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Speaker 1: up to higher and higher things. You always want to

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00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 1: start at ground level when you're training park corps. Don't

429
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 1: go up to high places for your first thing. Yeah.

430
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: I think there there's a lot of like instructional videos

431
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: on YouTube to that that are not just like showing off.

432
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: It's actually people trying to break down movements. So you

433
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 1: can like get find a specific video and be like, Okay,

434
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: I want to, you know, bring this on my phone,

435
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: go out into like a playground, a parking lot, like

436
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 1: like a wooded area, and be like, okay, this is

437
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: this is this one vault. I'm gonna watch the video

438
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna try to replicate it myself. That's really

439
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,719
Speaker 1: the the kind of easiest, cheapest way to kind of

440
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 1: break that down without having to you know, pay someone

441
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: tons of money. Um. You know, if parker classes aren't

442
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: the most expensive thing. Um so that's if you do

443
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: have a little bit of disposable income. I I like

444
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: park work classes. I did them for a long time,

445
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: but there was a certain point actually that like I

446
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: couldn't afford classes anymore. And luckily I've been doing park

447
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: whore enough at that point that I was able to

448
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: become an assistant instructor, which means I've got like a

449
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: free I got like a free membership in exchange for

450
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: you know, helping out in classes, like a few hours

451
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: a week. So that's what that's what I did for

452
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: years when I couldn't afford classes. Is it's just helps

453
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: help teach, which I mean eventually I got leveled up

454
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: to being like a full time instructor. Um. So that

455
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 1: is kind of the other way is, you know, once

456
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: you get enough stuff, there are you know, there's there's

457
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: ways you can make friends who know more park or

458
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 1: than you. You can do you know, outdoor training with them,

459
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: which can be free. Um, but if you if you

460
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 1: do really want like a like a gym environment, there

461
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: is there's ways of making classes, not the most expensive things.

462
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: There's online groups that schedule meetups every now and then,

463
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: so if you can find an online group in your area,

464
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: you can go to one of their meetups and ask

465
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: for advice. Not everyone's going to give the best advice.

466
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: There are some people in the park or community who

467
00:24:55,400 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: are always pushing their boundaries. They'll be in an cast

468
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: half of the time. Um, the more advanced people, yeah,

469
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: they generally, so always take advice with a grain of salt.

470
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: Not everyone knows everything, and no one knows your body

471
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: as well as you do. So you've got to keep

472
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 1: yourself safe above everything else. You can't get better at

473
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: park or if you break both of your legs. Yeah,

474
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: that's always So a couple of questions here. Number one

475
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: would be obviously, I don't expect, you know, like somebody's

476
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: in Michigan or whatever. I don't expect you to know

477
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: the best parkour instructor there. But if somebody is looking

478
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: at going the gym route, are there kind of some

479
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: hard and fast rules for determining whether or not these

480
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: folks know what they're doing? Like, is there any kind

481
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: of advice you have in terms of picking a gym

482
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: or is it just kind of like go into Google

483
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: maps and see see where the parkouri be. That's a

484
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: little bit tough because especially since COVID, there's not many

485
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: options for park or gins out here. Um, my best

486
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: advice would be go and if they let you just

487
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: watch a class and see what's going on. Um, see

488
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: how many people have casts? Yeah, yeah, back when I

489
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: was learning Parker, originally we would have basically two people

490
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: in a cast all the time, just for the class. Yeah.

491
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: I didn't know that the guy that I was trying

492
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: to keep up with the whole times span three stints

493
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: in a cast. Yeah, just funny because I've never got

494
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: a serious injury ever. I was. I was always more

495
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: careful in my training, but like, the most I've gotten

496
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: is like is like you know, like bruises and stuff.

497
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: I've I've I've and I got to a relatively high

498
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: level of Parker, like if years ago only took classes

499
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: for me, but focus was always on breaking things down

500
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: and making them accessible and safe. True true, yeah, yeah,

501
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: but there as there's definitely people who are more who

502
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: are more carefree with their body and okay with themselves

503
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: to do something cool. Yeah, and some people will get

504
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: away with that. So for folks who are there don't

505
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: have the financial means to go to a gym where

506
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: there's just nothing in their area because as you said,

507
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: there's a plague. Um, if people are gonna you've given

508
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,239
Speaker 1: some advice and like how to start trying yourself. Are

509
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: there any specific online resources you would recommend to folks

510
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: who are you know, looking to get on unless on

511
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: their own dip their toes in? Um, you know YouTube

512
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: channels or or people who you know do good like

513
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: writing breakdowns, anything that you would, uh, you would push

514
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: folks towards. I haven't been up to date on it recently. UM.

515
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 1: A lot of the videos out there are garbage. UM.

516
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: What I recommend you look for is you look for

517
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: first of all, explanation. UM. Second of all, if you

518
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: can find videos of someone who's training something and they

519
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: failed to do the move that they're trying to do

520
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: correctly and they fail to do the move that they're

521
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: trying to do correctly. They fail and fail and fail

522
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: and fail and then succeed. M hm. That's an honest idea.

523
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: That's one that I would listen to more because they

524
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: understand the process. The other videos out there are sort

525
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: of greatest hits compilations and you don't get to see

526
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: the whole process that goes into that. So I don't

527
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: have a sense. I don't have any specific person or

528
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: channel to recommend, but when you're going out there and

529
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 1: looking for resources, just make sure that the person is

530
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: being some understanding into the fact that this is the

531
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: process of training and it's not just this is how

532
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: it's done. Do it now, you can do it. There

533
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: is there is a there's like a parkore wiki which

534
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: was like you know, parkour dot fandom dot com that

535
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: you can you can find like just like lists of

536
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: all of the moves and they give you very like

537
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: simple explanations of them and they and they link to

538
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: some videos um and generally like if if you just

539
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: want to learn more about it, then that's then that

540
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: can be a good resource, just so you're familiar with

541
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: all the different types of movement. But yeah, like make

542
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: sure you take every video with a grain of salt,

543
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: and you know, watch other watch other people's explanations and

544
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, I kind of like the way this

545
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: person describes it versus this person, because you know, everyone

546
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: teaches differently. Everyone teaches for kind of you know, different

547
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: differently body types for different like you know, body like

548
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: performance models. Um. So you know, because you can't just

549
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: apply the same thing to everyone because everyone's everyone is different.

550
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: But you know, the parkar WICKI is a decent resource. Um.

551
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: And then you know there's YouTube is especially since since

552
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: the two thousand's there's been a plethora of content, most

553
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: of most of it bad, but you know there's lots

554
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: to at least look for. Alright, Um, anything else you

555
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: wanted to get into, Yeah, I wanted to kind of

556
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: branch off of like the parkour discussion into kind of like, uh,

557
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: the more kind of stealth based discussion of of kind

558
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: of being aware of your presence in relation to other

559
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: people and recond I know you were talking about like

560
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: the different levels of stealthy. So you've got the combat

561
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: training which prevents you from getting killed or captured in uh,

562
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: the worst of scenarios, and then we have Parker that

563
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: you can use to prevent the combat in the first place,

564
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: and stealth is what you use to prevent the chase

565
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: from happening in the first place. It's kind of a

566
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: tree of I really don't want to have to fight someone,

567
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: so I'm going to run away instead. I really don't

568
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: want to have to run away from someone, so I'm

569
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: just going to try and not to be noticed by

570
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: them instead. And that's been a lot of what my

571
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: training in Parker has been focused around, is just staying

572
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: de escalated as possible with everything. Yeah, because we me

573
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: and Rick have focused most of our Parker training on

574
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: on stealth UM as opposed to being you know, super

575
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: strong or super powerful UM. And Stealth's always a really

576
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: hard concept to talk about because it's kind of like

577
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: nebulous in nature, because stealth isn't being invisible, right, It's

578
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: it's not it's not being totally unnoticed. It's want It's

579
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: it's it's wanting to craft the way you're seen in

580
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: a specific way. Yeah. Um, it's always been very difficult

581
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: for me to explain what stealth is. The most recent

582
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: definition that I've given for it is that everything that

583
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: you do, everything that you are, gives off a certain

584
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: amount of noise and a certain type of noise. So

585
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: the way that you dress. You can dress in a

586
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: very loud way with the hive is vest day glow, colors, um,

587
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: something that makes you really easy to notice. But if

588
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: you're in the right environment, that might be the right

589
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: type of noise to be making to blend into a crowd.

590
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: Like a three piece suit is also a very loud

591
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: outfit to wear, but if you're on the streets of

592
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: New York, that's normal. If you come into a park

593
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: origin wearing a three piece suit, it's very abnormal. So

594
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: that's not the right type of noise if you're trying

595
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: to blend in there. Yeah, a lot of it's about

596
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: kind of constructing the way people see you based on

597
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: what environment you're in and who you're trying to remain

598
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: undetected from, right, because I mean they're like not even

599
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: necessarily undetected, but just detected in a specific way because

600
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: people eyes. People's eyes can glaze over a lot of

601
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. If if just that the right

602
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: puzzle pieces are put into their brain, that it's like

603
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: nothing nothing to see here. Every everything is normal, nothing

604
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: not nothing to be alerted, right, because what you're trying

605
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: to do is prevent someone from being like alerted to

606
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: your presence. That is kind of the main thing. So

607
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: you can be than someone's sitelines, but the way that

608
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: you're dressed, the way that you're moving, the way that

609
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: you hold yourself fails to get their attention. They're subconscious

610
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: registers that you're there, but it doesn't register consciously to

611
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: them that you're there. It's the gray Man stuff that

612
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: we were talking about with Chelsea, which again there's very

613
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: frustrating chutty dimension to it. But the the original idea,

614
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: before it got taken over as an entire fashion aesthetic,

615
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: was if you're prepared, if you're if you're going to

616
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: make yourself prepared for badge situations, you don't want to

617
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: wear a bunch of tactical gear. You don't want to

618
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: be dressed in like five combat pants. You don't want

619
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: to be carrying like military backpacks and like the cargo

620
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: pants with the you know, clearly bulging with weaponry. You

621
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: don't want to be open carrying a gun. You want

622
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: to be dressed, however, is going to least to least

623
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: set you apart from the crowd. And that is, as

624
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: you said, got a very no, it's not a matter

625
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: of like wearing all gray or wearing all black. Um,

626
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: you're in downtown Salt Lakes, you know, a black hoodie

627
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,239
Speaker 1: and jeans might stand out more than it does if

628
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: you're in downtown San Francisco, in which case you're gonna

629
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: look like a million other people. I mean, and and generally,

630
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: if you're trying to avoid being seen, I recommend against

631
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: wearing black basically at at all times, especially if you're

632
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: trying to remain like actually invisible at night. You don't

633
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: want to wear black because black is usually too dark. Um,

634
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: you you want to wear like darker blues or darker greens. Um. Yeah,

635
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: generally black is should be avoided. Um. Of course, like

636
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: black block is a whole separate thing because black block

637
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: are trying to remain anonymous within a crowd context. But

638
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, in a lot of cases, you don't want

639
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: to be in black block at protests, or you want

640
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: to be able to switch from black block to what

641
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: we call like normy block very quickly. So like you know,

642
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 1: quick changes are another kind of form of stealth um

643
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: that you can like practice like you can you can

644
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: just practice doing quick changes like in your apartment, be

645
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: like how fast can I get from this outfit to

646
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: this outfit? Um in like a small space, right, you can?

647
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: You can? You can back to these even like side

648
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: but specifically for like black block, changing both in and

649
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: out of is a skill that needs to be practiced. Um.

650
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: But overall, I think like there's a lot of other

651
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: ways of being anonymous at a protest besides actually black block, Like,

652
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot of other kind of methods. Like black

653
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: blocks are very specific tactic, but it's not a tactic

654
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: that needs to get applied all the time. It's it's

655
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: it's very you should be mindful that it has a

656
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: lot of downsides. Um And based on what you're trying

657
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: to do, there's a lot of other ways to dress

658
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: that would maybe be better. Um yeah, yeah, it's this

659
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: um yeah, it's a little bit like angles of it

660
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: are kind of what we talked about even in like

661
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: the last week when we were talking about like storing,

662
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, food and canning food and like the value

663
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: of paying attention to the cycle of like what is

664
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: in stock and what is not stocked in stock during

665
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: what seasons. It's kind of the same thing at the

666
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: value of paying attention to how people dress and how

667
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: people move and like what is a normal way to

668
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: move about and wherever you live as opposed to like

669
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: what stands out like it, there's a lot of value

670
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: and a lot of self defense value and just kind

671
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: of paying attention to people wherever you live and getting

672
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: an eye for what will stand out and what won't

673
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: stand out. If you're if you, if you are someone

674
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: for whom being able to blend in is something you

675
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: see value in, you know, Yeah, Rick, do do Do

676
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: you have any things kind of on that side of

677
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: things or any like exercises people can do to improve

678
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: their own personal stealth. Yeah, it's very very situational. You

679
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: have to sort of study many different environments. The biggest

680
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: advice that I give people for stealth all the time is, um,

681
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: pay attention. You have to pay attention to the smallest

682
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: details when I'm even just moving around my house, like

683
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: the bathroom door lock. Um, when you twist the lock,

684
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: the button pops out and makes a huge noise. I

685
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: actually place my thumb over it and deaden the sound

686
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: as I'm doing it, and I pay attention to the

687
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: kind of noise that I make in every situation and

688
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: try to minimize that as much as possible. I pay

689
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: attention to which parts of my house make noise when

690
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: you step on them and avoid those places. Um I UM. Basically,

691
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: just pay attention to every noise that my body makes,

692
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: that my environment makes as I'm moving through it. Also,

693
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: you have to pay attention and study other people in

694
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: different environments. You can go to a grocery store and

695
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: watch the body language of the moms who are shopping

696
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: with their kids, so that the people that normally you

697
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't pay attention to pay attention to them because they're

698
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: doing a good job of blending in if you're not

699
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: normally paying attention to them, and then try to start

700
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: mimicking their body language. What I'll do when I go

701
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: out is I don't directly look at anyone, but I'm

702
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: paying attention to if I'm being paid attention to give

703
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: myself that own that conscious feedback and say, hey, I

704
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,959
Speaker 1: wasn't all that stealthy this time, I kind of stuck out. Yeah,

705
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: practicing your peripheral vision is definitely useful for that. I

706
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: mean in terms of like exercises. Yeah, just going to

707
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: like parks or other places where there's a lot of

708
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: people and like people watching and trying to figure out

709
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: who does your eyes glaze over the most and what

710
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: what are they doing to cause that. I think one

711
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: one thing that me and Rick have talked about before

712
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 1: is like every part of your body points somewhere, like

713
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: whether that be your eyes, your nose, your chin, your arms,

714
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: your hips, your chest, your hands, all of these things

715
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: point in a direction. And if you can figure out

716
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: which direction you can point them to make people pay

717
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: less attention to you. That's kind of one of the

718
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: easier models of understanding how to like walk and move

719
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: in a stealthy manner that I think like out of

720
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: all the different ways of thinking about and I think

721
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: that's the way that's helped me the most. Um it's

722
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: being like, you know, if if my head is pointed

723
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: up and my nose is pointed out and I'm moving

724
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: my arms around a lot, that's people are gonna like

725
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: like look at me more. You know, people if if

726
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: if if I can't act is made that is like

727
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: a failure. So you know, if your head's pointed down,

728
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: your arms are more slouched, they kind of move with

729
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: your body, but that's not super exaggerated and it's not

730
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: super stiff. These are different kind of ways of pointing

731
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: your body to make you seem more like UM introspective

732
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: UM and less external. Also walking around with UM ear

733
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: plugs or like like like uh earbuds, ear phones, those

734
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: are ways people will pay attention class to you looking

735
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: at your smartphone. Yeah, one of the back when we

736
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: back when I took classes with you and taught classes,

737
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: we we would would we would have like a weekly

738
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: a weekly games class um where we'd have different you

739
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: know games and related to park Ore and you know,

740
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: stealth would always kind of be something I would try

741
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: to do. And you could survive so long in stealth

742
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: games by just like looking like pretending that you're looking

743
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: at your phone, like not even actually doing it. Just

744
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: like walking in like a circle around like walking in

745
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: a circle around the arena as people are trying to

746
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: like tag and stuff. And if you can just like

747
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: walk with your head down kind of slowly, you can

748
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: strive a ridiculously long time because people are looking for

749
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: people that are like around and being like and being

750
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: super energy energetic, and if you're not, people aren't detecting

751
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: you as much. Another thing to practice would be quiet walking,

752
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: which is we kind of mentioned before. It's like learning

753
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: how to move your foot and interact with different surfaces

754
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,479
Speaker 1: that makes your walking basically silent, which is very fun

755
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: because you can use this to scare your friends. It's it's,

756
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: it's it's it's very exciting to to to to to

757
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: like to try to figure out what's what's ways I

758
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: can hide in my friend's house to like jump scare them,

759
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: or like how close can I get behind someone with

760
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: with with without them noticing that. There'd be times I

761
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: can just like walk up behind someone and wait, like

762
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: I kid you, not like ten minutes before they noticed

763
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: I was there. It's hilarious. UM. I feel even better

764
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: when I can do that to their pets because generally

765
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: the animals are paying more attention to everything. So if

766
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: you can successfully sneak up on someone's cat, you're doing

767
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: it right. Yeah. Oh man, I do really enjoy stealth,

768
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: and I'll be happy to practice it more regularly once

769
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: the plug is over. Um. If it's over um. Any

770
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: other kind of stealth notes that you would want to

771
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: kind of bring up for if someone's trying to like

772
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: get into stealth and start to start thinking about detection,

773
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: you know, more often in their everyday life. It's very

774
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: important that you engage in indirect observations. You you were

775
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: talking about how everything points and one of the things

776
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: that we subconsciously notice the most is people's eyes were

777
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: kind of programmed to notice eyes. So if you're looking

778
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: directly at someone, they're probably gonna notice that you've noticed them.

779
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: But if you're using your peripheral vision, or if instead

780
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: of watching them, you're watching a reflection of them, or

781
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: if you're watching their shadow um, or you're not even

782
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: looking in their direction instead you're tracking them by sound,

783
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: it makes it so that you have a big one

784
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: up on everyone around you. In Indirect observation is one

785
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: of the best tools that you can use UM if

786
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: you get really clever it Now this this, this, this

787
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: is harder because it actually if if you if you

788
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: if you do this wrong, people people, people will pay

789
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: more attention to you. But you can get good at it.

790
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: Start using like your phone camera or even just your

791
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: phone screen, because like your black phone screen is pretty,

792
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: is pretty, is pretty reflective in nature, so you can

793
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: use this as like a mirror um But like yeah,

794
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: using like phone cameras and phone screens as a reflective

795
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: surface or or just as like a camera can be

796
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: used in indirect observation. But you do have to be

797
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 1: careful because if if if it looks like you're filming somebody,

798
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna pay so much more attention to you. So yeah,

799
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: you have, you have. You have to be very careful

800
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: with this method, but it is possible. This is how

801
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: I kind of this is how I um, this is

802
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: how it's like documented different like um not sees that rallies.

803
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: If I don't want to be like super obvious that

804
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: that I'm taking a picture of them, there's ways of

805
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: doing indirect observation with my phone that I can like

806
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: get pictures of them from certain angles to be like okay,

807
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: now now I can put you, I can add you

808
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: to my to my folder of Nazis that have showed

809
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: up UM that method. You have to be super careful

810
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 1: if you're surrounded by potentially hostile people. Anyone who's behind

811
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: you is going to see that your phone camera is on.

812
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: So it's something that you only want to use if

813
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: people are on one side of you, or you know,

814
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: you keep you you you use your body as a

815
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: shield for certain for certain like angles be tricky the

816
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: hoodie and uh increase your odds of success with that.

817
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: But but but most often I would recommend against this method,

818
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: especially if you're just starting out, because it is it

819
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: is a lot more risky. Um. But when it does work,

820
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: it can come in very handy. But but more often

821
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: than not, using using like reflections like windows, mirrors, you know,

822
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: like a car, windows, puddles on the ground, shadows, sound,

823
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: all of these different methods of observing someone without looking

824
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: directly at them are generally much much safer um and

825
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: they can be very useful for for trying to track

826
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: someone or to be aware of what they're looking at

827
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: without looking directly at them. Um. Kind of more similar

828
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: to like what I talked about in like the fictional

829
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: opening we did for stealth is very dependent on what

830
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: you know is trying to watch you righte Like like

831
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,479
Speaker 1: how you need to be aware of the ways people

832
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: are trying to detect you. Of course, this canine units.

833
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: It's very very different than just being being yeah, than

834
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: being like chased down on foot um or you know,

835
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: like security cameras of course, like online tracking, which we're

836
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: not we're not really getting into today. But you know,

837
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: like being aware of where security cameras are mapped out,

838
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 1: um can be can be very useful. Learning to learning

839
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: to figure out where they are without looking directly at

840
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: them can be useful. There's a lot of cities have

841
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: websites that like map out where where all the cameras are. Um.

842
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: I know there's one from Portland that you can like

843
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: map out all of the cameras in downtown and then

844
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: you can like plan like a route through downtown that

845
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: has no cameras watching right. There's there's only there there's

846
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: only very few routes that that actually have that, but

847
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: but they do exist. Um. So learning to move in

848
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: ways that make cameras less able to spot you, um

849
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 1: those that's definitely another kind of method of learning about

850
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: stealth and learning about like how surveillance works looking directly

851
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: at the camera. But that's that's that's definitely useful. Which

852
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: intention where they are, yeah, which plays into which plays

853
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: into indirect observation. Um. But I mean this gets more tricky.

854
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 1: We know when police are using like thermal drones. Uh,

855
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: this is its whole whole whole other side of things

856
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: that it's very hard too. Sex side of thing is

857
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: hard to combat and it's yeah, yeah, there will be

858
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 1: a point in time in which it becomes effectively impossible

859
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: to the editor for cameras. Yeah, there's like there's there's

860
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: like a hierarchy of worry because yeah, if because if,

861
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 1: like the n s A wants to find you, they will,

862
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: but most often they're not, Like most often people are

863
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: dealing with their local law enforcement unit. Most often people

864
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: are not dealing with the FBI. Most people people usually

865
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: dealing with the FBI, CIA or an s A. If

866
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: if they want to find you, they will. But if

867
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: you can learn to only interact with your surroundings in

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00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: a way that would only concern your local police department,

869
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: that's much easier too. That's much easier to kind of

870
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Speaker 1: combat against uma because it's it's way easier to hide

871
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: from you know, your local department than it is from

872
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: the n s A. All right, um, anything else? I

873
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 1: think that pretty much covers everything. Yeah, I think that's

874
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: a good that's a SDE. Great, it's a cast that

875
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: we have potted. Um all right, Um, we got any

876
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: any plugables here to plug at the end before we

877
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: before we roll out me. Yeah, no, you don't find

878
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,479
Speaker 1: me alone. Don't don't find him. This is the most

879
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: visible you've ever been. Yeah, so is there any um,

880
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 1: I don't know a fundraise or charity for someone else

881
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: that you want to highlight. Not currently now you are?

882
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: You do try to be uh? You do? Try to

883
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: be a virtual ninja? All right? Well, all plug something.

884
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: One of our fans is putting together a graphic novel

885
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: about the famed anarchist militant of the Spanish Civil War

886
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: when even showed a Druty. So if you just go

887
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: to type Druty and too Kickstarter, you'll find the graphic

888
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: novel Kickstarter. UM check it out. It's cool. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I guess other things I'll close with his learned to

890
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: walk quietly, learn to observe, learn to observe your surroundings. Um,

891
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: keep these things, practice, practice, practice with other people. Don't

892
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: don't don't do this alone. It's really useful to have

893
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: stealth be a collaborative process, because stealth isn't Stealth isn't

894
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: by itself, isn't just about you. It's about you and

895
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: your whole environment. Um, collaborate with the CVS clerk. When

896
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: you robbed the CVS stealthily, that is that is a

897
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: different podcast I'm working on, is that How to Shop

898
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 1: the Shoplifting Cast. I mean, yeah, that is something I

899
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: will pitch very soon. Anyway, had trouble getting sponsors for

900
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: the shoplifting podcast, I will tell you that. And it's difficult.

901
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: If you could actually get CVS to sponsor that big shoplifting,

902
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: I mean, we are giving them a lot of free

903
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: advertising if if if it does, if it does happen. Anyway,

904
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: most people who shoplift also spend. That's true. That is

905
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,959
Speaker 1: one of the best ways to shoplift is to buy

906
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: other things. In this story I'm seeing, I'm I'm already

907
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: giving out advice. Um, yeah, that that is how I

908
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: always shoplifted back when I shoplifted, Yeah, back when I

909
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: did that twenty years ago. That's what That's how I

910
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: did it as well. I feel like if Sophie were here,

911
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: she'd be trying to back pedal right now and stop

912
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Speaker 1: you guys, So, if you support shoplifting, this is a

913
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: very pro shoplifting podcast. Anyway, that's the podcast. It could

914
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Speaker 1: happen here is a production of cool Zone Media. Well

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