WEBVTT - Ep. 151: Body of Water 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.720 This is a me eat podcast coming in you shirtless 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:18.319 severely vote bitten in my case underwear lessening podcast. You 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:28.560 can't predict anything, um me and the lavin ego. Here 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:30.000 did a little duck hunt in this morning? Is that 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:32.879 make you jealous? Christum browse? It does? It does? I 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:35.680 did a little driving this morning, did you? We're all 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:39.640 enjoying the wilds uh do, Christie Wound? If you run 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:42.880 through a couple of news points, love issues, let's do introductions. 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:48.720 I'll introduce you. Okay, sounds good? Uh. Author, I don't 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:52.240 get to say this very often. Author and poet Julia 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:55.560 Husain had books of poetry. Come on, don't start with that. 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.520 You don't believe me kidding? He had, He had multiple 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:01.000 works of poetry and one of the Iraq War was 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:03.400 going on. I would often catch myself saying, um, the 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:08.200 novelist and poet Saddam Hussein because he had published novels 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:14.440 and published books of poetry similar Similar to Saddam, krist 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.360 Dombrowski has, No, you don't have any novels, novels, not 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:20.640 yet books of poetry. I think that you're probably the 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:28.800 first poet, the first actual real live publishing poet that 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:32.880 we had on the show. That's fantastic, But I mean 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:37.319 the only three of you. Harrison's dead, right, that's true, 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:42.160 that's true. It was his birthday yesterday, by the way. 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:47.000 Oh it was. Yeah. Chris used used to guide, used 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:48.800 to you were like a guide for Jim Harris. Yeah, 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:52.040 I wrote Jim down the river. Guiding is probably a 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:56.480 you know, not quite an accurate an exchange of money. No, No, 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:59.240 you guys are just hanging out and and every time 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.240 I would you have an idea, he would say, go 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.760 to the other bank, you know. So if anything he 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:08.240 was he was guiding, but not rowing. So you were 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:14.160 just like a facilitator, facilitator, a wine opener, dispenser of 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:17.360 chicken thighs like you got a lot of you know, 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.520 as a guide, right, you've seen the thousand people cast? Right? 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:26.320 Is he a good fisherman? He was an exceptionally good caster. Absolutely. 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:29.919 I remember being so thrilled when the first time I 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:32.560 saw him cast, and I've realized that he could actually cast. 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:34.840 You know, because I grew up in Michigan. I worked 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.799 for this, as did he, as did he, as did you, 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:42.799 as it as did uh so many Michian Tannins. But um, 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:45.080 you know, I can remember I worked at this lodge 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:48.079 up in Grailing as a kid, and the experts, the 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:51.120 so called experts would come through and you'd always be 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:53.680 so disappointed when you actually saw him cast. You know, 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:59.280 they were so bad compared to you know, your buddies whatnot. 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:01.119 So the first time I said, Jim Cass, I thought 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:05.160 I was I was, well, yeah it was. That is 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.080 a relief as a guide when you see h the 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.919 client cast and they're good and you've never seen it before. 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:14.400 It's definitely just like yeah, But then you hope that 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:17.440 that doesn't come with some real she expectations. It usually 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:21.240 reverses the karma, right, you know, yeah, if you're if 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.280 you if you're telling me that you're Mike's two fingers 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:29.720 off your lip. Yeah, he's got really big hands. April 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:33.120 fulkey are you are you? Are you familiar with Have 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.080 you ever met Chris before? No, we haven't met. We 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.720 met about five minutes ago. Okay, had you had any when? Uh? 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:42.400 Had you seen his book around? I saw this afternoon. Sorry, Chris, 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:44.520 but I'm excited to learn more about it. We sprang 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:48.480 this on April. We didn't give April the long lead time. Well, 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.440 in order to go read up on on body of Water. 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.000 Ryan actually sprung it on me last night because I 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:56.720 I was podcasting Ryan this morning or this afternoon, and 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:58.200 I still see you tomorrow. He goes, oh, yeah, for 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:02.520 the Chris podcast, and I went, who what? So, but 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.240 what a pleasure. I'm I'm thrilled to be here. I'm 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:09.440 glad share professional connections though because of the whole you know, 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:15.240 fishing world. Are you guide still? I still got about 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:18.760 eighty days a year? Yeah, I've count that. It's still 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.160 being a guy. Dude. We have at this table right 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:24.440 now are four people who have at some point in 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:29.920 their life done professional been professional fly fishing guides? Are 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:31.960 you the only one who hasn't? I'm the one that hasn't, 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:39.320 the smart one with so that meaning there's four people 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:43.799 at this table who horror themselves out and one who hasn't. 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:47.680 Open that the driven snow. I think it's real good 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:53.880 for recruitment purposes that you never guided anybody. Uh. That's 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:58.279 the voice of Ryan Callahan who's also here, and then um, 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:04.760 then Yannimani, Hello, So we talked about that. I was 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:09.400 asking you a couple of news items. Yeah, um, a dude, Okay, 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:14.320 a guy in Alaska. Check this out. A guy in Alaska. Uh, 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:18.560 just got jail time in a one hundred thousand dollar 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:22.960 fine for poaching some moose. Man, those guys do not 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:26.240 mess around in Alaska. What do you mean some moose? 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.800 Because he killed three He killed and ditched three moose. 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.240 Here's what they think. Okay, we talked without four like 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.520 in Alaska. Depending on where you are, there's always exceptions, 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:41.520 but generally, like generally for a bull moves to be 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:45.680 legal in Alaska has to be either depending where you are, 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.479 has to be either a three have three brow times 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:51.960 on one side, or be fifty inches tip to tip 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:54.560 antler spread. Or you might be in a unit that's 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:56.839 what you'd call a four brow time unit where it 0:05:56.839 --> 0:06:00.000 has to have four brow times on one side, oh 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:05.120 were and or b fifty in tip to tip. And 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.160 then there's other units that are like any bowl or whatever. 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:10.400 But but typically you're either it's either a three brow 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:16.400 time or four brow time area. And it's when we're 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.240 hunting moose, like it's real nice to see the brow 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:22.680 times because gauging fifty inch tip to tip is some 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:27.000 tricky ship, real trip it's nerve racking, like to shoot. 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.440 There's a lot of guys like my brother Danny's a 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:34.920 very experienced moves hunter. He is not. It makes him 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.800 very uncomfortable to shoot a bowl on spread and to 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.400 not shoot a bull on brow time count. But it 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.400 seems like this feller was just real bad. It seems 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:46.560 like real bad at judging, and he'd kind of check 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:50.719 them once they were down to see if they're legal. 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:56.800 Three of them hundred thousand dollar fine. I like that, man, 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.200 I was gonna say, it's so be it. I mean, 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:01.040 that's pretty ignoring because now and then you hear something 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.600 doing something like agreedgious stuff. Then is he winds up 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.479 with a misdemeanor, has to do like a day of 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:09.960 community service. They don't mess around, man Like Alaska does 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.559 not mess around on game and fish violations. They treated 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:14.920 like business. Is there not some sort of calculation that 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:18.120 you can make from afar? Yeah, So that's where the 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:21.120 stuff gets tricky. If he like, let's say he's broadside 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:22.880 and turns his head and look at you, there's all 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:26.840 these little tricks like if that outside swoop hits the 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:31.920 midpoint on his hump, or you know that a standard 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:37.480 run of the mill bowl is ear to ear. I 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.440 can't remember. I can't either, but it's out there's a 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:44.160 measurement of like, hey, like your typical mature bull is 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:50.880 x inches ear to ear ten per year and plus 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:54.040 ten in between. Yeah, so you got like that, and 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:58.040 then you imagine does it go you know, a percentage 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:01.960 of that? That way all this stuff, what you arrive 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:04.560 at is unless like a friend of mine, is a guide, 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.560 Like unless you look at and you're like, you know, 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:12.560 it blows like you you feel that your heart's gonna 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:18.520 stop because it's obviously don't mess around? So wait, did 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:20.600 they did they count? Did they measure? Then did it 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:24.119 come in? It? Like one was I read the article. 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:25.920 I came here with the other ones, but one, the 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:29.520 biggest one was around Okay, did he take any part 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:33.680 of the animal? Says more? All? Most of all three 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:37.400 went to waste? Most so is he stripping backstraps and stuff? 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.600 You know, you're asking a lot of great questions, and 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.240 I think that, uh, we have to do a little 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.920 more reading. Body mind just sent me the article. So 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:49.600 I'm a little bit guilty of having not done a 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:51.560 ton of research. But the outline of it, I have 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:56.520 a sense of the outline, but that um it said 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.959 like left most to rot. It sounds like a hundred thousand. 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:04.079 It's fair. That's big. Yeah, and I do. I was 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.600 wondering if there's a little more to the story because 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.120 I can see that price tag climbing, if I can 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:14.640 see that fine being less. If it was like guy 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:20.280 was caught with three moose that were fully processed going 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:25.640 to feed his family the ditchen the ditch of definitely 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:30.480 probably colors that many favorite past violations probably covered. Some 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.400 states have a thing where if it if it's a 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:38.480 trophy animal, then your fines go through the roof. Yeah, 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.480 poaching a trophy class animal costs you a lot more 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:46.520 money than than then if you're like a pop hunter, 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:54.200 then they slap you down harder. Uh. What a couple 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:58.640 of things I want to talk about. Oh, guy had 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:00.600 some feedback on something. Cal you were here for this 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:06.959 conversation where our buddy Steve kendrot this is tricky. Check 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:12.880 this out, Chris Uh, Our buddy Steve Kendrott shoots him 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:17.400 seek a deer down in Maryland and it's missing a 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:22.120 time in Antler time. His buddy shoots a sea Kadeer 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:25.840 and he's skinning it and there, lo and behold is 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:30.760 Steve Kendrot's antler time embedded in the buck. So they 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:34.280 are these are pugnacious little fighters, you know. And he 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:38.440 snaps his antler time off in the buck, and so 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:43.040 the guy uh kept the antler time. Steve was able 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.960 to take the anler time to match it up. And 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.360 I was saying, how I felt that if that friend 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.520 of his was an honorable friend, he would have given 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:59.079 Steve Kendra at the antler time. Steve Kendra, I'm glad 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:03.080 you said that, because everybody that rolled in we took 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:04.920 a vote at that day at the table. I mean, 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:08.000 cal you said, you've made a good point that well 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.640 maybe the story, because I agree with you, like he 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:12.559 should have just given it to him. Becaw said, well, 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.680 the story is just as good if the anertine's hanging 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:19.400 like near that trophy that head, because he's like, this 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:21.080 is what I had in my neck and I was 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:25.800 still alive, right, but go ahead. Well, the guy, one 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:27.160 of the guys, one of the many guys that wrote 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.720 in about it, was looking at it like this. He's 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:33.439 contrary to my my personal opinion, he says, contrary to 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:37.760 my Steve's opinion. Um, he's like, the fight between these 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:43.120 two things happened outside the realm of man. The fight 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:46.199 was the fight, and it wasn't involved I didn't involve people, 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:47.960 And there's there's no room to weigh in on the 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.720 people perspective. They had a fight, and he likens it 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.400 to this. Let's say you've got a knife fight. Or 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:55.280 let's say someone came up and stabbed you in the 0:11:55.360 --> 0:12:01.120 leg and in the scuffle, the his knife blade snaps 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.400 off in your leg. Whose knife blade is that? Now 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.839 that's a good no? Wait later, would that guy say, oh, 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:14.640 I need you? Would like, what would your response to 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:20.160 that fair enough? That knife blade would go in my shelf? Absolutely, 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:21.760 and when people came over and be like, see that 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:25.240 knife blade? But would you feel differently if in this 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:29.120 fantastical world it was his finger that he had jabbed 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:35.760 into your thigh, broken his finger, and I would have 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:37.640 it on my shelf and when people came over and 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:39.400 they were and I caught him looking at it like 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:41.760 you see that, and I would tell them about it. 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:43.959 I don't think it's a great comparison. I'm sorry, I 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.800 think that's a horrible comparison. So the time was in 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.240 the animal or in the animals donlers you know what, 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:52.760 because you missed it was in the animal right and animal. 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.920 So this book a like Buck A and Buck B. Yeah, 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:00.640 they get a fight and Buck A's antler ends up 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:05.040 snapping off into Buck B. My body shoots A, who's 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:08.280 missing it's antler, and his body shoots B and finds 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:19.320 embedded in its body, and the body keeps be bark. No, 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:21.480 you've explained it. But my thing is, what is what 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:23.520 is that buddy going to do with it? I mean, 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.240 it's one thing if it was if it was wedged 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:28.520 into the antler somewhere and it told the story like 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:30.800 what you're talking about. That makes sense. That's a piece 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:32.920 of art. You know, you're putting the story up to 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.400 mount on your wall. But it was ingrained in the shoulder. 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:37.200 You can't just hang it on. It's like that's like 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.280 having a fish sculpture and hanging a fly out of it. 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:41.800 It's got some stupid chuck an. It's ridiculous. Give it 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:43.960 to your buddy so he can superglue it onto his 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:47.000 You know, he mounted We thought he should hang it 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:51.280 from it in a deck with some decorative. Just set 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:52.920 it next to it, your guys. Is decor is a 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:56.160 lot different in my opinion. But okay, I don't think. 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:58.480 I don't think bringing a knife to it is is 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:02.520 necessarily the same. Analogy. Great analogy. Okay, one more quick 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:08.040 one and then we're gonna we're gonna talk about other stuff. Um, 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.360 I know how to really attack this one. Not long 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:13.000 ago we were talking about this. We're talking about that 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.160 when you're sitting in a tree stand and it's cold 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:18.079 out and a big buck comes through, and you get 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:21.040 all excited, and then the big buck wanders off about 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:25.040 his business unscathed, and then I personally all sudn't feel 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:28.640 like I'm cold, like it left me like I then 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:30.800 I'm like, this is like, God, am I cold? And 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:32.560 that guy was talking about how my brother when he 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:36.520 goes he calls going off to take a growler, going 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:41.280 off to take a heater. Right. The guy wrote in 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.760 about a doctor writes in to explain these two things. 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:50.960 He says, you haven't autonomic nervous system of the human 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:54.800 body and has two parts, the sympathetic nervous system and 0:14:54.840 --> 0:15:01.000 the parasympathetic nervous system. The sympathetic nervous system releases epidephrine, 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:05.800 EPERN and other stress hormones to prepare for what is 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:10.200 often referred to as fight or flight response. Some of 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:14.240 these things with like UH affects of these hormones increase 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:20.000 heart rate, dilate pupils, vassal constrict blood vessels. It shunts 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.200 blood to the core vital organs. The skin becomes pale, cool, 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:29.360 and diaphretic. The vassal constriction of peripheral vessels is why 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:33.040 a person might feel cold after a stressful encounter with 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:39.840 game animals dragon. On the other side, the parasympathetic nervous 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:42.600 system is known as the rest and digest nervous system. 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.840 The parasympathetic nervous system is active when the body is 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:53.840 not under stress, i e. Eating fornicating. Now, poor word 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:57.360 choice on his part, because fornicating means having sex outside 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:01.200 of marriage. How do you know that? Yes, there could 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:05.600 be probably only if you're married. Yeah, but I'm saying 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.440 you could be having like some serious stressful Let's say 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:10.800 you a fella was a woman. Let's say a woman 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:14.880 was married and the old man's off at work. I 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:16.080 feel like, right now he's got a little bit of 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:20.880 bad word choice with fornicating, because he's saying when the 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:25.760 body is not under stressed, I e. Eating, fornicating eating. Yes, 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:31.640 fornicating isn't just synonymous with love making. Fornicating means marriage 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:35.520 outside of or sex outside of marriage. So a woman 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:42.680 could be in a situation where she's you know, like 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:50.240 nervous about being discovered by her old man, you dragon, 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:54.640 which could make it stressful, which would then involve the 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:58.200 other side of the nervous system. Yeah, where there's like 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.280 you got the fight and fight going on because you're poor. 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:04.000 You know. I think he should have said, um, love making, 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.760 which is makes that that word just makes people uncomfortable. 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:14.720 So the parasympathetic nervous system is active when the body 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:19.080 is not understressed, I eat, eating, love making, or in 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:22.400 this case, pushing out a grumpy The act of bearing 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:27.640 down to defecate stimulates the vague nerve, which is part 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:32.200 of the parasympathetic nervous system. When the parasympathetic nervous system 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:37.160 is stimulated, you get vaso dilation to peripheral blood vessels, 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:40.399 therefore increased blood flow to the skin, resulting in a 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:44.919 warmer sensation. Therefore, bearing out my brother's observation that when 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:46.840 he goes off in the woods on the cold morning 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.840 to turn over a rock, so to speak, Um, he 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:57.160 feels warmed up by it all, that's all. And can 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.200 you confirm that you do feel cooler or colder gonna 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:04.800 a big deer walks by? And what's the different? Where 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:08.040 does adrenaline fall into all of this? I think it's 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.640 what he's saying is that when a big buck comes by, 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:14.760 you get the adrenaline spike and then it drops and 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:18.359 you're that's when I become cold. And I do feel 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:21.720 that you get warmed up going off and rolling over rock. Definitely. 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:23.640 You guys have a lot of strange ways of saying 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:26.320 taking a poop. I've heard three different ways in two minutes. 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:28.080 Because that's what you're saying though, right is you know, 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:30.200 like the term like turn out saying earlier that makes 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:38.120 people uncomfortable growler growlers? Oh love making it. Yeah, going 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.600 poop it just sounds so personal. I love it. I 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:43.479 think it's great. Pooping sounds fantastic. We use that like 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.879 that's what our what with our kids? Yeah, they need 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:49.840 to poop, they're pooping. It's just like I feel like 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:54.080 it's very family a family term it is, but taking 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:57.960 a growler is a hunting term. I'm in laden. I've 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:01.679 learned a lot so far. Well that's interesting. That's a 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:05.560 very wordy way of saying. Um, yeah, you know, but 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:08.000 I'm so happy that that's explained it just like it 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:14.720 makes sense right, seem like not engaged. I've been thinking 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:17.400 about poop a lot this fall because I've been, um, 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:21.960 I've been hunting hungarian partridge a lot. So I'm just uh, 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:26.360 you know, they like a covey of partridge. Huns will 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:31.119 roost together, and they roost tails together, so when you 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:33.760 find their roost, you actually find this neat little pile 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:41.480 of poop um And I can't you know, they're tough 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:43.240 to find. Bird. I have a great bird dog, but 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:45.359 a lot of times you're just walking around looking for 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:49.199 sign which are these little white tip dropping So the 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:51.520 same thing they come in, they back, they back into 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:53.679 each other and make a little circle and make a 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:57.040 little collective like poop group. No, I was not disinterested. 0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:00.640 I was lost in thought, you know, doing my poet thing. 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:06.520 How do we getting out of that? How best? How 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:12.479 best to to get get to our subject matter at hand? Well, 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:15.439 I could tell you why I think huns are the No, 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:18.199 not that. Oh, what is our subject I want to 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:21.440 talk about? Uh? I want to talk about your book 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:24.520 of course in bone fishing in general. Yeah, well that's 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:25.840 what I was gonna say. I could tell you about 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:32.800 how huns are the bones that do that. So I 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:35.840 have been thinking about them a lot this fall, and 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:43.000 and uh there's something to the um the seemingly uh 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:49.600 mundane habitat and huns living you know, uh, grassy hillsides 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:52.879 there their seat mostly seed eaters. They don't um, they 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:56.160 don't need a whole lot of agriculture to survive. They're 0:20:56.200 --> 0:21:01.520 really hearty birds. Um. And they covey up. They group 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:04.320 up a lot of times. You know, bone fish will 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:06.800 uh we'll school up as well. But you're doing a 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:09.560 very good job man. For the most part. The reason 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:15.040 why I enjoy traversing that wide, wide country. It reminds 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:16.840 me of being on the flats. You know, there's there 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:20.720 are these what mcgwaen called these long silences you know 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:23.600 between would you actually find a covey of birds when 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:26.479 your dog goes on pointing. Uh, it's usually you know, 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:28.480 right about when you think nothing's gonna happen. And then 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:33.840 suddenly yeah, uh, I found some hunts. I shot some 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:35.960 huns one time of my late buddy Eric that had 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:40.080 their crops were full of um grasshoppers. Oh yeah, they 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:43.200 that's their chief chief food in the in the early fall, 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:46.240 and then they go to cheat grass after the hoppers, 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:49.800 you know, die off for the My buddy told me 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:53.080 he found one, uh clean one last year and the 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:57.080 hunt had in its crop a grasshopper that was still 0:21:57.240 --> 0:22:01.919 kicking when he cleaned it. That doesn't surprise me, So 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:03.920 it upsets me a little bit, but doesn't surprise for 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:08.320 the just just like it'd be like a little bit startling, 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:11.560 I guess cleaning the bird and there's a live grasshopper 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:15.119 in there, Well, I wouldn't feel bad for him. Uh. 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:16.640 You guys have all you I mean, as you've caught 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:18.919 a whole pile of bone fish right April. Yeah, I 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:23.639 think I've caught a few. Never really yep, yeah, I 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:27.720 always kind of poo pooed those things. Got a lot 0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:31.880 of white fish in my day. You can go if 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:34.119 you're if you got something else to do, because we 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:37.880 thought you'd caught bone fish. So oh really, yeah, I've 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:41.640 seen him. I took a couple of casts one time, yeah, 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:45.960 a few, though only a few. Fifteen years ago. I 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:48.560 was down in Belize for I don't know, a couple 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:54.720 of weeks and I maybe landed a half dozen. Okay, nice, 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:59.360 So your butt Chrissy explains how that fish went from 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:03.840 being it does a lot of things, but explains how 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:06.800 like how that how the bone fish became a celebrity 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:10.560 fish when it used to just be a what well, 0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:13.879 they threw it into piles that went into making dog 0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:16.520 food back in the day. You know, the commercial netters would, 0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:20.560 uh if bone fish ended up in their catch, they 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:22.919 would basically throw it into a pile that went to 0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:28.280 uh to purina or or some other uh, you know, 0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:33.680 undesirable pile of fish, right uh. And that the evolution 0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:36.120 of that is really what, as you say, the book 0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:40.840 is about, at least on um on the surface level. Um. 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:44.439 Why nineteen fifty one was when the first Bahamian bone 0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:49.359 fish lodge was erected, this guy named Art See I 0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:51.400 read the book, but I don't remember being that early really, 0:23:51.880 --> 0:23:54.080 so people in we were thinking like, oh, this is 0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:58.080 a cool fish to catch. Yeah, well, not very many people. 0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:05.400 There was wealthy Floridian guy named Gil Drake Um who 0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:08.720 had bone fish in the keys. There were a few 0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:11.320 guys that had bone fishing the keys. Now most most 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:14.600 people that kind of famed Bahamian bone fish guy. This 0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:17.639 guy named Crazy Charlie Smith. You know that Crazy Church 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:20.359 is the fly everyone knows about. But I got I 0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:23.680 got a small problem. Yes, what's the guy's name again? 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:26.280 Because here's the guy you got me thinking, the guy 0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:27.960 that shot the moose and got in trouble. Guess what 0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:30.919 his name is? Gil Drake. No, he's got the perfect No, 0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:41.040 Rusty counts. Rusty counts. That sounds like, yeah, Rusty counts. Okay, 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:43.800 So Gil Drake, Okay, so Gil Drake. And about nineteen 0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:46.800 fifty one, I actually had to listen to this book 0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:51.320 on audio book to remind myself of a few things. Yeah, 0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:52.960 I hadn't read it in a couple of years, so 0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:56.000 I had to re requain myself. But uh, fifty one 0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:58.639 sounds right. Gil Drake was this wealthy Floridian guy who 0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:02.760