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Speaker 1: are we doing? My people? It is Monday, August fourteenth,

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Speaker 1: recording a little pod fresh off Lake Tahoe, which I

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Speaker 1: he's just way cheaper. So it just shows you things

429
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,840
Speaker 1: change fast in the NFL. Is what fascinates me about

430
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,960
Speaker 1: the business and these teams, especially when you're winning, don't

431
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,399
Speaker 1: have time to fuck around. And I think the the

432
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 1: hopes and the prayers and the dreams of Trey Lance

433
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 1: are kind of coming to fruition when it comes to

434
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, and it's just kind of time

435
00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 1: to move on. A couple other things. Russell Wilson played

436
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 1: into I think four series. I was thinking about this

437
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 1: on the drive home today from Lake Tahoe. Is Sean

438
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 1: Payton became kind of like an I don't want to

439
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,119
Speaker 1: say a legend, but yeah, I mean legend. He was

440
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 1: super Bowl champion for a team that was a complete

441
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 1: joke in the New Orleans Saints. You went a Super

442
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 1: Bowl with the Saints who forever were the Aints, Like

443
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 1: that was a legendary performance, and then went on to

444
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 1: just have a lot of success, winning games in the league,

445
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 1: consistently winning a division, and being the offensive play caller

446
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 1: for a Hall of Fame quarterback when he got there,

447
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 1: Drew Brees, you know, coming off the shoulder injuries, like

448
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 1: going into his prime, and they just molded together and

449
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 1: they were on the same page. They built the offense

450
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 1: around his skill set and they were just awesome for

451
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 1: a long period of time, but they had a lot

452
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 1: you know, he knew exactly what he was. Fantastic pocket quarterback,

453
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 1: not a very athletic guy, and just had to win

454
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 1: with supreme accuracy. Right, He's one of, if not him

455
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: and Steve Young, the most accurate quarterbacks ever. You could

456
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 1: argue these last moving forward. It probably gets manipulated a

457
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: little bit with the way football's play, but Russell Wilson's

458
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: the complete opposite. What made Russell a legendary player, a

459
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,360
Speaker 1: future Hall of Famer was like this ad libability. He

460
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 1: was an elite athlete. You never knew what was gonna happen,

461
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: and that at the same time used to drive Pete Carroll,

462
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: who's a fantastic football coach, won a Super Bowl, won

463
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 1: National champions championships, has just won for the last twenty years,

464
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: frustrating because he didn't ever know what was gonna happen.

465
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Speaker 1: He's a little old school, you know, likes predictable things,

466
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Speaker 1: and I do wonder one the Broncos aren't nearly as

467
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Speaker 1: good as we thought they were gonna be last year,

468
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Speaker 1: even if they would have had a good coach, because

469
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 1: part of the problem now is if Russell is not

470
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Speaker 1: really good and he no longer is now, is he

471
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Speaker 1: the set eighth best quarterback or is he like the

472
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Speaker 1: nineteenth best quarterback? To me, that's up for debate, and

473
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna learn that this season. Some people,

474
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Speaker 1: if you're bullets like Sean Payton, can get him in

475
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Speaker 1: the fringe top ten. Again. I'm one of those guys.

476
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm starting to get a little nervous one. Their offensive

477
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 1: line is not gonna be good, so he's gonna be

478
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: running for his life, and he doesn't want to run

479
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: for his life anymore. That's not how he wants to play.

480
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to get hit. No, he's still the

481
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: arms strength, can throw a great deep ball, but like

482
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Speaker 1: he's not. He can't play like Drew Brees. That's never

483
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: been his style. Greg Maddox did not play like Randy Johnson.

484
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: Not all players are the same. Steph Curry, Lebron James,

485
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 1: guys played differently, right, Steve Young became a great player

486
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 1: when he just started dominating from the pocket. He stopped running.

487
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: He was really accurate, you know Russell, Like, I don't

488
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 1: view the guy as mister accuracy. I view the guy

489
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 1: as mister playmaker, and those days are kind of done.

490
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Speaker 1: So I guess where I'm getting that. I do think listen,

491
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Speaker 1: Sean Payton making him all this money, Russell making all

492
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Speaker 1: this money, ton of pressure on the organization. I don't

493
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Speaker 1: think he could go bad. I really do. I think

494
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: they're probably much closer to a seven win team than

495
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Speaker 1: competing to make the playoffs. And I feel better and better,

496
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 1: like Sean Payton's telling you, like he's kind of saying

497
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Speaker 1: some crazy shit. Obviously he's playing these guys. They're big

498
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: free agencies, the Guard and McGlinchey, Mike buddies in the

499
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: league that are on playoff teams that do this evaluate

500
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: these guys, how they feed their families are like God,

501
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know much about the Guard. I've watched McGlinchey forever.

502
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: Like mcglinche can start if he's your fifth best offensive

503
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Speaker 1: lineman and you can run the ball. He's not great

504
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: in pass protection. So if you think RUSSELLI like, just

505
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,479
Speaker 1: because mcglinchy didn't play in the preseason game, it's not

506
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Speaker 1: like you're bringing in Lane Johnson, Trent Williams or you know,

507
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: Tony Bacelli's coming back for you this guy is a

508
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 1: limited pass blocker or he can run block. But I

509
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Speaker 1: don't know, man, you're gonna get in positions where second

510
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: and nine, third and ten, is Russell gonna be willing

511
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Speaker 1: to run for his life and play like he once played.

512
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: I am very, very skeptical so that they have some

513
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: talent on their team clearly pretty flawed, And I just

514
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: think there's this Sean Payton and Drew Brees were always

515
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: like one together. They really were. They both were hired

516
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: and signed at the same time, and they grew together.

517
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Speaker 1: That's not the case here. You got Russell, who's worth

518
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars, who's married to a celebrity,

519
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 1: who's kind of got this weird persona. You got Sean Payton,

520
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: who's like this hired gun who's wired like a parcels.

521
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Speaker 1: I just don't know if it's gonna mesh. I would

522
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Speaker 1: probably bet against it. And the other thing is, I

523
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Speaker 1: know Coward's low on Love, Jordan Love, and I'm not

524
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Speaker 1: saying I'm high on the guy. I've betting against him

525
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: just because of the history of the league. But I

526
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: was in the car and I heard him call him

527
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 1: a game manager, like that's what they're going to look for,

528
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: Like that is exactly what they're going to look for.

529
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: And I think the way Jordan Love and I think

530
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: Jordan Love and his agent know it, because think about

531
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: last year Daniel Jones going into that season joke, everyone

532
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 1: made fun of him like this guy's not any good,

533
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: this guy's a complete bust. And then he doesn't have

534
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: his you know, fifth year option picked up, plays it

535
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: out and signs for forty million dollars a year. So

536
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: even if you go, well that's best case scenario, quarterbacks

537
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: are so valuable. Jimmy Garoppolo had a shattered foot who

538
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: couldn't get traded a year before, signed for seventy five

539
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 1: million dollars in over thirty guarandeed to the Raiders. Right,

540
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks make outrageous sums of money. It's not like

541
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: when you see an NBA contract like they gave who

542
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: what what are we doing? That's a lot like quarterback contracts,

543
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: and Jordan Love, you know, had to agree. It takes

544
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: two to Tango to do his little contract extension because

545
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: they weren't going to pick up the fifth year option.

546
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: I think that tells you obviously, the Packers, you do

547
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: it because you want to mitigate your risk, right if

548
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 1: it's not good. But if you're Jordan Love and you

549
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: have some self belief, slash the agent and you go, Man,

550
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: if we just win eight nine games and you throw

551
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: twenty five touchdowns and this team's competitive, like, what are

552
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: you worth to them? Right? What are you worth to them?

553
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you at minimum like twenty million dollars

554
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: a year. He's sent a two year, eleven million dollar

555
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: contract extension, so all he has to do, Like, this

556
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: team is actually pretty equipped to play like they originally

557
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: did when Lafour showed up with Rogers, Like, listen, just

558
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: take a deep breath. We're gonna run the ball and

559
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna try to play some defense. We got a

560
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: lot of young pieces. And what they did, Lafour was

561
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: there with Sean McVay when they resurrected the Rams and

562
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 1: turned Jared goff into a real player. Why because everything

563
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: is based off the play action. We're gonna run the

564
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: ball down your throat and we're gonna do the boots,

565
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: the waggles, the nakeds and the nudes, as Tom Gofflin

566
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 1: once called them, and give you a hacker throws are

567
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: gonna be layups right now. If you can't hit the

568
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: lamps and not everyone can, Trey Lance, you can't play

569
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: in this offense, you got no chance. And maybe that's

570
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: the case, and we'll see. I know he missed one

571
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: in the preseason, but like listen, I think the Packers

572
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: are telling you what the contract and Jordan Love by

573
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: signing the contract is a little nervous that it might

574
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: not go well. But I do think they are going

575
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: to ask him to be a game manager, like that

576
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: is going to be his role. I mean, that's really

577
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: a lot what this offense, especially with a non Aaron

578
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: Rodgers level quarterback, ask you to do. Jared goff Brock

579
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: perty just get it out to our playmakers and we'll

580
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: run the fucking bowl right down people's throats and we'll

581
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: put up three points a game. Now. I don't know

582
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: if the Packers are quite as good as those two teams, right,

583
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: but they're not that far away. They do. You have

584
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: a lot of talent, especially if these young wide receivers

585
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: are good. So I think just get ready if you're

586
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: a Packer fan, like the days of playing like Rogers

587
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: and Farb are done like that, those are done. Now,

588
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: just because we're gonna play like a game manager doesn't

589
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: mean it's always gonna work. But when it does work,

590
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: when he's winning. Right when Jim Harbaugh first showed up

591
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: with to the forty nine ers, Aaron, what did Alex

592
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: Smith do? They game manager you to death? Now. Their

593
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 1: defense was awesome, and I think any Packer fan knows

594
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: defense has been very questionable for the years, So the

595
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: defense got to be better. They've invested a million picks

596
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: on that side of the ball. Eventually, just as Gudikin's

597
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: miss on these guys, defensive coordinator a bad. So that's

598
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: gonna be to me a huge emphasis for that team.

599
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: And other than that, I got a DM just asking

600
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: me about the preseason because like, what do you make

601
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: of it? And every team is a little different, right,

602
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: Tomlin will play a starters, Andy will play as starters.

603
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: I know the Saints, looking to resurrect their franchise, played

604
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: some of their starters and Derek Carr, So some teams

605
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: look at it differently than Kyle Shanahan and Josh McDaniels.

606
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: Every guy was in street close and twenty twenty three

607
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: would lean that way as a GM and definitely as

608
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: an owner, it's like I'm paying way too many guys,

609
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: way too much money to break a leg in some

610
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: game in the middle of August. But like Andy winning

611
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, so I mean, he clearly kind of knows

612
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: what he's doing, right. Mike Tomblin's never had a losing season,

613
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: So these guys are the village idiots when it comes

614
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: to August football. But beside the main guys and whether

615
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: Mahomes or whoever struggles like whatever, none of it matters.

616
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: With established players with a resume, we judge them off

617
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: regal season game. But when it comes to backups and

618
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: when it comes to the young players, you are not

619
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: just fighting for slots on your team. If you don't

620
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: make your team, it's a resume for the entire league.

621
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: For two years when I worked with the Eagles, I

622
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: was a pro scout before I went to college, and

623
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: during this period of time it gets split up between

624
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: your scouting department. You know, every depending on how established

625
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: you are, right, I think my first year I got

626
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: five teams. By the second year as a full time

627
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: pro scout, I got like twelve teams. And you evaluate

628
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: every fourth to seventh round pick, every undrafted free agent

629
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: that got a signing bonus, and then every returning practice

630
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: squad guy you give a grade for his preseason games,

631
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: and then when the big cut comes down, you have

632
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: them like is that an upgrade over your team? Right?

633
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: Is if it's a guard, Hey, I think this guard

634
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: is a fifty three man guy. We need a guard.

635
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: This guy's gonna get cut. And maybe he doesn't get cut,

636
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: maybe he plays himself onto a team, but you're getting

637
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: evaluated not just by your own team, because sometimes the

638
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: team goes shit, we love this guy. We think he's

639
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: a fifty three man guy, but he's a he's our

640
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Speaker 1: seventh lineman on the Cowboys. We don't have any room for, right,

641
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: depending on your team, or he's like the sixth receiver

642
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: on Seattle. It's like we just don't have a spot.

643
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: We're cutting him just because it's the business we're in.

644
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: It's a numbers game, right, And sometimes you try to

645
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Speaker 1: maybe start hiding them in the preseason game, but you're

646
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: getting evaluated by the entire league. The other thing these

647
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: front offices do is they look at teams, as you

648
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: use a Cowboys example, to know their position of strength

649
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Speaker 1: that go, hey, they are going to cut potentially an

650
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Speaker 1: active roster guy put on their practice squad that if

651
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: we need that position, we should be all over this group.

652
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: And then as it goes to the pro scouts, it

653
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: kind of the highest grade of guys get watched by

654
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: your director of personnel, your GM, and you kind of

655
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: put together a plan of attack. It's why, whoever your

656
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: favorite team is right now, you have to do the

657
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,719
Speaker 1: best job humanly possible of like can we keep this

658
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: player if you view him of a fifty three man guy,

659
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: even if you don't have the numbers, Like how can

660
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: we manipulate our roster? Sometimes it's impossible. Sometimes you legitimately

661
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: don't have a spot, and sometimes you go and I

662
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: saw it last year with the forty nine ers, we

663
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: brock Party. They re signed Jimmy. They just cut Sudfeld

664
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Speaker 1: even though they gave him two million dollars because like

665
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: we like Purty, we are not cutting brock Party. We

666
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: are not risking. Because the moment you cut a player,

667
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: a recently drafted guy, of last year practice squad guy,

668
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 1: he is subject to waivers. And the moment a guy

669
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Speaker 1: subject to waivers, any other team that claims that guy

670
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: now granted they would have to put him on their

671
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: active roster. He's no longer on your team. So if

672
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Speaker 1: you're willing to cut a player after the preseason, to

673
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, cut down to fifty three, you have to

674
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Speaker 1: acknowledge you may never get him back. He might be gone,

675
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: he may no longer be your player. A lot of

676
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: times you got a pretty good idea like this guy's

677
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: probably gonna get claim, but it is what it is,

678
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: and sometimes you trade that player. But a lot of

679
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: times you get guys like, God, we're hoping to get

680
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: him on the practice squad and he gets claimed. Quarterbacks

681
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: now with the third quarterback would be very, very risky.

682
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Speaker 1: Like I'm watching Aid and O'Connell. Honestly, I didn't watch

683
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: much Purdue football last couple of years. My big takeaway

684
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: watching him, and this gets back to Trey Lance. The Raiders.

685
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: Not in a million years would you trade Aid and

686
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: O'Connell your fourth round pick for Trey Lance. They would

687
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 1: say no faster I mean than your head would. I mean,

688
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: they couldn't say no fast enough. And that's how things

689
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: with what I love about this time. Some guys are

690
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 1: taking huge steps, some guys are getting worse. Some vets

691
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: are like, hey, how about this right guard that we

692
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: got seventh year player, we owe him eight million dollars

693
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: this year. The guy we just drafted in the fifth

694
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: round is every bit is good, and maybe he's ninety

695
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: percent as good as the guy, but by the end

696
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Speaker 1: of the season, he'll be as good and he's way cheaper.

697
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Speaker 1: A lot of these discussions surround money because the moment

698
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: you're a vested veteran and you've been in the league,

699
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: I think it's four plus years the moment you make

700
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: a regular season roster week one. So if I'm a

701
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Speaker 1: guard and I'm a seventh year guy, just pick a

702
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Speaker 1: random team. I play for the Bengals, and I'm fighting

703
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Speaker 1: for my spot. Right it's me and this me and

704
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: this fourth round pick. We're battling for the starting right guard.

705
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Speaker 1: And I've been the starter for a couple of years,

706
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: but I'm battling for my spot. If that guy proves

707
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: to be as good as me, they won't keep me

708
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: on the roster because if I'm the starting guard for

709
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: them week one and they're on the fence, they owe

710
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: me my entire eight million dollars or five million dollars

711
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: or whatever you're paying me. It's guaranteed then the rest

712
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Speaker 1: of the season. So it's why a lot of fringe

713
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: veteran guys that make decent amount of money that are

714
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: getting pushed or even if there's not clearly worse than

715
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: the young player, it's just an economic gait and go, God,

716
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: we could say, I don't know, three five ten million

717
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: dollars over a couple of year period on a guy

718
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: that by the end of the season could be better

719
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: than that guy. An he's younger, and he's ascending, and

720
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: maybe we're doing a scheme change. So there is a

721
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: ton going on right now. But just know this, while

722
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: you and me and now I definitely do might fall

723
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: asleep on the couch in the second half of the

724
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: preseason game and have our girlfriend or wife, our father,

725
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 1: our friends go yeah, just yea turn on the PGA

726
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: golf tournament, turn onto something else. Those players are being

727
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: watched by the league. They are being heavily, heavily just

728
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: combed through plays, broken down, cut up tapes made because

729
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: think how many teams have positions of needs. I don't

730
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 1: care how good you are, every team has a question

731
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Speaker 1: mark at a position group and these guys, and these

732
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: guys know it, and they're told that when training camp

733
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: starts all throughout training camp just because you might not

734
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: make our team, just because you might not be repping

735
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: with the twos and you're repping with the threes, the

736
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: entire NFL is watching. So when you hear the cliche

737
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: thing that a lot of people make fun of the

738
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: eye and the sky doesn't lie, it is true during

739
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: this period of time because for a lot of guys,

740
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: especially those that end up playing on practice squads for

741
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: a couple of years, this is their only resume that

742
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: this is the only time that they get film because

743
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: they might not get to play next year or this

744
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: year or whatever in the NFL. So that film kind

745
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: of keeps them alive in the NFL. And it's it's hard.

746
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: I've been the guy that cuts players. I've also seen

747
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: the reaction of guys that make teams. It's a for

748
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: some of these guys that won't make the NFL and

749
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: won't make an NFL team making a touchdown in the

750
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, putting on that jersey and is getting to

751
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: play ten snaps in front of their parents, that's pretty cool.

752
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it really is. I'm not the biggest sap,

753
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm not the most emotional individual. When it comes to

754
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: anything in business. But like I will acknowledge you were

755
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 1: some guy, smaller school, maybe non power five, making tackles

756
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter of NFL games against the Cowboys,

757
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: against the Eagles, you know, against the Chiefs, Like that's

758
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: that's a moment that your family will get pictures of

759
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: that hanging in your house like that, that's cooler than

760
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: any of us that never got to the NFL, that

761
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: never were good enough to sniff playing college football, just

762
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: love the sport, maybe played in high school. That is

763
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: a moment that a lot of these guys are going

764
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: to realize. And some of those guys then are on

765
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: that next level of like going to be a practice

766
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: squad guy, but still gonna have to fight for his life.

767
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: And it's a doggy dog time because this is not

768
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 1: This period in the NFL is not about schemes, it's

769
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 1: not about game plans, it's about evaluations. It's the last

770
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: time in the league right or of the calendar year,

771
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: beside the trade deadline. That even if it's a pack

772
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: trade deadline, you're talking a couple of players. You get

773
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: free agency, you get the draft, and then you get

774
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: this big cut down. So you got three main times

775
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: to add, improve and change your roster and these next

776
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: whatever the official date is August thirty one, September one,

777
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: whatever that date is is a massive, massive time for

778
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: NFL teams. Let's get to a little thing we call

779
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: the mailbag, and the way you getting the mail bag

780
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: is at John Middlecoff. At John Middlecoff is the Instagram.

781
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: Fire in those dms and get your question answered here

782
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: on the show, we'll start with Hines and Dad used

783
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: to work a lot with Heines ketchup back in the day.

784
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: For the mailbag, Zach Martin. Great job by Jerry holding

785
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: the line as a Giants fan. I'm sad was hoping

786
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: we could trade for him. Is dak gonna love having

787
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: trouble getting paid? Love the pod and go LOWK. Great work. Yeah,

788
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Jerry Jones would never in a million

789
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 1: years trade Zach Martin to the Giants, but do agree.

790
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: I also think, you know, here's the thing with Saquon.

791
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: He was arguing over a small percentage of money. Right.

792
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 1: He was getting paid ten. He thought he was worth sixteen.

793
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: They were offering thirteen. You're talking fifteen to twenty percent, right,

794
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: And sometimes it's easy to hold the line when you

795
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: know they can break down. But once you pass that date,

796
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: Sa Kwan was never gonna get any more money. They

797
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: just put it into a signing bonus incentivize some stuff, right,

798
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: So he just didn't have an option. Zach Martin is

799
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: making fourteen and he wanted whatever twenty. So Jerry kind

800
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: of what guaranteed some money the next year, added like

801
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 1: eight and a half million basically to his contract guarantee wise.

802
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: But I agree, once you get to a certain point,

803
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: I understand drawn lion in the stand. I remember Aaron

804
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: Donald and Khalil Mack did it because they were about

805
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: to make eighty seven and ninety million dollars. Like Nick

806
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: bos is not showing up. He knows, you know, his

807
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: rookie contract whatever thirty million dollars. He's talking about a

808
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: contract that's probably one hundred and fifteen million dollars guaranteed.

809
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: So it's like, I'm not just holding the line. Like

810
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: we're talking an astronomical amount of money. I think in

811
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Speaker 1: Zach Martin's situation, like Jerry kind of had him by

812
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: the balls, right, just like the Giants had Sake won

813
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: by the balls. Daniel Jones, you know, had some leverage.

814
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: Who can what you do? Signed Jimmy Garoppolo, is that

815
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do? Brian Daball, I'll call your bluff.

816
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: I bet you won't, and he didn't and they got

817
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: more money. This is all about leverage at the hot

818
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: I mean talking these price points some of us to

819
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: just do normal deals, it's pretty easy, right you Just

820
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: some deals come together very very easily, and some I

821
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: don't care whether you're in tech, Wall Street or the NFL.

822
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: You start talking whatever, nine figures, one hundred million dollars

823
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: plus though those are complicated, they really are, and when

824
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: they're not shows you how good of a business partner

825
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: you have, Like I know how he said the jalenhartsteel

826
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Speaker 1: was easy to do. The Ravens got a little difficult,

827
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Speaker 1: but part of that was there were some other variables.

828
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Speaker 1: But ultimately Herbert easy deal to do. I think anytime

829
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Speaker 1: that you can be in business with people and just

830
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: have easy deals shows you and everyone's profiting and everyone's

831
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: doing well. Whether it's a quarterback, whether it's a podcast,

832
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 1: whether it's I don't get a bank. Those are type

833
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: people you want to do business with because we've all

834
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: been in situations and relationships are very similar, right, personal

835
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Speaker 1: and professional, they can be difficult, and difficult relationships if

836
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: they're profitable, are worth it. But if he kind of

837
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: questions like, ah, I don't know, question for the pod.

838
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: If Caleb has the season we all anticipate him to

839
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: have at USC and it's looked at like the number

840
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: one overall pick in twenty four, do you anticipate the

841
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: team holding the number one pick in the draft to

842
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: target Lincoln Riley prior to the draft as their replacement

843
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: head coach since he has a rapport with Caleb. Obviously

844
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: the team would need to have a head coaching vacancy,

845
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: But if you're holding the first overall pick, the head

846
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: coach is likely gone anyway. I do think it depends, right,

847
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: Look at last year the Chicago Bears had it. They

848
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: brought the same coach back. Sometimes, you know, a first

849
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: year head coach team could be terrible, right the Cardinals,

850
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 1: are they gonna fire Gan? And probably not? The Coles

851
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: let's just say they're terrible. Are they ever gonna fire him? No? Demiko,

852
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: let's say they're got awful. Tomko's good. So I do

853
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: think it's depending on the situation. When you end up

854
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: there with right Trevor Lawrence. That year they added a

855
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 1: head coaching vacancy, So I I guess as possible. Now

856
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: Lincoln is much more accomplished than Cliff. Crazy thing is

857
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: Lincoln and Cliff both Texas tech guys, both buddies. Now

858
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: Cliff's on a staff. But I think when you do that,

859
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: it's like, well, this guy knows Kyler. It's like, uh yeah,

860
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Did anyone of the Cold snowpaid Manning?

861
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: Did Belichick know Tom Brady? It's not it's not necessity,

862
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: And if you're a good enough player, like you're going

863
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: to help make the coach a legend. So I don't

864
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: think it's a lock. I think it's, like you said,

865
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: a lot of variables there. I think a lot of

866
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: the teams that could potentially have the first pick could

867
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: just have holdover coaches. My favorite football pod, I like

868
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: this guy. Have you ever heard of owners paying players

869
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: under the table to satisfy satisfy a difficult negotiation. Jerry

870
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: Jones got more money than I can spend. I'm sure

871
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: he thinks of giving Zach some money off to the

872
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: side thoughts. I think there are ways you can kind

873
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: of do it. Legally, right, Like you could help facilitate

874
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: your guy getting commercials, you can help facilitate those guys

875
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: in your market getting deals. It's easier for you know,

876
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: George Kittle has a lot of marketing deals around San Francisco.

877
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 1: Like did the forty nine ers directly give them money?

878
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: But can they help them get those? Obviously, Jerry, I

879
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: think the rams some of the New York teams, So

880
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: I think there are benefits and that's not illegal. There

881
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: are benefits of doing that. I think it is so

882
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: risky in football is such a sport of people just

883
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: talking and everyone essentially just gossiping throughout the league, and

884
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: I think the penalties would be so extreme because if

885
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: you got caught paying a premium player cash under the table,

886
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: just blatantly cheating, the league would have no choice but

887
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: to come at you with the fire of a thousand sons.

888
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: So that it probably used to happen all the time

889
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 1: in pre Internet, pre emails, pre phones, seventies, eighties, nineties,

890
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: No doubt right, honestly, even probably early Internet. I just

891
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: think the ability to track stuff hard to trust, you

892
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: know that just no one's going to say anything. I

893
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: doubt it, I really do not saying it doesn't, but

894
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: I think the way that like you would watch like

895
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: a mob movie, right, I don't. I don't, and I'm

896
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: not naive about business. Listen, the private sector, those of

897
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: you guys that work in certain industries. The alcohol industry

898
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: is notoriously one. I went to dinner recently with a

899
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: guy that's in Arizona that's a part of a company

900
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: that's just kind of a heavy hitter, and you know,

901
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: the alcohol business. I'll just keep it that way, keep

902
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: it universal. And he's like, honestly, you know, it used

903
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: to be much more of the wild West than it

904
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: is now. Just regulations, it's too risky to get caught.

905
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: Not saying that there aren't some like, you know, ten

906
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: thousand dollars handshakes, but for the most part, it's just

907
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: not worth it. We're all making too much money. We're

908
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: all making too much money, and ultimately, some of them

909
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: to make a move because ultimately, like, what are you

910
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: giving them on the table? You're not going to give

911
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: him ten million dollars on the table, so you give

912
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: them a couple of million dollars. Is it is that

913
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: actually worth it to lose a first round pick. It's

914
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: just it's just not right, or lose multiple first round pick,

915
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: Like if you got caught paying some sweet player. Let's

916
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: say the Let's say I'll give you an example. Let's

917
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: say the forty nine ers paid Nick Bosa seventy five guaranteed,

918
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: and people are like, what he got way less than

919
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: his brother? And then it's like, are they paying them

920
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: on the table, And let's say they were, they were

921
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: paying them, like, I don't know, twenty million dollars a year.

922
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: Why don't they just pay him out of the salary

923
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 1: cap the money that they're getting from the media deal. Anyway,

924
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: isn't that the way to make sense? Okay, Joe, just

925
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: watch the condensed version of the Niner and Raider preseason

926
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: game to day. Got to say that trade did not

927
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: impress and I thought Sam looked pretty good. I've heard

928
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: you talk about being a Niner fan grown up, and

929
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: I feel those biases tend to come out, and so

930
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: of your takes. Anyway, I feel like everything changed for

931
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: the better once Kyle Shanahan showed up. Niners were winning

932
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 1: more games, scoring more points, and in general more exciting

933
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: to talk about. Do you think Kyle will stay with

934
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: us long term? Or do you think he could actually

935
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: finish the job and win a Super Bowl. Yeah, it's

936
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: just the biggest obstacle the Niners have to overcome is

937
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 1: they are in a tier right now with the Chiefs

938
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: who kick their ass last year, the Bengals, the Bills,

939
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: and whoever else comes out of the AFC who have

940
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: franchise quarterbacks. Right, and usually when you look at the

941
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that win the Super Bowl, Brady Manning, Roethlisberger, Rogers, right,

942
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: who won it? Stafford, it's usually high end guys. Now,

943
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: you can argue Stafford all you want, but he's a

944
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: high end talent and he has had a high end year.

945
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 1: It's very rare that like the Flaccos win it. Brad

946
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 1: Johnson and there is a major question mark on brock Purty.

947
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 1: Not like the guy we saw last year in those

948
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: games was really good. I've been watching football professionally for

949
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: a long time. He was fucking good. He was better

950
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: than Jimmy was and Jimmy was fine. But they proved

951
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: that they can compete for a Super Bowl with Jimmy.

952
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: So if Purdy is going to be better than Jimmy,

953
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: like they have a chance. It's just abnormal to do it.

954
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: And maybe Purdy goes on to have a long career

955
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: and he becomes like the next Cousins. But it's hard,

956
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, so I think that's their biggest question mark

957
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: is can they win the Super Bowl without Momps, without

958
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, without Burrow. There was a reason they tried

959
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: to get Matt Stafford. The Rams ultimately got him little

960
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: inside job with Jared Goff, which honestly a great trade

961
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: for the Ram or the Lions. But they wanted Matt

962
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: Stafford because like the Rams, they had the same freaking idea.

963
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: They drafted Trey Lance hoping that they could get Josh Allen,

964
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: and he looks more like Deshaun Kaiser. Hey, John, big

965
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: picture question for you with the pod, what are some

966
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: key elements NFL coaches are looking for in the preseason

967
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: from coaches challenges to players. As a casual fan, I'm

968
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: unsure what coaches are looking for, but uh, because we

969
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: are watching practice, squad guys play. We talked about it

970
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: earlier in the podcast. But another thing is most of

971
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: these teams are not game planning right. What will happen

972
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 1: over the next couple weeks starting You got a pretty

973
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: good idea by about mid August. What you're fifty three

974
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: is maybe a guy here, guy there. You start as

975
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: practice goes like, if you're the Pittsburgh Steelers, what are

976
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: you gonna start doing. You're gonna start preparing in practice

977
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: just leading up to week one period here, period there

978
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: for your defense and your offense against looks of the

979
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: forty nine ers. If you're the Bears or the Packers,

980
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: you start using some of their scheme stuff to practice against.

981
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 1: And I think it'll start within the next couple days

982
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: leading up to the first preseason game. You're just putting

983
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 1: in your offense and your defense, and when you call plays,

984
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: it's just calling plays that you have. It's your playbook.

985
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: And then once the season starts, you run your playbook,

986
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: but it's all scheme specific based on the game plan. Right.

987
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: You just have a general playbook, and then you add

988
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: plays and stuff as a season goes on based on

989
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: the teams you're playing, based on the defenses or offenses

990
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: you're playing. So when you see the practice squad guys

991
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: or the young backup guys, you just want to see

992
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: if they can execute the offense, right, Like you know

993
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: this rookie seventh round receiver, Like can he run the routes.

994
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: We're telling him, does he know the place? Does he block?

995
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: Does he try hard? Is this talent going to translate

996
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: so in your scheme, like in can he execute your stuff?

997
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: And really in the preseason games, when that guy plays

998
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: a lot, that's all they're looking for. And maybe if

999
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: he's like you're thinking about what could he be our backup?

1000
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: You start wondering could he execute your scheme during the

1001
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: regu season, But right now you're just trying to know

1002
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: can he run your place? And then I think your

1003
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: guys that like are sitting are gonna start using some

1004
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: of the scheme of your first game opponent. I think

1005
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: I was watching Kyle Shannon's press conference last week and

1006
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: he even said as like every day he tries to

1007
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: spend a little bit of time or at least every

1008
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: other day on one of their first four opponents, right

1009
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: just getting a feel for their defense, getting a feel

1010
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: for their personnel. So and I would imagine a lot

1011
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: of coaches do that. Like if you don't think I

1012
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: don't even know who the oh the Chiefs played the Lions,

1013
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: Like I'll promise you if you just walked in Andy

1014
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: Reid's office this week you're gonna look up and see

1015
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: the Lions film on I got no clue who the

1016
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: Chief's playing this week. On the preseason, the big guy

1017
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: is gonna start focusing on their first opponent. And trust me,

1018
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: he already has. He did it this summer, but I

1019
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 1: mean specifically right, like he's gonna watch their preseason game.

1020
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: It's just he's gonna start getting his mind and their personnel,

1021
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: their backups, their scheme. He did it over the summer.

1022
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: Even he admitted to it, Like what did you do

1023
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: for vacation? He's like worked, you know? So Belichick same thing,

1024
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: Like you think Belichick's watching you going into into his office.

1025
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: Eagles play the Patriots, right, they're gonna be There're gonna

1026
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: be some Eagle film on all the preseason games seeing

1027
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: if he can glean anything scheme wise, because they got

1028
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 1: new coordinators, so it's there's a lot going on. It's it, Honestly,

1029
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: I remember my first year in the NFL. It was overwhelming.

1030
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: It crossed my mind like maybe I can't cut it.

1031
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: I swear to god. Okay, the whole season was intense,

1032
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: but that preseason was that was intense. It is it's overwhelming. Overwhelming,

1033
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: is the wrong word. It's intense for Belichick, Howie Roseman,

1034
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, Kyle McVeigh, whoever you are. It's it's a

1035
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: lot going on. It's not overwhelming for those guys because

1036
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: they know it. If you're not just super organized, experience helps,

1037
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: right Once these guys been a league while coach or executive,

1038
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: it's you understand how to attack it. But there's a

1039
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: lot of work to be done. There's a lot of

1040
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: moving parts, a lot of players in the league. I'll

1041
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: never forget. I mean, the anxiety I have. I can

1042
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: feel it coursing through my veins right now. That first

1043
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: training camp was just like, holy shit, this is intense.

1044
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: Longtime listener, first time in the DMS. I feel like

1045
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 1: this may have been asked before, but do you think

1046
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: the NFL could go to a subscription based platform, kind

1047
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: of like they have with NFL Plus already, but maybe

1048
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: the ability to subscribe to your favorite team as well

1049
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: as the league as a whole. I'm a Detroit fan

1050
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: that lives in Arkansas, so the only game I usually

1051
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: get to see is a Thanksgiving game. For me, personally,

1052
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: I feel like this could be a good idea, although

1053
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what would work with the TV deals. Well,

1054
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: this is the thing. Bro. Think about this and listen.

1055
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: It was more difficult with DirecTV in the package, but

1056
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: the Internet's changed the game. So you'll get all your

1057
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: local games in Arkansas whatever CBS and Fox, and then

1058
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: obviously you get the primetime games. But I would imagine

1059
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,439
Speaker 1: Arkansas you get a lot of Cowboys games, are getting

1060
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 1: a lot of NFC East and then the national games.

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00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 1: YouTube TV now has the package, so you can get

1062
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: YouTube TV and watch every Lions game. That's when I

1063
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: moved last year. I did it for the forty nine ers,

1064
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: like I just got and I got the I only

1065
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: got the Internet package right, so I didn't have direct TV.

1066
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: But YouTube TV is going to be incredible. I mean

1067
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: it's going to be your best friend. So if you

1068
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: are and you have to get it this year, I mean,

1069
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: your team might make the playoffs, so just get the

1070
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 1: package YouTube TV. I think it's an absolute no brainer.

1071
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: Hey John, longtime listener, Alma, Modern City of Slow, that's

1072
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: where you're from. I'm a big Bengals fan. I'm constantly

1073
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: hearing how the Bengals won't be able to keep Burrow

1074
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: chasing Higgins together. My question is why not Burrow listed

1075
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: multiple times that he will work his deal to keep everyone.

1076
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 1: T and Chase have both stated the plan to all

1077
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: be in sinsy for a while. What is your opinion, Well,

1078
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: my opinion is this, Yes, they can keep all three guys,

1079
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: but ideally, you like to have a you like to

1080
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: have like complimentary pieces. Right. You want a premium tackle,

1081
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: you want a linebacker, you want a corner, you want

1082
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: one highly paid wide receiver. It's hard to have duplicates

1083
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: at certain positions, right, Like Jamar Chase is going to

1084
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: be a Jordan Justin Jefferson level number. DeVante Adams number

1085
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: is going to be enormous. Even if T. Higgins is

1086
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: the second tier, that's still twenty million, right, So Joe Burrow,

1087
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: like we know the numbers, then, like his contract is set,

1088
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: it's herbert a little more right, it's one hundred and

1089
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: ninety five million dollars. It's whatever forty five to fifty

1090
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. You can't really avoid that. To me,

1091
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: it's not that they technically can't pay all three guys.

1092
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 1: It's that if T. Higgins has was a starting corner

1093
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: in the equivalent, like a really good fringe Pro Bowl guy,

1094
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: it'd be a no brainer. You just pay all three

1095
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,919
Speaker 1: of them. But can you have two wide receivers even

1096
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: if you fudge the salary cap making that much money?

1097
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: I just think you have to ask the question fundamentally,

1098
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: could you invest it into other positions? That would be

1099
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: my question because Jamar Chase is going nowhere, So really

1100
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 1: we're talking Chase and Burrow. Do you entertain like would

1101
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: you trade Higgins play out this season? Would you play Higgins?

1102
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: Trade Higgins for could you get like two two's? Like

1103
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 1: would you entertain that? I think you have to think

1104
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: about it from a team building standpoint, But yeah, you

1105
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: can financially afford to keep all of them, right, it's

1106
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: just do you want to highly paid wide receivers? It

1107
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 1: makes it, It makes it very difficult because what made

1108
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: if you think about it, the Chiefs unique for all

1109
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: those years is Tyreek started making a lot, but Travis,

1110
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: because he plays tight end, is way cheaper. So they're

1111
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: not on the same wage scale. So if you have

1112
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: let's say you have like a Luke Keekley or Fred

1113
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: Warner on the Bengals, you would be much more inclined like, ah,

1114
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: this is easy. We pay this guy fifteen million, We

1115
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: paid Jamar Write twenty eight million, and Burrow whatever, and

1116
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: it kind of bounces out at different positions. I think

1117
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: it gets very very difficult non O or d Lineman

1118
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: to have duplicates making a shitload of money. Like think

1119
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: about the Eagles right now. AJ makes a ton, but

1120
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: Vontae Smith doesn't make any money. They've paid Dallas Goddard,

1121
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: but he's a tight end, so relative to like he

1122
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: makes less than like a Mark Cooper. That to me,

1123
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: you have to look at it from that perspective, not

1124
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: that technically you can pay them all. Yes, then you

1125
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: just start cutting other positions. Heard you say you were

1126
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: going toddo this weekend. What's your favorite spot around the

1127
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: lake is? And second, as a lifelong Niners fan from

1128
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 1: the Bay Area, what do you think the main reason

1129
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: Trey Lance failed with the Niners. I was so high

1130
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: on them when they traded up. But since I've hopped

1131
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: on the purty train, interested to hear your thoughts. I

1132
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 1: grew up going to South Lake for those of you

1133
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 1: that don't know, like Tahoe, that is the side of

1134
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: the lake where the golf tournament is with all the

1135
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 1: celebrities and the athletes, and one of my best friends

1136
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: had a house in this place called Fallen Leaf Lake,

1137
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: which is a little bit away from Lake Tahoe. Just

1138
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: an awesome places, a little less rules. You kind of

1139
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: have a good time on the boat. It's if any

1140
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: of you have seen The Bodyguard, it's where The Bodyguard

1141
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: was filmed. So South Lake is where the casinos are

1142
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: as well. I grew up going to South Lake. Well,

1143
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: the last couple of years I spent time on the

1144
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: West Shore. It's pretty incredible. That's where The God was filmed.

1145
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg now has a place in that kind of compound.

1146
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 1: It's absolutely gorgeous. My brother's wife has a place in

1147
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: Incline Village, which is on the Nevada side, which they

1148
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: now have named Income Village because a lot of people

1149
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: have gone there to avoid the California state taxes. Because

1150
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: you go from thirteen to zero pass an imaginary line.

1151
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people complain about taxes, but

1152
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: until you cross an imaginary line and see them on

1153
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,959
Speaker 1: your taxhi, You're like, damn, it's a pretty good living.

1154
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: I just crossed a line that doesn't even exist in

1155
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: that We spend time there on Saturday at Incline, it

1156
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: was beach, the bar, the pool is pretty bad ass.

1157
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, I don't discriminate when it comes

1158
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: to like Tahoe. I still liked South Shore. I think

1159
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: the West Shore hadn't spent that much time, is badass.

1160
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: An inclined village. If podcasting goes well for me and

1161
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: I ever get a place there, it would be on

1162
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: the Nevada site line for one hundred percent sure. And

1163
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: on Trey Lance, You're just not good enough. I think

1164
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: it's just that simple. It's just he doesn't have he

1165
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: doesn't see the field, he doesn't look like a natural quarterback.

1166
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: I think it's just that simple. Like when you watch

1167
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: even a lot of the hybrid players, think of like

1168
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, he's got some flaws or whatever, But when

1169
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: he's playing well, you're just like, God, he just just

1170
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: looks like a quarterback. Most of the guys that are

1171
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: good in the NFL, they just might have bad plays

1172
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: or whatever. Dak Cousins think about some of the guys

1173
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: we nitpicked, Derek Carr, they still feel like like you

1174
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: just watch them, you go, yeah, I've got some flaws.

1175
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: Like when I watch Trey I watch a guy I

1176
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: was in the car. I listened to Michael Lombardi's podcast.

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00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: It's like he looks like a guy. Maybe his co

1178
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: host said this, and I was like, that's a pretty

1179
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: good line. He looks like a guy playing a quarterback

1180
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: in a movie. It's just not natural to him, you know.

1181
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: And I think you go back to none of the

1182
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: teams in the Big Ten off from scholarships to play quarterback.

1183
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you can get by with talent at

1184
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: lower levels. I think it's very, very difficult in the

1185
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: pros and the NFL is a lot about accuracy, touch, manipulation,

1186
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: being calm under pressure, which is hard. It's why these

1187
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: guys make so much money. Joe Burrow Mahomes like, these

1188
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: guys are so calm under pressure. Even the guys we nitpick,

1189
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins and Dak like, they do it at such

1190
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: a higher level than the guys that can't. And I

1191
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: think there's a level of Trey stuff you can't quantify. Right.

1192
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: You can see the ball wobbling, you can see an

1193
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: incomplete pass, but it's hard to quantify, like no one's

1194
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: in his eyes but himself. But like coaches, no go, yeah,

1195
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: he doesn't see it. I bet that's something that Like

1196
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: when a lot of coaches throughout the NFL watched Trey

1197
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: Lance's tape, the number one thing they'll say is like, Ay,

1198
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: he just doesn't see it. And sometimes you can coach

1199
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: up a guy to see it because of the offense,

1200
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: because of the scheme. Listen, I know he hasn't played,

1201
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: but he's been in the scheme now for three years.

1202
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: Sam Donald showed up yesterday, Brandon Allen showed up this year.

1203
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: Rock Purty was a seventh round pick last year. Shouldn't

1204
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: be that difficult in preseason game games. I don't give

1205
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: a shit how bad your offensive line is. Like he

1206
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't pull the trigger like he kept hesitating. It's like,

1207
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: you gotta let it rip. I understand if if C. J.

1208
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: Stroud or Anthony Richardson's like they've been in an NFL

1209
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: pads in a helmet now for fifteen days. This dude's

1210
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: been in the league for three years. So even if

1211
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: he hasn't played that many games, every day at practice

1212
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: with these guys every day for years. I recently read

1213
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: an article that Trent Williams compared Brock Purty to Cousins.

1214
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: Williams stated in the article that both Cousins and Party

1215
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: were similar in that they both took football very seriously.

1216
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: I would be happy if Brock turns out to be

1217
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: similar in playstyle to Cousins. But what does Purdy need

1218
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: to do to show to be on the level of

1219
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. Uh? Here's the thing. I think it's pretty simple.

1220
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: I think it's very unfair, and I'm guilty of it.

1221
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: We're all guilty of it. Our first comparison is always

1222
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: the highest end guy, like, oh, this guy kind of

1223
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: looks like Steph Curry. It's like, oh, that could this

1224
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: be the Goodecks Tiger Woods. It's like, shit, is this

1225
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: guy kind of like process like Peyton Manning. I think

1226
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: we need to start at the Cousins at best right

1227
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: and even that, I mean, this guy's gonna go on

1228
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: to be a twelve thirteen year starter. I think the

1229
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: thing with Purdy that does different Cousins and right now

1230
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: Cousins arm, which I think got better throughout his career.

1231
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: I think the version of Cousins arm in Minnesota was

1232
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: better early than early on in his career. I think

1233
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: he's got a pretty good arm. I think he's got

1234
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: a better arm than dak as a guy that he

1235
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: gets compared to a lot. Cousins is not a very

1236
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: good athlete relative to the NFL people, so he can't scramble,

1237
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: he can't add lip. Purty is a is a better

1238
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: athlete than Cousins pretty can move. The difference though, is

1239
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: Cousin's a little taller, so it's easier for him to see.

1240
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: I guess maybe Cousins a little shorter to think. Actually,

1241
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: the thing with Drew Brees did not move, I mean

1242
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: occasionally on some boot and like waggle stuff, but he

1243
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: was not I would not consider Drew Brees the athlete,

1244
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: not that he was a bad athlete, but his he

1245
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: was a pocket quarterback and the offense that Sean Payton like,

1246
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: they were just perfect for each other. So can he

1247
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: be that version to Kyle which is insane to even say.

1248
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Drew Brees a first Battle Hall of Famer

1249
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: and won a Super Bowl and a lot of their

1250
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: success was him. Where Perty, who actually was really good

1251
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: statistically and it tests and everything last year, has a

1252
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: long way to go from being the guy that the

1253
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: team depends on. So I think he just has to just,

1254
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, throw thirty five touchdowns this year, which

1255
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: he should be able to. They got Deebo Samuel, they

1256
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: got Christian McCaffrey, they got Brandon a Uth, they got

1257
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: George Kittle, they got dudes. Jawan Jennings a good player,

1258
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: but he's got it. Let's just let's just like become

1259
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: Derek Carr, you know, and Kirk Cousins early on in

1260
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: their career and then go from there. I'm guilty of

1261
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: that too. Other than the Vikings finishing a miraculous eight

1262
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,959
Speaker 1: to zero, I think it was in one score games

1263
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: last year, why do you think it is that a

1264
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: lot of people are taking the Lions to win the

1265
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: NFC North over the Vikings this year. Well, I think

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Speaker 1: you could make the argument that the talent on the

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Speaker 1: two teams is not that far apart. I think the

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Speaker 1: Lions have added a ton of talent. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think Hutchinson's going to be a stud. So is Hutchinson

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Speaker 1: the best delignement of the two teams? You know, is

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Speaker 1: there that big of a gap of Jared Goff and

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins. If Jared Goff is going to play like

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Speaker 1: you did last year, you know, it's not like the

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Speaker 1: Vikings have some super established coach, really good season, but

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Speaker 1: it was one year. Now the Lions have a lot

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Speaker 1: of question marks two right in terms of Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 1: But I watched those games last year, especially, I think

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Speaker 1: the one in Detroit that Minnesota came back to win.

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Speaker 1: Like if you, I don't know if I watched both

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Speaker 1: of them. I definitely vividly remember watching the one in

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Speaker 1: Detroit thinking like, I don't see the difference in the

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Speaker 1: talent on these two teams. I really don't. And there's

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Speaker 1: a physical nature to Detroit that I thought at the

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Speaker 1: end of the season that Minnesota didn't have. Now you

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Speaker 1: had Flores, that the defense could be better. I think

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Speaker 1: it's fair to say it's probably closer to a coin

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Speaker 1: flip than it is ever one pick an Alliance. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to pick Alliance. I just believe in their talent. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't think the Lion's a gonna win the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: but I think they're gonna be good. I really do. Hey, John,

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Speaker 1: got to give you a big shot out before anything else.

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Speaker 1: I like this guy. Mike. Your content has gotten me

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Speaker 1: through the summer with no football Probabs for making it happen.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you. I always love when your life and career advice.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I remember you mentioning you had a

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Speaker 1: small career gap between your time as a scout and

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Speaker 1: your time in radio. What did you do in the

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Speaker 1: intermediary to make ends meet? How did you balance the

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Speaker 1: demands of life while still developing launching your new career. Well,

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Speaker 1: when I got fired, contract not extended, however you want

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Speaker 1: to define it. In Philly, I was living in San Francisco. Now,

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Speaker 1: I was lucky that I had a buddy, a family

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Speaker 1: friend my cousins were good friends with, who was crushing

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Speaker 1: it in San Francisco. So he had rented me a

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Speaker 1: room in a city that was shooting like a rock

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Speaker 1: chip at the time in twenty thirteen. With tech money,

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Speaker 1: my room was like eight hundred dollars right, the same room.

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Speaker 1: The equivalent should have been four x that. So I

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Speaker 1: was paying nothing in rent. And then I would say

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Speaker 1: by within a couple months. Now, I took unemployment. I remember,

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Speaker 1: I never knew anyth about unemployment. I'd never been unemployed. Hell,

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Speaker 1: I'd only been working in my late twenties, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I was thirty years old. It's like what, I don't

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Speaker 1: even know what unemployment is. Beside in my mind, like

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Speaker 1: thinking unemployment was something that I had too much pride

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Speaker 1: to do it. And then my cousin, who's a business owner,

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Speaker 1: is like, bro, that's your money. You paid into it,

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Speaker 1: Like that's you give that money there. Don't be an

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Speaker 1: idiot use it. So I was able to use that

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Speaker 1: to survive for a couple of months as I just

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Speaker 1: started doing like Mike Silver helped get me in the

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Speaker 1: local Comcast and I started doing some local TV. I

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Speaker 1: started doing radio hits, and I started making money. I

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Speaker 1: was able to make not much, but you have to

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Speaker 1: remember when I got fired in the NFL, I was

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Speaker 1: making fifty grand. So it wasn't like a lot of

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Speaker 1: my friends in the real world. You know, private sector

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Speaker 1: jobs were already by that time. And at thirty years old,

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Speaker 1: making one hundred fifty two hudred gand thre hundred gran,

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Speaker 1: I mean they were crushing it right. I was by

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Speaker 1: far the poorest person of anyone that I hung out with,

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Speaker 1: not in football, so my standard of living was not

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Speaker 1: that high, and I was able to start making several

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars a month kind of hustling as Actually I

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Speaker 1: was taking unemployment too because I was only working part time,

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Speaker 1: and then it just kind of materialized relatively fast. I

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Speaker 1: got I was doing full time radio basically by that fall,

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Speaker 1: and doing TV all the time. So it just kind

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Speaker 1: of happened quick. And I started doing some stuff with

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Speaker 1: Bleacher Report. Yeah, just you know, part of it when

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Speaker 1: you've never made any money. Even it's not like I

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Speaker 1: was twenty two, you know, I was twenty nine, thirty

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Speaker 1: years old. You're kinda naive. Maybe I was twenty nine. Maybe, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was twenty nine. May maybe you're a little naive

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Speaker 1: to the pressure and what, Like, God, I don't really

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Speaker 1: have a future. What am I going to do? I

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Speaker 1: wasn't really that scared, you know, And I think it

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Speaker 1: actually has served me well as I've gotten older. Of

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Speaker 1: like you know, listen, I fired whatever, and it's like things,

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Speaker 1: some stuff is out of your control. Now. It's easier

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01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: said than done. If you got a couple of kids,

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Speaker 1: you got a big mortgage payment, Like, my life is

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Speaker 1: completely different now right. I'm to hell, I'm still paying

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Speaker 1: for an office and I got a mortgage payment starting

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Speaker 1: on this new house. So and I got a big

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Speaker 1: construction project going. So like as you get older, things changed.

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Speaker 1: I don't have kids yet. But I think it really

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Speaker 1: helped that I was pretty naive, and I honestly wasn't

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Speaker 1: really that scared, and I, you know, I was very

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Speaker 1: lucky to have a mom and dad that didn't really say, like,

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Speaker 1: you gotta find a job right away, figure it out,

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Speaker 1: you know, they didn't. I didn't really have like outside

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Speaker 1: pressure that messed with my head, so I just kind

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Speaker 1: of swung my pick and I hustled. I'm a hustler

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Speaker 1: by nature, so I got in relatively quick, and there

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Speaker 1: was some luck. I had a buddy that had a

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Speaker 1: radio show guy at the local radio station, and it

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Speaker 1: just should happen fast. I don't want to say I'm

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Speaker 1: lucky because I had spent you know, basically six years

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Speaker 1: working in football, one hundred hour weeks making nothing like

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Speaker 1: I was in position to talk about football, and I'm

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Speaker 1: just a natural talker, so it was a perfect transition.

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Speaker 1: You know. I meant for more for this medium than

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Speaker 1: working in football, But I know football better than anyone

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Speaker 1: that hasn't worked in football, that talks about it for

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Speaker 1: a living. So it's like, I feel pretty comfortable. I

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Speaker 1: was pretty confident. I guess when I made the transition,

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Speaker 1: I Also, one thing that served me well is I

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Speaker 1: didn't want to get back to the NFL, so I

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Speaker 1: immediately just start saying what I think is like I

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Speaker 1: was just authentic in the way I talked about it,

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Speaker 1: like this guy sucks. I don't think this coach is

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Speaker 1: any good. And it's what a lot of guys that

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Speaker 1: want to get back into sports, like Bob Myers, who's

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01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: won four championships, was the GM of the Dynasty Warriors,

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Speaker 1: is going to start working for ESPN on NBA Countdown.

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Speaker 1: I have zero faith. And Bob's a high level guy.

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Speaker 1: He is going to talk shit about players and coaches.

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Speaker 1: He's not going to do it. And if you're not

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Speaker 1: willing to do it, it's just going to be hard

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Speaker 1: to be good at what we do because you got

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Speaker 1: to speak for the fan, and the fan sees it.

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Speaker 1: We all see it, and everyone's thinking it. Are you

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01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: just willing to say it? And if you're not to

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Speaker 1: say it, then you can't hack it. And I was

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Speaker 1: willing to say it immediately. And at the time, Harball

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Speaker 1: was going through some stuff. The Raiders were a disaster,

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Speaker 1: and I came in guns blazing. I mean I was

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Speaker 1: firing from every freaking angle. I think, guy, I say

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Speaker 1: what I think now, I mean at the time, I

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Speaker 1: did not give a shit and it short me well,

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01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 1: so yeah, sometimes you gotta be careful depending on what

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Speaker 1: you do. Though that's don't take that tactic for everything.

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Speaker 1: Have a good one. I will be back again, probably tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I'll do another podcast. Lot going on in the league,

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Speaker 1: and I took I didn't have a Monday pod, so

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Speaker 1: I gotta keep pumping them out and let's let's all

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Speaker 1: have a good week. Peace. The volume