WEBVTT - How Did the Avocado Conquer the World?

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<v Speaker 1>Guess what, Mango, what's that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, I know you like to turn to me

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<v Speaker 2>to keep up with like the coolest things going on

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<v Speaker 2>in the world, or like trends happening, So I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to let you in a little secret. Have you heard

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<v Speaker 2>about the coolest way to use an avocado right now?

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not really off on super hip avocado trends.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I saw a restaurant ridiculed online for serving this

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<v Speaker 1>deconstructed avocado toast which was just half an avocado on

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<v Speaker 1>one side of a play and then a piece of

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<v Speaker 1>toast on the other. And they didn't even do the

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<v Speaker 1>work of smashing them together. It was just like overpriced laziness.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know what trend are you talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually not a dish. So the coolest thing you

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<v Speaker 2>can do right now with an avocado is to propose

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<v Speaker 2>with one. And I'm not kidding about this. So the

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<v Speaker 2>not Cosmo and all these other places have declared that

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<v Speaker 2>the avocado proposal it's here, Mango, it's here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited, but I don't know what it is. Tell

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<v Speaker 1>me all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So, basically, people are slicing an avocado in half,

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<v Speaker 2>taking out the pit and then sticking a little ring

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<v Speaker 2>in so it stands up right. Actually, this is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of grossing me out, but I'm trying to go with it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so then the moment is right and you just

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<v Speaker 2>queue up cold play, You get down on one knee,

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<v Speaker 2>you take that avocado out of your back pocket. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know why they're suggesting to keep it in your

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<v Speaker 2>back pocket, and then you crack it open like a

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<v Speaker 2>ring box and as then puts it quote, if you

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<v Speaker 2>love the farmer's market, this might be your dream proposal.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that it's the official proposal of like farmers' markets.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've always looked for one of these. Well, today's

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<v Speaker 2>show is all about the creamy green fruit from Why

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<v Speaker 2>you Should Thank a Mailman for your guacamole obsession to win.

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<v Speaker 2>Avocado theft became so trendy, So we're about to get

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<v Speaker 2>knee high on avocado's let's dive in. Hey their podcast listeners,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Part Time Genius. I'm Will Pearson, and as

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<v Speaker 2>always I'm joined by my good friend Mangesh hot Ticketter

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<v Speaker 2>and on the other side of the soundproof glass, demonstrating

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<v Speaker 2>the absolute worst way to peel an avocado. I Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I don't think you're supposed to use a

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<v Speaker 1>vegetable peeler on Tristan.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, well, anyway, I'm gonna turn my head. But that's

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<v Speaker 2>our friend and producer Tristan McNeil. So I realized, you

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<v Speaker 2>know mego, this is a slightly grim way to start

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<v Speaker 2>the show. But I was reading about this recent wave

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<v Speaker 2>of avocado related injuries, or what they call avocado hand

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<v Speaker 2>and people are doing serious damage to their hands by

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<v Speaker 2>trying and of course failing, to cut into their avocados.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's pretty crazy. Like I hadn't heard about people

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<v Speaker 1>injuring themselves on avocados. But it does feel like the

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<v Speaker 1>same as when bagels became really popular in the nineties

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<v Speaker 1>and suddenly like every local news story was about people

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<v Speaker 1>cutting themselves with bagels and how to appropriately slice a

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<v Speaker 1>bag It doesn't seem bad difficult, but I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you don't get avocado's presliced. What's the solution.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's actually become a big enough problem that there's

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<v Speaker 2>this British plastic surgeon and he's been pushing for warning

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<v Speaker 2>labels to be added to avocados. In the UK really

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<v Speaker 2>and apparently, yeah, seriously, apparently he treats an average of

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<v Speaker 2>four patients a week, four patients a week for avaquada

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<v Speaker 2>based injuries. So I mean, it may seem weird to

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<v Speaker 2>put a sticker and that it may actually sound silly,

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<v Speaker 2>but you can't really blame him for wanting to do

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<v Speaker 2>something about this epidemic of avocado fails.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so weird. Like I mean, I feel like you

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<v Speaker 1>can cut an avocado with a butter knife. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>need something super sharp to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>While prepping for today's show, one of my biggest takeaways

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<v Speaker 1>was that most Americans have always been pretty clueless when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to these leathery fruits, and this confusion actually

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<v Speaker 1>goes all the way back to the early twentieth century.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when avocado production was first taking root in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we get into the state side history, I

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<v Speaker 1>do want to go back a little further in time

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<v Speaker 1>because humans have actually been cultivating avocado trees for thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of years now. It goes as far back as five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred BC, and this was mostly taking place in Central

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<v Speaker 1>and South America as well as Mexico, where the Aztecs

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<v Speaker 1>were calling the fruit a word that they used for testicle.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that was based on what like the fruit shape.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but also because avocado's typically grown pears, which I

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<v Speaker 1>guess further the resemblance.

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<v Speaker 2>But h I get it, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I go. Yeah, it's a great joke that kills at recess.

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<v Speaker 1>But they also used to be considered something of an afrodisiac.

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<v Speaker 1>But that might have just been Europeans reading too much

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<v Speaker 1>into the words origin. Like apparently King Louis the fourteenth

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<v Speaker 1>nicknamed avocado's the good pear in French, you know, pear

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<v Speaker 1>the fruit, not pair pai r. But he called it

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<v Speaker 1>that because he claimed avocado's got him in the mood

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<v Speaker 1>and boosted his desire to mate.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Louis definitely wasn't the last person to compare avocados

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<v Speaker 2>to the shape of a pair, because when avocados first

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<v Speaker 2>started to catch on in the US, people were actually

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<v Speaker 2>calling them alligator pears. Makes sense, I mean, obviously that

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<v Speaker 2>tough outer skin, it has that bumpy texture and green coloring.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he does kind of look like an alligator,

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<v Speaker 2>but he didn't really make for the most appetizing association,

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<v Speaker 2>as you can imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I guess like biting into an alligator

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<v Speaker 1>seems like a tough cell.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's exactly what the California Avocado Growers Exchange

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<v Speaker 2>found when they were trying to expand their business just

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<v Speaker 2>beyond that home state. And they claim that grim association

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<v Speaker 2>with you know, with reptiles was kind of ruining the

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<v Speaker 2>whole operation. And even worse, it was, you know, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>besmirching the good name of the Laurel tree family to

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<v Speaker 2>which these avocados belong. And this is serious because in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenty seven, the trade group released the statement and

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<v Speaker 2>here's what it says. That the avocado, an exalted member

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<v Speaker 2>of the Laurel family, should be called an alligator pair

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<v Speaker 2>is beyond all understanding.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that they thought this would be the thing

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<v Speaker 1>to change people's minds. Like, I know how we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>people on board. Let's appeal to everyone's love for Laurel trees.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's all it took. Well, I mean, it was

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<v Speaker 2>maybe kind of a strange play, but they did get

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<v Speaker 2>smarter about the rebranding. The growers slowly weaned the public

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<v Speaker 2>off of the alligator pear as a nickname, and they

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<v Speaker 2>first replaced it with a much more appetizing butter paar,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the somewhat redundant avocado pear before they finally

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<v Speaker 2>just got people to start calling them avocados. But even

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<v Speaker 2>once customers started calling them by the right name, avocados

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<v Speaker 2>still faced a pretty uphill battle.

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<v Speaker 1>So why is that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, for one thing, if you think about it, they're

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<v Speaker 2>unlike any other fruits that people were eating because they're

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<v Speaker 2>not sweet, they're not really good for cooking. They ripened

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<v Speaker 2>off the tree. I mean, people didn't really know what

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<v Speaker 2>to do with them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's funny to think that Mexican culture and cuisine

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<v Speaker 1>just took to it so quickly, but just one country north,

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<v Speaker 1>we were so perplexed by this fruit, like it took

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<v Speaker 1>so much rebranding and marketing for us to catch on.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the process took most of the twentieth century

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<v Speaker 1>to get us on board.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true, But it actually is kind of fun

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<v Speaker 2>to look back and see how avocados kind of gradually

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<v Speaker 2>took on the characteristics that we most associate with them today.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, the need to grow avocados only in the

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<v Speaker 2>mildest parts of the country, you know, where you'd find

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<v Speaker 2>the water and short supply. That really meant avocados often

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<v Speaker 2>cost more than other domestic fruits, and of course marketers

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<v Speaker 2>were aware of how expensive their product was becoming, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's really why they started pushing for avocados to be

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<v Speaker 2>paired with other upscale foods like grapefruit or lobster. And

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<v Speaker 2>in fact, in the late nineteen twenties, and I had

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<v Speaker 2>not seen this before doing our research for this week,

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<v Speaker 2>but the California Avocados Society started taking out ads in

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<v Speaker 2>Vogue and The New Yorker, and they were proclaiming the

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<v Speaker 2>avocados to be the quote aristocrat of salad fruits.

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<v Speaker 1>I like, the avocados need to come in top hats

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<v Speaker 1>and monocles just so likely. But you know, to me,

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<v Speaker 1>that's less advertizing than just calling them alligator pairs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but the fruits fancy status kind of stuck, and

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<v Speaker 2>by the nineteen seventies, avocados had developed this reputation as

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<v Speaker 2>really more of a luxury item. For example, in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy four, the price of a single avocado had soared

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<v Speaker 2>as high as a full dollar. Now keep in mind

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<v Speaker 2>that's the equivalent of almost five dollars in today's money.

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<v Speaker 1>That is crazy So what about avocado's other big claim,

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<v Speaker 1>like the idea that they're one of the world's healthiest superfoods.

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<v Speaker 1>When did that really come about?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it really took off in the nineteen eighties, and

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<v Speaker 2>as you might remember, this is when nutrition experts really

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<v Speaker 2>started to crack down on America's fat consumption. So low

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<v Speaker 2>fat food started appearing on store shelves, and every celebrity

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<v Speaker 2>you could think of was pushing some sort of patented

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<v Speaker 2>diet or crazy new piece of exercise equipment. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as people began looking for more and more ways to

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<v Speaker 2>reduce their fat intake, avocados became a pretty popular target.

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<v Speaker 1>But wait, aren't avocados full of like the good kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fat that kind of actually helps us reduce cholesterol? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>why would experts tell people not to eat them?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, at the time, nutritionists were worried that the American

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<v Speaker 2>public wouldn't be able to wrap their heads around that

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<v Speaker 2>distinction between the types of fats, you know, between the

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<v Speaker 2>good mono unsaturated fats and the bad saturated fat. So

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<v Speaker 2>instead they just told people to avoid fats all together.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why, strangely enough, it actually fell to the

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<v Speaker 2>avocado growers to educate the public about the fruit's true

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<v Speaker 2>nutritional value. So in the late eighties, the California Avocado Commission.

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<v Speaker 2>They worked closely with researchers and funded all sorts of

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<v Speaker 2>studies on the health benefits of their product. And then

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<v Speaker 2>the grower spread the good news with a TV ad

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<v Speaker 2>campaign and it starred Angie Dickinson, and the ads were

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<v Speaker 2>a huge hit, but they were also pretty scandalous for

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<v Speaker 2>the time. So here's what the ad was. It showed

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<v Speaker 2>Angie stretched out in these gold stilettos and a white

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<v Speaker 2>leotard and she was eating half an avocado with a spooch. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>And after she lays out how tasty and nutritious the

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<v Speaker 2>avocados are, she turns to the camera and asked, would

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<v Speaker 2>this body lie to you? I had forgotten where I

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<v Speaker 2>got that line from. I know I used that line

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, I didn't remember that Angie had created that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess the nutrition experts were wrong to

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<v Speaker 1>doubt the American public like, we can absolutely understand the

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<v Speaker 1>health benefits of avocados as long as they're explained to

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<v Speaker 1>us by beautiful movie star. So I do feel like

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<v Speaker 1>uh Kanye as I'm about to say this because Angie Dickinson,

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<v Speaker 1>you did a good job, and I'm gonna let you finish.

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<v Speaker 1>But mister Ripe Guy is the best spokesperson in the

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<v Speaker 1>avocado industry.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't say I'm familiar with his work. So who

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<v Speaker 2>is mister Ripe Guy?

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe you're asking me that. No. This goes

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<v Speaker 1>back to the avocados struggle. So after surviving the anti

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<v Speaker 1>fat movement of the eighties, sales were still suffering to

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<v Speaker 1>the public's lack of knowledge about the fruit. So one

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<v Speaker 1>prime example is that people weren't even sure when to

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<v Speaker 1>eat avocados. People kept trying to eat them when they

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<v Speaker 1>were like bright green, because that's when they looked the prettiest,

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<v Speaker 1>instead of waiting until the fruit to turn like a

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<v Speaker 1>murky brown color, and that's actually when it's most delicious

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<v Speaker 1>or the ripest to eat. But to combat the problem,

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<v Speaker 1>the Avocado Commission partnered with an ad agency and created

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<v Speaker 1>their very own mascot, mister Ripe Guy. And in true

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<v Speaker 1>eighties fashion, this California character was basically just an anthropomorphic

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<v Speaker 1>avocado with a pair of sunglasses on.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, you know what this reminds me of? And I

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<v Speaker 2>collected all of these from I can't remember whether it

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<v Speaker 2>was McDonald's or Hearty's or what it was, but you

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<v Speaker 2>remember the California.

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<v Speaker 1>Raisin definitely, So it definitely feels like a California raisin

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<v Speaker 1>rip off. But someone would show up in an avocada

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<v Speaker 1>suit at various events, and this was around the country.

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<v Speaker 1>They'd share tips as mister Ripe guy on how to

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<v Speaker 1>pick and prep avocados and just generally sing the fruits praises.

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<v Speaker 1>But the best part of the campaign was in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety five when the Commission launched a nationwide search to

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<v Speaker 1>find Miss Ripe, and women were encouraged to mail and

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<v Speaker 1>video cassettes of themselves explaining why they deserved this coveted honor,

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently the winner would receive a free trip to

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood and a walk on roll on Baywatch Nights.

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<v Speaker 2>I like cut didn't even occur to them that maybe

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<v Speaker 2>they should win a lifetime supply of avocados. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe they didn't think through this campaign fully.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean maybe they would have gotten more people

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<v Speaker 1>to enter, but in the end, least one woman was

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<v Speaker 1>interested in what was on offer. The lucky winner was

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<v Speaker 1>Robin nardone of Chicago who I'm sure you remember, and

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<v Speaker 1>he told reporters, going to be Miss Ripe is like

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<v Speaker 1>a dream come true. I will bear the title proudly.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really sweet. And of course everybody still talks about

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<v Speaker 2>that episode of Baywatch Nights that she was on, right, definitely. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm curious, so did these kinds of stunts pay off

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<v Speaker 2>for avocado growers.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's hard to say exactly how much of the

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<v Speaker 1>industry's growth is due to mister and missus Ripe guy,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's no doubt that the avocado consumption has gone

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<v Speaker 1>way way off since the nineties. For example, by nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety nine, the average American was eating about one point

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<v Speaker 1>five pounds of avocado per year, whereas in twenty sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>that number had actually grown to seven point one pounds

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<v Speaker 1>per year according to USDA. Yeah, and to put that

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<v Speaker 1>in perspective, the hass Avocado Board reported that four hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and eighty four million avocados were consumed in two thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>which sounds like a lot, right, But you fast forward

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty twelve and the total had risen to nearly

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<v Speaker 1>one point five billion, which is basically a three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent increase over just a decade.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that is pretty amazing. It's also pretty amazing

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<v Speaker 2>that it's taken us this long to finally mention the

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<v Speaker 2>H word. So I do want to shift gears and

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<v Speaker 2>talk about what is undoubtedly the biggest name in the business,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the Hass avocado. Now, I know we need

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<v Speaker 2>to explore how the variety came to dominate the market,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as what that monopoly might be causing us

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<v Speaker 2>to miss out.

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<v Speaker 1>On, which sounds good. But before we get into it,

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<v Speaker 1>let's take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 2>You're listening to Part Time Genius and we're talking all

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<v Speaker 2>things avocado, Okay, mango. So we've been charting the course

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<v Speaker 2>of how misunderstood fruit like the avocado wound up as

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<v Speaker 2>one of the world's trendiout superfoods. And so now we're

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<v Speaker 2>getting to what's probably my favorite part of the story,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the contribution of a Californian mailman named Rudolph Hass.

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<v Speaker 2>And while this story isn't widely known, I'm willing to

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<v Speaker 2>bet that the name sounds familiar to most of our listeners,

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<v Speaker 2>and for very good reason, because Hass avocados are hands

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<v Speaker 2>down the most popular avocado, not only in the country,

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<v Speaker 2>but in the entire world. In fact, there's a good

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<v Speaker 2>chance that most people have only ever eaten the hass avocado.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's because ninety five percent of the avocados sold

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<v Speaker 2>in the US and about eighty percent worldwide are hass avocados.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm honestly not sure I could even name a different

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<v Speaker 1>kind of avocado.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, here's what's crazy, though, is that there's actually more

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<v Speaker 2>than nine hundred varieties of avocados. You know, some of

0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:39.320
<v Speaker 2>these things have very different shapes and textures and flavors

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<v Speaker 2>than that single type that we're used to. But thankfully,

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<v Speaker 2>the one type we do have is a pretty good one.

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<v Speaker 2>Hass avocados have a strong flavor, they're packed with healthy oil,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's not like we're getting the short end of

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<v Speaker 2>the stick on this. And there's a reason Hass is

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<v Speaker 2>the most popular name in avocados, even if that popularity

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<v Speaker 2>does result in a real lack of diversity on the

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<v Speaker 2>store shelves.

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<v Speaker 1>So speaking of the name, this is sort of embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 1>But I used to think that Hass was just the

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<v Speaker 1>name of the family farm or like the company that

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<v Speaker 1>grew them, you know, like Dole or Chikita. But I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know it was actually a fruit variety.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I don't think most people do know that.

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<v Speaker 2>But so to get back to that, let's get back

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<v Speaker 2>to Rudolph Hass and he was a postman by trade

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen twenties and then got into horticulture after

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<v Speaker 2>he saw this magazine ad that showed an avocado tree

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<v Speaker 2>with dollar bills growing out of it. I mean, that

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<v Speaker 2>sounds pretty convincing. So he was hoping to make some

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<v Speaker 2>money on the side and started buying up seeds and

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<v Speaker 2>raising these resulting trees at his family home. And this

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<v Speaker 2>was just outside of La so he was grassed from

0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.640
<v Speaker 2>the larger plants to multiply that crop. But there was

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<v Speaker 2>one seedling in particulars He described it a stubborn baby

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<v Speaker 2>tree grown from a Guatemalan seed of unknown parentage, or

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<v Speaker 2>that's how one local newspaper put it. That it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>accept a graph no matter how hard has tried. He

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<v Speaker 2>considered cutting it down, but instead he just said to

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<v Speaker 2>decide and let it grow unattended as a somewhat of

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<v Speaker 2>an experiment. And this turned out to be the best

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<v Speaker 2>decision of Hass's life, because when the tree finally bore fruit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's avocado's tasted better than any other of the varieties available.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, first of all, i just love that

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<v Speaker 1>the world's most popular avocado is a result of like

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<v Speaker 1>dumb luck. But also I'm really curious about these other

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<v Speaker 1>varieties that predate the Hass, Like what were the go

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<v Speaker 1>to avocados at the time, and what made the Hass

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<v Speaker 1>one so much better.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, at the time, the prevailing avocado was called the fuerte,

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<v Speaker 2>which means strong and Spanish. And admittedly, the fuerte looks

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<v Speaker 2>more appetizing than the hass. You know, you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>that bumpy, thick, black skin of the hass. The fuerte

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<v Speaker 2>avocado has more of a smooth and kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>thin skin, and it actually turns a green color as

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<v Speaker 2>it ripens. But you know, when you think about taste,

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<v Speaker 2>Hass avocados are way richer and nuttier and creamier than

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<v Speaker 2>the fuertes, And so this gave them a big advantage

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<v Speaker 2>in Rudolph Hass's mind. But of course taste wasn't the

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<v Speaker 2>only thing they had going for them. Another big advantage

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<v Speaker 2>is that the Hass avocado trees were easier to grow

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<v Speaker 2>than the fuerte trees. They also have longer harvest seasons

0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:13.800
<v Speaker 2>than other avocados, and they can produce larger quantities of

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<v Speaker 2>fruit after just a couple of years. But there's one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that's maybe even more important than all of those things,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's that these avocados are easy to handle and

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<v Speaker 2>even ship long distances. And that's thanks to that alligator

0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.439
<v Speaker 2>thick skin that we were talking about before. So when

0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:33.280
<v Speaker 2>Rudolph Hass realized that he'd stumbled upon something special, he

0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:36.280
<v Speaker 2>patented his tree in nineteen thirty five and started working

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<v Speaker 2>with a local grower to promote this new variety.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's funny when you're talking about the packability

0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:44.479
<v Speaker 1>of these avocados. You think about other fruit like the

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<v Speaker 1>red Delicious or the cavendish bananas, and they are always

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<v Speaker 1>sacrificing flavor for that durability, and it's amazing to think

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<v Speaker 1>that the avocado doesn't do that. But yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I realized you could actually patten a tree.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I didn't neither, and apparently neither did anybody else,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, sadly the patent was all but ignored

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<v Speaker 2>by its competitors. In fact, this is how Rudolph's granddaughter

0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:09.720
<v Speaker 2>Cindy Miller, explained the ordeal in an article about her

0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:13.280
<v Speaker 2>family's story. She writes, since it was the first patent

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<v Speaker 2>ever issued on a tree, it got no respect. Growers

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<v Speaker 2>would buy one from mister Brokaw, who had the exclusive

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<v Speaker 2>right to produce the nursery trees. They would then regraph

0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:26.160
<v Speaker 2>their whole grove with the budwood from that one tree.

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<v Speaker 2>For that reason, Rudolph has made only five thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>in royalties on his first patent.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty insane, like five grand for coming up with

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<v Speaker 1>the world's tastiest avocado.

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<v Speaker 2>It's crazy. Yeah, it's a weird story, but there is

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<v Speaker 2>a silver lining for that name. So the avocados that

0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:45.399
<v Speaker 2>bear his name have become ubiquitous with the fruit, and

0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:47.959
<v Speaker 2>today millions of his trees can now be found all

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<v Speaker 2>over the globe. And maybe the craziest part about this

0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:53.720
<v Speaker 2>whole thing is that all of those trees are genetically

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<v Speaker 2>descended from that single mother tree that has planted on

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<v Speaker 2>his property, and that was nearly one hundred years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, it's estimated that about eighty percent of all

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<v Speaker 2>US avocados are descendants of the hass avocado mother tree.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's just so weird to think about. And

0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.000
<v Speaker 2>the original tree actually lasted quite a while too. It

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<v Speaker 2>was on that Hass property until it finally lost the

0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.280
<v Speaker 2>battle with something called root rot disease, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>back in two thousand and two. But according to Alice Obscura,

0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.840
<v Speaker 2>you can still make a pilgrimage to see the preserved

0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:26.720
<v Speaker 2>woods from the tree at the Brokaw Nursery and Ventura

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<v Speaker 2>and there's even a plaque there to market it's original

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<v Speaker 2>location in Lejabra.

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<v Speaker 1>Which I think that takes care of my summer vacation

0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:38.920
<v Speaker 1>plans for the good good. But you know, Hass having

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<v Speaker 1>his patent undermine like that kind of reminds me of

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<v Speaker 1>something weird I noticed while researching, and that's the sheer

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<v Speaker 1>volume of crime that the fruit detracts. Like I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>think this before, but you know, you mentioned earlier that

0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:53.600
<v Speaker 1>avocados were worth equivalent of what like five dollars each

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen seventies, and at the time, that high

0:19:57.080 --> 0:19:59.879
<v Speaker 1>value sparked a wave of avocado that's throughout the org

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<v Speaker 1>of southern California. And this was hardly an isolated incident.

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<v Speaker 1>So just last year, three men were arrested in California

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<v Speaker 1>for selling over three hundred thousand dollars worth of stolen

0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:14.359
<v Speaker 1>hass avocados. I mean, that's insane. And when avocado prices

0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:17.399
<v Speaker 1>spiked in New Zealand back in twenty sixteen, farmers were

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<v Speaker 1>hit with over forty large scale thefts within a six

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<v Speaker 1>month period. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I had no idea that avocado crime was

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<v Speaker 2>so prevalent, But if you think about it, me, it

0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:30.240
<v Speaker 2>does make sense. I remember back in our episode on cheese,

0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:33.000
<v Speaker 2>we talked about how cheese is the most shoplifted item

0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:36.280
<v Speaker 2>in the world, and that's because it's relatively a small item,

0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:38.920
<v Speaker 2>it's always in demand, and it does tend to cost

0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:41.119
<v Speaker 2>more than other food. So it feels like we've got

0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:44.040
<v Speaker 2>the same thing going here with the avocados exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And we already mentioned how avocados have long been viewed

0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:49.280
<v Speaker 1>as a luxury food due to their price, so in

0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:52.080
<v Speaker 1>a way, all the crime surrounding them is to be expected.

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<v Speaker 1>But one thing nobody expected was the way that avocado

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<v Speaker 1>farmers in Mexico have been fighting back against their own

0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:01.800
<v Speaker 1>local form of avocado crimes. Because there's actually one town

0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:05.679
<v Speaker 1>there that has its own paramilitary avocado Protection Force.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, so where is this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's in a town called Tansataro and it's in the

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<v Speaker 1>micho acm region of Mexico. It's basically avocado country. The

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<v Speaker 1>township's over a million dollars worth of fruit every single day.

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<v Speaker 1>But back in two thousand and six, drug cartels, who

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<v Speaker 1>are feeling the pinch of a law enforcement crackdown, started

0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:29.840
<v Speaker 1>turning their attention to Tansataro's avocado producers. So of course

0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:33.000
<v Speaker 1>things get insane, right like the growers quickly become the

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<v Speaker 1>target of threats. They're kidnappings, even some murders. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a talk of the cartel season control of the orchards entirely,

0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:43.399
<v Speaker 1>and that's when the avocado producers decided to ban together

0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:46.520
<v Speaker 1>and fight back. They created their own local protection force,

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<v Speaker 1>which was half funded by the government, and today they

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<v Speaker 1>wear a body armor, they carry these high powered weapons

0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:55.080
<v Speaker 1>to ward off the cartels and also it gives the

0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:58.199
<v Speaker 1>citizens a sense of safety. I mean, this sounds scary

0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:00.760
<v Speaker 1>to me and kind of extreme, but actually it's worked.

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<v Speaker 1>So avocado crimes are way down in Tansatura, which has

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<v Speaker 1>allowed the town to once again focus on what it

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<v Speaker 1>does best, which is avocados, And in twenty thirteen, we

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<v Speaker 1>saw this when a group of four hundred and fifty

0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:15.080
<v Speaker 1>students in the town set a record for the world's

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<v Speaker 1>largest serving of guacamole, a weighed and astounding six thousand pounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, I mean, I guess it makes sense that

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<v Speaker 2>they had those guards on hand, because if you think

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<v Speaker 2>about that much guacamole is definitely gonna attract at least

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<v Speaker 2>a few thieves, I would imagine. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But now that we've tackled the CDI world of avocado crimes,

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<v Speaker 1>there's at least one part of avocado history that I

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<v Speaker 1>want to get to. But first, let's take another quick break.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, mango, So I told you my favorite story. Now

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<v Speaker 2>it's your turn. What's your favorite story from the avocado history.

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<v Speaker 1>So at the top of the show, we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>the recent and accidents where people have stabbed themselves while

0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:05.880
<v Speaker 1>prepping avocados, and while there's definitely some user error at

0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:08.400
<v Speaker 1>play there, the real problem is that the avocado has

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<v Speaker 1>this enormous pit, and while most fruits contained seeds small

0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:15.560
<v Speaker 1>enough to be swallowed or excreted by humans and other animals,

0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:18.400
<v Speaker 1>avocado pits can be as big as golf balls, which

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<v Speaker 1>means that swallowing them is off the table for most

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<v Speaker 1>of us.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always actually wondered about that because from an evolutionary perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't seem like the most effective way for this

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<v Speaker 2>plant to spread its seeds around.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it isn't anymore, but it used to be incredibly effective.

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<v Speaker 1>So the part of avocado history that I love the

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<v Speaker 1>most is the part that explains why the pit is

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<v Speaker 1>so huge, and for that we actually need to travel

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<v Speaker 1>all the way back to the dawn of the Cenozoic Era,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the period after the extinction of dinosaurs when

0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:49.240
<v Speaker 1>mammals first started to take the stage. But the mammals

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<v Speaker 1>of the Senozoic era weren't just any mammals.

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<v Speaker 2>They were actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Enormous species known as megafauna, and they've roamed the Western

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<v Speaker 1>hemisphere in droves.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So you're talking about things like, you know,

0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:03.960
<v Speaker 2>sabertoothed tigers and mammoths and those rhinos that were honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I think they were like the size of house.

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<v Speaker 1>Boats, right, Yeah, that's right. So another dominant megafauna species

0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:13.119
<v Speaker 1>was the lestoedon, which were these fifteen foot tall, two

0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:16.639
<v Speaker 1>ton ground slots, and they wandered the grassy plains of

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<v Speaker 1>the Americas, and just like the slots of today, lustedons

0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:22.919
<v Speaker 1>mostly eight leaves and grass to survive, but occasionally they

0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:26.280
<v Speaker 1>would chow on on more satisfying trees, like the tasty avocado.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh so the avocado. It's also a product of the

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<v Speaker 2>cinazoic era.

0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:32.800
<v Speaker 1>It is, And actually that's really when the avocado plant

0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:36.160
<v Speaker 1>came to its prime. So these giant slots would swallow

0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:40.360
<v Speaker 1>whole avocados. And because these creatures were so massive, their

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<v Speaker 1>digestive systems were able to process the big seeds without

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<v Speaker 1>a problem. So they'd kind of feast and then travel

0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:48.480
<v Speaker 1>around with the seeds and their stomachs and then they'd

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<v Speaker 1>PLoP them out in some far away place and new

0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:54.640
<v Speaker 1>trees could thrive without competition. It was basically an evolutionary

0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:57.399
<v Speaker 1>win win for everybody. And that's probably why we still

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<v Speaker 1>have these large pitted avocados today.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, are there still mammals that can eat the avocado

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<v Speaker 2>pits like that? I mean, you know, megafauna are one thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but I feel like most slows would choke if they

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<v Speaker 2>tried to eat a whole avocado at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right. I mean, climate change kind of wiped

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<v Speaker 1>out most of the megafauna in the western hemisphere. This

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:18.760
<v Speaker 1>was about thirteen thousand years ago, so according to researchers,

0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:21.600
<v Speaker 1>North America lost about seventy percent of its megafauna at

0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:24.600
<v Speaker 1>the time, and South America lost eighty percent. So the

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<v Speaker 1>vast majority of these large creatures that helped these avocado

0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:30.439
<v Speaker 1>trees flourish in the first place, we're no longer around

0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:31.720
<v Speaker 1>to feed on them.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't get it. I mean, why would wild

0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:37.640
<v Speaker 2>avocados still produce such large pits if it's not beneficial

0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:38.000
<v Speaker 2>for them.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's a good question. And I was actually flipping

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<v Speaker 1>through this book by Connie Barlow called The Ghosts of Evolution,

0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:47.840
<v Speaker 1>and she says that avocado's giant seeds are what we

0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:51.600
<v Speaker 1>call an evolutionary anachronism. So none of today's slots could

0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:53.960
<v Speaker 1>possibly digest to seed that large, but the big pits

0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:58.479
<v Speaker 1>persist anyway, And as Barlow puts it, quote after thirteen

0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:01.160
<v Speaker 1>thousand years, the avocado is clue that the great mammals

0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:03.880
<v Speaker 1>are gone, and the truth is thanks to us. That's

0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:07.600
<v Speaker 1>completely fine, right, Like the avocado doesn't need to change

0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:10.520
<v Speaker 1>because it's got new champions. We've learned to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>the big seeds and spread them out in ways that

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<v Speaker 1>don't involve our digestive tracks.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess that makes sense. But what about those

0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:19.840
<v Speaker 2>thirteen thousand years between the death of the megafauna and

0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:23.600
<v Speaker 2>human cultivation of these avocados. It feels like in all

0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:27.320
<v Speaker 2>those intervening years, the big seeds they still somehow managed

0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:30.200
<v Speaker 2>to get spread around even without those giant mammals.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, one theory is that squirrels and other rodents

0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:36.399
<v Speaker 1>could have found avocados rotting on eeden on the surface

0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:38.959
<v Speaker 1>and then buried the pits for safe keeping, and then

0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:41.080
<v Speaker 1>they'd return later and find that there were these massive

0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:43.440
<v Speaker 1>trees that had sprowed in the place. But I also

0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:46.520
<v Speaker 1>read an article in Smithsonian, and it suggested that jaguars

0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:48.760
<v Speaker 1>might have been able to swallow and digest the seeds too. So,

0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 1>as they put it, quote, the identities of the avocados

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:56.760
<v Speaker 1>dispersers shifted every few million years. But from an avocado's perspective,

0:26:57.040 --> 0:26:59.320
<v Speaker 1>a big mouth is a big mouth, and a friendly

0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:00.680
<v Speaker 1>gut is a friendly gut.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like those are words to live by. Mango,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least for an avocado. Really though, it's wild

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:09.240
<v Speaker 2>to think that we have these giant sloughs to thank

0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:12.080
<v Speaker 2>for all of our avocado toasts and orders of chips

0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:15.320
<v Speaker 2>in guacamole. And you know, while they aren't swallowing avocado's

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:18.280
<v Speaker 2>whole like our megafauna buddies once, did you know humans

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:21.359
<v Speaker 2>have planted them all over the world. So all in all,

0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 2>I feel like we've been pretty good stewards for the avocado.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, unlikely, it is, right, because not only is the

0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:29.840
<v Speaker 1>avocado pit way too large for humans to swallow or digest,

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:33.280
<v Speaker 1>it can also be toxic to us. So animals like rhinos,

0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:36.479
<v Speaker 1>which are descended from those house boat sized ancestors you mentioned,

0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:39.439
<v Speaker 1>they can actually stomach the toxic pits just fine, but

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:43.399
<v Speaker 1>humans and most other mammals lack enzyme systems and livers

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:45.760
<v Speaker 1>strong enough to ward off that kind of toxicity. And

0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:49.160
<v Speaker 1>in fact, there's this old South American recipe for rat

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:52.280
<v Speaker 1>poison that I just found that instructs the users to

0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 1>mix some avocado pits with traditional rodent bit like cheese

0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:58.640
<v Speaker 1>or lard, and that'll take care of the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>I do like that a little tox pit isn't going

0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:03.960
<v Speaker 2>to stop us from eating nearly two billion pounds of

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 2>avocados each year. Speaking which, how's I don't want to look,

0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:09.439
<v Speaker 2>but how's Tristan doing over there? We're going to need

0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:10.679
<v Speaker 2>to take another trip to the er.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but those avocados really aren't peeled, So why don't

0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:16.280
<v Speaker 1>we do a quick fact off and then we can

0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:25.520
<v Speaker 1>help the poor guy out. So most people have heard

0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:27.399
<v Speaker 1>that a good way to ripe an avocado's fast is

0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:29.960
<v Speaker 1>to put them in a paper bag with like bananas

0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:33.280
<v Speaker 1>or ripe apple. But if you're looking for more avocado

0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:36.879
<v Speaker 1>gear and accessories, you can always purchase an avocado sock.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ae hundred percent world bag that supposedly ripens the

0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 1>fruit within twenty four hours, and according to the website,

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.760
<v Speaker 1>it ripens it more gently than a paper bag. Also,

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:49.720
<v Speaker 1>it works as a convenient carrying sock for when you

0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:51.840
<v Speaker 1>want to sling an avocado over your shoulder and just

0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 1>transport the fruit and style.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me know how it goes if you order

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 2>one of those. I think I'll wait on your experience first.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So here's a trend I definitely won't be

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:03.080
<v Speaker 2>indulging in, and that's the avo late. Now, this is

0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 2>an Australian specialty where you serve a latte in the

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 2>hollowed out husk of half an avocado. And while it

0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:11.920
<v Speaker 2>started out as an Instagram joke at the Truman Cafe

0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:15.000
<v Speaker 2>in Melbourne when an employee mixed coffee and milk and

0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 2>an avocado shell, apparently customers have started pouring in for

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 2>the drink and other cafes have started serving it in response.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you love avocados but hate the pits, Marx

0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:27.640
<v Speaker 1>and Spencer is apparently selling a cocktail avocado, so this

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 1>is according to the Telegraph. But the fruit looks less

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:32.720
<v Speaker 1>like a traditional alligator pair, you know, the kind we

0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 1>all know and love, and more like a zucchini. But

0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:37.200
<v Speaker 1>the big advantage, of course, is that they don't have

0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:39.800
<v Speaker 1>a seed in them. And while the fruit is grown

0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:42.520
<v Speaker 1>in Spain, they're apparently really hard to find. Marx and

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Spencer only carries them in December for some reason. But

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:46.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe we'll be getting them stateside soon.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. So we were talking about avocados being a

0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 2>member of the prestigious Laurel family previously, and I was

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:54.720
<v Speaker 2>a little curious what that meant, so I looked it

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 2>up and in addition to the laurel reads that you

0:29:57.240 --> 0:30:00.040
<v Speaker 2>might get for competing in the ancient Greek games. The

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.080
<v Speaker 2>avocado has some pretty well known relatives in the laurel family.

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:07.320
<v Speaker 2>The fruit is cousins with bay leaves, sassafras, and cinnamon.

0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's a good family to be a part of.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the strangest facts about avocados is that

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:15.600
<v Speaker 1>they never ripened on the tree, so basically farmers can

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 1>plan when they want to pluck them and just store

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:20.040
<v Speaker 1>them up there afresh for six or seven months.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, here's an avocado variation that no one needs,

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:28.480
<v Speaker 2>and it's avocado light. It's a diet avocado that apparently

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<v Speaker 2>contains thirty percent less fat than your average avocado. Apparently

0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 2>it's a milder taste, but it's a juicier avocado. I've

0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:39.200
<v Speaker 2>got to say, I am avocado with fewer calories that taste

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:42.600
<v Speaker 2>more watery. Just it doesn't appeal to me. But if

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 2>they can make an avocado zero, maybe I'll consider it. Well.

0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I think between a diet avocado and proposing with avocados,

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 1>you truly have your pulse on the worst things to

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<v Speaker 1>do with an avocado. So I'm gonna have to give

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<v Speaker 1>the trophy to you well. Thank you very much, and

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0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:01.680
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