Speaker 1: You suddenly wake up to the loud growling of a
Speaker 1: tactical vehicle. Must have left your window open. A few
Speaker 1: streets away, you can hear the troopers doing their morning patrols.
Speaker 1: This is closing in on week four of the all
Speaker 1: day curfew. Cops and state troopers have put checkpoints at
Speaker 1: every bridge and on all major streets for about every
Speaker 1: ten blocks. Your friends and the city's local liberal majority
Speaker 1: are now calling this what it is. Your city is
Speaker 1: functioning as a full on police date. National establishment media
Speaker 1: has been more hesitants to use that term, but your
Speaker 1: Fox watching conservative family from out of state has been
Speaker 1: texting you about how good it is that someone is
Speaker 1: finally establishing law and order and taking back the town.
Speaker 1: After months of senseless looting and destructive riots, You've been
Speaker 1: mostly stuck in your downtown apartment. You quit your job
Speaker 1: when the recent amount of protests started up, which now
Speaker 1: means you don't qualify for the working hours exemption of
Speaker 1: the curfew. You've got enough money saved up for another month,
Speaker 1: but you're looking to get a grocery delivery job, which
Speaker 1: would have the added benefit of allowing you to go
Speaker 1: outside during the day. Luckily, you've been able to sneak
Speaker 1: out at night to do rooftopping and surveil the police's
Speaker 1: checkpoints and patrol routes in your neighborhood. You've noticed that
Speaker 1: the cops rarely look up. You've been feeding your intail
Speaker 1: into a surveillance database shared on a telegram channel ran
Speaker 1: by some various activists. After lying in bed gathering your
Speaker 1: thoughts for a few minutes, you finally roll out and
Speaker 1: pick out your clothes, dark loose pants, a plane shirt, beanie,
Speaker 1: and a high vis jacket. Ordinarily, you'd break into your
Speaker 1: red bull stache from morning caffeine, but you've already got
Speaker 1: plenty of energy. Today it's your boyfriend's birthday, and for
Speaker 1: the past week you've been planning to surprise him. You
Speaker 1: think there's finally enough information into surveillance database US to
Speaker 1: plan a trip across town with little to no law
Speaker 1: enforcement interaction. Between the in person reconnaissance and hacking into
Speaker 1: the city's traffic cams, which was surprisingly easy, you've been
Speaker 1: able to figure out a route using city buses and
Speaker 1: on foot that should be able to avoid checkpoints and
Speaker 1: the regular patrol routes from what you've seen online. Bus
Speaker 1: drivers won't ask for your work authorization card, and you're
Speaker 1: hoping the high his jacket will make it look like
Speaker 1: you belong. Lastly, before you leave, you grab your small
Speaker 1: yellow messenger bag and jam in a water bottle plus
Speaker 1: a ten of a half a dozen cupcakes. Deep breaths, slowly,
Speaker 1: twist the handle of your door, and stare down in
Speaker 1: your apartment hallway. You're on your way. You keep telling yourself,
Speaker 1: just act like you belong. After taking the stairs down
Speaker 1: to ground level, you make your way street side. This
Speaker 1: part you feel more confident about. You've been able to
Speaker 1: study the patrol patterns around your media area more carefully.
Speaker 1: The bust you're going to is just four blocks away.
Speaker 1: You can zig zig through two streets and to avoid
Speaker 1: the main drags. As you walk through the sidewalks, you
Speaker 1: keep your head down, but your eyes are darting side
Speaker 1: to side to get a lay of the land. Don't
Speaker 1: walk too fast or too slow. Match the people around you. Obviously,
Speaker 1: not many people are out right now, but there are
Speaker 1: enough to mirror their movement and pace. It feels like
Speaker 1: it took forever, but you get to the bus stop
Speaker 1: without incident or seeing a single cop waiting at bus
Speaker 1: stops always feels like an eternity, but today it's worse.
Speaker 1: Within a few minutes, the blue metro bus does pull up.
Speaker 1: The bus driver gestures you want the electronic ticketing system
Speaker 1: isn't turned on. You peek up to the driver. The
Speaker 1: look in her eyes is telling you just a head
Speaker 1: on back. At least you know she's probably on your side.
Speaker 1: You picked this bus not because it's the most direct
Speaker 1: route to your boyfriend's place. It's not, but because he
Speaker 1: gets you close enough while avoiding the checkpoints you and
Speaker 1: your internet buddy have mapped out. It's a slower, more
Speaker 1: jagged route, but at least you get to relax for
Speaker 1: a while and enjoy the ride. And hey, you can
Speaker 1: get an in person look at the rest of the
Speaker 1: city under the curfew and police occupation. The ride is
Speaker 1: now closing in on a little over half an hour,
Speaker 1: about ten more minutes until you get off. Your heart's racing,
Speaker 1: you might actually do this. In your flash of nervous excitement,
Speaker 1: you look up ahead on the road and your face drops.
Speaker 1: About half a mile up ahead, you spot a checkpoint.
Speaker 1: Fuck no, this, this is wrong. This wasn't on the map.
Speaker 1: The checkpoint on this street was supposed to be further
Speaker 1: up the road. After you get off, your mind flashes
Speaker 1: through different possibilities. Did the cops change the checkpoint this morning? Wait?
Speaker 1: Did the police find the database map on telegram and
Speaker 1: are getting a false info? You stop yourself from thinking
Speaker 1: because you realize you need to act now and think later.
Speaker 1: You jump out of your seat and sprint up the
Speaker 1: bus towards the driver. You blurt out, I need to
Speaker 1: get off this right now. Please. The driver looks ahead,
Speaker 1: looks at you, and tilts her head down and pulls
Speaker 1: over quick. That's all she says to you. You dart
Speaker 1: out of the bus and into the half residential, half
Speaker 1: retail labyrinth, and as you're running, you hear sirens. Fuck
Speaker 1: they saw you. Your head swivels around to catch a glance.
Speaker 1: One car from the checkpoint is headed your way. You
Speaker 1: hope the bus driver doesn't get in trouble. But right
Speaker 1: now that's not your problem, you think. First thing you
Speaker 1: need to do is prevent the vehicle from pursuing you.
Speaker 1: So off the big streets. You take a second to
Speaker 1: tighten the messenger bag around your body. And here we
Speaker 1: go to You're right. You see a walled courtyard for
Speaker 1: a small two story apartment. Estimate The wall is eight
Speaker 1: feet tall, doable. You turn out the street and run
Speaker 1: towards the wall, slowly gaining speed, jump up and planch
Speaker 1: your from the side. Then your arms reach up and
Speaker 1: grab the top. It's a bit of a struggle to
Speaker 1: pull yourself up. You've got some stuff weighing you down
Speaker 1: and you're a bit out of proctics, but you get up.
Speaker 1: You hop down onto the other side and keep going
Speaker 1: for now. You battle through some dense bushes and vault
Speaker 1: a few small railings as you traverse the side streets.
Speaker 1: Soon enough you're far enough away from the car, with
Speaker 1: plenty of obstacles in between you and it that you
Speaker 1: feel like you can catch a quick breather. Now you
Speaker 1: have a choice hide it out here for a bit,
Speaker 1: or figure out a way to your boyfriends. You still
Speaker 1: got a decent sense of where you are. The destination
Speaker 1: should be only about ten blocks away now in a
Speaker 1: diagonal direction, you'll get plenty of time to rest your
Speaker 1: boyfriend's place, so you figure you should continue on. As
Speaker 1: you're about to head on your way to armored state
Speaker 1: troopers turned the corner on foot, you remember you're still
Speaker 1: pretty close to the checkpoint. One look at you with
Speaker 1: your hands on your knees. As you pant. The cops
Speaker 1: know you're out of place. Stop, yells the cop. You're
Speaker 1: being detained. Fuck, time to book it. Gonna have to
Speaker 1: think as you run. Goods is is that they're in armor?
Speaker 1: Bad news is is that you're tired and your outfit
Speaker 1: is blown. You can change clothes once you get to
Speaker 1: your boyfriends, So you decide the best course of action
Speaker 1: now is to make it hard for two people in
Speaker 1: armor to follow you. Time to put some obstacles between
Speaker 1: you and them. You're already mostly out of the retail area,
Speaker 1: which means it's time to hop some backyard fences Ferrerius
Speaker 1: Bueller's day off Shit. You make a sharp left turn
Speaker 1: behind the car and into someone's yard and up and
Speaker 1: over their fence. One hand grabs on top, one hand
Speaker 1: goes to the far side, and you flip your body over.
Speaker 1: Next few fences are shorter, regular speed vaults will do.
Speaker 1: The sound of the clinky tactle boots chasing you gets
Speaker 1: quieter as you traverse through the yards and zig zigging
Speaker 1: around blocks. Before you know it, you're on the back
Speaker 1: street of your partner's place. Only a few more steps
Speaker 1: and you can see their backyard in the distance. You
Speaker 1: quick in your head and look around. From what you
Speaker 1: can see, you've lost the State troopers. You scurry through
Speaker 1: four more yards before you reach your target. You let
Speaker 1: it a sigh of relief. You jogged past the side
Speaker 1: towards the front. You probably should use the front door
Speaker 1: before you knock. You take a look inside your messenger bag.
Speaker 1: You unclipped the latch, and inside lies a smushed pile
Speaker 1: of cupcake crumbs with pink frosting coating the insides of
Speaker 1: your bag. Well, at least I made it in one piece,
Speaker 1: you say out loud. After an exhausting trek, you finally
Speaker 1: knock on the door. It could happen here. Podcast Robert Evans.
Speaker 1: Sophie is not here today, so I get to open
Speaker 1: the episode with a tonal grunting um because she was
Speaker 1: unable to stop me. Welcome to the podcast that this
Speaker 1: is talking about things falling apart? How to you know
Speaker 1: make it not? Maybe? Uh? My guest today, well, my
Speaker 1: my co host today first is Garrison Davis. Garrison, how
Speaker 1: are you doing today? I'm doing good. Good. We have
Speaker 1: a little bit of A fun update, This actually happened
Speaker 1: last week, but this will be the first eisode we're
Speaker 1: recording since it happened. UM. Last week we put up
Speaker 1: some links to ago fund me in a couple of
Speaker 1: different episodes of Bastards and of it could happen here
Speaker 1: to try to help a woman named Ruba who lives
Speaker 1: in Portland, UM and is a community activists save her house. UM.
Speaker 1: When we started the fundraiser, she'd raised about twenty eight
Speaker 1: grand to to you know, get basically keep her home. UM,
Speaker 1: and it's up to the fifty grand she needed. Y'all
Speaker 1: did that in about three days. UM. So you've you've
Speaker 1: you've kept a woman in her home UM and allowed
Speaker 1: her and her family to stay where they are. And
Speaker 1: I'm just extremely grateful to everybody who donated, who shared, UM,
Speaker 1: it's just awesome. UM. You know this comes after earlier
Speaker 1: in this year you all funded the Portland Diaper Bank. UM.
Speaker 1: I just continue to be very impressed with with how
Speaker 1: how much people who listen to these shows are willing
Speaker 1: to throw down to help people out. So thank you all, UH,
Speaker 1: and now I'm going to hand it off to Garrison. Garrison,
Speaker 1: what are we? What are we what are we? What
Speaker 1: are we? What are we? What are we talking about? Today?
Speaker 1: So today we're gonna be talking about and discussing two
Speaker 1: of kind of my favorite practical skill sets. They been
Speaker 1: training for I don't know seven eight, I think almost
Speaker 1: eight years now. UM, and it's what, Yeah, one of
Speaker 1: one of my favorite interests. It's useful very practically. It's
Speaker 1: also useful for fun. We're talking about parkour, which people
Speaker 1: may have heard me discussed before, but also just kind
Speaker 1: of like stealth in general, UM, and how to become
Speaker 1: mindful of your presence among other people. UM. As a big,
Speaker 1: clumsy guy who's worked extensively with you in aggressive situations,
Speaker 1: I can confirm that your parkour is very very effective
Speaker 1: because you are a fast, little set of a bit
Speaker 1: very good at getting away from the cops and getting
Speaker 1: to where you need to be to film things. It
Speaker 1: was always, um, kind of a amazing as frustrating as
Speaker 1: it was sometimes when you would when you would start
Speaker 1: out ahead of everybody, but yeah, I can't argue with
Speaker 1: the results. So and to help us kind of talk
Speaker 1: about parkorn stealth, I have brought on a friend of
Speaker 1: mine who is the person who mostly taught me um,
Speaker 1: Parker and stealth. My friend Rick, who has been teaching
Speaker 1: Parker for a long time, UM, say hi Rick, that
Speaker 1: that that's right. Rick is very not super social, so
Speaker 1: it's I think it's amazing that I was able to
Speaker 1: convince him to come in a podcast. Pretty funny. Um.
Speaker 1: First off, Rick, do you want to kind of just
Speaker 1: like give your definition of like park or in general,
Speaker 1: because I know whenever we say Parker, everyone just thinks
Speaker 1: to the office, um, which I know you find frustrating,
Speaker 1: but yeah, for people who maybe aren't as into it
Speaker 1: as us, do you want to give the kind of
Speaker 1: a brief overview of of Parker as like a concept? Uh,
Speaker 1: Parker is really annoying concept to actually pin down. UM,
Speaker 1: But basically speaking, its movement with purpose. You are somewhere,
Speaker 1: you want to get somewhere, and you're trying to find
Speaker 1: the best way of doing that. When we're training, we
Speaker 1: kind of focus on efficiency, safety, speed, and the reason
Speaker 1: behind the movement. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's thinking of
Speaker 1: it more as like the movement with purpose or like
Speaker 1: like intentional movement UM is much better than thinking of
Speaker 1: it's like Parkour isn't like flips like flips, and that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff is more of what we call like
Speaker 1: UM free running. It's it's more of like a creative expression.
Speaker 1: It's more of like a kind of kind of like
Speaker 1: a sport, whereas like Parker is more usually I mean,
Speaker 1: there's always gonna people that are going to fight you
Speaker 1: on this in the park, in the Parker community, but
Speaker 1: it's generally Parker is kind of more based on utility.
Speaker 1: So like last last summer at the protests, I I
Speaker 1: used you know, park Or in a lot of different ways,
Speaker 1: both to like you know, get somewhere specifically or park
Speaker 1: Or is grade is like a recovery tool, like if
Speaker 1: you get pushed over by cops. UM, park Work would
Speaker 1: be very useful for like getting up very fast. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like all that kind of more practical side of things.
Speaker 1: And I've used Parker you know before I was doing
Speaker 1: filming at different kind of activism related type things. It's
Speaker 1: just just it's a super useful skill to have. UM
Speaker 1: And today I wanted to talk talk a bit about
Speaker 1: like Parker's practical application in you know, conflict ish scenarios,
Speaker 1: but also wanted to touch on stealth um as you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't need Parker and if you can avoid
Speaker 1: a scenario where you have to use it would be
Speaker 1: kind of great. So I've asked Rick to kind of
Speaker 1: prepare a few things on stealth, which then we'll kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, bounce off each other and talk kind of
Speaker 1: a general general discussion of Parker and stealth in general
Speaker 1: and how it relates to kind of conflict scenarios. Um, So, Rick,
Speaker 1: where would you like to start for you know, stealth overview? Well,
Speaker 1: in conflict with other people, there's like three different levels
Speaker 1: of the conflict um and all of these get trained
Speaker 1: in different places. Usually there's the actual um like conflict.
Speaker 1: The combat, which is more of a martial arts or
Speaker 1: gun training or weapon training of any kind as well,
Speaker 1: compares you for that Beneath that is the Parker level,
Speaker 1: where you can avoid getting into the conflict in the
Speaker 1: first place. If you can get away from the situation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're more of an arm's length of way, then
Speaker 1: you can create more distance between you and someone it's
Speaker 1: trying to hurt you. And in nine percent of conflict situations,
Speaker 1: that's going to be a better self defense option than
Speaker 1: literally any weapon you could carry. Getting the hell away
Speaker 1: is always the preferred there's there's there's a really good comic.
Speaker 1: Um it's it's like it's it's like a it's like
Speaker 1: a like like a comedy comic of like someone someone
Speaker 1: trying to get into a knife fight and you're just like, nope,
Speaker 1: I'm running away because there's no there's no winner in
Speaker 1: a knife fight. The only way to win a knife
Speaker 1: fight is to be oh far away from someone with
Speaker 1: a knife. Yeah, I mean literally, Again, the only justified
Speaker 1: situation I can think of to physically getting into a
Speaker 1: knife fight is like what happened on the Portland Max
Speaker 1: train when someone else can't get away. Yeah, you're stuck,
Speaker 1: gonna stick to them. And the two guys who did
Speaker 1: that died. They died. Yeah yeah, um, not that they
Speaker 1: did the wrong thing. They did the only thing they could.
Speaker 1: But that's what a knife fight is. So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: being able to get the funk away is the best
Speaker 1: self defense. Yeah. I carry weapons with me wherever I go,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to ever use them. My first
Speaker 1: response is always going to be look for an escape path.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. A weapon is only for if you
Speaker 1: can't get away or if someone else can't get away.
Speaker 1: So pretty much like yeah, well, yeah, I've always been
Speaker 1: interested because again I've watched you know, Garrison hop away
Speaker 1: from cops over fences where I had to like, you know,
Speaker 1: fall over the fence essentially because I'm not nearly as good.
Speaker 1: I'm someone who exercises. But like number one, is it
Speaker 1: even possible to like learn this stuff without fucking your
Speaker 1: thirty three year old body up a bunch in the process.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of scared of is like over sixty,
Speaker 1: and he's good, very good. He's actually like one of
Speaker 1: my high intermediate, low advanced students, honestly, and he started
Speaker 1: when he was like fifty. How do you uh, I
Speaker 1: mean like it? It just seems like injury, I guess
Speaker 1: because my my my stereotypical view of it is like
Speaker 1: a bunch of jumping up on buildings and leaping over stuff, like, um,
Speaker 1: it seems like injuries would be a pretty common fact. Um,
Speaker 1: So I guess that's kind of like always been my
Speaker 1: first concern there, like how do you how do you
Speaker 1: how do you train people to do this stuff with
Speaker 1: a minimum of risk? Well, that's kind of always the
Speaker 1: focus of my teaching. There certainly are other instructors out there,
Speaker 1: like the guy who taught me Parker was basically, this
Speaker 1: is a con vault. This is what it looks like.
Speaker 1: Do it my training, Like, I sucked at Parker when
Speaker 1: I started, So my teaching method has been coming at
Speaker 1: this as a sort of Okay, I'm gonna try to
Speaker 1: break this down into as many pieces as I can,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to try to keep you completely safe. Um,
Speaker 1: Bumps and bruises do happen when you're training Parker. That's
Speaker 1: just unavoidable. It's learning how to do walking but fancy.
Speaker 1: So you get bruised when you're learning how to walk.
Speaker 1: You get bruised when you're learning every technique in Parker.
Speaker 1: But I've been doing it for fourteen years now and
Speaker 1: I've never broken any of my bones. If you do
Speaker 1: it right, you should be able to stay safe when
Speaker 1: training you. Definitely, if you can get someone who's more experienced,
Speaker 1: getting them to break down steps for you was very useful.
Speaker 1: Either that be like a park Ord gym in your
Speaker 1: area or just like a friend that that's that's been
Speaker 1: that's been messing around trying to like train with somebody
Speaker 1: is probably one of the most important things, um, is
Speaker 1: to have someone else there both if you like want
Speaker 1: like get hurt, you need help, but to to kind
Speaker 1: of prevent to help prevent that from even happening in
Speaker 1: the first place, because there's a lot of like very
Speaker 1: simple moves that can be introduced in very safe environments.
Speaker 1: I've I've I've been wanting to get Roberts down to
Speaker 1: the gym for like over a year now, just to
Speaker 1: go over like a few basic kind of stuff that's
Speaker 1: just really really useful, pretty and like pretty easy. Like
Speaker 1: we're not we're not jumping to like you know, doing
Speaker 1: like roof topping right where we're like jumping from one
Speaker 1: roof to another. We're starting by we're starting by being like,
Speaker 1: here's like a concrete barricade. What's the safest way of
Speaker 1: getting over this if you're under pressure? Right? It's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's that kind of stuff that's specifically useful and
Speaker 1: like conflict scenarios, right, because like when we're when we're
Speaker 1: facing in a riot line, I'm not gonna be doing
Speaker 1: like flips and cart wheels to like get over fences.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be like, what's the safest, fastest way
Speaker 1: I can get over this thing? Well, making sure I'm
Speaker 1: not going to get like shot with the of a bullet. Right,
Speaker 1: that's kind of it's it's it's it's it's very different
Speaker 1: from like what you see on like YouTube. Right, YouTube
Speaker 1: is very like showy people are like trying to like
Speaker 1: basically when what you see on YouTube is people are
Speaker 1: doing people are doing like a choreographic performance, whereas Parker
Speaker 1: from a utility standpoint is very different from what you
Speaker 1: see online. Yeah, And that's one of the things that
Speaker 1: we try to train to when we're training Parker is
Speaker 1: we just give ourselves an environment and say, okay, I'm
Speaker 1: going now, yeah, and like do it over and over
Speaker 1: again and try to figure out what's the best way
Speaker 1: of getting over this specific path. Right, if you can
Speaker 1: like make a designed path, be like, you know, even
Speaker 1: doing this at like a playground or like any any
Speaker 1: place with like logs, you know, you can do Parker
Speaker 1: in the forest and stuff, be like I'm just like
Speaker 1: setting this path and experiment with how many ways can
Speaker 1: I move through this kind of set set of obstacles, um,
Speaker 1: And you can kind of figure out Parker on your
Speaker 1: own in in in that kind of way, because because
Speaker 1: your body knows what it's gonna do, like, you know,
Speaker 1: people have been moving like this for thousands and thousands
Speaker 1: of years. It's only in the past few hundred years
Speaker 1: where we've like kind of lost this ability, or it's
Speaker 1: like become it's become less necessary. So like we we
Speaker 1: know how to interact with our environment in creative ways,
Speaker 1: like we we we know how to do this, but
Speaker 1: just that, you know, we the past, the past few centuries,
Speaker 1: it's been less important. And I think Parker is really
Speaker 1: fun because you can kind of rediscover interacting with your
Speaker 1: environment in these, you know, kind of more wild ways.
Speaker 1: It's something that we all do as children, just like
Speaker 1: evolutionarily for some reason, as children we do this as play.
Speaker 1: We climb trees and we try to go over fences.
Speaker 1: It's just that something in our society has made a
Speaker 1: shift so that when we become adults, it's suddenly not
Speaker 1: acceptable for us to do this anymore. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I can remember when I was a little kid growing
Speaker 1: up on the farm. We had a bullpen because we
Speaker 1: kept the bowl away from the cows, and my my
Speaker 1: cousin I would hop over the fence and we would
Speaker 1: throw stuff at the bowl and then when it started
Speaker 1: to charge, we would back over the fence. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously I'd never do that today because it's mean to
Speaker 1: throw things at a bowl. I was six. But also
Speaker 1: I couldn't physically hop over the fence that way today.
Speaker 1: But I'm guessing within like, I don't know, even just
Speaker 1: like a few hours of practice, you could figure out
Speaker 1: a lot of ways together. I could be back to
Speaker 1: fucking with bowls. Is what exactly? You don't need to
Speaker 1: kiss kiss the bull fucking goodbye? You can? We can?
Speaker 1: We can go back to this. We could go I could,
Speaker 1: I could return to tradition, Yes, exactly. What is the
Speaker 1: degree of this that can be done without? Again, like
Speaker 1: you know, we have we have a wide variety of
Speaker 1: income levels that listen to this show. Um, what is
Speaker 1: the degree this can be done without like paying for training?
Speaker 1: You know that? Like, like, how is it even possible
Speaker 1: to like start on this kind of thing if you're
Speaker 1: in reasonable shape, you know, on your own without paying someone?
Speaker 1: Because that that seems like a recipe for breaking something
Speaker 1: to me, But again, I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: she yet. It is very much about knowing yourself and
Speaker 1: knowing what you're ready for. Uh, this was something I
Speaker 1: mean I say that I never broke a bone in
Speaker 1: my training, But there were a couple of times I
Speaker 1: started pushing myself further than I should have, and it
Speaker 1: would have been really good to have someone there to say, hey,
Speaker 1: you're probably not ready for this yet. Let's break this
Speaker 1: down into little pieces. But if you come at it
Speaker 1: methodically and you don't endanger yourself too much. What I
Speaker 1: started out with in parkour is I would just put
Speaker 1: a piece of tape on the ground and another piece
Speaker 1: of tape and jump from one piece of tape to
Speaker 1: the other. And went out to parking lots and jumped
Speaker 1: from just an arbitrary pebble to the curb on the
Speaker 1: parking lot and found some just railings and learned how
Speaker 1: to go over those railings safely. Gradually just started building
Speaker 1: up to higher and higher things. You always want to
Speaker 1: start at ground level when you're training park corps. Don't
Speaker 1: go up to high places for your first thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think there there's a lot of like instructional videos
Speaker 1: on YouTube to that that are not just like showing off.
Speaker 1: It's actually people trying to break down movements. So you
Speaker 1: can like get find a specific video and be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to, you know, bring this on my phone,
Speaker 1: go out into like a playground, a parking lot, like
Speaker 1: like a wooded area, and be like, okay, this is
Speaker 1: this is this one vault. I'm gonna watch the video
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna try to replicate it myself. That's really
Speaker 1: the the kind of easiest, cheapest way to kind of
Speaker 1: break that down without having to you know, pay someone
Speaker 1: tons of money. Um. You know, if parker classes aren't
Speaker 1: the most expensive thing. Um so that's if you do
Speaker 1: have a little bit of disposable income. I I like
Speaker 1: park work classes. I did them for a long time,
Speaker 1: but there was a certain point actually that like I
Speaker 1: couldn't afford classes anymore. And luckily I've been doing park
Speaker 1: whore enough at that point that I was able to
Speaker 1: become an assistant instructor, which means I've got like a
Speaker 1: free I got like a free membership in exchange for
Speaker 1: you know, helping out in classes, like a few hours
Speaker 1: a week. So that's what that's what I did for
Speaker 1: years when I couldn't afford classes. Is it's just helps
Speaker 1: help teach, which I mean eventually I got leveled up
Speaker 1: to being like a full time instructor. Um. So that
Speaker 1: is kind of the other way is, you know, once
Speaker 1: you get enough stuff, there are you know, there's there's
Speaker 1: ways you can make friends who know more park or
Speaker 1: than you. You can do you know, outdoor training with them,
Speaker 1: which can be free. Um, but if you if you
Speaker 1: do really want like a like a gym environment, there
Speaker 1: is there's ways of making classes, not the most expensive things.
Speaker 1: There's online groups that schedule meetups every now and then,
Speaker 1: so if you can find an online group in your area,
Speaker 1: you can go to one of their meetups and ask
Speaker 1: for advice. Not everyone's going to give the best advice.
Speaker 1: There are some people in the park or community who
Speaker 1: are always pushing their boundaries. They'll be in an cast
Speaker 1: half of the time. Um, the more advanced people, yeah,
Speaker 1: they generally, so always take advice with a grain of salt.
Speaker 1: Not everyone knows everything, and no one knows your body
Speaker 1: as well as you do. So you've got to keep
Speaker 1: yourself safe above everything else. You can't get better at
Speaker 1: park or if you break both of your legs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's always So a couple of questions here. Number one
Speaker 1: would be obviously, I don't expect, you know, like somebody's
Speaker 1: in Michigan or whatever. I don't expect you to know
Speaker 1: the best parkour instructor there. But if somebody is looking
Speaker 1: at going the gym route, are there kind of some
Speaker 1: hard and fast rules for determining whether or not these
Speaker 1: folks know what they're doing? Like, is there any kind
Speaker 1: of advice you have in terms of picking a gym
Speaker 1: or is it just kind of like go into Google
Speaker 1: maps and see see where the parkouri be. That's a
Speaker 1: little bit tough because especially since COVID, there's not many
Speaker 1: options for park or gins out here. Um, my best
Speaker 1: advice would be go and if they let you just
Speaker 1: watch a class and see what's going on. Um, see
Speaker 1: how many people have casts? Yeah, yeah, back when I
Speaker 1: was learning Parker, originally we would have basically two people
Speaker 1: in a cast all the time, just for the class. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that the guy that I was trying
Speaker 1: to keep up with the whole times span three stints
Speaker 1: in a cast. Yeah, just funny because I've never got
Speaker 1: a serious injury ever. I was. I was always more
Speaker 1: careful in my training, but like, the most I've gotten
Speaker 1: is like is like you know, like bruises and stuff.
Speaker 1: I've I've I've and I got to a relatively high
Speaker 1: level of Parker, like if years ago only took classes
Speaker 1: for me, but focus was always on breaking things down
Speaker 1: and making them accessible and safe. True true, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but there as there's definitely people who are more who
Speaker 1: are more carefree with their body and okay with themselves
Speaker 1: to do something cool. Yeah, and some people will get
Speaker 1: away with that. So for folks who are there don't
Speaker 1: have the financial means to go to a gym where
Speaker 1: there's just nothing in their area because as you said,
Speaker 1: there's a plague. Um, if people are gonna you've given
Speaker 1: some advice and like how to start trying yourself. Are
Speaker 1: there any specific online resources you would recommend to folks
Speaker 1: who are you know, looking to get on unless on
Speaker 1: their own dip their toes in? Um, you know YouTube
Speaker 1: channels or or people who you know do good like
Speaker 1: writing breakdowns, anything that you would, uh, you would push
Speaker 1: folks towards. I haven't been up to date on it recently. UM.
Speaker 1: A lot of the videos out there are garbage. UM.
Speaker 1: What I recommend you look for is you look for
Speaker 1: first of all, explanation. UM. Second of all, if you
Speaker 1: can find videos of someone who's training something and they
Speaker 1: failed to do the move that they're trying to do
Speaker 1: correctly and they fail to do the move that they're
Speaker 1: trying to do correctly. They fail and fail and fail
Speaker 1: and fail and then succeed. M hm. That's an honest idea.
Speaker 1: That's one that I would listen to more because they
Speaker 1: understand the process. The other videos out there are sort
Speaker 1: of greatest hits compilations and you don't get to see
Speaker 1: the whole process that goes into that. So I don't
Speaker 1: have a sense. I don't have any specific person or
Speaker 1: channel to recommend, but when you're going out there and
Speaker 1: looking for resources, just make sure that the person is
Speaker 1: being some understanding into the fact that this is the
Speaker 1: process of training and it's not just this is how
Speaker 1: it's done. Do it now, you can do it. There
Speaker 1: is there is a there's like a parkore wiki which
Speaker 1: was like you know, parkour dot fandom dot com that
Speaker 1: you can you can find like just like lists of
Speaker 1: all of the moves and they give you very like
Speaker 1: simple explanations of them and they and they link to
Speaker 1: some videos um and generally like if if you just
Speaker 1: want to learn more about it, then that's then that
Speaker 1: can be a good resource, just so you're familiar with
Speaker 1: all the different types of movement. But yeah, like make
Speaker 1: sure you take every video with a grain of salt,
Speaker 1: and you know, watch other watch other people's explanations and
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, I kind of like the way this
Speaker 1: person describes it versus this person, because you know, everyone
Speaker 1: teaches differently. Everyone teaches for kind of you know, different
Speaker 1: differently body types for different like you know, body like
Speaker 1: performance models. Um. So you know, because you can't just
Speaker 1: apply the same thing to everyone because everyone's everyone is different.
Speaker 1: But you know, the parkar WICKI is a decent resource. Um.
Speaker 1: And then you know there's YouTube is especially since since
Speaker 1: the two thousand's there's been a plethora of content, most
Speaker 1: of most of it bad, but you know there's lots
Speaker 1: to at least look for. Alright, Um, anything else you
Speaker 1: wanted to get into, Yeah, I wanted to kind of
Speaker 1: branch off of like the parkour discussion into kind of like, uh,
Speaker 1: the more kind of stealth based discussion of of kind
Speaker 1: of being aware of your presence in relation to other
Speaker 1: people and recond I know you were talking about like
Speaker 1: the different levels of stealthy. So you've got the combat
Speaker 1: training which prevents you from getting killed or captured in uh,
Speaker 1: the worst of scenarios, and then we have Parker that
Speaker 1: you can use to prevent the combat in the first place,
Speaker 1: and stealth is what you use to prevent the chase
Speaker 1: from happening in the first place. It's kind of a
Speaker 1: tree of I really don't want to have to fight someone,
Speaker 1: so I'm going to run away instead. I really don't
Speaker 1: want to have to run away from someone, so I'm
Speaker 1: just going to try and not to be noticed by
Speaker 1: them instead. And that's been a lot of what my
Speaker 1: training in Parker has been focused around, is just staying
Speaker 1: de escalated as possible with everything. Yeah, because we me
Speaker 1: and Rick have focused most of our Parker training on
Speaker 1: on stealth UM as opposed to being you know, super
Speaker 1: strong or super powerful UM. And Stealth's always a really
Speaker 1: hard concept to talk about because it's kind of like
Speaker 1: nebulous in nature, because stealth isn't being invisible, right, It's
Speaker 1: it's not it's not being totally unnoticed. It's want It's
Speaker 1: it's it's wanting to craft the way you're seen in
Speaker 1: a specific way. Yeah. Um, it's always been very difficult
Speaker 1: for me to explain what stealth is. The most recent
Speaker 1: definition that I've given for it is that everything that
Speaker 1: you do, everything that you are, gives off a certain
Speaker 1: amount of noise and a certain type of noise. So
Speaker 1: the way that you dress. You can dress in a
Speaker 1: very loud way with the hive is vest day glow, colors, um,
Speaker 1: something that makes you really easy to notice. But if
Speaker 1: you're in the right environment, that might be the right
Speaker 1: type of noise to be making to blend into a crowd.
Speaker 1: Like a three piece suit is also a very loud
Speaker 1: outfit to wear, but if you're on the streets of
Speaker 1: New York, that's normal. If you come into a park
Speaker 1: origin wearing a three piece suit, it's very abnormal. So
Speaker 1: that's not the right type of noise if you're trying
Speaker 1: to blend in there. Yeah, a lot of it's about
Speaker 1: kind of constructing the way people see you based on
Speaker 1: what environment you're in and who you're trying to remain
Speaker 1: undetected from, right, because I mean they're like not even
Speaker 1: necessarily undetected, but just detected in a specific way because
Speaker 1: people eyes. People's eyes can glaze over a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. If if just that the right
Speaker 1: puzzle pieces are put into their brain, that it's like
Speaker 1: nothing nothing to see here. Every everything is normal, nothing
Speaker 1: not nothing to be alerted, right, because what you're trying
Speaker 1: to do is prevent someone from being like alerted to
Speaker 1: your presence. That is kind of the main thing. So
Speaker 1: you can be than someone's sitelines, but the way that
Speaker 1: you're dressed, the way that you're moving, the way that
Speaker 1: you hold yourself fails to get their attention. They're subconscious
Speaker 1: registers that you're there, but it doesn't register consciously to
Speaker 1: them that you're there. It's the gray Man stuff that
Speaker 1: we were talking about with Chelsea, which again there's very
Speaker 1: frustrating chutty dimension to it. But the the original idea,
Speaker 1: before it got taken over as an entire fashion aesthetic,
Speaker 1: was if you're prepared, if you're if you're going to
Speaker 1: make yourself prepared for badge situations, you don't want to
Speaker 1: wear a bunch of tactical gear. You don't want to
Speaker 1: be dressed in like five combat pants. You don't want
Speaker 1: to be carrying like military backpacks and like the cargo
Speaker 1: pants with the you know, clearly bulging with weaponry. You
Speaker 1: don't want to be open carrying a gun. You want
Speaker 1: to be dressed, however, is going to least to least
Speaker 1: set you apart from the crowd. And that is, as
Speaker 1: you said, got a very no, it's not a matter
Speaker 1: of like wearing all gray or wearing all black. Um,
Speaker 1: you're in downtown Salt Lakes, you know, a black hoodie
Speaker 1: and jeans might stand out more than it does if
Speaker 1: you're in downtown San Francisco, in which case you're gonna
Speaker 1: look like a million other people. I mean, and and generally,
Speaker 1: if you're trying to avoid being seen, I recommend against
Speaker 1: wearing black basically at at all times, especially if you're
Speaker 1: trying to remain like actually invisible at night. You don't
Speaker 1: want to wear black because black is usually too dark. Um,
Speaker 1: you you want to wear like darker blues or darker greens. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: generally black is should be avoided. Um. Of course, like
Speaker 1: black block is a whole separate thing because black block
Speaker 1: are trying to remain anonymous within a crowd context. But
Speaker 1: you know, in a lot of cases, you don't want
Speaker 1: to be in black block at protests, or you want
Speaker 1: to be able to switch from black block to what
Speaker 1: we call like normy block very quickly. So like you know,
Speaker 1: quick changes are another kind of form of stealth um
Speaker 1: that you can like practice like you can you can
Speaker 1: just practice doing quick changes like in your apartment, be
Speaker 1: like how fast can I get from this outfit to
Speaker 1: this outfit? Um in like a small space, right, you can?
Speaker 1: You can? You can back to these even like side
Speaker 1: but specifically for like black block, changing both in and
Speaker 1: out of is a skill that needs to be practiced. Um.
Speaker 1: But overall, I think like there's a lot of other
Speaker 1: ways of being anonymous at a protest besides actually black block, Like,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of other kind of methods. Like black
Speaker 1: blocks are very specific tactic, but it's not a tactic
Speaker 1: that needs to get applied all the time. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's very you should be mindful that it has a
Speaker 1: lot of downsides. Um And based on what you're trying
Speaker 1: to do, there's a lot of other ways to dress
Speaker 1: that would maybe be better. Um yeah, yeah, it's this
Speaker 1: um yeah, it's a little bit like angles of it
Speaker 1: are kind of what we talked about even in like
Speaker 1: the last week when we were talking about like storing,
Speaker 1: you know, food and canning food and like the value
Speaker 1: of paying attention to the cycle of like what is
Speaker 1: in stock and what is not stocked in stock during
Speaker 1: what seasons. It's kind of the same thing at the
Speaker 1: value of paying attention to how people dress and how
Speaker 1: people move and like what is a normal way to
Speaker 1: move about and wherever you live as opposed to like
Speaker 1: what stands out like it, there's a lot of value
Speaker 1: and a lot of self defense value and just kind
Speaker 1: of paying attention to people wherever you live and getting
Speaker 1: an eye for what will stand out and what won't
Speaker 1: stand out. If you're if you, if you are someone
Speaker 1: for whom being able to blend in is something you
Speaker 1: see value in, you know, Yeah, Rick, do do Do
Speaker 1: you have any things kind of on that side of
Speaker 1: things or any like exercises people can do to improve
Speaker 1: their own personal stealth. Yeah, it's very very situational. You
Speaker 1: have to sort of study many different environments. The biggest
Speaker 1: advice that I give people for stealth all the time is, um,
Speaker 1: pay attention. You have to pay attention to the smallest
Speaker 1: details when I'm even just moving around my house, like
Speaker 1: the bathroom door lock. Um, when you twist the lock,
Speaker 1: the button pops out and makes a huge noise. I
Speaker 1: actually place my thumb over it and deaden the sound
Speaker 1: as I'm doing it, and I pay attention to the
Speaker 1: kind of noise that I make in every situation and
Speaker 1: try to minimize that as much as possible. I pay
Speaker 1: attention to which parts of my house make noise when
Speaker 1: you step on them and avoid those places. Um I UM. Basically,
Speaker 1: just pay attention to every noise that my body makes,
Speaker 1: that my environment makes as I'm moving through it. Also,
Speaker 1: you have to pay attention and study other people in
Speaker 1: different environments. You can go to a grocery store and
Speaker 1: watch the body language of the moms who are shopping
Speaker 1: with their kids, so that the people that normally you
Speaker 1: wouldn't pay attention to pay attention to them because they're
Speaker 1: doing a good job of blending in if you're not
Speaker 1: normally paying attention to them, and then try to start
Speaker 1: mimicking their body language. What I'll do when I go
Speaker 1: out is I don't directly look at anyone, but I'm
Speaker 1: paying attention to if I'm being paid attention to give
Speaker 1: myself that own that conscious feedback and say, hey, I
Speaker 1: wasn't all that stealthy this time, I kind of stuck out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: practicing your peripheral vision is definitely useful for that. I
Speaker 1: mean in terms of like exercises. Yeah, just going to
Speaker 1: like parks or other places where there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people and like people watching and trying to figure out
Speaker 1: who does your eyes glaze over the most and what
Speaker 1: what are they doing to cause that. I think one
Speaker 1: one thing that me and Rick have talked about before
Speaker 1: is like every part of your body points somewhere, like
Speaker 1: whether that be your eyes, your nose, your chin, your arms,
Speaker 1: your hips, your chest, your hands, all of these things
Speaker 1: point in a direction. And if you can figure out
Speaker 1: which direction you can point them to make people pay
Speaker 1: less attention to you. That's kind of one of the
Speaker 1: easier models of understanding how to like walk and move
Speaker 1: in a stealthy manner that I think like out of
Speaker 1: all the different ways of thinking about and I think
Speaker 1: that's the way that's helped me the most. Um it's
Speaker 1: being like, you know, if if my head is pointed
Speaker 1: up and my nose is pointed out and I'm moving
Speaker 1: my arms around a lot, that's people are gonna like
Speaker 1: like look at me more. You know, people if if
Speaker 1: if if I can't act is made that is like
Speaker 1: a failure. So you know, if your head's pointed down,
Speaker 1: your arms are more slouched, they kind of move with
Speaker 1: your body, but that's not super exaggerated and it's not
Speaker 1: super stiff. These are different kind of ways of pointing
Speaker 1: your body to make you seem more like UM introspective
Speaker 1: UM and less external. Also walking around with UM ear
Speaker 1: plugs or like like like uh earbuds, ear phones, those
Speaker 1: are ways people will pay attention class to you looking
Speaker 1: at your smartphone. Yeah, one of the back when we
Speaker 1: back when I took classes with you and taught classes,
Speaker 1: we we would would we would have like a weekly
Speaker 1: a weekly games class um where we'd have different you
Speaker 1: know games and related to park Ore and you know,
Speaker 1: stealth would always kind of be something I would try
Speaker 1: to do. And you could survive so long in stealth
Speaker 1: games by just like looking like pretending that you're looking
Speaker 1: at your phone, like not even actually doing it. Just
Speaker 1: like walking in like a circle around like walking in
Speaker 1: a circle around the arena as people are trying to
Speaker 1: like tag and stuff. And if you can just like
Speaker 1: walk with your head down kind of slowly, you can
Speaker 1: strive a ridiculously long time because people are looking for
Speaker 1: people that are like around and being like and being
Speaker 1: super energy energetic, and if you're not, people aren't detecting
Speaker 1: you as much. Another thing to practice would be quiet walking,
Speaker 1: which is we kind of mentioned before. It's like learning
Speaker 1: how to move your foot and interact with different surfaces
Speaker 1: that makes your walking basically silent, which is very fun
Speaker 1: because you can use this to scare your friends. It's it's,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's very exciting to to to to to
Speaker 1: like to try to figure out what's what's ways I
Speaker 1: can hide in my friend's house to like jump scare them,
Speaker 1: or like how close can I get behind someone with
Speaker 1: with with without them noticing that. There'd be times I
Speaker 1: can just like walk up behind someone and wait, like
Speaker 1: I kid you, not like ten minutes before they noticed
Speaker 1: I was there. It's hilarious. UM. I feel even better
Speaker 1: when I can do that to their pets because generally
Speaker 1: the animals are paying more attention to everything. So if
Speaker 1: you can successfully sneak up on someone's cat, you're doing
Speaker 1: it right. Yeah. Oh man, I do really enjoy stealth,
Speaker 1: and I'll be happy to practice it more regularly once
Speaker 1: the plug is over. Um. If it's over um. Any
Speaker 1: other kind of stealth notes that you would want to
Speaker 1: kind of bring up for if someone's trying to like
Speaker 1: get into stealth and start to start thinking about detection,
Speaker 1: you know, more often in their everyday life. It's very
Speaker 1: important that you engage in indirect observations. You you were
Speaker 1: talking about how everything points and one of the things
Speaker 1: that we subconsciously notice the most is people's eyes were
Speaker 1: kind of programmed to notice eyes. So if you're looking
Speaker 1: directly at someone, they're probably gonna notice that you've noticed them.
Speaker 1: But if you're using your peripheral vision, or if instead
Speaker 1: of watching them, you're watching a reflection of them, or
Speaker 1: if you're watching their shadow um, or you're not even
Speaker 1: looking in their direction instead you're tracking them by sound,
Speaker 1: it makes it so that you have a big one
Speaker 1: up on everyone around you. In Indirect observation is one
Speaker 1: of the best tools that you can use UM if
Speaker 1: you get really clever it Now this this, this, this
Speaker 1: is harder because it actually if if you if you
Speaker 1: if you do this wrong, people people, people will pay
Speaker 1: more attention to you. But you can get good at it.
Speaker 1: Start using like your phone camera or even just your
Speaker 1: phone screen, because like your black phone screen is pretty,
Speaker 1: is pretty, is pretty reflective in nature, so you can
Speaker 1: use this as like a mirror um But like yeah,
Speaker 1: using like phone cameras and phone screens as a reflective
Speaker 1: surface or or just as like a camera can be
Speaker 1: used in indirect observation. But you do have to be
Speaker 1: careful because if if if it looks like you're filming somebody,
Speaker 1: they're gonna pay so much more attention to you. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you have, you have. You have to be very careful
Speaker 1: with this method, but it is possible. This is how
Speaker 1: I kind of this is how I um, this is
Speaker 1: how it's like documented different like um not sees that rallies.
Speaker 1: If I don't want to be like super obvious that
Speaker 1: that I'm taking a picture of them, there's ways of
Speaker 1: doing indirect observation with my phone that I can like
Speaker 1: get pictures of them from certain angles to be like okay,
Speaker 1: now now I can put you, I can add you
Speaker 1: to my to my folder of Nazis that have showed
Speaker 1: up UM that method. You have to be super careful
Speaker 1: if you're surrounded by potentially hostile people. Anyone who's behind
Speaker 1: you is going to see that your phone camera is on.
Speaker 1: So it's something that you only want to use if
Speaker 1: people are on one side of you, or you know,
Speaker 1: you keep you you you use your body as a
Speaker 1: shield for certain for certain like angles be tricky the
Speaker 1: hoodie and uh increase your odds of success with that.
Speaker 1: But but but most often I would recommend against this method,
Speaker 1: especially if you're just starting out, because it is it
Speaker 1: is a lot more risky. Um. But when it does work,
Speaker 1: it can come in very handy. But but more often
Speaker 1: than not, using using like reflections like windows, mirrors, you know,
Speaker 1: like a car, windows, puddles on the ground, shadows, sound,
Speaker 1: all of these different methods of observing someone without looking
Speaker 1: directly at them are generally much much safer um and
Speaker 1: they can be very useful for for trying to track
Speaker 1: someone or to be aware of what they're looking at
Speaker 1: without looking directly at them. Um. Kind of more similar
Speaker 1: to like what I talked about in like the fictional
Speaker 1: opening we did for stealth is very dependent on what
Speaker 1: you know is trying to watch you righte Like like
Speaker 1: how you need to be aware of the ways people
Speaker 1: are trying to detect you. Of course, this canine units.
Speaker 1: It's very very different than just being being yeah, than
Speaker 1: being like chased down on foot um or you know,
Speaker 1: like security cameras of course, like online tracking, which we're
Speaker 1: not we're not really getting into today. But you know,
Speaker 1: like being aware of where security cameras are mapped out,
Speaker 1: um can be can be very useful. Learning to learning
Speaker 1: to figure out where they are without looking directly at
Speaker 1: them can be useful. There's a lot of cities have
Speaker 1: websites that like map out where where all the cameras are. Um.
Speaker 1: I know there's one from Portland that you can like
Speaker 1: map out all of the cameras in downtown and then
Speaker 1: you can like plan like a route through downtown that
Speaker 1: has no cameras watching right. There's there's only there there's
Speaker 1: only very few routes that that actually have that, but
Speaker 1: but they do exist. Um. So learning to move in
Speaker 1: ways that make cameras less able to spot you, um
Speaker 1: those that's definitely another kind of method of learning about
Speaker 1: stealth and learning about like how surveillance works looking directly
Speaker 1: at the camera. But that's that's that's definitely useful. Which
Speaker 1: intention where they are, yeah, which plays into which plays
Speaker 1: into indirect observation. Um. But I mean this gets more tricky.
Speaker 1: We know when police are using like thermal drones. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is its whole whole whole other side of things
Speaker 1: that it's very hard too. Sex side of thing is
Speaker 1: hard to combat and it's yeah, yeah, there will be
Speaker 1: a point in time in which it becomes effectively impossible
Speaker 1: to the editor for cameras. Yeah, there's like there's there's
Speaker 1: like a hierarchy of worry because yeah, if because if,
Speaker 1: like the n s A wants to find you, they will,
Speaker 1: but most often they're not, Like most often people are
Speaker 1: dealing with their local law enforcement unit. Most often people
Speaker 1: are not dealing with the FBI. Most people people usually
Speaker 1: dealing with the FBI, CIA or an s A. If
Speaker 1: if they want to find you, they will. But if
Speaker 1: you can learn to only interact with your surroundings in
Speaker 1: a way that would only concern your local police department,
Speaker 1: that's much easier too. That's much easier to kind of
Speaker 1: combat against uma because it's it's way easier to hide
Speaker 1: from you know, your local department than it is from
Speaker 1: the n s A. All right, um, anything else? I
Speaker 1: think that pretty much covers everything. Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: a good that's a SDE. Great, it's a cast that
Speaker 1: we have potted. Um all right, Um, we got any
Speaker 1: any plugables here to plug at the end before we
Speaker 1: before we roll out me. Yeah, no, you don't find
Speaker 1: me alone. Don't don't find him. This is the most
Speaker 1: visible you've ever been. Yeah, so is there any um,
Speaker 1: I don't know a fundraise or charity for someone else
Speaker 1: that you want to highlight. Not currently now you are?
Speaker 1: You do try to be uh? You do? Try to
Speaker 1: be a virtual ninja? All right? Well, all plug something.
Speaker 1: One of our fans is putting together a graphic novel
Speaker 1: about the famed anarchist militant of the Spanish Civil War
Speaker 1: when even showed a Druty. So if you just go
Speaker 1: to type Druty and too Kickstarter, you'll find the graphic
Speaker 1: novel Kickstarter. UM check it out. It's cool. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I guess other things I'll close with his learned to
Speaker 1: walk quietly, learn to observe, learn to observe your surroundings. Um,
Speaker 1: keep these things, practice, practice, practice with other people. Don't
Speaker 1: don't don't do this alone. It's really useful to have
Speaker 1: stealth be a collaborative process, because stealth isn't Stealth isn't
Speaker 1: by itself, isn't just about you. It's about you and
Speaker 1: your whole environment. Um, collaborate with the CVS clerk. When
Speaker 1: you robbed the CVS stealthily, that is that is a
Speaker 1: different podcast I'm working on, is that How to Shop
Speaker 1: the Shoplifting Cast. I mean, yeah, that is something I
Speaker 1: will pitch very soon. Anyway, had trouble getting sponsors for
Speaker 1: the shoplifting podcast, I will tell you that. And it's difficult.
Speaker 1: If you could actually get CVS to sponsor that big shoplifting,
Speaker 1: I mean, we are giving them a lot of free
Speaker 1: advertising if if if it does, if it does happen. Anyway,
Speaker 1: most people who shoplift also spend. That's true. That is
Speaker 1: one of the best ways to shoplift is to buy
Speaker 1: other things. In this story I'm seeing, I'm I'm already
Speaker 1: giving out advice. Um, yeah, that that is how I
Speaker 1: always shoplifted back when I shoplifted, Yeah, back when I
Speaker 1: did that twenty years ago. That's what That's how I
Speaker 1: did it as well. I feel like if Sophie were here,
Speaker 1: she'd be trying to back pedal right now and stop
Speaker 1: you guys, So, if you support shoplifting, this is a
Speaker 1: very pro shoplifting podcast. Anyway, that's the podcast. It could
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