WEBVTT - Movement with Purpose: Parkour & Stealth 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:06.320 You suddenly wake up to the loud growling of a 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:09.879 tactical vehicle. Must have left your window open. A few 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:13.080 streets away, you can hear the troopers doing their morning patrols. 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.160 This is closing in on week four of the all 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:20.160 day curfew. Cops and state troopers have put checkpoints at 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:23.200 every bridge and on all major streets for about every 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:27.560 ten blocks. Your friends and the city's local liberal majority 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.920 are now calling this what it is. Your city is 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:35.720 functioning as a full on police date. National establishment media 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:39.560 has been more hesitants to use that term, but your 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:42.760 Fox watching conservative family from out of state has been 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:45.120 texting you about how good it is that someone is 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:48.200 finally establishing law and order and taking back the town. 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:53.680 After months of senseless looting and destructive riots, You've been 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:56.760 mostly stuck in your downtown apartment. You quit your job 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:59.959 when the recent amount of protests started up, which now 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.000 means you don't qualify for the working hours exemption of 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:06.480 the curfew. You've got enough money saved up for another month, 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:09.600 but you're looking to get a grocery delivery job, which 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:11.520 would have the added benefit of allowing you to go 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:15.279 outside during the day. Luckily, you've been able to sneak 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.640 out at night to do rooftopping and surveil the police's 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:23.240 checkpoints and patrol routes in your neighborhood. You've noticed that 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:27.000 the cops rarely look up. You've been feeding your intail 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.119 into a surveillance database shared on a telegram channel ran 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:34.720 by some various activists. After lying in bed gathering your 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:37.440 thoughts for a few minutes, you finally roll out and 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:42.240 pick out your clothes, dark loose pants, a plane shirt, beanie, 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:46.560 and a high vis jacket. Ordinarily, you'd break into your 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:49.960 red bull stache from morning caffeine, but you've already got 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:53.800 plenty of energy. Today it's your boyfriend's birthday, and for 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:57.280 the past week you've been planning to surprise him. You 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.280 think there's finally enough information into surveillance database US to 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:03.000 plan a trip across town with little to no law 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:07.680 enforcement interaction. Between the in person reconnaissance and hacking into 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:11.520 the city's traffic cams, which was surprisingly easy, you've been 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:14.200 able to figure out a route using city buses and 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:17.200 on foot that should be able to avoid checkpoints and 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.880 the regular patrol routes from what you've seen online. Bus 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:24.119 drivers won't ask for your work authorization card, and you're 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.080 hoping the high his jacket will make it look like 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:29.200 you belong. Lastly, before you leave, you grab your small 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:32.080 yellow messenger bag and jam in a water bottle plus 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:38.480 a ten of a half a dozen cupcakes. Deep breaths, slowly, 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:40.760 twist the handle of your door, and stare down in 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:45.440 your apartment hallway. You're on your way. You keep telling yourself, 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:49.000 just act like you belong. After taking the stairs down 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:52.520 to ground level, you make your way street side. This 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.639 part you feel more confident about. You've been able to 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.840 study the patrol patterns around your media area more carefully. 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:01.880 The bust you're going to is just four blocks away. 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.320 You can zig zig through two streets and to avoid 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.440 the main drags. As you walk through the sidewalks, you 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:09.960 keep your head down, but your eyes are darting side 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:12.640 to side to get a lay of the land. Don't 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:17.400 walk too fast or too slow. Match the people around you. Obviously, 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:19.960 not many people are out right now, but there are 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.600 enough to mirror their movement and pace. It feels like 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:25.640 it took forever, but you get to the bus stop 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.799 without incident or seeing a single cop waiting at bus 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:33.120 stops always feels like an eternity, but today it's worse. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.440 Within a few minutes, the blue metro bus does pull up. 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:41.760 The bus driver gestures you want the electronic ticketing system 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:44.840 isn't turned on. You peek up to the driver. The 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.080 look in her eyes is telling you just a head 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:50.200 on back. At least you know she's probably on your side. 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.480 You picked this bus not because it's the most direct 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:56.600 route to your boyfriend's place. It's not, but because he 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.200 gets you close enough while avoiding the checkpoints you and 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.320 your internet buddy have mapped out. It's a slower, more 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:04.600 jagged route, but at least you get to relax for 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.200 a while and enjoy the ride. And hey, you can 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:08.720 get an in person look at the rest of the 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:12.520 city under the curfew and police occupation. The ride is 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:14.440 now closing in on a little over half an hour, 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:18.080 about ten more minutes until you get off. Your heart's racing, 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:21.880 you might actually do this. In your flash of nervous excitement, 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:25.480 you look up ahead on the road and your face drops. 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.760 About half a mile up ahead, you spot a checkpoint. 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.760 Fuck no, this, this is wrong. This wasn't on the map. 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:35.359 The checkpoint on this street was supposed to be further 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:38.680 up the road. After you get off, your mind flashes 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:43.080 through different possibilities. Did the cops change the checkpoint this morning? Wait? 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.919 Did the police find the database map on telegram and 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:49.000 are getting a false info? You stop yourself from thinking 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:51.960 because you realize you need to act now and think later. 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.359 You jump out of your seat and sprint up the 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.200 bus towards the driver. You blurt out, I need to 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:02.040 get off this right now. Please. The driver looks ahead, 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:05.200 looks at you, and tilts her head down and pulls 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:09.880 over quick. That's all she says to you. You dart 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.320 out of the bus and into the half residential, half 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:17.359 retail labyrinth, and as you're running, you hear sirens. Fuck 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:21.039 they saw you. Your head swivels around to catch a glance. 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.720 One car from the checkpoint is headed your way. You 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.280 hope the bus driver doesn't get in trouble. But right 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:30.599 now that's not your problem, you think. First thing you 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:32.920 need to do is prevent the vehicle from pursuing you. 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:36.560 So off the big streets. You take a second to 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:39.520 tighten the messenger bag around your body. And here we 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.680 go to You're right. You see a walled courtyard for 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:46.120 a small two story apartment. Estimate The wall is eight 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:49.120 feet tall, doable. You turn out the street and run 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:52.040 towards the wall, slowly gaining speed, jump up and planch 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.359 your from the side. Then your arms reach up and 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:56.640 grab the top. It's a bit of a struggle to 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:58.799 pull yourself up. You've got some stuff weighing you down 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.400 and you're a bit out of proctics, but you get up. 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:03.880 You hop down onto the other side and keep going 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.840 for now. You battle through some dense bushes and vault 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:10.240 a few small railings as you traverse the side streets. 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.480 Soon enough you're far enough away from the car, with 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.000 plenty of obstacles in between you and it that you 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:19.200 feel like you can catch a quick breather. Now you 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.440 have a choice hide it out here for a bit, 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.719 or figure out a way to your boyfriends. You still 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.600 got a decent sense of where you are. The destination 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.880 should be only about ten blocks away now in a 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:33.520 diagonal direction, you'll get plenty of time to rest your 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:37.520 boyfriend's place, so you figure you should continue on. As 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.000 you're about to head on your way to armored state 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:44.240 troopers turned the corner on foot, you remember you're still 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:47.320 pretty close to the checkpoint. One look at you with 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.800 your hands on your knees. As you pant. The cops 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:54.520 know you're out of place. Stop, yells the cop. You're 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:58.560 being detained. Fuck, time to book it. Gonna have to 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.640 think as you run. Goods is is that they're in armor? 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:04.440 Bad news is is that you're tired and your outfit 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:06.880 is blown. You can change clothes once you get to 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.080 your boyfriends, So you decide the best course of action 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:11.400 now is to make it hard for two people in 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.360 armor to follow you. Time to put some obstacles between 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.720 you and them. You're already mostly out of the retail area, 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:21.040 which means it's time to hop some backyard fences Ferrerius 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.680 Bueller's day off Shit. You make a sharp left turn 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:25.720 behind the car and into someone's yard and up and 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.400 over their fence. One hand grabs on top, one hand 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.440 goes to the far side, and you flip your body over. 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.680 Next few fences are shorter, regular speed vaults will do. 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.920 The sound of the clinky tactle boots chasing you gets 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.960 quieter as you traverse through the yards and zig zigging 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.640 around blocks. Before you know it, you're on the back 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.640 street of your partner's place. Only a few more steps 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.600 and you can see their backyard in the distance. You 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:50.600 quick in your head and look around. From what you 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.720 can see, you've lost the State troopers. You scurry through 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.880 four more yards before you reach your target. You let 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:59.760 it a sigh of relief. You jogged past the side 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.120 towards the front. You probably should use the front door 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.560 before you knock. You take a look inside your messenger bag. 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:09.840 You unclipped the latch, and inside lies a smushed pile 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:13.760 of cupcake crumbs with pink frosting coating the insides of 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:18.440 your bag. Well, at least I made it in one piece, 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:22.760 you say out loud. After an exhausting trek, you finally 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:32.680 knock on the door. It could happen here. Podcast Robert Evans. 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.760 Sophie is not here today, so I get to open 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:38.920 the episode with a tonal grunting um because she was 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:42.760 unable to stop me. Welcome to the podcast that this 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:46.120 is talking about things falling apart? How to you know 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.960 make it not? Maybe? Uh? My guest today, well, my 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:53.080 my co host today first is Garrison Davis. Garrison, how 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.000 are you doing today? I'm doing good. Good. We have 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:58.160 a little bit of A fun update, This actually happened 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.480 last week, but this will be the first eisode we're 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.400 recording since it happened. UM. Last week we put up 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:06.280 some links to ago fund me in a couple of 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:08.920 different episodes of Bastards and of it could happen here 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:12.280 to try to help a woman named Ruba who lives 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:17.480 in Portland, UM and is a community activists save her house. UM. 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.160 When we started the fundraiser, she'd raised about twenty eight 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:25.000 grand to to you know, get basically keep her home. UM, 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:28.080 and it's up to the fifty grand she needed. Y'all 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:31.280 did that in about three days. UM. So you've you've 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:33.920 you've kept a woman in her home UM and allowed 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.240 her and her family to stay where they are. And 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:40.760 I'm just extremely grateful to everybody who donated, who shared, UM, 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:45.120 it's just awesome. UM. You know this comes after earlier 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.520 in this year you all funded the Portland Diaper Bank. UM. 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:51.560 I just continue to be very impressed with with how 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.480 how much people who listen to these shows are willing 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:58.360 to throw down to help people out. So thank you all, UH, 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:00.600 and now I'm going to hand it off to Garrison. Garrison, 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:01.960 what are we? What are we what are we? What 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.160 are we? What are we? What are we talking about? Today? 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:08.760 So today we're gonna be talking about and discussing two 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:14.320 of kind of my favorite practical skill sets. They been 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:18.760 training for I don't know seven eight, I think almost 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:23.240 eight years now. UM, and it's what, Yeah, one of 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.200 one of my favorite interests. It's useful very practically. It's 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:30.720 also useful for fun. We're talking about parkour, which people 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:32.880 may have heard me discussed before, but also just kind 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:36.040 of like stealth in general, UM, and how to become 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:40.800 mindful of your presence among other people. UM. As a big, 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:45.199 clumsy guy who's worked extensively with you in aggressive situations, 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:49.080 I can confirm that your parkour is very very effective 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:50.880 because you are a fast, little set of a bit 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:55.680 very good at getting away from the cops and getting 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:57.360 to where you need to be to film things. It 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:01.439 was always, um, kind of a amazing as frustrating as 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:03.520 it was sometimes when you would when you would start 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.160 out ahead of everybody, but yeah, I can't argue with 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:10.440 the results. So and to help us kind of talk 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:14.720 about parkorn stealth, I have brought on a friend of 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:19.600 mine who is the person who mostly taught me um, 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:23.520 Parker and stealth. My friend Rick, who has been teaching 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:28.720 Parker for a long time, UM, say hi Rick, that 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.800 that that's right. Rick is very not super social, so 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.000 it's I think it's amazing that I was able to 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:38.000 convince him to come in a podcast. Pretty funny. Um. 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:39.640 First off, Rick, do you want to kind of just 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:42.360 like give your definition of like park or in general, 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.360 because I know whenever we say Parker, everyone just thinks 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:48.000 to the office, um, which I know you find frustrating, 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.360 but yeah, for people who maybe aren't as into it 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:53.840 as us, do you want to give the kind of 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:58.040 a brief overview of of Parker as like a concept? Uh, 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:04.800 Parker is really annoying concept to actually pin down. UM, 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:10.079 But basically speaking, its movement with purpose. You are somewhere, 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:13.120 you want to get somewhere, and you're trying to find 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.160 the best way of doing that. When we're training, we 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:21.760 kind of focus on efficiency, safety, speed, and the reason 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:27.440 behind the movement. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's thinking of 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:29.400 it more as like the movement with purpose or like 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:32.960 like intentional movement UM is much better than thinking of 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:36.440 it's like Parkour isn't like flips like flips, and that 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.880 kind of stuff is more of what we call like 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:42.880 UM free running. It's it's more of like a creative expression. 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:44.200 It's more of like a kind of kind of like 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.400 a sport, whereas like Parker is more usually I mean, 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:49.400 there's always gonna people that are going to fight you 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:51.440 on this in the park, in the Parker community, but 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.320 it's generally Parker is kind of more based on utility. 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:58.120 So like last last summer at the protests, I I 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.160 used you know, park Or in a lot of different ways, 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.720 both to like you know, get somewhere specifically or park 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:05.560 Or is grade is like a recovery tool, like if 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.560 you get pushed over by cops. UM, park Work would 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:10.920 be very useful for like getting up very fast. You know. 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.440 It's like all that kind of more practical side of things. 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:15.400 And I've used Parker you know before I was doing 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:19.199 filming at different kind of activism related type things. It's 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.400 just just it's a super useful skill to have. UM 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:24.360 And today I wanted to talk talk a bit about 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:29.400 like Parker's practical application in you know, conflict ish scenarios, 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:34.880 but also wanted to touch on stealth um as you know, 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:38.720 sometimes you don't need Parker and if you can avoid 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.960 a scenario where you have to use it would be 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:43.319 kind of great. So I've asked Rick to kind of 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:45.880 prepare a few things on stealth, which then we'll kind of, 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:47.959 you know, bounce off each other and talk kind of 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.360 a general general discussion of Parker and stealth in general 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:55.439 and how it relates to kind of conflict scenarios. Um, So, Rick, 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:59.960 where would you like to start for you know, stealth overview? Well, 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:05.480 in conflict with other people, there's like three different levels 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:11.040 of the conflict um and all of these get trained 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:17.480 in different places. Usually there's the actual um like conflict. 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:21.400 The combat, which is more of a martial arts or 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.440 gun training or weapon training of any kind as well, 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:28.720 compares you for that Beneath that is the Parker level, 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.480 where you can avoid getting into the conflict in the 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.800 first place. If you can get away from the situation. Yeah, 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:36.440 if you're more of an arm's length of way, then 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.480 you can create more distance between you and someone it's 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:43.440 trying to hurt you. And in nine percent of conflict situations, 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.600 that's going to be a better self defense option than 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.920 literally any weapon you could carry. Getting the hell away 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:52.760 is always the preferred there's there's there's a really good comic. 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.520 Um it's it's like it's it's like a it's like 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.400 a like like a comedy comic of like someone someone 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.160 trying to get into a knife fight and you're just like, nope, 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:05.080 I'm running away because there's no there's no winner in 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.720 a knife fight. The only way to win a knife 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.240 fight is to be oh far away from someone with 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.560 a knife. Yeah, I mean literally, Again, the only justified 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.240 situation I can think of to physically getting into a 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.640 knife fight is like what happened on the Portland Max 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.560 train when someone else can't get away. Yeah, you're stuck, 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:23.880 gonna stick to them. And the two guys who did 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:27.320 that died. They died. Yeah yeah, um, not that they 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:29.320 did the wrong thing. They did the only thing they could. 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:32.280 But that's what a knife fight is. So yeah, it's 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:34.160 being able to get the funk away is the best 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:38.600 self defense. Yeah. I carry weapons with me wherever I go, 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:42.160 but I don't want to ever use them. My first 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:45.720 response is always going to be look for an escape path. 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:50.040 Yeah yeah, yeah. A weapon is only for if you 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.680 can't get away or if someone else can't get away. 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:56.600 So pretty much like yeah, well, yeah, I've always been 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.880 interested because again I've watched you know, Garrison hop away 0:15:59.880 --> 0:16:02.720 from cops over fences where I had to like, you know, 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:07.760 fall over the fence essentially because I'm not nearly as good. 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.840 I'm someone who exercises. But like number one, is it 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.480 even possible to like learn this stuff without fucking your 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.240 thirty three year old body up a bunch in the process. 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:20.840 That's a lot of scared of is like over sixty, 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:25.520 and he's good, very good. He's actually like one of 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:31.480 my high intermediate, low advanced students, honestly, and he started 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:36.400 when he was like fifty. How do you uh, I 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.600 mean like it? It just seems like injury, I guess 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.800 because my my my stereotypical view of it is like 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:46.560 a bunch of jumping up on buildings and leaping over stuff, like, um, 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:50.840 it seems like injuries would be a pretty common fact. Um, 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:52.960 So I guess that's kind of like always been my 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.320 first concern there, like how do you how do you 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.240 how do you train people to do this stuff with 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:01.640 a minimum of risk? Well, that's kind of always the 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:05.200 focus of my teaching. There certainly are other instructors out there, 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.720 like the guy who taught me Parker was basically, this 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.040 is a con vault. This is what it looks like. 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:16.040 Do it my training, Like, I sucked at Parker when 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:19.119 I started, So my teaching method has been coming at 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.439 this as a sort of Okay, I'm gonna try to 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:24.640 break this down into as many pieces as I can, 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:28.960 and I'm going to try to keep you completely safe. Um, 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:32.160 Bumps and bruises do happen when you're training Parker. That's 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:37.280 just unavoidable. It's learning how to do walking but fancy. 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.320 So you get bruised when you're learning how to walk. 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:43.159 You get bruised when you're learning every technique in Parker. 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.199 But I've been doing it for fourteen years now and 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:49.560 I've never broken any of my bones. If you do 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:51.800 it right, you should be able to stay safe when 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:56.800 training you. Definitely, if you can get someone who's more experienced, 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.720 getting them to break down steps for you was very useful. 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:01.680 Either that be like a park Ord gym in your 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.000 area or just like a friend that that's that's been 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:07.359 that's been messing around trying to like train with somebody 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:09.760 is probably one of the most important things, um, is 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:11.680 to have someone else there both if you like want 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:13.719 like get hurt, you need help, but to to kind 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:15.960 of prevent to help prevent that from even happening in 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:17.840 the first place, because there's a lot of like very 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:21.520 simple moves that can be introduced in very safe environments. 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.600 I've I've I've been wanting to get Roberts down to 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:26.399 the gym for like over a year now, just to 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:28.840 go over like a few basic kind of stuff that's 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:32.159 just really really useful, pretty and like pretty easy. Like 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:35.159 we're not we're not jumping to like you know, doing 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.199 like roof topping right where we're like jumping from one 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:39.560 roof to another. We're starting by we're starting by being like, 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:42.399 here's like a concrete barricade. What's the safest way of 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.439 getting over this if you're under pressure? Right? It's it's 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.040 it's it's that kind of stuff that's specifically useful and 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.640 like conflict scenarios, right, because like when we're when we're 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:51.160 facing in a riot line, I'm not gonna be doing 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.840 like flips and cart wheels to like get over fences. 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.359 I'm trying to be like, what's the safest, fastest way 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.520 I can get over this thing? Well, making sure I'm 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:00.719 not going to get like shot with the of a bullet. Right, 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.119 that's kind of it's it's it's it's it's very different 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:04.879 from like what you see on like YouTube. Right, YouTube 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:07.040 is very like showy people are like trying to like 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:09.119 basically when what you see on YouTube is people are 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:13.240 doing people are doing like a choreographic performance, whereas Parker 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.080 from a utility standpoint is very different from what you 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:21.159 see online. Yeah, And that's one of the things that 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:23.840 we try to train to when we're training Parker is 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:27.120 we just give ourselves an environment and say, okay, I'm 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:29.800 going now, yeah, and like do it over and over 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:32.320 again and try to figure out what's the best way 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:35.080 of getting over this specific path. Right, if you can 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:37.280 like make a designed path, be like, you know, even 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.360 doing this at like a playground or like any any 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:41.240 place with like logs, you know, you can do Parker 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:43.159 in the forest and stuff, be like I'm just like 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:45.919 setting this path and experiment with how many ways can 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:49.280 I move through this kind of set set of obstacles, um, 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:51.159 And you can kind of figure out Parker on your 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:53.920 own in in in that kind of way, because because 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:56.120 your body knows what it's gonna do, like, you know, 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:58.760 people have been moving like this for thousands and thousands 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.120 of years. It's only in the past few hundred years 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:03.520 where we've like kind of lost this ability, or it's 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:07.159 like become it's become less necessary. So like we we 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:10.080 know how to interact with our environment in creative ways, 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.159 like we we we know how to do this, but 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:16.960 just that, you know, we the past, the past few centuries, 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:19.639 it's been less important. And I think Parker is really 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.119 fun because you can kind of rediscover interacting with your 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:25.440 environment in these, you know, kind of more wild ways. 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:30.080 It's something that we all do as children, just like 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:34.560 evolutionarily for some reason, as children we do this as play. 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:38.240 We climb trees and we try to go over fences. 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:41.960 It's just that something in our society has made a 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:45.480 shift so that when we become adults, it's suddenly not 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:48.879 acceptable for us to do this anymore. Yeah, I mean, 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:50.480 I can remember when I was a little kid growing 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:52.560 up on the farm. We had a bullpen because we 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:55.439 kept the bowl away from the cows, and my my 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:57.560 cousin I would hop over the fence and we would 0:20:57.560 --> 0:20:59.240 throw stuff at the bowl and then when it started 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:02.439 to charge, we would back over the fence. I mean, 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:04.280 obviously I'd never do that today because it's mean to 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:06.280 throw things at a bowl. I was six. But also 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:09.760 I couldn't physically hop over the fence that way today. 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:14.159 But I'm guessing within like, I don't know, even just 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:16.000 like a few hours of practice, you could figure out 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:17.560 a lot of ways together. I could be back to 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:21.360 fucking with bowls. Is what exactly? You don't need to 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:25.480 kiss kiss the bull fucking goodbye? You can? We can? 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:28.640 We can go back to this. We could go I could, 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:42.040