speaker 1>came forward to say he had lied at trial and

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<v Speaker 1>the state was putting to death an innocent man, Khalil

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<v Speaker 1>Divine black Son Allah, forty six, was killed by lethal injection,

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<v Speaker 1>pronounced dead at six to fifty five PM, according to

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<v Speaker 1>the Associated Press, which was one of several media witnesses

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<v Speaker 1>to the execution. His lawyers had filed emergency motions for

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<v Speaker 1>a delay this week, citing new testimonies suggesting he had

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<v Speaker 1>been wrongfully convicted, but the state Supreme Court rejected the

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<v Speaker 1>police and Henry McMaster, the Republican governor, announced just before

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<v Speaker 1>the execution that he would not be granting clemency. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to circle back to that one. I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't feel like leaving these in the wings and

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<v Speaker 1>you having to anticipate when the other shoe was going

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<v Speaker 1>to drop. So we're just going to get through all these.

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<v Speaker 1>This next one comes from The Guardian, going from South

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina now to Oklahoma. Oklahoma executed a man by lethal

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<v Speaker 1>injectson Thursday morning, despite conflicting evidence regarding his guilt. Emanuel

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<v Speaker 1>little John, aged fifty two, was executed by lethal injection

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<v Speaker 1>for his role in the nineteen ninety two shooting death

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<v Speaker 1>of a convenience store owner during a robbery in Oklahoma City.

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<v Speaker 1>Little John was the third inmate put to death by

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<v Speaker 1>the state this year. He was twenty years old at

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<v Speaker 1>the time the crime was committed. During the robbery, the

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<v Speaker 1>store owner, Kenneth Meres, thirty one, was shot in the

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<v Speaker 1>face while trying to defend himself. Although little John admitted

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<v Speaker 1>to his involvement in the robbery. He has maintained that

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<v Speaker 1>his accomplice, Glenn Bethany, was the one who pulled the trigger.

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<v Speaker 1>Bethany was sentenced to life without parole, while Little John

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<v Speaker 1>was sentenced to death. Quote. I committed robbery that had

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<v Speaker 1>devastating consequence, as Little John said during the hearing. It

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<v Speaker 1>goes on to say, but I repeat, I did not

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<v Speaker 1>kill mister Meers. Little John's case has raised questions over

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<v Speaker 1>conflicting evidence, with some witnesses pointing at Bethany as the shooter.

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<v Speaker 1>His legal team argued against his executions, citing inconsistent prosecutions

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<v Speaker 1>in his case. His lawyers also mentioned Little John's troubled

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<v Speaker 1>childhood and underdeveloped brain at the time of the crime.

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<v Speaker 1>His team emphasized his personal growth in prison, where he

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<v Speaker 1>has become a positive role model for his family. Several

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<v Speaker 1>jurors have admitted they mistakenly voted for the death penalty

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<v Speaker 1>because they misunderstood the implications of a life without parole sentence.

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<v Speaker 1>During a hearing last month, Oklahoma's Pardon and Parole Board

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<v Speaker 1>voted three to two to recommend the state's governor, Kevin Stitt,

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<v Speaker 1>spare Little John's life. In twenty twenty one, the governor

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<v Speaker 1>commuted the sentence of Julius Jones, who was convicted for

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen ninety nine murder of Paul Howell, to life

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<v Speaker 1>without the possibility of parole, just a few hours before

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<v Speaker 1>his execution. But no such decision was taken for little John. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, this is the one that you might be

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more familiar with. This from the Associated Press.

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<v Speaker 1>A Missouri man convicted of breaking into a woman's home

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<v Speaker 1>and repeatedly stabbing her was executed Tuesday over the objections

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<v Speaker 1>of the victim's family and the prosecutor, who wanted the

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<v Speaker 1>death since commuted to life in prison. Marcellus Williams, fifty five,

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<v Speaker 1>was convicted in the nineteen ninety eight killing of Lesia Gale,

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<v Speaker 1>who was stabbed during the burglary of her suburban Saint

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<v Speaker 1>Louis home. Williams was put to death despite questions his

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<v Speaker 1>attorneys raised over jury's selection at his trial and the

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<v Speaker 1>handling of evidence in the case. His clemency petition focused

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<v Speaker 1>on how Gale's relatives wanted Williams the sentence commuted to

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<v Speaker 1>life without the possibility of parole. Quote the family defines

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<v Speaker 1>closure as Marcellus being allowed to live. Unquote, the petition stated,

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<v Speaker 1>quote Marcellus's execution is not necessary. As Williams lay awaiting execution,

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<v Speaker 1>he appeared to converse with a spiritual advisor seated next

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<v Speaker 1>to him. Williams wiggled his feet underneath a white sheet

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<v Speaker 1>that was pulled up to his neck and moved his

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<v Speaker 1>head slightly while his spiritual advisor continued to talk. Then

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<v Speaker 1>Williams's chest heaved about half a dozen times, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he showed no movement. Okay, now I'm going to start,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know you have some things to share with USQ.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe that we are saying that these people

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<v Speaker 1>are completely innocent of all crimes. They just randomly found

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<v Speaker 1>someone and put them on death row. That has happened

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<v Speaker 1>many times throughout our history in this country. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying that these instances are Indeed, many instances like

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<v Speaker 1>these are blameless the individuals at the center of the story.

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<v Speaker 2>But according to what we know, one of these instances, however,

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<v Speaker 2>is yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. But our position in discussing this isn't to say

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<v Speaker 1>that our position is one that needs to shed light

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<v Speaker 1>on the fact that this happens more frequently than people know. Recently,

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<v Speaker 1>we've been talking about Marcellus Williams, and for us to

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<v Speaker 1>do a segment dedicated to that, that would have been

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<v Speaker 1>sort of par for the course for us. But more

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<v Speaker 1>often than that, we deal data, and in dealing in data,

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<v Speaker 1>we can take a look at charts, grafts, trends, tendencies,

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<v Speaker 1>and we can share examples like this that paint a

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<v Speaker 1>better picture. We're not trying to say that the prosecution

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<v Speaker 1>has no case. I think that in a position we

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<v Speaker 1>can adopt as far as this segment is concerned, is

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<v Speaker 1>that the only case that a prosecution can make that

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<v Speaker 1>meets the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt should

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<v Speaker 1>not result in a death penalty sentence, if anything. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's in that space where we are able to articulate

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<v Speaker 1>this segment in the way that we have, which is

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<v Speaker 1>what we're witnessing is state sanction executions that are systemic,

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<v Speaker 1>and often enough, we're looking at black people at the

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<v Speaker 1>center of it. Now, Q, I know that you've done

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<v Speaker 1>a good amount of research into that data, So talk

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<v Speaker 1>to us a little bit about some of the findings

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe how they hit you.

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<v Speaker 2>So we spend a lot of time on our show

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<v Speaker 2>talking about how we feel, and people can push back

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<v Speaker 2>because they don't feel the same. So I want to

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<v Speaker 2>read some data. If anyone wants to double check, it's

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<v Speaker 2>very very easy, not only as Google free, but I'll

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<v Speaker 2>even point you to my sources, the Innocence Project and

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<v Speaker 2>the Equal Justice Initiatives. And this data can also be

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<v Speaker 2>coroberated by the United States government. So it's not This

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<v Speaker 2>isn't biased data that we use to try to shape

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<v Speaker 2>a narrative. It's just straightforward data. However, you can here

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<v Speaker 2>with the applic of this data, why the punishment for

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<v Speaker 2>any crime, or why capital punishment and execution should not

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<v Speaker 2>be the punishment for any crime, especially as rams is said,

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<v Speaker 2>when in a lot of cases it's just beyond a

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<v Speaker 2>reasonable doubt that the crime was even committed in the

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<v Speaker 2>first place, and that you cannot undo an execution. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of prosecutors, a lot of governors, and there's another

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<v Speaker 2>pattern here that you may have noticed, Republican governors of

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<v Speaker 2>red states deciding that what I say is what should

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately happen, even if I'm wrong, even if you can

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<v Speaker 2>prove I'm wrong, I already said that's what I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to do, so reaching that end is more important than

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<v Speaker 2>doing what's right.

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<v Speaker 1>This reminds me of the Central Park five, now, the

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<v Speaker 1>exonerated five, when Donald Trump was calling for the execution

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<v Speaker 1>that the death penalty deeper them, but anyway, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>So the death penalty in America is a flawed, expensive

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<v Speaker 2>policy defined by bias and error. It unfortunately targets the

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<v Speaker 2>most vulnerable people in our society and corrupts the integrity

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<v Speaker 2>of our criminal justice system. From police officers to family

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<v Speaker 2>members of murder victims, Americans are recognizing that the death

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<v Speaker 2>penalty does not make us safer, which I think people

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<v Speaker 2>would assume. If you give a crime the most extreme punishment,

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<v Speaker 2>people are less likely to commit that crime. It doesn't work,

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<v Speaker 2>but typically in the process of committing a crime, we're

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<v Speaker 2>not sitting down to process potential outcomes if we get caught.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not typically how crime works. You and I know,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is me stepping away from data for a second,

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<v Speaker 2>that unfortunately our criminal justice system works better for rich

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<v Speaker 2>people guilty of crimes than poor people that are innocent

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<v Speaker 2>of crimes. Now that sounds like me saying something that

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<v Speaker 2>I feel to be true. But the data will show

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<v Speaker 2>you that I'm correct. Two hundred people since nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 2>three have been exonerated and released from death row. Sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>hundred people have been executed in that same time. For

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<v Speaker 2>every eight people executed, one person on death row was exonerated,

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<v Speaker 2>so one out of eight at least four percent of

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<v Speaker 2>those sentenced to death are innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Important that there's a period after that word, because it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't say presumed, It doesn't say we think four percent

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<v Speaker 2>are innocent. Period. Several factors drive and lead to wrongful

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<v Speaker 2>convictions were seen in multiple cases that we just read about.

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<v Speaker 2>Erroneous eyewitness identifications. I'm sorry it was the other guy,

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<v Speaker 2>and prosecutors and legislators who have decided, well, we already

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<v Speaker 2>said that guy is guilty. We don't want to be wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't want to say i'm sorry. You don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to look in, and we don't want to look incompetent

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<v Speaker 2>or biased, be subject to the fiscal responsibility of having

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<v Speaker 2>had someone spend thirty years in prison for a crime

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't commit. So I'm not going to look at

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<v Speaker 2>the new evidence that you're trying to present that proves

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<v Speaker 2>that this person didn't commit this crime, because we have

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<v Speaker 2>DNA on the murder weapon. That's not this person who

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<v Speaker 2>we accused of the crime. We're going to execute him anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>because back then we made a good enough case to

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<v Speaker 2>convict him, so we don't care if we were wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>False and coursed confessions. People who can't afford proper legal representation,

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<v Speaker 2>who confess to crimes to just get out of the

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<v Speaker 2>situation that they're in. They don't know any better, they

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what to do. They're scared, they're tired, they're hungry,

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<v Speaker 2>they're whatever the case may be. You know, if you

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<v Speaker 2>just say you did this, you can go. Kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Inadequate legal defense, same thing, poor vulnerable people who cannot

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<v Speaker 2>hire a good enough attorney to advise them on what

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<v Speaker 2>they should do in situations like this. False or misleading

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<v Speaker 2>forensic evidence. In the case of brother Williams, here again

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<v Speaker 2>DNA evidence not his DNA present on the weapon used

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<v Speaker 2>to commit the murder. Too bad. Once again, we already

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<v Speaker 2>made our decision, and we're right. False accusations, perjury and biased. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you guys watch television or read the news

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever you get your information from, you may notice

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<v Speaker 2>that tens of millions of people in this country are racist,

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<v Speaker 2>flagrantly out loud, screaming it. Those types of people would

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<v Speaker 2>be motivated to make false accusations against someone like myself,

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<v Speaker 2>or call the cops on a neighbor watering the plants.

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<v Speaker 2>Those type of people end up in juries, juries, end

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<v Speaker 2>up not reflecting their communities. You know, black suspects on

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<v Speaker 2>trial with all white juries in Deep South states where

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<v Speaker 2>people are still flying the Confederate flag and wearing case

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<v Speaker 2>a KK robes and marching with tiki torches. Now, I

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<v Speaker 2>said those things off the top of my head. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're listening and you heard these stories, go back and

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<v Speaker 2>see what states they were in, and see if any

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that I just said resonate specifically to

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<v Speaker 2>the states where these things happened, Like Missouri, if you will,

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<v Speaker 2>Like South Carolina if you will, Oklahoma. Yeah, I'll let

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<v Speaker 2>you guys do your own research. I know it sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like feelings, but it's also the truth. The death penalty removes,

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<v Speaker 2>forgive how trivial this sounds, but it removes my bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I made a mistake. I'm sorry. It's done, and you

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<v Speaker 2>put somebody in jail for life incorrectly you're going to

0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.040
<v Speaker 2>take part of their life away. If you later find

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<v Speaker 2>out you were wrong. If you execut somebody and you

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<v Speaker 2>later find out you were wrong, no justice can be done.

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<v Speaker 2>No amount of money you give their family, no amount

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<v Speaker 2>of length the apology letters that you write can fix that.

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<v Speaker 2>Important to say this. In death penalty cases, perjury, false accusations,

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<v Speaker 2>and official misconduct are the leading causes of wrongful convictions,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's from prosecutors and law enforcement officers. A record

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and eleven exonerations in twenty eighteen involved witnesses

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<v Speaker 2>who lied on the stand or falsely accused defendants. That's

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and eleven exonerations in one year because of

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<v Speaker 2>that from death row. In fifty of those cases, the

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<v Speaker 2>defendants were falsely accused of a crime that never happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only did this person not commit a crime, a

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<v Speaker 2>crime wasn't committed. Without proper legal representation, those people will

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<v Speaker 2>get put to death again, not just for a crime

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't do, but for a crime that no one did.

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<v Speaker 2>So forgive me if you hear me getting more emotional

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<v Speaker 2>as I read this. Misconduct by police or prosecutors was

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<v Speaker 2>involved in seventy nine percent of homicide exonerations in twenty eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>This data coming from a single year. Concealing evidence that

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<v Speaker 2>cast doubt on the defendant's guilt is the most common

0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:23.199
<v Speaker 2>type of misconduct, which includes police officers threatening witnesses, forensic analysis,

0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:28.560
<v Speaker 2>faking test results, and prosecutors presenting false testimony the people

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<v Speaker 2>that we trust to uphold and enforce the law. Official

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<v Speaker 2>misconduct is more common in death penalty cases, especially if

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<v Speaker 2>the defendant is black. Data shows that eighty seven percent

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<v Speaker 2>of black exgneries were sentenced to death were victims of

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<v Speaker 2>official misconduct, compared to sixty seven percent of white death

0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:50.879
<v Speaker 2>row exigneries. A person doesn't have to be innocent to

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<v Speaker 2>be wrongly sentenced to death. That is very important thing

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<v Speaker 2>to process. The intense pressure to obtain a death sentence

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<v Speaker 2>and the political stakes for police, prosecutors, and even judges

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<v Speaker 2>can cause serious legal errors and contribute to wrongful convictions

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<v Speaker 2>and death sentences. There should not be any gray area here.

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<v Speaker 2>The number shouldn't even be one percent of people killed

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<v Speaker 2>being innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me go with that. First off, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>a fan of the death penalty, not just I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't believe that we should live in a world where

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<v Speaker 1>that is what we do.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone as flawed as you and I shouldn't be able

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<v Speaker 2>to say he deserves to be killed yes or she,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I'm most concerned about is that we'll say

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<v Speaker 1>this and there's you know, so many people that listen

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<v Speaker 1>to this show, and they may not be outraged. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what, if one out of eight airplanes crashed,

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<v Speaker 1>they would be an outrage. Or four percent of cars

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<v Speaker 1>rides resulted in a car crash, it would be outrage.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I want you to keep in mind that

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<v Speaker 1>these are human beings whose lives are being systematically exterminated.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll leave it right there. As always, i'd like

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