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Speaker 1: Newe Scrugs. Here we are on a Monday. Hello everybody,
Speaker 1: Monday morning, New time here for the rest of the
Speaker 1: non football season. Here on the Players Lounge, we have
Speaker 1: two former players, two former Dallas Cowboys safeties. Barry Church
Speaker 1: over here, Danny McCray over here. I'm merely, I am
Speaker 1: merely Newe scrubs its football? Who do we just? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: at least we got an early slot, early flat time
Speaker 1: man ten o'clock football season, we can say about it.
Speaker 1: Since there's no Cowboys to talk about on a daily basis,
Speaker 1: we are now going weekly and Monday's ten am is
Speaker 1: our time slot. Lots to get into. Jerry Jones had
Speaker 1: a bunch of comments. We'll dive into that later on.
Speaker 1: Because Jerry's unhappy, and he voiced on Friday. Being unhappy's
Speaker 1: one thing, doing something another. We'll get into that. He
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been happy watching the San Francisco forty nine
Speaker 1: a game because I'm sorry, guys, watching the Niners play
Speaker 1: and beat the Packers, all I could say to myself is, Dude,
Speaker 1: this team's playing because the Cowboys simply didn't do their job,
Speaker 1: didn't do their part. With all due respect to the Niners, man,
Speaker 1: they earned it. Okay, Kyle Shanahan is a good football coach.
Speaker 1: Jamiko Ryans is an elite defensive coordinator, and somebody needs
Speaker 1: to be given that man a job. And the special
Speaker 1: teams coach for the forty nine ers, that guy is
Speaker 1: a boss. Okay. They better been a game ball for
Speaker 1: that man. Okay, better been a game ball for that man,
Speaker 1: because that one the game, both of them, both of them.
Speaker 1: We get the block because if you look at it
Speaker 1: early in the game, I think it was before halftime.
Speaker 1: You know, Jimmy Ward, the safety, gets up a huge
Speaker 1: bomb the Jones down the sidelines. He makes the tackle
Speaker 1: and then they hold them to a field goal. And
Speaker 1: you think, all right, if they get this field goal,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be thirteen to what it was a thirteen
Speaker 1: ten at the time, or thirteen seven, thirteen seven, all right,
Speaker 1: they're gonna have some and they get the ball at
Speaker 1: half Special Teams comes through with an immaculate block, an immaculate,
Speaker 1: huge block. Fast forward a little bit later. I'm sure
Speaker 1: we'll dive into the intricate sees a little bit, but
Speaker 1: I'm a fast forward a little bit to the to
Speaker 1: the last little the block punt by number ninety four.
Speaker 1: This is why you gotta have a long snapper with
Speaker 1: at least some bricks in his pocket. L PE wouldn't
Speaker 1: let that happen. LP wouldn't. He ran straight through this
Speaker 1: and there was like there was no resistance. My man
Speaker 1: just walked them right back, put his glove up there.
Speaker 1: Made a hell of a block punt. Hell of a
Speaker 1: block punt recovered by the rookie changed the whole game.
Speaker 1: Special Teams came down this whole weekend Special hole really
Speaker 1: changed the entire game. In Special Teams, It's crazy listen,
Speaker 1: and you know I love it. I love it like
Speaker 1: it was out there blocking field goals and punts. Special
Speaker 1: Teams is a part of the game, right. You have
Speaker 1: to make sure you put the correct resources to your
Speaker 1: Special Teams players so you can get into those situations
Speaker 1: and win games. Look at the Cincinnati game, they draft
Speaker 1: a kicker money mcphers man like this. This is when
Speaker 1: you know, like this is this is an important part
Speaker 1: of the game. It's not just something that we can
Speaker 1: just go pick up off the off the street and
Speaker 1: say he gonna make a couple of four us. You
Speaker 1: have to get a guy who is ready to make
Speaker 1: those type of kicks. You have to get guys who
Speaker 1: are blocked specialists. All right. Jerald cinci Ball was here.
Speaker 1: He blocked thirteen and fourteen in North Carolina. He is
Speaker 1: a block special You have to have those guys on
Speaker 1: your squad if you want to make plays like that.
Speaker 1: And it was amazing to watch, amazing to watch. And
Speaker 1: shout out to the Cowboys. We did have a couple
Speaker 1: of block puns down this year, but the games were
Speaker 1: just just straight up amazing. Don't fool yourself into thinking
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys would have one out there and did
Speaker 1: the same thing to Green Bay. All right, well, they
Speaker 1: they had to go to Tampa. But just the fact
Speaker 1: that the Niners were playing was the thing I kept
Speaker 1: coming They're playing and trying to be kind here, really,
Speaker 1: really I am. I'm trying to be kind here. Um,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and company. You talk about having another playoff
Speaker 1: game and what everybody, you don't want to go to
Speaker 1: Green Bay and the man, this is two years in
Speaker 1: a row. We have seen teams from Sunshine, he states,
Speaker 1: roll up in the Green Bay and snatch a victory
Speaker 1: from these guys. Just snatch a victory and what travels
Speaker 1: defense in the in the run game? And you know
Speaker 1: what her Green Bay? AJ Dillon. AJ Dillon goes out
Speaker 1: there and the first drive he lets him know, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm going to punish yall. And then he gets like
Speaker 1: a chess injury or something that everything changes. If you
Speaker 1: cannot run the ball and you were going to get
Speaker 1: in trouble against teams like San Francisco, who can run
Speaker 1: the ball, who can play defense. I've seen Big Trent
Speaker 1: Williams in motion coming around the d Boys athletic You
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you talk about being being creative in
Speaker 1: the ring game. This is what we talked about for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Be creative in the ring game. You put
Speaker 1: your offensive linement at fullback. Man, hey, take a page
Speaker 1: out of the the shandahead book. All right, make sure next
Speaker 1: year if you're having the same type of issues that
Speaker 1: you had this season, I want to see you know, mcgovernor,
Speaker 1: whoever it is on the coming. I'll tell you. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you the difference in all these games and
Speaker 1: then boiled down to this one factor. And I wish
Speaker 1: we would we had this factor when we played the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers. But it came down to the trenches.
Speaker 1: That's all this thing came down to. Look at that
Speaker 1: San Francisco game. Aaron Rodgers was getting pumbled the entire game.
Speaker 1: He was missing back the r I think they missed
Speaker 1: their other right tackle as well. And then you look
Speaker 1: at it wells the other games Cincinnati, I don't know
Speaker 1: how they pulled out one sacks, nine sacks. The offensive
Speaker 1: line give up nine sacks and he still was able
Speaker 1: to pull it out. And then you look at the
Speaker 1: game last night between the Bills and um in Kansas City.
Speaker 1: Those two running quarterbacks, they were getting pressure, but they
Speaker 1: were able to make plays even though they were getting pressure.
Speaker 1: Sold to me, this came down to the trenches and
Speaker 1: the offensive line. I mean, it's it's a premium, but
Speaker 1: we took a premium. We spoke about that right here
Speaker 1: on the players before that San Francisco Cowboy games. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys gonna have to win in the trenches, and they didn't.
Speaker 1: They didn't win there. And I'm gonna take this from
Speaker 1: y'all because I listened, I feel you, I understand the
Speaker 1: bigger difference and what we saw from us, and what
Speaker 1: we saw this weekend was quarterbacks making big time throws
Speaker 1: in big time situations. And almost every single one of
Speaker 1: those games that we watched this weekend, there was a
Speaker 1: big time throw in a presser situation from the quarterback
Speaker 1: of that team. No matter if you got Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: getting sacked nine times, no matter if you got Jimmy
Speaker 1: g making the throw a kittle when he has to
Speaker 1: make a one hand catch over the top, there is
Speaker 1: consistently a quarterback coming out and making a big time
Speaker 1: play when when when this team needs it. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: no shots at back. I'm just saying when we needed
Speaker 1: that type of stuff to happen, it wasn't happening. And
Speaker 1: you watch as you get further into the playoffs, these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are playing, they are out here making those
Speaker 1: types of players and look at La, look at La
Speaker 1: and Tampa Bay. It came down. I mean, we for
Speaker 1: sure am on masstaff for everything. Oh he ain't like that,
Speaker 1: he hain't big time situation, heed buckles, all that other stuff,
Speaker 1: and look what happened. Zero pressure to man through a
Speaker 1: dying to Cooper cup, something that Jimmy Jim couldn't do
Speaker 1: when they were in the Super Bowl. He had an opportunity.
Speaker 1: So you're right there. It comes down an offensive lineman
Speaker 1: and elite quarterback play. It comes out of both. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, comes out of both. But
Speaker 1: but you know, you you piggyback on something that and
Speaker 1: this is just indisputable. You know, we just know to
Speaker 1: get this far, you need you gotta have a difference maker.
Speaker 1: Your quarterback has to be in the difference maker. And
Speaker 1: we saw it. But at the same time, too, we
Speaker 1: saw Josh Allen doing doing his part and a coaching
Speaker 1: mistake in what my opinion is what costs them. And
Speaker 1: that goes back to Sean McDermott, who's not getting the
Speaker 1: heat that I believe he should. You should have kicked
Speaker 1: the ball off and made Kansas City bring it out
Speaker 1: and burned some clock when you get the touchback, that
Speaker 1: means say burned no time off the clock. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you need you needed to make them run some
Speaker 1: of the clock. They made multiple mistakes on that dr
Speaker 1: we're talking about him before we got on the show.
Speaker 1: This team got three timehouts. You out there guarding the sideline,
Speaker 1: like they can stop the clock three times, So you
Speaker 1: can't just let them run up the middle of the
Speaker 1: field because it's not gonna take that extra time off
Speaker 1: the clock. As we've seen with Dallas, they can just
Speaker 1: time out right and get another shot out there. Who's
Speaker 1: their DC, leslie friend, he needs to get some heat.
Speaker 1: This was supposed to be the number one defense coming
Speaker 1: into this game. You can't you can't allow for the
Speaker 1: two points like that. Your head coach and your your
Speaker 1: defensive coordinate. You know their their defensive gotten to look
Speaker 1: and this is by the way, you're right, but this
Speaker 1: is what happened. You got two quarterbacks who are slinging it.
Speaker 1: And when your quarterbacks started singing it and still your
Speaker 1: quarterback for Buffalo, your quarterback did his job. Oh what
Speaker 1: out of doubt did his job? You were in position
Speaker 1: I thought they were about to win a game thirteen seconds,
Speaker 1: but he we're gonna do a touchback? Like what? What? What?
Speaker 1: But no, make it makes sense? Yeah, this is guy.
Speaker 1: I've said this before. Your head coach can't be the
Speaker 1: reason you lost the game. The head coach of the
Speaker 1: Bills lost that football game because on something we special
Speaker 1: teams matter. This was a special team's play, Danny, that
Speaker 1: cost your team. But the commentas are saying, you gotta
Speaker 1: squib it right, and even if they did, if they
Speaker 1: did squibb it, whatever, let's just say they took off
Speaker 1: some time. How do you defensively let up two forty
Speaker 1: four yards in thirteen seconds? Just make a tackle? It's okay,
Speaker 1: ten seconds? What do we do? It's a different it's
Speaker 1: a different mindset. If you get the squipt kick, they
Speaker 1: have to run it back and then just what you're
Speaker 1: doing versus all right, we got the ball twenty five
Speaker 1: and we got our time. Not anyway, this is when
Speaker 1: they what do you call self scout? What do you
Speaker 1: guys do after after the season? The self scout on
Speaker 1: this is gonna be very interesting because who gets to
Speaker 1: the head coach to let him know this is what
Speaker 1: needs to happen. Special teams coaches call me? How does that?
Speaker 1: How does that work? The special teams coach is the
Speaker 1: one who should be calling that place, like the head
Speaker 1: coach really shouldn't even have any saying you to call
Speaker 1: a kick left, kick right or squib kick? Hey cup,
Speaker 1: why are you squimming? We gotta runt some time at
Speaker 1: the clock. It's simply at that And then your defensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: you know what's going on with the players at that point.
Speaker 1: If you're calling the play where they're guarding the sideline,
Speaker 1: your players in their mind are saying, all we gotta
Speaker 1: do is make the tackle like that like it's in
Speaker 1: their mind already versus not we got to play actual defense.
Speaker 1: So you can see why they're not making like why
Speaker 1: they not hurry up and trying to make the tackle
Speaker 1: because in their mind they just like, all we gotta
Speaker 1: do is stopped them from getting out of bounce. Like
Speaker 1: So you got guys out there who don't know how
Speaker 1: many timeouts they got because of the play call that
Speaker 1: that you have on defense, and you can see it. It
Speaker 1: It was lack of days ago. Like the sideline they
Speaker 1: were playing what we called what was it called back
Speaker 1: when we play and you have a guy, you know,
Speaker 1: five yards or at the five yard mark, fifteen yard
Speaker 1: market I think thirty yard mark, and they're all perimetering
Speaker 1: the sidelines. But like you said, they had two or
Speaker 1: three time outs at the time, So Why are you
Speaker 1: trying to defend the sidline when they can stop the
Speaker 1: clock and get a lot of yards up the middle.
Speaker 1: Exactly what they did. To me, It's just remarkable that
Speaker 1: their best two players, Kill and Kelsey. How do you
Speaker 1: not have somebody on those Those are the best two
Speaker 1: players on that team, and what happened. He'll catches the
Speaker 1: long the big chunk play in the middle. Games are
Speaker 1: probably about extra twenty yards after the catch. And then
Speaker 1: you give Kelsey, arguably the best tight end in the
Speaker 1: National Football League, you give him a free release. You
Speaker 1: don't even put hands on him, a free release middle
Speaker 1: of the field. He keeps in another twenty yards during
Speaker 1: field goal range stakes. It's just it's mind blowing. It's
Speaker 1: how the other teams can get those players the ball,
Speaker 1: Kelsey getting the ball. I would like to see Jamar
Speaker 1: Chase and Tarik Hill race because those two dudes have
Speaker 1: a different They have a different when they catch the ball.
Speaker 1: It's like everybody else is running in space at running
Speaker 1: in place. I'm just like, oh, you're serious. Had no
Speaker 1: idea Chase had the gas, Like I know he was fast.
Speaker 1: I hadn't this dude got gass. I mean, for me,
Speaker 1: and you already know it because you're ls you got
Speaker 1: as good as Jefferson was his rookie year. And the
Speaker 1: way he was bawling, I was like, you know, he
Speaker 1: was like the number two dude, he wasn't here. He
Speaker 1: wasn't and it wasn't mean, it wasn't even close. It
Speaker 1: was like, yo, you number two. You're good, You're really
Speaker 1: really good. But but that's the dude. That was the
Speaker 1: kind of thing about like, yeah, man, this guy's Paul,
Speaker 1: he's good. And then I'll also say this and raise
Speaker 1: my hand here. I was adamant that Cincinnati should have
Speaker 1: taken a piney soul bluff tackle. I was wrong, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't against Chase. It was your offensive line isn't good.
Speaker 1: But that's head. It's like he's still got sacked nine times,
Speaker 1: so you still could have been right, Like Jamar Tayson
Speaker 1: is a crazy talent, but you're still watching your franchise
Speaker 1: quarterback gets sacked nine times, so you're right until all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Joe Burrow get hurt and then you're wrong.
Speaker 1: This is to mean that's the number one. Probably already
Speaker 1: en Nosten got to You've got to do everything you
Speaker 1: can't all your resources need to be spent towards protecting
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. Um, I thought it last year they decided
Speaker 1: to go to the receiver and and okay, you got
Speaker 1: you got Chase. He's fantastic Pro Bowl guy. Now go protective.
Speaker 1: Imagine what they could do now next year. They should
Speaker 1: be a much better football team now that the first
Speaker 1: play schedule. But mine goodness graces, they should go out
Speaker 1: there and get it done. And I didn't think. I
Speaker 1: did not think Cincinnati win it. They win in nineteen
Speaker 1: to sixty. I don't think they's gonna win it either.
Speaker 1: You did. I thought for so it was over. I've
Speaker 1: never been a Ryan Tannehill believer, but I also didn't
Speaker 1: believe he go ahad through three picks. And you couldn't
Speaker 1: have told me that on a day where Tennessee ran
Speaker 1: the ball for two twenty twenty seven times, one hundred
Speaker 1: forty yards and a touchdown that they would lose it home.
Speaker 1: And they did. But if your quarterbacks gonna get the
Speaker 1: ball away and go get the other team an opportunity,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get beat first snap of the game. Snap.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you all this question then, and
Speaker 1: we've seen a lot of elite quarterback play this this round,
Speaker 1: a lot of it. Everybody either overcoming sacks or they're
Speaker 1: making big time throws to win games. Do we still
Speaker 1: think Dak is in that conversation five for an elite
Speaker 1: quarterback based off what I've seen this season and in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, if you're talking top five guys, Nah no,
Speaker 1: I watched my homes and Josh Allen looked like number
Speaker 1: one and two. I've seen Stafford go out there and
Speaker 1: do what he needs to do. You see Tom bur
Speaker 1: You're already sitting at four. Now you you have to
Speaker 1: throw Joe Burrow. So nah, no, no, no no. And
Speaker 1: the AFC is like the quarterbacks over the That is crazy. Now,
Speaker 1: you didn't even need justin Herbert and the like. You're
Speaker 1: justin Herbert. You're talking about Lamar Jackson's one of m
Speaker 1: VP in this league. Stafford. So yeah, Kyler Murray, who's
Speaker 1: going to the Pro Bowl this year? I mean, right now,
Speaker 1: what can't be disputed is Dak Prescott took a step
Speaker 1: back this year. Now, I would agree, Okay, what you're expecting.
Speaker 1: He took a step back, And the questions going in
Speaker 1: the next year are going to be fair when you say,
Speaker 1: can you become an elite quarterback who carries your team
Speaker 1: the way we're seeing these guys who took all their
Speaker 1: teams to the final four. And for all the criticism
Speaker 1: about Jimmy g and even how Kyle Shanahan has limited him,
Speaker 1: he didn't get a beat. He didn't get a beat.
Speaker 1: You know the guy. The guy is. It's a crazy thing.
Speaker 1: The guy sixty minutes away from the second Super Bowl screen. Okay,
Speaker 1: everybody's complaining about it all. We want Trey Lance, we
Speaker 1: want you hey, look, look and aways Greener. He may
Speaker 1: well not be the long term answer, whatever he might.
Speaker 1: You know, the guy. This is the potential of this
Speaker 1: guy winning the Super Bowl and not being the quarterback
Speaker 1: next year. I mean that that is there, but we
Speaker 1: cannot dispute he has been the guy there and he
Speaker 1: made sure they didn't get be He wasn't Ryan Tannehill
Speaker 1: yesterday getting a beat. He wasn't Dak Prescott. And in
Speaker 1: the game it gets in the wild card game, you
Speaker 1: didn't get your part done. So the questions and the
Speaker 1: criticisms that Dak is gonna get knowing you're making forty
Speaker 1: million dollars and what It also means you can't do
Speaker 1: because you're committing so much the salary cap, there's going
Speaker 1: to be an expectation when you earned those dollars. I
Speaker 1: talk about it with take twenty million dollars a year,
Speaker 1: there's expectations to come with it. Mark Cooper earned twenty
Speaker 1: million dollars year. There's expectations. You need a return on
Speaker 1: your investment without a doubt, and if you're not getting
Speaker 1: a return on investment, then everyone has a right to
Speaker 1: say this isn't working out. There is a problem. What's
Speaker 1: going on? When do you do your part? That's not
Speaker 1: us jumping on him, that's not us picking on him.
Speaker 1: That's just being real and telling it like it is.
Speaker 1: Because when you when you make that type of bread,
Speaker 1: when you make that type of money, you're supposed to
Speaker 1: overcome things. I mean, look at Broke. He wasn't there
Speaker 1: in his officive line, played terrible nine sacks, but he
Speaker 1: was able to overcome that. You talk about Jimmy g
Speaker 1: throwing those picks, but when it came down a nut
Speaker 1: cutting time, he was able to overcome that. Even Brady,
Speaker 1: I know, he's the goat heat down twenty seven three,
Speaker 1: He's able to overcome that. And when you're making those
Speaker 1: type of bills, that's what's expected of you. And so
Speaker 1: when you look at Dak Prescott in his offense and
Speaker 1: his team in general, there's really not a lot of
Speaker 1: excuses you to trouble through that receiver that's unbelievable. Your
Speaker 1: officive line ain't what it used to be, but it
Speaker 1: ain't like the Cincinnati Bankers out there, and you gotta
Speaker 1: running game back. You know, I wish we to use
Speaker 1: it every now and then, but we don't. And there's
Speaker 1: just so there's no taking the football away. There's really
Speaker 1: no excuses. Especially when you're making that type of are
Speaker 1: you're supposed to overcome things like that, and he wasn't
Speaker 1: able to do that this year. That's a franchise me.
Speaker 1: When you say the word franchise, that's what you're expecting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've got I mean, you just look at the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: You got a first round receiver and Amari Cooper first
Speaker 1: round receiver, and CD Lamber first round left tackle, and
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith. You got a first round guard in Jack Martin.
Speaker 1: You got a first round running back in Ezekiel. Does
Speaker 1: anybody else have that? It's playing right now and they
Speaker 1: all look better than we did. Yeah, all, they all
Speaker 1: look better than we did. Like like wave for the
Speaker 1: guys that you listed, Like, we're gonna continue to say
Speaker 1: this when you look at those other teams around the
Speaker 1: league and you say the weapons that they have, I
Speaker 1: am not putting our weapons above any of those teams
Speaker 1: pretty much from from yesterday or maybe maybe Tampa because
Speaker 1: they missing some guys and Antonio Brown's no longer there
Speaker 1: and god one, but other than that, I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: I'm going back to Tee Higgins and Jamar Tays all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I'm like, man, I don't wanna see
Speaker 1: the and whatever. I don't know you're looking at you
Speaker 1: can you looking at Debo and you're like, now, I
Speaker 1: don't know Debo. Debo is the guy. So we gotta
Speaker 1: find a way to make sure that these guys who
Speaker 1: are we're saying or have this potential, that we're using
Speaker 1: them to maximize that potential. Now, you bring up a
Speaker 1: point that Jerry Jones talked about, but he basically told
Speaker 1: one O five through the fan, I didn't watch us
Speaker 1: waste some careers here? Why watch us waste some seasons,
Speaker 1: waste some talent and that comes to me. The whole
Speaker 1: play calling, Deeal comes into it. Give Sean McVeigh all
Speaker 1: the credit in the world. I have a quarterback who
Speaker 1: won't allow me to do all the things I need
Speaker 1: to do. I need to go get a quarterback. I
Speaker 1: want Matt Stafford. They're sixty minutes away from a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Whether they get there or not. Sean McBay was proven
Speaker 1: right and during that game. Here it is one more
Speaker 1: time Cooper Cup catching pass after pass. Now you didn't
Speaker 1: caught the game with a pass. Take it to the
Speaker 1: NFC Championship game. Calling the right plays. I mean that
Speaker 1: that Deebo Samuel run which put him in position to
Speaker 1: go ahead and kick the game winning field goal. I
Speaker 1: looked at that, and then it reminded me of the
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel touchdown road which basically broke the back of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Kyle Shannon putting a wide receiver who he
Speaker 1: knows has multiple talents, could basically be a running back.
Speaker 1: He put him in the right positions, calling the right
Speaker 1: plays for him. And even Tom Brady out here when
Speaker 1: that's the comeback goes man they hit, they look up
Speaker 1: there he's Jalen Ramsey boom one on one. Don't get
Speaker 1: I mean they're calling the play left, which is calling
Speaker 1: the plays, and Brady's executing that. To me, if you're
Speaker 1: a Cowboy fan, if you're watching these games, you're just
Speaker 1: sitting here saying, man, the dog gone passed, burrowed, Jamar Chase.
Speaker 1: This is That's the same thirty twenty three pass that
Speaker 1: they got against Kansas City a few weeks ago, the
Speaker 1: same play. Hey man, mine is better than yours. Subregard him,
Speaker 1: so you keep up. You see this stuff and through
Speaker 1: the four touchdown passes that dude, you're like, I'm sure,
Speaker 1: Hey man, is it that hard? You makeing millions of dollars,
Speaker 1: you can't screw up some plays for these the playmakings.
Speaker 1: This is why I never want to hear us going
Speaker 1: to a game again and say, what the defense is
Speaker 1: taking this guy away. It's not a thing. It's not
Speaker 1: If you are a good enough offensive coordinator, you're going
Speaker 1: to find a way to get these dudes the ball.
Speaker 1: I don't want to have nothing about double Cooper Cup,
Speaker 1: triple Crown, most catches, most receivers, most of all that,
Speaker 1: and you telling me this, dude, is I hear catching
Speaker 1: all these passes because what he double team nah bro
Speaker 1: Sean mcvayh is figuring out ways and get this man
Speaker 1: the ball. So so what do y'all think, because it
Speaker 1: wasn't always like that, you know, rock the dast cup.
Speaker 1: First couple of years he would force feeds the ball.
Speaker 1: I mean that was his guy. He was giving a
Speaker 1: tool the rock whatever may case make the case may be.
Speaker 1: So do you think it's more a dack under center,
Speaker 1: like all right, let me, I gotta go here, I
Speaker 1: gotta go here with it? Or do you think it's
Speaker 1: more of you know, the play calling like we needed you,
Speaker 1: you know, throw this guy or throw that guy the ball.
Speaker 1: When you ain't running the ball, you ain't getting them
Speaker 1: one on ones like that. That's true to you. When
Speaker 1: you ain't running the ball, when you don't have the leads,
Speaker 1: leader and rusher, and they got to bring aid in
Speaker 1: the box or they're not respecting the fact that you
Speaker 1: might run the ball them Dad's bride passers ain't open.
Speaker 1: Now you're throwing in the two man on that side
Speaker 1: and you're watching Reeves picking out like that like that.
Speaker 1: If you're not able to be balanced on offense, this
Speaker 1: is what we could keep saying that and laughing and
Speaker 1: joking like you gotta run the ball, bro. These defensive
Speaker 1: coordinators are going to feast on you. And if they
Speaker 1: know that you are not running the rock, so it's
Speaker 1: killing them. You got you gotta figure something up. So
Speaker 1: you're unhappy with the play calling and what happened, how
Speaker 1: the season and the Cowboy fans are not happy. The
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Speaker 1: cover the team Cowboys won the division. The Cowboys had
Speaker 1: basically surpassed the win total all three of us had
Speaker 1: for them this shoot. They won twelve football games. They
Speaker 1: would six snow Division, but that got beat at home
Speaker 1: by the San Francisco forty nine ers handily, and Gerald
Speaker 1: Wayne Jones, the owner of the team, isn't happy. Friday.
Speaker 1: He spoke to one oh five three the fan and
Speaker 1: the penalties were something that was brought up. And by
Speaker 1: the way, before we get to that cut, I just
Speaker 1: want to let you know this is what the penalty
Speaker 1: count was yesterday for the teams in that fantastic divisional round.
Speaker 1: Cincinnati in a win, six penalties forty six yards, Tennessee
Speaker 1: two penalties fifteen yards, San Francisco in a win, five
Speaker 1: penalties forty yards, Green Bay five penalties twenty five yards,
Speaker 1: The Rams in a win four penalties forty five yards,
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay four penalties sixty one yards. Kansas City and
Speaker 1: a win, one penalty ten yards, Buffalo three penalties fifteen yards. Oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, they play overtime, we have fourteen fourteen.
Speaker 1: You could add them. We might not so here's Jerry Jones.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get into any conversations that I've had
Speaker 1: with anybody relative to anything to do with the staff.
Speaker 1: I understand the interest in it, but there's nothing compared
Speaker 1: than me. I've got everyone under contract that I want
Speaker 1: to have on a contract, and so that's where we are.
Speaker 1: Only at the extent that some of these other clubs
Speaker 1: under our rules have a right to talk to somebody.
Speaker 1: Do I even have to address that? You spend a
Speaker 1: lot of time. Now, let me be real clear. One
Speaker 1: of the pet peeves I have is that I don't
Speaker 1: like this. Well, we've got to work on this in
Speaker 1: the offseason. We've got to work on this. I don't
Speaker 1: go for that. I've been trying to push that I
Speaker 1: want those things recognized and address after we play Tampa,
Speaker 1: after the first game, or after we play the sixth game.
Speaker 1: I don't want to wait until we're sitting here with
Speaker 1: no season left to address these things we're doing or
Speaker 1: not doing. And so all of that's in the mix
Speaker 1: here and a part of what I do. But that's
Speaker 1: the way I do. As you know, the ultimate decision
Speaker 1: on these coaches or in anywhere around here is one
Speaker 1: that I have to make and so the guy that
Speaker 1: you got to be not got to be. You don't
Speaker 1: have to that you're the toughest owned should be the
Speaker 1: one in the mirror. He's the one that that has
Speaker 1: the ultimate responsibility and consequently I get to operate at
Speaker 1: that gas timeline. So that's Jerry Jones. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the coaching staff and also his opinion about the penalties.
Speaker 1: Fourteen to them. Mike McCarthy said in his press conference
Speaker 1: that's the number one thing they gotta work on. The
Speaker 1: they're gonna work on these penalties, fix it, that's it.
Speaker 1: What about your offense? Yeah, the old line penalties all
Speaker 1: season we need he's gonna be back to April. Better
Speaker 1: a man, are you about to find out how to
Speaker 1: get your office rolling, how to use your plays that
Speaker 1: you're paying twenty thirty million dollars? That's your number one thing.
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna see these those until OTAs and you
Speaker 1: ain't even gonna be a teammatetivity. So you're telling me
Speaker 1: the number one thing you're gonna work on its penalties
Speaker 1: in May. Better work on. There's the coordinator. They need
Speaker 1: to solve that first. We're taking off until May and
Speaker 1: we're gonna work on the penalties when in the lab
Speaker 1: he have the dudes getting the penalties. Might not even
Speaker 1: be on the squad. We're telling you're working on penalties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory may not be doing no. Man, get to offense, right,
Speaker 1: he man, look at all these games. I would I
Speaker 1: would get all my staff in here. We got to
Speaker 1: watch all these games and we need to see what's
Speaker 1: working and what's not, and why we couldn't figure out
Speaker 1: the way to use our weapons the way these dudes
Speaker 1: are using their weapons. I just have a thing in
Speaker 1: my mind when I'm seeing this dude, Trent Williams come
Speaker 1: in motion and it seems simple. It's creative as hell.
Speaker 1: I hate to figure out the way to get your
Speaker 1: It's just using your guys to do what they do best.
Speaker 1: He is a great pulling guy. He can lead a caravan.
Speaker 1: We said the same thing about Leo College. Why he
Speaker 1: ain't pull it more? They find out a way to
Speaker 1: get this dude in motion. He putting all type of
Speaker 1: people on their back. Set them, They set him down.
Speaker 1: Don't make no sense. I get out there watching, you know,
Speaker 1: and figure out what the hell I'm gonna do next season?
Speaker 1: You know, Jerry got all rights to be being pissed,
Speaker 1: and it seems like he is. I mean, he's short
Speaker 1: with all these you know, radio interviews and everything. But
Speaker 1: he has all right to be because you know, he
Speaker 1: brought that guy McCarthy and who me and knew he
Speaker 1: both was on the cool aid the first season. This
Speaker 1: second season going around, I started getting on it as well.
Speaker 1: But he got all right to be upset because this
Speaker 1: is what McCarthy was bright here to do. He's bright
Speaker 1: here to get this team over the hump. He's a
Speaker 1: super Bowl winning coach. He's been to the highest peaks
Speaker 1: of the mountain. He should be that guy. He's been
Speaker 1: in the lab. I'm getting his offense right. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get right. Two seasons, two very disappointing seasons. You got,
Speaker 1: you know, a team that's very undisciplined right now, they
Speaker 1: were the most penalized team in all of football. Came
Speaker 1: back and bait us in the button, the worst type
Speaker 1: of situation, and then then you look at it. It's
Speaker 1: just there's no excuses. You had the number one offense,
Speaker 1: your defense was take into football a way better than
Speaker 1: anybody in the playoffs, anybody in the regular season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then but the number one offense thing though, yes,
Speaker 1: it's it's context. Rick Rick Cosson did an excellent breakdown
Speaker 1: talking about the numbers for the Cowboys. This offense, you're
Speaker 1: averaging forty points a game against that feast, twenty six
Speaker 1: against everybody else. So while you were six and up
Speaker 1: against the East, you basically it's almost like Oklahoma, Okay,
Speaker 1: you should have been beating on everybody. Big twelve. Now
Speaker 1: here comes here comes the Cows football playoffs, and you
Speaker 1: got you can't do nothing but the sec well, don't
Speaker 1: even count to it. The game you don't don't count
Speaker 1: the Washington fifty point game, and don't count the last
Speaker 1: Philly game when the start our starters playing and theirs didn't.
Speaker 1: All right, so you mean this minus does Yeah, you
Speaker 1: put up fifty. That's that's gonna continue to raise you
Speaker 1: up the ranks. I'm just like, like you said, twenty
Speaker 1: six against who was that? The Chargers, the Vikings, uh Denver,
Speaker 1: think about what our offense at offense look like in
Speaker 1: some of those games. But even minus all that, when
Speaker 1: you're one in five against playoff teams, minus all that,
Speaker 1: you still your offense was still be enough to win
Speaker 1: still good enough to win your games out there, you
Speaker 1: had enough weapons to get it. And what did it
Speaker 1: come down to? Mismanagement of time, being undisciplined out there, penalties,
Speaker 1: causing your team to punt the ball or extending other
Speaker 1: people's drives. And to me, that falls on the head coach.
Speaker 1: You gotta make sure that your team is disciplined. You
Speaker 1: gotta make sure you put them in the right position
Speaker 1: to win football games. You have fourteen seconds. We've seen
Speaker 1: what Kansas City was able to do with thirteam. Now
Speaker 1: they had time mounts and all that. I'll give them that,
Speaker 1: But with fourteen you got to be able to make
Speaker 1: up a game player to get your players in the
Speaker 1: right position, and he wasn't able to do that. A
Speaker 1: lot of this year he wasn't able to do that.
Speaker 1: We saw a lot of controversial special teams calls fourth
Speaker 1: and whatever, we're gonna fake punt it, We're gonna do
Speaker 1: this out in the third. So to me, a lot
Speaker 1: of that has to follow on McCarthy. And I can
Speaker 1: see why Jerry Jones is pissed off. This is what happened.
Speaker 1: You ain't call them plays all right, because now everything
Speaker 1: falls on you. You can't even be like, at least
Speaker 1: the offense roller, like I just need to figure out
Speaker 1: a way to get everything else rolling. It's like, now
Speaker 1: you know you managing everything at this point. If you're
Speaker 1: not calling offensive player and you don't have your mind
Speaker 1: on having to figure out what the defense is doing
Speaker 1: all this stuff, then you should damn well be be
Speaker 1: able to say, hey, man, look this this is how
Speaker 1: we're gonna do special teams, or this is how we're
Speaker 1: gonna do on defense, or this is how we're gonna
Speaker 1: call timehouse. You got you gotta have time to do that.
Speaker 1: So Jerry Jones also was asked about guys under contract
Speaker 1: because you're assuming you look at the cap situation, they're
Speaker 1: probably gonna have to let some folks go or at
Speaker 1: least reduce some salaries. Mary Cooper on the books next
Speaker 1: year twenty million bucks. Take on the book books next year,
Speaker 1: twenty million bucks. So here's Jerry Jones on what a
Speaker 1: fight through the fan talking about Mary Cooper. Didn't No,
Speaker 1: I don't have any comment on the Cooper's contract. I
Speaker 1: thought that the way we were playing early when we
Speaker 1: did make something happen, I thought Cooper had a big
Speaker 1: part of it, and I'm not being try but how
Speaker 1: how he fits in? Uh, he should take half the
Speaker 1: field with him when these good runs around half not
Speaker 1: have half. That's an exaggeration, of course, but a whole
Speaker 1: bunch had defense ought to have to honor Cooper, Jerry,
Speaker 1: he ought to be able to catch it in the
Speaker 1: middle of one ace when they're going with it. He's
Speaker 1: one of those kind of receivers, that's for sure. Before
Speaker 1: we let you go, Jerry, others others do you throw
Speaker 1: the people that are covered all the time in the NFL?
Speaker 1: You have to. Most people don't have the numbers of
Speaker 1: the receivers we've had. Okay, he knows Cooper didn't cross
Speaker 1: my listen to Cooper only two one hundred yard games
Speaker 1: this year. He played fifteen of them. Sixty eight catches
Speaker 1: on one hundred and four targets eight hundred eight yards.
Speaker 1: The eight touchdowns that Cooper holding did lead the Cowboys
Speaker 1: in that particular category. Don't forget he gets to have
Speaker 1: us think, don't think that's flying by the wayside, and
Speaker 1: then mind of my man year, please don't so you
Speaker 1: can get out of the contract this year. Okay, the
Speaker 1: money has been paid. The guarantees has been paid do
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars next year. And right now there's three
Speaker 1: guys that if you're the Cowboys, you gotta look at
Speaker 1: their contracts and ask it, can do we pay this one,
Speaker 1: Mark Cooper, because you can get out of it. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna kill you. Take Lawrence and do you want
Speaker 1: to bring Randy Gregory? For all the talk that we've
Speaker 1: had on this show about Randy Gregory, that's six acts,
Speaker 1: six sacks, six and if you look at it, who's
Speaker 1: those undisciplined penalties on? Randy Gregory went out there, he
Speaker 1: was tackling guys with the ball carry over there somewhere.
Speaker 1: He tackling this guy that go that was a third
Speaker 1: down cause the first down. So I got these factors
Speaker 1: I spoke before, right, Yeah, franchise, no, not sen franchise
Speaker 1: six six acts? So what's the tag now for at DN?
Speaker 1: It gotta be like what eighteen at least eighteen? Yeahs
Speaker 1: at least that. But I was looking watching Melvin Ingram
Speaker 1: out there killing for the Chiefs way less the year
Speaker 1: you brought in Robert Quinn got a heck of a
Speaker 1: year bottom of that. Listen to me, is Mark Cooper
Speaker 1: and not because he can't one. As far as much
Speaker 1: as I get on Tyren Smith for being injured and
Speaker 1: not available, we found out every year that something's going
Speaker 1: on with a marshal. Every year there's a reason for
Speaker 1: why and something that he's fighting through to be able
Speaker 1: to stay on the field. Nothing against him. People get injured,
Speaker 1: but it's the same reason. It's the same thing this year.
Speaker 1: We got through the same thing this year, you know.
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna continue to do this for a
Speaker 1: guy you're paying twenty million dollars and old he also
Speaker 1: got eight hundred and eight yards, No man, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I understand the price tag is huge, twenty mills
Speaker 1: is huge, But then you look at it, what are
Speaker 1: we gonna do outside of him? Like, you know, do
Speaker 1: you think Ceedee Lamb can be that number one bona
Speaker 1: fide without any help? Like do you get Cede Lamb
Speaker 1: and then you may be signed back? And said Wilson
Speaker 1: and Michael Gallant, who's coming back from an ACL Like
Speaker 1: you think that receiver Trio could do it. If I
Speaker 1: got twenty million that I'm saving from Amari, then I
Speaker 1: can go spend fifteen sixteen, maybe another twenty on somebody
Speaker 1: who's top notch. I don't know who's gonna be out there.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know who's gonna be out there,
Speaker 1: what trade you can make. But I'm like listening to
Speaker 1: all that. I'm trying to figure out how I can
Speaker 1: get the guy that Jerry is talking about. They throw,
Speaker 1: they throw the guys who covered all the time, and
Speaker 1: these dudes are making catches. He's looking for that type
Speaker 1: of Guy's a Mark Cooper. That guy to you look,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's elite, but it's like to
Speaker 1: get to get another elite guy in here, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to spend at least twenty, and I just don't
Speaker 1: know who out there we can That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We were already paying twenty for somebody who you said,
Speaker 1: ain't it lea He So I give it at twenty
Speaker 1: to somebody else. But I also don't think CD can
Speaker 1: go out here by himself. No, no, no, no, you
Speaker 1: be that guy like Demante Adams. I don't think he
Speaker 1: can go out here and be a DeVante Adam, not
Speaker 1: yet in his career. Yeah, I don't know what we're
Speaker 1: gonna get from Gallup and said Wilson. You know he's
Speaker 1: a gadget guy, but that you know, you still gotta addressing.
Speaker 1: You still gotta address. I'm not saying like let CD
Speaker 1: lamb be be the only guy. I'm saying, but if
Speaker 1: you can save twenty and figure out somewhere used to
Speaker 1: go allocate that. If you if this is the same
Speaker 1: type of production we're gonna get for a market, it's
Speaker 1: not a twenty twenty million production. It's just it's not.
Speaker 1: It's eight hundred eight yards. It's eight hundred yards and seventeen.
Speaker 1: It's a seventeen game season now, So everybody should be
Speaker 1: paddings that for you. It's eight hundred, eight hundred eight
Speaker 1: yards under a thousand. Looking at their twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: base salaries for next year, Dax at twenty million, to
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence is at nineteen Amari Cooper's at twenty million,
Speaker 1: Zack Martin is eleven point eight million, Zeke is at
Speaker 1: twelve point four million, Tyrant Smith is at thirteen million,
Speaker 1: Lell Collins is at ten Can you get out of that,
Speaker 1: Tig Smith? Or has he still got some guaranteed in there? No,
Speaker 1: he's still got They pushed his contract out of Cooper's contract,
Speaker 1: And this was a very deliberate thing by the team.
Speaker 1: They didn't extend his contract out they you stay right here,
Speaker 1: because they clearly had in their minds, if we're gonna reduce,
Speaker 1: we can go right here to Cooper and if Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb becomes a player we expect him to be. We've
Speaker 1: got a number one, so we can let a one
Speaker 1: go and still have a one. So how much was
Speaker 1: Tyrants time was thirteen point five? That's his base, that's
Speaker 1: his base for this year. You've got to reduce that. Damn.
Speaker 1: You got to let that go. He's not healthy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got to pay thirteen million off a dude. You're
Speaker 1: gonna pay him anyways. Yeah. So, but if he's not
Speaker 1: one of those guys who you could depend on to
Speaker 1: be on the field, then it's not helping you anywhere.
Speaker 1: Here's your here's your dead cap hit on Tyrant And
Speaker 1: this is something you just gotta think about all the
Speaker 1: way here. Your dead cap hit is twelve million dollars,
Speaker 1: So you're you're gonna if you do that, then you're
Speaker 1: going six and six. You know, take six million this
Speaker 1: year and then go in the next year and do
Speaker 1: it that way. Um and then in twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: when he's thirty years old, your cap hit is, oh, man,
Speaker 1: man ain't even thirty yet, eight million bucks, So damn
Speaker 1: th year to league, second year lage where he got
Speaker 1: a hit, he'll be He'll be thirty two years old
Speaker 1: this season coming up. So just this, this is the
Speaker 1: what you have to also kind of take into accounts
Speaker 1: if you cut particular player A, what's the cap hit
Speaker 1: and where does it? Where does it hurt you? Yea?
Speaker 1: And with Cooper because you didn't do it because the
Speaker 1: more you keep pushing the money out the way they
Speaker 1: have retiring and the way you have, that's where you
Speaker 1: get into trouble when you want to end up cutting them.
Speaker 1: You don't have that issue with Cooper at all. But
Speaker 1: your dead cap hit for Cooper for twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: is only six million dollars. So you can do three
Speaker 1: this year and three next year. But for tiring, like
Speaker 1: you said, if you release him in his dead camp
Speaker 1: is whatever, So seven it's it's it's yeah, but I'm
Speaker 1: just saying it's it's twelve million. So you do six
Speaker 1: this year and you do save seven because he was
Speaker 1: gonna make thirteen. Ye right, yeah, which I mean it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a real one after that. So but when
Speaker 1: you're just looking at Church were saving money for next year,
Speaker 1: the twenty million from Cooper is gonna be very appealing.
Speaker 1: The nineteen from DeMarcus Lawrence is also gonna be very
Speaker 1: app I don't think you can touch d Laws. Yes
Speaker 1: you can, Yes you can't. I don't think you can
Speaker 1: because if you look at it, he's the only guy
Speaker 1: outside of Parsons on that defensive line that's that's been
Speaker 1: kind of kind of consistent at least when we're talking
Speaker 1: about getting pressure and taking the ball away. How many
Speaker 1: games you playing? He was hurt. I get that when
Speaker 1: he was hurt, he was hurt, But when he came back,
Speaker 1: the man was on fighting and it ain't like he
Speaker 1: you know, who played outside of him, outside of parts
Speaker 1: who played better than him on the defensive side of him?
Speaker 1: You see him, Did he sack anybody? Did he give
Speaker 1: you Aaron Donald like performance? Did anybody on that defense? Well,
Speaker 1: but he'd making more than anybody on defense. But I
Speaker 1: don't if you get if you reduce him, and just
Speaker 1: to say you reduce if he accepts it, if he
Speaker 1: accepts to reduce out who you're gonna're gonna put Randy,
Speaker 1: Randy who's paying him twenty million bucks? Who was paying
Speaker 1: d Law? Somebody who paying d Law twenty million? Somebody
Speaker 1: would play. Look at the end of the day, I
Speaker 1: hope it's a healthy d Law is worth twenty like.
Speaker 1: But I go back to what you were just saying
Speaker 1: about Amari Cooper. I could put that same thing there.
Speaker 1: There's something's always wrong. I'm paying twenty twenty million bucks
Speaker 1: and there's something always wrong, and you're not there. He
Speaker 1: has not been the same player since he signed a contract,
Speaker 1: be it through injury, available, he's not been the same guy.
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting up here now with the ability to
Speaker 1: look at basically forty million dollars with two dudes. If
Speaker 1: I don't pay these guys that forty million dollars, can
Speaker 1: I go out here and plug in these holes? No,
Speaker 1: they may not be Pro Bowl players, guys who have
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl resumes the way Tank Lords and Amory Cooper have.
Speaker 1: But this is where I'm gonna try and depend on
Speaker 1: my coaches and say, let's find some people that fit.
Speaker 1: That's just a lot of money. I mean, Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: is a guy who specializes in letting dudes go, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna plug in some people here. Stuff I don't
Speaker 1: get when he play this year they made the playoffs.
Speaker 1: You got a Will McClay. I ain't. I ain't tu
Speaker 1: d law money, but I'm me, me and Cooper having
Speaker 1: a conversation and it needs to go. Have a conversation
Speaker 1: with Keller Moore. So you're you're gonna pay d law
Speaker 1: his money next year? Nineteen million. By the way, by
Speaker 1: the way, that's um the cap hit. It's twenty seven
Speaker 1: million dollars. The dead cap hit is nineteen So, um,
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna release him. He got you? He got
Speaker 1: you because you can't release them if you really gonna
Speaker 1: put bash him in there, door's armstrong. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just if you if you release them, there's no solution
Speaker 1: there unless you put Parsons there full time. But then
Speaker 1: who's gonna play a lambacker. I think both guys could
Speaker 1: be gone. M I think both guys could be gone.
Speaker 1: I think both guys can legitimately be gone. Because you're
Speaker 1: talking about the numbers and the production and Jerry even
Speaker 1: setting that interview. You know we didn't wasting some careers
Speaker 1: here and pay some folks and wasting some wasting some
Speaker 1: careers here. I just still see how they can keep
Speaker 1: sustaining it forward when you got so many other pieces
Speaker 1: that you gotta fit and some other guys you gotta
Speaker 1: bring back. Let's take a break here. Some news over
Speaker 1: the weekend from NFL Network concerning Sean Payton why it
Speaker 1: can affect the Cowboys. We'll dive in that next on
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Speaker 1: all right. I added it up. It is two point
Speaker 1: eight five million dollars for the seven games that the
Speaker 1: law played this year. Two point two twenty two. Poy,
Speaker 1: there's got to be a reduction in salary. He broke
Speaker 1: his foot. There's gonna be all right, right, but there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a reduction in salary. There's gonna be a reduction,
Speaker 1: Salde Cooper. This is one right now. Something there's a
Speaker 1: reduction in salary for for Tank Lawrence Cooper is most
Speaker 1: likely not here because you've got to fill holes on
Speaker 1: your football team. And Randy Gregory will not be franchise.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm going It's the same thing that told
Speaker 1: him to pay me my money. No, I don't know
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a discussion they have to have. But
Speaker 1: if I'm looking at my defense, I'm saying I think
Speaker 1: that we have a chance to have a damn good
Speaker 1: defense if we can keep some of the correct pieces
Speaker 1: in place. And I think d Law is one of
Speaker 1: those pieces. When you look at some of these teams
Speaker 1: who have a fearsome defensive line, I don't think you
Speaker 1: want to go backwards and losing a tank and possibly
Speaker 1: a Randy six sacks or not. You see guys who
Speaker 1: who are getting who have gotten better this season, and
Speaker 1: I don't think you want to take a step back
Speaker 1: and be like, what are we gonna do with our
Speaker 1: defensive line, because that is a huge part of you
Speaker 1: being able to get interceptions and turnovers by having those
Speaker 1: type of guys. To me, Lord Law, I think you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think they touch his bread. But when you
Speaker 1: talk about Cooping uh and Gregory Coop, I would if
Speaker 1: if we had, I just think it's super I get
Speaker 1: nervous because I don't know what we're gonna do if
Speaker 1: he if he if he's gone, let's just say he's
Speaker 1: gone next year. Do we really think CD gonna be
Speaker 1: that guy? I don't. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: And then you can you look at it email. Maybe
Speaker 1: we can get a we can sign Michael Gallop back
Speaker 1: on a one year kind of prove it type deal,
Speaker 1: maybe get somebody in the slot or resign, said Wilson.
Speaker 1: But I just don't know if CD can be that
Speaker 1: guy that can carry this whole wide receiver unit. I'm
Speaker 1: not so sure about that. So that's what makes me
Speaker 1: nervous about Coop. Randy Gregory, on the other hand, that's
Speaker 1: a toss up to me, because we've seen him come
Speaker 1: in here and we've seen him be on fire at
Speaker 1: the defensive end position. We've seen him coming here in
Speaker 1: three force three forced fumbles in one game, and we've
Speaker 1: seen him get pressure. But your white knew he towards
Speaker 1: that latter half only six sacks. Only six sacks, and
Speaker 1: if you franchise tag him, that's at least eighteen millions.
Speaker 1: So that's a lot going to get your cap. So
Speaker 1: to me, Randy Gregory and Cooper are the interesting ones.
Speaker 1: If I gotta you know, down the sword right now,
Speaker 1: I'm saying Cooper is gone and they franchise Gregory. But
Speaker 1: that's a slippery slope. Man. Let me let me add on,
Speaker 1: because you know what we didn't talk about is what
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones actually said about Amari Cooper. What he said
Speaker 1: was Amark Cooper should be taking half to feel like,
Speaker 1: defenses should be having to plan for this guy, which
Speaker 1: means what he's seeing on tape is defenses aren't having
Speaker 1: it's having to do that, like they do not fear
Speaker 1: the guy who we are are are calling our number
Speaker 1: one receiver. So he's he's also saying, I don't see
Speaker 1: the production outside of what Kelly Moore is. He's saying,
Speaker 1: I don't see the fear factor from other defensive coordinators
Speaker 1: that I think we should for a guy fan twenty
Speaker 1: million dollars, he should be taking half of the defenses.
Speaker 1: What he said, like it's so he's not seen it
Speaker 1: and Jerry Jonah watch the film return on investments what
Speaker 1: he's talking about here, and that's that's legitimate at tension
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Speaker 1: got to also talk about as we're talking about personnel
Speaker 1: who gonna be coordinators. Yeah, I don't expect Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: to be back as the defensive coordinator. The Baltimore Ravens
Speaker 1: have asked to interview your defensive secondary coach Joe Witt
Speaker 1: to be their defensive coordinator. Kellen Moore has also been
Speaker 1: out here getting head coaching opportunities as well. So it's
Speaker 1: going to be a very interesting thing to see exactly
Speaker 1: what's going to happen with the Dallas Cowboys in terms
Speaker 1: of the coaching positions. Speaking of coaching, Ian Rappaport of
Speaker 1: NFL dot Com spoke about Sean Payton, who has not
Speaker 1: committed to being the head coach of the Saints next
Speaker 1: year currently on vacations like I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do this and that. Here's what Sean could potentially
Speaker 1: do do a mini retirement, like hey, Saints. Thanks, I'm good.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk away from three years, forty five million dollars.
Speaker 1: I'm done, sit out of here, do some TV chilling,
Speaker 1: then go back and coach. Just so he could come
Speaker 1: up fast. I've been saying, he tweeted about it and everything.
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do about this year? That's what
Speaker 1: we know. What we know he had going to the lab.
Speaker 1: We know people going to the lab the day he
Speaker 1: gonna call places. So so you've had okay, people say, well,
Speaker 1: you know what cut McCarthy, h Brand, Dan quinn Um,
Speaker 1: Jason locking Ford said, you know, Jerry Jones could fire
Speaker 1: McCarthy and hire Kellen Moore's head coach like that ain't happening.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. We know, Jerry wanted to get
Speaker 1: Sean Payton before, who wanted to one year, tried to
Speaker 1: pursue him, couldn't do it, and he brought back Jason Garrett.
Speaker 1: So he's looked into this before. Sean Payton has also
Speaker 1: had eyes for the Cowboys through back channels. Okay, so
Speaker 1: at one point time, did you just go ahead and
Speaker 1: do this here Jerry seven, Jerry seventy nine years old. Okay,
Speaker 1: he ain't waiting a year. Okay, you're seventy nine years old.
Speaker 1: So instead of the Saints getting nothing for Sean Payton
Speaker 1: and Sean Payne just retiring bird dogging, why don't you
Speaker 1: just go ahead and offer these people first round pick.
Speaker 1: Hey man, look here's our first round pick. Give us
Speaker 1: this coach, Sean, come on down here, here's our team.
Speaker 1: Please fix it, fix this house. What was some of
Speaker 1: these shows? Did you see fix the House or restoration whatever?
Speaker 1: So you saying killing more's gone, then that's what he
Speaker 1: trying to say. I think, ye, I think it's an
Speaker 1: easy fix in this house. I think there are some
Speaker 1: pieces that you need to give an offensive line, and
Speaker 1: I think you have an issue with your offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: at this point. You're either going to make sure that
Speaker 1: he runs the type of stuff that will get your
Speaker 1: return on investment and make this team be more ballanced,
Speaker 1: or you let your head coach be a play caller.
Speaker 1: Like it seems a little simple to me. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: too simple, but that's why I'm going I'm not waiting
Speaker 1: for Sean pay for a year though, And they already
Speaker 1: heard Jerry talking, mind we wasting careers another year. But
Speaker 1: I told you to fix. Hirst ain't gonna get the
Speaker 1: top life tackle though. At twenty four. We looked at
Speaker 1: we looked at the my draft and they had a
Speaker 1: lot of piece of offensive linemen who were who are
Speaker 1: supposed to be getting picked around when we're at But
Speaker 1: what do we know? I mean, we saw what Champagne
Speaker 1: did this year. Okay, Hurricane and put you out of
Speaker 1: your spot. You gotta come over here to Dallas Fort Worth.
Speaker 1: You practicing the tea. So you you practicing, Jerry wor
Speaker 1: you gotta go play a game in Jacksonville. You played
Speaker 1: four quarterbacks. This team almost made the playoff. This man
Speaker 1: knows how to coach. Ye like him. If you get Champagne,
Speaker 1: you're keeping the Mark Cooper because Michael Thomas when out
Speaker 1: there and it looked like a straight monster running slant routes. Okay.
Speaker 1: So so this is a man who, to me, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, if I'm giving up a first room, you
Speaker 1: give it up for a difference maker. This is a
Speaker 1: man who can make a difference. This is also a
Speaker 1: man who you're Jerry You've not You've lusted after from
Speaker 1: a farther Jerry Luster after two dudes, North Turner, Sean
Speaker 1: Payton and dars Bryan because about him in the show
Speaker 1: to my coaches, because they both got away. Because they
Speaker 1: both got away. North Turner almost got the job, but
Speaker 1: north Turner said, Jason ain't calling no plays. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: call plays, and Jerry's like, no, I already put a putting.
Speaker 1: Jason's contract. Hen't called the plays. North Turner messed it up,
Speaker 1: so he hired way Phillips. But you're seventy nine years old.
Speaker 1: You just simply go to the Saints and say, look,
Speaker 1: he's leaving. Okay, he's leaving. You get something for only
Speaker 1: only way I go with that, because your cap is
Speaker 1: messed up. Get something. The only way I go with
Speaker 1: that is if Peyton can make the difference that Quinn
Speaker 1: made on defense, Like if Peyton can make that turnaround
Speaker 1: that I'm awful, Oh no care he will barry, but
Speaker 1: just cannot have you cannot have John Peyton and kill
Speaker 1: them more here, No, no, no, no one. Payton ain't
Speaker 1: gonna be with that. He gonna I'm calling these plays?
Speaker 1: Are we in this fantasy with Newie now? Like it
Speaker 1: ain't happening, it's not. Let's talk about what can really
Speaker 1: happened this season really happen. We're talking about Joe will
Speaker 1: possibly leave if he's bad, Queen possibly leaving. Who we
Speaker 1: gonna get a defensive coordinator? If both of those guys
Speaker 1: he got, then he got hide. Yeah happened. His OFFICI
Speaker 1: corn some pars panthers, That's what it was. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying many want that. Hey, you are seventy nine
Speaker 1: years old. Why are you waiting? You're mad at your
Speaker 1: head coach. Just don't get on the radio and tell
Speaker 1: me you mad do something? What can you do? It's
Speaker 1: laid out here for you. Then you think Sean okay,
Speaker 1: Sean Payton is a smart guy because he worked for Parcels,
Speaker 1: so he understands the whole media thing. You think they
Speaker 1: just put that out there. I heard that whole story
Speaker 1: a week before, the whole story, heard it the week before,
Speaker 1: actually before kickoff the Cowboy forty nine again, heard the
Speaker 1: hold Sean Payton, this guy's putting it out here. He's
Speaker 1: letting it know. I'm done with you. Cap situation bad,
Speaker 1: quarterback situation bad. Hey, man, I did the best I
Speaker 1: could almost wade to play. I'm good though, I'm good.
Speaker 1: Time for me to roll along now. I also know
Speaker 1: this about Sean Sean pa won't go to Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: What is one thing you can do that nobody in
Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Fame as the head coach
Speaker 1: has ever done? What a super Bowl with two different franchises.
Speaker 1: I know what you're doing. I know what you're doing.
Speaker 1: He trying to compete with me. Church, He's trying to
Speaker 1: compete with me because I called dan Quinn and here
Speaker 1: last year in January, I said dan Quinn should be here,
Speaker 1: and now he's trying to do the same thing. But
Speaker 1: he's gonna make us wait a year. Ain't nobody gonna
Speaker 1: tis that's me? You can't take mine? Okay, you got
Speaker 1: negro Doammonds over there was a free agent. I'm not
Speaker 1: who's gonna be our defensive coordinator? If we lose both
Speaker 1: those guys, George jet Wards, I have coach. Yes, I
Speaker 1: have heard the name Mike zil, but to me, Mike
Speaker 1: Zimmer I would be very much more. I would want
Speaker 1: to be on the page of trying to keep what
Speaker 1: I can And look, okay, I'm gonna throw this out
Speaker 1: here too. Guys, goes back to what I've been talking about.
Speaker 1: If you do lose this because your d line coach
Speaker 1: is probably gonna go with Quinn, depending on his contract,
Speaker 1: but most likely because because he can bring him on
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator and then he can get out. But
Speaker 1: if you lose massive amounts of your defensive staff here,
Speaker 1: that makes Sean Payton even more people bringing his ass
Speaker 1: with Dennis Allen, who I think he went to ld
Speaker 1: Bell High School. So look, there's options. He's he's got
Speaker 1: a lot to think about. Who Jerry about the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about your coaches? Who's leading think about? He
Speaker 1: ain't think about you account baby next year names because
Speaker 1: they gonna be back. Okay, say just me, just you know,
Speaker 1: this could end up just like my super Bowl, Just
Speaker 1: like my Super Bowl picks and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: I made something September. Next thing I know, it's hanging around.
Speaker 1: It's still hanging around here. It was I picked the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers in Kansas City to make the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: That could happen? Could it could ha could happen. It
Speaker 1: could happen. It could happen. At least fifty percent of
Speaker 1: it can because that San Francisco just lost the I
Speaker 1: mean just beat the Rams and twice I think shot
Speaker 1: me bass like one in five, one in set, something
Speaker 1: like that. The Bengals got to go to Kansas City,
Speaker 1: this stuff. So so I'm just saying, Man, I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: but obviously the owner is upset. They got twenty one
Speaker 1: free agents. You're not bringing back the same football team
Speaker 1: with twenty one free agents, especially defensively, and with two coordinators,
Speaker 1: having multiple head coaching interviews, and now you've got you
Speaker 1: know what, offensive persisted, Ben mcadoo's gone, um, possibly losing
Speaker 1: Joe with you. You got some serious changes that are
Speaker 1: gonna happening for this football team disorganization. Okay, one last question,
Speaker 1: So do you feel differently now because I looked over
Speaker 1: there last week and I said, Jerry mean business this time.
Speaker 1: He upset he not playing with these dudes because he said,
Speaker 1: this is the most talent that he's seen and this
Speaker 1: is probably the most disappointed that he's going to be
Speaker 1: if we don't make a deep run into the playoff
Speaker 1: possibly super Bowl. The way he sounds, now, do you
Speaker 1: do you feel any differently about him actually being for
Speaker 1: real about making some changes if it didn't go the
Speaker 1: way that he expected it to go. A part of
Speaker 1: me wonders, what's theater in terms of Hey, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna let everybody tell everybody I'm mad here. Coaches make
Speaker 1: make feel verse, you know, because we can all say things,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? What are you gonna do? And
Speaker 1: to me, if you really are upset, you got an
Speaker 1: option to actually fix your problem. There's an option that's
Speaker 1: out there. It's a matter of whether or not you,
Speaker 1: Jerry the businessman, want to go make it work. So
Speaker 1: you do feel differently. You think you're serious. I think
Speaker 1: you'll have a serious I believe there'll be a serious
Speaker 1: back conversation with Sean Payton, and then it's a matter
Speaker 1: of getting it towards gil Gail Benson of the Saints.
Speaker 1: Because if Sean Payton is gonna quit, yeah, if he's
Speaker 1: gonna quit, I'm the Saints. That's a big if though,
Speaker 1: But Sean Payton says I'm gonna retire. If he says
Speaker 1: I'm gonna retire, I'm just telling you right now, I
Speaker 1: go to Jared and if I'm Jerry going, hey, look,
Speaker 1: before before you get nothing, let me give you something.
Speaker 1: Big Newton, who we who we need to who we
Speaker 1: need to be? The head coach him? Man, Oh, you
Speaker 1: ain't gonna say he gonna come in the studio or
Speaker 1: now I say nothing, Big Newton, you gotta give us
Speaker 1: something I can share. Let's go ahead on. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: So who is it? Your MIC's on? Now? Now you're
Speaker 1: you gotta say something? Now the MIC's don't say. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna listen to these great minds and you know,
Speaker 1: share these opinions in my next It ain't gonna give
Speaker 1: us something. So I just I just finished wrapping this up.
Speaker 1: He said, Sean Payton is gonna be the next head
Speaker 1: coach here this year. They said we should. He said,
Speaker 1: we should trade our verse twenty first round draft pick,
Speaker 1: bring Peyton in here and let him, let him do work.
Speaker 1: What you think, man, you think it's possible. They're not
Speaker 1: going to give up any control of personnel wise, So
Speaker 1: that would not work because because Peyton want that, he
Speaker 1: want that, he has to have that. Yeah, well there
Speaker 1: you go, there you go. You heard him. You heard
Speaker 1: it from the Hall of Fame. You heard it. You
Speaker 1: heard I set him down. Sorry News, I get out
Speaker 1: the studio. I'm seventy nine years old, I'm running out
Speaker 1: of time. I'll give some concessions to get what I want.
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