Speaker 1: Ligitly like ligitly, like who is it?
Speaker 2: Them? Kept saying big vicelt ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was awesome, awesome, yeah advice. Wait wait, wait,
Speaker 3: that's an old nigga game. There are no there are
Speaker 3: no twenty year old vice Lord.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 4: I said about Latin Kings, Like that's true, Like, bro,
Speaker 4: there's no twenty five year old Latin Kings.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 5: Gen's looking at old outside of New York. Gen is
Speaker 5: an old nigga gang too. Like I've seen the picture
Speaker 5: of Mike em stowing up GD and I literally was
Speaker 5: crying laught. But like, wait five minutes, my girls like
Speaker 5: stop just making it weird. And I'm just kind of like, bro, Mike,
Speaker 5: It's like yeah, yeah, he's one side of that.
Speaker 3: I like, bro, what are you talking about?
Speaker 5: They don't even put niggas on them gangs gangs no more.
Speaker 5: All the ship is closed, all the clothes right now.
Speaker 6: All the new gangs are just like they're all names.
Speaker 6: All the names are like arithmetic, like yeah, they're all numbers.
Speaker 3: They're like ten seventeen g side eight four.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 5: I'm not good at math, so I don't know that
Speaker 5: was That was from late eighty ship.
Speaker 3: Name of ship ship like the Vice Lords. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Ship, like, bro, like what are we doing that ship?
Speaker 5: Like it's got a holy text the like, like you
Speaker 5: got to read the literature?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, nig give me a switch, bro, let's track
Speaker 3: it man. Yeah yeah, I don't read the book the
Speaker 3: gang Bang. I don't need to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the basics.
Speaker 3: Bro. If I was going to read a book, I
Speaker 3: probably wouldn't. Your gang they just let me gang man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'd be like, yo, you gotta know your history.
Speaker 6: No, y'all in the same penitentiary.
Speaker 3: I could just come.
Speaker 5: Over there some one of y'all.
Speaker 3: Yo, let's still don't know. Oh this niggas like fifty Yeah,
Speaker 3: we all in rison again. Yeah, it's a nigga.
Speaker 2: With the Coofye. He's like, we're gonna talk to him
Speaker 2: in the yard, bro.
Speaker 6: And the history, It's like, why would I read the
Speaker 6: text when the motherfucker that wrote the text is my selly?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: If I was if I was trying to join the
Speaker 5: club with a bunch of niggas and a bunch of
Speaker 5: guns to read a bunch of books.
Speaker 3: I would be a black panther. Yeah, I would not
Speaker 3: be not be whatever the fuck? You know what I'm saying, y'o,
Speaker 3: what's up man?
Speaker 2: You know what it is, man's victory like were here.
Speaker 4: We have a very special guest in the building to day.
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: We got North carolized findings.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Arlotte is in the motherfucker building. Just bought on like
Speaker 4: a mellow.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. That was a bar old man.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna spit it myself.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Mom's in the building today.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, motherfucker noise.
Speaker 5: Got damny that right, baby?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Mommy and building. You don't
Speaker 3: really know.
Speaker 6: We joined by the by the usual suspects. May welcome,
Speaker 6: Welcome to and watch it.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you for having me. I love it here. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm figuring it out. Yeah. I used to hate New York.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, because it's because I lived here during the
Speaker 5: pandemic and it was like super trash.
Speaker 7: The worst time to be here.
Speaker 6: Really, because as a New York native, I thought it
Speaker 6: was the best time to be here.
Speaker 3: No, for me, it was.
Speaker 2: Amazing because we're in the credit.
Speaker 7: But imagine visiting New York and then having to say
Speaker 7: it's tide.
Speaker 3: The only thing good was the credit card fraud. Nothing
Speaker 3: else was.
Speaker 5: Funs everything was everything was going now, everything was good.
Speaker 2: I liked it as a graffiti writer.
Speaker 4: Ye, It's like I could go outside at like eight
Speaker 4: o'clock at night and it was nobody Like I was
Speaker 4: just doing I feel like I was playing the video
Speaker 4: game The Mark Echo video games, just tagging it up
Speaker 4: and broad Day like this is fun. But if you're
Speaker 4: visiting bro and like you just get here and there's
Speaker 4: nobody outside, there's no motion, there's no activity, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: As the best thing about the pandemic was the Cross
Speaker 6: Bronx Expressway being completely dead at four thirty pm. That
Speaker 6: was something I never thought i'd see in my lifetime.
Speaker 4: Brod Like, it's fast, You're like, yo, this is crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I'm on there, I'm
Speaker 3: on there, bumping meante like you know.
Speaker 6: What I'm saying, Like maybe maybe I could run up
Speaker 6: a play right now.
Speaker 3: It ain't no traffic. I'm saying, Oh my god, you
Speaker 3: happen to half an hour? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What makes me come back to New York though?
Speaker 3: Work man?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Hip hop nice. I like. I like New York. I
Speaker 3: like it. My dad's a five percent word.
Speaker 5: Oh we're god so like we some catching niggas that
Speaker 5: enjoyed New York stuff. Yeah, I love I love it here.
Speaker 5: The food is good, the people are cool. I think
Speaker 5: New York people are nicer than LA people.
Speaker 7: Yeah that's you see, that's I've heard.
Speaker 3: I've heard it said.
Speaker 6: I forgot who said it, but uh, in New York, like,
Speaker 6: if somebody want to tell you a go fuck yourself,
Speaker 6: they'll tell you to go fuck yourself. In LA, if
Speaker 6: somebody want to tell you to go fuck yourself, they'll say,
Speaker 6: let's do lunch.
Speaker 3: It's like it's very fank for a better word. You know, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's definitely a lot of bullshit. It's like, yeah, what
Speaker 3: do you Yeah, what do you do? So cool?
Speaker 4: I feel like New York is very much like I
Speaker 4: don't know if it's a bronze thing or just general
Speaker 4: New York City energy where it's like, oh shit, that's
Speaker 4: my v but like, I'll see you crossing across the street.
Speaker 2: I could be the biggest fan in the world.
Speaker 4: The most you gonna get out of me is yeah,
Speaker 4: it's to go over there, ask for Sophie and Dick, right,
Speaker 4: that's crazy.
Speaker 5: It's one of two things, Like with New York niggas,
Speaker 5: it's like either like.
Speaker 3: Oh ship yeah, salute, oh yeah.
Speaker 5: And then like I'm checking out my stuff and they're like, yo,
Speaker 5: yeah we fuck with you.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. You'd be saved here, or.
Speaker 5: It's like your own god son, I poke a nigga,
Speaker 5: he fuck with you out. There's something about me as
Speaker 5: a nigga, like I guess I'm a sweetie. A lot
Speaker 5: of niggas like want me to know that they would
Speaker 5: do an active violence on my behalf.
Speaker 2: Like yo, broo bro point point him out.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, bro, I'm not. You know, it's crazy.
Speaker 6: But as as somebody like as as someone who also
Speaker 6: like makes music and ship bro, you'd be surprised, like
Speaker 6: how how many people don't feel heard until they hear
Speaker 6: you and.
Speaker 3: They're like, yo, he really know me, And it's.
Speaker 6: Like, Yo, you saved my life, so now I would
Speaker 6: do anything for you ship you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, It's like it's good because like you could be
Speaker 5: a baby coat leader like this and.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I look at like yeah, all you have
Speaker 5: to do is rap and then you get a hair them.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, You get an armed guard
Speaker 6: by Yeah, you know you can get deep yo, yo.
Speaker 6: Next album, the Book of Mob.
Speaker 3: Mob Bro. We're gonna all.
Speaker 5: Move into like a fucking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be nice.
Speaker 2: Y'all all got swe like the full body.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be belore. Yeah. Yeah, that's the uniform.
Speaker 3: It's the baby fat track suit for the shorties, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And plate shoes like the plate socks. We don't walk
Speaker 5: around with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be Vie.
Speaker 2: With the grip, full risk.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Whenever you come down here though, like is this something
Speaker 4: that like like a certain spot or like certain people
Speaker 4: that you're like, Yo, I gotta go check my folks out,
Speaker 4: or this spot. I gotta go get a meal from
Speaker 4: so and so.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I go to like.
Speaker 5: Lambs a Lot Orchard, Dommy Stevie got the Shop.
Speaker 3: I love it out there. I go to like Daily Paper.
Speaker 5: I go to like Tony Souson Studio pretty much every time.
Speaker 6: Where shout out Tony Tony pinball too.
Speaker 2: Oh all right.
Speaker 5: I go to a bunch of museums though, like I
Speaker 5: go to the Whitney Google, Yeah, party much every time.
Speaker 3: I'm a big museum nigga.
Speaker 4: Do you like because you know how they be like yo,
Speaker 4: you can donate whatever you want. Like some people be
Speaker 4: like yo, here's a dollar nigga. That's young nigga.
Speaker 5: Math If you are twenty five years and younger, you
Speaker 5: are a free member of the Whitney.
Speaker 3: Let that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, gotta let him know arts education nigga from Lobbie.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I'll be no, but I pay the r.
Speaker 6: But what's crazy is that as such a community driven person,
Speaker 6: I mean, for all the work you're doing with the kids,
Speaker 6: especially in the four right, like you would think that
Speaker 6: you would be on some like oh no, you got
Speaker 6: to give these institutions their paper so they can stay open.
Speaker 3: Like the nigga.
Speaker 5: Money man. Do you see the fundraiser it's on fucking ABC.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, a lot of money they don't need. They
Speaker 3: don't need, they don't that's the ship.
Speaker 4: It's like niggas. I feel like people don't understand, like
Speaker 4: the met Galla is a fundraiser. Yeah, like we're raising
Speaker 4: money for this.
Speaker 2: This is not just like yo, we're cool clothes guys.
Speaker 5: Let's hang out and then like fine art is just
Speaker 5: like rich nigga trading cards. Like some rich nigga was like,
Speaker 5: I just did fucking Heroin in the bathroom with John
Speaker 5: Michelle Bosquiat and this nigga's hard and I'm finna put
Speaker 5: this in my house. Then some other rich nigga as
Speaker 5: some other heroin sex party at that rich nigga house, was.
Speaker 2: Like, what the fuck is that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like, Nigga, I just gave this young nigga.
Speaker 5: John Michelle Boska a quarter million dollars for this.
Speaker 3: That nigga calls John Michelle ba Like, Nigga, here's a
Speaker 3: million dollars for that. That's how the art market works.
Speaker 7: Just like that makes sense.
Speaker 5: Ship that rich nigga seen at another rich nigga house
Speaker 5: that he thought was cool.
Speaker 2: Really, that's the bro Holy shit.
Speaker 4: So this podcast is named Victory, like because I had
Speaker 4: a blog that I wrote years.
Speaker 2: Ago, bro, when I was very very very very.
Speaker 4: Broken Violet, and I feel like this is a full
Speaker 4: circle moment because I have to other than that then
Speaker 4: I broke. But they're equally violent, you know what I'm
Speaker 4: saying Young individuals that I'm like trying to close the loop.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying as the old loop of violence.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So you saying that, bro takes me back because I
Speaker 4: wrote a whole essay about like, your fine art is bullshit.
Speaker 2: The art world is bullshit.
Speaker 4: It's really just like yo, yeah nah, this is because
Speaker 4: I went to our basil. You don't remember the banana thing, yeah,
Speaker 4: the banana tape to the wall.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, bro, this is crazy, like this is.
Speaker 4: Like this is art that she used to give me
Speaker 4: so mad because like as like you know, as a
Speaker 4: good video artist. I'm like, yo, I go outside, I'm
Speaker 4: spending mad time to do this sketch and then do
Speaker 4: this and then that. I'm like, this is art, bro, y'all,
Speaker 4: y'all the graph, the graph, guys, especially y'all.
Speaker 6: I keep be risking y'all lives.
Speaker 5: That's that's a real, honest, like holy kind of way.
Speaker 3: To do art.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah when there's risk involved, right by
Speaker 6: falling off some ship or go to jail.
Speaker 2: You feel me?
Speaker 4: So you see my message? Yo, I was here and
Speaker 4: I went over this other guy. He's pussy like. Sometimes
Speaker 4: it's deep, it's like yo, you know, like free palacid.
Speaker 4: But sometimes it's just like yo, your man is pussy,
Speaker 4: you know, Yeah, I want something.
Speaker 3: Niggas is really pissy. Like I can see.
Speaker 5: I can see if like we value art like okay,
Speaker 5: it costs me this many years to get nice, it
Speaker 5: costs me this much in canvas, this much whatever, and
Speaker 5: then like it would be a more equitable economy for
Speaker 5: any nigga who nice.
Speaker 3: But you know it's trendy because like.
Speaker 5: I always say, like the best rapper ever is doing life, yeah,
Speaker 5: one hundred percent, oh dead Yeah, best hooper too, and
Speaker 5: best painter too, Like the best painter is not getting
Speaker 5: the best painter is not in the mat Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: if one exists.
Speaker 2: You know what, I didn't make this sh it up,
Speaker 2: but I've heard it.
Speaker 4: Talent don't give a fuck where it's born, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, or where it comes from the circumstances
Speaker 4: that it's in. So to your point, there's a motherfucker
Speaker 4: out right now that rap out wrap everybody in this building,
Speaker 4: right and that to.
Speaker 2: Get on someone on campbell ship.
Speaker 6: But this motherfuckers that touch right now, way, hold on,
Speaker 6: hold on, We're not doing that.
Speaker 3: We're not doing that.
Speaker 6: You speaking speaking of the art, and like how you saying, like, yo,
Speaker 6: the best artist is not gonna get his shine.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about this?
Speaker 7: Like, I'm just it's a family graduat.
Speaker 6: In how do you how do you have the whole
Speaker 6: eighth grade graduation about him?
Speaker 2: Talk about kids right now?
Speaker 3: Congratulations in the class of twenty thirty two.
Speaker 2: Shut y'all.
Speaker 5: Hey, Which, by the way, we were talking about this
Speaker 5: before if we was holling take a point.
Speaker 6: But yeah, because you were talking because you you you
Speaker 6: made a good point. So I figured now as good
Speaker 6: a time as any to bring it up because you're
Speaker 6: saying the best like artist, the best at anything is
Speaker 6: not gonna get the shine or they're gonna they're gonna
Speaker 6: die or go to jail or whatever. Right, So, how
Speaker 6: do you feel about this recent obsession with like first
Speaker 6: week sales and like numbers.
Speaker 3: And like how does that like you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Like between that, like because I feel like people are
Speaker 6: misconstruing the tooth where it's like, if you're not selling
Speaker 6: the crazy numbers, then your.
Speaker 3: Shit must not be good.
Speaker 6: And I think that metric is so dishonest. Yeah, So
Speaker 6: like I just want to let your take on it.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 5: I think one fucked up thing trend to cross the
Speaker 5: entertainment is that.
Speaker 3: One of my favorite rappers is Draco the Ruler.
Speaker 5: He has a song he says how many times I
Speaker 5: got to say, if you're a fan, just be a fan. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and so like so in wrestling, there was like this
Speaker 5: thing in like the nineties called the man Shiero screw Drive,
Speaker 5: where like a nigga was supposed to like lose the
Speaker 5: titles of the other nigga didn't want to do it.
Speaker 3: They ended up sucking him out of the title.
Speaker 5: Vince McMahon runs down everybody knows wrestling his faith.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So from.
Speaker 5: That day forward, the main drama on wrestling was not
Speaker 5: what played out on screen. It was what we knew
Speaker 5: about the wrestler is actual behind the scenes rivalries and dissatisfactions,
Speaker 5: and this guy's bringing in this much money to the company,
Speaker 5: so he should be the champion. And so I think
Speaker 5: that is basically this fourth wall breaking kind of.
Speaker 3: Fandom is like kind of the.
Speaker 5: Flavor of the week as far as like today, So
Speaker 5: I think that's it's the same thing. Like people are like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, my favorite pop diva isn't getting marketed.
Speaker 5: That's why she shouldn't have signed to this person. It's
Speaker 5: just like I think y'all should shut the fuck up, honestly,
Speaker 5: Like do you know?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 5: So I'm gona put it like this, So fifteen hundred
Speaker 5: streams is like.
Speaker 3: Is like one sale, right, So for somebody.
Speaker 5: To do twenty thousands streams, they making a first I
Speaker 5: mean twenty thousand sales. First week they got fifteen hundred streams,
Speaker 5: twenty thousand song across all them songs. Like, that's a
Speaker 5: lot of fucking that's a lot of success.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of impact.
Speaker 5: And I think, like I miss when like there was
Speaker 5: a time where you just had a CD with their
Speaker 5: face on it, or if you had a van wrapped
Speaker 5: with your face on it, if you had a music
Speaker 5: video that people could watch. It's like, oh shit, that's real.
Speaker 3: That was official. I was watching It was like a
Speaker 3: push A T and Mallice.
Speaker 5: Interview and they were talking about they had an album
Speaker 5: that was supposed to come out on a lecture that
Speaker 5: before Laura Willing that got cand or whatever, and the
Speaker 5: interviewer basically asked them like, how did you feel about
Speaker 5: your first single not doing what you thought it would
Speaker 5: do or not being what you wanted it to be,
Speaker 5: and Push was like, Nigga, we shot a.
Speaker 3: Music video, right, Like that's huge.
Speaker 5: So I think like, yeah, I think the valuation needs
Speaker 5: to go into like how in a black box of
Speaker 5: me and this piece of art, how do I feel
Speaker 5: not in the marketplace culturally or financially?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Literally, Like.
Speaker 7: The Internet has a lot to do with that too.
Speaker 7: When they get into this, it's like, bro, you can
Speaker 7: just exist and enjoy what you like. Instead, people are
Speaker 7: like they create this world where it's just like no,
Speaker 7: I have to fight for my favorite artist rights, even
Speaker 7: down to like defending the bad shit that they do. Yes,
Speaker 7: it's a weird culture. Yeah, And it's like, realistically, can
Speaker 7: you fill a room with twenty thousand people? You know,
Speaker 7: like the motherfuckers who's.
Speaker 3: Saying, Yo, you're trash.
Speaker 7: You you only sold twenty, you only sold thirty, only
Speaker 7: sold a hundred.
Speaker 2: It's like, remember what these numbers are in real time?
Speaker 2: I've been trying to tell people all the time.
Speaker 4: I'm like, yo, if you think about it, like you said,
Speaker 4: like if you had a van wrap, if you had
Speaker 4: a show somewhere, like back in the day, it was
Speaker 4: very it was more like black and white. Now with
Speaker 4: the streaming and everything, everything is like more abstract than
Speaker 4: you got to find a way to make this equal that.
Speaker 4: But like to your point, BRO, back then, it was like, Yo,
Speaker 4: big pun albums coming out. It's going to this record store.
Speaker 4: You go there, you see him and it's like, Yo,
Speaker 4: it's like did the start I've just send sign and your.
Speaker 2: Sneakers or some shit like that.
Speaker 4: It's like, Yo, this this is crazy, Like this is
Speaker 4: a real thing. And then you realize like the impact
Speaker 4: that the artist has, Bro, because you go you go
Speaker 4: to that record store, there's a line wrapped around the
Speaker 4: block to see this one person just to get the
Speaker 4: a CD sign, so ay for it, and then get
Speaker 4: the shit sign. And then on the other side of
Speaker 4: it too, it's like, Yo, this person's doing a show.
Speaker 4: It's a five thousand seater. They sold that bitch out
Speaker 4: in five minutes. That means something, right, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying?
Speaker 3: Like, right, you know, whenever I whenever I like feel
Speaker 3: weird about my art, I'm sure.
Speaker 6: You know exactly what I mean, Like, whenever I feel
Speaker 6: weird about my art and I'm like, why the fuck
Speaker 6: am I doing this shit. I go back and I
Speaker 6: watch the fucking that Kendrick and j Rob best Buy
Speaker 6: It performance. Come on, I watched that ship all the
Speaker 6: time where I'm like, yo, look at look at look
Speaker 6: at God in real time, bro. And what's crazy is like,
Speaker 6: it's probably not more than like forty fifty people there.
Speaker 3: But when you got the when you got the when
Speaker 3: you got.
Speaker 6: The sidekick footage, that shit fucking around it looked like
Speaker 6: not a square. Yeah you got the whole, the whole, bro,
Speaker 6: the whole.
Speaker 3: That'st by screaming yeah, bitch, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: That's a moment that like y'all had Mike on here,
Speaker 5: Like Mike just did seventy one cities, right, yeah, in
Speaker 5: all seventy one was like jumping, But it didn't. There's
Speaker 5: no way that began like that. It's like it's just
Speaker 5: straight by like perseverance and like continuing, and it kind
Speaker 5: of it fucks up the marketplace creatively for the kids
Speaker 5: because it's like.
Speaker 3: Kids feel like.
Speaker 5: A sense of like perfectionism that we didn't have. But like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: my first time out, I need to have this much
Speaker 5: avagerable success. I need to have this much a visible impact. Yeah,
Speaker 5: when like it used to be you just pushed through
Speaker 5: the five people in the crowd. You just had to
Speaker 5: do that a bunch of times, and like, yeah, people
Speaker 5: feeling like too visible on some emperors new clothes ship. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it like fucks up. How how risky we able to be?
Speaker 5: How like enthusiastic were able to be? I always say,
Speaker 5: like it's I went to Japan recently and I realized
Speaker 5: in America we have like we have a crisis of
Speaker 5: like we don't like being genuine or like enthusiastic.
Speaker 2: Oh that's cringe.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we like we like live in irony. Yeah you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. So yeah, just like everything operating
Speaker 5: out this subtext of irony. Unless you like just doing
Speaker 5: pure dominance where you got all the chains and whether
Speaker 5: you are a laying person or a cool person or
Speaker 5: a funny person or not you get universal praise. It's
Speaker 5: stopping people from doing stuff that may look embarrassing or
Speaker 5: look yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's like an aversion to risk with
Speaker 4: the youth now that they didn't used to be back
Speaker 4: in the day.
Speaker 2: Like I would try anything back in the day, Like.
Speaker 4: I skateboarded, I did all this other ship, and I
Speaker 4: was just like, Yo, I'm gonna try to do this
Speaker 4: trick one hundred time. I'm gonna bust my ass ninety times.
Speaker 4: Bro on, Like yo, y'all can film this, it don't matter.
Speaker 4: It's gonna look cool when y'all put it together later.
Speaker 4: Oh I bailed twenty times.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But like now it's like kids are like yo, yo,
Speaker 4: they're gonna flame me, bro if I upload this shit,
Speaker 4: bro like chill, like we gotta.
Speaker 2: Go back to the lab, Like no, you don't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like just give your shit runway.
Speaker 4: That's what I tell like young creatives all the time,
Speaker 4: like as the as the Unk, I'm like, Yo, just
Speaker 4: give yourself runway, bro, give yourself grace.
Speaker 2: Do what you do, Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I mean that's yo.
Speaker 6: Honestly, Like that's how we linked up, like me and
Speaker 6: Merrow because Merrow.
Speaker 3: Like like I did not.
Speaker 6: It was like I've said this before on the show,
Speaker 6: but I was making YouTube videos.
Speaker 3: It was getting like fifty one hundred.
Speaker 6: Views max right, and I felt so stupid and like
Speaker 6: literally like I was up till two am. My son
Speaker 6: asleep on my chest. I'm editing like this I'm like,
Speaker 6: I'm like moving his like little baby fucking head out the.
Speaker 3: Way, and I'm like all right, so I hit upload.
Speaker 3: You don't through no type of numbers.
Speaker 6: I'm like, fuck, man, what did I waste all that
Speaker 6: time for? Merrow sees the ship and he's like, yo,
Speaker 6: like I fuck with you? I like this, did you
Speaker 6: do all this? I'm like yeah, yeah, yes. They're like, yo,
Speaker 6: come work with us in showtime. So it's like I
Speaker 6: think it's like you were saying, how like people don't
Speaker 6: want to embrace ingenuity because they want to just do
Speaker 6: whatever the cool thing is.
Speaker 3: And like that's what I appreciate.
Speaker 6: About Japan as well, where like they just funk with
Speaker 6: what they fuck with, like bro, like bro, they like
Speaker 6: they they're obsessed with like Levi's wranglers, lee jeans, like
Speaker 6: like American denim is Like like why because you come
Speaker 6: up here in Japanese dollars, Like they really they don't
Speaker 6: give a fuck about Amiri's and ship like that. They
Speaker 6: see you in some leaves from Walmart and they're like yo,
Speaker 6: just because just because it's yeah. They're like they're like, oh,
Speaker 6: do denim on this car? And You're like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's it. It's like it's it's like a barter system.
Speaker 6: They're like, yo, they're so they're so great about like
Speaker 6: exchanging cultures. That's why you you will You will hardly
Speaker 6: ever see a Japanese person complain about like cultural appropriation.
Speaker 6: They will be like, yo, nah we fuck with this
Speaker 6: that you fuck with this thing.
Speaker 3: That we made.
Speaker 5: Yeah, They're okay with being excited about being enthusiastic about
Speaker 5: being into something. Yeah, like and I yeah, I missed that.
Speaker 3: Yeah I missed that.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah that shit man that listen that ship is
Speaker 4: is missing in a real way. And like talking about
Speaker 4: the culture of Japan and like cultural appropriation, there's some
Speaker 4: things even here, like in the United States, like when
Speaker 4: you go somewhere as close as New York, North Carolina,
Speaker 4: this thing's bro. When I'm on tour, if I'm out
Speaker 4: in different cities and I go down south, it fucks
Speaker 4: me up because everybody's mad polite, not like Canadian.
Speaker 2: Polite, where it's just like oh, everybody's just like hey,
Speaker 2: how you doing.
Speaker 4: Like you can't walk past somebody in the street and
Speaker 4: without them being like acknowledging you, and I'm like I'm
Speaker 4: walking my head down, like I'm from New York.
Speaker 2: I'm walking around looking at right just like man ud
Speaker 2: like if you walk.
Speaker 7: Like we're just used to being.
Speaker 2: That and like on a mission in my own world
Speaker 2: type of ship.
Speaker 4: What is something about New York, like on the flip
Speaker 4: side of it that fucks you up?
Speaker 5: Like, Oh, I think one thing y'all may underappreciate is that,
Speaker 5: like there are.
Speaker 3: So many people trying some shit.
Speaker 5: Some Me and my girl we be laughing sometimes because
Speaker 5: she like all these niggas in Charlotte that say they
Speaker 5: want to do this and this and this, they really
Speaker 5: just need to like go to New York and like
Speaker 5: sleep on somebody's couch and say, yo, I'm really going
Speaker 5: hard at this and like be the person going the
Speaker 5: hardest at it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, the whole city is.
Speaker 2: That the.
Speaker 5: Niggas from there, the niggas that move there is a
Speaker 5: whole city of the niggas who are the most like
Speaker 5: willing to risk it all like most sacrificial people. I think,
Speaker 5: like the like, I know it's cliche that y'all hustle,
Speaker 5: but it's definitely uh true, like the fact that people
Speaker 5: run really hard at things that are not remunerative economically.
Speaker 3: Or that there may not be.
Speaker 5: Like a clear predecessor to the things they do, and
Speaker 5: like how they make the memes that like the NYU
Speaker 5: graduate of like the historical significance of black femine.
Speaker 3: It is like, where are you going to get a
Speaker 3: job for that?
Speaker 5: A lot of New York is like a bunch of
Speaker 5: people who find they're one thing and like run at that.
Speaker 3: I really fucked with that, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: Also New York is one of those places where like, Yo,
Speaker 6: the nicest rapper you know has like a ba in
Speaker 6: like anthropology or something, you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 6: it's like, Yo, we didn't there just wasn't.
Speaker 3: It just wasn't no work for that out here.
Speaker 6: But Yo, speaking of hustling, bro, like how you said
Speaker 6: the whole city is that?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 6: I'm from New York. I'm also a rapper. I'm also
Speaker 6: a producer. I'm around creatives all day. And the hardest
Speaker 6: hustler I know is from North Carolina. My boy June.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you fuck with Joe, Oh yeah.
Speaker 6: June is really like that. He's on He's on on
Speaker 6: the internet every day, on Twitter every day, flipping something
Speaker 6: anything viral, anything, go viral. He's stripping the vocals, putting
Speaker 6: his own ship over it, like Yo, tap in for beats,
Speaker 6: taping for commissions, tapping for engineering.
Speaker 3: I don't know anybody that hustles as.
Speaker 2: Hard as June.
Speaker 3: Shout out, June, shout out the four man tap out.
Speaker 2: Speaking of Charlotte, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You he says it right there, Mayor you know yeah, sure, yeah,
Speaker 4: King and his city.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Let's talk about Charlotte because
Speaker 2: the mayor, Yeah, you rerap it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You know Ball, Yeah, So let's talk about the Hornets
Speaker 4: for a little bit.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the harness.
Speaker 2: Please you what would you do as a front office?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: First of all, let's get your honest opinion on the team,
Speaker 4: the direction where they're going, because shout out to Kimba Walker.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, that's my guy. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Charlotte Hornet legends. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: Bronx legend and bro he is like he's him out there, yeah, Devin,
Speaker 4: So if he out there, trophy, I'm like, what is
Speaker 4: LaMelo Ball? Out there, he's out there whipping the arrri Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's having too much fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: So I really like Mellow, d Meller, Moles Bridges.
Speaker 3: That's a really good court to me.
Speaker 5: And we have like all the draft capital and like
Speaker 5: all the all the cap space in the world, and
Speaker 5: we don't really have to pay anybody to like twenty
Speaker 5: twenty eight. So I'm like, do we want to win
Speaker 5: because we got some like I always say, like like
Speaker 5: we were going to trade Mark Williams to the Lakers earlier
Speaker 5: this season. I'm like, you've seen the same thing with
Speaker 5: PJ Washington.
Speaker 3: Like every nigga we have that we.
Speaker 5: Like let go goes somewhere else in our piece a
Speaker 5: winning piece, it takes off. Like if we have all
Speaker 5: the winning pieces, like at what point do we.
Speaker 3: Just go all in?
Speaker 5: Especially when we have Like here's the thing about Mellow too,
Speaker 5: Like I said this earlier this year, because I go
Speaker 5: to a lot of games, like I would rather watch
Speaker 5: LaMelo Ball go for like ten and eight or sixteen
Speaker 5: and five on like six or twenty four shooting with
Speaker 5: eight turnovers, then watch like Michale Bridges like go for
Speaker 5: twenty six on like thirteen for sixteen, like because he's
Speaker 5: just like the most entertaining Harlem globetrotters ass they like
Speaker 5: he's a draw, He's just a fun person to exist.
Speaker 5: So I think like, while the city has him, we
Speaker 5: should at least build a winner around him to get
Speaker 5: a playoff moment, if.
Speaker 4: You feel me, because that's one thing with LaMelo is
Speaker 4: like and I as an unk, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I got like my favorite players right, like Carmelo, Anthony
Speaker 4: k D.
Speaker 2: People like that.
Speaker 4: My kids, they are all in, like all chips in
Speaker 4: on LaMelo ball.
Speaker 2: He's the one, and it's it's because of that. He's
Speaker 2: mad entertaining, but he's mad fun to watch.
Speaker 4: They do the stuff online. The Ball Brothers is online.
Speaker 4: They have a shooting contest, fucking around the stars.
Speaker 3: They're like the boy Kardashians.
Speaker 5: Like it's like it's a layup to me, but it's
Speaker 5: like yes, Like even when we got back, we got
Speaker 5: Grant Williams and green Back in the trade for p
Speaker 5: and they're pretty they're pretty good, and we just got
Speaker 5: like Josha Kogie and ship and trade for uh I
Speaker 5: think Nick Nick Richards.
Speaker 3: So it's like we were getting shipped back.
Speaker 5: But it's like, all right, we got a few big
Speaker 5: contracts that we can dump. I mean that we can
Speaker 5: trade for players that people we can take on a
Speaker 5: shitty big contract like we can we can take on
Speaker 5: like a Jalen Green. We can take on like people
Speaker 5: who have had like an off playoff series or off season.
Speaker 3: But who is a nigga and who can contribute to
Speaker 3: win that we can take them. We can. We have
Speaker 3: the time and the money to risk it on one
Speaker 3: of those. The prontoff is just not don't seem that
Speaker 3: interested in that.
Speaker 5: Yeahs fucked up, but yeah they should tell me the
Speaker 5: team team.
Speaker 6: I like to think that Lamello is like the rich
Speaker 6: Sasquash of Charlotte.
Speaker 3: We're like you only were like you.
Speaker 6: You've heard of the Gold, the Gold, the Gold Limbo
Speaker 6: or whatever it is running red lights in the city.
Speaker 3: Until you see him, You're.
Speaker 6: Like, it's going it's like rich Migfoot.
Speaker 5: Remember like I flew out a girl to Charlotte. This
Speaker 5: is this is a few years ago. I was broken ship.
Speaker 5: I was dropping my mama like, oh f o Tahoe.
Speaker 5: She's like, oh I'm outside, I'm not. I'm at number two.
Speaker 5: I'm like I'm pulling up. She like this you, I'm like, nah,
Speaker 5: pull up gold tahoe, three rooms missing, cracking the wind shield.
Speaker 3: No, a c seat split over. She jumped in.
Speaker 5: She like I was like, oh ship, that's lamellow Ball nigga,
Speaker 5: the fucking big ass purple color.
Speaker 3: Man. I'm like like.
Speaker 5: Right now, it's like it's not enough going on, and
Speaker 5: it's like it's one nigga with all the arts. It's like,
Speaker 5: I'm not even gonna I'm not gonna put it off blast.
Speaker 3: It's like a national thing.
Speaker 5: But like everybody in the city of Charlotte knows where
Speaker 5: LaMelo Ball lives.
Speaker 3: Every single person.
Speaker 5: I don't want to say it's like it's public information
Speaker 5: to look it up, but like no, like it's no,
Speaker 5: it's like in our news there. Like when mellow Ball
Speaker 5: purchases this from ex other Charlotte celebrity, it was like
Speaker 5: like one, it's one place for Curry.
Speaker 3: He literally brought it from cam Newton. Like that's not
Speaker 3: a joke. Yeah, it's a one rich nigga.
Speaker 6: House in the whole I was getting passed around like
Speaker 6: a for sure when he moved he gonna sell it
Speaker 6: to Timothy Charlaman and ship to me.
Speaker 3: Manifest I'm next man, what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So speaking of that because like you know, like like
Speaker 4: I said before, like New Yorkers move a certain if
Speaker 4: mikeil Bridges.
Speaker 2: Walked in here right now, you get one of these.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is it different than Charlotte for guys like Mellow
Speaker 4: b Miller, Mickel, like not Mikeuel the other Bridges.
Speaker 2: Brother, are they valid everywhere?
Speaker 6: Bro?
Speaker 2: Did they just pull up? Because if it's me and
Speaker 2: I'm him.
Speaker 4: In the in the city like Charlotte, like Milwaukee where
Speaker 4: it's like the like you know, smaller market, Bro, I'm like,
Speaker 4: my nets hang everywhere.
Speaker 3: Bro. Yeah, I think I think they should.
Speaker 5: I think maybe they don't, just because like Charlotte's city
Speaker 5: has grown really fast, so you can live there and
Speaker 5: not really know people who are really from there, like
Speaker 5: the city of niggas who really from Charlotte in the
Speaker 5: city and niggas who live in Charlotte are like it's
Speaker 5: differently separated. But yeah, nigga, hit me up, I'll take
Speaker 5: you through the you know what I'm saying, yeast. Whenever
Speaker 5: they kicked it with me, they were not they were
Speaker 5: not they were not living fingers.
Speaker 3: They would enjoy lying it. Yeah, yeah, I know the
Speaker 3: niggas that. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Anyway, that's such an interesting couple.
Speaker 4: Bro, He's valid b X shit you know what coxt
Speaker 4: year Momy Yo, y'all.
Speaker 3: That's interesting how y'all talk man? Because Momy's like.
Speaker 6: Yo, you gotta hit me up and I'll take it
Speaker 6: to that, you know what I mean? And like and
Speaker 6: I know exactly what hes talking about.
Speaker 3: Yea, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So this happened over the This happened another basketball related thing.
Speaker 2: This happened literally yesterday. So fanatics fens has been going
Speaker 2: on over the weekend here in New York, and I
Speaker 2: thought this was a set up. Let me tell me
Speaker 2: what y'all think. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So k D which everybody's been talking about, where hes
Speaker 4: gonna go, where he gonna go, where he's gonna end up?
Speaker 4: First thing, would you have blown up the team to
Speaker 4: get Kevin Durant and Charlotte?
Speaker 2: Second question? Do you think that ship was a whole setup?
Speaker 4: Him being on stage getting interviewed by Taylor Rooks Football Room.
Speaker 2: Which is his company, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: yoo yo, what happened?
Speaker 3: Yo? Yo? You just got traded to the Rockets.
Speaker 2: He's just like, Yo, that's crazy. I didn't I know
Speaker 2: that's gonna happen. That's wow.
Speaker 3: No real nobody could have seen this. Chuy, Yeah, come on, Kevin,
Speaker 3: it's Sonny son Vibe. Man.
Speaker 6: We've had internet for too long for you to get
Speaker 6: away with this.
Speaker 2: Could have got away with this Shi in eighty eight.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they had an email thread earlier that morning like yeah,
Speaker 5: we're gonna announce that four and thirty cams on stage.
Speaker 2: Like, come on, you know people the jacket out with
Speaker 2: the Houston.
Speaker 3: I was like, Yo, come on, bro, this this was clearly.
Speaker 6: Ain't lucky of whatsappen Krypton Lucky, Hey, lucky man, that
Speaker 6: ship would have been leaked.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So coming out of Charlotte.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, being a being a hip
Speaker 4: hop artist, rapper.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. J Cole is one of
Speaker 2: the more well known guys.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm THENKS for.
Speaker 2: THENKS, it's little brother, it's LB.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Shout a little bit of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, shout all of them. Then came J Cole.
Speaker 4: I like to say LB ran So J Cole came
Speaker 4: J lb Well, So J Cokan definitely you the next
Speaker 4: evolution I feel like of North Carolina artists.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, What what does j Cole
Speaker 2: mean to.
Speaker 4: That that scene, that community.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I think like it's a proof of concept
Speaker 5: for every artist that came after him.
Speaker 3: Like you know, when you.
Speaker 5: Have an artist that's from a market that's a B
Speaker 5: market that's able to go international multai, that's like huge
Speaker 5: for everything. Like if you look at like Detroit or Atlanta,
Speaker 5: these are markets that was looked at in a similar
Speaker 5: light as Charlotte was. And then when they have an
Speaker 5: artist that reaches a certain level of success, that's an
Speaker 5: artists sniffing down the trail looking for the next one.
Speaker 5: And even stuff like Dreamville Festival where I think they
Speaker 5: might have just ended it.
Speaker 3: I hope they bring it back because I haven't done
Speaker 3: one yet. Bring it back headlining, but stuff bore.
Speaker 5: It's like you know that's in like Riley and Durham
Speaker 5: and the other biggest festival in that area is Hopscotch
Speaker 5: was like a more indie leaning, like it's a different crowd.
Speaker 5: So for us to have like hip hop centric stuff
Speaker 5: in North Carolina as a market.
Speaker 3: That stuff is rare, and I think it's like good
Speaker 3: artistic leadership.
Speaker 5: That he took his platform and brought it back here
Speaker 5: because you don't have to, you know.
Speaker 3: But yeah, nah yeah he was huge though, though, Dude,
Speaker 3: like yeah, he's like definitely one of the one.
Speaker 4: You in the same type of time, because, like you know,
Speaker 4: you could leave if you want to define what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: like you can be like, yo, you know what I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna move to all of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go to l A.
Speaker 6: Yeah, especially for someone who's here so often. Like what
Speaker 6: keeps what keeps you grounded in in your city?
Speaker 3: My ring is sixteen hundred dollars a long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Stamp you don't.
Speaker 2: This is crazy, he said.
Speaker 3: I live in the high rise.
Speaker 2: I can walk to the game sixty undred a month.
Speaker 6: I paid listen, were paying astronomical amounts just to have
Speaker 6: access to a chop cheese at three am.
Speaker 2: We got.
Speaker 3: You got space because I'm.
Speaker 5: It's too much, right, niggas, it's any too y'all can
Speaker 5: make a New New York bro.
Speaker 4: I realized that when I was driving through because I
Speaker 4: like my kids are like, Yo, we want to do
Speaker 4: a road trip. And my mother in law got a
Speaker 4: got a condo in Florida, right, so it's like, Yo,
Speaker 4: let's do a road trip.
Speaker 2: So we all jump in the car. Road trip. Bro.
Speaker 4: We do a pisstop in North Carolina. Y'all, let's eat,
Speaker 4: find something to eat, whatever. Bro, I've seen the biggest
Speaker 4: Dominican flag I've ever seen in my life. It's like
Speaker 4: a little strip ball, big as Dominican flag. Carlos Dominican barbershop.
Speaker 2: And I walked in.
Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, Bro.
Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, it's my take minute here.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 3: I was like, it was like, now it's on bed,
Speaker 3: Like Yo, what I'm saying? I'm Africa. I love Yo.
Speaker 6: I love that scene because you could tell they could
Speaker 6: not afford to shoot over there.
Speaker 2: They just got the voiceover.
Speaker 9: Maryland like, Yo, son, I mean, I've been Africa, jog Yo,
Speaker 9: you gotta come out here, Bro, Like a whole different
Speaker 9: world know about this for them road.
Speaker 3: Like, what can we do? They got some Haitians. They're
Speaker 3: just walking the background, walking back around. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ligit like.
Speaker 3: Ligity, Like how.
Speaker 6: Does somebody that's so well connected and so you know,
Speaker 6: grounded in North Carolina. How does mister out of the
Speaker 6: Spotlight living a soft life link up with Earl?
Speaker 5: Oh, that's not on me, bro Like, man, yeah, I've been.
Speaker 5: I've been really I've been friends with Earl for like.
Speaker 3: Like seven years now. So like yeah, like when I
Speaker 3: was about nineteen, Uh, he can't seafood, Mike.
Speaker 5: They just saw's kind of reached it and absorbed me.
Speaker 3: Pause and then.
Speaker 5: And uh, you know recent and took me in. Yeah,
Speaker 5: they took me, and yeah, we've just been cool ever since.
Speaker 5: Like my first time in LA was kicking it with him,
Speaker 5: like he just interest. He kind of showed me around
Speaker 5: the rap game before I had Yeah, yeah, and so yeah,
Speaker 5: he kind of introduced me to OWL. It's just me
Speaker 5: to a bunch of people, kind of gave me a
Speaker 5: little mission statement for like what I should try to do,
Speaker 5: what kind of what I could expect? Show me the ropes,
Speaker 5: So like, yeah, that's that's collaborating. Recently was like just
Speaker 5: on some like fucking ship. I never had a feature before.
Speaker 5: I was like, I want him to be my first
Speaker 5: feature because he was my first feature, Like I gave
Speaker 5: him a feature that was my first big placement.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was just on some full circle type
Speaker 3: of ship. But you know that's the that's the real
Speaker 3: homie though.
Speaker 6: Like so hang on because you say you've never had
Speaker 6: a future before. I listen to music, so like like
Speaker 6: a Mendi Sinclair Like.
Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, so okay you specifically yeah, because I'm competitive,
Speaker 8: right right right right, So like a feature means a
Speaker 8: thing to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like a Mami feature means a thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, no, I'm the same way, bro, Like I'm
Speaker 6: not just gonna give it to anybody, but like you
Speaker 6: know what I mean, Like I'm not like and it's
Speaker 6: also it means something in a way that it's like yo,
Speaker 6: like I'm on, I'm on a level with these people
Speaker 6: that other people consider great, like the estac ship.
Speaker 3: Right, like once that happened for me, I'm like once once,
Speaker 3: listen once I heard that first?
Speaker 6: WHOA, Like now I'm up, Like you know what I'm
Speaker 6: saying now it's certain motherfuckers that can't you know what
Speaker 6: I mean that like can't really say ship to me.
Speaker 3: You know I mean that too. It's like.
Speaker 5: I think of getting on the feature with somebody, it's
Speaker 5: like you get a pick and then you get your
Speaker 5: switch right and everybody clear out. So it's like it's
Speaker 5: an opportunity to jump the line in some all time
Speaker 5: discussions a little bit like if I can, if I
Speaker 5: can out wrap this guy and this guy and this
Speaker 5: guy and this guy and this guy, y'all have to
Speaker 5: count me like this. Yeah, like if if I'm if
Speaker 5: I'm on level with certain amount certain types of artists,
Speaker 5: I gotta.
Speaker 3: Just be in that kind of conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: I love I love that Earl kind of like brought
Speaker 7: you into into the mix of of of artistry or
Speaker 7: just you know the world of hip hop. I think,
Speaker 7: just do you do you do you try to do
Speaker 7: that now with like younger artists?
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. I take that as an example.
Speaker 5: Like he always was telling me, like how like all
Speaker 5: the benefits of doing it as a collective or doing
Speaker 5: it with as like even if it's not a name
Speaker 5: drap group or something.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I try to do that for sure. Like
Speaker 3: it's easy to be territorial.
Speaker 5: Or be like, oh, this nigga, like you feel like
Speaker 5: a nigga stepping on your toes. But I think that's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: you shouldn't be like that. It feels like you're being
Speaker 5: intimidated or afraid.
Speaker 3: It's show a lot of.
Speaker 5: Poise when you like reach out to like up and
Speaker 5: comers or people who make an exciting stuff.
Speaker 3: So ye'all definitely try to do that.
Speaker 7: I think that's beautiful and it helps a lot of
Speaker 7: people with with just clearing the mistakes.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, Earl could probably.
Speaker 7: Teach you some shit that he did that he fucked
Speaker 7: up on, yo, and you could save somebody ten years
Speaker 7: like a mist like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I treat it like the way I
Speaker 6: treat it is like I'm not I'm not rapping with
Speaker 6: nobody that.
Speaker 3: Doesn't at least scare me a little bit, right.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 3: I like that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Like when I said st that ship, I was like, Yo,
Speaker 6: this needs to be the best version of this, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean. So it's like and I like,
Speaker 6: I appreciate seeing that like somebody like you or Earl
Speaker 6: or Leontey or Mike, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: That whole that whole camp is so interesting to me
Speaker 6: because it's like this is this is a such a
Speaker 6: specific subset of people that are going off of like
Speaker 6: ingenuity versus versus opportunism, which I feel like, which I
Speaker 6: feel like this space has a lot of that, especially
Speaker 6: in cities like New York and LA where it's like
Speaker 6: everything is like, Yo, it's link up with bro, then
Speaker 6: that's gonna then that's gonna level me up. So I
Speaker 6: could get next to this motherfucker in it and it's like,
Speaker 6: that's not in it for that, then you're not gonna
Speaker 6: get the results.
Speaker 4: The way I see it is like what you're doing
Speaker 4: is like y'all actually build a community.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, other like the other ship.
Speaker 4: Is just like yo, cloud chasing, use the second head
Speaker 4: as a as a rung on the ladder to get
Speaker 4: to the next thing instead of like, Yo, let's build
Speaker 4: this shit together.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's risky, but it's rewarding.
Speaker 5: If you take the the social uh currency value out
Speaker 5: of your name away, then okay, maybe I can't just
Speaker 5: cash in for a quick buck by hitting a bunch
Speaker 5: of local niggas over the head fifteen thousand dollars a
Speaker 5: piece for features, Yes, but if I don't do that,
Speaker 5: then all that I am is what's in the art
Speaker 5: and who I am as a person.
Speaker 4: This is very random. So, like I said, my son
Speaker 4: just turned out to Mari. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: turned ten milestone, you know what I'm saying. Had a
Speaker 4: birthday for him yesterday, had a party the crib, just family,
Speaker 4: and my wife was like, Yo, can you throw on
Speaker 4: some like submarine because it was, you know, poor party
Speaker 4: type of vibe, throwing.
Speaker 2: Some bad bunny and ship like that and just let
Speaker 2: it ride.
Speaker 4: Your ship was cued up after that, so your ship
Speaker 4: came on and it was just like every song that
Speaker 4: you ever put out on a platform, and.
Speaker 2: It was just going, going, going, going going, and nobody saying, hey,
Speaker 2: turn that ship off. Yo, put back, Yo put the yo.
Speaker 2: Were trying to turn with the fus, just like growing up.
Speaker 3: Brou who is Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Who's this? They got their phones out? Yeah he SERI
Speaker 3: who is? Yeah? I think like I like that.
Speaker 5: I like I want to blend into like I want
Speaker 5: to blend into like your world, and but I also
Speaker 5: want to confuse niggas like wait, why why don't Why
Speaker 5: am I enjoying this?
Speaker 3: This ain't bad? Yes?
Speaker 1: Great?
Speaker 3: Fun with that too? Yeah yeah I think that's my Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we talked about the man chain. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, what's the what's like to court Drewski, what.
Speaker 3: Do you mean by that?
Speaker 5: Uh, it's some democratic ship. It's like I want to be,
Speaker 5: uh the kind of leader in the art space that
Speaker 5: we ain't have in my city, and I want to
Speaker 5: be elected to do so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like.
Speaker 5: I don't want to pop it. I'm a poppet in
Speaker 5: the city. Like I'm one of the greatest.
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, yeah, I'm just one of the greatest.
Speaker 5: And so like I don't know when I when I
Speaker 5: move around, when it's time to go on stage. It's
Speaker 5: a reaction that people have been given me since I
Speaker 5: was seventeen or eighteen, and the mayor is is about
Speaker 5: me accepting that that comes with a high degree of responsibility.
Speaker 4: Yea spidermanship with great, great responsibility. So now I got
Speaker 4: Maybe it's maybe a game. It's not it's not really
Speaker 4: a game because we're taking this. You're serious, think it's
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, you took.
Speaker 2: It's a fu you took.
Speaker 3: It's a game.
Speaker 2: Time to play fucking game.
Speaker 4: So if you were to be three different positions of leadership,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you what they are, and you're gonna
Speaker 4: just give me three maybe like policy positions or positions
Speaker 4: in general that you would run on.
Speaker 2: Right, this was called Bobby for office. Let's do it
Speaker 2: so first of all, as.
Speaker 4: Because you know, we in the middle of a very
Speaker 4: hoghly contested mayoral race here in New York City. Yes,
Speaker 4: we got Quotmo the nipple ring titty grab a sexual
Speaker 4: abusa running against go Ramm Donnie who's.
Speaker 2: Up there right there with him in the polls for
Speaker 2: the people.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And it's it's crazy.
Speaker 4: It looked like quomos trying to buy the election if
Speaker 4: you were the mayor of New York. Three positions that
Speaker 4: mommy's running on as a mayor of the City of
Speaker 4: New York.
Speaker 3: Yeah, free trains like that. Let me see plant some trees. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you see that's what we need. Some fruit tree. Damn
Speaker 3: let me see what does New York need? Uh? No,
Speaker 3: rap niggas. I just turned in the sand.
Speaker 2: If you haven't feel like you're wrapping like the shut up.
Speaker 3: Y'all current mayor. I feel about him. He's a.
Speaker 5: He's weird though, Like, let's not throw an arm around
Speaker 5: cars one and that Joe and ship. We got young
Speaker 5: mothers and like hard work and grandfathers and ship.
Speaker 3: Like, let's let's do that.
Speaker 5: Like I want some family ship, Like I don't want
Speaker 5: to get weird. But my type of policy is like
Speaker 5: free lunch for everybody, like like saying.
Speaker 3: Like it borders on some ship that actually care about
Speaker 3: the people. Yeah, yeah, social.
Speaker 2: Right, WHOA, that's crazy. How could you run on the
Speaker 2: platform like that about people?
Speaker 3: They gonna call you a radical socialist? I forbid, you
Speaker 3: want people to.
Speaker 2: Socialists? Yeah, every word in there. He's a transgender radical
Speaker 2: Islamic socialists.
Speaker 5: Shouts to my homie, one of my homies, Tyler Bunsey.
Speaker 5: He's a he's a professor at our HBC and Charlotte.
Speaker 5: But he told me about something really cool that he
Speaker 5: said he would do, and I'm gonna steal that. He
Speaker 5: said he would enact the culture tax. And it's like
Speaker 5: a tax on the rich, only basically as people who
Speaker 5: extract well from the people, and that tax goes straight
Speaker 5: to just creative work.
Speaker 3: Like if you're a painter, you can withdraw a grant
Speaker 3: from there if you are this to that you could, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that would be that. Yeah. So like people who are.
Speaker 5: Rich and don't make the world any more beautiful, you
Speaker 5: have to pay for the world being as beautiful as
Speaker 5: it is.
Speaker 6: Woe dude, imagine making studio time like federal subsidies. That
Speaker 6: would be so hard it's fun Which is funny because
Speaker 6: as someone who just said it, no more rappers in
Speaker 6: New York City, hold on, but but no.
Speaker 3: No bullshit, this is not this is not for that,
Speaker 3: This is not for that segment.
Speaker 5: But one conspiracy theory that I do have is that
Speaker 5: this world where like everybody is drifting further and further
Speaker 5: into like radical right wing extremism that was directly facilitated
Speaker 5: by a cutting of funding to the arts and the humanities.
Speaker 5: People not giving a fuck about the soft sciences, the
Speaker 5: social sciences, things that have to do with how people
Speaker 5: are and how they operate. That's related to the political
Speaker 5: lack of empathy that we're seeing on every level.
Speaker 3: And yeah, Mayor for reasons.
Speaker 4: That word as me of New York from now taking
Speaker 4: it as sub upper notch as president of the country.
Speaker 3: Share, Yeah, I'm in empoverty now.
Speaker 2: One that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just feel like.
Speaker 5: If people, if people can live in a nice place
Speaker 5: and they can be trained to work, and they can
Speaker 5: be given you can give people enough work fixing their
Speaker 5: community to enrich the community by having money from fixing
Speaker 5: their own community.
Speaker 3: So basically just a sweeping social reform where.
Speaker 5: It's like, all right, we're gonna redo all the plumbing
Speaker 5: on this box. Some people might got rusty pipes or something.
Speaker 5: All the the plumbing contracts gotta come from the neighborhood.
Speaker 5: So people is getting money in the neighborhood from making
Speaker 5: the neighborhood nicer. Then the people who live in the
Speaker 5: neighborhood have a nicer place to live, so they less.
Speaker 3: Incentivized to leave.
Speaker 5: When these things, when economic development happened in my city,
Speaker 5: it's like a weird like circular reasoning thing going where.
Speaker 3: They're like building a bunch of.
Speaker 5: High rises and apartments that there are not enough people
Speaker 5: moving in to live in, but they're expecting that there
Speaker 5: to be. There's gonna be economic development in the city
Speaker 5: in the near future to justify all these people moving in.
Speaker 5: But that economic development relies on those people moving in,
Speaker 5: So basically we building a whole bunch of empty, new
Speaker 5: beautiful buildings for nobody. Essentially, when we could like beautify
Speaker 5: the neighborhoods that we're trying to move these new people
Speaker 5: into now and give the people there a better opportunity
Speaker 5: and better life possibilities.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at the.
Speaker 5: Same time, those that are only the only way to
Speaker 5: make a neighborhood better while it's the same neighborhoods by
Speaker 5: making the lives of the people in the neighborhood better.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's why, that's why a bootstrap narrative never made
Speaker 6: sense to me, because it's like, you can't expect people
Speaker 6: to be enthusiastic about getting it how they live when
Speaker 6: how they live fucking sucks.
Speaker 4: And that's like you said something really important that like
Speaker 4: a lot of people gloss over, and it's like you know,
Speaker 4: it's like the technical part of that, right, Like and
Speaker 4: then poverty and.
Speaker 2: Working within your community.
Speaker 4: If we need to replace all the pipes on this block,
Speaker 4: that contract has to go to eminem Plumbing because mavam
Speaker 4: l Row Plumbing is based in this city, right, And
Speaker 4: it's you're you're you're put money in my pocket, but
Speaker 4: that money is going directly back into the community, right, So,
Speaker 4: like like you're saying, like it just it's just.
Speaker 2: It piles on it, just it builds up. So a
Speaker 2: lot of people say that like, Yo, we're gonna we're
Speaker 2: gonna do this, We're gonna do that, but they don't.
Speaker 2: They don't break it down like the way you broke
Speaker 2: it down there. That's very yah.
Speaker 3: Listen to that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, things like that is how Marion Barry is the
Speaker 5: mayor for life in Washington, d C.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, can smoke crack and they still love you.
Speaker 2: People getting laying.
Speaker 3: That's the best slogan ever.
Speaker 4: So, Mami, we have a segment on the show called
Speaker 4: the tim Forfitted. We give you the tim Forfitted to
Speaker 4: protect you from the evil five g Raisers out there
Speaker 4: and allow you to speak truth to power and give
Speaker 4: us a conspiracy theory that you think is not just
Speaker 4: a conspiracy theory, it might.
Speaker 2: Could be true.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's kind of mostly problem So I think.
Speaker 2: Like, oh shit, trying to get you, try to get
Speaker 2: you ready, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put it on the table. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So the Deacon statement in my conspiracy theory is like
Speaker 5: the crack epidemic was the most impactful thing to happen
Speaker 5: to Black America outside of like emancipation and desegregation.
Speaker 3: So that's like the dark part, Like we kind of
Speaker 3: out talking about it, like aha, it was like.
Speaker 5: People were doing drugs, but it was like there has
Speaker 5: been nothing before or since that has happened to every
Speaker 5: hood in every city of every Black community at the
Speaker 5: same time, making everything worse except for that desegrogation emancipation
Speaker 5: like that impacted everything everywhere.
Speaker 3: So basically, first we established crack as.
Speaker 5: A global phenomenon that affected everything in Black America for
Speaker 5: a time, and lust.
Speaker 2: Behind the two right right.
Speaker 3: So my conspiracy theory is.
Speaker 5: Almost eighty percent of things that have occurred in Black
Speaker 5: popular culture since nineteen let's call it seventy nine can
Speaker 5: be traced the cat coach down.
Speaker 4: Yo, damn practice influenced culture since seventy nine.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like MX, Samuel L.
Speaker 5: Jackson, Denza Washington, Dapper Dan, Mary j Rock, Kim Mary
Speaker 5: j Big Supac.
Speaker 3: There ha, Yo, what what what Vincey?
Speaker 6: He said DMX hit the Pooky and went platinum.
Speaker 3: Did you know he might Vice and Mami Mike could
Speaker 3: have a point.
Speaker 5: I don't know, New jack City, Hayden Full fifty Friday.
Speaker 2: There's Joe at some point, Yo, he's really Jason, the
Speaker 2: old Crack Jason.
Speaker 5: Everything important in culture history from a certain year in
Speaker 5: black history.
Speaker 2: It's kragagas. Wow, there you go. Mobby is in a building.
Speaker 3: Baby.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And that's it.
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