1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: New episodes of Monster BTK are released every Monday and 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: brought to you absolutely free. But if you want to 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: hear the whole season right now, it's available ad free 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: on iHeart True Crime Plus. For more information, check out 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: the show notes. Enjoy the episode. 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: You're listening to Monster BTK, a production of iHeart Podcasts 7 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: and Tenderfoot TV. Listener discretion is advised. 8 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 3: Delores Davis was reported missing on January nineteenth, nineteen ninety one. 9 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 4: I remember my wife after the phone and I saw 10 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 4: her come in. I can see her mouth the words, 11 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 4: and I kind of waved her off and like, I 12 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 4: don't have time for it. She said, it is just important. 13 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 4: My name is Jeff Davis and I'm the son of 14 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 4: Doloris Davis. So I picked up the phone and talked 15 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 4: to my sister, and she's pretty ristals. She said that 16 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 4: one of our cousins had called and they had been 17 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 4: contacted by the Sriiff's office and had been told the 18 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 4: mother's house had been broken into and the mother was missing. 19 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 4: And I knew as an ext cop Fatman Hugh probably did. 20 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: The body of Dolores Davis was found on February first, 21 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 3: at the intersection of West one hundred and seventeenth Street 22 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: North and North Meridian Street in Park City by a 23 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 3: teenager named Nelson Shank. Again, police failed to connect it 24 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 3: with BTK. With this murder, there were multiple opportunities where 25 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 3: Raider could have been caught. 26 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 5: With Deloris Davis. He wanted to do something different. He 27 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 5: wanted to take her body and take it to a barn, 28 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 5: but it was a foggy, snowy night, so he got 29 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 5: lost and he had to finally just dump the body 30 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 5: out under a bridge. So he comes back and he's 31 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 5: in a change into the Boy Scout uniform stuff, and 32 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 5: a cop comes along and they're checking people because they're 33 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 5: looking for this missing woman. And the cop is supposed 34 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 5: to check everybody. Had he checked Rader's car, he would 35 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 5: have found things that would have been very suspicious. And 36 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 5: Rader immediately started talking about, oh, you know, I'm a 37 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 5: Boy Scout volunteer, you know this camp up here, and 38 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 5: with the idea that no one would suspect somebody who 39 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 5: volunteers with the Boy Scouts to be a nefarious killer. 40 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 5: And he was right because the cop let him go. 41 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 5: The cop did not do his job that night, because, 42 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 5: of course, a nice guy like this isn't the kind 43 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 5: of person I'm looking for. So stereotype and the expectation 44 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 5: allowed Raider to be not caught. 45 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 6: That night, someone killed four members of a family. 46 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 7: Hedge vanished from her home suddenly last weekend. Her phone 47 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 7: lines had been cut, her door left open. 48 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 8: You see the victim play in there with plastic bags 49 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 8: over their heads, strangled. You could tell it was a 50 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 8: plan scenario. 51 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 9: Well, police have said no more about the contents of 52 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 9: the letter. It does contain some sort of threat and 53 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 9: implies the killer may strike again. 54 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 6: He's going to play with these victims. 55 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: He'd get him to the point of death and then bring. 56 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 6: Them back and then brings them back to the point 57 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 6: of death. 58 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 3: From My Heart Podcasts and Tenderfoot TV. I'm Susan Peters 59 00:03:53,840 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 3: and this is Monster BTK. It was May of nineteen 60 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 3: ninety one. Dennis Raider had gotten away with his tenth 61 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 3: murder just four months earlier. A Raider could have used 62 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 3: this success to keep killing, but instead he pulled back 63 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: and got a job as a compliance officer for the 64 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 3: city of Park City, a small suburb just outside of Wichita. 65 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 3: This was a job that would keep Raider very busy. 66 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 3: Here are his words from the book Confession of a 67 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 3: Serial Killer. 68 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: I revamped the program there instead of new animal control 69 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: laws and enforced them and set up professional standards in training. 70 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: I started code enforcement on junk cars, trashing the yard, 71 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: unmowed grass, etc. The position became more professional throughout the years. 72 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 3: This job earned Raider some unwelcome notoriety in the neighborhood. 73 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 3: Here's Carrie Rawson, daughter of Dennis Raider. 74 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 7: People in Park City, they knew him as a compliance officer, 75 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 7: and there's stories of him getting a ruler and measuring 76 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 7: their grass and being a hard knows about their animal 77 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 7: being loose so that they didn't have the permit for 78 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 7: their garage that they're building or their yard cell. I mean, 79 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 7: he could be a total hard ass. We even had 80 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 7: to change our phone number after you got that job 81 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 7: because people were calling mad. 82 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 10: I mean, there are people been liking, including people sometimes myself, 83 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 10: because he could be abrasive. 84 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 3: This is Bob Smiser, a Wichita native who personally knew 85 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 3: Dennis Raider. 86 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 10: If Dennis was nothing else, he was very very by 87 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 10: the book, there was no gray, it was black and white, 88 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,679 Speaker 10: and he was very precise in how things were doing 89 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 10: and if you worked with Nis, that's the way you 90 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 10: did it. I'm not saying it was bad. I'm just 91 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 10: saying that that's how he saw things. Was ABC. 92 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 3: And Rader went to the same church, Christ Lutheran in 93 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: Park City. Most of their interactions were normal, if not kurt, 94 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 3: but there was one incident with Rader that had put 95 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 3: Bob on edge. 96 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 10: One of my older daughters lived in Park City in 97 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 10: the house that her grandparents had lived in then the 98 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 10: street from Dennis. But my daughter came to me and said, Dad, 99 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 10: you know Dennis has showed up in our backyard a 100 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 10: coup foers. And I said, really, well, are your dogs 101 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 10: getting out? Is there something? No, No, we didn't have 102 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 10: any problem with the dogs. Get out. We got that 103 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 10: fixed up, she says, just creepy. I said, okay, And 104 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 10: I happened to catch Dennis at church. I said, hey, 105 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 10: what's up with my daughter and her husband? He asked 106 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 10: me where they lived and I told him why. Well, 107 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 10: she said, you know, you've showed up in the backyard 108 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 10: a few times. Just found it a little creepy, just 109 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 10: sort of wondering, Oh, it's their neighbor. I'm militia. The 110 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 10: neighbor in the last couple of years and I've talked 111 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 10: about it. She told me that her neighbor was single. 112 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: A single woman, single, vulnerable women were Raiders bread and butter. 113 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 3: From the middle of nineteen ninety one on, Raider used 114 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 3: his compliance officer job as a way to stalk women. 115 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: There were other pjs, PJ Tube, PJ Webb, PJ twin Peaks, 116 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: PG Music, PJ Clip, and PJ Spider. This last one 117 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: was a bee where I entered and waited, but no 118 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: one came home. Most of these were in Park City 119 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: area or north of Wichita. I was always on the prowl. 120 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 5: It's a common thing in the true crime books that 121 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 5: are written about Raider to say that he went dormant 122 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 5: between nineteen ninety one and two thousand and four, and 123 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 5: he says that's not true. 124 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 3: Author and professor of forensic psychology Catherine Ramsland. 125 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 5: He gave me a list of fifty five different projects 126 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 5: of women he had seen and stalked, and he had 127 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 5: named them, he had their address, he had described them. 128 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 5: He just broke in their house and they didn't come home, 129 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 5: or there wasn't a good opportunity, you know. During his 130 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 5: college years he could say I'm writing a paper at 131 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 5: the library and then goes stalk someone without anyone suspecting anything. 132 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 5: But once he was a father and husband and really 133 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 5: had to have a schedule, it was much harder to do. 134 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 5: But he did not go dormant. It's just that he 135 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 5: didn't succeed, and he talks about it being like a fisherman. 136 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 5: He goes out to fish and sometimes comes home empty handed. 137 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: We don't know for sure if Rader killed again during 138 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,359 Speaker 3: this time period. It's possible, but nothing has ever been confirmed. 139 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 3: If he did, in fact stop killing, it's the question 140 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 3: why why would he stalk but never kill. 141 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 5: I don't think it was anything like some moral idea 142 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 5: like maybe I should be attending to my soul now 143 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 5: or I don't think it was anything like that. I 144 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 5: think it was bad timing. I don't think he had 145 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 5: any reason to stop. I think he just didn't have 146 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 5: the opportunities that he had had earlier, and he was 147 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 5: feeling much less agile. His body strength wasn't what it 148 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 5: had been. That put him at risk for getting caught 149 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 5: if he had to jump out a window or something 150 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 5: like that. So I think he was feeling kind of 151 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 5: vulnerable and that maybe some of the things he had 152 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 5: done earlier, he was not going to be able to 153 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 5: pull them off. 154 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 3: As the years passed, everyone in the Wichita area wondered 155 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 3: what happened to BTK. Bob Smyser says that on more 156 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 3: than one occasion he was with Raider when that very 157 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 3: question was brought up. 158 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 10: Every Sunday, monks in the North Exa this group of 159 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 10: guys that we went fishing and did those things. We 160 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 10: all got together and talked and BTK came up. Dennis 161 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 10: was always really quiet. One of the guys said, you know, 162 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 10: BTK must have been pretty smart, you know, and Dennis said, yeah, yeah, 163 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 10: he was. He thought, you know, I'm the smartest guy 164 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 10: in the room and they're never going to catch me. 165 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 3: It's likely that Raider did think he was the smartest 166 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 3: guy in the room because he'd miraculously gotten away with 167 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 3: murder over and over again. Police at this point thought 168 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 3: BTK had either died or been arrested on other charges, 169 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 3: when in reality, Raider was walking through people's yards and 170 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 3: collecting items from their homes. 171 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 7: He can't help himself. I guess sometimes my dad could 172 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 7: be a dickhead or something growing up, but it's just 173 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 7: It's like an iceberg, right, like you're only seeing the 174 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 7: very tip of somebody with him, You're not seeing all 175 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,239 Speaker 7: this stuff underneath. 176 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 3: We're pressing. Those feelings turned Raider into a pressure cooker 177 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 3: ready to explode at any moment, and his family usually 178 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 3: paid the price when he did. Carrie recalls the time 179 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 3: when Rader got violent with her older brother Brian. 180 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 7: In August of ninety six. It was a week before 181 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 7: I was to go to Case statu as a freshman. 182 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 7: My cousin, Michelle, she was killed in a g vaccinaw 183 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 7: on my mom's side of the family. It was a 184 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 7: really horrible accident. She was like a sister to me, 185 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 7: and I was deeply grieving. All my family was and 186 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 7: I come home after my first week of college. My 187 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 7: mom had made manichotti for us after working all day 188 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 7: and gone to all this trouble. My brother was still 189 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 7: living at home in ninety six. For some reason, we 190 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 7: got into a family fight. Now I'm sure grief spilled over. 191 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 7: My dad's dad William at leukemia, So there's a lot 192 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 7: of stress going on. We've got this old kitchen table 193 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 7: and somebody pounds on the table. A metal leg comes out, 194 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 7: and so all like the plates come crashing down on 195 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 7: the floor. There's like Manicotti red sauce all over everywhere, 196 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 7: and my dad is blaming my brother. And my dad 197 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 7: snaps and he just lunges out of his chair at 198 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 7: my brother. He starts strangling him from the front. 199 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 3: These sorts of violent outbursts were not uncommon, and they 200 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 3: were typically directed at Brian. In fact, a similar incident 201 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 3: happened again just a few years later. 202 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 7: Maybe around two thousand, two thousand and one. My dad 203 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 7: went for my brother again, up against the utility closet 204 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 7: in the kitchen where he stored everything. He pushed him 205 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 7: against the same thing again with the hands, and after 206 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 7: that my brother moved out. My Dad's done it twice, 207 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 7: and we're not telling anybody. I don't know what do 208 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 7: they tell domestic abuse victims. If they're strangling you, they're 209 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 7: escalating and they're going to kill you eventually. There's literature 210 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 7: about it. If they're strangling you, they're going to escalate, 211 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 7: and you're gonna end up debt. Of course, I don't 212 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 7: know that. I'm not even equating it to abuse. 213 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 5: Then. 214 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 7: I literally had had conversations with my mom. We would 215 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 7: read something in the news, and she's like, why are 216 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 7: these women staying with these guys? Why are these battered 217 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,599 Speaker 7: women not leaving? And we talked about it that we 218 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 7: would always leave and we wouldn't do that. We were 219 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 7: that family. I mean, there's sort of like this whole 220 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 7: Midwestern thing, like you don't talk about your problems and 221 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 7: you look like you have it together or everybody has problems, 222 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 7: and so you're not special. But like mom and dad 223 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 7: are firstborns, and we look a certain way, and we 224 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 7: wear are nice clothes to church, our kids are well behaved, 225 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 7: get together with our families. 226 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 3: As time went by, Raider became less and less able 227 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 3: to control his anger. As much as he tried to 228 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 3: be a father at home, he was instead becoming more 229 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 3: of a monster, and it only got worse as he 230 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 3: got older. Raider's neuroses became more pronounced at home. Growing up, 231 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 3: Carrie was made to feel paranoid and confused by her father. 232 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 7: My dad was so ocd, it's so weird. He murdered 233 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 7: two children, right, He murdered Josephinotaro and Joey O'taro. In 234 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 7: seventy four, he murdered an eleven year old and a 235 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 7: nine year old. Yet he became so overly protective, especially 236 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 7: if me and my mom. He had dead bolts on 237 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 7: our front door and our back door in the kitchen. 238 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 7: It was almost like he was protecting us from him. 239 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 7: But it's because he knew how bad people could be. 240 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 7: He had that keen ability to read bad people. I 241 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 7: know to stay clear. 242 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 3: But Carrie knew none of that. To her, this was traumatizing. 243 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 7: When I'm little, he's teaching me these things. You're not 244 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 7: supposed to be telling kids about home invasions, right, And 245 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 7: he's telling me like, well, the kitchen door isn't that 246 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 7: great because the windows too big, and somebody can just 247 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 7: punch out the glass and then they can reach in. 248 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 7: But if it's dead bolton and the key's not in, 249 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 7: then they can't get in. They got a leg jam 250 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 7: the door. 251 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 4: More. 252 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 7: He's telling me when I'm little, don't open the door 253 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 7: to strangers. Question them, make them show you like they're badger. 254 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 7: They're telling you they're a cop or a maintenance man. 255 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 7: Check their uniform because he literally used it. 256 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 3: What he calls the roofs. 257 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 7: He has and will break into homes with women home 258 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 7: during the day taking care of children and murder these 259 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 7: women in front of their children, and yet he is 260 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 7: obsessive fleet trying to keep me safe. 261 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 3: Reader would continue to train Carrie as she got older 262 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 3: about how to look out for bad guys and to 263 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 3: defend herself. 264 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 7: This is mid nineties, around fifteen or sixteen. We're a 265 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 7: twin Link shopping mall, not far from where Vicky Wurgily 266 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 7: was murdered in eighty six. We're at Seers and he 267 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 7: decides at that moment that there is a good time 268 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 7: to teach me safety and security in a parking lot. 269 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 7: He's physically showing me, Now, if a bad guy rushes you, 270 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 7: you can knee him in the ball so you can 271 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 7: poke their eyes out, or you can jab him with 272 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 7: their elbow. He's literally showing me how to bite him off. 273 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 7: He's like, you're going to start driving now, so when 274 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 7: you're going to a dark heart night, check your back 275 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 7: seat and make sure there's not somebody laying in your 276 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 7: back seat, or check underneath your car, because somebody's skinny 277 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 7: could be under there in the slice ankle. And he's 278 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 7: showing me how to do the key as a woman 279 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 7: on women know, you stick the key in between your 280 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 7: hands and you can use it as a weapon. He's 281 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 7: teaching me that when I'm fifteen. 282 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,479 Speaker 3: On the surface, there's nothing sinister about a father teaching 283 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 3: his daughter self defense. For normal families, this wouldn't raise 284 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 3: any red flags, and it didn't for raiders. But his 285 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 3: self defense lessons weren't the only obscure clue to raiders 286 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 3: dark secrets. 287 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 7: My dad never bowled, but nobody questioned, Like this maroon 288 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 7: in my bowling bag that was kept by our door, 289 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 7: And of course you never looked at anything of dad's 290 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 7: because it wouldn't make your life really uncomfortable and awful. 291 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: Boys in there. 292 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 7: It was his hic hit. We camped a lot, so 293 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 7: we had tubs with rope and canvas tarps because he 294 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 7: would build two shelters when we're camping, and he would 295 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 7: store this stuff, so it wasn't unusual to have these 296 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 7: things in your house. And you don't go snooping in 297 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 7: dad's stuff. 298 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 3: Carrie says it's when she thinks back to her father's hobbies, 299 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 3: many of which were likely covers for his murderous activities. 300 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 7: I used to go to the hardware store with my 301 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 7: dad when I was the kid. He built this massive 302 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 7: treehouse that was one of his projects he threw himself 303 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 7: into after gardening. I found out later he would get 304 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 7: supplies for his hit kits while he was at the 305 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 7: lumber store, probably with me. I used to share cryptograms 306 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 7: with my dad. He taught me how to do him. 307 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 7: That was another thing I shared with my dad. 308 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 3: As the years passed, Raider's children got fed up with 309 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 3: his controlling behavior, they got older, and both eventually moved out, 310 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 3: but Carrie says she never forgot about her father's defensive 311 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 3: training or the paranoia that came with it. 312 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 7: In two thousand and one, I'm up at k State. 313 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 7: I've been in the dorms for five years. I'm ready 314 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 7: to have my own apartment. I call my dad. I said, 315 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 7: I've I find this little apartment on the corner in Manhattan. 316 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 7: It's a one bedroom. I want to live by myself. 317 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 7: And I said, the problem is the only door is 318 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 7: a patio door. Now I'm upstairs, but the door's pretty flimsy. 319 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 7: The lock is really flimsy, and I don't have any 320 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 7: way to get out if there's a fire somebody gets 321 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 7: in my home. He said, well, are there any other windows? 322 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,479 Speaker 7: And I said, yeah, in the bedroom upstairs, if I 323 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 7: had to, I could jump out of that in a fire. 324 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 7: He said, well, tell me about the location. I said, well, 325 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 7: it's on a busy corner. It's across from a pizza 326 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 7: hut and a Dylan's. I said, it's well lit, it's active. 327 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 7: And he said, no, you're fine, you're safe. No one's 328 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 7: going to mess with you there on that corner. He said, 329 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 7: go ahead and rent it, and when I come up, 330 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 7: I'll rig something up to secure your door. So he 331 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 7: took a broom and he took the broom part off 332 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 7: of the handle, and he wedged the handle in the 333 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 7: door for me, so that every night when I went 334 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 7: into my apartment, I would wedge it so that even 335 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 7: if somebody broke my flimsy lock, they couldn't open the door. 336 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 3: This story really struck me. It sounded odd that Rader 337 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 3: would tell his daughter that no one would mess with 338 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 3: her on a busy corner when he himself had committed 339 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 3: murders in broad daylight on busy streets. In my visits 340 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 3: to the victims' homes, I was often shocked by how 341 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 3: public the properties were. But yet again, Raider's mind doesn't 342 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 3: work like the rest of us. When Carrie and Brian 343 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 3: moved out of the house. Dennis invested more time and 344 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 3: responsibility at Christ Lutheran Church. This is where he and 345 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 3: Bob Smiser got to really know each other. 346 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 10: I think that for him in the church that it 347 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 10: may have been repentance. He was trying to figure it out. 348 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 10: I've stood at the front of the church with him 349 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 10: when we had communion and it was just him and 350 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 10: I in front of Pastor Clark. You know, you say 351 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 10: a little and I always had to wait for Dennis. 352 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 10: I mean, he was always a little longer at it. 353 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 10: Now was that show? I don't know. 354 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 3: Bob says that Dennis always seemed like a loner. They 355 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 3: rarely talked about anything important. 356 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 10: Dennis and I were never best friends, but I don't 357 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 10: nobody had one. He always felt like he was a 358 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 10: little bit guarded. He did help my mother. I had 359 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 10: a fire at ninety five out here on West Central 360 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,959 Speaker 10: in the apartment she was living in id bet Her 361 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 10: had a fire. She had bunch smoke, damaged, water damage 362 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 10: and called Dennis, and Dennis went out and helped halt 363 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 10: her stuff open to my cousin's house. 364 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 3: Bob never imagined that this man had a twisted dark side. 365 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 10: I had not seen that component of Dennis. Yeah, I 366 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 10: hadn't seen that component. 367 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 3: Neither did Pastor Michael Clark, who had a close relationship 368 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 3: with Dennis. In fact, Clark relied on Dennis for chor 369 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 3: around the church. 370 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 10: If when the acolytes hadn't got there and the candles 371 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,959 Speaker 10: didn't get lift, he always had always turn to Dennis 372 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 10: and say Dennis, and Dennis would do that. Their relationship 373 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 10: was good, and he was somebody kicked to Bendo. 374 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 3: Looking back, Bob never would have expected that raider was BTK, 375 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 3: but he felt that something big was going to happen 376 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 3: regarding the mysterious BTK killer. 377 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: And soon. 378 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 10: I just got this feelding, I want to know this guy. 379 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 3: In two thousand and four, Bob's premonition would begin to 380 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 3: take shape. That year was the thirtieth anniversary of the 381 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 3: Otaro killings, the first BTK murder. It's pretty common for 382 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 3: news outlets to program anniversary retrospectives for big events. In 383 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 3: the case of unsolved murders, where there's been no justice 384 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 3: for the victims or their families, there's an added goal 385 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 3: of potentially generating new leads, and that's what happened in Wichita. 386 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 7: The Wichita Egle ran an anniversary piece and there was 387 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 7: a show on the Otto murders on the thirtieth anniversary 388 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 7: that ran in like January two thousand and four, and 389 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 7: that's supposedly woke my dad up. He said that he 390 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 7: was kind of bored. The kids were grown, we were safe, 391 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 7: we were out of the house. He had raised us well. 392 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 7: Nobody remembered BTK, and he wanted to terrorize the community again. 393 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 3: On January seventeenth, two thousand and four, the Wichita Eagle 394 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 3: newspaper ran an article titled BTK Case Unsolved thirty years later. 395 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 3: Here is an excerpt. 396 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 11: It was a routine followed by thousands of wichital women 397 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 11: in the late nineteen seventies. Upon arriving home, checked the 398 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 11: phone immediately. If the line is dead, get out. What 399 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,479 Speaker 11: made the case frightenedly different for city residents was the 400 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 11: fact that the killer sent several taunting letters about the 401 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 11: crimes to local media. 402 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 3: The article, written by reporter Herschelaviana, was a complete retrospective 403 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 3: on Btk's many terrible deeds. Dennis saw the article. To him, 404 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 3: it was a resume of his many accomplishments. Part of 405 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 3: the article features Robert Beatty, who wrote a book about 406 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 3: the hunt for BTK. In it, Baty said that he 407 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 3: did not think BTK would ever return. Dennis took that 408 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 3: as a challenge. 409 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 10: We went on a fishing trip every year the guys 410 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 10: do and Dennison never went with us. In two thousand 411 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 10: and four we asked him again. Dennis said nah, He said, 412 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 10: I can't. I can't come along this year. I got 413 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 10: some projects I'm working on. 414 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 12: Eight minutes past now. In decades after a serial killer 415 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 12: terrorized Wichita, Kansas cops say the case that was once 416 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 12: cold may be warm yet again. In his letters to 417 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 12: media organizations, the killer used the initials BTK, standing for bind, 418 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 12: torture and kill. They never caught that guy, and twenty 419 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 12: five years of silence have followed, and today a Wichita 420 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 12: paper says it received another letter claiming responsibility for an 421 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 12: eighth victim who was killed in nineteen eighty six. 422 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 3: On March nineteenth, two thousand and four, the Wichita Eagle 423 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 3: received a new letter from someone claiming to be BTK. 424 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 13: The newspaper received that letter including photographs of the dead 425 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 13: woman's body as well as her driver's license as proof 426 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 13: that this was in fact BTK. Now he is also 427 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 13: claiming that she is victim number eight. He is not 428 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 13: just responsible for killing seven people. Now, the victim number 429 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,479 Speaker 13: eight is Vicky Wagery. She was strangled back in nineteen 430 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 13: eighty six, but her case had never been solved over 431 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 13: all these years, nor had it been connected to BTK. BTK, 432 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 13: he is sadistic, he is psychopathic, and investigators worry about 433 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 13: why he is suddenly making public contact. 434 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 8: That letter was from Bill Thomas Killman, so BTK. It 435 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 8: had three polaroids of Vicky Wagery and it had her 436 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 8: driver's license. My name is Kevin O'Connor. I was the 437 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 8: deputy District attorney in wich Daw Sedgwa County, Kansas during 438 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 8: the Dennis Raider investigation. The experts on that say that 439 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 8: that is him potentially giving up a momento. The polaroids 440 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 8: were significant because missus Wager was in very bad condition 441 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 8: when the medics found her, so they removed her and 442 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 8: took her to the hospital to try to save her. 443 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 8: So there were no crime scene photos of her, and 444 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 8: so this had to be the killer or somebody who 445 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 8: had come across or had access to the killer's stash. 446 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 3: Before now, authorities had no idea that Vicky Weggerley was 447 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,479 Speaker 3: connected to BTK. In exchange for his name in the paper, 448 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 3: Raider was willing to give up his trophies. He wanted 449 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 3: to start up a new cap'n Mouse game, so along 450 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 3: with the polaroids and driver's license, he sent along a cipher. 451 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: I had kept photos of missus Weggerley in my dark 452 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: green box in my Heidi hole in the false bottom 453 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: drawer of the cabinet. The code I placed on top 454 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: was a German fractional. Very simple. You line up the 455 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: alphabet in columns and put your code word in the 456 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: first line. It was a message to the author lit 457 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: beads for his book. 458 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 3: After years of hiding, BTK was back. Rayder loved the 459 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 3: attention he was getting in the news, and he wanted more. 460 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 3: He felt it was time to re emerge and claim 461 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 3: his credit. 462 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: With thirty years of material and growing older each year, 463 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: I knew I needed to get it out of the house. 464 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: I had for many years wanted to take my secret murders, clippings, drawings, 465 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: and stories and put them in a book or story format. 466 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: My BTK years as a young serial killer were done. 467 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 3: The Eagle ran its story on btk's return on March 468 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 3: twenty fifth, two thousand and four. Here is an excerpt. 469 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 11: A serial killer who terrorized Wichita during the nineteen seventies 470 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 11: by committing a series of seven murders has claimed responsibility 471 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 11: for an eighth slave and is now probably living in Wichita, 472 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 11: police said Wednesday. The photographs appear to be authentic, said 473 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 11: Lieutenant Ken Landware. I'm one hundred percent sure it's BTK. 474 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 3: Of course. At KKTV we also reported on this letter 475 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 3: sent to the Eagle this morning. 476 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 14: We have more information on the letter sent to the 477 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 14: Wichita Eagle by the BTK killer. Even thirty years after 478 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 14: btk's first known murders, investigators are still working the case. 479 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 4: Now. 480 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 14: Police believe BTK is alive and living in Wichita. Btk's 481 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 14: trademark writing letters to the paper and KKTV detailing his 482 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 14: murders and taunting police. 483 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 3: The last known letter. 484 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 14: Linked to BTK was received in nineteen seventy nine. 485 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 3: What we didn't anticipate was that very soon we'd be 486 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 3: roped into it ourselves again. Less than two months later, 487 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 3: on May fourth, two thousand and four, another letter appeared, 488 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 3: this time at k TV and in an envelope from 489 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 3: a Thomas B. Kingman. 490 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 15: It read the BTK story One, A serial Killer is Born, 491 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 15: two Dawn three, Fetish four, Fantasy World five, The Search Begins, six, 492 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 15: Btk's Haunts, seven PJS, eight, mo id Ruse, nine Hits, ten, 493 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 15: Treasured Memories, eleven, Final Curtain Call, twelve, Dusk thirteen Will 494 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 15: there be More? 495 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 3: This was an outline for a thirteen chapter book about BTK, 496 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 3: told by him and him alone. The letter also included 497 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 3: a word puzzle, a blacked out ID card, and a 498 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 3: special office first badge for Rader. Sending the letter to 499 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 3: KKE was an obvious choice. 500 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: KKE TV was my favorite media spot for me. They 501 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: seemed to cover the BTK case very well. 502 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 6: It's a very odd feeling to go to work every 503 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 6: day and know that you have to feed the national media, 504 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 6: you have to feed the local media. 505 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 3: This is Larry Hadiberg, my dear friend and former colleague 506 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 3: at CAKE. Larry and I would lead every single newscast 507 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 3: with the latest information on BTK. We felt like it 508 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 3: was our responsibility to tell people everything we could about BTK. 509 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 6: This was an odd time in my journalism history. Susan 510 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 6: and I were in it together and Jeff and several 511 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 6: of the other reporters who worked very hard on this, 512 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,959 Speaker 6: and we had to cover each other's But because we 513 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 6: didn't know where it was going, we didn't know how 514 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 6: it was going to end. 515 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 3: Deep down, everyone at CAKE was scared. It was a 516 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 3: time when we had to look out for each other. 517 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 3: We had no idea if BTK would one day just 518 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 3: walk through the station doors. 519 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 6: One night when we were walking out of CAKE, it 520 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 6: was quarter eleven or so, and we get just past 521 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 6: the concrete stepping into the thing, and a bicyclist is 522 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 6: down at the end of our driveway and he comes 523 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 6: at us seemed like one hundred miles an hour, and 524 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 6: I thought we're in trouble. I didn't know who that 525 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 6: guy was, and he's coming at us one hundred miles 526 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 6: an hour on that bicycle pulls up in front of us, 527 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 6: and I thought we're going to shot stab something, and 528 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 6: he was just a viewer. 529 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 3: Fear was a dominant emotion for us all the line 530 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 3: will there be More at the end of Btk's letter, 531 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 3: in particular, would haunt everyone at k TV and across Wichita. 532 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 2: I would go to the. 533 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 3: Grocery store and BTK was all that people would talk about. 534 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 3: Enrollment and self defense classes went way up, and people 535 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 3: started locking their doors again. We all reverted back to 536 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 3: the habits of the seventies. After over twenty years of peace, 537 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 3: Wichita was once again in a panic. Here's Bob Smeiser. 538 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 10: When that first letter came out, some of our neighbors, 539 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 10: some of the kids were just petrified. A lot of 540 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 10: people didn't know about the seventies. There's a lot of 541 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 10: younger people just didn't know. I think that most people 542 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 10: thought he was dead. To be real honest with. 543 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 3: You, the day after we received btk's letter at Cake News, 544 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 3: the police went on air to ask for tip. 545 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 16: Based on the information contained in this letter. We're again 546 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 16: asking for help from the public. We want to talk 547 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 16: to any citizen who he calls a man seeking access 548 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 16: to their resident by presenting identification as the employee of 549 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 16: a school or a utility company. 550 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connor says it became an all hands on deck 551 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 3: effort to find BTK. Everyone from local police, to state 552 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 3: police to federal authorities were called in. O'Connor was one 553 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 3: of them. 554 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 8: It was very strange and difficult time for my family. 555 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 8: I couldn't tell my wife. I mean it was news, 556 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 8: there was reporting on it now. But my particular role 557 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 8: is I couldn't tell anybody, so I might be having 558 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 8: dinner or something and get a call and go, I 559 00:34:55,160 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 8: gotta go. We had Witchtop Police, we had the Sheriff's apartment, 560 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 8: we had FBI personnel, we had Kansas Bureau Investigation that 561 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 8: helped out. We even had law enforcement from the United 562 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 8: States Postal Service. Everybody worked together. It was a beautiful 563 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 8: thing to see, really about how all the different agencies 564 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 8: focused on finding the right person rather than worrying about 565 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 8: who got credit. 566 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 3: None of us knew how long this would go on. 567 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 3: As it turns out, this was just the beginning. 568 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: This was my fantasy. The cat and mouse game gave 569 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 1: me an adrenaline rush or a high. It also set 570 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: a stage for the police to know that a serious 571 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: minotaur was in their midst. I've spotted a female that 572 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 1: I think lives alone. Just got to work out the details. 573 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: I'm back. 574 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 3: Next time on Monster BTK. 575 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 9: This is the strongest warning and yet police have issued 576 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,959 Speaker 9: for widgetants to watch out and take extra precautions after 577 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 9: a letter was found at the widgeta public library early 578 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 9: Saturday morning. 579 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 8: They opened it up and it was a doll purported 580 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 8: to be Nancy Fox and a description of the Nancy 581 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 8: Fox murder. 582 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 17: We had one instance in which a news director started 583 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 17: to withhold one of the postcards and try to trade 584 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 17: it for an interview with the police chief. 585 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 7: They got a subpoena and they got a warrant without 586 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 7: my knowledge, and they went to case date. 587 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 8: And so the plans were made, search warrants were drawn 588 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 8: in advance, and then that was the time to make 589 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 8: an arrest. 590 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 2: Monster BTK is a production of Tenderfoot TV and iHeart Podcasts. 591 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 2: The show is written by Noames Griffin, Trevor Young, and 592 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 2: Jesse Funk is Susan Peters. 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