WEBVTT - From MGM to #MeToo

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<v Speaker 1>Why Auzzy Media Productions. He sent me back a box

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<v Speaker 1>of chocolates with a note that said, Edith, the day

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<v Speaker 1>that you were willing to come out here with a

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<v Speaker 1>cotton tail attached to your rear end, what I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to do. That is what I would like to accomplish.

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<v Speaker 1>I would like to be a good actress. Well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the Neva Believe its sting. I think that you could

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<v Speaker 1>safely call Clark Gable a gold digger. I'm Sean Braswell

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<v Speaker 1>and this is the thread where we unraveled the stories

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<v Speaker 1>behind some of the most important lives and events in history.

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<v Speaker 1>This season, we've connected the stories of five American icons.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw how Hollywood legend Clark Gables star power helped

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<v Speaker 1>launch Las Vegas when his second wife, relaying him, divorced

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<v Speaker 1>him there. It was in Las Vegas that a nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old named Norma Jean Doherty later obtained her own

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<v Speaker 1>quickie divorce, enabling her to start her path toward becoming

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<v Speaker 1>the legendary Maryland Monroe. Then, in turn, an unknown magazine

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<v Speaker 1>publisher named Hugh Hefner cashed in on Monroe's fame, using

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<v Speaker 1>her nude image to launch his Playboy Empire. And finally,

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<v Speaker 1>it was in one of Heffner's famous playboy clubs that

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<v Speaker 1>a young reporter named Gloria Steinham first concluded that all

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<v Speaker 1>women are bunnies, an insight that helped launch her career

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<v Speaker 1>as a champion for women's rights. In this final episode

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<v Speaker 1>of the season, we complete our thread by tracing it

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<v Speaker 1>back to its origins in early Hollywood. The same studio

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<v Speaker 1>system that transformed the flawed Clark Gable into a king

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<v Speaker 1>also created a culture of abuse for women that lingers

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<v Speaker 1>to this day, and so we will also bring our

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<v Speaker 1>story full circle back to Steinham, back to me too

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<v Speaker 1>in the modern women's movement. In many ways, this remarkable

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<v Speaker 1>threat is ongoing and still impacts all of us today.

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<v Speaker 1>Clark Gable depended upon a series of wealthy, older, and

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<v Speaker 1>more experienced women to help get his career off the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>but Gable still struggled to make it as an actor.

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<v Speaker 1>When Clark Gable first came to Hollywood, he was in

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of bit parts and was not successful at all.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Anne Helen Peterson, a senior culture writer for BuzzFeed.

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<v Speaker 1>The men who ran the major Hollywood studios at the

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<v Speaker 1>time frankly did not give a damn about Clark Gable.

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<v Speaker 1>Warner Brothers executive Darryl Zannik reportedly said, quote his ears

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<v Speaker 1>are too big and he looks like an ape. MGM

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<v Speaker 1>head Louis B. Mayer said Gable was quote too elephant

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<v Speaker 1>eared and unattractive to be a leading man. So Gable

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<v Speaker 1>played mostly minor villains and thugs, from an ex con

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<v Speaker 1>turned cowboy in the Painted Desert to a murderous chauffeur

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<v Speaker 1>and night nurse good cat without the proper authority. I

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<v Speaker 1>give it you. I'm Nick the Shore. The women who

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<v Speaker 1>encountered Clark Gable in Hollywood saw is much more than

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<v Speaker 1>a chauffeur, rogue, or scoundrel. This included perhaps the most

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<v Speaker 1>influential woman in Hollywood, Ida Cooverman, was Louis Bimuir secretary E. J. Fleming,

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<v Speaker 1>the author of several books on early Hollywood, and Ida

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<v Speaker 1>Cooverman was responsible for some of the biggest MGM stars.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember Ida Koverman from episode five? She was

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<v Speaker 1>the one who handled real Langham gables living girlfriend when

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<v Speaker 1>she came to MGM to demand Gable's hand in marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>The formidable Coverman nicknamed mount Ida, was Louis B. Mayer's

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<v Speaker 1>top administrator, gatekeeper, and protectress. She was also considered by

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<v Speaker 1>many to be the brains behind MGM. She made sure

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<v Speaker 1>that Mayor saw the best scripts, and she hand picked

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<v Speaker 1>many of the studio's top stars. One executive put it

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<v Speaker 1>this way, coverman quote damn near ran the studio. Mg

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<v Speaker 1>m's male leaders could only see Clark Gable's ears. Ida

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<v Speaker 1>Koverman saw a star. One of Gable's first Hollywood films

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<v Speaker 1>was called The Easiest Way. He played a truck driver

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<v Speaker 1>for a laundry business and appeared in only a few scenes.

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<v Speaker 1>His name is listed last in the credits. The Easiest

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<v Speaker 1>Way was screened before a local test audience. The m

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<v Speaker 1>g M executive who oversaw the film and the test

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<v Speaker 1>screening was Irving Thalberg. He was mostly interested in how

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<v Speaker 1>the audience would react to the film's leading lady. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>Thalberg witnessed something entirely unexpected. The audience sat upright whenever

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<v Speaker 1>Gable appeared. Afterwards, women kept asking ushers who was that

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<v Speaker 1>handsome laundryman. Thalberg signed Gable to a contract the following day.

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<v Speaker 1>He made sure Gable starred in nine of mg m's

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<v Speaker 1>best films that year, and alongside the studio's biggest female stars.

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<v Speaker 1>Fortune smiled on Clark Gable, but his stardom was no accident.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing, and it's something that even Irving Thalberg

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<v Speaker 1>didn't realize at the time. Clark Gable's breakthrough moment, like

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<v Speaker 1>so many breaks in his life, was orchestrated by a woman,

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, Ida Koverman. She packed the test audience

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<v Speaker 1>with female MGM employees, women who are sure to be

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<v Speaker 1>enthralled by the handsome laundryman. While Ida Koverman identified stars

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<v Speaker 1>like Clark Gable, many of Hollywood's top male executives auditioned

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<v Speaker 1>aspiring female performers on what came to be known as

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<v Speaker 1>the casting couch. For many women, from the lowliest contract

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<v Speaker 1>actress to the biggest star, the so called Golden Age

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<v Speaker 1>of Hollywood could be a guilted nightmare. Shirley Temple was

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<v Speaker 1>a Hollywood megastar. At age six, she became a national

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<v Speaker 1>treasure in a country reeling from the depression. I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>good tip lonely Polish Greek trip to Annie. Temple was

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<v Speaker 1>a child of the studio system, but even the wholesome

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<v Speaker 1>superstar could not avoid the wolves of Hollywood. The twelve

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<v Speaker 1>year old Temple signed her first contract with MGM in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty and went there with her mother to meet

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<v Speaker 1>her new bosses. According to Temple, she and her mother

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<v Speaker 1>were separated when they arrived at the studio's executive suites.

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<v Speaker 1>Studio had Louis B. Mayer escorted her mother to his

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<v Speaker 1>office and left Temple alone with Arthur Freed, a producer

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<v Speaker 1>on the Wizard of Oz. Freed allegedly told Temple I

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<v Speaker 1>have something made for just you. Temple described what happened

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<v Speaker 1>next in her autobiography. She wrote, with his face gaped

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<v Speaker 1>in a smile, he stood up abruptly and executed a

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre flourish of clothing. Temple wrote that the forty four

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<v Speaker 1>year old Freed then pulled his penis out of his pants.

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<v Speaker 1>The young Temple reacted with nervous laughter. Get out, Freed shouted,

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<v Speaker 1>with his pants around his ankles, go on, get out.

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<v Speaker 1>Shirley rejoined her mother and learned that she too had

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<v Speaker 1>had to rush out of the office when Louis B.

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<v Speaker 1>Mayer lunged at her on his couch. As Temple summed

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<v Speaker 1>it up, MGM head quote more than its quota of

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<v Speaker 1>lecturs older men. Hollywood's problem with lectris old men started

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<v Speaker 1>at the very top the studio system consolidated at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the nineteen twenties, when talkies started to replace

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<v Speaker 1>silent films. The men at the top of a few

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<v Speaker 1>major studios that remained wielded unprecedented power, and they quickly

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<v Speaker 1>learned to abuse it. And the steady influx of aspiring

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<v Speaker 1>actresses that came through their doors and Helen Peterson again,

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<v Speaker 1>Oftentimes we describe these studio heads as like brilliant men

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<v Speaker 1>who guided these studios, and they did that, but then

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<v Speaker 1>they also, you know, wrecked a lot of people's lives.

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<v Speaker 1>The studio head set the tone for a culture of

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<v Speaker 1>abuse that soon became endemic to their organizations. The casting

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<v Speaker 1>coach culture has been a problem as long as movies

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<v Speaker 1>have been made E. J. Fleming. If girls wanted into

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<v Speaker 1>the movies, they had to sleep with men. It was

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<v Speaker 1>that simple. They didn't have an option, and they had

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<v Speaker 1>to sleep with the men at every level, cameraman, directors,

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<v Speaker 1>writers like today, everyone knew about it, and people whispered

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<v Speaker 1>about it. And if you didn't want to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>and you like Usually the sentiment passed along was like,

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<v Speaker 1>shut up and do it. If that's if you want

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<v Speaker 1>a career in Hollywood, this is what you have to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And even after you had paid the price to establish

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<v Speaker 1>yourself in Hollywood as an actress, the studio bosses still

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<v Speaker 1>had leverage over you. If the female stars rebelled in

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<v Speaker 1>any sort of way, whether that was refusing sexual favors

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<v Speaker 1>or anything else, they would just stick them in shoot movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the biggest defenders or names we've already mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>this season. First Louis B. Mayer, the head of MGM,

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<v Speaker 1>who was so instrumental to Clark Gables Rise and so

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<v Speaker 1>solicitous towards Shirley Temple's mother. Mayor had a hard one

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<v Speaker 1>reputation as a guard and of the public morality in Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone who made wholesome, quality motion pictures, he was no

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<v Speaker 1>different than any of the other studio heads. The truth

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<v Speaker 1>was he was a notorious abuser from his earliest days.

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<v Speaker 1>The very first meaning he had with an actress, he

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<v Speaker 1>would tell her be nice to me, and I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>nice to you. Each studio had a steady supply of

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<v Speaker 1>what were known as six month option girls, young starletts

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<v Speaker 1>that the executives passed around like candy. In episode three,

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<v Speaker 1>we told the story of Harry Cone, the chief of

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<v Speaker 1>Columbia Pictures, who fired Marilyn Monroe when she would not

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<v Speaker 1>join him on his yacht. He reportedly kept a private

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<v Speaker 1>room next to his office for his casting sessions, and

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<v Speaker 1>Darryl's Annek, the head of production at Warner Brothers, who

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<v Speaker 1>thought Clark Gable resembled an ape. Zannick, built the casting

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<v Speaker 1>couch into his daily routine. The entire place shut down

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<v Speaker 1>at four o'clock and from four to four thirty no

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<v Speaker 1>decisions were made because every single day, at four o'clock,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the contract actresses was brought to a back

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<v Speaker 1>entrance to his office to have sex with Darrel's Anneck.

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<v Speaker 1>The only actress who ever said no was Betty Grabel.

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<v Speaker 1>The first time she was brought to his office, he

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<v Speaker 1>walked up to her and she looked at it. She

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<v Speaker 1>looked at him and said, that's beautiful, Darrell. You can

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<v Speaker 1>put that away now. Darryl's Annek, Louis By Mayer and

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<v Speaker 1>other studio bosses were the original wolves of Hollywood, says

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<v Speaker 1>fleming women had little power against them. Rarely a woman

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<v Speaker 1>fought back, and if she did, the studio fixers went

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<v Speaker 1>into overdrive. Case in point, the story of Patricia Douglas,

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<v Speaker 1>the lowly twenty year old dancer who took on Hollywood's

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<v Speaker 1>biggest studio at the height of its power. MGM and

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<v Speaker 1>Louis B. Mayer had a lot to celebrate. In ninety seven.

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<v Speaker 1>The depression said most of the studio's rivals into bankruptcy

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<v Speaker 1>or receivership, but MGM was rolling in profits thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>its stable of film star as an innovative sales team,

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<v Speaker 1>and so Mayor decided to throw a studio party to

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<v Speaker 1>end all studio parties at MGM's annual sales convention E J. Fleming.

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<v Speaker 1>They brought three hundred distributors, theater owners and film salesman

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<v Speaker 1>to the studio from all over the country for a

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<v Speaker 1>five day boondoggle at the studio and Helen Peterson again.

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<v Speaker 1>MGM brought in a bunch of basically big wigs within

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<v Speaker 1>the company who were showing the films, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>exhibitors of the films, and through a huge party with

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of booze, and then employed a bunch of women,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, aspiring starlets as arm candy, Essentially, Patricia Douglas

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the young women who answered what appeared

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<v Speaker 1>to be a routine casting call. Patricia Douglas was a

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful twenty year old girl who lived in Hollywood with

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<v Speaker 1>her mother. Patricia went to a convent school. She was

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<v Speaker 1>very religious and like many young women, she had no

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<v Speaker 1>idea what she was getting into. For the promise of

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<v Speaker 1>seven dollars and fifty cents and a hot meal, m

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<v Speaker 1>Louis By Mayor greeted MGMs honored male guests when they

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<v Speaker 1>arrived at the train station amid much fanfare, and he

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<v Speaker 1>had dozens of beautiful women with him for the occasion.

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<v Speaker 1>Meyer welcomed him by saying, all these lovely girls are

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<v Speaker 1>here to show you how we feel about you. They'll

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<v Speaker 1>give you anything you want. That basically set the tone

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<v Speaker 1>for the week. The highlight of the week was a

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<v Speaker 1>Western themed party at a remote ranch outside of town.

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<v Speaker 1>Five cases of Scotch and champagne were brought in for

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred men. The invitations read, it will be a

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<v Speaker 1>stag affair out in the wild and wooly West, where

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<v Speaker 1>men or men. MGM outfitted Douglas and the other women

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<v Speaker 1>and bolero jackets, short swede skirts, black boots, and cowboy hats.

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<v Speaker 1>They were placed on a bus and driven out of town.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Douglas, many believed that they were going to

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<v Speaker 1>a film shoot. When got to the ranch, they realized

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<v Speaker 1>there were no lights and no cameras, just hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>drunk salesmen. The women had to fend for themselves. They

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<v Speaker 1>were basically trapped there. There were obviously no telephones, there

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<v Speaker 1>were no taxis. By midnight, the party was out of control.

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<v Speaker 1>Douglas claimed that she was pursued by a pudgy thirty

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<v Speaker 1>six year old bachelor from Chicago named David Ross. She

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<v Speaker 1>rebuffed his advances and Ross grew violent. Sometime after midnight,

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<v Speaker 1>he dragged her into the parking lot, threw her in

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<v Speaker 1>a car, beat her badly, and raped her. According to Douglas,

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<v Speaker 1>she started to black out from the alcohol that Ross

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<v Speaker 1>and a couple of friends forced down her throat. Earlier

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<v Speaker 1>in the evening, Ross slap Douglas and yelled cooperate. I

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<v Speaker 1>want you awake. The parking lot attendant happened to find

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<v Speaker 1>her about an hour later, and he grabbed one of

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<v Speaker 1>the Culver City police that were working the event, and

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<v Speaker 1>they threw her in a car and took her to

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<v Speaker 1>the hospital across the street. The hospital was basically MGM's

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<v Speaker 1>private hospital, and the head doctor was known as the

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<v Speaker 1>Studio Family Doctor. The doctor claimed to find no signs

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<v Speaker 1>of intercourse. Douglas was driven home in a studio car.

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<v Speaker 1>No crime report was ever filed. Douglas tried to tell

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<v Speaker 1>MGM what had happened to her, but the studio ignored her,

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<v Speaker 1>so did the Los Angeles district attorney, who was a

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<v Speaker 1>close friend of Louis B. Mayor. So Douglas got a lawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>then filed a lawsuit against David Ross, Eddie Mannix and others.

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<v Speaker 1>She wasn't after money, rather, as Douglas, who died in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and three, later said, quote, I just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be vindicated, to hear someone say you can't do

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<v Speaker 1>that to a woman. What Patricia Douglas did was completely unprecedented,

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<v Speaker 1>in part because it was so public. You know, some

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<v Speaker 1>women had tried to, you know, maybe protest internally, but

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<v Speaker 1>they never would go public with something like a rape charge.

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<v Speaker 1>Mayor in the studio had a squeaky clean image to uphold,

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<v Speaker 1>and just the news of the wild stag party. Let

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<v Speaker 1>alone a potential rape would be enough to send the

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<v Speaker 1>company stockholders into a frenzy. You know. It was just

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<v Speaker 1>bad news all around, and so they squashed the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Enter Eddie Mannix and Howard Strickling, the two head fixers

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<v Speaker 1>at MGM that we learned about last episode. Mannix and

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<v Speaker 1>Strickling went to work right away. There were newspaper stories

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<v Speaker 1>about a woman who was assaulted at a party, but

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<v Speaker 1>m JAM was never named as the studio. The newspaper

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<v Speaker 1>whitewashing was just the start. MGM actually hired Pinkerton detectives

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<v Speaker 1>to dig up dirt on Patricia, but they had a

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<v Speaker 1>problem because they found out that she was a virgin

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<v Speaker 1>who never drank. When blaming the victim didn't pan out,

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<v Speaker 1>says Swimming. The fixers fixed other things, including the memories

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<v Speaker 1>of key witnesses. Only two of the one and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>women even admitted that the party was wild. The parking

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<v Speaker 1>attendant also lost his memory. The attendants family later said

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<v Speaker 1>that he was given a for life at MGM anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted. Patricia Douglas's lawsuit was eventually dismissed as MGM

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<v Speaker 1>fix her. Eddie Mannix reportedly put it quote, we had

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<v Speaker 1>her killed. I think one of the tragedies is that

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<v Speaker 1>the very story of what she did and the way

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<v Speaker 1>that she stood up to MGM is largely lost and

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<v Speaker 1>even today it's not part of the story that we

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<v Speaker 1>really talked about um, in part because MGM was so

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<v Speaker 1>effective in burying it and making sure that it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>become part of the narrative of the studio or classic Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 1>or how women resisted the way that they were treated

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. Douglas's ordeal was rediscovered near the end

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<v Speaker 1>of her life by a reporter. She agreed to share

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<v Speaker 1>her story with the world once again. Why this is

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<v Speaker 1>how Douglas put it. When I die, the truth dies

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<v Speaker 1>with me, and that means those bastards win. Yeah. This

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<v Speaker 1>brings us to the end of our trip back through time.

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<v Speaker 1>We've now pulled on a thread that connects the lives

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<v Speaker 1>of Gloria Steinem, Hugh Hefner, Marilyn Monroe, Las Vegas, and

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<v Speaker 1>Clark Gable, one that runs from the pages of Miss

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<v Speaker 1>magazine to the casting couches of early Hollywood. But this

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<v Speaker 1>thread does not exist in isolation. Up next, we bring

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<v Speaker 1>our story full circle. The lives and events we've heard

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<v Speaker 1>about this season are part of a much larger arc

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<v Speaker 1>of history, stepping stones to a far greater story, one

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<v Speaker 1>that we are all a part of, and thanks in

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<v Speaker 1>no small measure to Gloria steinem Pollywood was a man's

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<v Speaker 1>world from the start, an embow wants of power that

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<v Speaker 1>allowed a culture of sexual harassment and discrimination to thrive.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, that is not at all how Hollywood has

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<v Speaker 1>perceived from the outside. And Helen Peterson again, there was

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<v Speaker 1>this real facade that was very carefully cultivated and maintained

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<v Speaker 1>that Hollywood was an incredibly moral place where only moral

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<v Speaker 1>things happened, and occasionally something would pop through that really

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<v Speaker 1>like spoke truth to that lie, like what happened to

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<v Speaker 1>Patricia Douglas, but it was quickly papered over. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this really worked until the nineteen fifties and the disintegration

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<v Speaker 1>of the studio and star system. But the abuse continued

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<v Speaker 1>even after the studio system broke down. Thousands of women

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<v Speaker 1>endured the harassment and few spoke up for decades. The

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<v Speaker 1>history of women in Hollywood has been a history of silence,

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<v Speaker 1>and Peterson says this silence made it easier for Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>to lie to itself. What has interested in me most

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<v Speaker 1>about the revelations around Weinstein and around me too, and

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<v Speaker 1>why I think it is shaken Hollywood so profoundly is

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<v Speaker 1>that it really believed itself to be a progressive place

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<v Speaker 1>where something like this, something that belongs in the echelons

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<v Speaker 1>of like classic Hollywood, could never happen. And some things

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<v Speaker 1>have not changed so much over the years, says E. J. Fleming.

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<v Speaker 1>The casting couch problem never really went away. The men

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<v Speaker 1>in authority in Hollywood, the writers, the directors, the producers,

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<v Speaker 1>they never stopped leveraging that position, and they are still

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<v Speaker 1>surrounded by enablers and fixers. The similarities between what Harvey

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<v Speaker 1>Weinstein did and what the fixers at MGM did they're

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly striking. And that's instructive because it shows, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we thought we were way beyond all that sort of

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<v Speaker 1>cover up, all that sort of vile manipulation of women,

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<v Speaker 1>all of the complicity of all these other people involved

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<v Speaker 1>that made this sort of exploitation impossible, But we're not.

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<v Speaker 1>Sexual harassment has of course been pervasive beyond the world

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<v Speaker 1>of Hollywood, but for a long time, there wasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>a word for it, Gloria Steinham. The term sexual harassment

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<v Speaker 1>was invented by women, young women at Cornell University who

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<v Speaker 1>are trying to describe what happened to them on summer jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>Steinen was no stranger to the experience herself. She endured

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<v Speaker 1>all manner of sexist barbs and harassment long before she

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<v Speaker 1>would undercover as a playboy bunny or as ridicule in

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<v Speaker 1>Screw magazine. This is Gloria Steinen biographer Patricia Marcelo again

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<v Speaker 1>from episode one. That's just how it was. Sexual harassment

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a thing, that was just a way of life,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said that herself. Um in fact, she said exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>sexual harassment is about power. When one is brave to

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<v Speaker 1>assert themselves and tell a story, then other women will

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<v Speaker 1>be too. The young dancer Patricia Douglas was brave enough

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<v Speaker 1>to tell her story, so was Marilyn Monroe, and starting

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<v Speaker 1>with her Expose a Bunny's Tale, Gloria Steinhum learned not

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<v Speaker 1>just to tell her own story, but also the stories

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<v Speaker 1>of other women, and to make sure that as many

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<v Speaker 1>people as possible heard those stories. Because we grow up

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<v Speaker 1>in this culture which is to whatever degree racist and

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<v Speaker 1>sexist and infected with class. We kind of think it's

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<v Speaker 1>normal because we don't know anything else. So until we

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<v Speaker 1>start to talk to each other and and affirm that

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<v Speaker 1>we are not alone in our in our experiences or objections,

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<v Speaker 1>it is an easy and understandable thing to remain silent,

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<v Speaker 1>to live in fear of powerful men. But as the

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<v Speaker 1>Me Too movement has demonstrated, it is also a powerful

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<v Speaker 1>thing to know you are not alone. Anne Helen Peterson,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that there is change coming, and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>much more optimistic than I did not even that long ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Patricia Marcello agrees, So I think that, um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>things like that Screw magazine article or long past, we

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<v Speaker 1>won't ever, ever, ever see anything like that again, especially

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<v Speaker 1>in light of what's going on today. Because of what

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<v Speaker 1>has happened in recent months, in recent decades, we can

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<v Speaker 1>be hopeful that things are changing in Hollywood and beyond

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<v Speaker 1>because of all the women who were brave enough to

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<v Speaker 1>fight back when there was next to nothing to be

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<v Speaker 1>gained from doing so. Because of Patricia Douglas, because of

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<v Speaker 1>Marilyn Monroe, and perhaps most importantly, because of Gloria Steinham,

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<v Speaker 1>We're at a remarkable moment in history with the rise

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<v Speaker 1>of the Me Too movement. Like many things, this is

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<v Speaker 1>progressive and now it has reached a tipping point so

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<v Speaker 1>that women are being believed for the first time in

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<v Speaker 1>my life. Tipping points in history rarely happen by accident, though.

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<v Speaker 1>They need trailblazers, those who are willing to be the

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<v Speaker 1>first ones over the ramparts, the first ones on the

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<v Speaker 1>protest lines, People like Gloria stein You know, she was

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<v Speaker 1>just a troublemaker, um, and they really came down on

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<v Speaker 1>her so bad that she almost left the scene. But she,

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<v Speaker 1>being the strong woman that she is, didn't. She hung

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<v Speaker 1>in there and she just kept pushing until you know,

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<v Speaker 1>things changed. Thank God for that. Gloria Steinen was not

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<v Speaker 1>just a troublemaker and a trailblazer. She was an organizer,

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<v Speaker 1>a catalyst. Often that is what tipping points require above

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<v Speaker 1>all else, someone who can bring people together, and in

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<v Speaker 1>an era before social media and the information age, that

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<v Speaker 1>meant someone willing to hit the road, someone willing to

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<v Speaker 1>ride the bus and live out of a suitcase, someone

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<v Speaker 1>willing to listen to thousands of individual women's stories, someone

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<v Speaker 1>who can tell you that you are not alone, that

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<v Speaker 1>you're not crazy. But it wasn't until the women's movement

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<v Speaker 1>came along and people began to gather in living rooms

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<v Speaker 1>and school gyms and cafete areas and factories and talk

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<v Speaker 1>to each other as they are talking to each other

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<v Speaker 1>now about sexual harassment and realizing that we were not crazy,

0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:13.600
<v Speaker 1>the system was crazy, that we had a right to

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<v Speaker 1>be treated equally and paid equally, and to be physically safe.

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<v Speaker 1>It can be hard to quantify the impact of an

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<v Speaker 1>organizer and influencer like Steinhem in the abstract, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>there in the story of every individual whose life she

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<v Speaker 1>has touched. Patricia Marcello again, well, I know what it's

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<v Speaker 1>meant for me. Um. I came up through the ranks, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, starting out as a twentysomething girl out of college. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was offered receptionist jobs and secretary jobs, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, secretary teacher mother. Um, you know those nurse

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<v Speaker 1>Those jobs were what women did, and I didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. It was difficult. Then when she started this,

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<v Speaker 1>it was impossible. Um. Now things are much different, things

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<v Speaker 1>are different, and in some ways that makes our thread

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<v Speaker 1>all the more incredible. The story of Gloria Steinham stretches

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<v Speaker 1>back into some unusual places, from the Playboy clubs to

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<v Speaker 1>the casting couches of early Hollywood, places you'd never expect

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<v Speaker 1>to give birth to a feminist icon. Think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>Studio executives green light the career of Clark Gable, a

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<v Speaker 1>chronic womanizer, and one of the historical fruits of that

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<v Speaker 1>decision is the woman who will lead a revolution that

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<v Speaker 1>could bring about the end of that corrupt, de humanizing system.

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<v Speaker 1>Call it irony, call it fate, or perhaps even better,

0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:39.760
<v Speaker 1>call it what Gloria Steinham does. This is the upside

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<v Speaker 1>of the downside. This is an outpouring of energy and

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<v Speaker 1>true democracy like I have never seen in my very

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<v Speaker 1>long life. That's Gloria stein at last year's Women's March

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<v Speaker 1>in Washington, d C. That march and the Me Too

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<v Speaker 1>movement are part of a longer fight for women's liberation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the same movement. I mean, it's a It's a

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<v Speaker 1>continuation of the consciousness that says, you know, now I

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<v Speaker 1>can speak my experience and be believed. It happened to

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<v Speaker 1>me too, me too. It happened to me too, And

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<v Speaker 1>it happened to me too. This is my story and

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<v Speaker 1>to those who would dare try and silence us. We

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<v Speaker 1>offer you two words times up. So where then does

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<v Speaker 1>our thread go from here? From Steinham, Well, that's up

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<v Speaker 1>to all of us. I've never seen in my life,

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<v Speaker 1>never ever have I seen this level of activism. So

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<v Speaker 1>will it be enough? We don't know, but um but

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<v Speaker 1>we just have to keep doing whatever we can. Every day.

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