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Speaker 1: Questlove Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode

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Speaker 1: was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: this is QLs classic. My name is Quest Love, and

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Speaker 1: we go back in the archives to September twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: some months after Prince's death. The members of his legendary band,

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Speaker 1: The Revolution, gathered together can give us reflective moments of

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Speaker 1: his life and his career. We hope you enjoy. Here

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Speaker 2: Suprema Supremo So some Supremo who call Suprema su su

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Speaker 1: My name is Questo? Yeah, shut up already, damn. This

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Speaker 1: is a special Purple News. Dearly beloved, check this out.

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Speaker 1: This is Questlove and you're tuned to a very special

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Speaker 1: episode of Questlove Supreme, only on Pandora. Right now, I

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Speaker 1: think it's about time that me and the whole Team

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Speaker 1: Supreme take a road trip up to Uptown, up the

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Speaker 1: mini wood of the Minneapolis, the home of the legendary

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Speaker 1: Prince Rogers Nelson. That's right, We're going on a road trip,

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Speaker 1: all of us, all of Teams Supreme, Von Tigelow Sugar, Steve, Unpaid, Bill,

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Speaker 1: Boss Bill, and now our recent edition Life this very

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Speaker 1: special Minneapolis episode of Quest Love Supreme, We're going to

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Speaker 1: talk to one of the hardest working bands of all time.

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Speaker 1: That's right. I say they're the hardest working band. No

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Speaker 1: band has prep more, rehearsed more and perfective more the

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Speaker 1: Revolution Prince's band, that's right. I know you're like the

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Speaker 1: Revolution exactly. We got them all. We got Bobby C.

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Speaker 1: We got Brown One, Doctor Fink went Da Lisa. We

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Speaker 1: also got de Dickerson, and we got Andre Simo, and

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Speaker 1: we got s Sanna Milk, the subject of many a

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Speaker 1: print song. So, without further ado, or if you're right

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Speaker 1: back with Bobby Z, Brown Mark, Doctor Fink, must Leaf

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Speaker 1: Sepree only on Pandora without further ado, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: I'll probably say probably one of the most influential group

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Speaker 1: members of of I don't know, I mean behind the

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Speaker 1: creativity and the work ethic. I know no other band

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Speaker 1: welcome Bobby z, h, Doctor Fink, and Brown Mark to

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Speaker 1: Quest Good. You're good, that's awesome. That's awesome. So I

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Speaker 1: have to, you know, there's so there's so many questions

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Speaker 1: the with the beginning, the very beginning of how the

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Speaker 1: group came together, but even before then, Like what were

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Speaker 3: Or I was raised here?

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Speaker 4: Born in uh Bronx, New York b Yeah, yeah, but

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, when did you move here?

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Speaker 1: How old were you ago?

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Speaker 3: I was about seven seventh, Okay, it's been a long time.

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Speaker 1: So what what brought you here?

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Speaker 4: My mother, she just wanted to Uh, my my dad

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Speaker 4: She just wanted us to be closer to his family

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Speaker 3: Think what about you, what's your your early big you

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Speaker 5: I was born here, okay, and uh, Bobby and I

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Speaker 5: So you could just you know, shoot downtown to Minneapolis

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Speaker 5: I told my parents that I really want to study jazz.

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Speaker 1: And well this isn't usual because most people, I would think,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, sir Bobby, both you and your brother.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, my brother David was kind of the godfather

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Speaker 1: So really, yeah, so David's old. David's eight years older. See,

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Speaker 1: So all all of that was the main that was

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Speaker 1: Did any of you guys have any like lofty goals

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Speaker 1: Did you feel there was a legitimate scene to nurture

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Speaker 5: Or it was more about getting to New York or

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Speaker 5: Prince got his deal with Warner Brothers, you know, but.

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Speaker 4: For me, I was on the I was like right

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Speaker 1: So how how did p into your Who's the first

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Speaker 6: And then I was in this this band, Kevin Odergarden.

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Speaker 1: And so I was with this band.

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Speaker 6: He took you to Mother's finance and the guy was

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Speaker 6: And and then we walked away from He goes, what

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Speaker 6: I'll let them answer. Mark and Matt get to that.

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Speaker 6: But I'll just tell you I was already on that clock,

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Speaker 3: That's where I met him, actually cooked in.

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Speaker 1: That's that's you got yourself.

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Speaker 3: I would get a sandwich.

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Speaker 8: When y'all with jam like that? Would he use those

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Speaker 6: Gave me the best advice I ever got. He looks

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Speaker 1: I mean of the hundreds of hours I've watched, I

440
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: mean I've watched concerts just to see how you react

441
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: to stuff, to queues and all that stuff. Has there

442
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 1: ever been a faux pile like, oh, I don't have

443
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:57,479
Speaker 1: a job tomorrow, Like oh, like twenty five times? I mean,

444
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 1: has water ever spilled doing it? Has a machine just

445
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: got off?

446
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 6: First of all, maybe I'm a star turn into Simon says,

447
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 6: So he's hiding his stop on the one.

448
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 1: Mark had to relay them to me because.

449
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 6: He would sell, he would go, he would just lose

450
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 6: himself or do it on purpose.

451
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: I never really knew, you know, it was like is

452
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: he just messing with us?

453
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 6: Or he would just go way over the way to

454
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 6: the corner over there, right, and then he'd look at

455
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 6: Mark and goes stop on the money, I can't see.

456
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they would go, you know. Yeah.

457
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 5: Besides that, though, the biggest problem was he would hold

458
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 5: his hands up, fingers up in the air to give

459
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 5: us how many horn punches?

460
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: And then it would if you if.

461
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 5: You saw it sideways like that, You're like, you couldn't

462
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 5: see how many, and then you know, he could tell

463
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 5: if you weren't playing, if you were like, well, no,

464
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 5: because I didn't see how many. You know, there's one.

465
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:59,239
Speaker 1: There's ones where Bill and I just discovered, h was it?

466
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: And New England somewhere Oh, the Worchester mass Show. Yeah,

467
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 1: we yell from one hundred. That's that's Atlanta. There's one.

468
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 9: Oh, but there's one in Boston where I think you, Bobby,

469
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 9: I think you actually played.

470
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: A little bit. Yeah, he did five extra Well, yeah,

471
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: it was no. The show was so loose, it was

472
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: doing possessed. The show was so loose that he actually said, Okay,

473
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you, and I'm gonna get you, and

474
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna get you, and I'm and I'm like,

475
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,479
Speaker 1: wait a minute, who challenges his band to mess up

476
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: an actual show? You know?

477
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I'll slay one more technical glitch that used

478
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 5: to take place for me.

479
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: Uh.

480
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 5: We were using the first what are called MIDI Musical

481
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 5: Instrument Digital Interface switchers for the keyboards, you.

482
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: Know, racks.

483
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 5: We'd have like racks of sounds and if you were

484
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 5: making a program change in the middle of your song,

485
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 5: and there would be sometimes several If you were holding

486
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 5: down notes or a stain pedal and you made a

487
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 5: program change, the whole thing would just lock up and

488
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 5: and whatever chord you were playing would keep playing and

489
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 5: you couldn't shut it off. So if you'd be sitting

490
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 5: there in the middle of the song and just be.

491
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm doing this, and.

492
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 5: Then we'd have to hit the panic button or the

493
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 5: keyboard tech would have to run over and hit the

494
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 5: panic and make it shut up. But then you had

495
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 5: like nothing, and it was a big it was a nightmare.

496
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 5: So you had to time your your switches really, you know,

497
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 5: really quickly, you just right split second stuff because it

498
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 5: didn't the technology hadn't caught up.

499
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: Quite yet with technology. Yeah.

500
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 5: So then so one one day I get called in

501
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 5: the dressing room after the show after one of those

502
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 5: problems happened, and Prince goes, what what happened during that song?

503
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 5: And I go, well, there's a technical issue and nothing

504
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 5: I can do about it, And he goes, all I

505
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 5: could say was I can't have that in my show.

506
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 5: And that was it. And I'm saying, well, I don't

507
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 5: know what else today we got this technical limitation. I'll

508
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 5: do my bed and then you just have to work

509
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 5: with it.

510
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: You know, one thing, what was it?

511
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: What happened on any song?

512
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 5: It could happen any song, It didn't matter.

513
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: That's what I liked about him though.

514
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was okay.

515
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 3: There was a work ethic that he plays that we're not.

516
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 4: We would never get anywhere else he put. He trained us.

517
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 4: We were like battle ready at any time.

518
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: That's why we could leave for twenty five years not

519
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 3: see each other.

520
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 4: When we came back together and we hit the room,

521
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 4: it was we all just looked at each other and

522
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 4: started laughing because the energy, the power, everything was still there,

523
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 4: and there was.

524
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 3: This sound that is so distinct.

525
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 4: I played with many bands since I left this band,

526
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 4: but nothing, there's nothing like it. I don't know why,

527
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 4: but there's a chemistry that we have that he developed

528
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 4: with us.

529
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 3: It just it's there. It's prevalent.

530
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: Was he always the first to arrive? No? Was he

531
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: great thirty years? No?

532
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 6: We waited, man, I mean, first of all, going back

533
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 6: to the again, you know, I see.

534
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: I thought he was the first new riding in the

535
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: last leave.

536
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 6: Like we Wendy's story, you know what she told our

537
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 6: recent shows about the freezing cold purple ran and his

538
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 6: advice to you know, start your car and let it

539
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 6: run for three hours when we did the Capri Theater

540
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 6: and it was just I drove them over and rusted

541
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 6: out pinto station wagon.

542
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:24,719
Speaker 1: You know.

543
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 6: He he just said, I want to put gas in

544
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 6: your car, run all day because he didn't want it

545
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 6: to get cold.

546
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: He just wanted to make sure that was warm. It

547
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: was so it was really I hear these over exaggerating,

548
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: like it gets we can give you. You know, Siberia

549
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: and Minneapour is kind of connected really if.

550
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 6: You look at the globe on the top. But yeah,

551
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 6: I mean it gets, it gets. It's just it gets

552
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 6: purple here on the weather map. But you know, I

553
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 6: just want to go back to the show. On top

554
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 6: of all that stuff, there was audibles four or five,

555
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 6: maybe six audibles that I have a tape called ice Cream,

556
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 6: which is a fifty nine minute jam which is just

557
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 6: working on the sixteen bars of ice cream.

558
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: We got it all right.

559
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 6: Let me explain though, when he's when he gets to

560
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 6: confusion at the end of the fifty nine minutes, that

561
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 6: means we had just done that for confusion a month

562
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 6: or a week earlier where we spent one hundred hours

563
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 6: figuring out these audibles. The audibles were extra hard to see.

564
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 6: They were a sleight of hand. There were a stomp

565
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 6: on the foot, they were, you know, a stripper butt move.

566
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 6: They were just all kinds of things that you had

567
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 6: to watch.

568
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: Remember the napkin drop.

569
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 10: The napkin dropped, you had to hit when it hit, damn.

570
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: It still keep the pace. But and it was fans

571
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: blowing everywhere. So the thing was kind of like being

572
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: on a journey on the.

573
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 4: Way down and watching he had Alan Lee's on the

574
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 4: side of the stage just wait God, and.

575
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: You know he goes, Bobby see two hundred dollars. When

576
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: the fans are going, It's like I just got fired.

577
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: Those fines were real. They were real.

578
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 6: It all depends what kind of Yeah, they were real,

579
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 6: but it all depends what kind of mistake if he remembered.

580
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 6: There was two kinds of mistakes, whether he was in

581
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 6: the spotlight or not in the spotlight. If he was

582
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 6: not in the spotlight changing over here and he heard it,

583
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 6: you could sometimes hear him laugh at you. But if

584
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 6: he was in the spotlight.

585
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: And you missed something, it was usually a two hundred

586
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: dollars now.

587
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 4: Yikes, I remember I lost twelve hundred.

588
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: I just couldn't figure stuff out. Yeah, brain Free had

589
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: a new song.

590
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you get a brand new.

591
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: Song every day. Set changes every day. On top of

592
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: everything else, is he was bored to dad. So here's

593
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: a question for you guys. You mentioned that new song.

594
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 9: So how long would he give you guys to learn

595
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 9: a new song soundtrack?

596
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: Why?

597
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 4: I developed the rumble tank rumble technique on the base

598
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 4: because I got tired of getting fine.

599
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: So I started going, you know, in the beat with

600
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 3: the drummer, and I started.

601
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: Doing being like yeah, that's so weird because I'm thinking

602
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: like held just trying to get through, like like a

603
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: play that's broken play. And he loved it. He loved it.

604
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: I mean when he hear that, yeah, that was like

605
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: like okay, just.

606
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 10: Rumbling and then we start a whole new song like that.

607
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 4: You know, most of the stuff I play, if you

608
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 4: listen on stage, ain't no notes.

609
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 11: I know, Like that's amazing.

610
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 3: I feel I can do spins and foot back flips.

611
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: I can't believe, like I'm thinking like this is this

612
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: is a new technilo. Because I tell my player Mark

613
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: to do the same thing, like, listen, you're stolid, so

614
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: U think while I have you So you're saying that

615
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: at no point where you I mean, this is in

616
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: the early dayes. Of course, the technology was not invented

617
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: for perfection.

618
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 5: Yet it was not the glitchy you know, things could

619
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 5: be glitch.

620
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: So every night that that when doves cry, solo had

621
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: to be spot on and and and just how like

622
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: well like when you heard it, you just thought like, oh, okay,

623
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: like how would you he said decide he would decide for.

624
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 5: You or not always. But I know when I first

625
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 5: heard that solo, I was scared out of my.

626
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: Well.

627
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 5: There was a studio technique he used to create it was.

628
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: That that wasn't it was too it was too quantized. No,

629
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: not exactly.

630
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 5: He never say yeah.

631
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: There's I'm not supposed to tell that killing.

632
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 5: No, I told his story before, but he played. But

633
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 5: he could play that if he really wanted to. He's capable.

634
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 5: But he could, I mean in real time he could have.

635
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 5: But been in the studio. He used it to write

636
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 5: it so he could really perfect it and write it

637
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 5: just the way he wanted it, and then sped it

638
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 5: back up again. So then I had to of course

639
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 5: cop that solo and play it live.

640
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

641
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, And then of course it's just his problem, like

642
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 6: Darling Nikki, like all photography. You know, it looks like

643
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 6: one day, okay, Darling Nikki three four, and I'm just

644
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 6: sitting there going, how are we going to do that?

645
00:33:58,840 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: You know on the records.

646
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 6: So it was like double kick drum next day, and

647
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 6: it's like, well, that's not gonna work. So I figured

648
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 6: out He said, all right, well you got to indite

649
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 6: to figure it out.

650
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: It's on you. And I'm like, how am I going

651
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,959
Speaker 1: to recreate Darling Nikki live? So when he just calls

652
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: us songs of random, all the stuff is preprogrammed in

653
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: your lin drum depends on the song. Some are live drum,

654
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: some are played. So this is beautiful ones, you know

655
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 1: automatically that's nine program nine.

656
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 6: Or like right, but you're jumping way ahead. When we

657
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 6: were rehearsing for the Purple Raine tour, the record is

658
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 6: like this this you know, creative, overlayered, amazing thing. But

659
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 6: to do it live, all these parts like he's talking

660
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 6: about that, Matt was saying, there's tricks to everything he did.

661
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 6: I mean he meticulously you know, whether it was us

662
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 6: playing or him playing would kind of you know get it.

663
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 6: You know, he was set up in Sunset Sound. He

664
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 6: was just the wizard there and he was just completely

665
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 6: you know, just.

666
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: Just did you have those flans effects on your one

667
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: your lin drum?

668
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 6: And yeah, we were on through petals, you know, through

669
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 6: you know, just boss delays and stuff and you know,

670
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 6: just getting that's where all the loops.

671
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: There wasn't anything like that.

672
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 6: So Mountains is just the limb through all these boss

673
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 6: delays into the you know, so everything was was new.

674
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 6: But you know, he the technology was, as we discussed earlier,

675
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 6: it was being developed and techniques. So like Darling Nicky,

676
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 6: is that that double kicked room where he's just against

677
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 6: his the other track, he's just going with his fingers.

678
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: He could play with his fingers on that thing. I

679
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: mean he could just go, I mean the buttons and

680
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: he was just perfect. Everybody goes, okay, let's do Darling.

681
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 6: Nicky and it's just like okay, okay, so you know

682
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 6: then I'm gonna be fired. The final show up and

683
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 6: I say it took the Box home, and me and

684
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 6: the Box had that come.

685
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: To Jesus moment.

686
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 6: We really just kind of really got I just said, well,

687
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 6: I'll just do this program going with a visual light

688
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 6: and then get to the program data right, data. So

689
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 6: during data I had to switch patterns. I had the

690
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 6: one actually data, but and then I just.

691
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: Go to and then it looks at me. So then

692
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: I did I did it like he did it, which

693
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: was the big kick from softer pad right. So I

694
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: had a technique and then he came back to he goes,

695
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 1: nice job, let me fix something.

696
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 12: And then he puts them both on the loud kick.

697
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 12: So when people heard it, stuff and the whole place

698
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 12: was a kick drum. There's yeah, that's what I want.

699
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 12: It's like it was just weird things. Well you know,

700
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 12: and I would die for you to speak.

701
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 5: Getting back to Don Batts, he added MIDI to the

702
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 5: lin so that we could connect it to my synthesizer

703
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 5: and have the bass part play sequenced through the whole

704
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 5: I was going to ask, how who handled you know

705
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 5: that whole thing, But it was in the studio. Prince

706
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 5: actually played that manually through the whole song. It was

707
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 5: not sequenced.

708
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: It was him on the.

709
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 5: Overhind like he's talking about on the drum machine doing that.

710
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 5: He did it in the studio and created that tight

711
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 5: through the entire song perfect.

712
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: It was many times you just felt like that's a

713
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: musician and you're not. Many times Okay, so I kind

714
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: of have to know, and I know everyone has like

715
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: these Purple Rain questions, but surely life had to have

716
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: been there must have been a sea change leading up

717
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: to Purple Rain and then life after Purple Rain. I mean,

718
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: did you guys took the Rolling Stones to Purple Radio?

719
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: That was similar as you brought that up. What was

720
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: could you describe the the the Rolling Stone La incident? Well,

721
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: I want Mark to speak to that because that was

722
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: just the first time on stage. Wow.

723
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was pretty interesting because I was scared to death.

724
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 4: I'm sitting there, but I knew the Rolling Stone, see

725
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 4: you know, I knew that was rock and roll, bikers,

726
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 4: Hell's angels.

727
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 3: You know, And I was like, how is this gonna work?

728
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: We sing it head jerky Jack you off.

729
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 4: I'm like, this is gonna be interesting. I think we're

730
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 4: going to be dead after this. You're right, man, I'm

731
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 4: telling you. We hit that stage and it just looked

732
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 4: like cattle.

733
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: Have you guys heard the tape? Yeah? It sounds good,

734
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: but there's a guy. There's one tape I heard with

735
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: the guy. Yeah, I look at that. Whoa, they just

736
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: threw something.

737
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 3: Whoa.

738
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not gonna last or something. But but it

739
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: started with an orange that hit.

740
00:38:53,800 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 10: His got stuck on the keys, the tuning keys. So

741
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 10: I was so out of tune.

742
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 13: I didn't even know how to tune a thing, you know,

743
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 13: And so we're playing what song?

744
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: Is that something? No, it was we came out of

745
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: the game with Bambi.

746
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was why you want to cheat me so bad?

747
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: I think? And I was way out of tune. Basse

748
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: was out of tune.

749
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 3: And I saw Jack Daniels bottle came up on the stage.

750
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, crash his head.

751
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 6: He he just ducked his head in an empty Jack

752
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 6: Daniels I just went like right, crash against the drum riser.

753
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: And then I looked at Lisa. And then when I

754
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: was looking at Lisa, things started coming like projectile incoming.

755
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: I got hit with a bag of chicken. I don't know.

756
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like second way taking around to me.

757
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: The second thing right, like you did know what was coming.

758
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: The second night they brought stuffed them from Yeah. The

759
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: first night it was like are they do. They hate

760
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: us that.

761
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 6: Much that they you know, they're just throwing their lunch

762
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 6: at us. I mean, it's like where were these objects

763
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 6: come went from?

764
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: It was just like you can bring one to Rolling Stones.

765
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: I mean that's what I mean. It's like, you know

766
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: what it's like.

767
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 6: It was just a but like Mark said, so it

768
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 6: was like bikers and you know it's the Stones, but

769
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 6: they were The doors were at six in the morning

770
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 6: at the at the Rose ball it was the coliseum coliseum,

771
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 6: and so they were there all day and then we

772
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 6: went on it two in the afternoon.

773
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: So it was like an all day Rolling Stones festival. Yeah,

774
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 1: and j Giles and George Yeah, you guys were first. Yeah,

775
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: we were meeting and yeah, we were just raw meat.

776
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: So then so you say the stadium was school by

777
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: then because yeah, and my physician like it's always influent

778
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: like when we do, like Dave Matthews was twelve people.

779
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: There were a lot of people.

780
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 5: There was at least you know, after sixty sixty thousand,

781
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 5: it was a ninety thousand seat venue.

782
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just remember it looked like cattle and they

783
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 4: had the fire hoses and they're spraying people down.

784
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was crazy and then there was a food fight.

785
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 3: There was an actual food.

786
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: Amongst themselves, like clouds just clouds. Yeah, so that was

787
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: like the wrap show of the Yeah. But you know

788
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: what you never hear about this. One thing I just

789
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: want to.

790
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 5: Say is that that later on during the Stone set,

791
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 5: they actually threw must have been two dozen pairs of shoes.

792
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: Up on ye love.

793
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 5: When you think it was out of love they rescue,

794
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 5: this was yeah, one was love one waste.

795
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: Why were they throwing shoes though to get pick to

796
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: pick it up? You know, just it was you know

797
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: this they were aiming at our head. I know they

798
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: were throwing nicely.

799
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 5: I just thought it was odd that they shoes up

800
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 5: there on stage at him. And then of course he

801
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 5: just said, you know, I'm not a fing door Matt

802
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 5: back to the audience.

803
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: I mean, wait, you stayed to watch the show? Oh yeah, sure,

804
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: Prince like literally he left too. I was going and

805
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: went to Minnesota and had to call him. Mick and

806
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: Dez said to call him, and and and and now

807
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: with that without the technology like it's I don't I.

808
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 6: Think it's like both on a phone technology back in

809
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 6: the day where you used to both kind of put

810
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 6: the phone up and both listen to the phone and

811
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 6: and Mick, you know, was with with Dez and I

812
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 6: know the management and but the story I remember most

813
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 6: is that he had had enough and we couldn't end

814
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 6: songs without his cues. So when he left, we left

815
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 6: and he went down and he walked up the we

816
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 6: we're playing and he's walking back up the big red

817
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 6: carpet with the stones villages, and I see Bill Graham

818
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 6: at the legendary promoter, like tear after him and say

819
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 6: a few things and expressions. Who knows what he said,

820
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 6: you know, the classic you'll ever work in this town

821
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 6: again or whatever he said, and he just turned around

822
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 6: and came back into the song, got on a.

823
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: Plane, went to Minnesota. Mix.

824
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 6: Do you want me to talk to the crowd, you know,

825
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 6: because Charlie and Bill came back and they were great.

826
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: You know, they were.

827
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 6: Apologetic, apologetic, and you know that you know, our fans

828
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 6: are routing stuff and they were apologetic or mixing the Prince,

829
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 6: do you want me to say something to the crowd

830
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 6: that I wanted you? You know, Mick was the reason

831
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 6: why we did it. He loved Dirty Mind so much.

832
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 6: And Prince said, I don't need my mom to go

833
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 6: up there and tell anybody anything, you know, so he

834
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 6: he he.

835
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: He was indignant about.

836
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 6: It, and but he came back, and that dressing room

837
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 6: before the second was the most tense, thick air I

838
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 6: ever had with him in all the years. That moment

839
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 6: before the second Rolling Stone show was just we're gonna die.

840
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I got hit.

841
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 3: In the head, remember the limbo.

842
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 5: Prince almost got hit with glass.

843
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: But then we go ahead.

844
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 4: I just remembering the limo when we were leaving because

845
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 4: I got out of there, and I remember he said

846
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 4: he was so embarrassed, I think because that was my

847
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 4: first show. Yeah he was, Yeah, he said, he says, Mark,

848
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 4: it ain't like this, And I said, well, I said, friends,

849
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 4: that's the Stones, and.

850
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 3: You don't have to talk to me. I know how

851
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 3: rowdy they get. And he says, no, no, you don't understand.

852
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 4: When we hit our first show, you're going to see

853
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 4: my audience. And he says, it's night and day from this.

854
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 4: And I didn't know what to think of that, you know,

855
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 4: because I haven't seen anything I come from the Chitlin circuit.

856
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 6: So was he the same after that or was it

857
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 6: like even more into title I usually talked to him

858
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 6: at least every third or fourth day. I didn't talk

859
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 6: to him for about him four weeks and he was

860
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 6: just in the in the Purple House which became the

861
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 6: Purple House later, but on Lake Riley, and he was

862
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 6: down in the studio. And then he called me one

863
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 6: day and he said, I want you to put some

864
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 6: you know, the syndromes on a song. And we put

865
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 6: syndrums on nineteen ninety nine and little word Corvette. And

866
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 6: I was excited that, you know, he was in good

867
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 6: spirits and he was ready to you know. Then we

868
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 6: kind of went down south where it was safe and

869
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 6: just and played and played and played gainst the rolling stars.

870
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: It was food. We went back to find the love.

871
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: You know, that is weird, you think, like a show

872
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: in l A Like to me, that's like the best

873
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: thing in the world.

874
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 3: We man, we did Pittsburgh, We did the Stanley Theater.

875
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: That was my first real Prince Frinch audience.

876
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 3: And I'll never.

877
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: Forget the love was different. It was, oh man, this

878
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: is not so South. But we went to find the loves.

879
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 6: But you know, eventually Atlanta, and you know, I mean

880
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 6: Atlanta was another you know, Fox theater.

881
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: You know, we just we did it.

882
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 6: Whatever happened, he figured out who his audience was and

883
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 6: it certainly became the Stones audience later.

884
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: It just you know, he learned from all that.

885
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 6: But the physical I mean it was definitely you know,

886
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 6: this is like professional baseball football, you know, you know that,

887
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 6: and we're at that standard. That was a loss and

888
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 6: there was many w's to come, but you know, that

889
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 6: was a big you know, forty one to nothing beat it.

890
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: I almost think that maybe it's a good thing you

891
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: guys went through that too. In my head, I was like, Okay,

892
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: that's going to make.

893
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 3: A stronger, more determined totally.

894
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: That's what you had to go through that. I've never

895
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: cried before, I mean like that. I mean it was terrible.

896
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: I mean it was just really traumatic, to tell you

897
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: the truth.

898
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, I was actually pretty shocked at what

899
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 5: happened because I didn't.

900
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: Come to it. We're you excited, like, yeah, that was

901
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: a dream? Are you kidding me?

902
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 5: It was like amazing, I.

903
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 6: Mean from I mean, you know, the Beatles, Stones and Sullivan,

904
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 6: you know, the whole thing, and it was like this

905
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 6: was you know, meet Charlie Watson.

906
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: You know, everything was just but you know, well, so

907
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: someone else and put it to me that and this

908
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 1: this is like this person's theory on on being born

909
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty eight. At least were prints that even

910
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: though Prince was technically a baby boomer, that the audience

911
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: of baby boomer wasn't his audience. That technically he was

912
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: the older brother the generation ex So all the kids

913
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: and the younger siblings of the Rolling Stone audience would

914
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 1: be Prince's right audience.

915
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 6: He wrote the Stevie Earthwind and Fire ride was where

916
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 6: he went earth Wind and Fires audience. Obviously with Kavala Ruffalo,

917
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 6: they knew how to do that, and earth Wind and

918
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 6: Fire was had done such incredible you know with Doug

919
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 6: Henting Magic, earth Wind and Fire really changed everything right,

920
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 6: and then then you know it was it was just

921
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 6: crossovers smashes, and that opened up you know us really

922
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 6: in a way that we could uh kick going, but

923
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 6: the way we did. But obviously, you know, at the

924
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 6: midnight special and there was you know, there was a

925
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 6: lot of TV that didn't go right until Saturday Night

926
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 6: Live and that went right, and then all of a

927
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 6: sudden we were, you know, more focused after all that.

928
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: So when things are heating up. During the nineteen ninety

929
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: nine tour, I know that the time was, uh, the

930
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: openness for you guys, what's the folk were really as

931
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: tense as as it was as far as like to

932
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: the where every guys cannot open forest in New York?

933
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: Like were they Was it really that much of a threat?

934
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: Or man?

935
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 3: I can speak on this. I mean I used to

936
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: have conversations with dude every night.

937
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 4: I'd be like, friends, these cats are burning it up,

938
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 4: as that they are burning up the stage.

939
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 3: Dude, He's like, that only got nothing on us. You watch,

940
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 3: you watch, And this was every night, and I think

941
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 3: he started seeing it and it was.

942
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 1: Like, was it really that? Because even though I've seen tapes,

943
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: I've not seen audience reactions to the time. I think

944
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: there's just no comparison.

945
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 13: This is what I saw.

946
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 4: Okay, this is what I saw. Prince was starting to cross.

947
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 4: Prince was starting to cross. The time was still in

948
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 4: that that that black audience.

949
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 14: So that's what you saw, But that was the whole goal, like, Okay,

950
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 14: this is me as the black group, and this is

951
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 14: me you know exactly.

952
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: I thought he wanted that, but he did.

953
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 3: But the audience, you know, they come from the hood.

954
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 4: They the time was like oh what the bird and everything,

955
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 4: and so we were going more rock and roll, and so,

956
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 4: you know, they are certain songs like let's work. You know,

957
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 4: we would play certain songs because we had to. But

958
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 4: he really wanted to do the little red corvettes. In

959
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 4: the nineteen ninety he was changing.

960
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: So there were points where the audience just wanted to

961
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: like okay, okay, they're doing let me sit down.

962
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 3: And it got tight. You could really see the shift.

963
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 3: And that's when and he took them off the tour and.

964
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: He had to. He had to. He had to. He

965
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: had to, in my opinion, that's just my opinion, because

966
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: he took them off in a market that my my

967
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: relatives never got to see him, which was New York,

968
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: and they were heated because they thought like we never

969
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: got to see the time in their prime, like doing that,

970
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: doing that, doing that period. So it was really tense.

971
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: But the tension.

972
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 6: At the end of the tour became really bad to

973
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 6: the point where it was real. The food fight ensued,

974
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 6: so I was just weird.

975
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: Food fight. It's another show, but it was insane.

976
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 6: So I'm standing at the stairwell in New Orleans at

977
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 6: the Stanley Theater in New Orleans, and all of a sudden,

978
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 6: Jerome looks at me with an orange in his hand

979
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 6: and then.

980
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 10: Just helps up.

981
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 6: I have a light colored suito and I walked back

982
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 6: dressing room and Prince, I mean, he says, what happened

983
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 6: to you?

984
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: I said, Jerome to sent me with an orange? And

985
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: he went what? And it was like I just thought

986
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: nothing of it. And to him that was like Pearl

987
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: Harbor shot, first shot been fire, and it.

988
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 6: Was like he got so enraged that it just all

989
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 6: I can tell you is is it turned into two

990
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 6: days of complete chaos. Hotel rooms trashed. Uh, Jesse Johnson

991
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 6: is a prisoner of war.

992
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: It'll be a shamed the.

993
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 5: Witch handcuff handcuffed to a cobra who had handcuffs.

994
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 1: Chick.

995
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 6: Chick had everything, brass, nuggles and guns, whatever you want,

996
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 6: you know, was actually part of this as well. Yeah,

997
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 6: Chick was there. Got Jesse Johnson, picked him physically up,

998
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 6: carried him in the room and handcuffed him to.

999
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 5: The because he was threatening Prince, you verbally threatening him,

1000
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 5: you know, Yeah.

1001
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 6: Jesse was so he didn't gonna kill you. Never saw them,

1002
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 6: so we had a room manager, nam Hewett. At that

1003
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 6: point he sent him out to the store camera with

1004
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 6: maple syrup and eggs and tooth based and Justin Johnson's

1005
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 6: being interrogated and they're probably maple syrup over his head

1006
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 6: while he's chained up and they're putting tooth based on him,

1007
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 6: and the time is hearing them that kind.

1008
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: Of prisoner in there. And so Jesse, jam and Lewis.

1009
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 6: Show up at the end of our set with shields

1010
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 6: and hefty bags suits.

1011
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: They made suits out of hefty bags with shower cats

1012
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 1: and they had eggs. So we were on the audience

1013
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: in the show they have no stage. Yeah, it was

1014
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: having it all through sound check on stage. Jesse Johnson

1015
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: was captured on stage. He was bagged on stage and

1016
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: dragged off. Jerome was during the show, during their show,

1017
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: and then the rule was the time.

1018
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 6: Okay, so the time couldn't touch us. But Prince, I

1019
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 6: think Prince jumped up there as Jesse or something. They

1020
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 6: captured Jesse. He took him to the room and Prince

1021
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 6: waited for him while they chained him up. And then

1022
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 6: but the end of the story is Jesse breaks free.

1023
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 6: We want coat wrap like a monster. He breaks free.

1024
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: Walk and then Prince everybody scatters. We went outside jamming.

1025
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 6: Onis are waiting for us, pelting us with eggs. We run,

1026
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 6: Matt and I run into Roger's room and he's like.

1027
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: Going, what the heck's going on?

1028
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 6: Vacing See we're like outside and we just kind of

1029
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 6: He's like looking at him come out into the party.

1030
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: So we hide out in Roger's room for a minute.

1031
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: We come back out.

1032
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 6: They're still waiting. You know, they've got eggs, they got stuff.

1033
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 6: And then the end of it, Prince had sent Hewett

1034
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 6: out to get pies.

1035
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 15: Wait what Supermark is the late hour the hotel or something,

1036
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 15: and the car pies playing pies came in like in

1037
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 15: a movie and we had a pie fight, pie fight,

1038
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 15: and then but the Prince was done.

1039
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: So then he goes, come on, let's call to the hotel.

1040
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: He gets the hotel to open up.

1041
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 6: Jesse's room and we're hiding. Lisa and I and Prince

1042
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 6: are in Jesse's room with yellow mustard. Wow, Prince princess

1043
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 6: with yellow princess yellow mustard.

1044
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: This is gonna cost a fortune. I don't care. It's

1045
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: like putting yellow mustard all over his clothes. And all

1046
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: over everything.

1047
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 6: And then when we hear a noise outside and Lisa

1048
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 6: and I are in the closet and it wasn't Justice,

1049
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 6: So then we got out of the room.

1050
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: But he's putting yellow mustard on his door. It's a princess.

1051
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: I got to pay for this.

1052
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 3: It was like twelve fifteen, twenty thousand dollars in damage.

1053
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 1: Who had to pay for that? Let's m throws TVs out?

1054
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: This is nothing the tour.

1055
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 5: The tour paid for it.

1056
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean, was there at Kumbaya Mooman at

1057
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: the end or was that like the last Prince Time

1058
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: show ever? Jam us for out so not really. Me

1059
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: and Prince end up sitting in for them, you know

1060
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: during the Atlanta Ship stage.

1061
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they were they weren't.

1062
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: There, so you guys were playing like backstage stage.

1063
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 3: I hit jams Terry's parks. Prince had jams first.

1064
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 1: It's it's a movie in itself.

1065
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 6: It's just really an amazing story, and uh it was

1066
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 6: war really yep yep yep.

1067
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I just want to thank you guys

1068
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: for I mean, I can go on forever and ever

1069
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: and ever and ever, but I really really just want

1070
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,959
Speaker 1: to thank you guys for uh, everything that you've done

1071
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 1: for music and for you know, for for me personally.

1072
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: But ladies and gentlemen, you're you're very I.

1073
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 6: Just want to say thank you for being a disciple,

1074
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 6: and thank you for carrying our torch for us and

1075
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 6: in the love everything you've done to keep our name

1076
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 6: alive and be on our side.

1077
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,959
Speaker 1: If we love you. From that, Bobby C. Brown, Mark

1078
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: and Doctor place each other, we'll be back. We're more

1079
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme and we're broadcasting from Minneapolis, and we

1080
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: just wrapped up a great conversation with Mark, Bobby Z

1081
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: and Doctor Fink of the Revolution about a crazy food fight.

1082
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: I guess normally I would come with a real mushy, heartfelt,

1083
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: emotional intro, but based on what we just heard, I

1084
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: gotta cut to the chase. Lisa, could you please give

1085
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: us your account of the food fight in the Cincinnati

1086
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: the Lord. Sure.

1087
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,240
Speaker 16: I mean it's such a story.

1088
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how were you was just all women

1089
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,439
Speaker 1: and children and Jesse.

1090
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 16: Yeah, women, children and Jesse.

1091
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: Please welcome the uses of all muses of all Now

1092
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: no like music just feels like assistance. I feel like

1093
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: you guys are really the epicenter that he came to.

1094
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: So no more muses ladies and gentlemen. Wendy Melbourne Lisa Coleman. Okay, So,

1095
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: I mean there's so many questions that I know you're

1096
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: tired of answering and whatnot, but just for formality's sake,

1097
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: actually no, there's a lot of your background before you

1098
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: even came to Uh, I guess under the Purple umbrella

1099
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: that I would like to know about. Both of you

1100
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: are first of all from LA correct, yes, okay, so

1101
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: how did how did you two meet? Like you two

1102
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: were childhood best friends? Correct?

1103
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 17: Yeah, Well, here's the story is pretty interesting where Lisa

1104
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 17: and I are a second generation LA musicians. Our fathers

1105
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 17: were studio cats. That's what they're called, right, They are

1106
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 17: part of the wrecking crew.

1107
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 2: And in the.

1108
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 17: Sixties and the seventies, being a studio musician was really

1109
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 17: a really respectable career. You know, you got your pension

1110
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 17: based on how many sessions you did. So when my

1111
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 17: father and her father, you know, were in their fifties,

1112
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 17: only fifties, and all of those cats were losing their

1113
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 17: gigs to machines and to single room producers, they started

1114
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 17: living off of pensions based on sessions, right, which really

1115
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 17: don't do now. Our families grew up together. We went

1116
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 17: to the same schools together, we had the same doctors,

1117
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 17: we had the same hippie friends, and the parents had

1118
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 17: the same drugs and the same the whole thing, right.

1119
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,479
Speaker 17: So there were three kids on Lisa's side, three kids

1120
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 17: on my side, and we grew up together. Growing up

1121
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 17: in that kind of environment, we were very well versed

1122
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 17: with what it's like to be in the business, what

1123
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 17: it's like to be musicians, what the separation between entertainment

1124
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 17: and artistry.

1125
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 18: We knew the difference. So I think being hired by

1126
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 18: Prince that.

1127
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 17: I think that was an asset for him because we

1128
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 17: had a real we had already had a big definition

1129
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 17: of that in our own personalities by the time, at

1130
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 17: least I joined and Lisa joined, and you know, we

1131
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 17: had bands together with our friend with our siblings. There

1132
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 17: was an unreleased record on A and M. It's it's

1133
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 17: based off of a really horrible food substance, Waldorf Salad.

1134
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 17: It's we all went to a Waldorf school. We all

1135
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 17: went to Highland Hall, which was this Waldorf schools. A

1136
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 17: Stein in her education.

1137
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 18: It's real hippie like you get to crochet and do

1138
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 18: you're with me and make cut me. Yeah, I mean I.

1139
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: Remember at the time you're making it like it was

1140
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: a lame thing, but at the time was like fun.

1141
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 18: Like the name of the band is lame Waldorf Salad.

1142
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 18: I'd have to say, my father rest in peace.

1143
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: Okay.

1144
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 17: So well, my father and her father are also the

1145
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 17: ones that were the band for the Partris family. My

1146
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 17: dad was a uh was Shirley Jones and Lisa's father

1147
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 17: was the little girl tambourine player in all the sessions.

1148
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 18: Wes Farrell was the producer on those things and.

1149
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 17: Oh yeah, yeah yeah, and the Syden Marty Craft show,

1150
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 17: which I've told you about.

1151
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 16: You're gonna make my dad like freak out if he

1152
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 16: hears this. He's done.

1153
01:00:59,000 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 19: Your father did.

1154
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 17: All with the Seely Dan record, So your dad was

1155
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 17: much in mind at that time.

1156
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 16: Well though they were both cool. They did a lot

1157
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 16: of cool things.

1158
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: So what else, like go through the resume, like, what

1159
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: else is your father does?

1160
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 20: Well, my father really started on motown sessions and he

1161
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 20: I mean he played with everybody. I didn't even know

1162
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 20: what all he played with until recently when he tried

1163
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 20: to design a website and he was trying to write

1164
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 20: his discography and all the albums he's played on, and

1165
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 20: it was.

1166
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 16: Just sad immense.

1167
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 20: I mean almost every record that was on the radio

1168
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 20: in the sixties, like from sixty three on, my dad

1169
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 20: was on every song, you know, being a percussionist. Yeah,

1170
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 20: so back then it was like a percussionist was really

1171
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 20: a cool thing to be.

1172
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: I want to be on a.

1173
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 17: Phil Spector session as a percussionist. That's the wall of sound, right.

1174
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 20: I mean my dad also played on like Marvin Gaye,

1175
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 20: he played congas you know, on What's going On and

1176
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 20: that whole record, and yeah, stuff like that. When we

1177
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 20: went on tour with uh when I don't know what

1178
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 20: tour it was dirty mind, maybe with Prince in Detroit.

1179
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 20: They took us to the Motown mansion for a little

1180
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 20: tour and there was a picture of my father on

1181
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 20: the wall.

1182
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 16: My dad never knew that. His name's Gary, Gary L. Coleman.

1183
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: Amazing.

1184
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 17: So you can go on the internet and see both

1185
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 17: of our fathers on the pet Sounds recording sessions. Because

1186
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 17: my father is doing all the he did played all

1187
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 17: the organ stuff, yeah, like good.

1188
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 18: Vibrations and all that kind.

1189
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 16: Yeah, there's great area.

1190
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 18: My father, young Michael, Michael Melbourn.

1191
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: I remember your father beaming with pride as he entered.

1192
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 21: Do you know it?

1193
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 17: On that very night when my father introduced us on

1194
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 17: the Grammys and my daughter happens to be one of

1195
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 17: the members of the Revolution, Prince looked over at me like, I'm.

1196
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 18: Going to kill you. Gonna kill you because normally I

1197
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 18: didn't do it.

1198
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 10: I didn't know, I know nothing.

1199
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: Normally, like you know, they would you know whoever, I

1200
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: think John Denver was still hosting at the time, like

1201
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: for for artists of you guys stature, Normally, I guess

1202
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: someone would big would do that. I was like, that's

1203
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: normally like a narrow staff member would just say what

1204
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: the rules and regulations were, like, not introduced the biggest

1205
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: act of the night. So I always wondered.

1206
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 17: My father was the president of the National Academy of

1207
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 17: Recording NARS and and that year, which is really funny

1208
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 17: because all of our Grammys and all of our plaques

1209
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 17: have my father's name.

1210
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 18: As the president of NERS. It's very trippy. It just

1211
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 18: is there's so many connections. So that night, my father,

1212
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 18: you know, the National Academy Recording Arts and sciences.

1213
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 17: Was like to welcome everybody to the Grammys tonight and

1214
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 17: blah blah blah blah.

1215
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 18: Which they normally do. And then he introduced the Prince

1216
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 18: and the Revolution.

1217
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 19: And it's special for.

1218
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 17: Me because my daughter happens to be a member of

1219
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 17: the Revolution and Prince.

1220
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 18: At the time.

1221
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 17: He would be like if he was like you know,

1222
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 17: I mean, there was this whole esthetic we had, like

1223
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 17: doude smile man, look bad ass and if there was

1224
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 17: any kind of cuddling cuddlingess when you needed to be,

1225
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 17: I'm going to kill you.

1226
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 18: You're don't blow the bubble bss, don't do it. I

1227
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 18: don't want to care about this at all.

1228
01:04:58,520 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 16: Yo.

1229
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: So okay, this is one. Do you remember anything about

1230
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: the Sunshine Superman sessions with Melbournmore at all?

1231
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 18: Remember very much?

1232
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: So really, what's what's the story behind that? Wait before

1233
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 1: you get into the story, Let's let's set out Melbournmore's

1234
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: Sunshine Superman with you, Wendy and your twin sister Susannah

1235
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: singing in the children's course. That was Melbournemore Sunshine Superman

1236
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: on Quest Love Supreme. We're here with Wendy and Lisa

1237
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: Princess Band, The Revolution. I don't know. For me with

1238
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: Sunshine Superman, I meant just as a digger, as a

1239
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: great digger. No. I mean, like the way that you

1240
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: know hip hoppers discover stuff is look up the most

1241
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: unusual things ever, and then that's how we dive into

1242
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: the pool of music to research. So you get these albums,

1243
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, okay, I'm gonna that, And then you know,

1244
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: some producers actually read the credits and see who else

1245
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: is on it, and I kept seeing hmm, melvoy Melvoint,

1246
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: oh crap, and then you know, and then.

1247
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 17: There's not very many Melvoin's. We're all very closely related.

1248
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: I know this now. So I guess I got to

1249
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: bring you guys to Middle America. How did you why

1250
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: did you leave LA to go to Minnesota? Like how

1251
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: did your paths even cross? Or I guess Lisa you

1252
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:30,479
Speaker 1: were first.

1253
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 16: Yeah, well it it is.

1254
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 20: It is kind of strange growing up in LA and

1255
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 20: Hollywood and being born to the into the music business.

1256
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 20: You know, like that was the steel mill, you know,

1257
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 20: our town. You know, I grew up in Hollywood, went

1258
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 20: to Hollywood High.

1259
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 16: You know, my dad worked in the studios.

1260
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 20: All local you know, it was all right there and uh,

1261
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 20: and then I moved to Minneapolis to make it big.

1262
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 16: So lucky.

1263
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 1: I mean, did you go there specifically to work with

1264
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: Prince or was like let me let me.

1265
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 17: Know.

1266
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 16: It was like are you kidding?

1267
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 20: Because it's like funky Town just came out. It was

1268
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 20: about getting out of there. It's like, take me to

1269
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 20: someplace else. No, it was just through his management company.

1270
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 20: He had a female keyboard player, Gael.

1271
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: And so how to own hunt, you know, to seek

1272
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: you out.

1273
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 20: Well, by that Owen had just been fired and he

1274
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 20: had a new management Farnoi.

1275
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: And can we probably say their name because.

1276
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 18: Steve Farnoli, Bob Cavallo and Joe Ruffalo, so it was

1277
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 18: Ruffalo fern So it's only three.

1278
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: I always thought it was like four or five.

1279
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 18: Well, it sounds like a lot of.

1280
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,959
Speaker 16: Guido, and you don't want to know the other guys.

1281
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 18: You don't talk about those guys.

1282
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 20: So they so, well, they were looking for another girl

1283
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 20: and a friend of mine who was my best friend

1284
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 20: in school, she had run away from home and got

1285
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 20: a job at their company, you know, secretary, and she

1286
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 20: heard about it and she was, oh, my god, Lisa

1287
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 20: would be perfect and she told me about it, and

1288
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,560
Speaker 20: she said, Prince is looking for and I was Prince.

1289
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, No I didn't. When did you first hear of Princeville? Oh?

1290
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 16: When I was seen, and I was.

1291
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 17: I left my It was the summer of seventy seven

1292
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 17: and I went My sister and I escaped our houses

1293
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 17: in the middle of the night and we went to

1294
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 17: the Starwood, which is an old club here in town.

1295
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 17: You could look it up and they had two places.

1296
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 17: They had two There was a disco and then there

1297
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 17: was a live stage. So the live stage you'd see

1298
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 17: like secret concerts of devo and you'd see you know,

1299
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 17: I mean, I saw amazing performances there. But in the

1300
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 17: disco that's where I was. And this one night, the

1301
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 17: DJ puts on soft and wet and I'm.

1302
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 18: I'm thirteen, spok, but I'm like.

1303
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 17: I literally ran up to the booth and went, who's

1304
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 17: that girl?

1305
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 18: And the guy looks at paintings. That's not a girl.

1306
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 18: It's Prince. He's seventeen. He's from Minneapolis. From that moment on,

1307
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 18: I knew and studied everything.

1308
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: And then.

1309
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 18: Finding out that this one got the job playing with him,

1310
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 18: I was like, you're kidding me. Do you know who

1311
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 18: he is now? And then she's I'm in the.

1312
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 17: Kitchen of the Coleman's house in Hollywood Hills, and Lisa

1313
01:09:56,240 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 17: has a cassette. She's just come back from Minneapolis, comes

1314
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 17: back with a cassette of Head and puts it on

1315
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,560
Speaker 17: in the kitchen. So that when that song came on

1316
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,480
Speaker 17: and I was listening to it, I was like crushed

1317
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 17: with envy and pride and like she was perfect. She

1318
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 17: was the perfect addition to his. She was so schooled

1319
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 17: and highly cultured. And to hear her voice say I'm

1320
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 17: just a virgin and I'm on my way to be wet,

1321
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 17: you could tell it wasn't It was uncomfortable for her

1322
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 17: to say.

1323
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 18: The way she speaks, it was so innocent sounding.

1324
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:40,640
Speaker 17: But behind that voice, if you listen carefully, that's a

1325
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 17: really serious person saying that. And I got that from it,

1326
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 17: and I was like, this just makes this whole song

1327
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 17: that freakier.

1328
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 18: This is great. It was almost so dangerous to me.

1329
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 17: It's like, oh my god, it's not like some weirdstute

1330
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 17: sounding person.

1331
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: He was like this sound like acture sounded real. It

1332
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 1: was that's weird, Like you had a pride and I

1333
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 1: had a moment of how to not give It's weird,

1334
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:21,719
Speaker 1: like everyone has a sophoment story, a moment of discovery.

1335
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 1: This guy so uh, I mean, obviously I know that

1336
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 1: Gail Chapman left h the band under tints uh kind

1337
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: of this under under this tension of having this sort

1338
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:44,560
Speaker 1: of closure line. Well, yeah, I mean religion sometimes, I

1339
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: mean can impress people from doing certain things. So did

1340
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: you were you automatically told from the gate like we

1341
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: are trying to push boundaries never seen before and that

1342
01:11:57,640 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: sort of thing, Like did you realize that you would

1343
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: be the No?

1344
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 16: I just I didn't. I don't think.

1345
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 20: Between Prince and myself, I think it was a different

1346
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 20: kind of relationship. It wasn't really that like we didn't

1347
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 20: really conceive of anything first. We sort of just explored

1348
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 20: it and then conceived you know, you.

1349
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 16: Know what I mean. So it was back and forth.

1350
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 16: But I did see that in what he was doing,

1351
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 16: and I loved it. I loved that he was outrageous and.

1352
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 18: You know, but you didn't see his stars Born.

1353
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,679
Speaker 1: Poster in the house he had the Stars Born first.

1354
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1355
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 20: Yeah, when I first flew out to meet him and

1356
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 20: he picked me up at the airport and it was

1357
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 20: pretty funny and yeah.

1358
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 13: Yeah, oh wow.

1359
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: Then I was like, have a manager's car service pick

1360
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 1: so there.

1361
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 20: No, no, no, his little Fiat and we drove to

1362
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 20: his house and I even like smoked a cigarette in

1363
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 20: his car, like mind if I smoke, and he was like,

1364
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 20: I'm sure he wanted to say, don't smoke, lef he

1365
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 20: smoked and he used to smoke.

1366
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 1: And yeah.

1367
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 20: So we got to his house and it was it

1368
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:12,679
Speaker 20: was a trip because I didn't know what he was about,

1369
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 20: you know, and he didn't know what I was about.

1370
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 20: And we were looking at the dressing, like what are

1371
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 20: you about? And he pointed downstairs. I go down there,

1372
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:22,640
Speaker 20: there's a piano and and then I was looking at

1373
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 20: the posters on the wall.

1374
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 16: There's like Chris Christophers and.

1375
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: It was a little bit like what, I'm certain that

1376
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: somebody put that up there for him. I can't see

1377
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 1: him doing his own housework.

1378
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:38,719
Speaker 18: Oh that's not true.

1379
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:40,520
Speaker 1: He did a little bits.

1380
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 16: Oh yeah, he knew what he was like exactly that was.

1381
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 16: And he was like just putting things on the wall

1382
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 16: like it's spray paint, pieces of paper.

1383
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:55,719
Speaker 1: Was he extra meticulous?

1384
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 18: He seemed like he was somebody that was extra meticulous.

1385
01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 16: Later on, later on he was in the beginning, he

1386
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:04,719
Speaker 16: was he was sloppy. Yes, he was sloppy.

1387
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 18: Yeah, you know it's messy.

1388
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:07,719
Speaker 16: I have pictures of the launy.

1389
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 18: But you know in the yeah, you know it's funny because.

1390
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 16: I ended up doing it and making Friday sandwiches.

1391
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 17: He one of his last piano concerts, he talks about

1392
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 17: meeting Lisa for the first time the second to the

1393
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 17: last performance of his Knees.

1394
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 18: He says, in that very moment where he points down.

1395
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 17: And says, you go downstairs, he calls Steve Farnolan and

1396
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 17: he says, I don't think this is gonna work out. Really, Yeah,

1397
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 17: I don't think this is because there was something about

1398
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:40,639
Speaker 17: the way.

1399
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 16: And I didn't look him in the Yeah, something was

1400
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 16: weird to him. And then and then he says, you're

1401
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 16: not supposed to look me in the eyes. Oh, he

1402
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:52,839
Speaker 16: didn't know exactly.

1403
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 17: So what is it ends up happening is he says,

1404
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 17: you know, go downstairs, and then he calls for only

1405
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 17: and the phoney. He says, you get a gator, gotta

1406
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 17: get her out of here. I don't think get her

1407
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 17: a flight home. I don't think this is gonna work.

1408
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 17: And as he's saying that, she's downstairs and she opens

1409
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 17: the piano and she just starts playing. And if anybody

1410
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 17: in here has ever heard Lisa play by herself and what, yeah,

1411
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 17: what comes out between Sawtee and hinder myth And.

1412
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 18: He said, I'll call you back.

1413
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: So you had a classical background. I mean when when

1414
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:30,719
Speaker 1: did you first start playing piano?

1415
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 20: As soon as I could reach it. Yeah, yeah, it

1416
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 20: was just in the house, you know. And my mom

1417
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 20: was a singer and she'd have piano players come over.

1418
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 20: And there was this guy, Dick Gray who was very

1419
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 20: depressed man, but played so beautifully and woul.

1420
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 16: Accompany my mom was.

1421
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 20: She would practice and she was a jazz singer and

1422
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,679
Speaker 20: I would just watch and I look at the shapes

1423
01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:59,560
Speaker 20: and I just always and I still have that in

1424
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:00,759
Speaker 20: my mind, like shapes.

1425
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 16: It's shapes, you know, what sounds like.

1426
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I was about to say these former centers. Yeah,

1427
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: so when you heard sound, you saw shapes. Yeah.

1428
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 9: Well it's it's kind of funny because Prince always said

1429
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 9: that your sound always added a lot of color to

1430
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 9: his music exactly.

1431
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1432
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 20: Yeah, so I just yeah, it's really visual, you know,

1433
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 20: and and and that's how I would try to recreate

1434
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 20: it when I when after they would finish and I

1435
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 20: go to the piano and try to make shapes again.

1436
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 4: You know.

1437
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 1: Usually, well every virtual as I know, at least in

1438
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: pop music, you know, they have this higher education first,

1439
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 1: like they they s like the Motown guys were jazz musicians.

1440
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 1: This pop stuffs whatever.

1441
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 16: Yeah, jazz.

1442
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 1: So I did you feel as though or did your

1443
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 1: family make you feel as though, like, uh, you're kind

1444
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 1: of luring yourself like you could be the next you

1445
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:55,679
Speaker 1: can be on this level of classical music.

1446
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 20: Yeah, a little bit. My father had a bit of

1447
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 20: that because he really did. He did a lot of times.

1448
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 20: You know, you said you got the talent to be

1449
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 20: a concert pianist, you know, and I really I saw

1450
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 20: that for you and your future, and you know, I

1451
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 20: would marry the conductor and you know all this stuff,

1452
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 20: and I was like, Dad, no, I'm going to be

1453
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 20: the conductor. You don't understand, you know. And it was

1454
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 20: and he shouldn't. He knows, I mean, and my mom

1455
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 20: knew the truth because.

1456
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 16: I grew up.

1457
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:29,679
Speaker 20: I mean I didn't, I didn't know, and I didn't

1458
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 20: care what I would play. I just wanted to play,

1459
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 20: and I wanted to play everything forever, and they got

1460
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 20: me lessons and I was just, you know, lucky to

1461
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 20: be advantaged the way I was that they supported me

1462
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 20: playing it, you know, at all. And it was just

1463
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 20: my house and my brother, My brother and sister were

1464
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,640
Speaker 20: both musicians. My sister was a guitar player and my

1465
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 20: brother was everything cellist.

1466
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 17: Well, here's a nice little tidbit as well as that

1467
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 17: Lisa's father, Gary was friends with Tom ober Time and

1468
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 17: they had some of the first since in the house

1469
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 17: and at Lisa also learned all of her skills with

1470
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 17: an our twenty six hundred in the house, and so

1471
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:15,600
Speaker 17: Gary was doing a lot of music concrete in his sectonic.

1472
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 18: He was a composer, Yeah, yeah, a total composer.

1473
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 17: And Lisa learned all of her tape skills and marking

1474
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:24,759
Speaker 17: and patching.

1475
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 20: Yeah we had we didn't, you know, synthesizers were They

1476
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 20: were just like modular things that you had to patch

1477
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 20: together and then we would cut tape and little pieces

1478
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 20: and flip it.

1479
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 16: And my dad taught me.

1480
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: Earlier.

1481
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:40,719
Speaker 18: Yeah, she was a team with like a young team

1482
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 18: learning that stuff.

1483
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 1: So by the time the Oberheim came when you were

1484
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 1: able to actually play chords on it and like one

1485
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 1: noted right exactly. Oh my god.

1486
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 17: Then I know I knew how she was the perfect

1487
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 17: person for Prince Perfect.

1488
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 20: Yeah, And in that way, my dad was right because

1489
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 20: he said, if you have the skill and then you

1490
01:18:58,000 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 20: have this knowledge, you're going to do something.

1491
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: Okay, So I have to jump ahead a little bit.

1492
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: Uh Rick James's street songs, and Rick and the at

1493
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 1: least the David Rich edition of his autobiography talks of

1494
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 1: stealing your keyboards and there already made patches to record

1495
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 1: street songs. So by that point was the overheime, like

1496
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 1: how much programming did you like? Now? Of course, if

1497
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 1: you ever tried or whatever, it's like ready made and

1498
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: you know it kind of does have to work for

1499
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 1: you at least to get the patch sound you want.

1500
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: But how did you have to pre program the stuff

1501
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 1: specifically to get that?

1502
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 16: Well, to be honest, at the very beginning, it was.

1503
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 20: It was actually really cool to just have the big fat,

1504
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 20: kind of like sloppy sounding you know, whatever the presets

1505
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 20: were when they were first coming out with presets, well,

1506
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:00,759
Speaker 20: and they just had a sound.

1507
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:03,639
Speaker 16: The only thing that we used to do was just like, wow,

1508
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 16: just turned the filter up.

1509
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 1: So there's no grand design like you just.

1510
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 20: No, in the beginning there kind of wasn't It was

1511
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 20: just yeah, and it just had a sound of its son.

1512
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 20: It was just as we would as we progressed and

1513
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 20: started learning more than we would kind of tweak the

1514
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:23,640
Speaker 20: sounds and make more sounds. But in the beginning, no,

1515
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:26,800
Speaker 20: it was really like, that's why you can get an

1516
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 20: Oberheim now and it sounds like you know, you're to

1517
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 20: whatever ce one and it's those are those horns?

1518
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 1: You know?

1519
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 16: Weren't you right?

1520
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:38,879
Speaker 1: So did you? Did you guys discover that your equipment

1521
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,600
Speaker 1: was stolen to make this record and every time you

1522
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 1: listen to super Freak like.

1523
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 17: That, well no, I mean my purple rain guitars were

1524
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 17: ripped off.

1525
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:55,799
Speaker 18: That pissed me off. Really yees wait who.

1526
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 1: Whoa how there was no other opening.

1527
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 17: Act but you guys, well, and we were loading the

1528
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 17: trucks and someone was eyeing, so they knew instantly the

1529
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 17: price listened.

1530
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 1: So another theme that uh I noticed that's recurring is

1531
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 1: the meticulous, uh hours of and relentless hours of practice

1532
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:35,560
Speaker 1: that you guys have had to put in. And I

1533
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 1: guess the ongoing joke, at least for all the things

1534
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 1: that I've collected, was that if there's anyone that's an

1535
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 1: expert at James Brown's body heat, it's you guys.

1536
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 16: Just when you said body heat, it was like a.

1537
01:21:55,240 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 19: Flat like slowly I turned step by step.

1538
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 1: Well, I would assume that he was working out stuff

1539
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 1: in his head in real time.

1540
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 18: But he'd have us not move for four hours and

1541
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 18: he'd be practicing dance moves.

1542
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,839
Speaker 1: Oh wow, really yeah, we were machine.

1543
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 20: We were the little presscoa. Okay, go and then don't

1544
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 20: don't move, and he'd be doing well.

1545
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 1: I kind of want to There was a period at

1546
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 1: least that I knew this, uh, somewhere between late controverty

1547
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:42,679
Speaker 1: no even I'll say between late nineteen ninety nine tour

1548
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 1: where his dancing was sort of awkward. I eve a

1549
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 1: dirty mind thing like it was more like a big

1550
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 1: Jagger thing. And then I guess the first time I

1551
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 1: realized like, oh god, this this guy's inherited the baton

1552
01:22:56,600 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 1: from James Brown's TAMMI show was I guess when you

1553
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 1: guys released the baby I'm a Star video clip from

1554
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 1: Maryland and I actually saw you guys as the new

1555
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 1: JBS like, was that just the relentless hours of rehearsing,

1556
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 1: and you know.

1557
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 17: If someone mentioned something about that, and I have to

1558
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 17: say that this is all a maturity thing, you know,

1559
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 17: And in those specific years, he became mature and he

1560
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:32,600
Speaker 17: felt very comfortable in his body. And the band that

1561
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 17: was behind him was relentlessly in tune to every movie made.

1562
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 17: And that was countless hours of not moving and giving

1563
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 17: him as much confidence and safety.

1564
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 18: In that environment to perfect that thing.

1565
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 16: It's like he was on the high wire, you know,

1566
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:55,560
Speaker 16: and we were like the balance, you know.

1567
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 20: We gave him theoph underneath to keep him up there,

1568
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 20: you know, and he could just spin around on it

1569
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 20: and we just never kept never looked away, you know,

1570
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 20: we kept our eyes on him.

1571
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 16: And that that we just became a body.

1572
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's probably i guess out there in the

1573
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 1: in the in the atmosphere, it's probably i'll say, maybe

1574
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 1: eighteen or nineteen hours of the morphing of Baby I'm

1575
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 1: a Star from when you guys were first rehearsing it

1576
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 1: for the show and it sounded very much like the

1577
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 1: album version. And then suddenly, like the BPMS gets hired,

1578
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,720
Speaker 1: and then suddenly you hear like the cues come in,

1579
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:41,640
Speaker 1: and I mean, at what point did you realize that,

1580
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 1: you know, with the idea of him stopping and all

1581
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 1: these cues that had to have been a nightmare at

1582
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 1: least tour wise.

1583
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:56,879
Speaker 16: And no not, it's kind of the contrary.

1584
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 1: It made it.

1585
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 17: It made it the job at hand, and we were

1586
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 17: it was you know, if you choose to take this mission,

1587
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 17: you know what I mean, we were there and ready

1588
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 17: to do it.

1589
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:11,839
Speaker 16: Yeah, and like what else you got trying stumping bad exactly.

1590
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 18: But at the same time, you know, every time we'd

1591
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 18: add some kind of like.

1592
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 17: If we put mutiny into something, or if we took

1593
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 17: a groove from somewhere else and you know, like tacked

1594
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 17: it in. It was every time we were dialed in

1595
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 17: in a groove, we looked forward to getting to that

1596
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 17: spot where that groove would happen.

1597
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,679
Speaker 16: It could happen because and then he would start doing

1598
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 16: the little yeah do that.

1599
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 17: Whenever it was dial it was almost like that thing

1600
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 17: that happens when you're when you first hit mocked two

1601
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 17: or three and you just you're it's like, yeah, you

1602
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 17: feel like the groove actually sits so tight you feel

1603
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 17: like you're in slow motion. When the groove is that good,

1604
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 17: and everyone looked forward to that moment, and every time

1605
01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 17: he wanted.

1606
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:00,680
Speaker 18: To push it and do more and more of it,

1607
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 18: we had the runners high with him.

1608
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:09,640
Speaker 1: So it okay. I know I'm asking like a lot

1609
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 1: of privileged questions, like the only only stuff that I've heard,

1610
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 1: like the average person hasn't heard. But I kind of

1611
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:22,640
Speaker 1: have to wonder if this is true. So if I

1612
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:26,599
Speaker 1: tend to notice that better, the best shows ever are

1613
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 1: always the shows with the least or in the cities

1614
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 1: with the least expectations. So I'll say that you know

1615
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 1: a town like Providence, Rhode Island, of I mean, as

1616
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 1: a person who's heard maybe at least seventy percent of

1617
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 1: all the Purple Rine concerts and like studied meticulously, I

1618
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 1: noticed that some of the smaller cities, you guys, were

1619
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 1: just like in this incredible zone. But I would listen

1620
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 1: to a New York show or an LA show and

1621
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 1: I'd be like, ah, man, they didn't they didn't do

1622
01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 1: it like that. So I can only imagine and and

1623
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 1: only having talked to Alan noticing that like Michael Jackson

1624
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 1: might be in an artist, I was just.

1625
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 17: Going to say, it depends who's on the list, who

1626
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 17: was on the guest list, So there was a lot

1627
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 17: of people on the guest list.

1628
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,919
Speaker 18: The show became really mannered, intense.

1629
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, if it was you know,

1630
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 1: like it was Kalamazoo Michigan. You guys had the time

1631
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 1: because it was.

1632
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:24,599
Speaker 16: For the fans.

1633
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 20: I mean yeah, it was more we didn't and it

1634
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 20: wasn't because it was famous people. It was more like

1635
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 20: we found it them in suits.

1636
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah really yeah, Well you two also hold that I

1637
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 1: guess that this distinctive doubIe signer of sort of crossing

1638
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 1: over from his stage world into his studio, which I

1639
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 1: guess the focal is that you know that that was

1640
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 1: Fort Knox or you know, just like no one gets

1641
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 1: influenced into and it didn't.

1642
01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 18: It's true, there was just a small group of people.

1643
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 1: How are you able to even gain trust on that

1644
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 1: level at least to play him things like here, listen

1645
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 1: to this and listen to this.

1646
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 16: He just offered it. I mean, well he.

1647
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 1: Said, I need inspiration.

1648
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 20: No no, no, no, no, I mean for me, if

1649
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 20: you don't mind, because I was there early on and

1650
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 20: even you know, like I lived in his house, you know,

1651
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 20: in early early days and you know, he'd take a

1652
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 20: nap or something like, I'd be in the studio messing

1653
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 20: around and he'd said, one time, I remember that piece of.

1654
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 16: Music I did for Miles, just my stepdad. It was

1655
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:34,559
Speaker 16: just for fun.

1656
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 20: And he was taking a nap and he was hearing

1657
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 20: me play and everything, and he was just like, that

1658
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:42,839
Speaker 20: was the I had the best dreams.

1659
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 16: And you know that was so beautiful, and so he

1660
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 16: knew what we had, you know, and.

1661
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 1: I can't stop you one second. You said the most

1662
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 1: amazing thing what Prince left?

1663
01:28:54,200 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 20: Oh yeah, oh no, it was just he blinks, that's

1664
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 20: really funny, got something in his eyes for a second.

1665
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:07,800
Speaker 18: This is this is something people don't know, but this

1666
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 18: is really really cute.

1667
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:10,679
Speaker 1: Okay.

1668
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 17: So in his bedrooms they're you know, I mean because

1669
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 17: he sleeps slept at funny hours. So you know, the

1670
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 17: rooms were black, but the blankets and the comforters were

1671
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 17: about three ft deep, right like just so he'd like

1672
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 17: you you you just see like a little tube of

1673
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 17: like an imprint of a little bag on the bed.

1674
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:42,759
Speaker 18: In his little just maybe a tiny little pillow imprint,

1675
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 18: but this is tube. I mean, it was he was

1676
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:49,679
Speaker 18: that sounds he was a tender button.

1677
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:52,679
Speaker 1: I thought it was like the nineteen ninety nine intercover

1678
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 1: with like the neon lights and watercolors.

1679
01:29:57,479 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 16: Well you know on his crow in the bathtub.

1680
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:03,640
Speaker 18: Yeah, you know he was, Oh no, he was.

1681
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 16: He was kitty with little pony.

1682
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 18: Yeah, Lisa and I used to call him my little pony.

1683
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 18: Did he hate that or like, no, he hated it,

1684
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 18: but he loved it.

1685
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 20: Who you know, and girls, girls love ponies, cute ponies.

1686
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 20: Never mind must change itself.

1687
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 1: So I meant at the at the rate where you know,

1688
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:41,120
Speaker 1: I guess uh laid eighty four, mid eighty five. I mean,

1689
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 1: you guys were pretty much a Lennon McCartney combination together.

1690
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 1: I mean, could you speak of an on just at

1691
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 1: the point where you were full fledged collaborators.

1692
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 17: And it became a parent that he really relied on

1693
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 17: us for a certain thing when he would be sending

1694
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:08,800
Speaker 17: just a master with just a scratch vocal and a

1695
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 17: piano idea and say finished this.

1696
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 18: Trust And so a lot of Sign of the Times was.

1697
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 16: Done that way.

1698
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 20: So just scale he was really he was more you know,

1699
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 20: making the movies and getting you know, he was getting

1700
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 20: his head into other things.

1701
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 1: Strange relationship was like that right. Yeah, what's weird was

1702
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 1: that you guys weren't using patches. You guys were there's

1703
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:34,320
Speaker 1: we played those were Middle Eastern like.

1704
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:36,639
Speaker 16: Yeah, we would get yeah, I mean whatever.

1705
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 18: Brother was also like a proficient So the song we

1706
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 18: Can Fuck was David.

1707
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:49,680
Speaker 17: Song Around the World Day was David and his you know,

1708
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 17: Arab and Farsi influences, so we used that stuff.

1709
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 1: You know, that's amazing. Okay, I know in private, I'll

1710
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 1: always ask about out the Japanese run. But I guess

1711
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:12,519
Speaker 1: in the past few months, I guess video has finally surfaced.

1712
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 1: The smashing of the guitar. He told me, when you

1713
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: saw the smashing, we just.

1714
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 18: Me and Lisa and Bobby looked each other and went,

1715
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:20,320
Speaker 18: it's over.

1716
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:25,600
Speaker 1: It's over, because why would he destroyed because.

1717
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 18: He was already pissed. He was pissed anyway. There was

1718
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 18: something happening and he was.

1719
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 17: Pissed, and there were more people on the stage, like

1720
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 17: Sheila's band was on the stage. He looked at me

1721
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 17: a couple of times during really pivotal sections and said layout.

1722
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 17: And when he says layout, you're out.

1723
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:46,200
Speaker 18: It's not good. When Prince.

1724
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 17: Right, when he looks at you and doesn't want you

1725
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 17: to play, he says layout. And when he said I

1726
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 17: was like, Oh, this is not good. What's going on?

1727
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 17: And then he looked at Miko and said turn me

1728
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:03,599
Speaker 17: go up.

1729
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 18: And I was like, ooh, there's something happening here. And

1730
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:10,600
Speaker 18: then when we played Purple Rain that night and he

1731
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 18: smashed the guitar, I was just wow, really is this happening.

1732
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:19,600
Speaker 18: I think it's happening. And we got off stage and

1733
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:21,680
Speaker 18: I was panicked. I felt it.

1734
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:24,760
Speaker 17: I felt it big, and Lisa, it's like, stop overreacting,

1735
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 17: stop overreacting.

1736
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:28,280
Speaker 18: Done it done? And I said no, no, I'm telling

1737
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 18: you this is it. It's done.

1738
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 17: We all flew back to our homes and Prince flew

1739
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:36,160
Speaker 17: back to La had a rental there. It's a funny story.

1740
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 17: We flew back again and he called us two days

1741
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:43,920
Speaker 17: later to go to the rental and pulled us into

1742
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:47,400
Speaker 17: the room and said, I'm going to be going in

1743
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:51,560
Speaker 17: a different direction and I can't ask you guys to

1744
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:54,839
Speaker 17: wear nipoles, bras and crotchless panties.

1745
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 16: He drew that true, and we went that's true.

1746
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 1: You know something. Letting somebody goes probably or at least

1747
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 1: reprimanding someone is that's one of the hardest things I

1748
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:12,720
Speaker 1: have to do, and I hate I.

1749
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 18: Can't stand it.

1750
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:17,559
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I'm amazed that he even.

1751
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:18,519
Speaker 15: He it was.

1752
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 17: It was incredible that he had that and that that

1753
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 17: he what he said was the way for him to

1754
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:31,720
Speaker 17: feel comfortable enough to let He knew that Willis and

1755
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:34,400
Speaker 17: I would go, well, you're right, we won't do that.

1756
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:37,920
Speaker 17: He knew that that was his in and I understood

1757
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:40,559
Speaker 17: that was his way of saying it, and I knew

1758
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:46,040
Speaker 17: ultimately that wasn't the truth. He just was ready to

1759
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:50,559
Speaker 17: take full control back and felt like I've spread myself

1760
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:55,920
Speaker 17: to Yeah. Yeah, it was just turning into it was

1761
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:56,880
Speaker 17: almost eighty seven.

1762
01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:59,240
Speaker 1: Wow, and did you guys go straight into your.

1763
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 18: Solo album right away? Me and Bobby and Lisa, we went, yeah.

1764
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 1: I have to say that you know more more than

1765
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 1: I think. The album came out with August thirty, first

1766
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:22,559
Speaker 1: of eighty seven. I'm sorry, I like the album came

1767
01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 1: out the same day that Michael Jackson's Bad came out,

1768
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:28,680
Speaker 1: and I distinctly remember listening to their record more than like,

1769
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, the whole world was waiting for bed and.

1770
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:34,879
Speaker 16: I know it's hilarious.

1771
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:35,599
Speaker 1: Wait what happened.

1772
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 16: She heard Bad on the radio. She called me from

1773
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 16: on the freeway.

1774
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 18: I had one of those phone with the big phone

1775
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:49,680
Speaker 18: on the phone after I heard bad on the radio whatever.

1776
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 17: And I was like, here's the single, but wait for it, Lisa,

1777
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:01,640
Speaker 17: keep that in your head, but.

1778
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:06,559
Speaker 18: Put them together.

1779
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:09,680
Speaker 16: And that was I was like, you're kidding me.

1780
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 18: This is a musician joke, like circus music. Circus music.

1781
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:17,519
Speaker 17: It's something that we joked about years prior as it

1782
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:20,880
Speaker 17: being like a joking musician yes, thing that goes like this,

1783
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:31,640
Speaker 17: this is a single, and we're both like, it's a

1784
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:32,200
Speaker 17: it's a.

1785
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:34,880
Speaker 16: Smash, smash my circus music.

1786
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 18: Give the people what they want exactly real quick.

1787
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 1: One of both of you were there for a meeting

1788
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 1: between Michael.

1789
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 13: And Prince right, not me, No, we were.

1790
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 16: We weren't there. He came back, No, we were.

1791
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:49,400
Speaker 1: No.

1792
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:51,560
Speaker 18: That was different was that when he wanted when he

1793
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:55,720
Speaker 18: when Prince got the call to sing on No.

1794
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 20: And he's like the first line, your buddy is mine. Okay,

1795
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:03,240
Speaker 20: who's seeing that one?

1796
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 22: On an interview with Chris Rocks, Like imagine me saying

1797
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 22: your blood is mine?

1798
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:12,720
Speaker 1: Right going to happen? I'm not singing it to you

1799
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:18,439
Speaker 1: you're not seeing it. He was like, so how did

1800
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 1: I mean not how did it feel to, you know,

1801
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:25,439
Speaker 1: start creating music on your own without his input? In put?

1802
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:30,400
Speaker 1: I mean, what were those first? If you know, I've

1803
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:34,599
Speaker 1: loved everything that you guys have done in your west Wing,

1804
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:38,080
Speaker 1: like everything. There's even west winging boot legs out there,

1805
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 1: and with the Yes, that's that's funny, that's all that's

1806
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:46,320
Speaker 1: obsessed with your fan base.

1807
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:47,240
Speaker 18: Here's the thing.

1808
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:55,320
Speaker 17: And I said, this is one of his memorials. Everything

1809
01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 17: that I played then and still playing now. I say

1810
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 17: to myself, I wonder if you'd like it really to

1811
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:09,240
Speaker 17: this day, I still do it. So he was sort

1812
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:13,400
Speaker 17: of a measure of my push and my standards.

1813
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 1: That's a hell of a standard to have. That's an

1814
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 1: amazing standard to have.

1815
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 18: Well, I'm sure you feel exactly the same way.

1816
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:25,519
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I mean, you know, I don't know why

1817
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:27,719
Speaker 1: no one's just called.

1818
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:36,559
Speaker 23: You because you're not no, but I mean it's it's

1819
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:40,200
Speaker 23: I mean to me, the you maintained an identity.

1820
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:43,320
Speaker 18: You maintained identity. You're not an imitation.

1821
01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:46,240
Speaker 17: There are plenty of people out there that are fanatics

1822
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:50,520
Speaker 17: for him and have emulated and learned everything.

1823
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 18: And they do not have an identity.

1824
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:56,360
Speaker 16: There's appreciation and then there's imitation exactly right.

1825
01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:58,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's actually okay, I have to ask what

1826
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:03,599
Speaker 1: did we you guys aware of? Okay, Okay, I work

1827
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:06,760
Speaker 1: with a lot of hip hops, which I mean, yeah,

1828
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:10,760
Speaker 1: I don't know those hip hop kids. I mean, you know,

1829
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 1: we we once had an aesthetic in the nineties, like

1830
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:15,720
Speaker 1: you know, no bite allowed, no copy and like, you know,

1831
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:18,680
Speaker 1: do your own thing individually. Now like everything's just derivative

1832
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:26,400
Speaker 1: of each other. But were you guys aware of the

1833
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:30,120
Speaker 1: ready for the worlds And but I don't know.

1834
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 18: As soon as I heard oh Sheila, I was like,

1835
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:34,479
Speaker 18: oh my god.

1836
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:36,600
Speaker 16: Here we go, Here we go.

1837
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:40,519
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that I feel like I

1838
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 1: always felt that this wasn't just like oh let me,

1839
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:47,679
Speaker 1: let me copy prints or whoever this. I just feel like, Okay,

1840
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:50,840
Speaker 1: you guys just happen to have the blueprint and these

1841
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:52,600
Speaker 1: are the new set of rules. So the way that

1842
01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:55,519
Speaker 1: cameo meds should in the comedy, like that was out

1843
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:58,120
Speaker 1: the windows and now this is this is the standard.

1844
01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:01,080
Speaker 18: So yeah, it's just like pink se elists, you.

1845
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:03,680
Speaker 1: Guys like laughing at like, you know, those groups in

1846
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:06,400
Speaker 1: the early eighties that were like.

1847
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 18: Some of them, only some really only some, But for

1848
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:13,160
Speaker 18: the most part I got it. You know, it's just

1849
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:13,839
Speaker 18: like everything.

1850
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:16,840
Speaker 17: You know, Chick singers in the sixties don't sound like

1851
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:20,559
Speaker 17: chicks singers in the eighties. Chick singers now with all

1852
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:21,760
Speaker 17: that malisma and.

1853
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 18: The and the mid range stuff is like.

1854
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:28,840
Speaker 17: What everyone sounds like that now, And that's just a

1855
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:30,840
Speaker 17: standards just.

1856
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:34,200
Speaker 20: How we Yeah, it's a human thing, how we evolve

1857
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:35,880
Speaker 20: kind of a hundredth monkey.

1858
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:40,679
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, were you guys this accepting in this politically

1859
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 1: correct patient now?

1860
01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:49,120
Speaker 16: No, No, we were, No, we were cocky kidding me.

1861
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 1: Well, because at one point, I, until I started hearing

1862
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:55,240
Speaker 1: the remsal tapes, I didn't even know if you guys

1863
01:40:55,320 --> 01:41:00,280
Speaker 1: were even aware of modern music. But then I would

1864
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:02,800
Speaker 1: hear like rehearsal taps in here, like, oh, okay, he

1865
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:06,000
Speaker 1: doesn't know about talking heads, and well, i'm.

1866
01:41:06,160 --> 01:41:11,920
Speaker 16: I you know, I have to say, I'm the Wendy's always,

1867
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:14,160
Speaker 16: I'm I'm the DJ.

1868
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:17,360
Speaker 18: I know, I know everything.

1869
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:21,400
Speaker 17: And when I when something was good, I pulled him

1870
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:25,800
Speaker 17: aside immediately, I mean I played him slave to the

1871
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:30,120
Speaker 17: rhythm and said, you have to listen to what happened

1872
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:34,280
Speaker 17: with these chords right now right.

1873
01:41:36,479 --> 01:41:39,679
Speaker 19: Steve Libson, Trevor Yes.

1874
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:44,559
Speaker 17: Co producer, but Bruce Lipson and Bruce Willie did those, Yeah,

1875
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:49,400
Speaker 17: And that was important for me to make sure he

1876
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:50,040
Speaker 17: heard that.

1877
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:56,200
Speaker 18: When when I remember after we had broken the band up.

1878
01:41:56,160 --> 01:41:59,840
Speaker 17: And Do the Right Thing had just come out and Lisai,

1879
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:03,920
Speaker 17: I went to Minneapolis and I was a fanatic for

1880
01:42:04,040 --> 01:42:10,439
Speaker 17: the main title song and ah, and I put it

1881
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:14,519
Speaker 17: on there and at Paisley and he.

1882
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:19,479
Speaker 1: Wait, you were still friends, yea, And.

1883
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:26,519
Speaker 17: He seemed visibly angry at the track, and it was

1884
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:30,080
Speaker 17: because he was so uneasy I think with Chuck d

1885
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:35,519
Speaker 17: and what that The cadence of Chuck's voice being in

1886
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:40,639
Speaker 17: that lower, sort of demanding frequency kind of freaked him out.

1887
01:42:41,080 --> 01:42:43,519
Speaker 10: It didn't seem it was like why are you?

1888
01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:45,200
Speaker 18: Why am I being assaulted with that?

1889
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:48,360
Speaker 17: And everybody as soon it was played in the room,

1890
01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:50,800
Speaker 17: everybody's getting up and dancing, And I think he really

1891
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:53,640
Speaker 17: it's like the metal people when they hear Nirvana, they

1892
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 17: oh my god, it's changed.

1893
01:42:56,120 --> 01:42:58,920
Speaker 18: And I think that he knew it changed right there.

1894
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:03,000
Speaker 16: He knew it, yeah, But he also he had a

1895
01:43:03,080 --> 01:43:04,800
Speaker 16: different goal, you know.

1896
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:09,439
Speaker 20: And I think he sometimes maybe found it hard to

1897
01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:14,080
Speaker 20: when when the weight would because I mean, come on,

1898
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:19,120
Speaker 20: Chuck D, that was genius and he knew it, but

1899
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:21,960
Speaker 20: it was it was the It was almost the antithesis

1900
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 20: of what Prince was trying to do, Like he was

1901
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:28,880
Speaker 20: aiming at your grandmother, now not at your kids.

1902
01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:31,759
Speaker 16: Chuck D was aiming at the kids.

1903
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 17: And then Prince came back with sexy motherfucker house quake,

1904
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:37,680
Speaker 17: and yeah, it's like I can do that.

1905
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:40,080
Speaker 16: I can fuck you up.

1906
01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:49,200
Speaker 1: Like you know, there's syndromes of people kind of embracing

1907
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:52,920
Speaker 1: things that they normally would resent in the first place

1908
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:56,960
Speaker 1: and then wind up embodying that it's just youth.

1909
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:00,280
Speaker 18: Just you know, time goes by and you go get it.

1910
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:02,240
Speaker 18: I totally get it.

1911
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 1: Well, okay. On on a final note, I would just

1912
01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:13,160
Speaker 1: like to know, uh, with the reunion of the group

1913
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:19,120
Speaker 1: and carrying out the mission, how how's this process been

1914
01:44:20,280 --> 01:44:24,120
Speaker 1: bringing the band? It's like the Blues Brothers. Wow, it's

1915
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:25,400
Speaker 1: blood on your.

1916
01:44:25,320 --> 01:44:28,599
Speaker 16: Thumb, It's blood on your thumb.

1917
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:30,040
Speaker 18: Lisa Lisa.

1918
01:44:31,439 --> 01:44:35,400
Speaker 17: Lisa described me and Bobby and Matt and Mark as

1919
01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:38,640
Speaker 17: five people jumping out of an airplane with our parachutes

1920
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:40,519
Speaker 17: on trying to do formations.

1921
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:48,120
Speaker 19: Each other's hands, and someone went down there too far

1922
01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:49,400
Speaker 19: and we're trying.

1923
01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:53,880
Speaker 1: To I have to say that I haven't seen the show,

1924
01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:59,840
Speaker 1: especially when when April came on. I mean, I told you,

1925
01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:03,120
Speaker 1: I ran out of there like I couldn't take it.

1926
01:45:03,680 --> 01:45:11,120
Speaker 18: Some people cry, some people cry, I.

1927
01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:22,280
Speaker 1: Was like, I need to run out. Well, I really

1928
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:25,720
Speaker 1: want to thank you to uh for for everything that

1929
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:28,519
Speaker 1: you guys represent. I mean, you know, I mean you

1930
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:31,680
Speaker 1: you would think the smallest SoundBite would mean nothing, but

1931
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:35,280
Speaker 1: it's just like you know, you read like, oh okay,

1932
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:39,120
Speaker 1: she's in joy Menchell. Now I'm at the library skilling

1933
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:42,680
Speaker 1: all the joy Mental records and I'm hearing that you're

1934
01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:44,800
Speaker 1: playing more chords with your fingers, and now I'm making

1935
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:47,960
Speaker 1: my keyboard players play like nine notes with just five

1936
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:48,600
Speaker 1: fingers and.

1937
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:52,240
Speaker 18: Lisa, Lisa does three on each.

1938
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:56,479
Speaker 1: And I've always told you, like you know, you're the

1939
01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:59,439
Speaker 1: heir apparent to Jimmy Chank Nolan of the JVS, and

1940
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:03,880
Speaker 1: it's it's you two are definitely one of my favorite

1941
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:05,920
Speaker 1: people ever, and I thank you so much for doing

1942
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:06,559
Speaker 1: the show with us.

1943
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 18: And just on a note for you, you.

1944
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:20,640
Speaker 17: Have been the greatest champion of him in such a beautiful, respectful,

1945
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:24,880
Speaker 17: intelligent way, and you have such a way of pointing

1946
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:29,000
Speaker 17: out just the right stuff that would be would help

1947
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:32,880
Speaker 17: the listeners understand him and what his musical influence is.

1948
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:36,120
Speaker 18: And you know, look, the Revolution.

1949
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:36,960
Speaker 1: Wasn't you know.

1950
01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:41,680
Speaker 17: We're not, you know, a bunch of Julliard grats. We

1951
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:45,200
Speaker 17: were a band that was meat and potatoes and clocked

1952
01:46:45,320 --> 01:46:49,800
Speaker 17: really well, but we were an entity and to have

1953
01:46:50,120 --> 01:46:54,000
Speaker 17: you validate that for us is really lovely for us.

1954
01:46:54,040 --> 01:47:09,400
Speaker 1: Wow on it, ladies, and gentlemen, Lisa and Wendy, we're

1955
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:12,160
Speaker 1: on the road broadcasting from Minneapolis where we just finished

1956
01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:15,439
Speaker 1: talking to some core members a Prince's former band of Revolution.

1957
01:47:16,040 --> 01:47:18,680
Speaker 1: Now let's chop it up with Prince's original guitarist Deus

1958
01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:22,519
Speaker 1: Dickerson an original bassist, Andre Simone. Give it up, ladies,

1959
01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:34,240
Speaker 1: and yeah, So we've been pretty much just reminiscent telling stories,

1960
01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:39,720
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of interested in everyone's beginnings before they

1961
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:44,640
Speaker 1: arrive in Minnesota and sort of develop, I guess, or

1962
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:48,880
Speaker 1: become a part of the movement that will become the

1963
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:53,360
Speaker 1: movement that will influence a lot of people. Now, of course, Andre,

1964
01:47:53,720 --> 01:47:57,400
Speaker 1: I know that you're probably key to the very beginnings

1965
01:47:57,479 --> 01:48:04,519
Speaker 1: of Prince's life as far as his uh musical movement is.

1966
01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:08,640
Speaker 1: But what was w what was your musical background as

1967
01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:12,559
Speaker 1: far as your family's concerned, and before you guys developed

1968
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:14,880
Speaker 1: what you did, Like, what was childhood like? And you

1969
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:15,919
Speaker 1: were born in Minnesota?

1970
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:19,960
Speaker 24: Yeah, okay, Oh, my dad was a musician. That was

1971
01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:23,360
Speaker 24: my musical background. And to my family, my brothers and sisters,

1972
01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:26,559
Speaker 24: I was the youngest of six, and you know, they

1973
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:31,120
Speaker 24: all had various musical you know, tastes, and that had

1974
01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:33,880
Speaker 24: a lot to do with uh, you know, just my

1975
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:38,200
Speaker 24: pers my personal kind of perspective on music.

1976
01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:42,519
Speaker 1: So what did your father play base? Okay, was the

1977
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:44,960
Speaker 1: d d D? I mean, what was the environment like

1978
01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:49,160
Speaker 1: in Bobby and and Fink explain, uh, sort of explained

1979
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:52,600
Speaker 1: how they grew up in the suburbs of Minnesota. And

1980
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:56,800
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that there was such a deep music

1981
01:48:56,920 --> 01:48:59,160
Speaker 1: culture here. I mean as far as them explaining what

1982
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:03,200
Speaker 1: the folk music was like. But I mean, what area

1983
01:49:03,320 --> 01:49:04,080
Speaker 1: was your father in.

1984
01:49:04,280 --> 01:49:13,920
Speaker 24: That we are the projects projects are pretty much all

1985
01:49:13,960 --> 01:49:15,200
Speaker 24: the same all around the country.

1986
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:18,560
Speaker 1: So so how did I know that, you know, the

1987
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:23,040
Speaker 1: music was very regional. You know, now with the internet.

1988
01:49:23,680 --> 01:49:27,080
Speaker 1: You know, someone in Siberia can get right a reference

1989
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:30,200
Speaker 1: that came from southern Georgia that you know, in in

1990
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:35,040
Speaker 1: lightning time. But I mean, how how did culture and

1991
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:37,880
Speaker 1: and and what was hip and what was not hit

1992
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:40,080
Speaker 1: and what was you know, how how did you discern

1993
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:42,680
Speaker 1: what was what? Well?

1994
01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:47,320
Speaker 24: I mean, you know again y and I don't I

1995
01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:49,160
Speaker 24: probably don't have to tell you this. I mean, you know,

1996
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:54,719
Speaker 24: being black period, you know in America is an interesting

1997
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:57,680
Speaker 24: you know, just reality, right, And so being black and

1998
01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:02,640
Speaker 24: and a predominant, very predominantly society, you know, and and

1999
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:05,360
Speaker 24: obviously during the time that I was growing up and

2000
01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:08,240
Speaker 24: becoming conscious and understanding what was going on in the world,

2001
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:13,120
Speaker 24: you know, it's a very very you know, moving experience.

2002
01:50:13,200 --> 01:50:15,639
Speaker 24: Cause music is g is is unbelievable. I mean, cause

2003
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:19,920
Speaker 24: you Motown, you know obviously M James Brown, you know,

2004
01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:21,920
Speaker 24: and then you know, obviously you know the Beatles, and

2005
01:50:22,160 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 24: you know Jacksonville. Well a lot of n lot of

2006
01:50:24,160 --> 01:50:26,519
Speaker 24: stuff was happening, and a lot of people were saying

2007
01:50:26,600 --> 01:50:30,720
Speaker 24: some very very interesting stuff, you know. And for you know,

2008
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:33,280
Speaker 24: f my my family was very very militant, very much

2009
01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:36,280
Speaker 24: you know, into the community. So just I mean I

2010
01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:40,600
Speaker 24: think that combination really had a lot to do with,

2011
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:43,920
Speaker 24: you know, musically, a lot to do with at least

2012
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:46,000
Speaker 24: where I came from, where my family was coming from,

2013
01:50:46,040 --> 01:50:47,240
Speaker 24: cause we were you know, I had a cousin that

2014
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:49,120
Speaker 24: was in the music. He was in a band, and

2015
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:51,960
Speaker 24: that's how he even got exposed to a band. You know,

2016
01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:54,040
Speaker 24: my cousin, uh was in a band, so we'd you know,

2017
01:50:54,120 --> 01:50:55,800
Speaker 24: I went to go see and rehearse when I was like,

2018
01:50:56,240 --> 01:50:58,000
Speaker 24: you know, a kid, and that's how I even knew

2019
01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:01,240
Speaker 24: how you conducted rehearsals. So I brought that you know

2020
01:51:01,400 --> 01:51:03,800
Speaker 24: attitude toward uh when we started a band.

2021
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:08,240
Speaker 1: So your your band experience, Uh, I would assume in school, Like,

2022
01:51:08,280 --> 01:51:10,759
Speaker 1: what was the first band that you joined or formed?

2023
01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:12,320
Speaker 24: We started Grand Central?

2024
01:51:12,479 --> 01:51:14,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the fir Grand Center was your first.

2025
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:16,960
Speaker 24: That was all of our first band? Yeah, R well,

2026
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:19,719
Speaker 24: me and Prince and and Charles you know stuff.

2027
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:21,280
Speaker 1: How did you two meet to even know that you

2028
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:22,280
Speaker 1: had something in common?

2029
01:51:23,720 --> 01:51:25,840
Speaker 24: You know, I, like I said, I I came from

2030
01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:26,439
Speaker 24: the projects.

2031
01:51:26,640 --> 01:51:26,800
Speaker 1: Right.

2032
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:33,080
Speaker 24: My mom uh, you know, she was I guess at fifteen,

2033
01:51:33,320 --> 01:51:35,320
Speaker 24: you know, had a first child at fourteen whatever. But

2034
01:51:35,479 --> 01:51:38,959
Speaker 24: you know, my dad was very old fashioned. They divorced.

2035
01:51:39,120 --> 01:51:42,320
Speaker 24: She wound up going back to school college, got a degree,

2036
01:51:43,800 --> 01:51:46,200
Speaker 24: and uh wound up getting a a a really good job,

2037
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:49,040
Speaker 24: moved our family out of the projects into a an

2038
01:51:49,120 --> 01:51:51,600
Speaker 24: upper middle class black neighborhood. And I had to go

2039
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:55,840
Speaker 24: to a different school, and so I just, you know,

2040
01:51:56,240 --> 01:51:58,880
Speaker 24: the new school was like, you know, I didn't know

2041
01:51:58,920 --> 01:52:01,880
Speaker 24: anybody there, right. Literally, I just they they line you up,

2042
01:52:01,880 --> 01:52:05,000
Speaker 24: they put you in the gymnasium. They line everybody up,

2043
01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:07,400
Speaker 24: and it was just a line of dudes, and I

2044
01:52:07,439 --> 01:52:09,640
Speaker 24: didn't know anybody, and I just thought, I don't know

2045
01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:11,680
Speaker 24: any of these dudes, and I I don't even know

2046
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:13,760
Speaker 24: if I like any of 'em. So I looked down

2047
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:15,880
Speaker 24: the whole line, and then I saw this one dude

2048
01:52:16,479 --> 01:52:18,080
Speaker 24: that looked a little bit like me, and I thought,

2049
01:52:18,479 --> 01:52:20,760
Speaker 24: I'll go stand next to him. So I stood next

2050
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:22,160
Speaker 24: to him and I said, hey man, I'm My name

2051
01:52:22,240 --> 01:52:24,719
Speaker 24: was Andre, you know. He's like, oh, my name is Prince,

2052
01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:26,639
Speaker 24: I said, you know. So we start talking.

2053
01:52:26,680 --> 01:52:27,200
Speaker 1: I said what do you do?

2054
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:28,720
Speaker 24: You said, I do music. I said, oh, so do

2055
01:52:28,840 --> 01:52:30,840
Speaker 24: I I said what do you place it? I played piano.

2056
01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:34,840
Speaker 24: I said, oh, I played bass, you know, And he

2057
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:36,800
Speaker 24: said we should hook up. My dad has you know,

2058
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:41,519
Speaker 24: like a piano and you know, a little I didn't

2059
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:42,920
Speaker 24: have a bass at the time, so he said his

2060
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:46,640
Speaker 24: dad has a little, uh, four string acoustic guitar kind

2061
01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:49,400
Speaker 24: of bass slash whatever. So we went over there and

2062
01:52:49,439 --> 01:52:50,519
Speaker 24: that's that's how we hooked up.

2063
01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:51,200
Speaker 18: Yeah.

2064
01:52:51,880 --> 01:52:55,200
Speaker 1: Wow, everyone's f bass story in Minnesota starts with just

2065
01:52:55,320 --> 01:52:58,479
Speaker 1: four string, right. Frown Mark was saying that he ordered

2066
01:52:58,520 --> 01:53:01,479
Speaker 1: a a base in the series catalog and broke two strings.

2067
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:05,320
Speaker 1: Two strings were broken, So that's he came from from.

2068
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:10,840
Speaker 1: Faced by default, was the name Prince a usual thing

2069
01:53:11,080 --> 01:53:15,960
Speaker 1: in in the sixties, like you know, I you know,

2070
01:53:16,040 --> 01:53:18,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't John or Thomas or you know, like.

2071
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:26,320
Speaker 24: Mostly among probably small four layen animals. But his dad's

2072
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:28,080
Speaker 24: stage name was Prince Roger.

2073
01:53:28,360 --> 01:53:31,280
Speaker 1: But you didn't think that was unusual that that's your name, Prince,

2074
01:53:31,439 --> 01:53:35,200
Speaker 1: like you know, he wasn't relentlessly teased for having.

2075
01:53:35,200 --> 01:53:37,000
Speaker 24: You know, well, I don't know, I mean you have

2076
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:40,120
Speaker 24: to well you can't ask him, but I have no idea.

2077
01:53:40,160 --> 01:53:43,080
Speaker 24: But I know that in that community, in that neighborhood,

2078
01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:46,080
Speaker 24: we had Caesar, you know, we had.

2079
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 1: So unusual names were just starting.

2080
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:51,960
Speaker 24: Yeah, there was a lot of veryous sort of you know,

2081
01:53:52,920 --> 01:53:54,600
Speaker 24: regal names and then you know.

2082
01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:59,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so at what point did you two start playing

2083
01:53:59,200 --> 01:54:02,400
Speaker 1: together to know that that, okay, we gel and maybe

2084
01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:04,320
Speaker 1: we should do something right then? Yeah, that was.

2085
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:06,160
Speaker 24: That was cause when we went over to his dad's

2086
01:54:06,160 --> 01:54:08,680
Speaker 24: house and we jammed, you know, we were like, we

2087
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:11,200
Speaker 24: hit it off. I mean, cause it was it was

2088
01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:14,120
Speaker 24: the first time I ever met anybody that had the

2089
01:54:14,240 --> 01:54:17,920
Speaker 24: same passion about music that I did before that. I

2090
01:54:19,240 --> 01:54:21,599
Speaker 24: you know, tell you know, I would tell anybody you know, look,

2091
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:25,080
Speaker 24: I I you know, I'm gonna be i'm'a be a superstar.

2092
01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:27,000
Speaker 24: I'm gonna be you know, Jackson five, I'm gonna do this.

2093
01:54:27,040 --> 01:54:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm'a do that.

2094
01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:30,000
Speaker 24: And people would laugh at me. And when I would

2095
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:33,120
Speaker 24: say it to him, he was like, it was like, yeah,

2096
01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:33,600
Speaker 24: let's do it.

2097
01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:37,520
Speaker 1: So anyway, so was there a a a thought to

2098
01:54:37,800 --> 01:54:41,280
Speaker 1: make it happen in Minnesota or did you two think that, Okay,

2099
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:44,560
Speaker 1: well we have to go elsewhere and let's go to

2100
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:48,440
Speaker 1: Los Angeles and there we'll make it as musicians.

2101
01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:50,520
Speaker 24: Like no, no, no, no, Well it wasn't that, you know,

2102
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:52,600
Speaker 24: I mean, I think the the reality is, I don't

2103
01:54:52,600 --> 01:54:56,600
Speaker 24: think kids think like that. Cause we were like thirteen fourteen.

2104
01:54:56,680 --> 01:54:59,560
Speaker 24: Maybe you don't think I don't think you think like that.

2105
01:54:59,680 --> 01:55:02,080
Speaker 24: I think you just put together band cause I think

2106
01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:03,520
Speaker 24: at the time that.

2107
01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:04,200
Speaker 1: Was what was going on.

2108
01:55:04,360 --> 01:55:06,200
Speaker 24: I mean, there was a lot of really cool bands,

2109
01:55:06,640 --> 01:55:08,040
Speaker 24: you know. Like I said, my cousin was one of

2110
01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:09,760
Speaker 24: the he was a drummer from one of the the

2111
01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:12,400
Speaker 24: the dopest bands in the in the city. And he

2112
01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:15,480
Speaker 24: was unbelievable drummer. And then you know, you had other

2113
01:55:15,560 --> 01:55:17,560
Speaker 24: things like the Elks and stuff like that that were

2114
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:20,320
Speaker 24: all those were big things for you know, young kids

2115
01:55:20,360 --> 01:55:23,000
Speaker 24: who wanna be a musicians. So but I think you just,

2116
01:55:23,640 --> 01:55:26,680
Speaker 24: you know, the attitude was that you gotta start here first,

2117
01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:29,000
Speaker 24: you gotta start, put put a band together, and you start,

2118
01:55:29,120 --> 01:55:30,760
Speaker 24: I mean, you know does knows this stuff.

2119
01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure you did the same thing. You gotta put

2120
01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:33,480
Speaker 1: a band together.

2121
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:35,760
Speaker 24: And then you gotta you know, then you gotta you know,

2122
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:36,480
Speaker 24: move from there.

2123
01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:39,560
Speaker 1: So it does. Were you born in Minnesota, like, what's.

2124
01:55:39,400 --> 01:55:42,720
Speaker 13: Your I was born in Saint Paul, Ah, Yeah.

2125
01:55:42,600 --> 01:55:44,400
Speaker 1: So it was life different in Saint Paul than it

2126
01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:48,120
Speaker 1: was in Minneapolis or was it really a twin city?

2127
01:55:48,160 --> 01:55:50,320
Speaker 13: And I I I it's definitely a twin cities thing,

2128
01:55:50,360 --> 01:55:50,480
Speaker 13: you know.

2129
01:55:50,600 --> 01:55:54,000
Speaker 25: Saint Paul was sort of the more provincial, you know,

2130
01:55:54,320 --> 01:55:58,160
Speaker 25: twin sister of of Minneapolis, but but less so then,

2131
01:55:58,440 --> 01:55:59,920
Speaker 25: you know what I mean. There was a lot more

2132
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:03,200
Speaker 25: similarity I think, between the cities then. But my folks

2133
01:56:03,240 --> 01:56:06,600
Speaker 25: had moved up from from the south. They were from Clarksville, Tennessee.

2134
01:56:07,200 --> 01:56:09,640
Speaker 25: My dad moved up to go to art school and

2135
01:56:09,800 --> 01:56:11,360
Speaker 25: then basically cool.

2136
01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:12,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2137
01:56:12,760 --> 01:56:16,040
Speaker 13: Yeah, His older brother was at the U of M.

2138
01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:20,160
Speaker 25: And was in his like his senior year or something,

2139
01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:23,000
Speaker 25: so he brought no, no, he was, he was in

2140
01:56:23,120 --> 01:56:26,120
Speaker 25: his doctorate, that's what it was. And he brought my

2141
01:56:26,360 --> 01:56:28,040
Speaker 25: dad up because my dad wanted to come over here

2142
01:56:28,080 --> 01:56:30,800
Speaker 25: to go to art school. So he convinced my mom

2143
01:56:30,920 --> 01:56:33,360
Speaker 25: to marry him, brought her up, and so I was

2144
01:56:33,480 --> 01:56:34,720
Speaker 25: born and raised up here.

2145
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:40,200
Speaker 1: Really, So, what's your musical angle, your connection, Like, what

2146
01:56:40,400 --> 01:56:42,480
Speaker 1: was your first moment in discovering music?

2147
01:56:42,600 --> 01:56:44,160
Speaker 13: And well, my dad was a musician.

2148
01:56:44,440 --> 01:56:47,400
Speaker 25: He was a sax player, and he quit to raise

2149
01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:50,080
Speaker 25: the family. So he actually joined the navy, was actually

2150
01:56:50,160 --> 01:56:52,240
Speaker 25: in the ship's band, played sacks in the navy and

2151
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:55,800
Speaker 25: got out and you know, started working two three jobs,

2152
01:56:56,160 --> 01:56:59,200
Speaker 25: so one of my earliest memories is hearing waking up

2153
01:56:59,200 --> 01:57:00,800
Speaker 25: in the middle of the night hearing music. When my

2154
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:04,000
Speaker 25: dad was working like sort of second shift post office.

2155
01:57:04,040 --> 01:57:07,400
Speaker 25: He would get off work and I remember one night

2156
01:57:07,600 --> 01:57:10,640
Speaker 25: waking up hearing music and kind of creeping halfway down

2157
01:57:10,680 --> 01:57:12,760
Speaker 25: the stairs so I could see what was going on

2158
01:57:12,760 --> 01:57:15,240
Speaker 25: in the living room and there's like four cats playing

2159
01:57:15,320 --> 01:57:18,120
Speaker 25: saxophone in the living room at you know, two o'clock.

2160
01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:18,320
Speaker 13: In the morning.

2161
01:57:18,680 --> 01:57:21,240
Speaker 25: Well, that's because my dad would get off work, you know,

2162
01:57:21,560 --> 01:57:24,200
Speaker 25: wide awake work with some other guys that were also musicians,

2163
01:57:24,640 --> 01:57:26,880
Speaker 25: and it would be like, well, just come on over

2164
01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:28,920
Speaker 25: to my place and we'll jam. So they would jam

2165
01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:30,720
Speaker 25: like in the middle of the night when I was

2166
01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:34,160
Speaker 25: a little kid. So to me, music was just something

2167
01:57:34,720 --> 01:57:37,520
Speaker 25: that was just there and that was what people did.

2168
01:57:37,680 --> 01:57:40,520
Speaker 25: He had a huge, huge record collection and you know

2169
01:57:40,920 --> 01:57:41,480
Speaker 25: that whole thing.

2170
01:57:42,280 --> 01:57:48,560
Speaker 1: So, knowing your history and your vocabulary and knowing how

2171
01:57:48,640 --> 01:57:51,520
Speaker 1: much of a tredder you are in the rock influence,

2172
01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:57,400
Speaker 1: am I'd just assume that you chose that particular route

2173
01:57:58,040 --> 01:58:01,600
Speaker 1: to go straight rock to adapt into the environment that

2174
01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:04,360
Speaker 1: you were in, or like, did it just naturally speak

2175
01:58:04,400 --> 01:58:05,000
Speaker 1: to you, Like, well.

2176
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:06,480
Speaker 13: It just spoke to me. It chose me.

2177
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:09,160
Speaker 25: I mean when I was until I was in fourth grade,

2178
01:58:09,240 --> 01:58:11,800
Speaker 25: we lived in the Inner City. Then my dad it

2179
01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:15,160
Speaker 25: was really he really felt it important to move us

2180
01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:21,280
Speaker 25: out into a better school system. So but even while

2181
01:58:21,480 --> 01:58:24,880
Speaker 25: we were still you know, in the hood, it was

2182
01:58:25,120 --> 01:58:27,480
Speaker 25: it was guitar that spoke to me. I remember going

2183
01:58:27,560 --> 01:58:30,360
Speaker 25: through my dad's record collection and he had this King

2184
01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:33,960
Speaker 25: Curtis single and I flipped it over, played the B

2185
01:58:34,240 --> 01:58:37,240
Speaker 25: side and it was this rocous like rock and roll thing,

2186
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:41,080
Speaker 25: and I was like mesmerized. I mean I would listen

2187
01:58:41,160 --> 01:58:44,520
Speaker 25: to it over and over again. So I just always

2188
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:46,720
Speaker 25: felt like rock chose me.

2189
01:58:46,840 --> 01:58:49,520
Speaker 13: I didn't choose it. You know, it was in my

2190
01:58:49,680 --> 01:58:51,240
Speaker 13: DNA somehow, some way.

2191
01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:55,400
Speaker 1: What were the early bands that you joined before.

2192
01:58:56,040 --> 01:58:58,000
Speaker 13: I started a slew of bands?

2193
01:58:58,080 --> 01:59:02,120
Speaker 25: My first one, I was fourteen years old and I

2194
01:59:02,200 --> 01:59:03,960
Speaker 25: had to pay to get in my first gig. We

2195
01:59:04,040 --> 01:59:07,280
Speaker 25: played like the ninth grad dance, you know, Junior High had.

2196
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:09,680
Speaker 13: The first gig.

2197
01:59:10,440 --> 01:59:13,000
Speaker 25: But you know it was like all like Grand Funk

2198
01:59:13,120 --> 01:59:15,840
Speaker 25: Railroad and you know, that whole thing, and the first

2199
01:59:16,400 --> 01:59:17,080
Speaker 25: several lands.

2200
01:59:17,080 --> 01:59:20,360
Speaker 13: Because I was in I formed or was in like

2201
01:59:20,640 --> 01:59:22,040
Speaker 13: nine different bands.

2202
01:59:22,040 --> 01:59:24,640
Speaker 25: Before the audition at Dell's Tire Mart, you know, all

2203
01:59:24,680 --> 01:59:28,000
Speaker 25: those years later, so you know, it was always about

2204
01:59:28,160 --> 01:59:30,760
Speaker 25: power trios in the beginning, you know, playing a whole

2205
01:59:30,840 --> 01:59:33,560
Speaker 25: lot of like Black Sabbath and led Zeppelin and Deep.

2206
01:59:33,400 --> 01:59:37,720
Speaker 13: Purple and you know, anything with long guitar solos in it.

2207
01:59:38,200 --> 01:59:39,120
Speaker 13: That's what it was about.

2208
01:59:39,880 --> 01:59:43,280
Speaker 1: So okay, well to hear this, this this tale the

2209
01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:48,000
Speaker 1: Two Cities, I mean, how expansive did your vocabulary And

2210
01:59:48,040 --> 01:59:51,080
Speaker 1: this is for Andre and I mean how expansive did

2211
01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:56,400
Speaker 1: your vocabulary have to be in order to get these

2212
01:59:56,440 --> 01:59:59,720
Speaker 1: soap hop gigs and whatnot? Like, you know, would you

2213
01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:03,200
Speaker 1: say that you're would you have to adapt to whatever

2214
02:00:03,520 --> 02:00:06,160
Speaker 1: environment you were in. If you knew that it was

2215
02:00:06,200 --> 02:00:08,640
Speaker 1: a high school for you know, black kids, you would

2216
02:00:08,720 --> 02:00:11,880
Speaker 1: know what the black stuff was. And then if you

2217
02:00:12,440 --> 02:00:15,080
Speaker 1: I mean, was it integrated audiences?

2218
02:00:15,160 --> 02:00:18,480
Speaker 25: By that point was in my background because we we

2219
02:00:18,680 --> 02:00:23,560
Speaker 25: had to literally go from playing little tiny towns you know,

2220
02:00:23,680 --> 02:00:26,800
Speaker 25: East Crevice, Iowa at the teen Center.

2221
02:00:27,040 --> 02:00:29,480
Speaker 13: You know where we would go from playing huge traveling.

2222
02:00:29,600 --> 02:00:30,200
Speaker 13: Oh yeah, I was.

2223
02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:32,600
Speaker 25: My folks used to have to write me notes to

2224
02:00:32,640 --> 02:00:34,840
Speaker 25: get me out of school early all through high school

2225
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:35,600
Speaker 25: so I could go.

2226
02:00:36,640 --> 02:00:39,000
Speaker 13: We found a dude that could drive, and we would

2227
02:00:39,040 --> 02:00:39,840
Speaker 13: go and we would play.

2228
02:00:39,960 --> 02:00:42,040
Speaker 25: So we would have to go from like playing you know,

2229
02:00:42,120 --> 02:00:45,600
Speaker 25: an Emerson Lncoln Palmer song to an average white band

2230
02:00:45,720 --> 02:00:47,480
Speaker 25: song to you know whatever.

2231
02:00:47,880 --> 02:00:49,240
Speaker 13: So it was definitely about that.

2232
02:00:49,360 --> 02:00:51,440
Speaker 25: But again I had grown up seeing that because in

2233
02:00:51,520 --> 02:00:54,240
Speaker 25: the Twin Cities at that time, in the sixties, there

2234
02:00:54,320 --> 02:00:58,440
Speaker 25: were multi racial bands. There were bands that had you know,

2235
02:00:58,920 --> 02:01:02,120
Speaker 25: blacks and whites and Hispanics and and everybody.

2236
02:01:02,520 --> 02:01:04,040
Speaker 13: Some of the most popular.

2237
02:01:03,720 --> 02:01:07,040
Speaker 25: Bands in town were multi racial, and you know, so

2238
02:01:07,400 --> 02:01:09,520
Speaker 25: in this market, it was just it was just a

2239
02:01:09,640 --> 02:01:10,320
Speaker 25: different thing.

2240
02:01:10,840 --> 02:01:13,160
Speaker 13: Now you had to play the people's music. But that's

2241
02:01:13,240 --> 02:01:13,880
Speaker 13: just the way it was.

2242
02:01:14,400 --> 02:01:17,480
Speaker 1: So was it as utopian for you? Andrea's Oh was

2243
02:01:17,520 --> 02:01:18,080
Speaker 1: it just straight?

2244
02:01:18,280 --> 02:01:26,680
Speaker 24: Like no, no, no, We you know, we played phone

2245
02:01:27,200 --> 02:01:29,200
Speaker 24: R and B and we played in the hood. We

2246
02:01:29,240 --> 02:01:31,600
Speaker 24: played at one of the clubs called a Bucket of Blood.

2247
02:01:32,840 --> 02:01:33,920
Speaker 1: It was called Bucket of Blood.

2248
02:01:33,960 --> 02:01:37,120
Speaker 24: We literally my brother, I mean, you know, because like

2249
02:01:37,200 --> 02:01:38,920
Speaker 24: I said, we came from the other side of the

2250
02:01:39,040 --> 02:01:42,240
Speaker 24: town and so we were playing at you know clubs

2251
02:01:42,280 --> 02:01:45,120
Speaker 24: where you know, people were getting shot stabbed.

2252
02:01:44,720 --> 02:01:47,280
Speaker 1: And you know, my brother was there with his girls,

2253
02:01:47,360 --> 02:01:49,200
Speaker 1: and you know, it was just it was.

2254
02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:52,160
Speaker 24: It was a different reality, you know. And then my

2255
02:01:52,240 --> 02:01:54,040
Speaker 24: mom you know, would get a lot of our a

2256
02:01:54,120 --> 02:01:57,720
Speaker 24: lot of our gigs and so you know, and then

2257
02:01:57,760 --> 02:01:59,800
Speaker 24: you know, we played at barbecues, We played it back

2258
02:02:00,040 --> 02:02:02,920
Speaker 24: as you know, we played it, you know, anytime somebody

2259
02:02:03,120 --> 02:02:05,640
Speaker 24: was you know, having to get together. You know, sometimes

2260
02:02:05,680 --> 02:02:08,160
Speaker 24: there even be you know, parties people have down their

2261
02:02:08,200 --> 02:02:10,320
Speaker 24: basement and they want somebody to play and we you know,

2262
02:02:10,440 --> 02:02:13,320
Speaker 24: so we you know, it was it was, it was

2263
02:02:13,360 --> 02:02:14,200
Speaker 24: another reality.

2264
02:02:14,880 --> 02:02:18,640
Speaker 1: Okay. So at the rate where I kind of want

2265
02:02:18,680 --> 02:02:22,440
Speaker 1: to push it up a little bit that you guys

2266
02:02:22,720 --> 02:02:28,080
Speaker 1: paths cross because I assume that in Prince's first incarnation

2267
02:02:28,280 --> 02:02:32,160
Speaker 1: of the band included both Des and Andre.

2268
02:02:32,400 --> 02:02:35,000
Speaker 25: Well, Andre is definitely the og because you guys started

2269
02:02:35,040 --> 02:02:36,400
Speaker 25: out in school together.

2270
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:38,400
Speaker 1: Right, But I mean at the rate where when he

2271
02:02:38,560 --> 02:02:41,440
Speaker 1: got a deal, like how big of a deal was

2272
02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:47,840
Speaker 1: that once it reached the local Minneapolis circuit, like one

2273
02:02:47,880 --> 02:02:50,360
Speaker 1: of us is gonna make it or that that's like

2274
02:02:50,520 --> 02:02:51,560
Speaker 1: was it a big deal or was.

2275
02:02:51,560 --> 02:02:57,160
Speaker 24: It just like okay, yeah, it was a big deal. Absolutely,

2276
02:02:57,200 --> 02:02:58,400
Speaker 24: it was a big deal. I mean it was like

2277
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:02,040
Speaker 24: this is what we you know, what we had worked

2278
02:03:02,120 --> 02:03:03,240
Speaker 24: for and built.

2279
02:03:03,040 --> 02:03:05,880
Speaker 1: Up to I mean, was it was it awkward though,

2280
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:10,800
Speaker 1: I mean, because I don't know if I'm pretty sure

2281
02:03:10,840 --> 02:03:14,240
Speaker 1: that with anyone it's like, okay, if we get there first,

2282
02:03:14,240 --> 02:03:15,920
Speaker 1: then I'll pull you with me and that sort of thing.

2283
02:03:16,000 --> 02:03:18,960
Speaker 1: But this is clearly like, okay, one of you is

2284
02:03:19,040 --> 02:03:22,800
Speaker 1: going to be the focus in the center of it,

2285
02:03:22,960 --> 02:03:25,000
Speaker 1: as opposed to it being a group situation.

2286
02:03:25,560 --> 02:03:29,760
Speaker 24: You know, it's interesting. I heard a I guess there

2287
02:03:29,840 --> 02:03:33,240
Speaker 24: was a documentary with Chris Moon, okay, because our band,

2288
02:03:33,560 --> 02:03:36,160
Speaker 24: you know, we had won a Battle of the Bands

2289
02:03:36,920 --> 02:03:41,400
Speaker 24: and one of the prizes was free recording studio time

2290
02:03:42,240 --> 02:03:44,480
Speaker 24: and I think maybe seventy five dollars or.

2291
02:03:44,440 --> 02:03:44,800
Speaker 13: Something like that.

2292
02:03:45,280 --> 02:03:48,920
Speaker 24: But so that's that's really kind of how it happened,

2293
02:03:49,400 --> 02:03:51,720
Speaker 24: you know, I know that it's you know, there's all

2294
02:03:51,800 --> 02:03:54,320
Speaker 24: sorts of different stories and everybody's got the myths and

2295
02:03:54,400 --> 02:03:56,640
Speaker 24: all that, but the reality is that's what happened. And

2296
02:03:56,760 --> 02:03:59,920
Speaker 24: Chris Moon, you know, heard us playing. He was trying

2297
02:03:59,960 --> 02:04:02,680
Speaker 24: to figure out how he could get in, you know,

2298
02:04:02,840 --> 02:04:05,600
Speaker 24: get in involved with this this band because at the

2299
02:04:05,680 --> 02:04:08,960
Speaker 24: time we were hot. We paid the dues and worked

2300
02:04:09,000 --> 02:04:11,880
Speaker 24: that way up and everybody was you know, really talking

2301
02:04:11,920 --> 02:04:14,120
Speaker 24: about us. I mean at the time. It was as

2302
02:04:14,160 --> 02:04:16,560
Speaker 24: a band, right, and it wasn't like oh just this

2303
02:04:16,680 --> 02:04:18,760
Speaker 24: guy or oh just that guy or what oh whatever,

2304
02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:23,320
Speaker 24: But cause he came in and if you watch the documentary,

2305
02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:25,480
Speaker 24: he says, you know, I went up to you know,

2306
02:04:25,680 --> 02:04:26,960
Speaker 24: cause he came up to me and he asked me,

2307
02:04:27,000 --> 02:04:28,320
Speaker 24: and I said, you need to talk to my manager.

2308
02:04:28,360 --> 02:04:30,480
Speaker 24: And then he went to Prince, he said, cause he said,

2309
02:04:30,680 --> 02:04:32,920
Speaker 24: he looked like he'd be the you know, easiest guy

2310
02:04:33,000 --> 02:04:34,320
Speaker 24: to sort of deal talk to you.

2311
02:04:34,480 --> 02:04:37,840
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I would like to know at what point

2312
02:04:38,480 --> 02:04:43,160
Speaker 1: do you really push the envelope, because you guys weren't

2313
02:04:43,480 --> 02:04:49,360
Speaker 1: just an average group. I mean, your your television debut

2314
02:04:50,840 --> 02:04:59,080
Speaker 1: caused many many Uh yeah, I mean I I remember

2315
02:04:59,200 --> 02:05:02,960
Speaker 1: seeing a thing. It was Midnight Special before or after

2316
02:05:03,040 --> 02:05:08,560
Speaker 1: American Bandstand. They were real close together, close to the well.

2317
02:05:08,840 --> 02:05:09,880
Speaker 3: I remember.

2318
02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:17,040
Speaker 1: That whole story. I remember Midnight Special and just the

2319
02:05:18,600 --> 02:05:24,160
Speaker 1: utter tone and discuss my dad had about it, you know,

2320
02:05:24,600 --> 02:05:28,320
Speaker 1: and all he took away from it was no, no

2321
02:05:28,440 --> 02:05:30,720
Speaker 1: boys should be wearing no dipe on no stage like

2322
02:05:31,840 --> 02:05:37,200
Speaker 1: you guys just looked like nothing ever on, Like who's

2323
02:05:38,880 --> 02:05:41,280
Speaker 1: I mean, how are you guys like with a straight face?

2324
02:05:41,440 --> 02:05:44,640
Speaker 1: Like Okay, we're just gonna do things that we've never

2325
02:05:44,720 --> 02:05:50,120
Speaker 1: done before. I mean, how has that even come to fruition?

2326
02:05:50,400 --> 02:05:52,160
Speaker 1: Like who you know?

2327
02:05:52,280 --> 02:05:54,320
Speaker 25: I think a lot of what that that sort of

2328
02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:57,080
Speaker 25: natural chemistry between you and Prince when you just first

2329
02:05:57,120 --> 02:05:59,560
Speaker 25: saw each other in school that day. I mean I

2330
02:05:59,640 --> 02:06:02,080
Speaker 25: think that actually kind of play itself out in the

2331
02:06:02,160 --> 02:06:02,800
Speaker 25: band a lot.

2332
02:06:02,920 --> 02:06:04,920
Speaker 13: Absolutely well, it wasn't like you know, we we.

2333
02:06:05,720 --> 02:06:08,240
Speaker 1: So you guys even stood out even in the local

2334
02:06:08,560 --> 02:06:12,560
Speaker 1: localization of Yeah, no, I mean we were. You know,

2335
02:06:12,680 --> 02:06:16,080
Speaker 1: it's like, who is your closest competition band wise and

2336
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:21,760
Speaker 1: nobody who's in second?

2337
02:06:22,640 --> 02:06:22,680
Speaker 3: No?

2338
02:06:22,760 --> 02:06:24,840
Speaker 1: No, no, I just meant in terms of when you

2339
02:06:25,520 --> 02:06:28,560
Speaker 1: I'm talking about in terms of Grand Central, what other

2340
02:06:28,680 --> 02:06:29,960
Speaker 1: band would you Okay?

2341
02:06:32,040 --> 02:06:37,840
Speaker 24: Uh, Sunny Thompson their band, They had the most unbelievable

2342
02:06:38,560 --> 02:06:41,840
Speaker 24: band in the city at the time, bar and I

2343
02:06:41,920 --> 02:06:43,840
Speaker 24: mean like, I mean I would go see them. I

2344
02:06:43,920 --> 02:06:48,440
Speaker 24: mean I was, you know, I was extremely cocky. You know,

2345
02:06:48,520 --> 02:06:50,760
Speaker 24: I was like, I you know, my attitude about being

2346
02:06:50,800 --> 02:06:53,160
Speaker 24: a musician because I really felt like, if you really

2347
02:06:53,200 --> 02:06:55,240
Speaker 24: do what you're supposed to do, practice and play and

2348
02:06:55,360 --> 02:06:57,360
Speaker 24: all that kind of stuff, then you know, you pay

2349
02:06:57,440 --> 02:06:59,000
Speaker 24: the cost to be the boss. So I would talk

2350
02:06:59,080 --> 02:07:01,400
Speaker 24: a lot of trash and just you know, it was

2351
02:07:01,520 --> 02:07:04,760
Speaker 24: basically in my nature at the time, you know, you know,

2352
02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:06,480
Speaker 24: Prince was a little more laid back, but I was

2353
02:07:06,840 --> 02:07:09,280
Speaker 24: probably the opposite of that. So I was always talking trash.

2354
02:07:09,600 --> 02:07:11,400
Speaker 24: But the one band and I didn't talk. You know,

2355
02:07:11,480 --> 02:07:13,560
Speaker 24: I went I remember going to one of their gigs

2356
02:07:14,160 --> 02:07:16,400
Speaker 24: a you know, thinking about t I went there specifically

2357
02:07:16,480 --> 02:07:18,240
Speaker 24: to talk trash so we could that's how we would

2358
02:07:18,280 --> 02:07:21,160
Speaker 24: get gigs mm And I went there specifically, you know,

2359
02:07:21,320 --> 02:07:23,240
Speaker 24: to talk talk trash. And I went there and I

2360
02:07:23,360 --> 02:07:26,160
Speaker 24: was like, cause Sonny was killing it and the drummer

2361
02:07:26,520 --> 02:07:27,360
Speaker 24: and then Randy Barber.

2362
02:07:27,440 --> 02:07:28,600
Speaker 10: But the drummer was.

2363
02:07:28,680 --> 02:07:30,240
Speaker 24: Joe Lewis is still a friend of mine. I mean,

2364
02:07:30,600 --> 02:07:34,080
Speaker 24: Joe Lewis is just I mean, he was the coolest

2365
02:07:34,680 --> 02:07:37,600
Speaker 24: drummer ever because he would do all of this stuff

2366
02:07:37,720 --> 02:07:40,080
Speaker 24: that you know, you know, all the funky stuff, all

2367
02:07:40,080 --> 02:07:43,080
Speaker 24: the funky licks, but he just always had this ram

2368
02:07:43,200 --> 02:07:45,120
Speaker 24: and he had this fro and he just looked like

2369
02:07:45,240 --> 02:07:47,160
Speaker 24: I mean, it was the seventies and it was just

2370
02:07:47,240 --> 02:07:50,600
Speaker 24: he was the epitome of the cool drummer. And so

2371
02:07:50,840 --> 02:07:52,760
Speaker 24: I was just blown. I'm that just that, and I

2372
02:07:52,840 --> 02:07:55,480
Speaker 24: went back and said, we got up our game, you know,

2373
02:07:55,960 --> 02:07:58,760
Speaker 24: and so and that wasn't even a you know, distance act.

2374
02:07:58,880 --> 02:08:01,680
Speaker 1: That was like a distant way beyond our whole thing.

2375
02:08:01,680 --> 02:08:03,560
Speaker 24: And that's when I was like, we got out our game.

2376
02:08:03,640 --> 02:08:07,280
Speaker 1: So anyway, there's one particular project I would like to

2377
02:08:07,320 --> 02:08:11,440
Speaker 1: talk about that never really came to light unless you're

2378
02:08:11,880 --> 02:08:17,680
Speaker 1: deep in the bootleg circle, and that's the Rebels. What

2379
02:08:17,960 --> 02:08:21,320
Speaker 1: was the was the Rebels just like a weekend idea, like, hey,

2380
02:08:21,440 --> 02:08:25,240
Speaker 1: let's just for start as you guys record at the

2381
02:08:25,280 --> 02:08:29,320
Speaker 1: speed of sound and you know, the the entire project

2382
02:08:29,360 --> 02:08:33,640
Speaker 1: can be done within a week. So t to even

2383
02:08:33,720 --> 02:08:36,320
Speaker 1: have that much output in in such a little time, Like,

2384
02:08:36,400 --> 02:08:38,960
Speaker 1: what was the the beginnings of the Rebels or the

2385
02:08:39,160 --> 02:08:41,440
Speaker 1: idea of it? Or was that just a folklore that's

2386
02:08:41,480 --> 02:08:46,760
Speaker 1: only in Minnesota fan music? Mind? It's real?

2387
02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:49,440
Speaker 24: But yeah, I can I can tell you what the

2388
02:08:49,640 --> 02:08:54,080
Speaker 24: real give me the real I mean, like you know,

2389
02:08:54,200 --> 02:08:56,320
Speaker 24: I mean, I know the folk lore, but what was

2390
02:08:56,400 --> 02:08:58,400
Speaker 24: the what was the basis? The real deal is is

2391
02:08:59,240 --> 02:09:03,360
Speaker 24: he had a band of very talented musicians, you know,

2392
02:09:04,280 --> 02:09:06,120
Speaker 24: and you know we had done some stuff, you know,

2393
02:09:06,400 --> 02:09:09,600
Speaker 24: and we probably could have gone off and done other things.

2394
02:09:09,920 --> 02:09:12,960
Speaker 24: So rather than have us scramble out into different areas

2395
02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:15,080
Speaker 24: and go do solo things here on our own thing,

2396
02:09:15,160 --> 02:09:17,960
Speaker 24: then it might be a good idea to give them

2397
02:09:18,040 --> 02:09:19,600
Speaker 24: something to occupy themselves.

2398
02:09:20,640 --> 02:09:22,520
Speaker 1: So this is keeping from moonlighting.

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02:09:23,280 --> 02:09:24,880
Speaker 13: It's kind of like it's kind of like the same

2400
02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:26,600
Speaker 13: theory that some parents use.

2401
02:09:27,080 --> 02:09:29,760
Speaker 25: Well, would rather have you have the party here, We'll

2402
02:09:29,800 --> 02:09:31,800
Speaker 25: get the alcohol and make sure that you don't leave

2403
02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:32,120
Speaker 25: the house.

2404
02:09:36,040 --> 02:09:36,800
Speaker 1: But it was so fun.

2405
02:09:36,880 --> 02:09:39,440
Speaker 24: I mean, you know, we had I mean, we had

2406
02:09:39,560 --> 02:09:41,480
Speaker 24: so much fun. And that was that was you know,

2407
02:09:41,520 --> 02:09:43,080
Speaker 24: I got to know Des a whole lot better.

2408
02:09:43,160 --> 02:09:45,160
Speaker 1: And does why didn't you guys come out?

2409
02:09:45,360 --> 02:09:49,720
Speaker 24: Dez is one of the funniest dudes on the planet Earth.

2410
02:09:49,800 --> 02:09:52,600
Speaker 24: He kept me and Stitch especially that project go ahead.

2411
02:09:52,600 --> 02:09:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Yeah, why didn't it come out?

2412
02:09:56,320 --> 02:10:01,080
Speaker 25: It was a decision that was never really clear articulated

2413
02:10:01,120 --> 02:10:04,160
Speaker 25: to us, you know what I mean, which happened from

2414
02:10:04,200 --> 02:10:06,320
Speaker 25: time to time subsequently, because.

2415
02:10:06,040 --> 02:10:09,320
Speaker 1: Those songs weren't complete. There's at least five or six

2416
02:10:09,400 --> 02:10:11,760
Speaker 1: that oh yeah, it could have easily been on the

2417
02:10:11,840 --> 02:10:12,640
Speaker 1: Dirney Mine record.

2418
02:10:12,720 --> 02:10:15,600
Speaker 25: Yeah, it was a record, and it had the different

2419
02:10:15,640 --> 02:10:18,240
Speaker 25: personalities of the different members of the band because everybody

2420
02:10:18,320 --> 02:10:21,000
Speaker 25: wrote stuff and everybody brought things to the table, and

2421
02:10:21,160 --> 02:10:24,560
Speaker 25: that was his His vision was that everybody contribute, you know,

2422
02:10:24,960 --> 02:10:27,880
Speaker 25: so personally maybe you know something I know, but I

2423
02:10:27,880 --> 02:10:28,880
Speaker 25: don't know what happened to it.

2424
02:10:29,040 --> 02:10:31,320
Speaker 1: Who always in this band? Who exactly were the members?

2425
02:10:32,360 --> 02:10:34,640
Speaker 1: It was the band, yeah, Andre and I. Gail Chapman

2426
02:10:34,720 --> 02:10:37,920
Speaker 1: was a keyboard player at the time, and it was

2427
02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:39,880
Speaker 1: the same band. But I guess Prince would have lessened

2428
02:10:39,960 --> 02:10:41,920
Speaker 1: his rule and made it less about him and more

2429
02:10:41,920 --> 02:10:45,160
Speaker 1: about a band unit. At least that was the idea,

2430
02:10:45,240 --> 02:10:48,280
Speaker 1: I assume, yeah, And I think.

2431
02:10:49,160 --> 02:10:53,040
Speaker 24: What happened because the record company when they got it,

2432
02:10:53,440 --> 02:10:56,360
Speaker 24: they wanted thriller or killer to be the single.

2433
02:10:56,920 --> 02:10:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.

2434
02:10:59,560 --> 02:11:01,440
Speaker 24: That probably might have been a b you know, cause

2435
02:11:01,440 --> 02:11:03,480
Speaker 24: the whole life, the whole idea was to get the

2436
02:11:03,600 --> 02:11:06,560
Speaker 24: band and occupy them until we did the next to

2437
02:11:06,640 --> 02:11:09,720
Speaker 24: already finished, you know, his next record, to put out

2438
02:11:09,720 --> 02:11:12,000
Speaker 24: a single with one of the band numbers, you know,

2439
02:11:12,080 --> 02:11:16,960
Speaker 24: this song as the lead single. It could maybe be successful,

2440
02:11:17,520 --> 02:11:21,080
Speaker 24: which would change sort of, you know, you could lose

2441
02:11:21,080 --> 02:11:23,840
Speaker 24: a certain amount of control, you know, possibly, But you know,

2442
02:11:23,960 --> 02:11:25,920
Speaker 24: I think the thing is is it bottom line is

2443
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:30,040
Speaker 24: I think everybody at the time were very dedicated to

2444
02:11:30,240 --> 02:11:32,520
Speaker 24: his thing, to his project. I know I was to

2445
02:11:33,360 --> 02:11:35,200
Speaker 24: So it was like, I mean, and I only found

2446
02:11:35,240 --> 02:11:38,080
Speaker 24: that out through obviously through the management, cause i'd you know,

2447
02:11:38,160 --> 02:11:40,920
Speaker 24: the manager was constantly talking to me because you know,

2448
02:11:41,720 --> 02:11:43,440
Speaker 24: you know, Prince wasn't a big talker.

2449
02:11:44,280 --> 02:11:46,400
Speaker 1: I know, it has to be word to mix friendship

2450
02:11:46,480 --> 02:11:50,760
Speaker 1: with business, and it's like, at one point you guys

2451
02:11:50,800 --> 02:11:53,480
Speaker 1: are best friends, but then like, clearly someone has to

2452
02:11:53,560 --> 02:11:56,520
Speaker 1: be the forty nine fifty one percent of it all

2453
02:11:56,640 --> 02:11:59,920
Speaker 1: and that could make it awkward. Probably the most notable thing,

2454
02:12:01,080 --> 02:12:05,440
Speaker 1: at least for both of you is that both of

2455
02:12:05,520 --> 02:12:10,000
Speaker 1: you stepped away from the camp and left camp right

2456
02:12:10,080 --> 02:12:16,320
Speaker 1: at the moment when the I I guess, the the

2457
02:12:16,720 --> 02:12:20,200
Speaker 1: the the climax or the explosion at least for what

2458
02:12:20,320 --> 02:12:23,560
Speaker 1: you guys have been relentlessly doing all these endless hours

2459
02:12:23,600 --> 02:12:28,000
Speaker 1: of rehearsal for. And you know we we've already discussed,

2460
02:12:28,080 --> 02:12:34,600
Speaker 1: uh the Rolling Stone situation, what's happened in LA and

2461
02:12:35,080 --> 02:12:41,640
Speaker 1: uh another segment. But at what point I mean, I'm

2462
02:12:41,680 --> 02:12:44,680
Speaker 1: not saying for regrets or anything like that, but I mean,

2463
02:12:45,040 --> 02:12:47,680
Speaker 1: how hard was the decision at least for both of

2464
02:12:47,760 --> 02:12:50,120
Speaker 1: you to step away at the times when you both

2465
02:12:50,200 --> 02:12:53,840
Speaker 1: did uh to to pursue your own career in your

2466
02:12:53,880 --> 02:12:54,440
Speaker 1: own interest.

2467
02:12:54,880 --> 02:12:56,680
Speaker 25: I mean, for me, it really wasn't hard at all

2468
02:12:56,880 --> 02:13:01,080
Speaker 25: because the the day that I auditioned at Dell's Tire Mart,

2469
02:13:01,160 --> 02:13:04,480
Speaker 25: the infamous fifteen minute audition, Prince and I went out

2470
02:13:04,480 --> 02:13:07,760
Speaker 25: in the parking lot. He asked me some very deep,

2471
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:12,080
Speaker 25: very career minded questions for a young man of that age,

2472
02:13:12,720 --> 02:13:17,280
Speaker 25: and basically said, you know, he posed.

2473
02:13:17,040 --> 02:13:17,800
Speaker 13: It to me this way.

2474
02:13:18,680 --> 02:13:20,560
Speaker 25: Would you be willing to come help me do what

2475
02:13:20,680 --> 02:13:23,440
Speaker 25: I do? And then when the time comes, you know,

2476
02:13:24,200 --> 02:13:26,840
Speaker 25: you help me make this thing work, then I'll help

2477
02:13:26,920 --> 02:13:28,680
Speaker 25: you do what you do. So we had a deal

2478
02:13:28,800 --> 02:13:31,360
Speaker 25: from the beginning that at some point I was going

2479
02:13:31,440 --> 02:13:34,800
Speaker 25: to go back to being a front man, to be

2480
02:13:35,440 --> 02:13:38,600
Speaker 25: a band leader guy. So he came to me after

2481
02:13:38,760 --> 02:13:42,360
Speaker 25: nineteen ninety nine and said, look, here's the deal this film.

2482
02:13:42,680 --> 02:13:48,040
Speaker 25: I need a solid three year commitment to the films. Yeah,

2483
02:13:49,080 --> 02:13:51,400
Speaker 25: and at that point in time, I just couldn't get

2484
02:13:51,480 --> 02:13:54,640
Speaker 25: my mind around three more years. So the other option

2485
02:13:54,920 --> 02:13:58,200
Speaker 25: was management will take you on right now and we'll

2486
02:13:58,200 --> 02:13:58,800
Speaker 25: get your record.

2487
02:13:58,840 --> 02:13:59,800
Speaker 13: Do you can go do your thing?

2488
02:14:00,360 --> 02:14:03,640
Speaker 25: It just for me, it really really felt like I

2489
02:14:03,800 --> 02:14:06,120
Speaker 25: need to do this now. So it was it was

2490
02:14:06,240 --> 02:14:08,280
Speaker 25: not hard at all, and I was back out on

2491
02:14:08,360 --> 02:14:11,520
Speaker 25: the road within you know, four months. I was out

2492
02:14:12,040 --> 02:14:14,600
Speaker 25: solo shows first, then on the Rebel Yel tour with

2493
02:14:14,680 --> 02:14:16,280
Speaker 25: Billy Idol the special guest out there.

2494
02:14:16,360 --> 02:14:20,360
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I remember that, uh, Dre, I guess it

2495
02:14:20,520 --> 02:14:24,160
Speaker 1: should also be noted. I mean, you've done a lot

2496
02:14:24,240 --> 02:14:27,560
Speaker 1: of work, uh since your actually probably the the the

2497
02:14:27,640 --> 02:14:32,680
Speaker 1: most notable is uh your production for Jody Whitley's uh

2498
02:14:33,760 --> 02:14:37,520
Speaker 1: first three, first three albums. What was that transition like?

2499
02:14:37,880 --> 02:14:41,200
Speaker 1: And I mean what was the feeling to I mean

2500
02:14:41,280 --> 02:14:44,520
Speaker 1: really really truly score. I mean because this wasn't just

2501
02:14:44,680 --> 02:14:47,960
Speaker 1: like you know, throw it on the wall and see

2502
02:14:48,000 --> 02:14:49,560
Speaker 1: if this you know type of m I mean, this

2503
02:14:49,680 --> 02:14:54,280
Speaker 1: was really impactful and it was Grammy nominated, well it won,

2504
02:14:54,760 --> 02:14:57,080
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, so what was that just process?

2505
02:14:57,320 --> 02:14:57,360
Speaker 15: Like?

2506
02:14:57,960 --> 02:14:59,600
Speaker 24: Well, I'd have to agree with that as it was

2507
02:14:59,720 --> 02:15:04,280
Speaker 24: easy easy to leave that situation, not just because it's like,

2508
02:15:04,440 --> 02:15:07,160
Speaker 24: you know, my old thing was you know, three albums,

2509
02:15:07,320 --> 02:15:08,600
Speaker 24: you know about it. You know, that should give you

2510
02:15:08,720 --> 02:15:11,080
Speaker 24: enough time for your thing to jump off, and you

2511
02:15:11,160 --> 02:15:13,440
Speaker 24: know then I wanted because I never thought about being

2512
02:15:13,480 --> 02:15:16,680
Speaker 24: anybody's band so so, and then I did the solo

2513
02:15:16,800 --> 02:15:19,120
Speaker 24: stuff and I did space music and the record company

2514
02:15:19,160 --> 02:15:19,640
Speaker 24: didn't get it.

2515
02:15:19,640 --> 02:15:20,400
Speaker 13: And they didn't promote it.

2516
02:15:20,880 --> 02:15:22,520
Speaker 24: So I went and said, if you guys are not

2517
02:15:22,560 --> 02:15:23,880
Speaker 24: gonna promote it, why don't you just drop me.

2518
02:15:23,880 --> 02:15:26,280
Speaker 1: They wouldn't drop me. They heard Kelly's eyes and didn't

2519
02:15:26,320 --> 02:15:27,160
Speaker 1: feel like, yo.

2520
02:15:27,600 --> 02:15:31,120
Speaker 24: This isn't like and so I mean, but that's that

2521
02:15:31,280 --> 02:15:33,480
Speaker 24: was it, and so they wouldn't let me off the label.

2522
02:15:33,520 --> 02:15:36,000
Speaker 24: So I quit recording, and so I thought, well, I

2523
02:15:36,080 --> 02:15:38,680
Speaker 24: gotta make some money. And I met Jodie when I

2524
02:15:38,800 --> 02:15:44,200
Speaker 24: was doing the video for Fans Electric, and you know,

2525
02:15:44,280 --> 02:15:47,760
Speaker 24: we wound up hanging out and I was like, you

2526
02:15:48,880 --> 02:15:51,080
Speaker 24: are really really talented.

2527
02:15:51,120 --> 02:15:51,600
Speaker 1: You should you know.

2528
02:15:51,680 --> 02:15:54,000
Speaker 24: And she had some some stuff that she was working on,

2529
02:15:55,200 --> 02:15:58,120
Speaker 24: and I was like, I'd love to, you know, shoot

2530
02:15:58,160 --> 02:16:01,680
Speaker 24: you some tracks, and I shout up, I think five tracks,

2531
02:16:01,760 --> 02:16:04,600
Speaker 24: and she wrote lyrics to him, and I guess the

2532
02:16:04,680 --> 02:16:05,640
Speaker 24: rest is history.

2533
02:16:05,360 --> 02:16:08,360
Speaker 1: And he started working on That's amazing. I wish I

2534
02:16:08,440 --> 02:16:10,200
Speaker 1: had more time because I have so much more I

2535
02:16:10,280 --> 02:16:12,680
Speaker 1: want to ask, but I want to thank you Des

2536
02:16:12,720 --> 02:16:15,120
Speaker 1: and Andre for being on the show. And we'll be

2537
02:16:15,200 --> 02:16:22,960
Speaker 1: back with Susannah Melvoyn Wow, What can I say about

2538
02:16:23,000 --> 02:16:26,960
Speaker 1: our next guest? One of my favorite favorite people ever.

2539
02:16:28,640 --> 02:16:33,840
Speaker 1: Can't say enough about Susannah Melboyn, twin sister of Wendy

2540
02:16:33,920 --> 02:16:40,000
Speaker 1: Melvoy and member of the Family Seminal Group, who's nineteen

2541
02:16:40,080 --> 02:16:44,040
Speaker 1: eighty five record Like had tremendous influence on me, and

2542
02:16:45,280 --> 02:16:48,600
Speaker 1: not to mention just her presence alone is inspired so

2543
02:16:50,400 --> 02:16:55,800
Speaker 1: much life changing material. Welcome Susannah Melvoy to Quest Love Supreme.

2544
02:16:58,320 --> 02:16:59,400
Speaker 13: Susanna's Pajamas.

2545
02:16:59,680 --> 02:17:01,480
Speaker 1: Yes, Susanna, how are you?

2546
02:17:01,879 --> 02:17:02,400
Speaker 16: I'm good?

2547
02:17:03,080 --> 02:17:07,680
Speaker 1: I have to know growing up in such a musical

2548
02:17:07,720 --> 02:17:13,320
Speaker 1: family in California. And first of all, do you play

2549
02:17:13,480 --> 02:17:18,640
Speaker 1: any instruments? Because I'm curious about siblings who where one

2550
02:17:18,720 --> 02:17:22,240
Speaker 1: particular sibling picks up an instrument and the other doesn't.

2551
02:17:22,440 --> 02:17:27,000
Speaker 1: I know that Alan Leeds's brother, Eric's a monster saxophonist,

2552
02:17:27,080 --> 02:17:31,720
Speaker 1: but doesn't necessarily he doesn't play instruments himself. Like, are

2553
02:17:31,800 --> 02:17:33,360
Speaker 1: you do you play any instruments?

2554
02:17:33,800 --> 02:17:38,160
Speaker 18: Well, I, like many singers, I can play the guitar,

2555
02:17:38,280 --> 02:17:41,720
Speaker 18: I can play piano, but that's not the that's not

2556
02:17:41,800 --> 02:17:45,480
Speaker 18: what I do. Okay, So yeah, no, I was well,

2557
02:17:45,520 --> 02:17:49,800
Speaker 18: while Wendy was playing guitar lessons, I was ballet answer,

2558
02:17:50,120 --> 02:17:54,040
Speaker 18: and then we were both session singers as kids because

2559
02:17:54,080 --> 02:17:54,560
Speaker 18: of my dad.

2560
02:17:54,959 --> 02:18:00,040
Speaker 1: So, I mean, in did you have any design I

2561
02:18:00,160 --> 02:18:04,320
Speaker 1: used to become singing yourself? You were you just you

2562
02:18:04,480 --> 02:18:06,880
Speaker 1: just happen to have a good singing voice. And that

2563
02:18:07,080 --> 02:18:07,240
Speaker 1: was that.

2564
02:18:07,440 --> 02:18:11,520
Speaker 18: And you know, I never thought of anything else ever

2565
02:18:12,640 --> 02:18:18,520
Speaker 18: I had. I was terrible in school. I was great

2566
02:18:18,680 --> 02:18:23,000
Speaker 18: in art, and I was horrible in school. And I

2567
02:18:23,400 --> 02:18:25,800
Speaker 18: was thankful that. I was like, I don't need to

2568
02:18:25,840 --> 02:18:27,840
Speaker 18: go to school anyway, because I I have this other

2569
02:18:27,879 --> 02:18:30,160
Speaker 18: thing I want to do, and that's all I know

2570
02:18:30,280 --> 02:18:32,520
Speaker 18: how to do. That's that's what I do. That's what

2571
02:18:32,640 --> 02:18:35,920
Speaker 18: I was born into. Wendy and I and even and Lisa,

2572
02:18:36,480 --> 02:18:39,800
Speaker 18: all of our families grew up together. Our parents were

2573
02:18:40,120 --> 02:18:43,440
Speaker 18: session players and they were wrecking crew, and we just

2574
02:18:43,800 --> 02:18:47,160
Speaker 18: we were just in music all the time. We went

2575
02:18:47,200 --> 02:18:49,199
Speaker 18: to schools where you know, you had to play recorder

2576
02:18:49,320 --> 02:18:51,720
Speaker 18: and nursery school and you had to play violin in

2577
02:18:51,760 --> 02:18:55,160
Speaker 18: the second grade, and you were we were. Wendy and

2578
02:18:55,200 --> 02:18:57,480
Speaker 18: I were in all state choruses. And it says, you know,

2579
02:18:57,959 --> 02:19:01,400
Speaker 18: we just that's what we did. And but there was

2580
02:19:01,480 --> 02:19:02,240
Speaker 18: a time when.

2581
02:19:02,680 --> 02:19:05,800
Speaker 1: Your sister mentioned something when she talked about her first

2582
02:19:05,920 --> 02:19:10,760
Speaker 1: encounter with Prince and she said, it's so as a

2583
02:19:10,840 --> 02:19:12,600
Speaker 1: matter of fact that it didn't even hit me to

2584
02:19:12,760 --> 02:19:16,440
Speaker 1: question it. She said, we were thirteen years old inside

2585
02:19:16,480 --> 02:19:19,240
Speaker 1: of a nightclub. I'm like, wait, what was the carning

2586
02:19:19,440 --> 02:19:24,040
Speaker 1: policy or y'all that developed physical? Yeah, I was going

2587
02:19:24,120 --> 02:19:29,000
Speaker 1: to say kind of both. It was you know, before

2588
02:19:29,040 --> 02:19:30,920
Speaker 1: those times where you know, I don't know how we.

2589
02:19:30,920 --> 02:19:32,880
Speaker 18: Got away with it, but dad were going out tonight.

2590
02:19:33,560 --> 02:19:34,760
Speaker 18: How old are you thirteen?

2591
02:19:35,120 --> 02:19:35,320
Speaker 17: Yeah?

2592
02:19:35,640 --> 02:19:37,080
Speaker 18: So as I was picking us up, we're going to

2593
02:19:37,120 --> 02:19:39,960
Speaker 18: go to the Starwood and uh oh he told them

2594
02:19:39,959 --> 02:19:44,480
Speaker 18: the truth right straight up? Oh, straight up, like we're

2595
02:19:44,480 --> 02:19:45,240
Speaker 18: going to library.

2596
02:19:45,840 --> 02:19:49,280
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no. I went to church to

2597
02:19:49,400 --> 02:19:52,120
Speaker 1: sneak to see the Thanksgiving purple range that I got

2598
02:19:52,160 --> 02:19:52,680
Speaker 1: a busman.

2599
02:19:52,920 --> 02:19:53,880
Speaker 19: Oh, this was crazy.

2600
02:19:53,959 --> 02:19:56,480
Speaker 17: Wendy and I would go at thirteen year old girls

2601
02:19:57,160 --> 02:20:00,040
Speaker 17: and we would We were the only I don't I

2602
02:20:00,200 --> 02:20:01,800
Speaker 17: know how it happened, but Wendy and I were the

2603
02:20:01,879 --> 02:20:04,840
Speaker 17: only girls at thirteen who were not going out to

2604
02:20:05,000 --> 02:20:07,560
Speaker 17: do dope or we were.

2605
02:20:07,520 --> 02:20:10,160
Speaker 18: Going out to dance. That's all Wendy and I wanted

2606
02:20:10,200 --> 02:20:14,760
Speaker 18: to do. We were kids that we were so heavy

2607
02:20:14,879 --> 02:20:18,720
Speaker 18: into disco We were just such dancers. We were just

2608
02:20:19,120 --> 02:20:21,400
Speaker 18: we were doing the line, we were doing the hustle,

2609
02:20:21,480 --> 02:20:24,199
Speaker 18: we were doing everything. We were doing all this new stuff.

2610
02:20:24,680 --> 02:20:28,400
Speaker 18: We went to school with. We went to this crazy

2611
02:20:28,440 --> 02:20:31,280
Speaker 18: little art school and the Jackson five had gone to

2612
02:20:31,320 --> 02:20:34,120
Speaker 18: this school. Michael had graduated already, but Randy was in

2613
02:20:34,760 --> 02:20:37,520
Speaker 18: a grade or grade or two ahead of us. And

2614
02:20:37,640 --> 02:20:39,440
Speaker 18: we'd sit in the parking lot and we'd do line

2615
02:20:39,520 --> 02:20:42,600
Speaker 18: dances together and do all that, you know, just crazy.

2616
02:20:42,720 --> 02:20:45,760
Speaker 18: It was all about us dancing and are you going

2617
02:20:45,840 --> 02:20:47,760
Speaker 18: to go to Xenons tonight? Are you going to go

2618
02:20:47,800 --> 02:20:49,640
Speaker 18: to blah blah blah, We're going to We're going to

2619
02:20:49,720 --> 02:20:51,840
Speaker 18: Star Wars on Saturdays.

2620
02:20:52,000 --> 02:20:54,959
Speaker 1: Is an amazing thing when it works out perfectly well.

2621
02:20:54,959 --> 02:20:56,760
Speaker 18: When you've got kids that come home and they're not,

2622
02:20:57,720 --> 02:21:00,560
Speaker 18: you know, effed up and they've just been dancing all night,

2623
02:21:00,920 --> 02:21:02,680
Speaker 18: there's something that you know, and if your kids are

2624
02:21:02,720 --> 02:21:04,720
Speaker 18: sort of straight up, I guess we were, you know,

2625
02:21:04,920 --> 02:21:07,879
Speaker 18: or my my father was a knucklehead.

2626
02:21:09,160 --> 02:21:11,400
Speaker 1: So did you just meet Prince at the same time

2627
02:21:11,440 --> 02:21:14,960
Speaker 1: that Wendy Metmore did you come in later? When do

2628
02:21:15,080 --> 02:21:17,040
Speaker 1: you realize, like, oh god, there's another one of you.

2629
02:21:17,440 --> 02:21:19,760
Speaker 18: I was working when I got out of high school.

2630
02:21:19,879 --> 02:21:24,080
Speaker 18: And this was right before I got the gig with Quincy.

2631
02:21:24,240 --> 02:21:27,280
Speaker 18: I was working for David Geffen. Got out of high school,

2632
02:21:27,280 --> 02:21:29,760
Speaker 18: I got a gig answering the phones at Geffen Records,

2633
02:21:30,840 --> 02:21:32,560
Speaker 18: the David Geffen Company, and after awhile, I'd be like,

2634
02:21:32,720 --> 02:21:34,120
Speaker 18: have a cup of coffee company, Have a cup of

2635
02:21:34,160 --> 02:21:36,520
Speaker 18: coffee company, David Effen Company, Have a cup of coffee company.

2636
02:21:37,000 --> 02:21:40,320
Speaker 18: It was just running, running, running anyway. Christmas Party nineteen

2637
02:21:40,400 --> 02:21:45,520
Speaker 18: eighty whatever. I'm seventeen years old, Christmas party for Warner Brothers,

2638
02:21:46,680 --> 02:21:51,840
Speaker 18: and I already know Lisa's got the gig already, Like, hey,

2639
02:21:51,959 --> 02:21:55,000
Speaker 18: my sister's got gigging Wendy and I'd been listening to

2640
02:21:55,040 --> 02:21:57,840
Speaker 18: those records. We'd be dancing at the Starwood too. You know,

2641
02:21:58,000 --> 02:21:59,320
Speaker 18: I want to be your lover and all of that.

2642
02:21:59,400 --> 02:22:08,120
Speaker 18: We're like, who this woman? So I, you know, I

2643
02:22:08,240 --> 02:22:11,240
Speaker 18: get this silly outfit and my first time, like you're

2644
02:22:11,240 --> 02:22:14,080
Speaker 18: gonna go to a really big corporate party, and I

2645
02:22:14,240 --> 02:22:15,920
Speaker 18: just was like, oh God, I can't believe I'm gonna

2646
02:22:15,920 --> 02:22:17,600
Speaker 18: do this. I had my hair permed and it looked

2647
02:22:17,640 --> 02:22:19,480
Speaker 18: like a poodle and it would just like the whole

2648
02:22:19,560 --> 02:22:22,840
Speaker 18: thing would move at once with the wind and it

2649
02:22:23,000 --> 02:22:27,760
Speaker 18: was a silly little black thing. I just felt ridiculous.

2650
02:22:28,480 --> 02:22:31,840
Speaker 18: And I walk in and there's Prince in Vanity standing

2651
02:22:31,879 --> 02:22:35,280
Speaker 18: at the wall, two of them together. Me, my little

2652
02:22:35,280 --> 02:22:41,800
Speaker 18: little self. Hi, I'm Wendy's twin sister, Susannah. I just

2653
02:22:41,840 --> 02:22:42,480
Speaker 18: wanted to meet you.

2654
02:22:42,520 --> 02:22:43,039
Speaker 19: And say hi.

2655
02:22:43,280 --> 02:22:51,200
Speaker 16: And you know, no clue that like, And.

2656
02:22:52,760 --> 02:22:56,680
Speaker 18: He gave me that sweet little smile and he said,

2657
02:22:57,280 --> 02:23:01,240
Speaker 18: Wendy's your sister, right. I said, Lisa is my sister too,

2658
02:23:01,720 --> 02:23:01,920
Speaker 18: and he.

2659
02:23:02,040 --> 02:23:02,440
Speaker 1: Was like oh.

2660
02:23:03,280 --> 02:23:06,240
Speaker 18: And then Vanity leans down, she grabs my face and.

2661
02:23:06,280 --> 02:23:08,000
Speaker 16: She goes, ooh, you're so cute.

2662
02:23:08,080 --> 02:23:16,560
Speaker 10: What theouts are?

2663
02:23:17,000 --> 02:23:21,400
Speaker 18: And I was like, great, okay, bye, are you cute?

2664
02:23:21,720 --> 02:23:26,160
Speaker 18: Aren't you cute? Cut to Purple Rain rehearsals. She's out

2665
02:23:26,240 --> 02:23:29,480
Speaker 18: the door, walking out the door, the last day of

2666
02:23:29,640 --> 02:23:34,000
Speaker 18: her gig. She's out. It's like, we gotta find another lead.

2667
02:23:34,720 --> 02:23:39,480
Speaker 18: And here comes Susannah walking in to rehearsal and she

2668
02:23:39,760 --> 02:23:40,440
Speaker 18: came right.

2669
02:23:40,400 --> 02:23:40,760
Speaker 1: Up to me.

2670
02:23:41,400 --> 02:23:43,360
Speaker 16: You're gonna have the best time ever here.

2671
02:23:43,959 --> 02:23:44,240
Speaker 4: Wow.

2672
02:23:49,000 --> 02:23:52,280
Speaker 18: And I literally I was like, I kind of gave

2673
02:23:52,360 --> 02:23:54,520
Speaker 18: her like, why do you keep talking to me like this?

2674
02:23:55,080 --> 02:23:57,680
Speaker 18: And I could see him and he looked over and

2675
02:23:57,760 --> 02:24:03,280
Speaker 18: he was like took his head like that. And that

2676
02:24:03,440 --> 02:24:07,840
Speaker 18: is funny because Des had his birthday party and shortly

2677
02:24:09,080 --> 02:24:11,800
Speaker 18: at like within that weekend. It was in August, and

2678
02:24:12,200 --> 02:24:17,760
Speaker 18: I went to his birthday party and I'm sitting on

2679
02:24:17,840 --> 02:24:23,040
Speaker 18: the couch and incomes Prince. He comes walking in, he

2680
02:24:23,320 --> 02:24:25,200
Speaker 18: jumps on the couch, sits next to me, and he goes,

2681
02:24:25,520 --> 02:24:29,920
Speaker 18: did you dream of me last night? And I said,

2682
02:24:30,280 --> 02:24:34,920
Speaker 18: just so happens I did, and I had uh huh.

2683
02:24:36,440 --> 02:24:39,360
Speaker 18: And you know, there's other stories, but that's when it

2684
02:24:39,400 --> 02:24:43,440
Speaker 18: all started. That's when it all started. And then Prince

2685
02:24:43,480 --> 02:24:46,040
Speaker 18: had heard my demo. So we used to have we

2686
02:24:46,160 --> 02:24:48,400
Speaker 18: used to go to the airport and pick him up

2687
02:24:48,480 --> 02:24:51,200
Speaker 18: in Lisa's car and he comes stay with us at

2688
02:24:51,240 --> 02:24:53,040
Speaker 18: our when the three of us lived in this teeny

2689
02:24:53,120 --> 02:24:56,320
Speaker 18: little house on Melrose, and so we would go pick

2690
02:24:56,400 --> 02:24:59,040
Speaker 18: him up and Betty Flounder that was Lisa's car, and

2691
02:24:59,160 --> 02:25:02,560
Speaker 18: so it would be Lisa, we'd have Betty Flounder, and

2692
02:25:02,640 --> 02:25:04,800
Speaker 18: no Betty was around through all of Purple Rain, and

2693
02:25:04,840 --> 02:25:07,520
Speaker 18: even you remember, Betty Flounder was like an old Buick

2694
02:25:07,600 --> 02:25:11,360
Speaker 18: fifty six fifty seven Buick salmon colored, so we'd all

2695
02:25:11,400 --> 02:25:14,160
Speaker 18: go to pick up Prince with Betty Flounder. He called

2696
02:25:14,160 --> 02:25:16,440
Speaker 18: her Betty. We were all like in Betty Flounder, and

2697
02:25:16,520 --> 02:25:17,520
Speaker 18: he'd come and stay with us.

2698
02:25:18,120 --> 02:25:21,280
Speaker 1: I got two questions, huh, I got two questions. And

2699
02:25:21,440 --> 02:25:23,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if the fact that I come from

2700
02:25:24,320 --> 02:25:29,160
Speaker 1: and the era of music that was just so overdone

2701
02:25:29,360 --> 02:25:34,480
Speaker 1: with budgets and whatnot, but I would think during this

2702
02:25:34,600 --> 02:25:37,520
Speaker 1: time period, like like you guys were picking each other

2703
02:25:37,640 --> 02:25:40,880
Speaker 1: up from the airport. Oh yeah, First of all, Prince

2704
02:25:41,000 --> 02:25:43,080
Speaker 1: was taking a plane. Because in my head, I'm like, oh, he.

2705
02:25:43,120 --> 02:25:44,800
Speaker 18: Took a plane by himself. We go pick him up

2706
02:25:44,800 --> 02:25:46,120
Speaker 18: at the airport and he comes stay with us, and

2707
02:25:46,200 --> 02:25:48,080
Speaker 18: my cats would jump all over him and he'd be

2708
02:25:48,200 --> 02:25:49,280
Speaker 18: on the couch and he'd be.

2709
02:25:49,320 --> 02:25:54,800
Speaker 1: Like, least were a baseball caategory something to what you

2710
02:25:55,040 --> 02:26:00,720
Speaker 1: was like, what eighty for four? Was this post post purple?

2711
02:26:01,080 --> 02:26:05,320
Speaker 1: So okay, so at least in our heads, because I'm thinking, like,

2712
02:26:05,480 --> 02:26:08,680
Speaker 1: this guy cannot step out the door without getting mobbed.

2713
02:26:09,360 --> 02:26:11,640
Speaker 1: Now I know that some of that stuff is, you know,

2714
02:26:11,800 --> 02:26:15,480
Speaker 1: what we just saw growing up as kids. But he

2715
02:26:15,959 --> 02:26:19,320
Speaker 1: could take the plane and maybe one or two people

2716
02:26:20,120 --> 02:26:21,160
Speaker 1: be like, oh, there's.

2717
02:26:21,040 --> 02:26:25,280
Speaker 18: Prince and yeah, yeah, particularly with the three of us, and.

2718
02:26:25,280 --> 02:26:26,760
Speaker 1: I'll pick you up from the airport.

2719
02:26:26,440 --> 02:26:28,240
Speaker 18: But time you need to be here, and we'd be

2720
02:26:28,360 --> 02:26:29,240
Speaker 18: there and pick him up.

2721
02:26:29,240 --> 02:26:32,920
Speaker 1: And there's no prince sign like Prince Nelson, not during

2722
02:26:32,959 --> 02:26:33,320
Speaker 1: this time.

2723
02:26:33,400 --> 02:26:33,440
Speaker 25: No.

2724
02:26:33,640 --> 02:26:36,360
Speaker 21: But I imagine his flying outfit is different from his

2725
02:26:36,800 --> 02:26:38,400
Speaker 21: you know what I mean, Like his whole look is different.

2726
02:26:38,879 --> 02:26:41,600
Speaker 18: Who was always different? But he was a this is

2727
02:26:41,640 --> 02:26:44,320
Speaker 18: a beautiful kid. You know, he was a beautiful kid.

2728
02:26:44,400 --> 02:26:46,320
Speaker 18: I mean, and he would you know, just wear a

2729
02:26:47,120 --> 02:26:50,680
Speaker 18: you know, a vintage old you know, grandpa coat and

2730
02:26:50,840 --> 02:26:53,440
Speaker 18: he'd looked so beautiful in it. And he'd wear his

2731
02:26:53,840 --> 02:26:57,600
Speaker 18: you know, his jeans, and he'd wear a you know,

2732
02:26:57,800 --> 02:26:59,840
Speaker 18: whatever top I mean, and that's he just come out

2733
02:26:59,879 --> 02:27:01,520
Speaker 18: like that. I mean, there was no it wasn't like

2734
02:27:01,640 --> 02:27:04,040
Speaker 18: who's that weirdo? It's just like who's that cutie pie?

2735
02:27:04,520 --> 02:27:06,600
Speaker 18: And he'd be so confident and he'd be so happy

2736
02:27:06,680 --> 02:27:09,760
Speaker 18: to be coming and hanging and there was it.

2737
02:27:10,480 --> 02:27:15,240
Speaker 1: I just can't imagine him flying commercial or him all

2738
02:27:15,400 --> 02:27:17,640
Speaker 1: the time a Pinto or that sort of thing.

2739
02:27:18,840 --> 02:27:19,720
Speaker 3: Oh no, you.

2740
02:27:21,320 --> 02:27:25,880
Speaker 18: Not many people know how important this particular period of

2741
02:27:25,959 --> 02:27:29,360
Speaker 18: time was for him and for us because this was

2742
02:27:29,480 --> 02:27:34,400
Speaker 18: like this we became. It's so interesting because talking about

2743
02:27:34,400 --> 02:27:41,520
Speaker 18: it now, but we became like pals, but deep, like

2744
02:27:41,879 --> 02:27:44,760
Speaker 18: you know, not many people know that. Like he's sleeping

2745
02:27:44,840 --> 02:27:47,080
Speaker 18: on the couch and our cats are running and jumping

2746
02:27:47,120 --> 02:27:49,440
Speaker 18: on him, and he's saying, can somebody get the cats

2747
02:27:49,480 --> 02:27:49,800
Speaker 18: off me?

2748
02:27:52,640 --> 02:27:54,680
Speaker 21: You don't imagine prince sleeping on a couch in a house.

2749
02:27:54,720 --> 02:27:56,760
Speaker 21: An I'm gonna say that right from the job.

2750
02:27:57,640 --> 02:27:58,160
Speaker 1: No you don't.

2751
02:27:58,200 --> 02:28:04,840
Speaker 18: But then it's that's what it all threw. No, but

2752
02:28:04,879 --> 02:28:07,080
Speaker 18: I'll tell you a really funny story. So one of

2753
02:28:07,120 --> 02:28:10,040
Speaker 18: the nights he's there, we lived in this eighty bitty

2754
02:28:10,360 --> 02:28:14,440
Speaker 18: place and it didn't have bathroom door. It had one

2755
02:28:14,480 --> 02:28:18,360
Speaker 18: of those sort of saloon doors. It was horrifying, and

2756
02:28:18,440 --> 02:28:21,640
Speaker 18: it was in my bedroom and so it's like if

2757
02:28:21,680 --> 02:28:23,800
Speaker 18: anyone needed to do their business, it was like, Okay,

2758
02:28:23,800 --> 02:28:25,600
Speaker 18: everybody's going to get out of the house now, right,

2759
02:28:25,800 --> 02:28:27,199
Speaker 18: or nobody's gonna be around.

2760
02:28:30,879 --> 02:28:31,440
Speaker 1: Here anything.

2761
02:28:31,640 --> 02:28:33,160
Speaker 18: It's like just horrifying.

2762
02:28:33,920 --> 02:28:36,360
Speaker 19: So I'm in that room and.

2763
02:28:38,760 --> 02:28:41,080
Speaker 18: Lisa, when what am I supposed to you know, if

2764
02:28:41,080 --> 02:28:43,200
Speaker 18: I need to what you know, if I need to,

2765
02:28:43,760 --> 02:28:47,720
Speaker 18: she said, well, just tell her sleep the room. So

2766
02:28:48,920 --> 02:28:50,160
Speaker 18: nothing went further than that.

2767
02:28:50,360 --> 02:28:52,680
Speaker 17: But he did come into my room and he sat

2768
02:28:52,800 --> 02:28:55,400
Speaker 17: on my bed and I was on one side of

2769
02:28:55,440 --> 02:28:58,800
Speaker 17: my bed and I had this really crappy mattress and

2770
02:28:58,840 --> 02:29:01,400
Speaker 17: I had a huge, huge, deep dent in it.

2771
02:29:02,160 --> 02:29:05,840
Speaker 18: And he said, he went, you sleep in this thing?

2772
02:29:06,520 --> 02:29:09,400
Speaker 18: And he said do you have a job? And I

2773
02:29:09,520 --> 02:29:11,280
Speaker 18: was like, and he said, can't you get yourself a

2774
02:29:11,320 --> 02:29:14,280
Speaker 18: new mattress? How do you sleep in that? I was like,

2775
02:29:14,840 --> 02:29:17,039
Speaker 18: I sleep on that side. I don't sleep in the hole.

2776
02:29:17,520 --> 02:29:17,680
Speaker 16: Right.

2777
02:29:21,959 --> 02:29:24,440
Speaker 18: But I came home the next day from working for

2778
02:29:24,520 --> 02:29:27,520
Speaker 18: Deaf and Records David, and there was a huge mattress

2779
02:29:27,560 --> 02:29:28,080
Speaker 18: at my door.

2780
02:29:29,200 --> 02:29:39,560
Speaker 22: So it was like, so, yeah, yeah, you're a good lady,

2781
02:29:39,560 --> 02:29:41,280
Speaker 22: because I would have been like that for me or

2782
02:29:41,400 --> 02:29:42,080
Speaker 22: for us.

2783
02:29:46,160 --> 02:29:47,920
Speaker 18: That's that's so funny you should say that.

2784
02:29:48,000 --> 02:29:51,040
Speaker 17: I mean, it just never occurred to me at that

2785
02:29:51,240 --> 02:29:54,840
Speaker 17: point that like he was actually courting me in any way.

2786
02:29:55,080 --> 02:29:56,720
Speaker 18: I just, you know, I was just like, this is

2787
02:29:56,800 --> 02:30:00,680
Speaker 18: a really sweet gesture. And again he heard that demo,

2788
02:30:00,800 --> 02:30:03,480
Speaker 18: he heard that demo in that house, this one of

2789
02:30:03,520 --> 02:30:07,640
Speaker 18: these particular things. And he said, well, when you said up,

2790
02:30:07,720 --> 02:30:10,240
Speaker 18: can we play him the demo? And I said, no,

2791
02:30:10,640 --> 02:30:13,400
Speaker 18: don't play him anything. God, don't don't blame in. It

2792
02:30:13,520 --> 02:30:17,280
Speaker 18: was so flipped out because I loved everything he'd done.

2793
02:30:17,840 --> 02:30:19,800
Speaker 18: And I was working with Quincy. I was doing like,

2794
02:30:20,320 --> 02:30:24,560
Speaker 18: you know, session work, and you know, just wasn't that

2795
02:30:25,560 --> 02:30:27,280
Speaker 18: And I said, I want to hear it. And so

2796
02:30:27,320 --> 02:30:29,040
Speaker 18: I said, okay, I'm leaving the house. So I left

2797
02:30:29,080 --> 02:30:33,120
Speaker 18: the house, came back, and he came right up to

2798
02:30:33,200 --> 02:30:37,280
Speaker 18: me and he said, you want to come and do

2799
02:30:37,400 --> 02:30:41,000
Speaker 18: what we're doing, because wouldn't you rather do that? And

2800
02:30:41,080 --> 02:30:45,080
Speaker 18: I said yes and uh, and he said, well, I

2801
02:30:45,160 --> 02:30:48,640
Speaker 18: think I think you'd have a really good time.

2802
02:30:50,200 --> 02:30:52,520
Speaker 1: I said, wait, okay. Before I let you go, I

2803
02:30:52,640 --> 02:30:53,279
Speaker 1: just had to ask.

2804
02:30:53,160 --> 02:30:55,840
Speaker 18: One, Oh oh god, what a bummer that I'm just

2805
02:30:55,879 --> 02:30:56,520
Speaker 18: talking about this?

2806
02:30:56,959 --> 02:30:58,680
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I know, because there's so much more,

2807
02:30:59,200 --> 02:31:02,440
Speaker 1: but I I would like to discuss. Yeah. I know

2808
02:31:02,600 --> 02:31:08,600
Speaker 1: that he would often communicate with cassettes, which I mean

2809
02:31:08,640 --> 02:31:10,560
Speaker 1: blows my mind. I mean, if I'm in the studio

2810
02:31:10,680 --> 02:31:12,960
Speaker 1: making a song, I'm thinking like, Okay, how can this

2811
02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:15,240
Speaker 1: be a hit? How can like I'm not just gonna

2812
02:31:15,280 --> 02:31:19,520
Speaker 1: make like a song aimed at one person, like that's it.

2813
02:31:20,320 --> 02:31:22,360
Speaker 1: Instead of us talking out a problem or whatever, like

2814
02:31:22,440 --> 02:31:24,760
Speaker 1: here's the thing, I mean, how many cassettes have you

2815
02:31:24,959 --> 02:31:29,040
Speaker 1: received of like just stuff for like here just for you,

2816
02:31:29,280 --> 02:31:34,840
Speaker 1: like like of just custom made songs because that's me

2817
02:31:35,000 --> 02:31:36,199
Speaker 1: is an amazing aren't too.

2818
02:31:39,520 --> 02:31:39,760
Speaker 16: None?

2819
02:31:43,920 --> 02:31:44,320
Speaker 15: Even la?

2820
02:31:45,080 --> 02:31:47,880
Speaker 18: I mean the tapes that I would get, the tapes

2821
02:31:47,920 --> 02:31:49,680
Speaker 18: that I would get were on the floor of my car.

2822
02:31:50,560 --> 02:31:55,080
Speaker 18: You wouldn't hand them to me. They'd be dispersed at

2823
02:31:55,080 --> 02:31:56,959
Speaker 18: the bottom of the car, and so'd be like.

2824
02:31:57,080 --> 02:32:00,720
Speaker 1: Oh, oh, like these are for you or never put

2825
02:32:00,800 --> 02:32:01,360
Speaker 1: them in your hands.

2826
02:32:01,400 --> 02:32:02,119
Speaker 16: There mine now.

2827
02:32:04,680 --> 02:32:06,520
Speaker 1: No, I don't mean like songs just made that he

2828
02:32:06,680 --> 02:32:10,280
Speaker 1: just left there specifically for me. Well, I know that

2829
02:32:10,600 --> 02:32:13,680
Speaker 1: he made Lisa song strange way of saying I love you,

2830
02:32:13,800 --> 02:32:14,280
Speaker 1: like they had.

2831
02:32:14,160 --> 02:32:17,680
Speaker 18: An argument, whatever, and no anything anything that we did.

2832
02:32:17,720 --> 02:32:18,119
Speaker 16: Anything.

2833
02:32:18,400 --> 02:32:21,400
Speaker 18: He would specifically say, let's go in the studio.

2834
02:32:21,959 --> 02:32:22,320
Speaker 1: You and me.

2835
02:32:22,879 --> 02:32:23,400
Speaker 18: We're going in.

2836
02:32:23,680 --> 02:32:26,320
Speaker 1: Oh so you were there, just we're.

2837
02:32:25,800 --> 02:32:28,000
Speaker 18: Going in, You and I were going in, and then

2838
02:32:28,240 --> 02:32:30,120
Speaker 18: you're gonna hang here until you're I'm ready to have

2839
02:32:30,200 --> 02:32:31,720
Speaker 18: you come and sing your vocal and this is what

2840
02:32:31,800 --> 02:32:33,520
Speaker 18: we're doing and this is what I'm thinking about. And

2841
02:32:33,640 --> 02:32:36,760
Speaker 18: then that would be it. And then we'd listen to

2842
02:32:36,879 --> 02:32:41,560
Speaker 18: everything together in the car and that would go on

2843
02:32:41,720 --> 02:32:43,920
Speaker 18: for days and days and then we'd go in and

2844
02:32:44,040 --> 02:32:46,080
Speaker 18: do more overdubs or do you know it just be

2845
02:32:46,240 --> 02:32:50,600
Speaker 18: like that? But I was it was never, it wasn't

2846
02:32:51,560 --> 02:32:54,280
Speaker 18: It wasn't that much. It wasn't that disconnected, like here's

2847
02:32:54,320 --> 02:32:56,920
Speaker 18: your tape. It was like, we let's go.

2848
02:32:57,120 --> 02:32:57,600
Speaker 1: We're doing this.

2849
02:32:57,720 --> 02:32:59,880
Speaker 18: Yeah, we're doing Not that I'd even collaborate, but it

2850
02:33:00,160 --> 02:33:03,240
Speaker 18: was like there, you know, I need you buy my

2851
02:33:03,400 --> 02:33:05,200
Speaker 18: side because I'm gonna have you do this. But you're

2852
02:33:05,200 --> 02:33:07,840
Speaker 18: gonna be with me from the get go. Now, I'm

2853
02:33:07,879 --> 02:33:10,720
Speaker 18: not gonna call you at some point you're gonna come in. No,

2854
02:33:10,840 --> 02:33:11,879
Speaker 18: You're gonna be with me.

2855
02:33:13,600 --> 02:33:16,720
Speaker 1: Before we go. I gotta ask her the Starfish and

2856
02:33:16,760 --> 02:33:20,120
Speaker 1: Coffee Store. Okay, all right, for our listeners, could you

2857
02:33:20,240 --> 02:33:25,199
Speaker 1: please please please give us the genesis of the Starfish

2858
02:33:25,240 --> 02:33:25,920
Speaker 1: and Coffee Store.

2859
02:33:26,280 --> 02:33:30,800
Speaker 18: During the many, many car rides together, he would have,

2860
02:33:31,200 --> 02:33:32,480
Speaker 18: you know, occasionally asked.

2861
02:33:32,280 --> 02:33:37,240
Speaker 1: Me, wait before you say that you seen car rides?

2862
02:33:38,879 --> 02:33:40,880
Speaker 1: Or you just drive around the city listening to music.

2863
02:33:41,000 --> 02:33:43,720
Speaker 18: We'd live in the car, lived in the car. We

2864
02:33:43,800 --> 02:33:48,080
Speaker 18: would drive everywhere for any reason all the time, from

2865
02:33:48,800 --> 02:33:52,119
Speaker 18: vanilla milkshakes to going to Minnie Haha Falls and drinking

2866
02:33:52,160 --> 02:33:55,000
Speaker 18: that milkshake, then getting back in the car, listening to

2867
02:33:55,080 --> 02:33:57,920
Speaker 18: the music, listen to our music and talking, going to

2868
02:33:58,000 --> 02:34:00,360
Speaker 18: the lake, sitting at the lake, going back in the car,

2869
02:34:00,560 --> 02:34:05,120
Speaker 18: listening to more music. No, because he wasn't listening to it,

2870
02:34:05,280 --> 02:34:07,680
Speaker 18: like listen, how badass I am, although I'm sure he

2871
02:34:07,920 --> 02:34:11,640
Speaker 18: was doing that. It was work, you know, like we're

2872
02:34:11,680 --> 02:34:13,400
Speaker 18: listening to it. Does it sound right? What's it sound

2873
02:34:13,480 --> 02:34:15,280
Speaker 18: like in the car when we put something else on?

2874
02:34:15,360 --> 02:34:17,280
Speaker 18: And there were other there were times when we would

2875
02:34:17,320 --> 02:34:19,600
Speaker 18: listen to other records, you know, and it was the

2876
02:34:19,680 --> 02:34:23,040
Speaker 18: kind of records that he'd never heard before that you know,

2877
02:34:23,120 --> 02:34:25,480
Speaker 18: I had introduced him to, or Wendy and Lisa had

2878
02:34:25,520 --> 02:34:27,760
Speaker 18: introduced him to. And so we would listen to those

2879
02:34:27,840 --> 02:34:30,640
Speaker 18: records and you know, sonically and you know, the audio

2880
02:34:31,040 --> 02:34:34,240
Speaker 18: the became audio files, like how does it sound? And

2881
02:34:34,320 --> 02:34:37,640
Speaker 18: what was going on with those records? So but these

2882
02:34:37,959 --> 02:34:40,960
Speaker 18: this there were many of those rides, and you know,

2883
02:34:41,040 --> 02:34:44,000
Speaker 18: we would talk about our histories and our secrets and

2884
02:34:44,280 --> 02:34:45,960
Speaker 18: you know, what was it like here and would you

2885
02:34:46,040 --> 02:34:47,840
Speaker 18: do with that? And I'm going to take you over

2886
02:34:47,920 --> 02:34:49,480
Speaker 18: to where I grew up and what was it for

2887
02:34:49,600 --> 02:34:51,800
Speaker 18: you guys? And I would tell him about this one

2888
02:34:51,920 --> 02:34:55,200
Speaker 18: story about this girl Cynthia Rose, who Wendy and I

2889
02:34:55,360 --> 02:34:58,160
Speaker 18: were in school with from nursery school up into sixth

2890
02:34:58,200 --> 02:35:00,960
Speaker 18: grade and back in this particular other time. You know,

2891
02:35:01,120 --> 02:35:06,000
Speaker 18: nobody knew what autism was, but she was an incredible

2892
02:35:06,800 --> 02:35:10,600
Speaker 18: in just the most extraordinary girl. And he would ask

2893
02:35:10,680 --> 02:35:12,720
Speaker 18: me on occasional way, like, tell me about Cynthia, tell

2894
02:35:12,720 --> 02:35:15,920
Speaker 18: me about this story. And so we would tell I'd

2895
02:35:15,920 --> 02:35:17,640
Speaker 18: tell him and we'd laugh because I would get to

2896
02:35:17,720 --> 02:35:20,360
Speaker 18: the part where she would say, you know, she'd rock

2897
02:35:20,480 --> 02:35:22,880
Speaker 18: back and forth. She was like, would you have a

2898
02:35:22,879 --> 02:35:24,000
Speaker 18: breakfast this morning, Cynthia?

2899
02:35:24,040 --> 02:35:24,840
Speaker 19: She was like, I had.

2900
02:35:24,840 --> 02:35:26,000
Speaker 18: Starfish and Peevie.

2901
02:35:29,320 --> 02:35:30,959
Speaker 19: Yeah, starfish and peep.

2902
02:35:31,560 --> 02:35:34,000
Speaker 18: And you know what my favorite number is, It's twenty

2903
02:35:34,680 --> 02:35:37,920
Speaker 18: and she I mean, this was for years, and I

2904
02:35:38,680 --> 02:35:43,680
Speaker 18: loved her. I thought she was the sweetest coop ever,

2905
02:35:44,080 --> 02:35:47,040
Speaker 18: and you know, I just like that she was. It

2906
02:35:47,200 --> 02:35:51,400
Speaker 18: was just anyway, so this one particular day and I would,

2907
02:35:51,560 --> 02:35:54,199
Speaker 18: I want to say some in the fall of eighty five,

2908
02:35:55,840 --> 02:35:57,040
Speaker 18: we were at the house and we were in the

2909
02:35:57,120 --> 02:35:59,000
Speaker 18: kitchen and he came upstairs from the stud he said,

2910
02:35:59,200 --> 02:36:01,760
Speaker 18: can you you tell me the whole story of Cynthia again,

2911
02:36:01,800 --> 02:36:03,480
Speaker 18: can you tell me the whole thing with Cynthia Rose.

2912
02:36:03,680 --> 02:36:05,280
Speaker 18: He goes, can you write it down? And I was

2913
02:36:05,360 --> 02:36:08,120
Speaker 18: like sure, And so in detail, I'm writing him about

2914
02:36:08,240 --> 02:36:12,680
Speaker 18: you know who the class was. There was Kevin and

2915
02:36:12,840 --> 02:36:16,880
Speaker 18: Lucy and you know, Wendy and myself and many other kids.

2916
02:36:16,959 --> 02:36:19,680
Speaker 18: And there's Cynthia and there's my teacher, Miss Kathleen, and

2917
02:36:20,480 --> 02:36:22,520
Speaker 18: doing the whole day, what it was like to be

2918
02:36:22,640 --> 02:36:26,640
Speaker 18: with her, to watch her do her And he was

2919
02:36:26,720 --> 02:36:28,720
Speaker 18: like okay, And then I wrote down, you know, and

2920
02:36:28,800 --> 02:36:34,040
Speaker 18: then she would say a starfish and then he was

2921
02:36:34,320 --> 02:36:38,480
Speaker 18: He took it and he was like okay. He runs

2922
02:36:38,480 --> 02:36:40,240
Speaker 18: downstairs and the studio comes back up, and he says

2923
02:36:42,560 --> 02:36:48,360
Speaker 18: starfish and peepe. That's gotta go. He goes, do you

2924
02:36:48,480 --> 02:36:51,320
Speaker 18: mind if it's coffee? Because he goes, he goes, do

2925
02:36:51,360 --> 02:36:53,280
Speaker 18: you mind if it's coffee? Because I don't think I

2926
02:36:53,320 --> 02:36:57,040
Speaker 18: can sing peepe. I was like, it's all good, go ahead,

2927
02:36:57,120 --> 02:36:59,720
Speaker 18: you do what you gotta do, which and it was

2928
02:36:59,800 --> 02:37:02,160
Speaker 18: so sweet. It was like, yeah, I of course you're not.

2929
02:37:02,160 --> 02:37:06,120
Speaker 18: I gotta sing peepee. So he goes downstairs the studio

2930
02:37:06,240 --> 02:37:08,920
Speaker 18: and like six hours later, seven hours later, I mean,

2931
02:37:08,959 --> 02:37:10,760
Speaker 18: it's like early in the morning and he comes up

2932
02:37:10,800 --> 02:37:15,160
Speaker 18: and he says, come down, and uh, actually it was

2933
02:37:15,200 --> 02:37:18,640
Speaker 18: Susan who came to get me. And Susan Rogerson brought

2934
02:37:18,680 --> 02:37:21,640
Speaker 18: me back downstairs and he was standing at the console,

2935
02:37:22,560 --> 02:37:25,440
Speaker 18: exhausted and sweet little smile on his face, and he goes,

2936
02:37:25,879 --> 02:37:29,400
Speaker 18: here it is and he just pressed play and starfish

2937
02:37:29,440 --> 02:37:32,320
Speaker 18: and coffee was there, and yeah.

2938
02:37:32,600 --> 02:37:33,200
Speaker 13: Thank you for that.

2939
02:37:33,560 --> 02:37:34,120
Speaker 18: You're welcome.

2940
02:37:34,800 --> 02:37:36,840
Speaker 1: I have so much more, but I gotta wrap.

2941
02:37:36,720 --> 02:37:37,760
Speaker 16: It up another time.

2942
02:37:38,120 --> 02:37:41,640
Speaker 1: Yes, there's plenty more, Uh, Susannah melvoyn Uh, thank you

2943
02:37:41,760 --> 02:37:50,520
Speaker 1: so much. I have to say. Uh, that was an

2944
02:37:50,879 --> 02:37:55,480
Speaker 1: edgy location. We learned a lot about Minnesota and and

2945
02:37:56,680 --> 02:37:57,959
Speaker 1: and what it had to offer, and.

2946
02:38:00,320 --> 02:38:02,040
Speaker 3: That was like a pH d. That was a doctor

2947
02:38:02,120 --> 02:38:04,760
Speaker 3: of course, and all things Prince Minnesota.

2948
02:38:05,840 --> 02:38:08,119
Speaker 1: Like. The only thing we needed was Kirby Pucket.

2949
02:38:07,959 --> 02:38:21,360
Speaker 26: And Kirby's dad. Actually, oh, yeah's stead Kirby's dead.

2950
02:38:25,920 --> 02:38:26,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

2951
02:38:26,160 --> 02:38:27,920
Speaker 21: Learned that I'm a lazy bastard. I thought I was

2952
02:38:28,000 --> 02:38:30,480
Speaker 21: lazy just being your friend for the last few years.

2953
02:38:30,520 --> 02:38:34,480
Speaker 21: But now that I really learned about friends in his work, I.

2954
02:38:34,560 --> 02:38:35,680
Speaker 1: Need to get my ship together.

2955
02:38:37,080 --> 02:38:38,480
Speaker 22: It was a lot of stuff, but at the end

2956
02:38:38,480 --> 02:38:41,119
Speaker 22: of the day, it's about me, Like, yeah, shit.

2957
02:38:41,040 --> 02:38:42,760
Speaker 1: Together, I'm paid Bill.

2958
02:38:43,280 --> 02:38:46,520
Speaker 27: Why is everybody from Minnesota in a fucking musical family?

2959
02:38:46,959 --> 02:38:49,120
Speaker 27: Every one of them was like my dad played the dance,

2960
02:38:49,200 --> 02:38:49,840
Speaker 27: my mom did this.

2961
02:38:50,200 --> 02:38:53,000
Speaker 1: And I was just like, my parents are doctors, like

2962
02:38:53,120 --> 02:38:54,440
Speaker 1: I did this is like I.

2963
02:38:54,480 --> 02:38:56,400
Speaker 27: Thought to myself, I was wondering, like what it would

2964
02:38:56,440 --> 02:38:58,119
Speaker 27: be like to grow up it because you did grow

2965
02:38:58,200 --> 02:38:59,880
Speaker 27: up in a musical family, Like what that's like and

2966
02:39:00,040 --> 02:39:01,880
Speaker 27: how that because like music wasn't in my house. I

2967
02:39:01,920 --> 02:39:03,440
Speaker 27: didn't live in that world. Like I had to go

2968
02:39:03,560 --> 02:39:05,680
Speaker 27: find it myself. It wasn't on me, Like I didn't

2969
02:39:05,720 --> 02:39:07,200
Speaker 27: learn it at church, I didn't do anything.

2970
02:39:07,920 --> 02:39:08,600
Speaker 15: I don't know.

2971
02:39:08,720 --> 02:39:12,840
Speaker 1: It just music. The way they were presenting it was

2972
02:39:12,920 --> 02:39:16,400
Speaker 1: like music was like an option in my case, Like

2973
02:39:17,760 --> 02:39:20,959
Speaker 1: I don't know if my my mom was probably Jedi

2974
02:39:21,120 --> 02:39:24,640
Speaker 1: mind tricking me into music to keep me off the streets,

2975
02:39:25,160 --> 02:39:26,800
Speaker 1: really to keep me from getting my ass whoop by

2976
02:39:26,840 --> 02:39:28,000
Speaker 1: the neighborhood kids.

2977
02:39:29,360 --> 02:39:32,400
Speaker 27: Like Wendy and Susannah growing up in like the Wrecking

2978
02:39:32,480 --> 02:39:35,240
Speaker 27: Crew house, like it was that was an option.

2979
02:39:35,600 --> 02:39:38,440
Speaker 1: It just well, I'm amazed that they told the truth

2980
02:39:38,520 --> 02:39:42,880
Speaker 1: like We're going night and the fact you had parents

2981
02:39:42,959 --> 02:39:44,720
Speaker 1: that would be cool enough to be you know, I

2982
02:39:44,800 --> 02:39:47,000
Speaker 1: mean I worked in the nightclub, but I mean, you know,

2983
02:39:47,120 --> 02:39:49,320
Speaker 1: my parents, like they put me in the nightclub to

2984
02:39:49,440 --> 02:39:52,320
Speaker 1: keep an eye on me, to keep me from wanting

2985
02:39:52,360 --> 02:39:55,160
Speaker 1: to go to the nightclub, which you know, it didn't work.

2986
02:39:59,000 --> 02:39:59,640
Speaker 3: That's what I felt.

2987
02:39:59,640 --> 02:40:01,720
Speaker 1: I like, wow, yeah, that must be nice.

2988
02:40:01,760 --> 02:40:03,320
Speaker 22: Yeah, it's I didn't wanna say.

2989
02:40:03,600 --> 02:40:07,280
Speaker 1: Like wow, hashtag must be nice. Uh is there anything

2990
02:40:07,320 --> 02:40:09,640
Speaker 1: that we didn't cover? Built? I mean, you and I

2991
02:40:10,080 --> 02:40:12,800
Speaker 1: probably the biggest Prince fans that we know, Uh, like,

2992
02:40:12,959 --> 02:40:14,039
Speaker 1: did we missed something there?

2993
02:40:14,240 --> 02:40:15,640
Speaker 9: There was one thing I really wanted to talk to

2994
02:40:16,640 --> 02:40:19,240
Speaker 9: Matt and Bobby about, and that was the bullhorn incident

2995
02:40:19,400 --> 02:40:21,520
Speaker 9: on the plane when uh oh that led to the

2996
02:40:22,560 --> 02:40:25,040
Speaker 9: wh when when they all got taken taken taken to jail.

2997
02:40:25,240 --> 02:40:27,320
Speaker 9: There is so much that I wanted to ask about,

2998
02:40:27,400 --> 02:40:28,640
Speaker 9: but we just didn't have enough time.

2999
02:40:29,080 --> 02:40:35,120
Speaker 14: We need to do like four hours actually, I mean

3000
02:40:35,160 --> 02:40:40,160
Speaker 14: we had like just forty different Yeah.

3001
02:40:40,720 --> 02:40:49,640
Speaker 28: Yeah, Susanna, I'm proud off I mean to our supreme leader.

3002
02:40:49,720 --> 02:40:52,760
Speaker 28: Yeah that sounds very Jenny Jones.

3003
02:40:53,360 --> 02:41:03,240
Speaker 1: I just think that at least with Susannah alone, Like,

3004
02:41:03,480 --> 02:41:05,920
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot that I wanted to go

3005
02:41:06,000 --> 02:41:08,160
Speaker 1: into but you know, I felt it was too soon,

3006
02:41:08,360 --> 02:41:11,000
Speaker 1: but like a lot like the Beautiful Ones, like all

3007
02:41:11,080 --> 02:41:13,800
Speaker 1: those songs were about her, but didn't feel ill to

3008
02:41:13,879 --> 02:41:16,080
Speaker 1: you yet that you know, even when Wendy was here.

3009
02:41:16,120 --> 02:41:17,199
Speaker 1: And I think that a couple of other.

3010
02:41:17,160 --> 02:41:19,320
Speaker 22: Band members the way did they feel about.

3011
02:41:19,120 --> 02:41:21,480
Speaker 1: You and what you've done? That was real? That was

3012
02:41:21,560 --> 02:41:26,760
Speaker 1: really well yeah, I mean I just it's again like okay,

3013
02:41:26,800 --> 02:41:29,960
Speaker 1: so I were interview in the car with No. It

3014
02:41:30,120 --> 02:41:33,000
Speaker 1: was I was in the car with Maya Gretchen from

3015
02:41:33,000 --> 02:41:36,840
Speaker 1: Princess last night and this weird Prince fan stopped the

3016
02:41:36,920 --> 02:41:41,720
Speaker 1: car and like actually said you know, he starts the

3017
02:41:41,760 --> 02:41:45,480
Speaker 1: sentence with I have one hundred thousand dollars and I

3018
02:41:45,560 --> 02:41:48,320
Speaker 1: want to give it to you just so I can

3019
02:41:48,440 --> 02:41:54,360
Speaker 1: tell you my life story. And well exactly I said

3020
02:41:54,360 --> 02:41:57,000
Speaker 1: it verbatim. Yes, I know Steve's like I me or

3021
02:41:57,080 --> 02:41:58,119
Speaker 1: you are exaggerated.

3022
02:41:59,040 --> 02:41:59,800
Speaker 13: Well, it was probably like.

3023
02:42:05,959 --> 02:42:09,199
Speaker 1: No, and it just hit me like, yo, Prince has

3024
02:42:10,400 --> 02:42:15,000
Speaker 1: the weirdest even watching that audience. Uh that when we

3025
02:42:15,120 --> 02:42:20,000
Speaker 1: went to see the Revolution show, he has the weirdest

3026
02:42:20,080 --> 02:42:25,360
Speaker 1: looking audience. I might just might have been arms length

3027
02:42:25,840 --> 02:42:28,240
Speaker 1: with my audience as well. If that were my Familyase,

3028
02:42:28,280 --> 02:42:34,440
Speaker 1: I'm not saying like, I'm not saying anything. There's a

3029
02:42:34,440 --> 02:42:36,760
Speaker 1: guy with the ones he wo like all these images

3030
02:42:36,840 --> 02:42:41,240
Speaker 1: of his body. No, it just I know that Prince

3031
02:42:41,360 --> 02:42:44,119
Speaker 1: fans can seem weird, and I know that Prince also

3032
02:42:44,240 --> 02:42:49,160
Speaker 1: felt a certain way about his male fans, I mean, any.

3033
02:42:50,080 --> 02:42:52,720
Speaker 9: Fans in general, because like he had the whole thing

3034
02:42:52,760 --> 02:42:55,480
Speaker 9: about the word fan how he hated the word because

3035
02:42:55,520 --> 02:42:56,560
Speaker 9: it was short for fanatic.

3036
02:42:57,400 --> 02:42:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's just you know how like the trick

3037
02:43:00,160 --> 02:43:04,040
Speaker 1: rabbit always had to conceal his excitement for tricks without

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Speaker 1: you know, and then you get busted by the kids,

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Speaker 1: and hey, guys, it's really me like, I don't ever

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Speaker 1: want to be that guy, Like okay, I gained your trust,

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Speaker 1: let me not let you know, like the only indication

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Speaker 1: that they really gotten that. It's like, oh, mirror, his

3043
02:43:20,200 --> 02:43:22,640
Speaker 1: level of fandom might be average, you know, more than

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Speaker 1: the average person was. Just like the demos that started

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Speaker 1: pulling up in their present. Well, I mean I've I've

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Speaker 1: learned that you gotta be cool in those situations. I know,

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Speaker 1: for me, like fans be thinking like, oh man, if

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02:43:38,600 --> 02:43:41,200
Speaker 1: I mentioned that Japanese b side, you have and you'll

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02:43:41,320 --> 02:43:48,879
Speaker 1: know we're like organics. Yeah, yeah, that in order to.

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Speaker 14: In order to like to the way to gain the

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02:43:54,000 --> 02:43:56,720
Speaker 14: I think it's like, wait, wait, wait before you answer,

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Speaker 14: are you sure you want to give this this away?

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02:43:58,200 --> 02:43:59,720
Speaker 1: Before everybody starts trying.

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Speaker 8: To know even though trust me, even if I gave

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02:44:01,320 --> 02:44:04,800
Speaker 8: it away, people will still okay, they'll still they'll still

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Speaker 8: fu I think for me, and I mean for me

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Speaker 8: and maybe different, I think there's a fine line.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: For me is if I meet quote unquote a fan,

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Speaker 8: the last thing I want to talk about is music.

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Speaker 8: And I think this is just something for you know,

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Speaker 8: whatever person you're meeting in that field, you know what

3063
02:44:25,160 --> 02:44:25,560
Speaker 8: I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: If it's uh, you know, if they're.

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Speaker 8: Actors, uh, sports people, whatever, that person has been talking

3066
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Speaker 8: about what they do all day every day, you know

3067
02:44:34,959 --> 02:44:37,360
Speaker 8: what I'm saying. If I'm Michael Jordan, you know what

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02:44:37,400 --> 02:44:40,000
Speaker 8: I mean. I don't want to talk about basketball.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. From K I don't want

3070
02:44:43,920 --> 02:44:49,880
Speaker 1: to talk about you know, he ain't talking saying ship.

3071
02:44:50,280 --> 02:44:51,720
Speaker 1: But other than that, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 13: I think you know there that being a an artist

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Speaker 13: or being a famous person.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's be clear to about fame. You know what

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02:44:59,520 --> 02:44:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: I think, like my theory on famous is that it's

3077
02:45:04,360 --> 02:45:05,720
Speaker 8: kind of like jail, right, you know what I mean,

3078
02:45:05,760 --> 02:45:08,240
Speaker 8: It's like whatever year, Like how you know people say

3079
02:45:08,320 --> 02:45:10,560
Speaker 8: whatever year you go to jail in whatever age you are,

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02:45:11,560 --> 02:45:12,720
Speaker 8: that's the age you stay.

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02:45:12,840 --> 02:45:15,120
Speaker 1: You don't really develop past that point, you know what

3082
02:45:15,160 --> 02:45:27,800
Speaker 1: I mean. I think that, oh wow, you striking. But

3083
02:45:28,040 --> 02:45:29,560
Speaker 1: so it's like I think fame is the same way.

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02:45:29,600 --> 02:45:32,400
Speaker 8: I think whatever year, however age you are, that when

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02:45:32,480 --> 02:45:35,760
Speaker 8: you pop, like when you just become the man or

3086
02:45:35,840 --> 02:45:38,320
Speaker 8: the woman whatever, that's kind of you kind of live

3087
02:45:38,360 --> 02:45:39,720
Speaker 8: in a state of arrested development.

3088
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Speaker 10: So to me, the thing that is most endearing is

3089
02:45:43,920 --> 02:45:45,840
Speaker 10: when you meet people and they just talk to you.

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02:45:46,000 --> 02:45:47,920
Speaker 1: Just like regular fucking people. You know what I'm saying,

3091
02:45:47,959 --> 02:45:49,440
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to like.

3092
02:45:51,200 --> 02:45:53,240
Speaker 8: Or whatever, Like yo, you see that on Instagram and

3093
02:45:53,400 --> 02:45:56,480
Speaker 8: you see the twerking chip, Like we can just talk

3094
02:45:56,520 --> 02:45:57,879
Speaker 8: about just regular ship.

3095
02:45:57,720 --> 02:46:00,160
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. But it's weird. That's a

3096
02:46:00,240 --> 02:46:02,000
Speaker 1: hard middle to do because.

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Speaker 13: I have people in my life that do the opposite, Like.

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Speaker 1: A mere I'm gonna let you know you ain't ship,

3099
02:46:08,360 --> 02:46:09,960
Speaker 1: just to let you know, I don't want to get

3100
02:46:10,680 --> 02:46:16,080
Speaker 1: I got you. Yeah, and then they got people right now,

3101
02:46:16,360 --> 02:46:19,000
Speaker 1: the people to try to just take it too far.

3102
02:46:19,560 --> 02:46:27,280
Speaker 1: Just yeah, but that's that's being super obvious that it's

3103
02:46:27,320 --> 02:46:31,240
Speaker 1: an issue. But you're doing like I have. Probably this

3104
02:46:31,440 --> 02:46:35,320
Speaker 1: room is is as normal as Yeah. I mean, that's

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02:46:35,360 --> 02:46:37,840
Speaker 1: why I'm not saying I gathered you here like a

3106
02:46:37,920 --> 02:46:47,360
Speaker 1: master plan, like please get your kool aid st put

3107
02:46:47,400 --> 02:46:55,640
Speaker 1: all your Nike culture purple. I think they were I

3108
02:46:55,720 --> 02:46:58,440
Speaker 1: think they were hail o. Wait did they take that

3109
02:46:58,600 --> 02:47:01,960
Speaker 1: Nike off the off your place? Because not I think

3110
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Speaker 1: they might have went up in sales calls. Everything else's

3111
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Speaker 1: but well we we thank you to Sugar Steve you

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Speaker 1: a little found of this episode.

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Speaker 29: Shout out to Henley audio of thank you, Andrew Handlenk,

3114
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Speaker 29: great job, great job, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Because I'll be honest, I thought we were all just

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Speaker 1: going to have to turn on.

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Speaker 29: That was my first plan when you said this, Yeah,

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Speaker 29: everybody bring an iPhone. I thought it was interesting.

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Speaker 30: Everybody who was interviewed there you were sort of pressing

3120
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Speaker 30: them on when Prince would make them, you know, stand

3121
02:47:41,440 --> 02:47:43,480
Speaker 30: there and loop some music for an hour or two

3122
02:47:43,560 --> 02:47:46,360
Speaker 30: hours whatever while he practices dancing, and nobody seemed to

3123
02:47:46,400 --> 02:47:48,920
Speaker 30: resent anything. Everybody saw that there was a purpose behind it,

3124
02:47:49,040 --> 02:47:50,280
Speaker 30: and they kind of took pride in it.

3125
02:47:51,080 --> 02:47:52,560
Speaker 3: Like if you told me play.

3126
02:47:52,480 --> 02:47:55,039
Speaker 30: Drums four hours, you just sit there and watch.

3127
02:47:54,879 --> 02:47:55,360
Speaker 1: Me or whatever.

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02:47:56,800 --> 02:48:02,080
Speaker 30: You're fucking crazy, but you know, everybody seemed to see

3129
02:48:02,200 --> 02:48:04,439
Speaker 30: the method to his madness.

3130
02:48:04,240 --> 02:48:04,400
Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was pretty cool. Well and going the hotel,

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Speaker 1: all right, Well, this is an amazing, amazing episode of

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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme. Hope you guys join us next time.

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Speaker 1: Uh on behalf of Quest Love Fante Bill both unpaid

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Speaker 1: and Boss Bill Layah Steve. Hope you join us next

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Speaker 1: Wednesday for another episode. Uh I guess what one PM

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Speaker 1: and ten a m specific standard time specific specific, yes, specific.

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Speaker 1: This is Quest Love signing off Quest Love Supreme. Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much, Quest Love Supreme. It's a production in

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