WEBVTT - QLS Classic: The Revolution 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.680 Questlove Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:09.080 was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies and gentlemen, 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.880 this is QLs classic. My name is Quest Love, and 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:15.640 we go back in the archives to September twenty sixteen, 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:20.279 some months after Prince's death. The members of his legendary band, 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:25.160 The Revolution, gathered together can give us reflective moments of 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:34.440 his life and his career. We hope you enjoy. Here 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:34.600 we go. 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:42.839 Suprema Supremo So some Supremo who call Suprema su su 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:49.960 Supremo Ro call Suprema Sun So Supremo who call Subprema 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:52.360 sun Suprema ro call. 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:58.520 My name is Questo? Yeah, shut up already, damn. This 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:02.640 is a special Purple News. Dearly beloved, check this out. 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:06.000 This is Questlove and you're tuned to a very special 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:12.840 episode of Questlove Supreme, only on Pandora. Right now, I 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:14.920 think it's about time that me and the whole Team 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:18.640 Supreme take a road trip up to Uptown, up the 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:22.280 mini wood of the Minneapolis, the home of the legendary 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.840 Prince Rogers Nelson. That's right, We're going on a road trip, 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:31.240 all of us, all of Teams Supreme, Von Tigelow Sugar, Steve, Unpaid, Bill, 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:36.480 Boss Bill, and now our recent edition Life this very 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:39.880 special Minneapolis episode of Quest Love Supreme, We're going to 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:44.040 talk to one of the hardest working bands of all time. 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:47.360 That's right. I say they're the hardest working band. No 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:51.920 band has prep more, rehearsed more and perfective more the 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.560 Revolution Prince's band, that's right. I know you're like the 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:58.600 Revolution exactly. We got them all. We got Bobby C. 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:02.160 We got Brown One, Doctor Fink went Da Lisa. We 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:05.200 also got de Dickerson, and we got Andre Simo, and 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:08.679 we got s Sanna Milk, the subject of many a 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:11.760 print song. So, without further ado, or if you're right 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:15.040 back with Bobby Z, Brown Mark, Doctor Fink, must Leaf 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:21.760 Sepree only on Pandora without further ado, ladies and gentlemen, 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:27.400 I'll probably say probably one of the most influential group 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:31.240 members of of I don't know, I mean behind the 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.040 creativity and the work ethic. I know no other band 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.400 that's ever worked harder than The Revolution. We like to 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:41.200 welcome Bobby z, h, Doctor Fink, and Brown Mark to 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:54.200 Quest Good. You're good, that's awesome. That's awesome. So I 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.360 have to, you know, there's so there's so many questions 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:58.520 to ask, but I really would like to start with 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:02.760 the with the beginning, the very beginning of how the 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:05.320 group came together, but even before then, Like what were 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:07.680 your backgrounds? Like, are all of you from Minnesota? 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:10.000 Or I was raised here? 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:16.120 Born in uh Bronx, New York b Yeah, yeah, but 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:17.320 I did not know? 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:19.240 Yeah, yeah, when did you move here? 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:19.880 How old were you ago? 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:22.560 I was about seven seventh, Okay, it's been a long time. 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:24.240 So what what brought you here? 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.040 My mother, she just wanted to Uh, my my dad 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:29.960 was military and h he's based out it. 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:34.120 He he's from here, so this is where all his 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:37.000 family was when they got married, and then we came along. 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:39.480 She just wanted us to be closer to his family 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:43.280 cause he was always overseas okay, and so that's how 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:44.080 we ended up here. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:46.920 Think what about you, what's your your early big you 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:48.160 know your well. 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.640 I was born here, okay, and uh, Bobby and I 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.480 were both born in the suburb of Saint Louis Park, 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.880 which was one of the the you know what we're 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.400 called the Inner Ring suburbs, like ten minutes from downtown. 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:02.880 So you could just you know, shoot downtown to Minneapolis 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:07.960 really quick and easy. And so we started with music 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:11.520 pretty early. I mean my parents had me studying piano 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:16.360 at a very early age, right around six, and studied 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:22.320 classical really throughout through high school and jazz. Jazz came 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:26.120 in about age of fourteen when I demanded to be 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.400 hooked up with a jazz teacher here in town. 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:31.479 You demanded, yes, I did. 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:35.240 I told my parents that I really want to study jazz. 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:41.400 So they we found these really great teachers here that 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:46.159 had studios downtown here in Minneapolis, and they were called 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:49.800 Wigley and Associates. There's just two guys, and Tom Weakland 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.960 was my teacher. I credit him with a you know, 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:57.480 teaching me improv and improvisational techniques and all that. 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:01.240 And well this isn't usual because most people, I would think, 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:05.240 would like, like see something influential rock and roll in 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:06.560 television and be like that's. 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:06.760 What I want. 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.800 Oh well that was there too, I mean definitely throughout 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.640 all that. I mean I was six when the Beatles 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:14.840 came on Ed Sullivan. I watched it live and then 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.040 I was off and running from that too. That was 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.560 a huge influence on me that time. 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.960 Yeah, Okay, sir Bobby, both you and your brother. 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.960 Yeah, I was just gonna say, well, Matt mentioned Saint 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.919 Louis Park, which was produced a lot of great people, 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:35.640 Al Franken and you know Wilson. It's just kind of 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:40.200 a strange outer ring suburb that really did produce a. 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:40.680 Lot of fun. 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.240 But yeah, my brother David was kind of the godfather 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:48.840 of this whole thing because, like Matt said, our families. 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:49.040 Knew each other. 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:53.000 But David was before the Beatles with Peter Paul and 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.960 Mary in the case to Trio. You know, the hippie 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:58.680 folk thing that was just moving with the anti war 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:02.479 movement grew, you know, the folk music. Of course, Bob 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:08.760 Dylan came from here, but David was also. They created 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.159 their own band. It's a whole Soma scene here with 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.920 Soma Records was Amos spelt backwards and Amos Highlacher own 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:20.760 music Land, So they had a label with the Chancellors 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:25.440 and the high Spirits and and the trash men with 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.119 Surf and Bird, and you know there was the cast 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.880 raised with liar liar. I mean, it was exploding here 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:35.560 in the in the late sixties, and those guys eventually 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.960 laid the kind of the fertile ground for the musical 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:43.799 Messiah to come. And you know Owen Husty of course 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.520 was part of that group and it. But Matt and 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.800 I had known each other because our families, our mothers 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:54.320 worked together very creative people. Matn's dad was very creative 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:57.919 and actors and radio and skits, and my mother was 0:06:58.000 --> 0:06:59.839 very creative, and so Matt I. 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:01.560 They would come to the house. 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.400 When we were very young, and my brother David was 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.120 already showing us how to poke holes in the player 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:11.280 piano to make more notes and. 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:16.520 So really, yeah, so David's old. David's eight years older. See, 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:22.680 in my head always thought he was like your little brother. Yeah, yeah, 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:24.120 I didn't know that he's the older brother. 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.480 Yeah, older than Steve's in the middle of four. But 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:29.160 when David met Prince, you know, Prince had worked with 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:33.440 a with the eight track, and then David was working 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:35.280 at Sound eighty and the. 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.040 First digital actual. 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:40.960 I think multi track digital was three AM and they 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.120 gave it to Sound eighty one of them anyway. 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.920 So all all of that was the main that was 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:51.360 the centerpiece of Minneapolis. Yeah, it was her. 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:55.960 Pilhoffer, a big jingle writer, a big orchestrator, and he 0:07:56.040 --> 0:08:00.800 built this incredibly beautiful facility for its time, you know, 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:05.800 forty eight track two inches and you know, incredible. 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:08.600 Drum boots and stuff. You know. 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:12.640 It was really it was something and put struck to 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:13.560 out like a fish to. 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:14.160 Water, you know. 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.480 And Peppy Willie we recorded their studio Beat two with 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:21.960 the Polydor deal with ten fifteen and those tracks are 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:22.800 played on. 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:27.000 Did any of you guys have any like lofty goals 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.760 of like world domination or was it just like, hey, 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:32.720 we'll just start a band, maybe I'll go to college 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:36.480 or the army And yeah, no, I'd suburb definitely wanted 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.160 to you wanted to break out of Oh yeah, no question. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.280 Did you feel there was a legitimate scene to nurture 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:44.560 in Minnesota or was it like I gotta get to 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:45.160 New York. 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.280 Or it was more about getting to New York or 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:49.720 LA and doing it. But we I always thought you 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.120 could still do it anywhere in the country because you know, 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.400 a lot of groups broke out from different cities. 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:56.440 But we were. 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:01.760 Really at that time one of the few groups that 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.360 was able to do it at that time, just because 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:07.120 Prince got his deal with Warner Brothers, you know, but. 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:09.400 For me, I was on the I was like right 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.560 on the cusp of that generation gap. They were in 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.240 a d different generation than me, okay, and. 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:18.880 You saying we're old. Nah. 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:20.920 You know it was weird because m the generation of 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:24.000 musicians that I hung out with, it was there. There's 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:27.720 there was this distinct border of the type of music 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:32.360 that we we approached. But I just remember when I 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:36.440 was about seventeen, sixteen seventeen, I was determined. 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:38.000 It was nothing gonna stop me. 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:41.080 I was in the studio by the time I was 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:44.880 sixteen years old, recording, trying to start my own thing. 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:46.880 Even though I couldn't even say I, I didn't care. I 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.600 was gonna do whatever it took. Cause I saw Prince 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:52.079 did it, went in there and did all the instruments, 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.680 and I was like, well, wait a minute, you know 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:55.680 this can be done. 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:57.439 And so I was determined. 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.679 So how how did p into your Who's the first 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:05.960 kid into the radar? Bobby Okay? I was. 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.160 A runner for Hustny. He had an ad agency. 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:11.679 I had. 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:16.960 Just done it one summer from my junior year, and 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.600 then in his senior year, I graduated high school and 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:23.000 was U I inherited the job from Jeff Siegel, who 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:27.680 went on to do the Renaissance Festival here and just 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:32.080 amazing talent. And he had created this yellow excuse me, 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:36.520 yellow paper delivery service, which just was kind of a 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:38.640 invoice that you turn in on a yellow piece of 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:40.840 paper on Friday, so it was you handed it in 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:41.320 the hustney. 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:43.600 It was like fifty dollars a week or something to 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:44.280 drive around. 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.920 And then I was in this this band, Kevin Odergarden. 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.079 The KO band was kind of a country rock band 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:54.360 following Marshall Tucker and all that stuff back then. And 0:10:56.240 --> 0:11:00.960 you know, my job became kind of mixed because at 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:06.160 the studio I was walking from the back room, which 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:07.800 when the studio, I've heard too. 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:09.560 His Moon sound. So Chris Moon owned that. 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:13.320 Chris Moon owned the studio and photography studio, and I 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:17.640 think he used it to get girls mostly, but I'm 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:21.080 a photographery English accent, but he was very charming guy. 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.800 And so I was with this band. 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:28.360 That we were helping build in the back room for 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:30.959 free rehearsal. We were kind of painting it or doing whatever, 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:36.080 wrecking it, whatever we were doing. And this one fateful 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:39.240 day I was just walking from the back hall from 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:43.520 Studio B to the front door, and I heard this 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.520 sound coming out of the door wide open Studio A. 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.760 I just looked in there and saw the fro first 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:55.280 and just heard this sound, and he was he was 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:59.880 working on baby, and he stopped. I got the half 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:06.240 turned startled. Just the eyes move, you know, more of 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:10.959 a different electricity current than anything I've ever felt. I mean, 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:13.760 we're all in the same current. He ran on a 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:17.240 different electric current. So you could just kind of tell 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.839 as the personality, even though he was shy that there 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.600 was just so much going on in there. And so 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:28.000 I just sat down because it's like, you know, he 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:30.920 was just a guy recording at that point. 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:32.120 I just sat down and. 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:33.560 He just looked at me like, you know, with that 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.880 horrified look that we found out later was you know, 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.120 who are you and what are you doing in my chair? 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:43.840 You don't get out of here. So I just sat 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:45.840 there and I just kind of listening and just go 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.320 ahead and play it. You know, look, that's amazing. You 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:53.800 know what's going on here? There's nothing, you know, I said, yeah, sure, 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.160 And then Chris moonwalked in, What are you doing in here? 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:57.959 It's you know, this is exprience and everything. 0:12:58.000 --> 0:12:59.840 I said, Oh okay, I didn't know this was like 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:04.000 a nuclear you know, we need a special you know, 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:07.680 suit to get in here. And uh. And so that 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.480 the laughter, the first laugh I got out of him 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:16.000 was the connection, and humor is kind of how I 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.840 got into it. And then I'd see him like every 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.760 day until one day he went with the hand you know, 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:25.240 come in and he goes, sit down, and I was 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:29.480 just like okay, and he goes, watch just I want 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:30.719 you to make sure that drug. I want you to 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:35.200 hit record, and I said okay. So I'm sitting there 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:36.599 and I hit record and he's out there in the 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.680 drum booth and he's putting down a drum track and 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:42.239 I go, okay, well that's interesting. 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:44.520 It's like, where is he going? What is he doing? 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.840 Is is a drum track, comes back in the boot, 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.640 picks up the bass. He's putting on a bass truck, 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.520 and I'm going, that's pretty incredible. 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:54.920 Picks up the tarn. 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:58.439 There's the keyboards, and I'm sitting there pretty numb at 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.760 this point, you know, watching all this go down. And 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.160 then he goes, I want you to punch me on vocals, 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.880 and you know, it's like I'll just hit record, you know, 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.080 and then he just recorded. He goes, stop, okay, go 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:09.800 back to the next track, and we did the next track. 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.240 So I kind of like got in there a little 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:13.439 bit there and then. 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.960 So he jed on engineering. 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.040 Yeah, of course, I mean it's just you know, I 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:22.120 was like, you didn't realize all the things were. So 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:25.040 then I became Then the studio, I met him, and 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.720 then we were hired by Chrismin for slide shows because 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.000 that's what the back the work was. Back then, there 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.400 wasn't any needle drop. There wasn't any music, so you'd 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.920 hire these musicians to come up with, you know, jams 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:39.040 basically that had no publishing rights. So me and Prince, 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.520 my brother David, and the bass player from this country 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.480 rock band, Gary Lopak, were doing a thing and that's 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:46.920 the first time I saw him play an acoustic pianolok 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.920 a regular upright panel and it was just like that 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:53.320 was it when you saw the piano and the panel 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.600 was moving and it was like a Max Fleisher Betty 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.640 Boot cartoon and with Cab calloway, the thing was just 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.000 kind of uh, you know those extra notes he kind 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:04.680 of puts in those chords. It was just kind of like, 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:06.640 I've never heard anything. 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.960 Like that before. How was he at this point? He 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:15.640 was seventeen. Wow, So slide shows like these events would happen. 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:17.880 Well, you know when corporate shows get together now they 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:20.280 put together slick video and all stuff about the car. 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:22.880 Someone just tells me and put a playlist together. So yeah, 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.480 back then, y'all have a playlists. 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:32.000 Yeah, but it was that was the beginning of the friendship. 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.000 And then Andre entered the mix, and then the three 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.800 of us were the three Musketeers for a while because 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.160 they got Obviously some stuff happened with Morris. I. I 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:42.960 came new to it because the history from the whole 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:47.560 community in the North Side, but the flag time, Alexander 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:50.040 O'Neill and everything, and Andrea and I was just kind 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:53.840 of like they you know, I Prince wanted a you know, 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.320 a rock drummer, and he said, I want, you know, 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:57.640 spin sticks on fire. 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:02.480 I said, I can't, I'm not gonna because I'll show you. 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:03.160 So he took it. 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:05.440 He took you to Mother's finance and the guy was 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:06.600 spinning sticks on fire. 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.800 That's right, okay. I was sparklaying whatever they were doing. 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.840 And and then we walked away from He goes, what 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:15.600 did you think? And I said, you know, it's crazy 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:17.600 rock band. It's just you know, because he had these 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.520 beautiful melodies too, and then he had these big rock 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:23.120 chams like baby. It was kind of like what, you know, 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:26.360 are you Mother's Finest or are you Joni Mitchell or what? 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:27.600 And then we saw. 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:31.400 Fleetwood Mac together and that was that was achieved later 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:33.120 with Wendy and Lisa. 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.840 So the goals were there for a long term. 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.920 It's kind of a combination of Mother's Finest, the Rolling 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:41.200 Stones and Fleetwood Matt. 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.360 But did he let you know that he wanted this 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:49.600 utopian poster group of white gerummer, white keyboard player in 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:51.320 the basically. 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.720 Not in the beginning with Mac and we were looking 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:56.480 for identities and costumes and we were out with Rick 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.160 and you know, it was it was, you know, pretty 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:03.240 chaotic as far was getting to the revolution, as far 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:06.439 as the whole concept. But it's also the look like 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:09.320 between Meet the Beatles and Abbey Road. I mean, there's 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.680 a lot of things that go into that. The success 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:17.199 breeds more creativity, but there was an identity search, you know, 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:21.440 by him in the beginning, you know, the early. 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:23.560 Costumes. 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.080 You know, we're, for lack of a better word, you know, 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.119 we're not formed. And then of course the fat, the 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:30.200 bikini briefs, and. 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:33.000 The Okay, so I kind of want to skip to 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:38.240 the point where you guys are now professionally hired. I'll 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:42.439 say that the one thing that I witnessed that I 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:48.280 now know is key and important is the only because 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:51.080 you know, I'm like one of those collectors that really 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.640 gets off on the process of how it gets done, 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:57.399 not the final product. But I know that you guys 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:03.640 have put in endless hours of preparation before you even 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:07.119 hit a stage. Just the amount of times that like 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.840 when you hear the word body heat be flat, like, 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:14.840 does it like sen me to hysterics, Like because he'll 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.840 just yell it at the most hitting opportunity time and 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:23.280 you guys are like instantly there. I mean, I don't 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:24.639 want to go to the point where you guys are 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:27.800 already a perfective machine, like around eighty three eighty four, 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.879 But just in the beginning, at what point did you 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:34.919 realize that, oh god, he really wants to do this 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:38.800 a twentieth take or till four in the morning, or 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:42.679 you know, oh so all of sound check is going 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:44.840 to go right before the show. 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.320 I'll let them answer. Mark and Matt get to that. 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.560 But I'll just tell you I was already on that clock, 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:53.159 you know, because I had started so early that I 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:55.359 already knew that it was. You know, we were jamming 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:58.000 until dawn. It was already like that from day one. 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:01.520 So even in the beginning before you guys down the 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:05.640 would move on furniture out, jam put the furniture back, 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:07.800 and they would open at eight nine am, and we 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:11.760 would be done at six. Wow. Not that I think 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:14.720 he would know about the ten thousand hour perfection rule, 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:18.439 but do you just think that for him, playing was 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:23.359 much more better than socializing or just playing with his life. 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.760 Yeah, when I came in, I was so stunned because 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:29.520 I mean I had a pretty busy schedule, you know. 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.240 I was in high school, got out at three point thirty, 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:36.760 had a job from four to nine thirty at the 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:37.600 pancake house. 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:41.040 That's where I met him, actually cooked in. 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:58.159 That he was he was I was a young guy. 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:01.880 That's that's you got yourself. 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:05.280 But you know, from nine from I got off at 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:07.960 nine thirty, I headed over to the North Minneapolis to 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:11.600 the community Center. I rehearsed till one, so from about 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:14.320 ten to one. That's what I was used to when 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:16.959 I got in the band. We'd start at ten am. 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:21.560 We'd be on a jam, one groove till correct me 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:24.159 if I'm wrong, three four o'clock in the afternoon. 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:24.040 Trust me. 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:26.639 I would get a sandwich. 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:27.479 Playing my bass. 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:29.720 I'd be in the kitchen area opening up, making the 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:33.399 sandwich one handed and playing with one hand because the 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:35.240 groove couldn't start if you stopped the groove. 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:36.760 He's gonna be looking at you. 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:40.440 Really. Yeah, no lunch breaks or anything like that. Yeah, 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:41.479 he was a driver. 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:43.000 Man, That dude was a driver. 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:45.520 When y'all with jam like that? Would he use those 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:48.680 as like bassis for songs? Like would songs be born? 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:52.040 Kind of in the moment that bault is probably packed. 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:55.640 We jammed all the time, Susan Rogers. 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:58.840 Which is he'd be like rollo tapes yea, and he 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:01.359 would just listen to it on I just pull stuff 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:03.240 out of it during mine came out of stuff like 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:06.440 that with Matt just jamming on something and come out 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:06.920 of the house. 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:10.200 And you could tell that story. That's that's so weird 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:13.200 because now I'll say in the early days of the roots, 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:15.720 like we would jam that relentless. But then once I 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:20.919 discovered like, oh, I could just loop this because Daike 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:24.000 would like write in real time, like as we were jamming, 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:25.920 like four hours later, I'm like, all right, dude, we 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:30.399 play the same loop like wasted. Just listen to this 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.560 loop and then Tarik will use that as a basis, 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:38.560 But do that in real time? Is the word loop was? 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:39.040 You know? 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:42.159 Was was a limb pattern and there was no you know, 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:48.240 everything was pioneered. The drum machine arrived. I walked into 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:51.959 a rehearsal and Eden Prairie and but I heard Private 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:54.280 Joy when he recorded it. That was I think one 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:58.920 of the first lum one tracks. And and he looked 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:00.560 at me, he looked at the machine. He looked at me, 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:02.560 didn't say anything. He's looking at them, you know, he 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:06.120 just give me that smile. It's kind of like yeah. 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:09.480 And so I walked into rehearsal and the thing was 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:11.400 blasting away, and I went right up to Steve farn 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:15.119 Only and I felt like a union auto worker or something, 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:18.359 and be all drummers everywhere in the history of all drummers. 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:21.280 This thing is evil. You know, He's a Mustard with 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:23.200 the machine, and he. 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:25.080 Gave me the best advice I ever got. He looks 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:29.600 at me and goes, it's here, learn how to use it. 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:34.280 That's what we did, and we had to created Don Batts, 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:35.640 who's working on. 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:39.439 Our crew in our recent shows. You know, he created 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:40.640 an interface with. 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:45.960 Guitar pickups that we're using for acoustic guitar interfaced with 0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:50.040 this spaghetti thing that they created to interface with the 0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:51.959 outs of the limb to trigger pads. 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:54.560 Nobody even had that. Yeah, I want to say, you, 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:58.840 did you guys invent at least create? Did you? 0:22:58.920 --> 0:22:59.240 Guys? 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:02.359 Don was a genius, Don Bout a genius, and he 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:05.360 and Prince staid, you know, I want him to play pads, 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:08.119 and Donald was like, I have an idea, but you 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:10.840 know it was a jalopi at best. I mean, it 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:13.280 would just kind of run and then work. And then 0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:15.679 you know, when we did the American Musical Awards, the 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:18.560 fact that it didn't double trigger was was you know, 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:20.280 because the double trigger it was your fault. 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:22.879 It's not it was always your fault. Was a machine. 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:26.160 I was going to ask you, all right, maybe I've 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:31.280 used it three times in my life. And we started 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:35.399 using Indians because the vibration of the monitors on stage 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:40.119 and the base would offset the drum set right. And 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:43.000 I mean of the hundreds of hours I've watched, I 0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:46.040 mean I've watched concerts just to see how you react 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:49.200 to stuff, to queues and all that stuff. Has there 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:52.399 ever been a faux pile like, oh, I don't have 0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:57.479 a job tomorrow, Like oh, like twenty five times? I mean, 0:23:57.560 --> 0:23:59.639 has water ever spilled doing it? Has a machine just 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:00.280 got off? 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:05.160 First of all, maybe I'm a star turn into Simon says, 0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:07.720 So he's hiding his stop on the one. 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:10.880 Mark had to relay them to me because. 0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:14.960 He would sell, he would go, he would just lose 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:16.359 himself or do it on purpose. 0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:18.359 I never really knew, you know, it was like is 0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:20.440 he just messing with us? 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:23.040 Or he would just go way over the way to 0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:25.040 the corner over there, right, and then he'd look at 0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:28.400 Mark and goes stop on the money, I can't see. 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:31.760 Well, yeah, they would go, you know. Yeah. 0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:35.320 Besides that, though, the biggest problem was he would hold 0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:37.720 his hands up, fingers up in the air to give 0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:39.439 us how many horn punches? 0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:40.840 And then it would if you if. 0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:44.200 You saw it sideways like that, You're like, you couldn't 0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:46.320 see how many, and then you know, he could tell 0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:48.480 if you weren't playing, if you were like, well, no, 0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:53.880 because I didn't see how many. You know, there's one. 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:59.239 There's ones where Bill and I just discovered, h was it? 0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:03.760 And New England somewhere Oh, the Worchester mass Show. Yeah, 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:08.679 we yell from one hundred. That's that's Atlanta. There's one. 0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:12.240 Oh, but there's one in Boston where I think you, Bobby, 0:25:12.280 --> 0:25:13.520 I think you actually played. 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:16.080 A little bit. Yeah, he did five extra Well, yeah, 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:20.720 it was no. The show was so loose, it was 0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:23.760 doing possessed. The show was so loose that he actually said, Okay, 0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:25.919 I'm gonna get you, and I'm gonna get you, and 0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:28.119 I know I'm gonna get you, and I'm and I'm like, 0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:31.479 wait a minute, who challenges his band to mess up 0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:33.040 an actual show? You know? 0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:37.520 Yeah, well I'll slay one more technical glitch that used 0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:38.439 to take place for me. 0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:39.320 Uh. 0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:43.960 We were using the first what are called MIDI Musical 0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:48.280 Instrument Digital Interface switchers for the keyboards, you. 0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:48.800 Know, racks. 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:51.440 We'd have like racks of sounds and if you were 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:54.400 making a program change in the middle of your song, 0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:57.440 and there would be sometimes several If you were holding 0:25:57.480 --> 0:26:01.359 down notes or a stain pedal and you made a 0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:05.320 program change, the whole thing would just lock up and 0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:07.760 and whatever chord you were playing would keep playing and 0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:10.560 you couldn't shut it off. So if you'd be sitting 0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:11.760 there in the middle of the song and just be. 0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:14.680 I'm doing this, and. 0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:16.680 Then we'd have to hit the panic button or the 0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:19.000 keyboard tech would have to run over and hit the 0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:20.840 panic and make it shut up. But then you had 0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:23.360 like nothing, and it was a big it was a nightmare. 0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:26.600 So you had to time your your switches really, you know, 0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:30.359 really quickly, you just right split second stuff because it 0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:32.359 didn't the technology hadn't caught up. 0:26:32.359 --> 0:26:35.840 Quite yet with technology. Yeah. 0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:37.760 So then so one one day I get called in 0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:39.880 the dressing room after the show after one of those 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:45.800 problems happened, and Prince goes, what what happened during that song? 0:26:46.240 --> 0:26:49.280 And I go, well, there's a technical issue and nothing 0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:51.800 I can do about it, And he goes, all I 0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:53.919 could say was I can't have that in my show. 0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:55.920 And that was it. And I'm saying, well, I don't 0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:58.400 know what else today we got this technical limitation. I'll 0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:00.320 do my bed and then you just have to work 0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:00.639 with it. 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:02.280 You know, one thing, what was it? 0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:04.320 What happened on any song? 0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:06.080 It could happen any song, It didn't matter. 0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:07.680 That's what I liked about him though. 0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:08.840 Yeah, but he was okay. 0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:13.280 There was a work ethic that he plays that we're not. 0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:17.440 We would never get anywhere else he put. He trained us. 0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:21.040 We were like battle ready at any time. 0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:24.800 That's why we could leave for twenty five years not 0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:25.560 see each other. 0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:28.360 When we came back together and we hit the room, 0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:30.960 it was we all just looked at each other and 0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:35.000 started laughing because the energy, the power, everything was still there, 0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:35.640 and there was. 0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:38.120 This sound that is so distinct. 0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:40.639 I played with many bands since I left this band, 0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:45.359 but nothing, there's nothing like it. I don't know why, 0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:49.399 but there's a chemistry that we have that he developed 0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:49.800 with us. 0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:52.360 It just it's there. It's prevalent. 0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:56.600 Was he always the first to arrive? No? Was he 0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:02.560 great thirty years? No? 0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:05.480 We waited, man, I mean, first of all, going back 0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:07.520 to the again, you know, I see. 0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:08.680 I thought he was the first new riding in the 0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:09.520 last leave. 0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:11.800 Like we Wendy's story, you know what she told our 0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:14.439 recent shows about the freezing cold purple ran and his 0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:16.320 advice to you know, start your car and let it 0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:19.000 run for three hours when we did the Capri Theater 0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.479 and it was just I drove them over and rusted 0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:24.359 out pinto station wagon. 0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:24.719 You know. 0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:27.000 He he just said, I want to put gas in 0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:30.560 your car, run all day because he didn't want it 0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:31.160 to get cold. 0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:33.000 He just wanted to make sure that was warm. It 0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:37.240 was so it was really I hear these over exaggerating, 0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:42.200 like it gets we can give you. You know, Siberia 0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:47.000 and Minneapour is kind of connected really if. 0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:48.880 You look at the globe on the top. But yeah, 0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:51.640 I mean it gets, it gets. It's just it gets 0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:54.960 purple here on the weather map. But you know, I 0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:56.720 just want to go back to the show. On top 0:28:56.800 --> 0:29:01.080 of all that stuff, there was audibles four or five, 0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:06.840 maybe six audibles that I have a tape called ice Cream, 0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:09.800 which is a fifty nine minute jam which is just 0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:12.680 working on the sixteen bars of ice cream. 0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:13.800 We got it all right. 0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:17.480 Let me explain though, when he's when he gets to 0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:21.680 confusion at the end of the fifty nine minutes, that 0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:25.800 means we had just done that for confusion a month 0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:28.400 or a week earlier where we spent one hundred hours 0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:31.920 figuring out these audibles. The audibles were extra hard to see. 0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:35.360 They were a sleight of hand. There were a stomp 0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:39.880 on the foot, they were, you know, a stripper butt move. 0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:42.960 They were just all kinds of things that you had 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:43.560 to watch. 0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:44.920 Remember the napkin drop. 0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:50.120 The napkin dropped, you had to hit when it hit, damn. 0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:54.000 It still keep the pace. But and it was fans 0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:56.880 blowing everywhere. So the thing was kind of like being 0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:58.040 on a journey on the. 0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:01.400 Way down and watching he had Alan Lee's on the 0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:07.200 side of the stage just wait God, and. 0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:09.680 You know he goes, Bobby see two hundred dollars. When 0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:12.800 the fans are going, It's like I just got fired. 0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:16.680 Those fines were real. They were real. 0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:18.880 It all depends what kind of Yeah, they were real, 0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:21.400 but it all depends what kind of mistake if he remembered. 0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:23.240 There was two kinds of mistakes, whether he was in 0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:25.680 the spotlight or not in the spotlight. If he was 0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:29.360 not in the spotlight changing over here and he heard it, 0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:33.360 you could sometimes hear him laugh at you. But if 0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:35.040 he was in the spotlight. 0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:36.640 And you missed something, it was usually a two hundred 0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:37.520 dollars now. 0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:42.240 Yikes, I remember I lost twelve hundred. 0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:45.800 I just couldn't figure stuff out. Yeah, brain Free had 0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:46.360 a new song. 0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:47.760 Yeah, you get a brand new. 0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:49.920 Song every day. Set changes every day. On top of 0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:53.400 everything else, is he was bored to dad. So here's 0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:55.200 a question for you guys. You mentioned that new song. 0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:56.840 So how long would he give you guys to learn 0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:58.840 a new song soundtrack? 0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:00.200 Why? 0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:03.080 I developed the rumble tank rumble technique on the base 0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:06.040 because I got tired of getting fine. 0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:09.880 So I started going, you know, in the beat with 0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:11.600 the drummer, and I started. 0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:18.560 Doing being like yeah, that's so weird because I'm thinking 0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:26.880 like held just trying to get through, like like a 0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:30.360 play that's broken play. And he loved it. He loved it. 0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:33.560 I mean when he hear that, yeah, that was like 0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:35.880 like okay, just. 0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:39.640 Rumbling and then we start a whole new song like that. 0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:41.440 You know, most of the stuff I play, if you 0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:43.840 listen on stage, ain't no notes. 0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:54.200 I know, Like that's amazing. 0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:57.800 I feel I can do spins and foot back flips. 0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:03.320 I can't believe, like I'm thinking like this is this 0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:06.440 is a new technilo. Because I tell my player Mark 0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:11.320 to do the same thing, like, listen, you're stolid, so 0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:16.960 U think while I have you So you're saying that 0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:20.560 at no point where you I mean, this is in 0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:23.480 the early dayes. Of course, the technology was not invented 0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:25.680 for perfection. 0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:28.240 Yet it was not the glitchy you know, things could 0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:28.920 be glitch. 0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:32.200 So every night that that when doves cry, solo had 0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:41.080 to be spot on and and and just how like 0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:48.680 well like when you heard it, you just thought like, oh, okay, 0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:53.800 like how would you he said decide he would decide for. 0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:56.480 You or not always. But I know when I first 0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:58.280 heard that solo, I was scared out of my. 0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:00.560 Well. 0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:04.600 There was a studio technique he used to create it was. 0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:08.040 That that wasn't it was too it was too quantized. No, 0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:08.640 not exactly. 0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:11.920 He never say yeah. 0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:19.640 There's I'm not supposed to tell that killing. 0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:27.920 No, I told his story before, but he played. But 0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:30.720 he could play that if he really wanted to. He's capable. 0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:33.960 But he could, I mean in real time he could have. 0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:36.560 But been in the studio. He used it to write 0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:38.440 it so he could really perfect it and write it 0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:40.560 just the way he wanted it, and then sped it 0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:43.320 back up again. So then I had to of course 0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:46.360 cop that solo and play it live. 0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:46.720 Yeah. 0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:48.720 Yeah, And then of course it's just his problem, like 0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:51.800 Darling Nikki, like all photography. You know, it looks like 0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:56.160 one day, okay, Darling Nikki three four, and I'm just 0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:58.400 sitting there going, how are we going to do that? 0:33:58.840 --> 0:33:59.880 You know on the records. 0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:02.240 So it was like double kick drum next day, and 0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:04.480 it's like, well, that's not gonna work. So I figured 0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:07.680 out He said, all right, well you got to indite 0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:08.359 to figure it out. 0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:11.880 It's on you. And I'm like, how am I going 0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:14.959 to recreate Darling Nikki live? So when he just calls 0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:18.480 us songs of random, all the stuff is preprogrammed in 0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:21.040 your lin drum depends on the song. Some are live drum, 0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:23.200 some are played. So this is beautiful ones, you know 0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:25.280 automatically that's nine program nine. 0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:28.440 Or like right, but you're jumping way ahead. When we 0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:30.960 were rehearsing for the Purple Raine tour, the record is 0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:36.120 like this this you know, creative, overlayered, amazing thing. But 0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:38.760 to do it live, all these parts like he's talking 0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:42.480 about that, Matt was saying, there's tricks to everything he did. 0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:45.759 I mean he meticulously you know, whether it was us 0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:48.480 playing or him playing would kind of you know get it. 0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:51.520 You know, he was set up in Sunset Sound. He 0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:54.239 was just the wizard there and he was just completely 0:34:54.520 --> 0:34:55.040 you know, just. 0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:58.239 Just did you have those flans effects on your one 0:34:58.280 --> 0:34:59.080 your lin drum? 0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:01.440 And yeah, we were on through petals, you know, through 0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:04.360 you know, just boss delays and stuff and you know, 0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:06.200 just getting that's where all the loops. 0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:07.520 There wasn't anything like that. 0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:11.720 So Mountains is just the limb through all these boss 0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:14.799 delays into the you know, so everything was was new. 0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:20.400 But you know, he the technology was, as we discussed earlier, 0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:23.160 it was being developed and techniques. So like Darling Nicky, 0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:26.240 is that that double kicked room where he's just against 0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:29.120 his the other track, he's just going with his fingers. 0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:31.239 He could play with his fingers on that thing. I 0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:35.960 mean he could just go, I mean the buttons and 0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:41.320 he was just perfect. Everybody goes, okay, let's do Darling. 0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:44.120 Nicky and it's just like okay, okay, so you know 0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:46.480 then I'm gonna be fired. The final show up and 0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:48.680 I say it took the Box home, and me and 0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:50.040 the Box had that come. 0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:50.919 To Jesus moment. 0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:55.279 We really just kind of really got I just said, well, 0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:57.920 I'll just do this program going with a visual light 0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:06.680 and then get to the program data right, data. So 0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:11.000 during data I had to switch patterns. I had the 0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:15.200 one actually data, but and then I just. 0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:19.440 Go to and then it looks at me. So then 0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:21.080 I did I did it like he did it, which 0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:25.840 was the big kick from softer pad right. So I 0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:27.600 had a technique and then he came back to he goes, 0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:29.720 nice job, let me fix something. 0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:32.439 And then he puts them both on the loud kick. 0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:35.439 So when people heard it, stuff and the whole place 0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:41.080 was a kick drum. There's yeah, that's what I want. 0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:44.520 It's like it was just weird things. Well you know, 0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:47.399 and I would die for you to speak. 0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:52.040 Getting back to Don Batts, he added MIDI to the 0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:55.800 lin so that we could connect it to my synthesizer 0:36:56.360 --> 0:37:00.000 and have the bass part play sequenced through the whole 0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:03.880 I was going to ask, how who handled you know 0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:06.600 that whole thing, But it was in the studio. Prince 0:37:06.800 --> 0:37:11.040 actually played that manually through the whole song. It was 0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:11.880 not sequenced. 0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:13.400 It was him on the. 0:37:13.640 --> 0:37:17.920 Overhind like he's talking about on the drum machine doing that. 0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:20.600 He did it in the studio and created that tight 0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:23.200 through the entire song perfect. 0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:26.520 It was many times you just felt like that's a 0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:36.000 musician and you're not. Many times Okay, so I kind 0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:38.120 of have to know, and I know everyone has like 0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:41.800 these Purple Rain questions, but surely life had to have 0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:46.000 been there must have been a sea change leading up 0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:49.359 to Purple Rain and then life after Purple Rain. I mean, 0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:52.800 did you guys took the Rolling Stones to Purple Radio? 0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:57.880 That was similar as you brought that up. What was 0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:02.640 could you describe the the the Rolling Stone La incident? Well, 0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:04.719 I want Mark to speak to that because that was 0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:09.719 just the first time on stage. Wow. 0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:13.719 Yeah, that was pretty interesting because I was scared to death. 0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:16.799 I'm sitting there, but I knew the Rolling Stone, see 0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:19.160 you know, I knew that was rock and roll, bikers, 0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:21.160 Hell's angels. 0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:22.879 You know, And I was like, how is this gonna work? 0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:27.160 We sing it head jerky Jack you off. 0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:29.719 I'm like, this is gonna be interesting. I think we're 0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:34.440 going to be dead after this. You're right, man, I'm 0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:36.439 telling you. We hit that stage and it just looked 0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:37.280 like cattle. 0:38:37.440 --> 0:38:41.759 Have you guys heard the tape? Yeah? It sounds good, 0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:43.840 but there's a guy. There's one tape I heard with 0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:46.880 the guy. Yeah, I look at that. Whoa, they just 0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:47.520 threw something. 0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:47.799 Whoa. 0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:50.880 Yeah, you're not gonna last or something. But but it 0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:53.799 started with an orange that hit. 0:38:53.800 --> 0:39:04.239 His got stuck on the keys, the tuning keys. So 0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:05.239 I was so out of tune. 0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:07.320 I didn't even know how to tune a thing, you know, 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:09.120 And so we're playing what song? 0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:13.400 Is that something? No, it was we came out of 0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:14.200 the game with Bambi. 0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:16.239 Yeah, it was why you want to cheat me so bad? 0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:18.200 I think? And I was way out of tune. Basse 0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:19.000 was out of tune. 0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:22.880 And I saw Jack Daniels bottle came up on the stage. 0:39:23.040 --> 0:39:24.879 Yeah, crash his head. 0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:27.680 He he just ducked his head in an empty Jack 0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:31.200 Daniels I just went like right, crash against the drum riser. 0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:33.440 And then I looked at Lisa. And then when I 0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:38.680 was looking at Lisa, things started coming like projectile incoming. 0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:42.080 I got hit with a bag of chicken. I don't know. 0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:44.560 I mean, it's like second way taking around to me. 0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:47.480 The second thing right, like you did know what was coming. 0:39:48.200 --> 0:39:51.719 The second night they brought stuffed them from Yeah. The 0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:53.680 first night it was like are they do. They hate 0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:53.960 us that. 0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:56.000 Much that they you know, they're just throwing their lunch 0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:59.760 at us. I mean, it's like where were these objects 0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:00.399 come went from? 0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:03.080 It was just like you can bring one to Rolling Stones. 0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:05.520 I mean that's what I mean. It's like, you know 0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:06.560 what it's like. 0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:09.040 It was just a but like Mark said, so it 0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:12.120 was like bikers and you know it's the Stones, but 0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:15.000 they were The doors were at six in the morning 0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:18.920 at the at the Rose ball it was the coliseum coliseum, 0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:21.680 and so they were there all day and then we 0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:23.320 went on it two in the afternoon. 0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:26.279 So it was like an all day Rolling Stones festival. Yeah, 0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:32.439 and j Giles and George Yeah, you guys were first. Yeah, 0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:35.200 we were meeting and yeah, we were just raw meat. 0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:37.920 So then so you say the stadium was school by 0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:41.960 then because yeah, and my physician like it's always influent 0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:44.719 like when we do, like Dave Matthews was twelve people. 0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:46.320 There were a lot of people. 0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:50.480 There was at least you know, after sixty sixty thousand, 0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:52.360 it was a ninety thousand seat venue. 0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:55.400 Yeah, I just remember it looked like cattle and they 0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:58.319 had the fire hoses and they're spraying people down. 0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:00.719 Yeah, it was crazy and then there was a food fight. 0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:02.840 There was an actual food. 0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:08.759 Amongst themselves, like clouds just clouds. Yeah, so that was 0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:11.920 like the wrap show of the Yeah. But you know 0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:15.480 what you never hear about this. One thing I just 0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:15.880 want to. 0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:19.439 Say is that that later on during the Stone set, 0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:25.279 they actually threw must have been two dozen pairs of shoes. 0:41:25.080 --> 0:41:26.520 Up on ye love. 0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:30.680 When you think it was out of love they rescue, 0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:34.160 this was yeah, one was love one waste. 0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:37.120 Why were they throwing shoes though to get pick to 0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:38.920 pick it up? You know, just it was you know 0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:41.480 this they were aiming at our head. I know they 0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:43.040 were throwing nicely. 0:41:44.280 --> 0:41:46.600 I just thought it was odd that they shoes up 0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:49.320 there on stage at him. And then of course he 0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:51.560 just said, you know, I'm not a fing door Matt 0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:52.520 back to the audience. 0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:55.480 I mean, wait, you stayed to watch the show? Oh yeah, sure, 0:41:56.320 --> 0:42:00.920 Prince like literally he left too. I was going and 0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:04.040 went to Minnesota and had to call him. Mick and 0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:07.399 Dez said to call him, and and and and now 0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:11.480 with that without the technology like it's I don't I. 0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:14.880 Think it's like both on a phone technology back in 0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:17.399 the day where you used to both kind of put 0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:20.400 the phone up and both listen to the phone and 0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:23.440 and Mick, you know, was with with Dez and I 0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:27.319 know the management and but the story I remember most 0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:30.640 is that he had had enough and we couldn't end 0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:35.560 songs without his cues. So when he left, we left 0:42:36.080 --> 0:42:40.200 and he went down and he walked up the we 0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:42.719 we're playing and he's walking back up the big red 0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:46.360 carpet with the stones villages, and I see Bill Graham 0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:50.000 at the legendary promoter, like tear after him and say 0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:53.279 a few things and expressions. Who knows what he said, 0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:55.359 you know, the classic you'll ever work in this town 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:58.000 again or whatever he said, and he just turned around 0:42:58.040 --> 0:43:00.680 and came back into the song, got on a. 0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:02.799 Plane, went to Minnesota. Mix. 0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:06.040 Do you want me to talk to the crowd, you know, 0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:09.120 because Charlie and Bill came back and they were great. 0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:09.719 You know, they were. 0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:12.760 Apologetic, apologetic, and you know that you know, our fans 0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:15.520 are routing stuff and they were apologetic or mixing the Prince, 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:17.680 do you want me to say something to the crowd 0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:20.160 that I wanted you? You know, Mick was the reason 0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:22.120 why we did it. He loved Dirty Mind so much. 0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:25.239 And Prince said, I don't need my mom to go 0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:28.239 up there and tell anybody anything, you know, so he 0:43:28.880 --> 0:43:29.719 he he. 0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:31.400 He was indignant about. 0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:33.759 It, and but he came back, and that dressing room 0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:38.960 before the second was the most tense, thick air I 0:43:39.120 --> 0:43:42.040 ever had with him in all the years. That moment 0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:45.839 before the second Rolling Stone show was just we're gonna die. 0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:51.120 Yeah, well, I got hit. 0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:52.560 In the head, remember the limbo. 0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:55.360 Prince almost got hit with glass. 0:43:56.120 --> 0:43:56.799 But then we go ahead. 0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:59.279 I just remembering the limo when we were leaving because 0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:01.239 I got out of there, and I remember he said 0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:04.200 he was so embarrassed, I think because that was my 0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:08.759 first show. Yeah he was, Yeah, he said, he says, Mark, 0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:11.840 it ain't like this, And I said, well, I said, friends, 0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:12.680 that's the Stones, and. 0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:14.480 You don't have to talk to me. I know how 0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:17.160 rowdy they get. And he says, no, no, you don't understand. 0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:21.239 When we hit our first show, you're going to see 0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:24.400 my audience. And he says, it's night and day from this. 0:44:25.280 --> 0:44:27.120 And I didn't know what to think of that, you know, 0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:30.520 because I haven't seen anything I come from the Chitlin circuit. 0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:33.160 So was he the same after that or was it 0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:36.319 like even more into title I usually talked to him 0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:39.279 at least every third or fourth day. I didn't talk 0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:42.239 to him for about him four weeks and he was 0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:45.080 just in the in the Purple House which became the 0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:47.920 Purple House later, but on Lake Riley, and he was 0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:50.239 down in the studio. And then he called me one 0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:51.680 day and he said, I want you to put some 0:44:51.960 --> 0:44:55.879 you know, the syndromes on a song. And we put 0:44:56.080 --> 0:44:58.920 syndrums on nineteen ninety nine and little word Corvette. And 0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:02.680 I was excited that, you know, he was in good 0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:06.840 spirits and he was ready to you know. Then we 0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:10.000 kind of went down south where it was safe and 0:45:10.239 --> 0:45:18.280 just and played and played and played gainst the rolling stars. 0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:24.719 It was food. We went back to find the love. 0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:28.719 You know, that is weird, you think, like a show 0:45:28.760 --> 0:45:30.640 in l A Like to me, that's like the best 0:45:30.680 --> 0:45:31.160 thing in the world. 0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:35.160 We man, we did Pittsburgh, We did the Stanley Theater. 0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:38.840 That was my first real Prince Frinch audience. 0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:40.120 And I'll never. 0:45:40.080 --> 0:45:42.640 Forget the love was different. It was, oh man, this 0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:46.120 is not so South. But we went to find the loves. 0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:48.600 But you know, eventually Atlanta, and you know, I mean 0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:51.040 Atlanta was another you know, Fox theater. 0:45:51.920 --> 0:45:53.759 You know, we just we did it. 0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:58.160 Whatever happened, he figured out who his audience was and 0:45:58.280 --> 0:46:01.480 it certainly became the Stones audience later. 0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:03.480 It just you know, he learned from all that. 0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:06.920 But the physical I mean it was definitely you know, 0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:09.759 this is like professional baseball football, you know, you know that, 0:46:10.000 --> 0:46:13.400 and we're at that standard. That was a loss and 0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:16.120 there was many w's to come, but you know, that 0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:18.680 was a big you know, forty one to nothing beat it. 0:46:19.000 --> 0:46:21.360 I almost think that maybe it's a good thing you 0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:24.839 guys went through that too. In my head, I was like, Okay, 0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:25.520 that's going to make. 0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:27.760 A stronger, more determined totally. 0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:30.239 That's what you had to go through that. I've never 0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:33.640 cried before, I mean like that. I mean it was terrible. 0:46:33.800 --> 0:46:36.360 I mean it was just really traumatic, to tell you 0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:36.799 the truth. 0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:40.200 Yeah, oh yeah, I was actually pretty shocked at what 0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:41.640 happened because I didn't. 0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:46.200 Come to it. We're you excited, like, yeah, that was 0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:47.680 a dream? Are you kidding me? 0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:49.520 It was like amazing, I. 0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:52.880 Mean from I mean, you know, the Beatles, Stones and Sullivan, 0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:54.600 you know, the whole thing, and it was like this 0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:56.200 was you know, meet Charlie Watson. 0:46:56.320 --> 0:46:59.600 You know, everything was just but you know, well, so 0:47:00.239 --> 0:47:04.320 someone else and put it to me that and this 0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:07.919 this is like this person's theory on on being born 0:47:07.960 --> 0:47:10.960 in nineteen fifty eight. At least were prints that even 0:47:11.000 --> 0:47:17.360 though Prince was technically a baby boomer, that the audience 0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:20.400 of baby boomer wasn't his audience. That technically he was 0:47:20.480 --> 0:47:23.360 the older brother the generation ex So all the kids 0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:27.200 and the younger siblings of the Rolling Stone audience would 0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:29.720 be Prince's right audience. 0:47:30.120 --> 0:47:35.839 He wrote the Stevie Earthwind and Fire ride was where 0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:39.040 he went earth Wind and Fires audience. Obviously with Kavala Ruffalo, 0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:41.600 they knew how to do that, and earth Wind and 0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:45.399 Fire was had done such incredible you know with Doug 0:47:45.800 --> 0:47:50.719 Henting Magic, earth Wind and Fire really changed everything right, 0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:53.400 and then then you know it was it was just 0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:58.279 crossovers smashes, and that opened up you know us really 0:47:58.320 --> 0:48:01.200 in a way that we could uh kick going, but 0:48:02.080 --> 0:48:04.640 the way we did. But obviously, you know, at the 0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:06.920 midnight special and there was you know, there was a 0:48:07.000 --> 0:48:10.080 lot of TV that didn't go right until Saturday Night 0:48:10.200 --> 0:48:13.400 Live and that went right, and then all of a 0:48:13.400 --> 0:48:16.920 sudden we were, you know, more focused after all that. 0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:19.839 So when things are heating up. During the nineteen ninety 0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:23.480 nine tour, I know that the time was, uh, the 0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:28.360 openness for you guys, what's the folk were really as 0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:31.360 tense as as it was as far as like to 0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:34.520 the where every guys cannot open forest in New York? 0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:37.359 Like were they Was it really that much of a threat? 0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:37.839 Or man? 0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:39.560 I can speak on this. I mean I used to 0:48:39.680 --> 0:48:41.560 have conversations with dude every night. 0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:45.120 I'd be like, friends, these cats are burning it up, 0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:47.680 as that they are burning up the stage. 0:48:47.800 --> 0:48:51.319 Dude, He's like, that only got nothing on us. You watch, 0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:55.879 you watch, And this was every night, and I think 0:48:55.960 --> 0:48:58.200 he started seeing it and it was. 0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:02.280 Like, was it really that? Because even though I've seen tapes, 0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:05.000 I've not seen audience reactions to the time. I think 0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:08.719 there's just no comparison. 0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:09.799 This is what I saw. 0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:12.360 Okay, this is what I saw. Prince was starting to cross. 0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:16.080 Prince was starting to cross. The time was still in 0:49:16.200 --> 0:49:17.440 that that that black audience. 0:49:18.239 --> 0:49:21.799 So that's what you saw, But that was the whole goal, like, Okay, 0:49:22.320 --> 0:49:24.759 this is me as the black group, and this is 0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:26.040 me you know exactly. 0:49:26.160 --> 0:49:27.839 I thought he wanted that, but he did. 0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:31.120 But the audience, you know, they come from the hood. 0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:34.280 They the time was like oh what the bird and everything, 0:49:34.320 --> 0:49:37.920 and so we were going more rock and roll, and so, 0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:40.920 you know, they are certain songs like let's work. You know, 0:49:41.360 --> 0:49:44.960 we would play certain songs because we had to. But 0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:48.160 he really wanted to do the little red corvettes. In 0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:50.200 the nineteen ninety he was changing. 0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:52.400 So there were points where the audience just wanted to 0:49:52.800 --> 0:49:55.600 like okay, okay, they're doing let me sit down. 0:49:55.680 --> 0:49:58.560 And it got tight. You could really see the shift. 0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:02.759 And that's when and he took them off the tour and. 0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:05.759 He had to. He had to. He had to. He 0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:09.120 had to, in my opinion, that's just my opinion, because 0:50:09.320 --> 0:50:11.759 he took them off in a market that my my 0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:14.600 relatives never got to see him, which was New York, 0:50:14.800 --> 0:50:19.440 and they were heated because they thought like we never 0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:21.400 got to see the time in their prime, like doing that, 0:50:22.080 --> 0:50:24.560 doing that, doing that period. So it was really tense. 0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:26.800 But the tension. 0:50:28.680 --> 0:50:32.160 At the end of the tour became really bad to 0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:36.320 the point where it was real. The food fight ensued, 0:50:36.440 --> 0:50:37.800 so I was just weird. 0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:45.400 Food fight. It's another show, but it was insane. 0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:47.920 So I'm standing at the stairwell in New Orleans at 0:50:47.920 --> 0:50:50.799 the Stanley Theater in New Orleans, and all of a sudden, 0:50:50.880 --> 0:50:52.919 Jerome looks at me with an orange in his hand 0:50:53.040 --> 0:50:53.439 and then. 0:50:53.440 --> 0:50:54.520 Just helps up. 0:50:56.280 --> 0:50:58.319 I have a light colored suito and I walked back 0:50:59.080 --> 0:51:01.240 dressing room and Prince, I mean, he says, what happened 0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:01.400 to you? 0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:04.160 I said, Jerome to sent me with an orange? And 0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:07.279 he went what? And it was like I just thought 0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:10.560 nothing of it. And to him that was like Pearl 0:51:10.680 --> 0:51:16.799 Harbor shot, first shot been fire, and it. 0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:20.680 Was like he got so enraged that it just all 0:51:20.760 --> 0:51:24.719 I can tell you is is it turned into two 0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:31.840 days of complete chaos. Hotel rooms trashed. Uh, Jesse Johnson 0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:33.120 is a prisoner of war. 0:51:33.880 --> 0:51:35.279 It'll be a shamed the. 0:51:35.320 --> 0:51:41.360 Witch handcuff handcuffed to a cobra who had handcuffs. 0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:44.919 Chick. 0:51:47.360 --> 0:51:51.279 Chick had everything, brass, nuggles and guns, whatever you want, 0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:54.160 you know, was actually part of this as well. Yeah, 0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:57.680 Chick was there. Got Jesse Johnson, picked him physically up, 0:51:57.840 --> 0:51:59.759 carried him in the room and handcuffed him to. 0:51:59.760 --> 0:52:04.440 The because he was threatening Prince, you verbally threatening him, 0:52:04.520 --> 0:52:05.200 you know, Yeah. 0:52:05.320 --> 0:52:07.719 Jesse was so he didn't gonna kill you. Never saw them, 0:52:07.880 --> 0:52:11.160 so we had a room manager, nam Hewett. At that 0:52:11.320 --> 0:52:13.360 point he sent him out to the store camera with 0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:16.960 maple syrup and eggs and tooth based and Justin Johnson's 0:52:17.000 --> 0:52:20.920 being interrogated and they're probably maple syrup over his head 0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:23.319 while he's chained up and they're putting tooth based on him, 0:52:23.560 --> 0:52:25.440 and the time is hearing them that kind. 0:52:25.320 --> 0:52:31.400 Of prisoner in there. And so Jesse, jam and Lewis. 0:52:31.200 --> 0:52:33.360 Show up at the end of our set with shields 0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:35.000 and hefty bags suits. 0:52:35.040 --> 0:52:37.680 They made suits out of hefty bags with shower cats 0:52:37.719 --> 0:52:40.760 and they had eggs. So we were on the audience 0:52:41.239 --> 0:52:46.840 in the show they have no stage. Yeah, it was 0:52:46.920 --> 0:52:50.480 having it all through sound check on stage. Jesse Johnson 0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:53.320 was captured on stage. He was bagged on stage and 0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:59.600 dragged off. Jerome was during the show, during their show, 0:52:59.680 --> 0:53:00.960 and then the rule was the time. 0:53:03.320 --> 0:53:06.040 Okay, so the time couldn't touch us. But Prince, I 0:53:06.120 --> 0:53:08.680 think Prince jumped up there as Jesse or something. They 0:53:08.800 --> 0:53:10.560 captured Jesse. He took him to the room and Prince 0:53:10.640 --> 0:53:12.279 waited for him while they chained him up. And then 0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:16.160 but the end of the story is Jesse breaks free. 0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:20.960 We want coat wrap like a monster. He breaks free. 0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:28.200 Walk and then Prince everybody scatters. We went outside jamming. 0:53:28.239 --> 0:53:30.759 Onis are waiting for us, pelting us with eggs. We run, 0:53:31.080 --> 0:53:33.759 Matt and I run into Roger's room and he's like. 0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:35.000 Going, what the heck's going on? 0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:39.440 Vacing See we're like outside and we just kind of 0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:41.480 He's like looking at him come out into the party. 0:53:41.520 --> 0:53:43.400 So we hide out in Roger's room for a minute. 0:53:43.480 --> 0:53:44.200 We come back out. 0:53:44.239 --> 0:53:47.680 They're still waiting. You know, they've got eggs, they got stuff. 0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:50.080 And then the end of it, Prince had sent Hewett 0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:51.400 out to get pies. 0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:59.280 Wait what Supermark is the late hour the hotel or something, 0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:02.920 and the car pies playing pies came in like in 0:54:02.960 --> 0:54:06.080 a movie and we had a pie fight, pie fight, 0:54:06.320 --> 0:54:08.080 and then but the Prince was done. 0:54:08.280 --> 0:54:10.400 So then he goes, come on, let's call to the hotel. 0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:12.239 He gets the hotel to open up. 0:54:12.280 --> 0:54:14.640 Jesse's room and we're hiding. Lisa and I and Prince 0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:20.080 are in Jesse's room with yellow mustard. Wow, Prince princess 0:54:20.120 --> 0:54:22.840 with yellow princess yellow mustard. 0:54:22.920 --> 0:54:25.239 This is gonna cost a fortune. I don't care. It's 0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:28.520 like putting yellow mustard all over his clothes. And all 0:54:28.520 --> 0:54:29.160 over everything. 0:54:29.480 --> 0:54:32.160 And then when we hear a noise outside and Lisa 0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:34.600 and I are in the closet and it wasn't Justice, 0:54:34.640 --> 0:54:35.560 So then we got out of the room. 0:54:35.600 --> 0:54:38.520 But he's putting yellow mustard on his door. It's a princess. 0:54:38.600 --> 0:54:39.480 I got to pay for this. 0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:44.320 It was like twelve fifteen, twenty thousand dollars in damage. 0:54:45.080 --> 0:54:47.879 Who had to pay for that? Let's m throws TVs out? 0:54:48.000 --> 0:54:50.640 This is nothing the tour. 0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:51.840 The tour paid for it. 0:54:52.000 --> 0:54:55.839 Yeah, So I mean, was there at Kumbaya Mooman at 0:54:55.840 --> 0:54:58.239 the end or was that like the last Prince Time 0:54:58.280 --> 0:55:03.120 show ever? Jam us for out so not really. Me 0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:05.680 and Prince end up sitting in for them, you know 0:55:05.920 --> 0:55:07.480 during the Atlanta Ship stage. 0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:09.719 Yeah, because they were they weren't. 0:55:09.440 --> 0:55:12.960 There, so you guys were playing like backstage stage. 0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:18.399 I hit jams Terry's parks. Prince had jams first. 0:55:19.440 --> 0:55:21.280 It's it's a movie in itself. 0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:25.400 It's just really an amazing story, and uh it was 0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:28.279 war really yep yep yep. 0:55:28.800 --> 0:55:32.040 Well, you know, I just want to thank you guys 0:55:32.200 --> 0:55:34.400 for I mean, I can go on forever and ever 0:55:34.480 --> 0:55:36.680 and ever and ever, but I really really just want 0:55:36.719 --> 0:55:39.959 to thank you guys for uh, everything that you've done 0:55:40.360 --> 0:55:45.240 for music and for you know, for for me personally. 0:55:45.560 --> 0:55:50.440 But ladies and gentlemen, you're you're very I. 0:55:50.520 --> 0:55:53.239 Just want to say thank you for being a disciple, 0:55:53.600 --> 0:55:56.800 and thank you for carrying our torch for us and 0:55:57.080 --> 0:56:00.480 in the love everything you've done to keep our name 0:56:00.520 --> 0:56:01.960 alive and be on our side. 0:56:02.320 --> 0:56:06.959 If we love you. From that, Bobby C. Brown, Mark 0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:09.319 and Doctor place each other, we'll be back. We're more 0:56:09.440 --> 0:56:16.800 Quest Love Supreme and we're broadcasting from Minneapolis, and we 0:56:16.960 --> 0:56:19.960 just wrapped up a great conversation with Mark, Bobby Z 0:56:20.080 --> 0:56:23.160 and Doctor Fink of the Revolution about a crazy food fight. 0:56:23.960 --> 0:56:28.960 I guess normally I would come with a real mushy, heartfelt, 0:56:29.080 --> 0:56:33.080 emotional intro, but based on what we just heard, I 0:56:33.239 --> 0:56:36.560 gotta cut to the chase. Lisa, could you please give 0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:39.920 us your account of the food fight in the Cincinnati 0:56:41.280 --> 0:56:44.120 the Lord. Sure. 0:56:44.360 --> 0:56:46.240 I mean it's such a story. 0:56:46.520 --> 0:56:52.000 I don't know how were you was just all women 0:56:52.080 --> 0:56:53.439 and children and Jesse. 0:56:54.320 --> 0:56:55.719 Yeah, women, children and Jesse. 0:56:58.040 --> 0:57:01.840 Please welcome the uses of all muses of all Now 0:57:01.840 --> 0:57:04.520 no like music just feels like assistance. I feel like 0:57:04.680 --> 0:57:07.440 you guys are really the epicenter that he came to. 0:57:07.680 --> 0:57:19.960 So no more muses ladies and gentlemen. Wendy Melbourne Lisa Coleman. Okay, So, 0:57:20.320 --> 0:57:22.600 I mean there's so many questions that I know you're 0:57:22.720 --> 0:57:26.360 tired of answering and whatnot, but just for formality's sake, 0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:31.760 actually no, there's a lot of your background before you 0:57:32.000 --> 0:57:36.200 even came to Uh, I guess under the Purple umbrella 0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:39.600 that I would like to know about. Both of you 0:57:39.720 --> 0:57:43.240 are first of all from LA correct, yes, okay, so 0:57:43.560 --> 0:57:46.800 how did how did you two meet? Like you two 0:57:46.880 --> 0:57:48.520 were childhood best friends? Correct? 0:57:48.680 --> 0:57:52.680 Yeah, Well, here's the story is pretty interesting where Lisa 0:57:52.680 --> 0:57:56.280 and I are a second generation LA musicians. Our fathers 0:57:56.360 --> 0:58:00.800 were studio cats. That's what they're called, right, They are 0:58:00.880 --> 0:58:01.880 part of the wrecking crew. 0:58:04.200 --> 0:58:05.400 And in the. 0:58:05.440 --> 0:58:09.440 Sixties and the seventies, being a studio musician was really 0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:14.800 a really respectable career. You know, you got your pension 0:58:14.880 --> 0:58:18.720 based on how many sessions you did. So when my 0:58:18.880 --> 0:58:23.160 father and her father, you know, were in their fifties, 0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:26.760 only fifties, and all of those cats were losing their 0:58:26.840 --> 0:58:32.360 gigs to machines and to single room producers, they started 0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:36.720 living off of pensions based on sessions, right, which really 0:58:36.800 --> 0:58:41.600 don't do now. Our families grew up together. We went 0:58:41.640 --> 0:58:44.400 to the same schools together, we had the same doctors, 0:58:44.640 --> 0:58:47.360 we had the same hippie friends, and the parents had 0:58:47.400 --> 0:58:50.280 the same drugs and the same the whole thing, right. 0:58:50.400 --> 0:58:53.479 So there were three kids on Lisa's side, three kids 0:58:53.520 --> 0:58:58.760 on my side, and we grew up together. Growing up 0:58:58.800 --> 0:59:02.080 in that kind of environment, we were very well versed 0:59:02.200 --> 0:59:05.920 with what it's like to be in the business, what 0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:10.920 it's like to be musicians, what the separation between entertainment 0:59:11.120 --> 0:59:12.160 and artistry. 0:59:12.280 --> 0:59:16.080 We knew the difference. So I think being hired by 0:59:16.240 --> 0:59:17.080 Prince that. 0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:19.280 I think that was an asset for him because we 0:59:19.440 --> 0:59:23.560 had a real we had already had a big definition 0:59:23.680 --> 0:59:27.040 of that in our own personalities by the time, at 0:59:27.160 --> 0:59:31.920 least I joined and Lisa joined, and you know, we 0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:37.240 had bands together with our friend with our siblings. There 0:59:37.320 --> 0:59:43.160 was an unreleased record on A and M. It's it's 0:59:43.760 --> 0:59:49.040 based off of a really horrible food substance, Waldorf Salad. 0:59:53.840 --> 0:59:57.200 It's we all went to a Waldorf school. We all 0:59:57.280 --> 0:59:59.640 went to Highland Hall, which was this Waldorf schools. A 0:59:59.640 --> 1:00:00.720 Stein in her education. 1:00:00.840 --> 1:00:04.320 It's real hippie like you get to crochet and do 1:00:04.440 --> 1:00:07.760 you're with me and make cut me. Yeah, I mean I. 1:00:07.760 --> 1:00:10.040 Remember at the time you're making it like it was 1:00:10.080 --> 1:00:12.080 a lame thing, but at the time was like fun. 1:00:12.280 --> 1:00:16.240 Like the name of the band is lame Waldorf Salad. 1:00:18.160 --> 1:00:21.040 I'd have to say, my father rest in peace. 1:00:26.080 --> 1:00:26.400 Okay. 1:00:26.760 --> 1:00:29.960 So well, my father and her father are also the 1:00:30.080 --> 1:00:33.480 ones that were the band for the Partris family. My 1:00:33.960 --> 1:00:38.320 dad was a uh was Shirley Jones and Lisa's father 1:00:38.480 --> 1:00:41.320 was the little girl tambourine player in all the sessions. 1:00:43.720 --> 1:00:45.920 Wes Farrell was the producer on those things and. 1:00:48.160 --> 1:00:52.240 Oh yeah, yeah yeah, and the Syden Marty Craft show, 1:00:52.280 --> 1:00:53.360 which I've told you about. 1:00:54.560 --> 1:00:56.600 You're gonna make my dad like freak out if he 1:00:56.680 --> 1:00:58.080 hears this. He's done. 1:00:59.000 --> 1:00:59.840 Your father did. 1:00:59.800 --> 1:01:02.400 All with the Seely Dan record, So your dad was 1:01:02.520 --> 1:01:04.200 much in mind at that time. 1:01:04.280 --> 1:01:07.600 Well though they were both cool. They did a lot 1:01:07.640 --> 1:01:08.320 of cool things. 1:01:08.640 --> 1:01:11.800 So what else, like go through the resume, like, what 1:01:11.880 --> 1:01:12.960 else is your father does? 1:01:13.160 --> 1:01:20.960 Well, my father really started on motown sessions and he 1:01:22.080 --> 1:01:24.000 I mean he played with everybody. I didn't even know 1:01:24.720 --> 1:01:27.640 what all he played with until recently when he tried 1:01:27.680 --> 1:01:30.360 to design a website and he was trying to write 1:01:30.360 --> 1:01:33.240 his discography and all the albums he's played on, and 1:01:33.960 --> 1:01:34.240 it was. 1:01:34.520 --> 1:01:36.600 Just sad immense. 1:01:37.080 --> 1:01:39.280 I mean almost every record that was on the radio 1:01:40.400 --> 1:01:45.120 in the sixties, like from sixty three on, my dad 1:01:45.320 --> 1:01:50.080 was on every song, you know, being a percussionist. Yeah, 1:01:50.520 --> 1:01:53.520 so back then it was like a percussionist was really 1:01:53.600 --> 1:01:54.320 a cool thing to be. 1:01:54.560 --> 1:01:55.280 I want to be on a. 1:01:55.320 --> 1:01:58.720 Phil Spector session as a percussionist. That's the wall of sound, right. 1:01:58.960 --> 1:02:02.560 I mean my dad also played on like Marvin Gaye, 1:02:02.600 --> 1:02:05.720 he played congas you know, on What's going On and 1:02:06.120 --> 1:02:09.680 that whole record, and yeah, stuff like that. When we 1:02:09.800 --> 1:02:13.080 went on tour with uh when I don't know what 1:02:13.160 --> 1:02:17.880 tour it was dirty mind, maybe with Prince in Detroit. 1:02:17.960 --> 1:02:20.000 They took us to the Motown mansion for a little 1:02:20.080 --> 1:02:22.280 tour and there was a picture of my father on 1:02:22.440 --> 1:02:22.800 the wall. 1:02:24.960 --> 1:02:30.240 My dad never knew that. His name's Gary, Gary L. Coleman. 1:02:31.960 --> 1:02:32.400 Amazing. 1:02:33.080 --> 1:02:37.000 So you can go on the internet and see both 1:02:37.040 --> 1:02:41.840 of our fathers on the pet Sounds recording sessions. Because 1:02:41.880 --> 1:02:44.120 my father is doing all the he did played all 1:02:44.160 --> 1:02:46.640 the organ stuff, yeah, like good. 1:02:46.560 --> 1:02:47.800 Vibrations and all that kind. 1:02:48.000 --> 1:02:49.240 Yeah, there's great area. 1:02:49.720 --> 1:02:53.960 My father, young Michael, Michael Melbourn. 1:02:55.120 --> 1:02:59.920 I remember your father beaming with pride as he entered. 1:03:01.760 --> 1:03:02.200 Do you know it? 1:03:02.360 --> 1:03:04.800 On that very night when my father introduced us on 1:03:04.920 --> 1:03:07.440 the Grammys and my daughter happens to be one of 1:03:07.520 --> 1:03:12.120 the members of the Revolution, Prince looked over at me like, I'm. 1:03:12.040 --> 1:03:17.160 Going to kill you. Gonna kill you because normally I 1:03:17.240 --> 1:03:17.800 didn't do it. 1:03:18.000 --> 1:03:19.600 I didn't know, I know nothing. 1:03:21.360 --> 1:03:24.640 Normally, like you know, they would you know whoever, I 1:03:24.720 --> 1:03:26.840 think John Denver was still hosting at the time, like 1:03:27.520 --> 1:03:30.240 for for artists of you guys stature, Normally, I guess 1:03:30.280 --> 1:03:32.160 someone would big would do that. I was like, that's 1:03:33.080 --> 1:03:36.320 normally like a narrow staff member would just say what 1:03:36.440 --> 1:03:39.320 the rules and regulations were, like, not introduced the biggest 1:03:39.360 --> 1:03:41.080 act of the night. So I always wondered. 1:03:44.040 --> 1:03:47.840 My father was the president of the National Academy of 1:03:47.920 --> 1:03:54.360 Recording NARS and and that year, which is really funny 1:03:54.400 --> 1:03:56.960 because all of our Grammys and all of our plaques 1:03:57.440 --> 1:03:59.240 have my father's name. 1:04:00.880 --> 1:04:03.760 As the president of NERS. It's very trippy. It just 1:04:04.000 --> 1:04:08.280 is there's so many connections. So that night, my father, 1:04:08.680 --> 1:04:11.800 you know, the National Academy Recording Arts and sciences. 1:04:11.920 --> 1:04:14.200 Was like to welcome everybody to the Grammys tonight and 1:04:14.240 --> 1:04:15.280 blah blah blah blah. 1:04:15.240 --> 1:04:21.320 Which they normally do. And then he introduced the Prince 1:04:21.720 --> 1:04:23.160 and the Revolution. 1:04:24.720 --> 1:04:27.320 And it's special for. 1:04:27.480 --> 1:04:30.880 Me because my daughter happens to be a member of 1:04:30.960 --> 1:04:33.720 the Revolution and Prince. 1:04:33.560 --> 1:04:34.080 At the time. 1:04:34.160 --> 1:04:35.840 He would be like if he was like you know, 1:04:35.880 --> 1:04:38.080 I mean, there was this whole esthetic we had, like 1:04:38.440 --> 1:04:44.040 doude smile man, look bad ass and if there was 1:04:44.160 --> 1:04:48.000 any kind of cuddling cuddlingess when you needed to be, 1:04:51.400 --> 1:04:52.040 I'm going to kill you. 1:04:52.240 --> 1:04:55.240 You're don't blow the bubble bss, don't do it. I 1:04:55.280 --> 1:04:56.760 don't want to care about this at all. 1:04:58.520 --> 1:04:58.640 Yo. 1:04:59.000 --> 1:05:03.200 So okay, this is one. Do you remember anything about 1:05:03.200 --> 1:05:06.080 the Sunshine Superman sessions with Melbournmore at all? 1:05:06.240 --> 1:05:07.360 Remember very much? 1:05:07.400 --> 1:05:10.720 So really, what's what's the story behind that? Wait before 1:05:10.720 --> 1:05:12.960 you get into the story, Let's let's set out Melbournmore's 1:05:13.000 --> 1:05:16.680 Sunshine Superman with you, Wendy and your twin sister Susannah 1:05:16.920 --> 1:05:33.600 singing in the children's course. That was Melbournemore Sunshine Superman 1:05:33.680 --> 1:05:36.680 on Quest Love Supreme. We're here with Wendy and Lisa 1:05:36.800 --> 1:05:39.680 Princess Band, The Revolution. I don't know. For me with 1:05:40.160 --> 1:05:43.920 Sunshine Superman, I meant just as a digger, as a 1:05:44.120 --> 1:05:48.520 great digger. No. I mean, like the way that you 1:05:48.560 --> 1:05:51.640 know hip hoppers discover stuff is look up the most 1:05:51.760 --> 1:05:55.440 unusual things ever, and then that's how we dive into 1:05:55.480 --> 1:05:58.680 the pool of music to research. So you get these albums, 1:05:58.960 --> 1:06:02.360 you're like, oh, okay, I'm gonna that, And then you know, 1:06:02.560 --> 1:06:05.000 some producers actually read the credits and see who else 1:06:05.120 --> 1:06:08.760 is on it, and I kept seeing hmm, melvoy Melvoint, 1:06:09.120 --> 1:06:11.120 oh crap, and then you know, and then. 1:06:11.320 --> 1:06:14.680 There's not very many Melvoin's. We're all very closely related. 1:06:15.040 --> 1:06:18.000 I know this now. So I guess I got to 1:06:18.280 --> 1:06:22.560 bring you guys to Middle America. How did you why 1:06:22.680 --> 1:06:25.720 did you leave LA to go to Minnesota? Like how 1:06:25.840 --> 1:06:29.960 did your paths even cross? Or I guess Lisa you 1:06:30.040 --> 1:06:30.479 were first. 1:06:30.640 --> 1:06:33.240 Yeah, well it it is. 1:06:33.720 --> 1:06:36.160 It is kind of strange growing up in LA and 1:06:36.520 --> 1:06:40.640 Hollywood and being born to the into the music business. 1:06:40.760 --> 1:06:43.640 You know, like that was the steel mill, you know, 1:06:44.040 --> 1:06:46.480 our town. You know, I grew up in Hollywood, went 1:06:46.480 --> 1:06:47.440 to Hollywood High. 1:06:47.840 --> 1:06:49.480 You know, my dad worked in the studios. 1:06:49.520 --> 1:06:53.080 All local you know, it was all right there and uh, 1:06:53.200 --> 1:06:55.960 and then I moved to Minneapolis to make it big. 1:07:01.160 --> 1:07:01.680 So lucky. 1:07:03.840 --> 1:07:06.160 I mean, did you go there specifically to work with 1:07:06.280 --> 1:07:08.520 Prince or was like let me let me. 1:07:10.720 --> 1:07:10.760 Know. 1:07:11.000 --> 1:07:12.000 It was like are you kidding? 1:07:12.000 --> 1:07:13.840 Because it's like funky Town just came out. It was 1:07:13.880 --> 1:07:16.600 about getting out of there. It's like, take me to 1:07:16.800 --> 1:07:22.480 someplace else. No, it was just through his management company. 1:07:22.560 --> 1:07:25.360 He had a female keyboard player, Gael. 1:07:26.520 --> 1:07:29.760 And so how to own hunt, you know, to seek 1:07:29.840 --> 1:07:30.160 you out. 1:07:30.400 --> 1:07:34.160 Well, by that Owen had just been fired and he 1:07:34.760 --> 1:07:37.080 had a new management Farnoi. 1:07:37.400 --> 1:07:40.440 And can we probably say their name because. 1:07:42.120 --> 1:07:46.800 Steve Farnoli, Bob Cavallo and Joe Ruffalo, so it was 1:07:48.440 --> 1:07:51.280 Ruffalo fern So it's only three. 1:07:51.320 --> 1:07:52.600 I always thought it was like four or five. 1:07:52.920 --> 1:07:54.360 Well, it sounds like a lot of. 1:07:56.160 --> 1:07:59.959 Guido, and you don't want to know the other guys. 1:08:01.200 --> 1:08:02.400 You don't talk about those guys. 1:08:02.920 --> 1:08:06.680 So they so, well, they were looking for another girl 1:08:07.480 --> 1:08:10.080 and a friend of mine who was my best friend 1:08:10.200 --> 1:08:13.960 in school, she had run away from home and got 1:08:14.040 --> 1:08:17.439 a job at their company, you know, secretary, and she 1:08:17.560 --> 1:08:20.639 heard about it and she was, oh, my god, Lisa 1:08:20.640 --> 1:08:23.400 would be perfect and she told me about it, and 1:08:23.520 --> 1:08:26.560 she said, Prince is looking for and I was Prince. 1:08:26.960 --> 1:08:30.280 Yeah, No I didn't. When did you first hear of Princeville? Oh? 1:08:30.960 --> 1:08:32.720 When I was seen, and I was. 1:08:33.880 --> 1:08:37.200 I left my It was the summer of seventy seven 1:08:38.400 --> 1:08:42.280 and I went My sister and I escaped our houses 1:08:42.760 --> 1:08:44.479 in the middle of the night and we went to 1:08:44.600 --> 1:08:47.120 the Starwood, which is an old club here in town. 1:08:47.200 --> 1:08:49.599 You could look it up and they had two places. 1:08:49.680 --> 1:08:51.960 They had two There was a disco and then there 1:08:52.080 --> 1:08:54.800 was a live stage. So the live stage you'd see 1:08:54.880 --> 1:08:57.800 like secret concerts of devo and you'd see you know, 1:08:57.840 --> 1:09:01.120 I mean, I saw amazing performances there. But in the 1:09:01.200 --> 1:09:05.320 disco that's where I was. And this one night, the 1:09:05.479 --> 1:09:09.400 DJ puts on soft and wet and I'm. 1:09:10.000 --> 1:09:12.080 I'm thirteen, spok, but I'm like. 1:09:13.720 --> 1:09:19.240 I literally ran up to the booth and went, who's 1:09:19.320 --> 1:09:20.080 that girl? 1:09:24.479 --> 1:09:27.120 And the guy looks at paintings. That's not a girl. 1:09:27.240 --> 1:09:32.120 It's Prince. He's seventeen. He's from Minneapolis. From that moment on, 1:09:33.400 --> 1:09:36.559 I knew and studied everything. 1:09:36.720 --> 1:09:37.360 And then. 1:09:38.800 --> 1:09:43.000 Finding out that this one got the job playing with him, 1:09:43.200 --> 1:09:47.240 I was like, you're kidding me. Do you know who 1:09:47.360 --> 1:09:50.920 he is now? And then she's I'm in the. 1:09:51.760 --> 1:09:56.160 Kitchen of the Coleman's house in Hollywood Hills, and Lisa 1:09:56.240 --> 1:10:00.320 has a cassette. She's just come back from Minneapolis, comes 1:10:00.360 --> 1:10:03.880 back with a cassette of Head and puts it on 1:10:04.200 --> 1:10:07.560 in the kitchen. So that when that song came on 1:10:07.640 --> 1:10:10.480 and I was listening to it, I was like crushed 1:10:10.760 --> 1:10:16.400 with envy and pride and like she was perfect. She 1:10:16.600 --> 1:10:23.320 was the perfect addition to his. She was so schooled 1:10:23.520 --> 1:10:27.720 and highly cultured. And to hear her voice say I'm 1:10:27.800 --> 1:10:29.400 just a virgin and I'm on my way to be wet, 1:10:29.800 --> 1:10:32.760 you could tell it wasn't It was uncomfortable for her 1:10:32.840 --> 1:10:33.160 to say. 1:10:33.560 --> 1:10:36.240 The way she speaks, it was so innocent sounding. 1:10:36.600 --> 1:10:40.640 But behind that voice, if you listen carefully, that's a 1:10:41.120 --> 1:10:45.600 really serious person saying that. And I got that from it, 1:10:45.720 --> 1:10:49.280 and I was like, this just makes this whole song 1:10:50.080 --> 1:10:50.920 that freakier. 1:10:51.479 --> 1:10:55.720 This is great. It was almost so dangerous to me. 1:10:56.000 --> 1:10:59.920 It's like, oh my god, it's not like some weirdstute 1:11:00.160 --> 1:11:00.840 sounding person. 1:11:01.120 --> 1:11:04.320 He was like this sound like acture sounded real. It 1:11:04.479 --> 1:11:08.680 was that's weird, Like you had a pride and I 1:11:08.760 --> 1:11:15.800 had a moment of how to not give It's weird, 1:11:16.720 --> 1:11:21.719 like everyone has a sophoment story, a moment of discovery. 1:11:21.800 --> 1:11:27.600 This guy so uh, I mean, obviously I know that 1:11:28.000 --> 1:11:34.840 Gail Chapman left h the band under tints uh kind 1:11:34.880 --> 1:11:39.320 of this under under this tension of having this sort 1:11:39.360 --> 1:11:44.560 of closure line. Well, yeah, I mean religion sometimes, I 1:11:44.640 --> 1:11:48.200 mean can impress people from doing certain things. So did 1:11:48.280 --> 1:11:52.280 you were you automatically told from the gate like we 1:11:52.439 --> 1:11:57.479 are trying to push boundaries never seen before and that 1:11:57.640 --> 1:11:59.960 sort of thing, Like did you realize that you would 1:12:00.120 --> 1:12:01.240 be the No? 1:12:01.520 --> 1:12:03.840 I just I didn't. I don't think. 1:12:05.920 --> 1:12:10.280 Between Prince and myself, I think it was a different 1:12:10.320 --> 1:12:15.479 kind of relationship. It wasn't really that like we didn't 1:12:15.479 --> 1:12:19.640 really conceive of anything first. We sort of just explored 1:12:19.680 --> 1:12:21.680 it and then conceived you know, you. 1:12:21.720 --> 1:12:24.000 Know what I mean. So it was back and forth. 1:12:24.080 --> 1:12:26.439 But I did see that in what he was doing, 1:12:26.520 --> 1:12:28.640 and I loved it. I loved that he was outrageous and. 1:12:29.400 --> 1:12:32.559 You know, but you didn't see his stars Born. 1:12:32.400 --> 1:12:35.679 Poster in the house he had the Stars Born first. 1:12:36.000 --> 1:12:36.200 Yeah. 1:12:36.760 --> 1:12:39.080 Yeah, when I first flew out to meet him and 1:12:39.200 --> 1:12:40.880 he picked me up at the airport and it was 1:12:41.040 --> 1:12:43.320 pretty funny and yeah. 1:12:43.200 --> 1:12:43.960 Yeah, oh wow. 1:12:46.040 --> 1:12:48.479 Then I was like, have a manager's car service pick 1:12:48.840 --> 1:12:49.120 so there. 1:12:50.280 --> 1:12:55.080 No, no, no, his little Fiat and we drove to 1:12:55.200 --> 1:12:57.840 his house and I even like smoked a cigarette in 1:12:57.920 --> 1:13:00.840 his car, like mind if I smoke, and he was like, 1:13:01.160 --> 1:13:04.800 I'm sure he wanted to say, don't smoke, lef he 1:13:04.880 --> 1:13:06.280 smoked and he used to smoke. 1:13:06.400 --> 1:13:07.160 And yeah. 1:13:07.280 --> 1:13:10.360 So we got to his house and it was it 1:13:10.479 --> 1:13:12.679 was a trip because I didn't know what he was about, 1:13:12.840 --> 1:13:14.320 you know, and he didn't know what I was about. 1:13:14.360 --> 1:13:15.880 And we were looking at the dressing, like what are 1:13:15.920 --> 1:13:19.320 you about? And he pointed downstairs. I go down there, 1:13:19.360 --> 1:13:22.640 there's a piano and and then I was looking at 1:13:22.680 --> 1:13:23.639 the posters on the wall. 1:13:23.680 --> 1:13:25.200 There's like Chris Christophers and. 1:13:29.520 --> 1:13:32.160 It was a little bit like what, I'm certain that 1:13:32.320 --> 1:13:35.000 somebody put that up there for him. I can't see 1:13:35.080 --> 1:13:36.400 him doing his own housework. 1:13:37.439 --> 1:13:38.719 Oh that's not true. 1:13:38.880 --> 1:13:40.520 He did a little bits. 1:13:41.880 --> 1:13:49.400 Oh yeah, he knew what he was like exactly that was. 1:13:50.240 --> 1:13:52.280 And he was like just putting things on the wall 1:13:52.360 --> 1:13:54.639 like it's spray paint, pieces of paper. 1:13:54.720 --> 1:13:55.719 Was he extra meticulous? 1:13:55.760 --> 1:13:57.599 He seemed like he was somebody that was extra meticulous. 1:13:57.680 --> 1:13:59.720 Later on, later on he was in the beginning, he 1:13:59.800 --> 1:14:04.719 was he was sloppy. Yes, he was sloppy. 1:14:04.920 --> 1:14:06.160 Yeah, you know it's messy. 1:14:06.600 --> 1:14:07.719 I have pictures of the launy. 1:14:07.920 --> 1:14:11.320 But you know in the yeah, you know it's funny because. 1:14:13.000 --> 1:14:16.080 I ended up doing it and making Friday sandwiches. 1:14:16.760 --> 1:14:22.320 He one of his last piano concerts, he talks about 1:14:22.600 --> 1:14:24.880 meeting Lisa for the first time the second to the 1:14:24.920 --> 1:14:26.240 last performance of his Knees. 1:14:26.720 --> 1:14:29.280 He says, in that very moment where he points down. 1:14:29.160 --> 1:14:33.200 And says, you go downstairs, he calls Steve Farnolan and 1:14:33.240 --> 1:14:37.519 he says, I don't think this is gonna work out. Really, Yeah, 1:14:38.160 --> 1:14:40.000 I don't think this is because there was something about 1:14:40.200 --> 1:14:40.639 the way. 1:14:40.640 --> 1:14:42.960 And I didn't look him in the Yeah, something was 1:14:43.080 --> 1:14:49.360 weird to him. And then and then he says, you're 1:14:49.600 --> 1:14:51.800 not supposed to look me in the eyes. Oh, he 1:14:51.880 --> 1:14:52.839 didn't know exactly. 1:14:54.680 --> 1:14:56.479 So what is it ends up happening is he says, 1:14:56.560 --> 1:14:58.439 you know, go downstairs, and then he calls for only 1:14:58.479 --> 1:15:01.280 and the phoney. He says, you get a gator, gotta 1:15:01.280 --> 1:15:02.680 get her out of here. I don't think get her 1:15:02.680 --> 1:15:04.200 a flight home. I don't think this is gonna work. 1:15:04.200 --> 1:15:07.479 And as he's saying that, she's downstairs and she opens 1:15:07.520 --> 1:15:10.519 the piano and she just starts playing. And if anybody 1:15:10.560 --> 1:15:14.320 in here has ever heard Lisa play by herself and what, yeah, 1:15:14.560 --> 1:15:18.280 what comes out between Sawtee and hinder myth And. 1:15:19.920 --> 1:15:22.000 He said, I'll call you back. 1:15:25.960 --> 1:15:29.519 So you had a classical background. I mean when when 1:15:29.560 --> 1:15:30.719 did you first start playing piano? 1:15:31.160 --> 1:15:35.120 As soon as I could reach it. Yeah, yeah, it 1:15:35.240 --> 1:15:37.519 was just in the house, you know. And my mom 1:15:38.080 --> 1:15:41.040 was a singer and she'd have piano players come over. 1:15:41.720 --> 1:15:45.320 And there was this guy, Dick Gray who was very 1:15:45.439 --> 1:15:49.080 depressed man, but played so beautifully and woul. 1:15:48.880 --> 1:15:49.880 Accompany my mom was. 1:15:50.000 --> 1:15:53.960 She would practice and she was a jazz singer and 1:15:54.080 --> 1:15:56.679 I would just watch and I look at the shapes 1:15:57.560 --> 1:15:59.560 and I just always and I still have that in 1:15:59.640 --> 1:16:00.759 my mind, like shapes. 1:16:00.920 --> 1:16:03.880 It's shapes, you know, what sounds like. 1:16:04.040 --> 1:16:08.160 Yeah. Yeah, I was about to say these former centers. Yeah, 1:16:08.280 --> 1:16:11.040 so when you heard sound, you saw shapes. Yeah. 1:16:11.280 --> 1:16:13.360 Well it's it's kind of funny because Prince always said 1:16:13.360 --> 1:16:15.000 that your sound always added a lot of color to 1:16:15.120 --> 1:16:16.000 his music exactly. 1:16:16.360 --> 1:16:16.559 Yeah. 1:16:16.680 --> 1:16:20.320 Yeah, so I just yeah, it's really visual, you know, 1:16:20.640 --> 1:16:23.680 and and and that's how I would try to recreate 1:16:23.760 --> 1:16:26.360 it when I when after they would finish and I 1:16:26.560 --> 1:16:28.479 go to the piano and try to make shapes again. 1:16:28.600 --> 1:16:28.760 You know. 1:16:30.120 --> 1:16:33.240 Usually, well every virtual as I know, at least in 1:16:33.360 --> 1:16:37.040 pop music, you know, they have this higher education first, 1:16:37.080 --> 1:16:39.960 like they they s like the Motown guys were jazz musicians. 1:16:40.840 --> 1:16:42.120 This pop stuffs whatever. 1:16:42.120 --> 1:16:43.320 Yeah, jazz. 1:16:43.720 --> 1:16:48.160 So I did you feel as though or did your 1:16:48.320 --> 1:16:50.800 family make you feel as though, like, uh, you're kind 1:16:50.840 --> 1:16:53.680 of luring yourself like you could be the next you 1:16:53.720 --> 1:16:55.679 can be on this level of classical music. 1:16:56.560 --> 1:16:58.400 Yeah, a little bit. My father had a bit of 1:16:58.479 --> 1:17:02.439 that because he really did. He did a lot of times. 1:17:02.600 --> 1:17:04.479 You know, you said you got the talent to be 1:17:04.560 --> 1:17:09.559 a concert pianist, you know, and I really I saw 1:17:09.640 --> 1:17:11.960 that for you and your future, and you know, I 1:17:12.000 --> 1:17:14.920 would marry the conductor and you know all this stuff, 1:17:14.920 --> 1:17:16.320 and I was like, Dad, no, I'm going to be 1:17:16.439 --> 1:17:20.960 the conductor. You don't understand, you know. And it was 1:17:21.439 --> 1:17:24.160 and he shouldn't. He knows, I mean, and my mom 1:17:24.439 --> 1:17:26.040 knew the truth because. 1:17:25.800 --> 1:17:26.320 I grew up. 1:17:27.080 --> 1:17:29.679 I mean I didn't, I didn't know, and I didn't 1:17:29.720 --> 1:17:32.760 care what I would play. I just wanted to play, 1:17:32.840 --> 1:17:36.080 and I wanted to play everything forever, and they got 1:17:36.160 --> 1:17:39.280 me lessons and I was just, you know, lucky to 1:17:39.320 --> 1:17:42.120 be advantaged the way I was that they supported me 1:17:42.280 --> 1:17:45.920 playing it, you know, at all. And it was just 1:17:46.000 --> 1:17:48.519 my house and my brother, My brother and sister were 1:17:48.560 --> 1:17:51.640 both musicians. My sister was a guitar player and my 1:17:51.720 --> 1:17:54.439 brother was everything cellist. 1:17:54.720 --> 1:17:56.760 Well, here's a nice little tidbit as well as that 1:17:57.280 --> 1:18:02.160 Lisa's father, Gary was friends with Tom ober Time and 1:18:02.520 --> 1:18:06.120 they had some of the first since in the house 1:18:06.280 --> 1:18:09.280 and at Lisa also learned all of her skills with 1:18:09.360 --> 1:18:11.920 an our twenty six hundred in the house, and so 1:18:12.120 --> 1:18:15.600 Gary was doing a lot of music concrete in his sectonic. 1:18:15.880 --> 1:18:19.840 He was a composer, Yeah, yeah, a total composer. 1:18:20.600 --> 1:18:23.960 And Lisa learned all of her tape skills and marking 1:18:24.120 --> 1:18:24.759 and patching. 1:18:25.280 --> 1:18:28.880 Yeah we had we didn't, you know, synthesizers were They 1:18:28.920 --> 1:18:31.160 were just like modular things that you had to patch 1:18:31.280 --> 1:18:34.160 together and then we would cut tape and little pieces 1:18:34.280 --> 1:18:34.920 and flip it. 1:18:35.040 --> 1:18:36.439 And my dad taught me. 1:18:37.960 --> 1:18:38.320 Earlier. 1:18:38.479 --> 1:18:40.719 Yeah, she was a team with like a young team 1:18:40.880 --> 1:18:41.599 learning that stuff. 1:18:41.640 --> 1:18:43.320 So by the time the Oberheim came when you were 1:18:43.360 --> 1:18:45.639 able to actually play chords on it and like one 1:18:45.760 --> 1:18:47.880 noted right exactly. Oh my god. 1:18:48.000 --> 1:18:51.320 Then I know I knew how she was the perfect 1:18:51.439 --> 1:18:53.360 person for Prince Perfect. 1:18:54.000 --> 1:18:56.080 Yeah, And in that way, my dad was right because 1:18:56.080 --> 1:18:57.920 he said, if you have the skill and then you 1:18:58.000 --> 1:18:59.920 have this knowledge, you're going to do something. 1:19:00.200 --> 1:19:02.920 Okay, So I have to jump ahead a little bit. 1:19:03.560 --> 1:19:08.000 Uh Rick James's street songs, and Rick and the at 1:19:08.080 --> 1:19:12.840 least the David Rich edition of his autobiography talks of 1:19:14.320 --> 1:19:20.479 stealing your keyboards and there already made patches to record 1:19:20.600 --> 1:19:26.320 street songs. So by that point was the overheime, like 1:19:27.120 --> 1:19:29.519 how much programming did you like? Now? Of course, if 1:19:29.520 --> 1:19:32.240 you ever tried or whatever, it's like ready made and 1:19:32.520 --> 1:19:34.280 you know it kind of does have to work for 1:19:34.400 --> 1:19:36.479 you at least to get the patch sound you want. 1:19:37.680 --> 1:19:41.000 But how did you have to pre program the stuff 1:19:41.320 --> 1:19:42.880 specifically to get that? 1:19:43.479 --> 1:19:46.120 Well, to be honest, at the very beginning, it was. 1:19:47.720 --> 1:19:50.439 It was actually really cool to just have the big fat, 1:19:50.600 --> 1:19:55.200 kind of like sloppy sounding you know, whatever the presets 1:19:55.280 --> 1:19:59.040 were when they were first coming out with presets, well, 1:19:59.439 --> 1:20:00.759 and they just had a sound. 1:20:01.479 --> 1:20:03.639 The only thing that we used to do was just like, wow, 1:20:03.920 --> 1:20:05.120 just turned the filter up. 1:20:05.800 --> 1:20:07.760 So there's no grand design like you just. 1:20:08.360 --> 1:20:10.240 No, in the beginning there kind of wasn't It was 1:20:10.280 --> 1:20:14.160 just yeah, and it just had a sound of its son. 1:20:14.240 --> 1:20:16.680 It was just as we would as we progressed and 1:20:16.800 --> 1:20:19.000 started learning more than we would kind of tweak the 1:20:19.080 --> 1:20:23.640 sounds and make more sounds. But in the beginning, no, 1:20:23.800 --> 1:20:26.800 it was really like, that's why you can get an 1:20:26.840 --> 1:20:29.200 Oberheim now and it sounds like you know, you're to 1:20:29.520 --> 1:20:32.519 whatever ce one and it's those are those horns? 1:20:32.560 --> 1:20:32.720 You know? 1:20:32.840 --> 1:20:33.960 Weren't you right? 1:20:34.920 --> 1:20:38.879 So did you? Did you guys discover that your equipment 1:20:39.000 --> 1:20:41.600 was stolen to make this record and every time you 1:20:41.680 --> 1:20:42.880 listen to super Freak like. 1:20:43.640 --> 1:20:50.000 That, well no, I mean my purple rain guitars were 1:20:50.280 --> 1:20:50.800 ripped off. 1:20:50.880 --> 1:20:55.799 That pissed me off. Really yees wait who. 1:20:56.160 --> 1:20:58.920 Whoa how there was no other opening. 1:20:58.680 --> 1:21:03.040 Act but you guys, well, and we were loading the 1:21:03.880 --> 1:21:10.280 trucks and someone was eyeing, so they knew instantly the 1:21:11.640 --> 1:21:14.880 price listened. 1:21:19.880 --> 1:21:24.960 So another theme that uh I noticed that's recurring is 1:21:25.040 --> 1:21:30.479 the meticulous, uh hours of and relentless hours of practice 1:21:31.200 --> 1:21:35.560 that you guys have had to put in. And I 1:21:35.600 --> 1:21:38.080 guess the ongoing joke, at least for all the things 1:21:38.120 --> 1:21:41.599 that I've collected, was that if there's anyone that's an 1:21:41.760 --> 1:21:48.120 expert at James Brown's body heat, it's you guys. 1:21:49.240 --> 1:21:51.160 Just when you said body heat, it was like a. 1:21:55.240 --> 1:22:03.120 Flat like slowly I turned step by step. 1:22:04.600 --> 1:22:07.920 Well, I would assume that he was working out stuff 1:22:07.960 --> 1:22:09.479 in his head in real time. 1:22:09.479 --> 1:22:12.400 But he'd have us not move for four hours and 1:22:12.479 --> 1:22:14.040 he'd be practicing dance moves. 1:22:14.600 --> 1:22:17.839 Oh wow, really yeah, we were machine. 1:22:20.960 --> 1:22:25.000 We were the little presscoa. Okay, go and then don't 1:22:25.240 --> 1:22:28.240 don't move, and he'd be doing well. 1:22:28.880 --> 1:22:31.000 I kind of want to There was a period at 1:22:31.080 --> 1:22:37.680 least that I knew this, uh, somewhere between late controverty 1:22:37.720 --> 1:22:42.679 no even I'll say between late nineteen ninety nine tour 1:22:42.760 --> 1:22:46.240 where his dancing was sort of awkward. I eve a 1:22:46.320 --> 1:22:48.240 dirty mind thing like it was more like a big 1:22:48.320 --> 1:22:52.240 Jagger thing. And then I guess the first time I 1:22:52.400 --> 1:22:56.439 realized like, oh god, this this guy's inherited the baton 1:22:56.600 --> 1:23:01.040 from James Brown's TAMMI show was I guess when you 1:23:01.120 --> 1:23:05.559 guys released the baby I'm a Star video clip from 1:23:05.600 --> 1:23:09.040 Maryland and I actually saw you guys as the new 1:23:10.040 --> 1:23:14.080 JBS like, was that just the relentless hours of rehearsing, 1:23:14.160 --> 1:23:15.120 and you know. 1:23:15.120 --> 1:23:18.880 If someone mentioned something about that, and I have to 1:23:18.920 --> 1:23:22.240 say that this is all a maturity thing, you know, 1:23:23.720 --> 1:23:29.040 And in those specific years, he became mature and he 1:23:29.160 --> 1:23:32.600 felt very comfortable in his body. And the band that 1:23:32.760 --> 1:23:38.200 was behind him was relentlessly in tune to every movie made. 1:23:38.320 --> 1:23:43.519 And that was countless hours of not moving and giving 1:23:43.680 --> 1:23:47.320 him as much confidence and safety. 1:23:47.000 --> 1:23:51.080 In that environment to perfect that thing. 1:23:51.240 --> 1:23:53.439 It's like he was on the high wire, you know, 1:23:53.600 --> 1:23:55.560 and we were like the balance, you know. 1:23:55.680 --> 1:23:59.439 We gave him theoph underneath to keep him up there, 1:24:00.120 --> 1:24:01.920 you know, and he could just spin around on it 1:24:02.080 --> 1:24:05.479 and we just never kept never looked away, you know, 1:24:05.680 --> 1:24:06.840 we kept our eyes on him. 1:24:06.880 --> 1:24:10.559 And that that we just became a body. 1:24:10.840 --> 1:24:15.240 Yeah, there's there's probably i guess out there in the 1:24:15.560 --> 1:24:20.360 in the in the atmosphere, it's probably i'll say, maybe 1:24:20.479 --> 1:24:25.680 eighteen or nineteen hours of the morphing of Baby I'm 1:24:25.720 --> 1:24:30.120 a Star from when you guys were first rehearsing it 1:24:30.160 --> 1:24:32.160 for the show and it sounded very much like the 1:24:32.240 --> 1:24:35.760 album version. And then suddenly, like the BPMS gets hired, 1:24:35.800 --> 1:24:38.720 and then suddenly you hear like the cues come in, 1:24:38.800 --> 1:24:41.640 and I mean, at what point did you realize that, 1:24:42.400 --> 1:24:45.720 you know, with the idea of him stopping and all 1:24:45.800 --> 1:24:51.200 these cues that had to have been a nightmare at 1:24:51.280 --> 1:24:52.920 least tour wise. 1:24:52.760 --> 1:24:56.879 And no not, it's kind of the contrary. 1:24:57.520 --> 1:24:58.000 It made it. 1:24:58.800 --> 1:25:02.200 It made it the job at hand, and we were 1:25:02.320 --> 1:25:04.960 it was you know, if you choose to take this mission, 1:25:05.000 --> 1:25:07.080 you know what I mean, we were there and ready 1:25:07.120 --> 1:25:07.439 to do it. 1:25:07.520 --> 1:25:11.839 Yeah, and like what else you got trying stumping bad exactly. 1:25:12.840 --> 1:25:15.000 But at the same time, you know, every time we'd 1:25:15.120 --> 1:25:16.439 add some kind of like. 1:25:16.960 --> 1:25:19.360 If we put mutiny into something, or if we took 1:25:19.400 --> 1:25:22.599 a groove from somewhere else and you know, like tacked 1:25:22.640 --> 1:25:26.840 it in. It was every time we were dialed in 1:25:27.200 --> 1:25:30.439 in a groove, we looked forward to getting to that 1:25:30.760 --> 1:25:32.160 spot where that groove would happen. 1:25:32.200 --> 1:25:34.679 It could happen because and then he would start doing 1:25:34.760 --> 1:25:36.519 the little yeah do that. 1:25:37.120 --> 1:25:39.920 Whenever it was dial it was almost like that thing 1:25:39.960 --> 1:25:43.840 that happens when you're when you first hit mocked two 1:25:43.960 --> 1:25:47.360 or three and you just you're it's like, yeah, you 1:25:47.640 --> 1:25:52.040 feel like the groove actually sits so tight you feel 1:25:52.080 --> 1:25:55.080 like you're in slow motion. When the groove is that good, 1:25:55.320 --> 1:25:57.920 and everyone looked forward to that moment, and every time 1:25:58.000 --> 1:25:58.760 he wanted. 1:25:58.520 --> 1:26:00.680 To push it and do more and more of it, 1:26:01.400 --> 1:26:03.000 we had the runners high with him. 1:26:04.160 --> 1:26:09.640 So it okay. I know I'm asking like a lot 1:26:09.680 --> 1:26:12.720 of privileged questions, like the only only stuff that I've heard, 1:26:13.600 --> 1:26:17.760 like the average person hasn't heard. But I kind of 1:26:17.840 --> 1:26:22.640 have to wonder if this is true. So if I 1:26:22.800 --> 1:26:26.599 tend to notice that better, the best shows ever are 1:26:26.720 --> 1:26:29.360 always the shows with the least or in the cities 1:26:29.360 --> 1:26:32.800 with the least expectations. So I'll say that you know 1:26:33.040 --> 1:26:37.800 a town like Providence, Rhode Island, of I mean, as 1:26:37.840 --> 1:26:41.040 a person who's heard maybe at least seventy percent of 1:26:41.120 --> 1:26:44.360 all the Purple Rine concerts and like studied meticulously, I 1:26:44.520 --> 1:26:47.880 noticed that some of the smaller cities, you guys, were 1:26:48.000 --> 1:26:52.080 just like in this incredible zone. But I would listen 1:26:52.160 --> 1:26:54.800 to a New York show or an LA show and 1:26:54.880 --> 1:26:57.160 I'd be like, ah, man, they didn't they didn't do 1:26:57.200 --> 1:27:01.120 it like that. So I can only imagine and and 1:27:01.240 --> 1:27:05.240 only having talked to Alan noticing that like Michael Jackson 1:27:05.280 --> 1:27:06.880 might be in an artist, I was just. 1:27:06.960 --> 1:27:10.000 Going to say, it depends who's on the list, who 1:27:10.120 --> 1:27:12.280 was on the guest list, So there was a lot 1:27:12.320 --> 1:27:13.479 of people on the guest list. 1:27:14.040 --> 1:27:16.919 The show became really mannered, intense. 1:27:17.520 --> 1:27:18.960 It was like, you know, if it was you know, 1:27:19.040 --> 1:27:22.080 like it was Kalamazoo Michigan. You guys had the time 1:27:23.280 --> 1:27:23.840 because it was. 1:27:23.920 --> 1:27:24.599 For the fans. 1:27:24.800 --> 1:27:27.040 I mean yeah, it was more we didn't and it 1:27:27.160 --> 1:27:29.160 wasn't because it was famous people. It was more like 1:27:29.200 --> 1:27:30.280 we found it them in suits. 1:27:31.680 --> 1:27:35.960 Yeah really yeah, Well you two also hold that I 1:27:36.040 --> 1:27:41.240 guess that this distinctive doubIe signer of sort of crossing 1:27:41.720 --> 1:27:46.760 over from his stage world into his studio, which I 1:27:46.840 --> 1:27:50.040 guess the focal is that you know that that was 1:27:51.000 --> 1:27:54.360 Fort Knox or you know, just like no one gets 1:27:54.479 --> 1:27:57.000 influenced into and it didn't. 1:27:57.600 --> 1:27:59.880 It's true, there was just a small group of people. 1:28:00.840 --> 1:28:03.000 How are you able to even gain trust on that 1:28:03.120 --> 1:28:06.000 level at least to play him things like here, listen 1:28:06.040 --> 1:28:06.880 to this and listen to this. 1:28:08.320 --> 1:28:11.040 He just offered it. I mean, well he. 1:28:11.080 --> 1:28:12.360 Said, I need inspiration. 1:28:12.840 --> 1:28:15.720 No no, no, no, no, I mean for me, if 1:28:15.760 --> 1:28:18.200 you don't mind, because I was there early on and 1:28:18.400 --> 1:28:21.160 even you know, like I lived in his house, you know, 1:28:21.320 --> 1:28:24.280 in early early days and you know, he'd take a 1:28:24.360 --> 1:28:27.280 nap or something like, I'd be in the studio messing 1:28:27.320 --> 1:28:31.519 around and he'd said, one time, I remember that piece of. 1:28:31.600 --> 1:28:34.000 Music I did for Miles, just my stepdad. It was 1:28:34.080 --> 1:28:34.559 just for fun. 1:28:35.520 --> 1:28:38.240 And he was taking a nap and he was hearing 1:28:38.320 --> 1:28:41.240 me play and everything, and he was just like, that 1:28:41.400 --> 1:28:42.839 was the I had the best dreams. 1:28:42.960 --> 1:28:46.320 And you know that was so beautiful, and so he 1:28:46.439 --> 1:28:48.519 knew what we had, you know, and. 1:28:49.240 --> 1:28:51.280 I can't stop you one second. You said the most 1:28:51.320 --> 1:28:53.760 amazing thing what Prince left? 1:28:54.200 --> 1:29:01.280 Oh yeah, oh no, it was just he blinks, that's 1:29:01.360 --> 1:29:05.240 really funny, got something in his eyes for a second. 1:29:05.320 --> 1:29:07.800 This is this is something people don't know, but this 1:29:08.000 --> 1:29:09.479 is really really cute. 1:29:10.400 --> 1:29:10.679 Okay. 1:29:12.240 --> 1:29:15.320 So in his bedrooms they're you know, I mean because 1:29:15.320 --> 1:29:18.760 he sleeps slept at funny hours. So you know, the 1:29:18.880 --> 1:29:24.360 rooms were black, but the blankets and the comforters were 1:29:24.360 --> 1:29:28.840 about three ft deep, right like just so he'd like 1:29:29.680 --> 1:29:33.160 you you you just see like a little tube of 1:29:33.439 --> 1:29:36.040 like an imprint of a little bag on the bed. 1:29:39.040 --> 1:29:42.759 In his little just maybe a tiny little pillow imprint, 1:29:43.040 --> 1:29:46.040 but this is tube. I mean, it was he was 1:29:47.360 --> 1:29:49.679 that sounds he was a tender button. 1:29:50.320 --> 1:29:52.679 I thought it was like the nineteen ninety nine intercover 1:29:52.840 --> 1:29:56.000 with like the neon lights and watercolors. 1:29:57.479 --> 1:30:01.200 Well you know on his crow in the bathtub. 1:30:01.439 --> 1:30:03.640 Yeah, you know he was, Oh no, he was. 1:30:04.560 --> 1:30:07.639 He was kitty with little pony. 1:30:07.920 --> 1:30:10.960 Yeah, Lisa and I used to call him my little pony. 1:30:11.479 --> 1:30:13.840 Did he hate that or like, no, he hated it, 1:30:13.920 --> 1:30:14.519 but he loved it. 1:30:18.120 --> 1:30:21.479 Who you know, and girls, girls love ponies, cute ponies. 1:30:22.560 --> 1:30:23.840 Never mind must change itself. 1:30:28.840 --> 1:30:35.960 So I meant at the at the rate where you know, 1:30:36.400 --> 1:30:41.120 I guess uh laid eighty four, mid eighty five. I mean, 1:30:41.280 --> 1:30:47.240 you guys were pretty much a Lennon McCartney combination together. 1:30:47.400 --> 1:30:50.920 I mean, could you speak of an on just at 1:30:50.960 --> 1:30:53.320 the point where you were full fledged collaborators. 1:30:53.400 --> 1:30:59.920 And it became a parent that he really relied on 1:31:00.240 --> 1:31:04.360 us for a certain thing when he would be sending 1:31:04.600 --> 1:31:08.800 just a master with just a scratch vocal and a 1:31:08.880 --> 1:31:10.840 piano idea and say finished this. 1:31:12.360 --> 1:31:15.439 Trust And so a lot of Sign of the Times was. 1:31:15.479 --> 1:31:16.000 Done that way. 1:31:17.520 --> 1:31:21.760 So just scale he was really he was more you know, 1:31:21.840 --> 1:31:24.479 making the movies and getting you know, he was getting 1:31:24.520 --> 1:31:25.960 his head into other things. 1:31:26.280 --> 1:31:28.960 Strange relationship was like that right. Yeah, what's weird was 1:31:29.000 --> 1:31:31.559 that you guys weren't using patches. You guys were there's 1:31:31.920 --> 1:31:34.320 we played those were Middle Eastern like. 1:31:34.800 --> 1:31:36.639 Yeah, we would get yeah, I mean whatever. 1:31:36.880 --> 1:31:43.320 Brother was also like a proficient So the song we 1:31:43.439 --> 1:31:45.400 Can Fuck was David. 1:31:45.520 --> 1:31:49.680 Song Around the World Day was David and his you know, 1:31:49.920 --> 1:31:53.080 Arab and Farsi influences, so we used that stuff. 1:31:53.160 --> 1:31:59.080 You know, that's amazing. Okay, I know in private, I'll 1:31:59.080 --> 1:32:05.400 always ask about out the Japanese run. But I guess 1:32:07.160 --> 1:32:12.519 in the past few months, I guess video has finally surfaced. 1:32:12.920 --> 1:32:15.080 The smashing of the guitar. He told me, when you 1:32:15.160 --> 1:32:17.840 saw the smashing, we just. 1:32:18.000 --> 1:32:19.800 Me and Lisa and Bobby looked each other and went, 1:32:19.960 --> 1:32:20.320 it's over. 1:32:21.800 --> 1:32:25.600 It's over, because why would he destroyed because. 1:32:25.360 --> 1:32:28.160 He was already pissed. He was pissed anyway. There was 1:32:28.280 --> 1:32:29.519 something happening and he was. 1:32:29.600 --> 1:32:32.880 Pissed, and there were more people on the stage, like 1:32:33.040 --> 1:32:35.040 Sheila's band was on the stage. He looked at me 1:32:35.120 --> 1:32:41.000 a couple of times during really pivotal sections and said layout. 1:32:41.400 --> 1:32:44.400 And when he says layout, you're out. 1:32:44.600 --> 1:32:46.200 It's not good. When Prince. 1:32:48.439 --> 1:32:50.400 Right, when he looks at you and doesn't want you 1:32:50.520 --> 1:32:56.080 to play, he says layout. And when he said I 1:32:56.280 --> 1:32:59.080 was like, Oh, this is not good. What's going on? 1:33:00.000 --> 1:33:03.040 And then he looked at Miko and said turn me 1:33:03.160 --> 1:33:03.599 go up. 1:33:05.080 --> 1:33:07.960 And I was like, ooh, there's something happening here. And 1:33:08.080 --> 1:33:10.600 then when we played Purple Rain that night and he 1:33:10.680 --> 1:33:16.920 smashed the guitar, I was just wow, really is this happening. 1:33:17.280 --> 1:33:19.600 I think it's happening. And we got off stage and 1:33:19.800 --> 1:33:21.680 I was panicked. I felt it. 1:33:21.840 --> 1:33:24.760 I felt it big, and Lisa, it's like, stop overreacting, 1:33:24.920 --> 1:33:25.960 stop overreacting. 1:33:26.080 --> 1:33:28.280 Done it done? And I said no, no, I'm telling 1:33:28.360 --> 1:33:30.080 you this is it. It's done. 1:33:30.520 --> 1:33:33.040 We all flew back to our homes and Prince flew 1:33:33.120 --> 1:33:36.160 back to La had a rental there. It's a funny story. 1:33:36.560 --> 1:33:39.920 We flew back again and he called us two days 1:33:40.000 --> 1:33:43.920 later to go to the rental and pulled us into 1:33:43.960 --> 1:33:47.400 the room and said, I'm going to be going in 1:33:47.439 --> 1:33:51.560 a different direction and I can't ask you guys to 1:33:51.720 --> 1:33:54.839 wear nipoles, bras and crotchless panties. 1:33:58.520 --> 1:34:02.280 He drew that true, and we went that's true. 1:34:02.520 --> 1:34:05.920 You know something. Letting somebody goes probably or at least 1:34:05.960 --> 1:34:11.240 reprimanding someone is that's one of the hardest things I 1:34:11.400 --> 1:34:12.720 have to do, and I hate I. 1:34:14.360 --> 1:34:15.000 Can't stand it. 1:34:15.200 --> 1:34:17.559 No, I mean, I'm amazed that he even. 1:34:17.880 --> 1:34:18.519 He it was. 1:34:20.479 --> 1:34:24.920 It was incredible that he had that and that that 1:34:25.040 --> 1:34:28.360 he what he said was the way for him to 1:34:28.400 --> 1:34:31.720 feel comfortable enough to let He knew that Willis and 1:34:31.800 --> 1:34:34.400 I would go, well, you're right, we won't do that. 1:34:35.280 --> 1:34:37.920 He knew that that was his in and I understood 1:34:38.439 --> 1:34:40.559 that was his way of saying it, and I knew 1:34:41.200 --> 1:34:46.040 ultimately that wasn't the truth. He just was ready to 1:34:46.280 --> 1:34:50.559 take full control back and felt like I've spread myself 1:34:50.640 --> 1:34:55.920 to Yeah. Yeah, it was just turning into it was 1:34:56.000 --> 1:34:56.880 almost eighty seven. 1:34:57.120 --> 1:34:59.240 Wow, and did you guys go straight into your. 1:34:59.200 --> 1:35:03.559 Solo album right away? Me and Bobby and Lisa, we went, yeah. 1:35:03.560 --> 1:35:06.559 I have to say that you know more more than 1:35:08.439 --> 1:35:12.120 I think. The album came out with August thirty, first 1:35:12.200 --> 1:35:22.559 of eighty seven. I'm sorry, I like the album came 1:35:22.640 --> 1:35:24.920 out the same day that Michael Jackson's Bad came out, 1:35:25.200 --> 1:35:28.680 and I distinctly remember listening to their record more than like, 1:35:28.800 --> 1:35:31.200 you know, the whole world was waiting for bed and. 1:35:33.760 --> 1:35:34.879 I know it's hilarious. 1:35:34.920 --> 1:35:35.599 Wait what happened. 1:35:36.439 --> 1:35:39.240 She heard Bad on the radio. She called me from 1:35:39.360 --> 1:35:40.200 on the freeway. 1:35:40.840 --> 1:35:45.360 I had one of those phone with the big phone 1:35:46.680 --> 1:35:49.680 on the phone after I heard bad on the radio whatever. 1:35:49.920 --> 1:35:59.000 And I was like, here's the single, but wait for it, Lisa, 1:36:00.120 --> 1:36:01.640 keep that in your head, but. 1:36:05.880 --> 1:36:06.559 Put them together. 1:36:08.000 --> 1:36:09.680 And that was I was like, you're kidding me. 1:36:10.880 --> 1:36:14.080 This is a musician joke, like circus music. Circus music. 1:36:14.560 --> 1:36:17.519 It's something that we joked about years prior as it 1:36:17.640 --> 1:36:20.880 being like a joking musician yes, thing that goes like this, 1:36:28.720 --> 1:36:31.640 this is a single, and we're both like, it's a 1:36:31.920 --> 1:36:32.200 it's a. 1:36:32.200 --> 1:36:34.880 Smash, smash my circus music. 1:36:35.200 --> 1:36:38.360 Give the people what they want exactly real quick. 1:36:38.479 --> 1:36:41.120 One of both of you were there for a meeting 1:36:41.200 --> 1:36:42.360 between Michael. 1:36:42.080 --> 1:36:44.519 And Prince right, not me, No, we were. 1:36:44.680 --> 1:36:48.360 We weren't there. He came back, No, we were. 1:36:49.360 --> 1:36:49.400 No. 1:36:49.560 --> 1:36:51.560 That was different was that when he wanted when he 1:36:51.680 --> 1:36:55.720 when Prince got the call to sing on No. 1:36:58.240 --> 1:37:02.280 And he's like the first line, your buddy is mine. Okay, 1:37:02.320 --> 1:37:03.240 who's seeing that one? 1:37:06.160 --> 1:37:08.160 On an interview with Chris Rocks, Like imagine me saying 1:37:08.200 --> 1:37:08.920 your blood is mine? 1:37:09.040 --> 1:37:12.720 Right going to happen? I'm not singing it to you 1:37:12.960 --> 1:37:18.439 you're not seeing it. He was like, so how did 1:37:18.720 --> 1:37:20.920 I mean not how did it feel to, you know, 1:37:21.200 --> 1:37:25.439 start creating music on your own without his input? In put? 1:37:26.080 --> 1:37:30.400 I mean, what were those first? If you know, I've 1:37:30.479 --> 1:37:34.599 loved everything that you guys have done in your west Wing, 1:37:35.040 --> 1:37:38.080 like everything. There's even west winging boot legs out there, 1:37:38.200 --> 1:37:45.080 and with the Yes, that's that's funny, that's all that's 1:37:45.240 --> 1:37:46.320 obsessed with your fan base. 1:37:46.680 --> 1:37:47.240 Here's the thing. 1:37:47.280 --> 1:37:55.320 And I said, this is one of his memorials. Everything 1:37:55.439 --> 1:37:59.760 that I played then and still playing now. I say 1:37:59.800 --> 1:38:05.080 to myself, I wonder if you'd like it really to 1:38:05.200 --> 1:38:09.240 this day, I still do it. So he was sort 1:38:09.240 --> 1:38:13.400 of a measure of my push and my standards. 1:38:14.280 --> 1:38:17.240 That's a hell of a standard to have. That's an 1:38:17.280 --> 1:38:18.400 amazing standard to have. 1:38:18.640 --> 1:38:22.160 Well, I'm sure you feel exactly the same way. 1:38:22.760 --> 1:38:25.519 Hell yeah, I mean, you know, I don't know why 1:38:26.040 --> 1:38:27.719 no one's just called. 1:38:27.560 --> 1:38:36.559 You because you're not no, but I mean it's it's 1:38:37.080 --> 1:38:40.200 I mean to me, the you maintained an identity. 1:38:40.479 --> 1:38:43.320 You maintained identity. You're not an imitation. 1:38:43.479 --> 1:38:46.240 There are plenty of people out there that are fanatics 1:38:46.360 --> 1:38:50.520 for him and have emulated and learned everything. 1:38:50.520 --> 1:38:53.000 And they do not have an identity. 1:38:53.120 --> 1:38:56.360 There's appreciation and then there's imitation exactly right. 1:38:56.520 --> 1:38:58.560 You know, it's actually okay, I have to ask what 1:38:58.680 --> 1:39:03.599 did we you guys aware of? Okay, Okay, I work 1:39:03.680 --> 1:39:06.760 with a lot of hip hops, which I mean, yeah, 1:39:07.160 --> 1:39:10.760 I don't know those hip hop kids. I mean, you know, 1:39:10.840 --> 1:39:13.080 we we once had an aesthetic in the nineties, like 1:39:13.200 --> 1:39:15.720 you know, no bite allowed, no copy and like, you know, 1:39:15.880 --> 1:39:18.680 do your own thing individually. Now like everything's just derivative 1:39:18.720 --> 1:39:26.400 of each other. But were you guys aware of the 1:39:26.520 --> 1:39:30.120 ready for the worlds And but I don't know. 1:39:30.960 --> 1:39:33.160 As soon as I heard oh Sheila, I was like, 1:39:33.320 --> 1:39:34.479 oh my god. 1:39:34.400 --> 1:39:36.600 Here we go, Here we go. 1:39:36.960 --> 1:39:40.519 But the thing is is that I feel like I 1:39:40.600 --> 1:39:44.200 always felt that this wasn't just like oh let me, 1:39:44.400 --> 1:39:47.679 let me copy prints or whoever this. I just feel like, Okay, 1:39:47.760 --> 1:39:50.840 you guys just happen to have the blueprint and these 1:39:50.920 --> 1:39:52.600 are the new set of rules. So the way that 1:39:52.760 --> 1:39:55.519 cameo meds should in the comedy, like that was out 1:39:55.560 --> 1:39:58.120 the windows and now this is this is the standard. 1:39:58.240 --> 1:40:01.080 So yeah, it's just like pink se elists, you. 1:40:01.120 --> 1:40:03.680 Guys like laughing at like, you know, those groups in 1:40:03.760 --> 1:40:06.400 the early eighties that were like. 1:40:06.479 --> 1:40:10.120 Some of them, only some really only some, But for 1:40:10.200 --> 1:40:13.160 the most part I got it. You know, it's just 1:40:13.280 --> 1:40:13.839 like everything. 1:40:13.920 --> 1:40:16.840 You know, Chick singers in the sixties don't sound like 1:40:16.960 --> 1:40:20.559 chicks singers in the eighties. Chick singers now with all 1:40:20.680 --> 1:40:21.760 that malisma and. 1:40:21.920 --> 1:40:24.880 The and the mid range stuff is like. 1:40:26.400 --> 1:40:28.840 What everyone sounds like that now, And that's just a 1:40:28.920 --> 1:40:30.840 standards just. 1:40:30.960 --> 1:40:34.200 How we Yeah, it's a human thing, how we evolve 1:40:34.520 --> 1:40:35.880 kind of a hundredth monkey. 1:40:36.320 --> 1:40:40.679 Yeah. Yeah, were you guys this accepting in this politically 1:40:40.760 --> 1:40:44.160 correct patient now? 1:40:45.080 --> 1:40:49.120 No, No, we were, No, we were cocky kidding me. 1:40:49.680 --> 1:40:53.120 Well, because at one point, I, until I started hearing 1:40:53.120 --> 1:40:55.240 the remsal tapes, I didn't even know if you guys 1:40:55.320 --> 1:41:00.280 were even aware of modern music. But then I would 1:41:00.320 --> 1:41:02.800 hear like rehearsal taps in here, like, oh, okay, he 1:41:02.880 --> 1:41:06.000 doesn't know about talking heads, and well, i'm. 1:41:06.160 --> 1:41:11.920 I you know, I have to say, I'm the Wendy's always, 1:41:12.600 --> 1:41:14.160 I'm I'm the DJ. 1:41:14.600 --> 1:41:17.360 I know, I know everything. 1:41:17.720 --> 1:41:21.400 And when I when something was good, I pulled him 1:41:21.439 --> 1:41:25.800 aside immediately, I mean I played him slave to the 1:41:25.920 --> 1:41:30.120 rhythm and said, you have to listen to what happened 1:41:30.479 --> 1:41:34.280 with these chords right now right. 1:41:36.479 --> 1:41:39.679 Steve Libson, Trevor Yes. 1:41:39.760 --> 1:41:44.559 Co producer, but Bruce Lipson and Bruce Willie did those, Yeah, 1:41:45.640 --> 1:41:49.400 And that was important for me to make sure he 1:41:49.600 --> 1:41:50.040 heard that. 1:41:51.920 --> 1:41:56.200 When when I remember after we had broken the band up. 1:41:56.160 --> 1:41:59.840 And Do the Right Thing had just come out and Lisai, 1:42:00.080 --> 1:42:03.920 I went to Minneapolis and I was a fanatic for 1:42:04.040 --> 1:42:10.439 the main title song and ah, and I put it 1:42:10.560 --> 1:42:14.519 on there and at Paisley and he. 1:42:16.600 --> 1:42:19.479 Wait, you were still friends, yea, And. 1:42:19.600 --> 1:42:26.519 He seemed visibly angry at the track, and it was 1:42:26.600 --> 1:42:30.080 because he was so uneasy I think with Chuck d 1:42:31.840 --> 1:42:35.519 and what that The cadence of Chuck's voice being in 1:42:35.600 --> 1:42:40.639 that lower, sort of demanding frequency kind of freaked him out. 1:42:41.080 --> 1:42:43.519 It didn't seem it was like why are you? 1:42:43.760 --> 1:42:45.200 Why am I being assaulted with that? 1:42:46.200 --> 1:42:48.360 And everybody as soon it was played in the room, 1:42:48.400 --> 1:42:50.800 everybody's getting up and dancing, And I think he really 1:42:50.840 --> 1:42:53.640 it's like the metal people when they hear Nirvana, they 1:42:53.920 --> 1:42:55.400 oh my god, it's changed. 1:42:56.120 --> 1:42:58.920 And I think that he knew it changed right there. 1:42:59.640 --> 1:43:03.000 He knew it, yeah, But he also he had a 1:43:03.080 --> 1:43:04.800 different goal, you know. 1:43:05.080 --> 1:43:09.439 And I think he sometimes maybe found it hard to 1:43:10.680 --> 1:43:14.080 when when the weight would because I mean, come on, 1:43:14.320 --> 1:43:19.120 Chuck D, that was genius and he knew it, but 1:43:19.280 --> 1:43:21.960 it was it was the It was almost the antithesis 1:43:22.080 --> 1:43:25.240 of what Prince was trying to do, Like he was 1:43:25.520 --> 1:43:28.880 aiming at your grandmother, now not at your kids. 1:43:29.439 --> 1:43:31.759 Chuck D was aiming at the kids. 1:43:32.280 --> 1:43:36.519 And then Prince came back with sexy motherfucker house quake, 1:43:36.600 --> 1:43:37.680 and yeah, it's like I can do that. 1:43:39.200 --> 1:43:40.080 I can fuck you up. 1:43:44.120 --> 1:43:49.200 Like you know, there's syndromes of people kind of embracing 1:43:50.200 --> 1:43:52.920 things that they normally would resent in the first place 1:43:53.000 --> 1:43:56.960 and then wind up embodying that it's just youth. 1:43:58.040 --> 1:44:00.280 Just you know, time goes by and you go get it. 1:44:00.880 --> 1:44:02.240 I totally get it. 1:44:04.360 --> 1:44:08.080 Well, okay. On on a final note, I would just 1:44:08.160 --> 1:44:13.160 like to know, uh, with the reunion of the group 1:44:14.040 --> 1:44:19.120 and carrying out the mission, how how's this process been 1:44:20.280 --> 1:44:24.120 bringing the band? It's like the Blues Brothers. Wow, it's 1:44:24.720 --> 1:44:25.400 blood on your. 1:44:25.320 --> 1:44:28.599 Thumb, It's blood on your thumb. 1:44:29.080 --> 1:44:30.040 Lisa Lisa. 1:44:31.439 --> 1:44:35.400 Lisa described me and Bobby and Matt and Mark as 1:44:35.680 --> 1:44:38.640 five people jumping out of an airplane with our parachutes 1:44:38.640 --> 1:44:40.519 on trying to do formations. 1:44:41.160 --> 1:44:48.120 Each other's hands, and someone went down there too far 1:44:48.200 --> 1:44:49.400 and we're trying. 1:44:49.200 --> 1:44:53.880 To I have to say that I haven't seen the show, 1:44:56.040 --> 1:44:59.840 especially when when April came on. I mean, I told you, 1:45:00.280 --> 1:45:03.120 I ran out of there like I couldn't take it. 1:45:03.680 --> 1:45:11.120 Some people cry, some people cry, I. 1:45:11.160 --> 1:45:22.280 Was like, I need to run out. Well, I really 1:45:22.360 --> 1:45:25.720 want to thank you to uh for for everything that 1:45:25.840 --> 1:45:28.519 you guys represent. I mean, you know, I mean you 1:45:29.080 --> 1:45:31.680 you would think the smallest SoundBite would mean nothing, but 1:45:31.840 --> 1:45:35.280 it's just like you know, you read like, oh okay, 1:45:35.520 --> 1:45:39.120 she's in joy Menchell. Now I'm at the library skilling 1:45:39.200 --> 1:45:42.680 all the joy Mental records and I'm hearing that you're 1:45:42.680 --> 1:45:44.800 playing more chords with your fingers, and now I'm making 1:45:44.880 --> 1:45:47.960 my keyboard players play like nine notes with just five 1:45:48.040 --> 1:45:48.600 fingers and. 1:45:49.360 --> 1:45:52.240 Lisa, Lisa does three on each. 1:45:53.560 --> 1:45:56.479 And I've always told you, like you know, you're the 1:45:56.560 --> 1:45:59.439 heir apparent to Jimmy Chank Nolan of the JVS, and 1:45:59.640 --> 1:46:03.880 it's it's you two are definitely one of my favorite 1:46:03.920 --> 1:46:05.920 people ever, and I thank you so much for doing 1:46:05.960 --> 1:46:06.559 the show with us. 1:46:06.880 --> 1:46:10.240 And just on a note for you, you. 1:46:12.000 --> 1:46:20.640 Have been the greatest champion of him in such a beautiful, respectful, 1:46:20.760 --> 1:46:24.880 intelligent way, and you have such a way of pointing 1:46:24.920 --> 1:46:29.000 out just the right stuff that would be would help 1:46:29.200 --> 1:46:32.880 the listeners understand him and what his musical influence is. 1:46:33.760 --> 1:46:36.120 And you know, look, the Revolution. 1:46:36.200 --> 1:46:36.960 Wasn't you know. 1:46:37.120 --> 1:46:41.680 We're not, you know, a bunch of Julliard grats. We 1:46:41.800 --> 1:46:45.200 were a band that was meat and potatoes and clocked 1:46:45.320 --> 1:46:49.800 really well, but we were an entity and to have 1:46:50.120 --> 1:46:54.000 you validate that for us is really lovely for us. 1:46:54.040 --> 1:47:09.400 Wow on it, ladies, and gentlemen, Lisa and Wendy, we're 1:47:09.439 --> 1:47:12.160 on the road broadcasting from Minneapolis where we just finished 1:47:12.240 --> 1:47:15.439 talking to some core members a Prince's former band of Revolution. 1:47:16.040 --> 1:47:18.680 Now let's chop it up with Prince's original guitarist Deus 1:47:18.760 --> 1:47:22.519 Dickerson an original bassist, Andre Simone. Give it up, ladies, 1:47:22.520 --> 1:47:34.240 and yeah, So we've been pretty much just reminiscent telling stories, 1:47:34.280 --> 1:47:39.720 and I'm kind of interested in everyone's beginnings before they 1:47:39.880 --> 1:47:44.640 arrive in Minnesota and sort of develop, I guess, or 1:47:45.080 --> 1:47:48.880 become a part of the movement that will become the 1:47:49.000 --> 1:47:53.360 movement that will influence a lot of people. Now, of course, Andre, 1:47:53.720 --> 1:47:57.400 I know that you're probably key to the very beginnings 1:47:57.479 --> 1:48:04.519 of Prince's life as far as his uh musical movement is. 1:48:05.880 --> 1:48:08.640 But what was w what was your musical background as 1:48:08.680 --> 1:48:12.559 far as your family's concerned, and before you guys developed 1:48:12.680 --> 1:48:14.880 what you did, Like, what was childhood like? And you 1:48:14.960 --> 1:48:15.919 were born in Minnesota? 1:48:16.080 --> 1:48:19.960 Yeah, okay, Oh, my dad was a musician. That was 1:48:20.760 --> 1:48:23.360 my musical background. And to my family, my brothers and sisters, 1:48:23.400 --> 1:48:26.559 I was the youngest of six, and you know, they 1:48:26.600 --> 1:48:31.120 all had various musical you know, tastes, and that had 1:48:31.160 --> 1:48:33.880 a lot to do with uh, you know, just my 1:48:34.000 --> 1:48:38.200 pers my personal kind of perspective on music. 1:48:38.840 --> 1:48:42.519 So what did your father play base? Okay, was the 1:48:42.640 --> 1:48:44.960 d d D? I mean, what was the environment like 1:48:45.120 --> 1:48:49.160 in Bobby and and Fink explain, uh, sort of explained 1:48:49.280 --> 1:48:52.600 how they grew up in the suburbs of Minnesota. And 1:48:53.000 --> 1:48:56.800 I didn't realize that there was such a deep music 1:48:56.920 --> 1:48:59.160 culture here. I mean as far as them explaining what 1:48:59.640 --> 1:49:03.200 the folk music was like. But I mean, what area 1:49:03.320 --> 1:49:04.080 was your father in. 1:49:04.280 --> 1:49:13.920 That we are the projects projects are pretty much all 1:49:13.960 --> 1:49:15.200 the same all around the country. 1:49:15.520 --> 1:49:18.560 So so how did I know that, you know, the 1:49:19.680 --> 1:49:23.040 music was very regional. You know, now with the internet. 1:49:23.680 --> 1:49:27.080 You know, someone in Siberia can get right a reference 1:49:27.520 --> 1:49:30.200 that came from southern Georgia that you know, in in 1:49:30.560 --> 1:49:35.040 lightning time. But I mean, how how did culture and 1:49:35.280 --> 1:49:37.880 and and what was hip and what was not hit 1:49:38.080 --> 1:49:40.080 and what was you know, how how did you discern 1:49:41.040 --> 1:49:42.680 what was what? Well? 1:49:42.760 --> 1:49:47.320 I mean, you know again y and I don't I 1:49:47.400 --> 1:49:49.160 probably don't have to tell you this. I mean, you know, 1:49:49.560 --> 1:49:54.719 being black period, you know in America is an interesting 1:49:54.960 --> 1:49:57.680 you know, just reality, right, And so being black and 1:49:57.840 --> 1:50:02.640 and a predominant, very predominantly society, you know, and and 1:50:03.120 --> 1:50:05.360 obviously during the time that I was growing up and 1:50:05.400 --> 1:50:08.240 becoming conscious and understanding what was going on in the world, 1:50:08.880 --> 1:50:13.120 you know, it's a very very you know, moving experience. 1:50:13.200 --> 1:50:15.639 Cause music is g is is unbelievable. I mean, cause 1:50:15.640 --> 1:50:19.920 you Motown, you know obviously M James Brown, you know, 1:50:19.960 --> 1:50:21.920 and then you know, obviously you know the Beatles, and 1:50:22.160 --> 1:50:24.120 you know Jacksonville. Well a lot of n lot of 1:50:24.160 --> 1:50:26.519 stuff was happening, and a lot of people were saying 1:50:26.600 --> 1:50:30.720 some very very interesting stuff, you know. And for you know, 1:50:30.800 --> 1:50:33.280 f my my family was very very militant, very much 1:50:33.439 --> 1:50:36.280 you know, into the community. So just I mean I 1:50:36.360 --> 1:50:40.600 think that combination really had a lot to do with, 1:50:41.360 --> 1:50:43.920 you know, musically, a lot to do with at least 1:50:43.960 --> 1:50:46.000 where I came from, where my family was coming from, 1:50:46.040 --> 1:50:47.240 cause we were you know, I had a cousin that 1:50:47.360 --> 1:50:49.120 was in the music. He was in a band, and 1:50:49.280 --> 1:50:51.960 that's how he even got exposed to a band. You know, 1:50:52.080 --> 1:50:54.040 my cousin, uh was in a band, so we'd you know, 1:50:54.120 --> 1:50:55.800 I went to go see and rehearse when I was like, 1:50:56.240 --> 1:50:58.000 you know, a kid, and that's how I even knew 1:50:58.000 --> 1:51:01.240 how you conducted rehearsals. So I brought that you know 1:51:01.400 --> 1:51:03.800 attitude toward uh when we started a band. 1:51:04.560 --> 1:51:08.240 So your your band experience, Uh, I would assume in school, Like, 1:51:08.280 --> 1:51:10.759 what was the first band that you joined or formed? 1:51:11.160 --> 1:51:12.320 We started Grand Central? 1:51:12.479 --> 1:51:14.760 Yeah, so the fir Grand Center was your first. 1:51:15.000 --> 1:51:16.960 That was all of our first band? Yeah, R well, 1:51:17.000 --> 1:51:19.719 me and Prince and and Charles you know stuff. 1:51:19.760 --> 1:51:21.280 How did you two meet to even know that you 1:51:21.360 --> 1:51:22.280 had something in common? 1:51:23.720 --> 1:51:25.840 You know, I, like I said, I I came from 1:51:25.840 --> 1:51:26.439 the projects. 1:51:26.640 --> 1:51:26.800 Right. 1:51:26.960 --> 1:51:33.080 My mom uh, you know, she was I guess at fifteen, 1:51:33.320 --> 1:51:35.320 you know, had a first child at fourteen whatever. But 1:51:35.479 --> 1:51:38.959 you know, my dad was very old fashioned. They divorced. 1:51:39.120 --> 1:51:42.320 She wound up going back to school college, got a degree, 1:51:43.800 --> 1:51:46.200 and uh wound up getting a a a really good job, 1:51:46.800 --> 1:51:49.040 moved our family out of the projects into a an 1:51:49.120 --> 1:51:51.600 upper middle class black neighborhood. And I had to go 1:51:51.640 --> 1:51:55.840 to a different school, and so I just, you know, 1:51:56.240 --> 1:51:58.880 the new school was like, you know, I didn't know 1:51:58.920 --> 1:52:01.880 anybody there, right. Literally, I just they they line you up, 1:52:01.880 --> 1:52:05.000 they put you in the gymnasium. They line everybody up, 1:52:05.040 --> 1:52:07.400 and it was just a line of dudes, and I 1:52:07.439 --> 1:52:09.640 didn't know anybody, and I just thought, I don't know 1:52:09.760 --> 1:52:11.680 any of these dudes, and I I don't even know 1:52:11.760 --> 1:52:13.760 if I like any of 'em. So I looked down 1:52:13.840 --> 1:52:15.880 the whole line, and then I saw this one dude 1:52:16.479 --> 1:52:18.080 that looked a little bit like me, and I thought, 1:52:18.479 --> 1:52:20.760 I'll go stand next to him. So I stood next 1:52:20.800 --> 1:52:22.160 to him and I said, hey man, I'm My name 1:52:22.240 --> 1:52:24.719 was Andre, you know. He's like, oh, my name is Prince, 1:52:25.280 --> 1:52:26.639 I said, you know. So we start talking. 1:52:26.680 --> 1:52:27.200 I said what do you do? 1:52:27.240 --> 1:52:28.720 You said, I do music. I said, oh, so do 1:52:28.840 --> 1:52:30.840 I I said what do you place it? I played piano. 1:52:31.680 --> 1:52:34.840 I said, oh, I played bass, you know, And he 1:52:34.880 --> 1:52:36.800 said we should hook up. My dad has you know, 1:52:36.920 --> 1:52:41.519 like a piano and you know, a little I didn't 1:52:41.520 --> 1:52:42.920 have a bass at the time, so he said his 1:52:43.040 --> 1:52:46.640 dad has a little, uh, four string acoustic guitar kind 1:52:46.680 --> 1:52:49.400 of bass slash whatever. So we went over there and 1:52:49.439 --> 1:52:50.519 that's that's how we hooked up. 1:52:51.000 --> 1:52:51.200 Yeah. 1:52:51.880 --> 1:52:55.200 Wow, everyone's f bass story in Minnesota starts with just 1:52:55.320 --> 1:52:58.479 four string, right. Frown Mark was saying that he ordered 1:52:58.520 --> 1:53:01.479 a a base in the series catalog and broke two strings. 1:53:01.920 --> 1:53:05.320 Two strings were broken, So that's he came from from. 1:53:05.600 --> 1:53:10.840 Faced by default, was the name Prince a usual thing 1:53:11.080 --> 1:53:15.960 in in the sixties, like you know, I you know, 1:53:16.040 --> 1:53:18.840 it wasn't John or Thomas or you know, like. 1:53:19.720 --> 1:53:26.320 Mostly among probably small four layen animals. But his dad's 1:53:26.400 --> 1:53:28.080 stage name was Prince Roger. 1:53:28.360 --> 1:53:31.280 But you didn't think that was unusual that that's your name, Prince, 1:53:31.439 --> 1:53:35.200 like you know, he wasn't relentlessly teased for having. 1:53:35.200 --> 1:53:37.000 You know, well, I don't know, I mean you have 1:53:37.080 --> 1:53:40.120 to well you can't ask him, but I have no idea. 1:53:40.160 --> 1:53:43.080 But I know that in that community, in that neighborhood, 1:53:43.400 --> 1:53:46.080 we had Caesar, you know, we had. 1:53:47.000 --> 1:53:49.080 So unusual names were just starting. 1:53:49.280 --> 1:53:51.960 Yeah, there was a lot of veryous sort of you know, 1:53:52.920 --> 1:53:54.600 regal names and then you know. 1:53:55.640 --> 1:53:59.160 Yeah, so at what point did you two start playing 1:53:59.200 --> 1:54:02.400 together to know that that, okay, we gel and maybe 1:54:02.479 --> 1:54:04.320 we should do something right then? Yeah, that was. 1:54:04.560 --> 1:54:06.160 That was cause when we went over to his dad's 1:54:06.160 --> 1:54:08.680 house and we jammed, you know, we were like, we 1:54:08.800 --> 1:54:11.200 hit it off. I mean, cause it was it was 1:54:11.240 --> 1:54:14.120 the first time I ever met anybody that had the 1:54:14.240 --> 1:54:17.920 same passion about music that I did before that. I 1:54:19.240 --> 1:54:21.599 you know, tell you know, I would tell anybody you know, look, 1:54:21.680 --> 1:54:25.080 I I you know, I'm gonna be i'm'a be a superstar. 1:54:25.120 --> 1:54:27.000 I'm gonna be you know, Jackson five, I'm gonna do this. 1:54:27.040 --> 1:54:27.560 I'm'a do that. 1:54:28.040 --> 1:54:30.000 And people would laugh at me. And when I would 1:54:30.000 --> 1:54:33.120 say it to him, he was like, it was like, yeah, 1:54:33.200 --> 1:54:33.600 let's do it. 1:54:33.720 --> 1:54:37.520 So anyway, so was there a a a thought to 1:54:37.800 --> 1:54:41.280 make it happen in Minnesota or did you two think that, Okay, 1:54:41.320 --> 1:54:44.560 well we have to go elsewhere and let's go to 1:54:44.880 --> 1:54:48.440 Los Angeles and there we'll make it as musicians. 1:54:48.080 --> 1:54:50.520 Like no, no, no, no, Well it wasn't that, you know, 1:54:50.600 --> 1:54:52.600 I mean, I think the the reality is, I don't 1:54:52.600 --> 1:54:56.600 think kids think like that. Cause we were like thirteen fourteen. 1:54:56.680 --> 1:54:59.560 Maybe you don't think I don't think you think like that. 1:54:59.680 --> 1:55:02.080 I think you just put together band cause I think 1:55:02.160 --> 1:55:03.520 at the time that. 1:55:03.600 --> 1:55:04.200 Was what was going on. 1:55:04.360 --> 1:55:06.200 I mean, there was a lot of really cool bands, 1:55:06.640 --> 1:55:08.040 you know. Like I said, my cousin was one of 1:55:08.080 --> 1:55:09.760 the he was a drummer from one of the the 1:55:09.960 --> 1:55:12.400 the dopest bands in the in the city. And he 1:55:12.520 --> 1:55:15.480 was unbelievable drummer. And then you know, you had other 1:55:15.560 --> 1:55:17.560 things like the Elks and stuff like that that were 1:55:17.560 --> 1:55:20.320 all those were big things for you know, young kids 1:55:20.360 --> 1:55:23.000 who wanna be a musicians. So but I think you just, 1:55:23.640 --> 1:55:26.680 you know, the attitude was that you gotta start here first, 1:55:26.720 --> 1:55:29.000 you gotta start, put put a band together, and you start, 1:55:29.120 --> 1:55:30.760 I mean, you know does knows this stuff. 1:55:30.760 --> 1:55:32.600 I'm sure you did the same thing. You gotta put 1:55:32.600 --> 1:55:33.480 a band together. 1:55:33.280 --> 1:55:35.760 And then you gotta you know, then you gotta you know, 1:55:35.920 --> 1:55:36.480 move from there. 1:55:36.720 --> 1:55:39.560 So it does. Were you born in Minnesota, like, what's. 1:55:39.400 --> 1:55:42.720 Your I was born in Saint Paul, Ah, Yeah. 1:55:42.600 --> 1:55:44.400 So it was life different in Saint Paul than it 1:55:44.520 --> 1:55:48.120 was in Minneapolis or was it really a twin city? 1:55:48.160 --> 1:55:50.320 And I I I it's definitely a twin cities thing, 1:55:50.360 --> 1:55:50.480 you know. 1:55:50.600 --> 1:55:54.000 Saint Paul was sort of the more provincial, you know, 1:55:54.320 --> 1:55:58.160 twin sister of of Minneapolis, but but less so then, 1:55:58.440 --> 1:55:59.920 you know what I mean. There was a lot more 1:56:00.000 --> 1:56:03.200 similarity I think, between the cities then. But my folks 1:56:03.240 --> 1:56:06.600 had moved up from from the south. They were from Clarksville, Tennessee. 1:56:07.200 --> 1:56:09.640 My dad moved up to go to art school and 1:56:09.800 --> 1:56:11.360 then basically cool. 1:56:12.480 --> 1:56:12.680 Yeah. 1:56:12.760 --> 1:56:16.040 Yeah, His older brother was at the U of M. 1:56:17.640 --> 1:56:20.160 And was in his like his senior year or something, 1:56:20.640 --> 1:56:23.000 so he brought no, no, he was, he was in 1:56:23.120 --> 1:56:26.120 his doctorate, that's what it was. And he brought my 1:56:26.360 --> 1:56:28.040 dad up because my dad wanted to come over here 1:56:28.080 --> 1:56:30.800 to go to art school. So he convinced my mom 1:56:30.920 --> 1:56:33.360 to marry him, brought her up, and so I was 1:56:33.480 --> 1:56:34.720 born and raised up here. 1:56:36.000 --> 1:56:40.200 Really, So, what's your musical angle, your connection, Like, what 1:56:40.400 --> 1:56:42.480 was your first moment in discovering music? 1:56:42.600 --> 1:56:44.160 And well, my dad was a musician. 1:56:44.440 --> 1:56:47.400 He was a sax player, and he quit to raise 1:56:47.440 --> 1:56:50.080 the family. So he actually joined the navy, was actually 1:56:50.160 --> 1:56:52.240 in the ship's band, played sacks in the navy and 1:56:52.320 --> 1:56:55.800 got out and you know, started working two three jobs, 1:56:56.160 --> 1:56:59.200 so one of my earliest memories is hearing waking up 1:56:59.200 --> 1:57:00.800 in the middle of the night hearing music. When my 1:57:00.920 --> 1:57:04.000 dad was working like sort of second shift post office. 1:57:04.040 --> 1:57:07.400 He would get off work and I remember one night 1:57:07.600 --> 1:57:10.640 waking up hearing music and kind of creeping halfway down 1:57:10.680 --> 1:57:12.760 the stairs so I could see what was going on 1:57:12.760 --> 1:57:15.240 in the living room and there's like four cats playing 1:57:15.320 --> 1:57:18.120 saxophone in the living room at you know, two o'clock. 1:57:17.840 --> 1:57:18.320 In the morning. 1:57:18.680 --> 1:57:21.240 Well, that's because my dad would get off work, you know, 1:57:21.560 --> 1:57:24.200 wide awake work with some other guys that were also musicians, 1:57:24.640 --> 1:57:26.880 and it would be like, well, just come on over 1:57:27.000 --> 1:57:28.920 to my place and we'll jam. So they would jam 1:57:29.160 --> 1:57:30.720 like in the middle of the night when I was 1:57:30.720 --> 1:57:34.160 a little kid. So to me, music was just something 1:57:34.720 --> 1:57:37.520 that was just there and that was what people did. 1:57:37.680 --> 1:57:40.520 He had a huge, huge record collection and you know 1:57:40.920 --> 1:57:41.480 that whole thing. 1:57:42.280 --> 1:57:48.560 So, knowing your history and your vocabulary and knowing how 1:57:48.640 --> 1:57:51.520 much of a tredder you are in the rock influence, 1:57:53.760 --> 1:57:57.400 am I'd just assume that you chose that particular route 1:57:58.040 --> 1:58:01.600 to go straight rock to adapt into the environment that 1:58:01.680 --> 1:58:04.360 you were in, or like, did it just naturally speak 1:58:04.400 --> 1:58:05.000 to you, Like, well. 1:58:05.000 --> 1:58:06.480 It just spoke to me. It chose me. 1:58:06.680 --> 1:58:09.160 I mean when I was until I was in fourth grade, 1:58:09.240 --> 1:58:11.800 we lived in the Inner City. Then my dad it 1:58:11.920 --> 1:58:15.160 was really he really felt it important to move us 1:58:15.840 --> 1:58:21.280 out into a better school system. So but even while 1:58:21.480 --> 1:58:24.880 we were still you know, in the hood, it was 1:58:25.120 --> 1:58:27.480 it was guitar that spoke to me. I remember going 1:58:27.560 --> 1:58:30.360 through my dad's record collection and he had this King 1:58:30.480 --> 1:58:33.960 Curtis single and I flipped it over, played the B 1:58:34.240 --> 1:58:37.240 side and it was this rocous like rock and roll thing, 1:58:37.920 --> 1:58:41.080 and I was like mesmerized. I mean I would listen 1:58:41.160 --> 1:58:44.520 to it over and over again. So I just always 1:58:44.560 --> 1:58:46.720 felt like rock chose me. 1:58:46.840 --> 1:58:49.520 I didn't choose it. You know, it was in my 1:58:49.680 --> 1:58:51.240 DNA somehow, some way. 1:58:51.960 --> 1:58:55.400 What were the early bands that you joined before. 1:58:56.040 --> 1:58:58.000 I started a slew of bands? 1:58:58.080 --> 1:59:02.120 My first one, I was fourteen years old and I 1:59:02.200 --> 1:59:03.960 had to pay to get in my first gig. We 1:59:04.040 --> 1:59:07.280 played like the ninth grad dance, you know, Junior High had. 1:59:08.800 --> 1:59:09.680 The first gig. 1:59:10.440 --> 1:59:13.000 But you know it was like all like Grand Funk 1:59:13.120 --> 1:59:15.840 Railroad and you know, that whole thing, and the first 1:59:16.400 --> 1:59:17.080 several lands. 1:59:17.080 --> 1:59:20.360 Because I was in I formed or was in like 1:59:20.640 --> 1:59:22.040 nine different bands. 1:59:22.040 --> 1:59:24.640 Before the audition at Dell's Tire Mart, you know, all 1:59:24.680 --> 1:59:28.000 those years later, so you know, it was always about 1:59:28.160 --> 1:59:30.760 power trios in the beginning, you know, playing a whole 1:59:30.840 --> 1:59:33.560 lot of like Black Sabbath and led Zeppelin and Deep. 1:59:33.400 --> 1:59:37.720 Purple and you know, anything with long guitar solos in it. 1:59:38.200 --> 1:59:39.120 That's what it was about. 1:59:39.880 --> 1:59:43.280 So okay, well to hear this, this this tale the 1:59:43.360 --> 1:59:48.000 Two Cities, I mean, how expansive did your vocabulary And 1:59:48.040 --> 1:59:51.080 this is for Andre and I mean how expansive did 1:59:51.120 --> 1:59:56.400 your vocabulary have to be in order to get these 1:59:56.440 --> 1:59:59.720 soap hop gigs and whatnot? Like, you know, would you 1:59:59.760 --> 2:00:03.200 say that you're would you have to adapt to whatever 2:00:03.520 --> 2:00:06.160 environment you were in. If you knew that it was 2:00:06.200 --> 2:00:08.640 a high school for you know, black kids, you would 2:00:08.720 --> 2:00:11.880 know what the black stuff was. And then if you 2:00:12.440 --> 2:00:15.080 I mean, was it integrated audiences? 2:00:15.160 --> 2:00:18.480 By that point was in my background because we we 2:00:18.680 --> 2:00:23.560 had to literally go from playing little tiny towns you know, 2:00:23.680 --> 2:00:26.800 East Crevice, Iowa at the teen Center. 2:00:27.040 --> 2:00:29.480 You know where we would go from playing huge traveling. 2:00:29.600 --> 2:00:30.200 Oh yeah, I was. 2:00:30.880 --> 2:00:32.600 My folks used to have to write me notes to 2:00:32.640 --> 2:00:34.840 get me out of school early all through high school 2:00:35.000 --> 2:00:35.600 so I could go. 2:00:36.640 --> 2:00:39.000 We found a dude that could drive, and we would 2:00:39.040 --> 2:00:39.840 go and we would play. 2:00:39.960 --> 2:00:42.040 So we would have to go from like playing you know, 2:00:42.120 --> 2:00:45.600 an Emerson Lncoln Palmer song to an average white band 2:00:45.720 --> 2:00:47.480 song to you know whatever. 2:00:47.880 --> 2:00:49.240 So it was definitely about that. 2:00:49.360 --> 2:00:51.440 But again I had grown up seeing that because in 2:00:51.520 --> 2:00:54.240 the Twin Cities at that time, in the sixties, there 2:00:54.320 --> 2:00:58.440 were multi racial bands. There were bands that had you know, 2:00:58.920 --> 2:01:02.120 blacks and whites and Hispanics and and everybody. 2:01:02.520 --> 2:01:04.040 Some of the most popular. 2:01:03.720 --> 2:01:07.040 Bands in town were multi racial, and you know, so 2:01:07.400 --> 2:01:09.520 in this market, it was just it was just a 2:01:09.640 --> 2:01:10.320 different thing. 2:01:10.840 --> 2:01:13.160 Now you had to play the people's music. But that's 2:01:13.240 --> 2:01:13.880 just the way it was. 2:01:14.400 --> 2:01:17.480 So was it as utopian for you? Andrea's Oh was 2:01:17.520 --> 2:01:18.080 it just straight? 2:01:18.280 --> 2:01:26.680 Like no, no, no, We you know, we played phone 2:01:27.200 --> 2:01:29.200 R and B and we played in the hood. We 2:01:29.240 --> 2:01:31.600 played at one of the clubs called a Bucket of Blood. 2:01:32.840 --> 2:01:33.920 It was called Bucket of Blood. 2:01:33.960 --> 2:01:37.120 We literally my brother, I mean, you know, because like 2:01:37.200 --> 2:01:38.920 I said, we came from the other side of the 2:01:39.040 --> 2:01:42.240 town and so we were playing at you know clubs 2:01:42.280 --> 2:01:45.120 where you know, people were getting shot stabbed. 2:01:44.720 --> 2:01:47.280 And you know, my brother was there with his girls, 2:01:47.360 --> 2:01:49.200 and you know, it was just it was. 2:01:49.360 --> 2:01:52.160 It was a different reality, you know. And then my 2:01:52.240 --> 2:01:54.040 mom you know, would get a lot of our a 2:01:54.120 --> 2:01:57.720 lot of our gigs and so you know, and then 2:01:57.760 --> 2:01:59.800 you know, we played at barbecues, We played it back 2:02:00.040 --> 2:02:02.920 as you know, we played it, you know, anytime somebody 2:02:03.120 --> 2:02:05.640 was you know, having to get together. You know, sometimes 2:02:05.680 --> 2:02:08.160 there even be you know, parties people have down their 2:02:08.200 --> 2:02:10.320 basement and they want somebody to play and we you know, 2:02:10.440 --> 2:02:13.320 so we you know, it was it was, it was 2:02:13.360 --> 2:02:14.200 another reality. 2:02:14.880 --> 2:02:18.640 Okay. So at the rate where I kind of want 2:02:18.680 --> 2:02:22.440 to push it up a little bit that you guys 2:02:22.720 --> 2:02:28.080 paths cross because I assume that in Prince's first incarnation 2:02:28.280 --> 2:02:32.160 of the band included both Des and Andre. 2:02:32.400 --> 2:02:35.000 Well, Andre is definitely the og because you guys started 2:02:35.040 --> 2:02:36.400 out in school together. 2:02:36.560 --> 2:02:38.400 Right, But I mean at the rate where when he 2:02:38.560 --> 2:02:41.440 got a deal, like how big of a deal was 2:02:41.520 --> 2:02:47.840 that once it reached the local Minneapolis circuit, like one 2:02:47.880 --> 2:02:50.360 of us is gonna make it or that that's like 2:02:50.520 --> 2:02:51.560 was it a big deal or was. 2:02:51.560 --> 2:02:57.160 It just like okay, yeah, it was a big deal. Absolutely, 2:02:57.200 --> 2:02:58.400 it was a big deal. I mean it was like 2:02:59.520 --> 2:03:02.040 this is what we you know, what we had worked 2:03:02.120 --> 2:03:03.240 for and built. 2:03:03.040 --> 2:03:05.880 Up to I mean, was it was it awkward though, 2:03:06.000 --> 2:03:10.800 I mean, because I don't know if I'm pretty sure 2:03:10.840 --> 2:03:14.240 that with anyone it's like, okay, if we get there first, 2:03:14.240 --> 2:03:15.920 then I'll pull you with me and that sort of thing. 2:03:16.000 --> 2:03:18.960 But this is clearly like, okay, one of you is 2:03:19.040 --> 2:03:22.800 going to be the focus in the center of it, 2:03:22.960 --> 2:03:25.000 as opposed to it being a group situation. 2:03:25.560 --> 2:03:29.760 You know, it's interesting. I heard a I guess there 2:03:29.840 --> 2:03:33.240 was a documentary with Chris Moon, okay, because our band, 2:03:33.560 --> 2:03:36.160 you know, we had won a Battle of the Bands 2:03:36.920 --> 2:03:41.400 and one of the prizes was free recording studio time 2:03:42.240 --> 2:03:44.480 and I think maybe seventy five dollars or. 2:03:44.440 --> 2:03:44.800 Something like that. 2:03:45.280 --> 2:03:48.920 But so that's that's really kind of how it happened, 2:03:49.400 --> 2:03:51.720 you know, I know that it's you know, there's all 2:03:51.800 --> 2:03:54.320 sorts of different stories and everybody's got the myths and 2:03:54.400 --> 2:03:56.640 all that, but the reality is that's what happened. And 2:03:56.760 --> 2:03:59.920 Chris Moon, you know, heard us playing. He was trying 2:03:59.960 --> 2:04:02.680 to figure out how he could get in, you know, 2:04:02.840 --> 2:04:05.600 get in involved with this this band because at the 2:04:05.680 --> 2:04:08.960 time we were hot. We paid the dues and worked 2:04:09.000 --> 2:04:11.880 that way up and everybody was you know, really talking 2:04:11.920 --> 2:04:14.120 about us. I mean at the time. It was as 2:04:14.160 --> 2:04:16.560 a band, right, and it wasn't like oh just this 2:04:16.680 --> 2:04:18.760 guy or oh just that guy or what oh whatever, 2:04:19.920 --> 2:04:23.320 But cause he came in and if you watch the documentary, 2:04:23.360 --> 2:04:25.480 he says, you know, I went up to you know, 2:04:25.680 --> 2:04:26.960 cause he came up to me and he asked me, 2:04:27.000 --> 2:04:28.320 and I said, you need to talk to my manager. 2:04:28.360 --> 2:04:30.480 And then he went to Prince, he said, cause he said, 2:04:30.680 --> 2:04:32.920 he looked like he'd be the you know, easiest guy 2:04:33.000 --> 2:04:34.320 to sort of deal talk to you. 2:04:34.480 --> 2:04:37.840 Right, yeah, I would like to know at what point 2:04:38.480 --> 2:04:43.160 do you really push the envelope, because you guys weren't 2:04:43.480 --> 2:04:49.360 just an average group. I mean, your your television debut 2:04:50.840 --> 2:04:59.080 caused many many Uh yeah, I mean I I remember 2:04:59.200 --> 2:05:02.960 seeing a thing. It was Midnight Special before or after 2:05:03.040 --> 2:05:08.560 American Bandstand. They were real close together, close to the well. 2:05:08.840 --> 2:05:09.880 I remember. 2:05:11.040 --> 2:05:17.040 That whole story. I remember Midnight Special and just the 2:05:18.600 --> 2:05:24.160 utter tone and discuss my dad had about it, you know, 2:05:24.600 --> 2:05:28.320 and all he took away from it was no, no 2:05:28.440 --> 2:05:30.720 boys should be wearing no dipe on no stage like 2:05:31.840 --> 2:05:37.200 you guys just looked like nothing ever on, Like who's 2:05:38.880 --> 2:05:41.280 I mean, how are you guys like with a straight face? 2:05:41.440 --> 2:05:44.640 Like Okay, we're just gonna do things that we've never 2:05:44.720 --> 2:05:50.120 done before. I mean, how has that even come to fruition? 2:05:50.400 --> 2:05:52.160 Like who you know? 2:05:52.280 --> 2:05:54.320 I think a lot of what that that sort of 2:05:54.480 --> 2:05:57.080 natural chemistry between you and Prince when you just first 2:05:57.120 --> 2:05:59.560 saw each other in school that day. I mean I 2:05:59.640 --> 2:06:02.080 think that actually kind of play itself out in the 2:06:02.160 --> 2:06:02.800 band a lot. 2:06:02.920 --> 2:06:04.920 Absolutely well, it wasn't like you know, we we. 2:06:05.720 --> 2:06:08.240 So you guys even stood out even in the local 2:06:08.560 --> 2:06:12.560 localization of Yeah, no, I mean we were. You know, 2:06:12.680 --> 2:06:16.080 it's like, who is your closest competition band wise and 2:06:16.400 --> 2:06:21.760 nobody who's in second? 2:06:22.640 --> 2:06:22.680 No? 2:06:22.760 --> 2:06:24.840 No, no, I just meant in terms of when you 2:06:25.520 --> 2:06:28.560 I'm talking about in terms of Grand Central, what other 2:06:28.680 --> 2:06:29.960 band would you Okay? 2:06:32.040 --> 2:06:37.840 Uh, Sunny Thompson their band, They had the most unbelievable 2:06:38.560 --> 2:06:41.840 band in the city at the time, bar and I 2:06:41.920 --> 2:06:43.840 mean like, I mean I would go see them. I 2:06:43.920 --> 2:06:48.440 mean I was, you know, I was extremely cocky. You know, 2:06:48.520 --> 2:06:50.760 I was like, I you know, my attitude about being 2:06:50.800 --> 2:06:53.160 a musician because I really felt like, if you really 2:06:53.200 --> 2:06:55.240 do what you're supposed to do, practice and play and 2:06:55.360 --> 2:06:57.360 all that kind of stuff, then you know, you pay 2:06:57.440 --> 2:06:59.000 the cost to be the boss. So I would talk 2:06:59.080 --> 2:07:01.400 a lot of trash and just you know, it was 2:07:01.520 --> 2:07:04.760 basically in my nature at the time, you know, you know, 2:07:04.800 --> 2:07:06.480 Prince was a little more laid back, but I was 2:07:06.840 --> 2:07:09.280 probably the opposite of that. So I was always talking trash. 2:07:09.600 --> 2:07:11.400 But the one band and I didn't talk. You know, 2:07:11.480 --> 2:07:13.560 I went I remember going to one of their gigs 2:07:14.160 --> 2:07:16.400 a you know, thinking about t I went there specifically 2:07:16.480 --> 2:07:18.240 to talk trash so we could that's how we would 2:07:18.280 --> 2:07:21.160 get gigs mm And I went there specifically, you know, 2:07:21.320 --> 2:07:23.240 to talk talk trash. And I went there and I 2:07:23.360 --> 2:07:26.160 was like, cause Sonny was killing it and the drummer 2:07:26.520 --> 2:07:27.360 and then Randy Barber. 2:07:27.440 --> 2:07:28.600 But the drummer was. 2:07:28.680 --> 2:07:30.240 Joe Lewis is still a friend of mine. I mean, 2:07:30.600 --> 2:07:34.080 Joe Lewis is just I mean, he was the coolest 2:07:34.680 --> 2:07:37.600 drummer ever because he would do all of this stuff 2:07:37.720 --> 2:07:40.080 that you know, you know, all the funky stuff, all 2:07:40.080 --> 2:07:43.080 the funky licks, but he just always had this ram 2:07:43.200 --> 2:07:45.120 and he had this fro and he just looked like 2:07:45.240 --> 2:07:47.160 I mean, it was the seventies and it was just 2:07:47.240 --> 2:07:50.600 he was the epitome of the cool drummer. And so 2:07:50.840 --> 2:07:52.760 I was just blown. I'm that just that, and I 2:07:52.840 --> 2:07:55.480 went back and said, we got up our game, you know, 2:07:55.960 --> 2:07:58.760 and so and that wasn't even a you know, distance act. 2:07:58.880 --> 2:08:01.680 That was like a distant way beyond our whole thing. 2:08:01.680 --> 2:08:03.560 And that's when I was like, we got out our game. 2:08:03.640 --> 2:08:07.280 So anyway, there's one particular project I would like to 2:08:07.320 --> 2:08:11.440 talk about that never really came to light unless you're 2:08:11.880 --> 2:08:17.680 deep in the bootleg circle, and that's the Rebels. What 2:08:17.960 --> 2:08:21.320 was the was the Rebels just like a weekend idea, like, hey, 2:08:21.440 --> 2:08:25.240 let's just for start as you guys record at the 2:08:25.280 --> 2:08:29.320 speed of sound and you know, the the entire project 2:08:29.360 --> 2:08:33.640 can be done within a week. So t to even 2:08:33.720 --> 2:08:36.320 have that much output in in such a little time, Like, 2:08:36.400 --> 2:08:38.960 what was the the beginnings of the Rebels or the 2:08:39.160 --> 2:08:41.440 idea of it? Or was that just a folklore that's 2:08:41.480 --> 2:08:46.760 only in Minnesota fan music? Mind? It's real? 2:08:46.880 --> 2:08:49.440 But yeah, I can I can tell you what the 2:08:49.640 --> 2:08:54.080 real give me the real I mean, like you know, 2:08:54.200 --> 2:08:56.320 I mean, I know the folk lore, but what was 2:08:56.400 --> 2:08:58.400 the what was the basis? The real deal is is 2:08:59.240 --> 2:09:03.360 he had a band of very talented musicians, you know, 2:09:04.280 --> 2:09:06.120 and you know we had done some stuff, you know, 2:09:06.400 --> 2:09:09.600 and we probably could have gone off and done other things. 2:09:09.920 --> 2:09:12.960 So rather than have us scramble out into different areas 2:09:13.040 --> 2:09:15.080 and go do solo things here on our own thing, 2:09:15.160 --> 2:09:17.960 then it might be a good idea to give them 2:09:18.040 --> 2:09:19.600 something to occupy themselves. 2:09:20.640 --> 2:09:22.520 So this is keeping from moonlighting. 2:09:23.280 --> 2:09:24.880 It's kind of like it's kind of like the same 2:09:25.040 --> 2:09:26.600 theory that some parents use. 2:09:27.080 --> 2:09:29.760 Well, would rather have you have the party here, We'll 2:09:29.800 --> 2:09:31.800 get the alcohol and make sure that you don't leave 2:09:31.840 --> 2:09:32.120 the house. 2:09:36.040 --> 2:09:36.800 But it was so fun. 2:09:36.880 --> 2:09:39.440 I mean, you know, we had I mean, we had 2:09:39.560 --> 2:09:41.480 so much fun. And that was that was you know, 2:09:41.520 --> 2:09:43.080 I got to know Des a whole lot better. 2:09:43.160 --> 2:09:45.160 And does why didn't you guys come out? 2:09:45.360 --> 2:09:49.720 Dez is one of the funniest dudes on the planet Earth. 2:09:49.800 --> 2:09:52.600 He kept me and Stitch especially that project go ahead. 2:09:52.600 --> 2:09:55.120 I'm sorry, Yeah, why didn't it come out? 2:09:56.320 --> 2:10:01.080 It was a decision that was never really clear articulated 2:10:01.120 --> 2:10:04.160 to us, you know what I mean, which happened from 2:10:04.200 --> 2:10:06.320 time to time subsequently, because. 2:10:06.040 --> 2:10:09.320 Those songs weren't complete. There's at least five or six 2:10:09.400 --> 2:10:11.760 that oh yeah, it could have easily been on the 2:10:11.840 --> 2:10:12.640 Dirney Mine record. 2:10:12.720 --> 2:10:15.600 Yeah, it was a record, and it had the different 2:10:15.640 --> 2:10:18.240 personalities of the different members of the band because everybody 2:10:18.320 --> 2:10:21.000 wrote stuff and everybody brought things to the table, and 2:10:21.160 --> 2:10:24.560 that was his His vision was that everybody contribute, you know, 2:10:24.960 --> 2:10:27.880 so personally maybe you know something I know, but I 2:10:27.880 --> 2:10:28.880 don't know what happened to it. 2:10:29.040 --> 2:10:31.320 Who always in this band? Who exactly were the members? 2:10:32.360 --> 2:10:34.640 It was the band, yeah, Andre and I. Gail Chapman 2:10:34.720 --> 2:10:37.920 was a keyboard player at the time, and it was 2:10:38.000 --> 2:10:39.880 the same band. But I guess Prince would have lessened 2:10:39.960 --> 2:10:41.920 his rule and made it less about him and more 2:10:41.920 --> 2:10:45.160 about a band unit. At least that was the idea, 2:10:45.240 --> 2:10:48.280 I assume, yeah, And I think. 2:10:49.160 --> 2:10:53.040 What happened because the record company when they got it, 2:10:53.440 --> 2:10:56.360 they wanted thriller or killer to be the single. 2:10:56.920 --> 2:10:57.680 Yeah, and. 2:10:59.560 --> 2:11:01.440 That probably might have been a b you know, cause 2:11:01.440 --> 2:11:03.480 the whole life, the whole idea was to get the 2:11:03.600 --> 2:11:06.560 band and occupy them until we did the next to 2:11:06.640 --> 2:11:09.720 already finished, you know, his next record, to put out 2:11:09.720 --> 2:11:12.000 a single with one of the band numbers, you know, 2:11:12.080 --> 2:11:16.960 this song as the lead single. It could maybe be successful, 2:11:17.520 --> 2:11:21.080 which would change sort of, you know, you could lose 2:11:21.080 --> 2:11:23.840 a certain amount of control, you know, possibly, But you know, 2:11:23.960 --> 2:11:25.920 I think the thing is is it bottom line is 2:11:26.000 --> 2:11:30.040 I think everybody at the time were very dedicated to 2:11:30.240 --> 2:11:32.520 his thing, to his project. I know I was to 2:11:33.360 --> 2:11:35.200 So it was like, I mean, and I only found 2:11:35.240 --> 2:11:38.080 that out through obviously through the management, cause i'd you know, 2:11:38.160 --> 2:11:40.920 the manager was constantly talking to me because you know, 2:11:41.720 --> 2:11:43.440 you know, Prince wasn't a big talker. 2:11:44.280 --> 2:11:46.400 I know, it has to be word to mix friendship 2:11:46.480 --> 2:11:50.760 with business, and it's like, at one point you guys 2:11:50.800 --> 2:11:53.480 are best friends, but then like, clearly someone has to 2:11:53.560 --> 2:11:56.520 be the forty nine fifty one percent of it all 2:11:56.640 --> 2:11:59.920 and that could make it awkward. Probably the most notable thing, 2:12:01.080 --> 2:12:05.440 at least for both of you is that both of 2:12:05.520 --> 2:12:10.000 you stepped away from the camp and left camp right 2:12:10.080 --> 2:12:16.320 at the moment when the I I guess, the the 2:12:16.720 --> 2:12:20.200 the the climax or the explosion at least for what 2:12:20.320 --> 2:12:23.560 you guys have been relentlessly doing all these endless hours 2:12:23.600 --> 2:12:28.000 of rehearsal for. And you know we we've already discussed, 2:12:28.080 --> 2:12:34.600 uh the Rolling Stone situation, what's happened in LA and 2:12:35.080 --> 2:12:41.640 uh another segment. But at what point I mean, I'm 2:12:41.680 --> 2:12:44.680 not saying for regrets or anything like that, but I mean, 2:12:45.040 --> 2:12:47.680 how hard was the decision at least for both of 2:12:47.760 --> 2:12:50.120 you to step away at the times when you both 2:12:50.200 --> 2:12:53.840 did uh to to pursue your own career in your 2:12:53.880 --> 2:12:54.440 own interest. 2:12:54.880 --> 2:12:56.680 I mean, for me, it really wasn't hard at all 2:12:56.880 --> 2:13:01.080 because the the day that I auditioned at Dell's Tire Mart, 2:13:01.160 --> 2:13:04.480 the infamous fifteen minute audition, Prince and I went out 2:13:04.480 --> 2:13:07.760 in the parking lot. He asked me some very deep, 2:13:08.000 --> 2:13:12.080 very career minded questions for a young man of that age, 2:13:12.720 --> 2:13:17.280 and basically said, you know, he posed. 2:13:17.040 --> 2:13:17.800 It to me this way. 2:13:18.680 --> 2:13:20.560 Would you be willing to come help me do what 2:13:20.680 --> 2:13:23.440 I do? And then when the time comes, you know, 2:13:24.200 --> 2:13:26.840 you help me make this thing work, then I'll help 2:13:26.920 --> 2:13:28.680 you do what you do. So we had a deal 2:13:28.800 --> 2:13:31.360 from the beginning that at some point I was going 2:13:31.440 --> 2:13:34.800 to go back to being a front man, to be 2:13:35.440 --> 2:13:38.600 a band leader guy. So he came to me after 2:13:38.760 --> 2:13:42.360 nineteen ninety nine and said, look, here's the deal this film. 2:13:42.680 --> 2:13:48.040 I need a solid three year commitment to the films. Yeah, 2:13:49.080 --> 2:13:51.400 and at that point in time, I just couldn't get 2:13:51.480 --> 2:13:54.640 my mind around three more years. So the other option 2:13:54.920 --> 2:13:58.200 was management will take you on right now and we'll 2:13:58.200 --> 2:13:58.800 get your record. 2:13:58.840 --> 2:13:59.800 Do you can go do your thing? 2:14:00.360 --> 2:14:03.640 It just for me, it really really felt like I 2:14:03.800 --> 2:14:06.120 need to do this now. So it was it was 2:14:06.240 --> 2:14:08.280 not hard at all, and I was back out on 2:14:08.360 --> 2:14:11.520 the road within you know, four months. I was out 2:14:12.040 --> 2:14:14.600 solo shows first, then on the Rebel Yel tour with 2:14:14.680 --> 2:14:16.280 Billy Idol the special guest out there. 2:14:16.360 --> 2:14:20.360 Yeah yeah, I remember that, uh, Dre, I guess it 2:14:20.520 --> 2:14:24.160 should also be noted. I mean, you've done a lot 2:14:24.240 --> 2:14:27.560 of work, uh since your actually probably the the the 2:14:27.640 --> 2:14:32.680 most notable is uh your production for Jody Whitley's uh 2:14:33.760 --> 2:14:37.520 first three, first three albums. What was that transition like? 2:14:37.880 --> 2:14:41.200 And I mean what was the feeling to I mean 2:14:41.280 --> 2:14:44.520 really really truly score. I mean because this wasn't just 2:14:44.680 --> 2:14:47.960 like you know, throw it on the wall and see 2:14:48.000 --> 2:14:49.560 if this you know type of m I mean, this 2:14:49.680 --> 2:14:54.280 was really impactful and it was Grammy nominated, well it won, 2:14:54.760 --> 2:14:57.080 you know, yeah, so what was that just process? 2:14:57.320 --> 2:14:57.360 Like? 2:14:57.960 --> 2:14:59.600 Well, I'd have to agree with that as it was 2:14:59.720 --> 2:15:04.280 easy easy to leave that situation, not just because it's like, 2:15:04.440 --> 2:15:07.160 you know, my old thing was you know, three albums, 2:15:07.320 --> 2:15:08.600 you know about it. You know, that should give you 2:15:08.720 --> 2:15:11.080 enough time for your thing to jump off, and you 2:15:11.160 --> 2:15:13.440 know then I wanted because I never thought about being 2:15:13.480 --> 2:15:16.680 anybody's band so so, and then I did the solo 2:15:16.800 --> 2:15:19.120 stuff and I did space music and the record company 2:15:19.160 --> 2:15:19.640 didn't get it. 2:15:19.640 --> 2:15:20.400 And they didn't promote it. 2:15:20.880 --> 2:15:22.520 So I went and said, if you guys are not 2:15:22.560 --> 2:15:23.880 gonna promote it, why don't you just drop me. 2:15:23.880 --> 2:15:26.280 They wouldn't drop me. They heard Kelly's eyes and didn't 2:15:26.320 --> 2:15:27.160 feel like, yo. 2:15:27.600 --> 2:15:31.120 This isn't like and so I mean, but that's that 2:15:31.280 --> 2:15:33.480 was it, and so they wouldn't let me off the label. 2:15:33.520 --> 2:15:36.000 So I quit recording, and so I thought, well, I 2:15:36.080 --> 2:15:38.680 gotta make some money. And I met Jodie when I 2:15:38.800 --> 2:15:44.200 was doing the video for Fans Electric, and you know, 2:15:44.280 --> 2:15:47.760 we wound up hanging out and I was like, you 2:15:48.880 --> 2:15:51.080 are really really talented. 2:15:51.120 --> 2:15:51.600 You should you know. 2:15:51.680 --> 2:15:54.000 And she had some some stuff that she was working on, 2:15:55.200 --> 2:15:58.120 and I was like, I'd love to, you know, shoot 2:15:58.160 --> 2:16:01.680 you some tracks, and I shout up, I think five tracks, 2:16:01.760 --> 2:16:04.600 and she wrote lyrics to him, and I guess the 2:16:04.680 --> 2:16:05.640 rest is history. 2:16:05.360 --> 2:16:08.360 And he started working on That's amazing. I wish I 2:16:08.440 --> 2:16:10.200 had more time because I have so much more I 2:16:10.280 --> 2:16:12.680 want to ask, but I want to thank you Des 2:16:12.720 --> 2:16:15.120 and Andre for being on the show. And we'll be 2:16:15.200 --> 2:16:22.960 back with Susannah Melvoyn Wow, What can I say about 2:16:23.000 --> 2:16:26.960 our next guest? One of my favorite favorite people ever. 2:16:28.640 --> 2:16:33.840 Can't say enough about Susannah Melboyn, twin sister of Wendy 2:16:33.920 --> 2:16:40.000 Melvoy and member of the Family Seminal Group, who's nineteen 2:16:40.080 --> 2:16:44.040 eighty five record Like had tremendous influence on me, and 2:16:45.280 --> 2:16:48.600 not to mention just her presence alone is inspired so 2:16:50.400 --> 2:16:55.800 much life changing material. Welcome Susannah Melvoy to Quest Love Supreme. 2:16:58.320 --> 2:16:59.400 Susanna's Pajamas. 2:16:59.680 --> 2:17:01.480 Yes, Susanna, how are you? 2:17:01.879 --> 2:17:02.400 I'm good? 2:17:03.080 --> 2:17:07.680 I have to know growing up in such a musical 2:17:07.720 --> 2:17:13.320 family in California. And first of all, do you play 2:17:13.480 --> 2:17:18.640 any instruments? Because I'm curious about siblings who where one 2:17:18.720 --> 2:17:22.240 particular sibling picks up an instrument and the other doesn't. 2:17:22.440 --> 2:17:27.000 I know that Alan Leeds's brother, Eric's a monster saxophonist, 2:17:27.080 --> 2:17:31.720 but doesn't necessarily he doesn't play instruments himself. Like, are 2:17:31.800 --> 2:17:33.360 you do you play any instruments? 2:17:33.800 --> 2:17:38.160 Well, I, like many singers, I can play the guitar, 2:17:38.280 --> 2:17:41.720 I can play piano, but that's not the that's not 2:17:41.800 --> 2:17:45.480 what I do. Okay, So yeah, no, I was well, 2:17:45.520 --> 2:17:49.800 while Wendy was playing guitar lessons, I was ballet answer, 2:17:50.120 --> 2:17:54.040 and then we were both session singers as kids because 2:17:54.080 --> 2:17:54.560 of my dad. 2:17:54.959 --> 2:18:00.040 So, I mean, in did you have any design I 2:18:00.160 --> 2:18:04.320 used to become singing yourself? You were you just you 2:18:04.480 --> 2:18:06.880 just happen to have a good singing voice. And that 2:18:07.080 --> 2:18:07.240 was that. 2:18:07.440 --> 2:18:11.520 And you know, I never thought of anything else ever 2:18:12.640 --> 2:18:18.520 I had. I was terrible in school. I was great 2:18:18.680 --> 2:18:23.000 in art, and I was horrible in school. And I 2:18:23.400 --> 2:18:25.800 was thankful that. I was like, I don't need to 2:18:25.840 --> 2:18:27.840 go to school anyway, because I I have this other 2:18:27.879 --> 2:18:30.160 thing I want to do, and that's all I know 2:18:30.280 --> 2:18:32.520 how to do. That's that's what I do. That's what 2:18:32.640 --> 2:18:35.920 I was born into. Wendy and I and even and Lisa, 2:18:36.480 --> 2:18:39.800 all of our families grew up together. Our parents were 2:18:40.120 --> 2:18:43.440 session players and they were wrecking crew, and we just 2:18:43.800 --> 2:18:47.160 we were just in music all the time. We went 2:18:47.200 --> 2:18:49.199 to schools where you know, you had to play recorder 2:18:49.320 --> 2:18:51.720 and nursery school and you had to play violin in 2:18:51.760 --> 2:18:55.160 the second grade, and you were we were. Wendy and 2:18:55.200 --> 2:18:57.480 I were in all state choruses. And it says, you know, 2:18:57.959 --> 2:19:01.400 we just that's what we did. And but there was 2:19:01.480 --> 2:19:02.240 a time when. 2:19:02.680 --> 2:19:05.800 Your sister mentioned something when she talked about her first 2:19:05.920 --> 2:19:10.760 encounter with Prince and she said, it's so as a 2:19:10.840 --> 2:19:12.600 matter of fact that it didn't even hit me to 2:19:12.760 --> 2:19:16.440 question it. She said, we were thirteen years old inside 2:19:16.480 --> 2:19:19.240 of a nightclub. I'm like, wait, what was the carning 2:19:19.440 --> 2:19:24.040 policy or y'all that developed physical? Yeah, I was going 2:19:24.120 --> 2:19:29.000 to say kind of both. It was you know, before 2:19:29.040 --> 2:19:30.920 those times where you know, I don't know how we. 2:19:30.920 --> 2:19:32.880 Got away with it, but dad were going out tonight. 2:19:33.560 --> 2:19:34.760 How old are you thirteen? 2:19:35.120 --> 2:19:35.320 Yeah? 2:19:35.640 --> 2:19:37.080 So as I was picking us up, we're going to 2:19:37.120 --> 2:19:39.960 go to the Starwood and uh oh he told them 2:19:39.959 --> 2:19:44.480 the truth right straight up? Oh, straight up, like we're 2:19:44.480 --> 2:19:45.240 going to library. 2:19:45.840 --> 2:19:49.280 No, no, no, no no. I went to church to 2:19:49.400 --> 2:19:52.120 sneak to see the Thanksgiving purple range that I got 2:19:52.160 --> 2:19:52.680 a busman. 2:19:52.920 --> 2:19:53.880 Oh, this was crazy. 2:19:53.959 --> 2:19:56.480 Wendy and I would go at thirteen year old girls 2:19:57.160 --> 2:20:00.040 and we would We were the only I don't I 2:20:00.200 --> 2:20:01.800 know how it happened, but Wendy and I were the 2:20:01.879 --> 2:20:04.840 only girls at thirteen who were not going out to 2:20:05.000 --> 2:20:07.560 do dope or we were. 2:20:07.520 --> 2:20:10.160 Going out to dance. That's all Wendy and I wanted 2:20:10.200 --> 2:20:14.760 to do. We were kids that we were so heavy 2:20:14.879 --> 2:20:18.720 into disco We were just such dancers. We were just 2:20:19.120 --> 2:20:21.400 we were doing the line, we were doing the hustle, 2:20:21.480 --> 2:20:24.199 we were doing everything. We were doing all this new stuff. 2:20:24.680 --> 2:20:28.400 We went to school with. We went to this crazy 2:20:28.440 --> 2:20:31.280 little art school and the Jackson five had gone to 2:20:31.320 --> 2:20:34.120 this school. Michael had graduated already, but Randy was in 2:20:34.760 --> 2:20:37.520 a grade or grade or two ahead of us. And 2:20:37.640 --> 2:20:39.440 we'd sit in the parking lot and we'd do line 2:20:39.520 --> 2:20:42.600 dances together and do all that, you know, just crazy. 2:20:42.720 --> 2:20:45.760 It was all about us dancing and are you going 2:20:45.840 --> 2:20:47.760 to go to Xenons tonight? Are you going to go 2:20:47.800 --> 2:20:49.640 to blah blah blah, We're going to We're going to 2:20:49.720 --> 2:20:51.840 Star Wars on Saturdays. 2:20:52.000 --> 2:20:54.959 Is an amazing thing when it works out perfectly well. 2:20:54.959 --> 2:20:56.760 When you've got kids that come home and they're not, 2:20:57.720 --> 2:21:00.560 you know, effed up and they've just been dancing all night, 2:21:00.920 --> 2:21:02.680 there's something that you know, and if your kids are 2:21:02.720 --> 2:21:04.720 sort of straight up, I guess we were, you know, 2:21:04.920 --> 2:21:07.879 or my my father was a knucklehead. 2:21:09.160 --> 2:21:11.400 So did you just meet Prince at the same time 2:21:11.440 --> 2:21:14.960 that Wendy Metmore did you come in later? When do 2:21:15.080 --> 2:21:17.040 you realize, like, oh god, there's another one of you. 2:21:17.440 --> 2:21:19.760 I was working when I got out of high school. 2:21:19.879 --> 2:21:24.080 And this was right before I got the gig with Quincy. 2:21:24.240 --> 2:21:27.280 I was working for David Geffen. Got out of high school, 2:21:27.280 --> 2:21:29.760 I got a gig answering the phones at Geffen Records, 2:21:30.840 --> 2:21:32.560 the David Geffen Company, and after awhile, I'd be like, 2:21:32.720 --> 2:21:34.120 have a cup of coffee company, Have a cup of 2:21:34.160 --> 2:21:36.520 coffee company, David Effen Company, Have a cup of coffee company. 2:21:37.000 --> 2:21:40.320 It was just running, running, running anyway. Christmas Party nineteen 2:21:40.400 --> 2:21:45.520 eighty whatever. I'm seventeen years old, Christmas party for Warner Brothers, 2:21:46.680 --> 2:21:51.840 and I already know Lisa's got the gig already, Like, hey, 2:21:51.959 --> 2:21:55.000 my sister's got gigging Wendy and I'd been listening to 2:21:55.040 --> 2:21:57.840 those records. We'd be dancing at the Starwood too. You know, 2:21:58.000 --> 2:21:59.320 I want to be your lover and all of that. 2:21:59.400 --> 2:22:08.120 We're like, who this woman? So I, you know, I 2:22:08.240 --> 2:22:11.240 get this silly outfit and my first time, like you're 2:22:11.240 --> 2:22:14.080 gonna go to a really big corporate party, and I 2:22:14.240 --> 2:22:15.920 just was like, oh God, I can't believe I'm gonna 2:22:15.920 --> 2:22:17.600 do this. I had my hair permed and it looked 2:22:17.640 --> 2:22:19.480 like a poodle and it would just like the whole 2:22:19.560 --> 2:22:22.840 thing would move at once with the wind and it 2:22:23.000 --> 2:22:27.760 was a silly little black thing. I just felt ridiculous. 2:22:28.480 --> 2:22:31.840 And I walk in and there's Prince in Vanity standing 2:22:31.879 --> 2:22:35.280 at the wall, two of them together. Me, my little 2:22:35.280 --> 2:22:41.800 little self. Hi, I'm Wendy's twin sister, Susannah. I just 2:22:41.840 --> 2:22:42.480 wanted to meet you. 2:22:42.520 --> 2:22:43.039 And say hi. 2:22:43.280 --> 2:22:51.200 And you know, no clue that like, And. 2:22:52.760 --> 2:22:56.680 He gave me that sweet little smile and he said, 2:22:57.280 --> 2:23:01.240 Wendy's your sister, right. I said, Lisa is my sister too, 2:23:01.720 --> 2:23:01.920 and he. 2:23:02.040 --> 2:23:02.440 Was like oh. 2:23:03.280 --> 2:23:06.240 And then Vanity leans down, she grabs my face and. 2:23:06.280 --> 2:23:08.000 She goes, ooh, you're so cute. 2:23:08.080 --> 2:23:16.560 What theouts are? 2:23:17.000 --> 2:23:21.400 And I was like, great, okay, bye, are you cute? 2:23:21.720 --> 2:23:26.160 Aren't you cute? Cut to Purple Rain rehearsals. She's out 2:23:26.240 --> 2:23:29.480 the door, walking out the door, the last day of 2:23:29.640 --> 2:23:34.000 her gig. She's out. It's like, we gotta find another lead. 2:23:34.720 --> 2:23:39.480 And here comes Susannah walking in to rehearsal and she 2:23:39.760 --> 2:23:40.440 came right. 2:23:40.400 --> 2:23:40.760 Up to me. 2:23:41.400 --> 2:23:43.360 You're gonna have the best time ever here. 2:23:43.959 --> 2:23:44.240 Wow. 2:23:49.000 --> 2:23:52.280 And I literally I was like, I kind of gave 2:23:52.360 --> 2:23:54.520 her like, why do you keep talking to me like this? 2:23:55.080 --> 2:23:57.680 And I could see him and he looked over and 2:23:57.760 --> 2:24:03.280 he was like took his head like that. And that 2:24:03.440 --> 2:24:07.840 is funny because Des had his birthday party and shortly 2:24:09.080 --> 2:24:11.800 at like within that weekend. It was in August, and 2:24:12.200 --> 2:24:17.760 I went to his birthday party and I'm sitting on 2:24:17.840 --> 2:24:23.040 the couch and incomes Prince. He comes walking in, he 2:24:23.320 --> 2:24:25.200 jumps on the couch, sits next to me, and he goes, 2:24:25.520 --> 2:24:29.920 did you dream of me last night? And I said, 2:24:30.280 --> 2:24:34.920 just so happens I did, and I had uh huh. 2:24:36.440 --> 2:24:39.360 And you know, there's other stories, but that's when it 2:24:39.400 --> 2:24:43.440 all started. That's when it all started. And then Prince 2:24:43.480 --> 2:24:46.040 had heard my demo. So we used to have we 2:24:46.160 --> 2:24:48.400 used to go to the airport and pick him up 2:24:48.480 --> 2:24:51.200 in Lisa's car and he comes stay with us at 2:24:51.240 --> 2:24:53.040 our when the three of us lived in this teeny 2:24:53.120 --> 2:24:56.320 little house on Melrose, and so we would go pick 2:24:56.400 --> 2:24:59.040 him up and Betty Flounder that was Lisa's car, and 2:24:59.160 --> 2:25:02.560 so it would be Lisa, we'd have Betty Flounder, and 2:25:02.640 --> 2:25:04.800 no Betty was around through all of Purple Rain, and 2:25:04.840 --> 2:25:07.520 even you remember, Betty Flounder was like an old Buick 2:25:07.600 --> 2:25:11.360 fifty six fifty seven Buick salmon colored, so we'd all 2:25:11.400 --> 2:25:14.160 go to pick up Prince with Betty Flounder. He called 2:25:14.160 --> 2:25:16.440 her Betty. We were all like in Betty Flounder, and 2:25:16.520 --> 2:25:17.520 he'd come and stay with us. 2:25:18.120 --> 2:25:21.280 I got two questions, huh, I got two questions. And 2:25:21.440 --> 2:25:23.280 I don't know if the fact that I come from 2:25:24.320 --> 2:25:29.160 and the era of music that was just so overdone 2:25:29.360 --> 2:25:34.480 with budgets and whatnot, but I would think during this 2:25:34.600 --> 2:25:37.520 time period, like like you guys were picking each other 2:25:37.640 --> 2:25:40.880 up from the airport. Oh yeah, First of all, Prince 2:25:41.000 --> 2:25:43.080 was taking a plane. Because in my head, I'm like, oh, he. 2:25:43.120 --> 2:25:44.800 Took a plane by himself. We go pick him up 2:25:44.800 --> 2:25:46.120 at the airport and he comes stay with us, and 2:25:46.200 --> 2:25:48.080 my cats would jump all over him and he'd be 2:25:48.200 --> 2:25:49.280 on the couch and he'd be. 2:25:49.320 --> 2:25:54.800 Like, least were a baseball caategory something to what you 2:25:55.040 --> 2:26:00.720 was like, what eighty for four? Was this post post purple? 2:26:01.080 --> 2:26:05.320 So okay, so at least in our heads, because I'm thinking, like, 2:26:05.480 --> 2:26:08.680 this guy cannot step out the door without getting mobbed. 2:26:09.360 --> 2:26:11.640 Now I know that some of that stuff is, you know, 2:26:11.800 --> 2:26:15.480 what we just saw growing up as kids. But he 2:26:15.959 --> 2:26:19.320 could take the plane and maybe one or two people 2:26:20.120 --> 2:26:21.160 be like, oh, there's. 2:26:21.040 --> 2:26:25.280 Prince and yeah, yeah, particularly with the three of us, and. 2:26:25.280 --> 2:26:26.760 I'll pick you up from the airport. 2:26:26.440 --> 2:26:28.240 But time you need to be here, and we'd be 2:26:28.360 --> 2:26:29.240 there and pick him up. 2:26:29.240 --> 2:26:32.920 And there's no prince sign like Prince Nelson, not during 2:26:32.959 --> 2:26:33.320 this time. 2:26:33.400 --> 2:26:33.440 No. 2:26:33.640 --> 2:26:36.360 But I imagine his flying outfit is different from his 2:26:36.800 --> 2:26:38.400 you know what I mean, Like his whole look is different. 2:26:38.879 --> 2:26:41.600 Who was always different? But he was a this is 2:26:41.640 --> 2:26:44.320 a beautiful kid. You know, he was a beautiful kid. 2:26:44.400 --> 2:26:46.320 I mean, and he would you know, just wear a 2:26:47.120 --> 2:26:50.680 you know, a vintage old you know, grandpa coat and 2:26:50.840 --> 2:26:53.440 he'd looked so beautiful in it. And he'd wear his 2:26:53.840 --> 2:26:57.600 you know, his jeans, and he'd wear a you know, 2:26:57.800 --> 2:26:59.840 whatever top I mean, and that's he just come out 2:26:59.879 --> 2:27:01.520 like that. I mean, there was no it wasn't like 2:27:01.640 --> 2:27:04.040 who's that weirdo? It's just like who's that cutie pie? 2:27:04.520 --> 2:27:06.600 And he'd be so confident and he'd be so happy 2:27:06.680 --> 2:27:09.760 to be coming and hanging and there was it. 2:27:10.480 --> 2:27:15.240 I just can't imagine him flying commercial or him all 2:27:15.400 --> 2:27:17.640 the time a Pinto or that sort of thing. 2:27:18.840 --> 2:27:19.720 Oh no, you. 2:27:21.320 --> 2:27:25.880 Not many people know how important this particular period of 2:27:25.959 --> 2:27:29.360 time was for him and for us because this was 2:27:29.480 --> 2:27:34.400 like this we became. It's so interesting because talking about 2:27:34.400 --> 2:27:41.520 it now, but we became like pals, but deep, like 2:27:41.879 --> 2:27:44.760 you know, not many people know that. Like he's sleeping 2:27:44.840 --> 2:27:47.080 on the couch and our cats are running and jumping 2:27:47.120 --> 2:27:49.440 on him, and he's saying, can somebody get the cats 2:27:49.480 --> 2:27:49.800 off me? 2:27:52.640 --> 2:27:54.680 You don't imagine prince sleeping on a couch in a house. 2:27:54.720 --> 2:27:56.760 An I'm gonna say that right from the job. 2:27:57.640 --> 2:27:58.160 No you don't. 2:27:58.200 --> 2:28:04.840 But then it's that's what it all threw. No, but 2:28:04.879 --> 2:28:07.080 I'll tell you a really funny story. So one of 2:28:07.120 --> 2:28:10.040 the nights he's there, we lived in this eighty bitty 2:28:10.360 --> 2:28:14.440 place and it didn't have bathroom door. It had one 2:28:14.480 --> 2:28:18.360 of those sort of saloon doors. It was horrifying, and 2:28:18.440 --> 2:28:21.640 it was in my bedroom and so it's like if 2:28:21.680 --> 2:28:23.800 anyone needed to do their business, it was like, Okay, 2:28:23.800 --> 2:28:25.600 everybody's going to get out of the house now, right, 2:28:25.800 --> 2:28:27.199 or nobody's gonna be around. 2:28:30.879 --> 2:28:31.440 Here anything. 2:28:31.640 --> 2:28:33.160 It's like just horrifying. 2:28:33.920 --> 2:28:36.360 So I'm in that room and. 2:28:38.760 --> 2:28:41.080 Lisa, when what am I supposed to you know, if 2:28:41.080 --> 2:28:43.200 I need to what you know, if I need to, 2:28:43.760 --> 2:28:47.720 she said, well, just tell her sleep the room. So 2:28:48.920 --> 2:28:50.160 nothing went further than that. 2:28:50.360 --> 2:28:52.680 But he did come into my room and he sat 2:28:52.800 --> 2:28:55.400 on my bed and I was on one side of 2:28:55.440 --> 2:28:58.800 my bed and I had this really crappy mattress and 2:28:58.840 --> 2:29:01.400 I had a huge, huge, deep dent in it. 2:29:02.160 --> 2:29:05.840 And he said, he went, you sleep in this thing? 2:29:06.520 --> 2:29:09.400 And he said do you have a job? And I 2:29:09.520 --> 2:29:11.280 was like, and he said, can't you get yourself a 2:29:11.320 --> 2:29:14.280 new mattress? How do you sleep in that? I was like, 2:29:14.840 --> 2:29:17.039 I sleep on that side. I don't sleep in the hole. 2:29:17.520 --> 2:29:17.680 Right. 2:29:21.959 --> 2:29:24.440 But I came home the next day from working for 2:29:24.520 --> 2:29:27.520 Deaf and Records David, and there was a huge mattress 2:29:27.560 --> 2:29:28.080 at my door. 2:29:29.200 --> 2:29:39.560 So it was like, so, yeah, yeah, you're a good lady, 2:29:39.560 --> 2:29:41.280 because I would have been like that for me or 2:29:41.400 --> 2:29:42.080 for us. 2:29:46.160 --> 2:29:47.920 That's that's so funny you should say that. 2:29:48.000 --> 2:29:51.040 I mean, it just never occurred to me at that 2:29:51.240 --> 2:29:54.840 point that like he was actually courting me in any way. 2:29:55.080 --> 2:29:56.720 I just, you know, I was just like, this is 2:29:56.800 --> 2:30:00.680 a really sweet gesture. And again he heard that demo, 2:30:00.800 --> 2:30:03.480 he heard that demo in that house, this one of 2:30:03.520 --> 2:30:07.640 these particular things. And he said, well, when you said up, 2:30:07.720 --> 2:30:10.240 can we play him the demo? And I said, no, 2:30:10.640 --> 2:30:13.400 don't play him anything. God, don't don't blame in. It 2:30:13.520 --> 2:30:17.280 was so flipped out because I loved everything he'd done. 2:30:17.840 --> 2:30:19.800 And I was working with Quincy. I was doing like, 2:30:20.320 --> 2:30:24.560 you know, session work, and you know, just wasn't that 2:30:25.560 --> 2:30:27.280 And I said, I want to hear it. And so 2:30:27.320 --> 2:30:29.040 I said, okay, I'm leaving the house. So I left 2:30:29.080 --> 2:30:33.120 the house, came back, and he came right up to 2:30:33.200 --> 2:30:37.280 me and he said, you want to come and do 2:30:37.400 --> 2:30:41.000 what we're doing, because wouldn't you rather do that? And 2:30:41.080 --> 2:30:45.080 I said yes and uh, and he said, well, I 2:30:45.160 --> 2:30:48.640 think I think you'd have a really good time. 2:30:50.200 --> 2:30:52.520 I said, wait, okay. Before I let you go, I 2:30:52.640 --> 2:30:53.279 just had to ask. 2:30:53.160 --> 2:30:55.840 One, Oh oh god, what a bummer that I'm just 2:30:55.879 --> 2:30:56.520 talking about this? 2:30:56.959 --> 2:30:58.680 No, no, no, I know, because there's so much more, 2:30:59.200 --> 2:31:02.440 but I I would like to discuss. Yeah. I know 2:31:02.600 --> 2:31:08.600 that he would often communicate with cassettes, which I mean 2:31:08.640 --> 2:31:10.560 blows my mind. I mean, if I'm in the studio 2:31:10.680 --> 2:31:12.960 making a song, I'm thinking like, Okay, how can this 2:31:13.040 --> 2:31:15.240 be a hit? How can like I'm not just gonna 2:31:15.280 --> 2:31:19.520 make like a song aimed at one person, like that's it. 2:31:20.320 --> 2:31:22.360 Instead of us talking out a problem or whatever, like 2:31:22.440 --> 2:31:24.760 here's the thing, I mean, how many cassettes have you 2:31:24.959 --> 2:31:29.040 received of like just stuff for like here just for you, 2:31:29.280 --> 2:31:34.840 like like of just custom made songs because that's me 2:31:35.000 --> 2:31:36.199 is an amazing aren't too. 2:31:39.520 --> 2:31:39.760 None? 2:31:43.920 --> 2:31:44.320 Even la? 2:31:45.080 --> 2:31:47.880 I mean the tapes that I would get, the tapes 2:31:47.920 --> 2:31:49.680 that I would get were on the floor of my car. 2:31:50.560 --> 2:31:55.080 You wouldn't hand them to me. They'd be dispersed at 2:31:55.080 --> 2:31:56.959 the bottom of the car, and so'd be like. 2:31:57.080 --> 2:32:00.720 Oh, oh, like these are for you or never put 2:32:00.800 --> 2:32:01.360 them in your hands. 2:32:01.400 --> 2:32:02.119 There mine now. 2:32:04.680 --> 2:32:06.520 No, I don't mean like songs just made that he 2:32:06.680 --> 2:32:10.280 just left there specifically for me. Well, I know that 2:32:10.600 --> 2:32:13.680 he made Lisa song strange way of saying I love you, 2:32:13.800 --> 2:32:14.280 like they had. 2:32:14.160 --> 2:32:17.680 An argument, whatever, and no anything anything that we did. 2:32:17.720 --> 2:32:18.119 Anything. 2:32:18.400 --> 2:32:21.400 He would specifically say, let's go in the studio. 2:32:21.959 --> 2:32:22.320 You and me. 2:32:22.879 --> 2:32:23.400 We're going in. 2:32:23.680 --> 2:32:26.320 Oh so you were there, just we're. 2:32:25.800 --> 2:32:28.000 Going in, You and I were going in, and then 2:32:28.240 --> 2:32:30.120 you're gonna hang here until you're I'm ready to have 2:32:30.200 --> 2:32:31.720 you come and sing your vocal and this is what 2:32:31.800 --> 2:32:33.520 we're doing and this is what I'm thinking about. And 2:32:33.640 --> 2:32:36.760 then that would be it. And then we'd listen to 2:32:36.879 --> 2:32:41.560 everything together in the car and that would go on 2:32:41.720 --> 2:32:43.920 for days and days and then we'd go in and 2:32:44.040 --> 2:32:46.080 do more overdubs or do you know it just be 2:32:46.240 --> 2:32:50.600 like that? But I was it was never, it wasn't 2:32:51.560 --> 2:32:54.280 It wasn't that much. It wasn't that disconnected, like here's 2:32:54.320 --> 2:32:56.920 your tape. It was like, we let's go. 2:32:57.120 --> 2:32:57.600 We're doing this. 2:32:57.720 --> 2:32:59.880 Yeah, we're doing Not that I'd even collaborate, but it 2:33:00.160 --> 2:33:03.240 was like there, you know, I need you buy my 2:33:03.400 --> 2:33:05.200 side because I'm gonna have you do this. But you're 2:33:05.200 --> 2:33:07.840 gonna be with me from the get go. Now, I'm 2:33:07.879 --> 2:33:10.720 not gonna call you at some point you're gonna come in. No, 2:33:10.840 --> 2:33:11.879 You're gonna be with me. 2:33:13.600 --> 2:33:16.720 Before we go. I gotta ask her the Starfish and 2:33:16.760 --> 2:33:20.120 Coffee Store. Okay, all right, for our listeners, could you 2:33:20.240 --> 2:33:25.199 please please please give us the genesis of the Starfish 2:33:25.240 --> 2:33:25.920 and Coffee Store. 2:33:26.280 --> 2:33:30.800 During the many, many car rides together, he would have, 2:33:31.200 --> 2:33:32.480 you know, occasionally asked. 2:33:32.280 --> 2:33:37.240 Me, wait before you say that you seen car rides? 2:33:38.879 --> 2:33:40.880 Or you just drive around the city listening to music. 2:33:41.000 --> 2:33:43.720 We'd live in the car, lived in the car. We 2:33:43.800 --> 2:33:48.080 would drive everywhere for any reason all the time, from 2:33:48.800 --> 2:33:52.119 vanilla milkshakes to going to Minnie Haha Falls and drinking 2:33:52.160 --> 2:33:55.000 that milkshake, then getting back in the car, listening to 2:33:55.080 --> 2:33:57.920 the music, listen to our music and talking, going to 2:33:58.000 --> 2:34:00.360 the lake, sitting at the lake, going back in the car, 2:34:00.560 --> 2:34:05.120 listening to more music. No, because he wasn't listening to it, 2:34:05.280 --> 2:34:07.680 like listen, how badass I am, although I'm sure he 2:34:07.920 --> 2:34:11.640 was doing that. It was work, you know, like we're 2:34:11.680 --> 2:34:13.400 listening to it. Does it sound right? What's it sound 2:34:13.480 --> 2:34:15.280 like in the car when we put something else on? 2:34:15.360 --> 2:34:17.280 And there were other there were times when we would 2:34:17.320 --> 2:34:19.600 listen to other records, you know, and it was the 2:34:19.680 --> 2:34:23.040 kind of records that he'd never heard before that you know, 2:34:23.120 --> 2:34:25.480 I had introduced him to, or Wendy and Lisa had 2:34:25.520 --> 2:34:27.760 introduced him to. And so we would listen to those 2:34:27.840 --> 2:34:30.640 records and you know, sonically and you know, the audio 2:34:31.040 --> 2:34:34.240 the became audio files, like how does it sound? And 2:34:34.320 --> 2:34:37.640 what was going on with those records? So but these 2:34:37.959 --> 2:34:40.960 this there were many of those rides, and you know, 2:34:41.040 --> 2:34:44.000 we would talk about our histories and our secrets and 2:34:44.280 --> 2:34:45.960 you know, what was it like here and would you 2:34:46.040 --> 2:34:47.840 do with that? And I'm going to take you over 2:34:47.920 --> 2:34:49.480 to where I grew up and what was it for 2:34:49.600 --> 2:34:51.800 you guys? And I would tell him about this one 2:34:51.920 --> 2:34:55.200 story about this girl Cynthia Rose, who Wendy and I 2:34:55.360 --> 2:34:58.160 were in school with from nursery school up into sixth 2:34:58.200 --> 2:35:00.960 grade and back in this particular other time. You know, 2:35:01.120 --> 2:35:06.000 nobody knew what autism was, but she was an incredible 2:35:06.800 --> 2:35:10.600 in just the most extraordinary girl. And he would ask 2:35:10.680 --> 2:35:12.720 me on occasional way, like, tell me about Cynthia, tell 2:35:12.720 --> 2:35:15.920 me about this story. And so we would tell I'd 2:35:15.920 --> 2:35:17.640 tell him and we'd laugh because I would get to 2:35:17.720 --> 2:35:20.360 the part where she would say, you know, she'd rock 2:35:20.480 --> 2:35:22.880 back and forth. She was like, would you have a 2:35:22.879 --> 2:35:24.000 breakfast this morning, Cynthia? 2:35:24.040 --> 2:35:24.840 She was like, I had. 2:35:24.840 --> 2:35:26.000 Starfish and Peevie. 2:35:29.320 --> 2:35:30.959 Yeah, starfish and peep. 2:35:31.560 --> 2:35:34.000 And you know what my favorite number is, It's twenty 2:35:34.680 --> 2:35:37.920 and she I mean, this was for years, and I 2:35:38.680 --> 2:35:43.680 loved her. I thought she was the sweetest coop ever, 2:35:44.080 --> 2:35:47.040 and you know, I just like that she was. It 2:35:47.200 --> 2:35:51.400 was just anyway, so this one particular day and I would, 2:35:51.560 --> 2:35:54.199 I want to say some in the fall of eighty five, 2:35:55.840 --> 2:35:57.040 we were at the house and we were in the 2:35:57.120 --> 2:35:59.000 kitchen and he came upstairs from the stud he said, 2:35:59.200 --> 2:36:01.760 can you you tell me the whole story of Cynthia again, 2:36:01.800 --> 2:36:03.480 can you tell me the whole thing with Cynthia Rose. 2:36:03.680 --> 2:36:05.280 He goes, can you write it down? And I was 2:36:05.360 --> 2:36:08.120 like sure, And so in detail, I'm writing him about 2:36:08.240 --> 2:36:12.680 you know who the class was. There was Kevin and 2:36:12.840 --> 2:36:16.880 Lucy and you know, Wendy and myself and many other kids. 2:36:16.959 --> 2:36:19.680 And there's Cynthia and there's my teacher, Miss Kathleen, and 2:36:20.480 --> 2:36:22.520 doing the whole day, what it was like to be 2:36:22.640 --> 2:36:26.640 with her, to watch her do her And he was 2:36:26.720 --> 2:36:28.720 like okay, And then I wrote down, you know, and 2:36:28.800 --> 2:36:34.040 then she would say a starfish and then he was 2:36:34.320 --> 2:36:38.480 He took it and he was like okay. He runs 2:36:38.480 --> 2:36:40.240 downstairs and the studio comes back up, and he says 2:36:42.560 --> 2:36:48.360 starfish and peepe. That's gotta go. He goes, do you 2:36:48.480 --> 2:36:51.320 mind if it's coffee? Because he goes, he goes, do 2:36:51.360 --> 2:36:53.280 you mind if it's coffee? Because I don't think I 2:36:53.320 --> 2:36:57.040 can sing peepe. I was like, it's all good, go ahead, 2:36:57.120 --> 2:36:59.720 you do what you gotta do, which and it was 2:36:59.800 --> 2:37:02.160 so sweet. It was like, yeah, I of course you're not. 2:37:02.160 --> 2:37:06.120 I gotta sing peepee. So he goes downstairs the studio 2:37:06.240 --> 2:37:08.920 and like six hours later, seven hours later, I mean, 2:37:08.959 --> 2:37:10.760 it's like early in the morning and he comes up 2:37:10.800 --> 2:37:15.160 and he says, come down, and uh, actually it was 2:37:15.200 --> 2:37:18.640 Susan who came to get me. And Susan Rogerson brought 2:37:18.680 --> 2:37:21.640 me back downstairs and he was standing at the console, 2:37:22.560 --> 2:37:25.440 exhausted and sweet little smile on his face, and he goes, 2:37:25.879 --> 2:37:29.400 here it is and he just pressed play and starfish 2:37:29.440 --> 2:37:32.320 and coffee was there, and yeah. 2:37:32.600 --> 2:37:33.200 Thank you for that. 2:37:33.560 --> 2:37:34.120 You're welcome. 2:37:34.800 --> 2:37:36.840 I have so much more, but I gotta wrap. 2:37:36.720 --> 2:37:37.760 It up another time. 2:37:38.120 --> 2:37:41.640 Yes, there's plenty more, Uh, Susannah melvoyn Uh, thank you 2:37:41.760 --> 2:37:50.520 so much. I have to say. Uh, that was an 2:37:50.879 --> 2:37:55.480 edgy location. We learned a lot about Minnesota and and 2:37:56.680 --> 2:37:57.959 and what it had to offer, and. 2:38:00.320 --> 2:38:02.040 That was like a pH d. That was a doctor 2:38:02.120 --> 2:38:04.760 of course, and all things Prince Minnesota. 2:38:05.840 --> 2:38:08.119 Like. The only thing we needed was Kirby Pucket. 2:38:07.959 --> 2:38:21.360 And Kirby's dad. Actually, oh, yeah's stead Kirby's dead. 2:38:25.920 --> 2:38:26.000 Uh. 2:38:26.160 --> 2:38:27.920 Learned that I'm a lazy bastard. I thought I was 2:38:28.000 --> 2:38:30.480 lazy just being your friend for the last few years. 2:38:30.520 --> 2:38:34.480 But now that I really learned about friends in his work, I. 2:38:34.560 --> 2:38:35.680 Need to get my ship together. 2:38:37.080 --> 2:38:38.480 It was a lot of stuff, but at the end 2:38:38.480 --> 2:38:41.119 of the day, it's about me, Like, yeah, shit. 2:38:41.040 --> 2:38:42.760 Together, I'm paid Bill. 2:38:43.280 --> 2:38:46.520 Why is everybody from Minnesota in a fucking musical family? 2:38:46.959 --> 2:38:49.120 Every one of them was like my dad played the dance, 2:38:49.200 --> 2:38:49.840 my mom did this. 2:38:50.200 --> 2:38:53.000 And I was just like, my parents are doctors, like 2:38:53.120 --> 2:38:54.440 I did this is like I. 2:38:54.480 --> 2:38:56.400 Thought to myself, I was wondering, like what it would 2:38:56.440 --> 2:38:58.119 be like to grow up it because you did grow 2:38:58.200 --> 2:38:59.880 up in a musical family, Like what that's like and 2:39:00.040 --> 2:39:01.880 how that because like music wasn't in my house. I 2:39:01.920 --> 2:39:03.440 didn't live in that world. Like I had to go 2:39:03.560 --> 2:39:05.680 find it myself. It wasn't on me, Like I didn't 2:39:05.720 --> 2:39:07.200 learn it at church, I didn't do anything. 2:39:07.920 --> 2:39:08.600 I don't know. 2:39:08.720 --> 2:39:12.840 It just music. The way they were presenting it was 2:39:12.920 --> 2:39:16.400 like music was like an option in my case, Like 2:39:17.760 --> 2:39:20.959 I don't know if my my mom was probably Jedi 2:39:21.120 --> 2:39:24.640 mind tricking me into music to keep me off the streets, 2:39:25.160 --> 2:39:26.800 really to keep me from getting my ass whoop by 2:39:26.840 --> 2:39:28.000 the neighborhood kids. 2:39:29.360 --> 2:39:32.400 Like Wendy and Susannah growing up in like the Wrecking 2:39:32.480 --> 2:39:35.240 Crew house, like it was that was an option. 2:39:35.600 --> 2:39:38.440 It just well, I'm amazed that they told the truth 2:39:38.520 --> 2:39:42.880 like We're going night and the fact you had parents 2:39:42.959 --> 2:39:44.720 that would be cool enough to be you know, I 2:39:44.800 --> 2:39:47.000 mean I worked in the nightclub, but I mean, you know, 2:39:47.120 --> 2:39:49.320 my parents, like they put me in the nightclub to 2:39:49.440 --> 2:39:52.320 keep an eye on me, to keep me from wanting 2:39:52.360 --> 2:39:55.160 to go to the nightclub, which you know, it didn't work. 2:39:59.000 --> 2:39:59.640 That's what I felt. 2:39:59.640 --> 2:40:01.720 I like, wow, yeah, that must be nice. 2:40:01.760 --> 2:40:03.320 Yeah, it's I didn't wanna say. 2:40:03.600 --> 2:40:07.280 Like wow, hashtag must be nice. Uh is there anything 2:40:07.320 --> 2:40:09.640 that we didn't cover? Built? I mean, you and I 2:40:10.080 --> 2:40:12.800 probably the biggest Prince fans that we know, Uh, like, 2:40:12.959 --> 2:40:14.039 did we missed something there? 2:40:14.240 --> 2:40:15.640 There was one thing I really wanted to talk to 2:40:16.640 --> 2:40:19.240 Matt and Bobby about, and that was the bullhorn incident 2:40:19.400 --> 2:40:21.520 on the plane when uh oh that led to the 2:40:22.560 --> 2:40:25.040 wh when when they all got taken taken taken to jail. 2:40:25.240 --> 2:40:27.320 There is so much that I wanted to ask about, 2:40:27.400 --> 2:40:28.640 but we just didn't have enough time. 2:40:29.080 --> 2:40:35.120 We need to do like four hours actually, I mean 2:40:35.160 --> 2:40:40.160 we had like just forty different Yeah. 2:40:40.720 --> 2:40:49.640 Yeah, Susanna, I'm proud off I mean to our supreme leader. 2:40:49.720 --> 2:40:52.760 Yeah that sounds very Jenny Jones. 2:40:53.360 --> 2:41:03.240 I just think that at least with Susannah alone, Like, 2:41:03.480 --> 2:41:05.920 you know, there's a lot that I wanted to go 2:41:06.000 --> 2:41:08.160 into but you know, I felt it was too soon, 2:41:08.360 --> 2:41:11.000 but like a lot like the Beautiful Ones, like all 2:41:11.080 --> 2:41:13.800 those songs were about her, but didn't feel ill to 2:41:13.879 --> 2:41:16.080 you yet that you know, even when Wendy was here. 2:41:16.120 --> 2:41:17.199 And I think that a couple of other. 2:41:17.160 --> 2:41:19.320 Band members the way did they feel about. 2:41:19.120 --> 2:41:21.480 You and what you've done? That was real? That was 2:41:21.560 --> 2:41:26.760 really well yeah, I mean I just it's again like okay, 2:41:26.800 --> 2:41:29.960 so I were interview in the car with No. It 2:41:30.120 --> 2:41:33.000 was I was in the car with Maya Gretchen from 2:41:33.000 --> 2:41:36.840 Princess last night and this weird Prince fan stopped the 2:41:36.920 --> 2:41:41.720 car and like actually said you know, he starts the 2:41:41.760 --> 2:41:45.480 sentence with I have one hundred thousand dollars and I 2:41:45.560 --> 2:41:48.320 want to give it to you just so I can 2:41:48.440 --> 2:41:54.360 tell you my life story. And well exactly I said 2:41:54.360 --> 2:41:57.000 it verbatim. Yes, I know Steve's like I me or 2:41:57.080 --> 2:41:58.119 you are exaggerated. 2:41:59.040 --> 2:41:59.800 Well, it was probably like. 2:42:05.959 --> 2:42:09.199 No, and it just hit me like, yo, Prince has 2:42:10.400 --> 2:42:15.000 the weirdest even watching that audience. Uh that when we 2:42:15.120 --> 2:42:20.000 went to see the Revolution show, he has the weirdest 2:42:20.080 --> 2:42:25.360 looking audience. I might just might have been arms length 2:42:25.840 --> 2:42:28.240 with my audience as well. If that were my Familyase, 2:42:28.280 --> 2:42:34.440 I'm not saying like, I'm not saying anything. There's a 2:42:34.440 --> 2:42:36.760 guy with the ones he wo like all these images 2:42:36.840 --> 2:42:41.240 of his body. No, it just I know that Prince 2:42:41.360 --> 2:42:44.119 fans can seem weird, and I know that Prince also 2:42:44.240 --> 2:42:49.160 felt a certain way about his male fans, I mean, any. 2:42:50.080 --> 2:42:52.720 Fans in general, because like he had the whole thing 2:42:52.760 --> 2:42:55.480 about the word fan how he hated the word because 2:42:55.520 --> 2:42:56.560 it was short for fanatic. 2:42:57.400 --> 2:42:59.920 Yeah, it's it's just you know how like the trick 2:43:00.160 --> 2:43:04.040 rabbit always had to conceal his excitement for tricks without 2:43:04.080 --> 2:43:05.640 you know, and then you get busted by the kids, 2:43:05.680 --> 2:43:09.440 and hey, guys, it's really me like, I don't ever 2:43:09.600 --> 2:43:12.560 want to be that guy, Like okay, I gained your trust, 2:43:13.640 --> 2:43:16.080 let me not let you know, like the only indication 2:43:16.200 --> 2:43:19.800 that they really gotten that. It's like, oh, mirror, his 2:43:20.200 --> 2:43:22.640 level of fandom might be average, you know, more than 2:43:22.640 --> 2:43:26.160 the average person was. Just like the demos that started 2:43:26.200 --> 2:43:32.680 pulling up in their present. Well, I mean I've I've 2:43:32.760 --> 2:43:35.720 learned that you gotta be cool in those situations. I know, 2:43:35.840 --> 2:43:38.600 for me, like fans be thinking like, oh man, if 2:43:38.600 --> 2:43:41.200 I mentioned that Japanese b side, you have and you'll 2:43:41.320 --> 2:43:48.879 know we're like organics. Yeah, yeah, that in order to. 2:43:51.120 --> 2:43:53.120 In order to like to the way to gain the 2:43:54.000 --> 2:43:56.720 I think it's like, wait, wait, wait before you answer, 2:43:56.720 --> 2:43:58.119 are you sure you want to give this this away? 2:43:58.200 --> 2:43:59.720 Before everybody starts trying. 2:43:59.520 --> 2:44:01.320 To know even though trust me, even if I gave 2:44:01.320 --> 2:44:04.800 it away, people will still okay, they'll still they'll still 2:44:04.959 --> 2:44:08.160 fu I think for me, and I mean for me 2:44:08.200 --> 2:44:11.440 and maybe different, I think there's a fine line. 2:44:11.560 --> 2:44:12.439 You know what I'm saying. 2:44:13.879 --> 2:44:16.680 For me is if I meet quote unquote a fan, 2:44:17.920 --> 2:44:19.640 the last thing I want to talk about is music. 2:44:20.000 --> 2:44:21.720 And I think this is just something for you know, 2:44:22.040 --> 2:44:25.160 whatever person you're meeting in that field, you know what 2:44:25.160 --> 2:44:25.560 I'm saying. 2:44:25.600 --> 2:44:27.480 If it's uh, you know, if they're. 2:44:27.400 --> 2:44:32.119 Actors, uh, sports people, whatever, that person has been talking 2:44:32.160 --> 2:44:34.920 about what they do all day every day, you know 2:44:34.959 --> 2:44:37.360 what I'm saying. If I'm Michael Jordan, you know what 2:44:37.400 --> 2:44:40.000 I mean. I don't want to talk about basketball. 2:44:40.240 --> 2:44:43.920 You know what I'm saying. From K I don't want 2:44:43.920 --> 2:44:49.880 to talk about you know, he ain't talking saying ship. 2:44:50.280 --> 2:44:51.720 But other than that, you know what I mean. 2:44:51.800 --> 2:44:56.080 I think you know there that being a an artist 2:44:56.160 --> 2:44:57.160 or being a famous person. 2:44:57.240 --> 2:44:59.520 Let's let's be clear to about fame. You know what 2:44:59.520 --> 2:44:59.880 I'm saying. 2:45:01.000 --> 2:45:04.040 I think, like my theory on famous is that it's 2:45:04.360 --> 2:45:05.720 kind of like jail, right, you know what I mean, 2:45:05.760 --> 2:45:08.240 It's like whatever year, Like how you know people say 2:45:08.320 --> 2:45:10.560 whatever year you go to jail in whatever age you are, 2:45:11.560 --> 2:45:12.720 that's the age you stay. 2:45:12.840 --> 2:45:15.120 You don't really develop past that point, you know what 2:45:15.160 --> 2:45:27.800 I mean. I think that, oh wow, you striking. But 2:45:28.040 --> 2:45:29.560 so it's like I think fame is the same way. 2:45:29.600 --> 2:45:32.400 I think whatever year, however age you are, that when 2:45:32.480 --> 2:45:35.760 you pop, like when you just become the man or 2:45:35.840 --> 2:45:38.320 the woman whatever, that's kind of you kind of live 2:45:38.360 --> 2:45:39.720 in a state of arrested development. 2:45:39.840 --> 2:45:43.880 So to me, the thing that is most endearing is 2:45:43.920 --> 2:45:45.840 when you meet people and they just talk to you. 2:45:46.000 --> 2:45:47.920 Just like regular fucking people. You know what I'm saying, 2:45:47.959 --> 2:45:49.440 Like I don't want to like. 2:45:51.200 --> 2:45:53.240 Or whatever, Like yo, you see that on Instagram and 2:45:53.400 --> 2:45:56.480 you see the twerking chip, Like we can just talk 2:45:56.520 --> 2:45:57.879 about just regular ship. 2:45:57.720 --> 2:46:00.160 You know what I mean. But it's weird. That's a 2:46:00.240 --> 2:46:02.000 hard middle to do because. 2:46:02.800 --> 2:46:06.080 I have people in my life that do the opposite, Like. 2:46:06.160 --> 2:46:07.960 A mere I'm gonna let you know you ain't ship, 2:46:08.360 --> 2:46:09.960 just to let you know, I don't want to get 2:46:10.680 --> 2:46:16.080 I got you. Yeah, and then they got people right now, 2:46:16.360 --> 2:46:19.000 the people to try to just take it too far. 2:46:19.560 --> 2:46:27.280 Just yeah, but that's that's being super obvious that it's 2:46:27.320 --> 2:46:31.240 an issue. But you're doing like I have. Probably this 2:46:31.440 --> 2:46:35.320 room is is as normal as Yeah. I mean, that's 2:46:35.360 --> 2:46:37.840 why I'm not saying I gathered you here like a 2:46:37.920 --> 2:46:47.360 master plan, like please get your kool aid st put 2:46:47.400 --> 2:46:55.640 all your Nike culture purple. I think they were I 2:46:55.720 --> 2:46:58.440 think they were hail o. Wait did they take that 2:46:58.600 --> 2:47:01.960 Nike off the off your place? Because not I think 2:47:02.000 --> 2:47:06.720 they might have went up in sales calls. Everything else's 2:47:06.760 --> 2:47:10.400 but well we we thank you to Sugar Steve you 2:47:10.480 --> 2:47:11.800 a little found of this episode. 2:47:16.040 --> 2:47:20.720 Shout out to Henley audio of thank you, Andrew Handlenk, 2:47:20.760 --> 2:47:22.040 great job, great job, thank you. 2:47:22.560 --> 2:47:24.360 Because I'll be honest, I thought we were all just 2:47:24.440 --> 2:47:25.160 going to have to turn on. 2:47:26.959 --> 2:47:29.840 That was my first plan when you said this, Yeah, 2:47:30.480 --> 2:47:34.280 everybody bring an iPhone. I thought it was interesting. 2:47:35.120 --> 2:47:38.199 Everybody who was interviewed there you were sort of pressing 2:47:38.240 --> 2:47:41.400 them on when Prince would make them, you know, stand 2:47:41.440 --> 2:47:43.480 there and loop some music for an hour or two 2:47:43.560 --> 2:47:46.360 hours whatever while he practices dancing, and nobody seemed to 2:47:46.400 --> 2:47:48.920 resent anything. Everybody saw that there was a purpose behind it, 2:47:49.040 --> 2:47:50.280 and they kind of took pride in it. 2:47:51.080 --> 2:47:52.560 Like if you told me play. 2:47:52.480 --> 2:47:55.039 Drums four hours, you just sit there and watch. 2:47:54.879 --> 2:47:55.360 Me or whatever. 2:47:56.800 --> 2:48:02.080 You're fucking crazy, but you know, everybody seemed to see 2:48:02.200 --> 2:48:04.439 the method to his madness. 2:48:04.240 --> 2:48:04.400 You know. 2:48:04.760 --> 2:48:13.280 Yeah, so that was pretty cool. Well and going the hotel, 2:48:16.520 --> 2:48:20.040 all right, Well, this is an amazing, amazing episode of 2:48:20.200 --> 2:48:22.840 Quest Love Supreme. Hope you guys join us next time. 2:48:23.680 --> 2:48:28.920 Uh on behalf of Quest Love Fante Bill both unpaid 2:48:29.160 --> 2:48:32.920 and Boss Bill Layah Steve. Hope you join us next 2:48:32.959 --> 2:48:37.400 Wednesday for another episode. Uh I guess what one PM 2:48:38.120 --> 2:48:45.560 and ten a m specific standard time specific specific, yes, specific. 2:48:48.920 --> 2:48:53.120 This is Quest Love signing off Quest Love Supreme. Thank 2:48:53.160 --> 2:49:00.120 you very much, Quest Love Supreme. It's a production in 2:49:00.160 --> 2:49:03.880 our iHeartRadio. This classic episode was produced by the team 2:49:04.160 --> 2:49:15.920 at Pandora. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 2:49:16.200 --> 2:49:19.200 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.