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Speaker 2: Hey Hurdler's Emily Avadi here with Episode one and twenty,

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Speaker 2: the first of season three of Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast,

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Speaker 2: writes it down with inspiring individuals to talk about everything

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Speaker 2: Expect vulnerability, motivation, and candid discussions with everyone from top

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Speaker 2: athletes to aspiring entrepreneurs on what it really takes to

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Speaker 2: I feel so many ways about season three. I'm sitting

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Speaker 2: I have really been taking your feedback into account when

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Speaker 1: so they're written or meant to be written in pencil

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Speaker 1: with an eraser, because when I write one, I'm thinking

436
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: perfect scenario. Everything is great. It never gets too hot,

437
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Speaker 1: it never gets too cold, you never break up with

438
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Speaker 1: your boyfriend or girlfriend. You're always motivated to run, you know,

439
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 1: like there's there aren't people walking the opposite direction in

440
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 1: lanes one through four for some reason with their two

441
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: dogs that aren't on leashes when you're trying to do

442
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 1: a workout, like everything's perfect. But that's not real. So

443
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 1: a training plan is meant to be adjusted. And that's

444
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: technically that's coaching. Coaching isn't running a training program. Coaching

445
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: is adjusting the training program. So if you have a

446
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Speaker 1: really hot day, the first thing you do is well

447
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Speaker 1: for me personally, would be I would adjust what time

448
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Speaker 1: I'm running. Now, that doesn't mean everyone can do that,

449
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: but right before the sun comes up is going to

450
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Speaker 1: be the coolest part of the day. Not everyone can

451
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Speaker 1: run at that time of day. Not everyone has the

452
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Speaker 1: discipline to do that. I definitely did not, But I

453
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Speaker 1: will say this, I know what the worst time of

454
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Speaker 1: the day to run is, and it's between two and

455
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Speaker 1: maybe four thirty. I'm not running there. I'm also going

456
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Speaker 1: to try to run in the shade, not because it's cooler,

457
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Speaker 1: but because the sun's radiation isn't going to giving me

458
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: a double whammie of heat and radiation. I also know

459
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Speaker 1: that if I can run maybe later in the day

460
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: when the sun sets, some of the edge is gonna

461
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Speaker 1: be taken off. If it's hot and humid, I'm gonna

462
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Speaker 1: make sure I'm running somewhere where I've access to water

463
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Speaker 1: just in case I need it. And this is the thing.

464
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Speaker 1: You're gonna need it. You're gonna need it to put

465
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Speaker 1: inside you and on top of you. To make the

466
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Speaker 1: run better. I'm gonna have to maybe adjust the distance

467
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Speaker 1: and the pace, maybe both. So there's all of these

468
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Speaker 1: things that you're going to do because the goal is

469
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Speaker 1: not for you to suffer through a terrible run. It's

470
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Speaker 1: how can I have the best possible run I can

471
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Speaker 1: have considering the conditions. That doesn't mean what's written in

472
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Speaker 1: the training program has to happen exactly. It's what's the

473
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Speaker 1: spirit of the day. How do I do that as

474
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Speaker 1: best as I possibly can? And then coach a lot

475
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Speaker 1: of people equate these adjustments of just being soft and

476
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Speaker 1: a wimp and we and that's just bs when you're

477
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Speaker 1: doing that, you're coaching. That's what you're doing. You're saying

478
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Speaker 1: it's ninety degrees out, it's eighty five percent humidity. It

479
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Speaker 1: calls for uh, you know, twelve k or seven miles

480
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Speaker 1: at seven minute mile pace. Like, okay, that's if it's

481
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Speaker 1: seventy degrees and with a light breeze, it's hot out.

482
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Speaker 1: Adjust Maybe that means you're gonna run seven miles, but

483
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Speaker 1: you're gonna stop and hit every single water fountain in

484
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Speaker 1: Central Park along the way, and the pace is going

485
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Speaker 1: to be thirty seconds slower. That's the spirit of the

486
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Speaker 1: run when it's this warm, when it's this humid. So again,

487
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Speaker 1: I think it's just giving people the freedom to run

488
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Speaker 1: the right way as opposed to what most people think,

489
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Speaker 1: which is if I adjust, if I tweak, I'm not

490
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Speaker 1: good enough, and that's bs.

491
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Speaker 2: I love that tidbit of advice. I can say that

492
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Speaker 2: I've definitely been adjusting a lot. And I think what

493
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Speaker 2: you're saying here is really just a men of like

494
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 2: give it what you have and do the best with

495
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: what you have, and stop being so hard on yourself.

496
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Speaker 2: Like running is about, at the end of the day

497
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Speaker 2: for most of us, having a good time. And so

498
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Speaker 2: it's not about sludging through the thickness and you know,

499
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Speaker 2: tiring yourself out to the point of heat exhaustion, especially

500
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Speaker 2: right now. It's about finding the goodness in running, no

501
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Speaker 2: matter when or where you might be.

502
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and go back to the purpose too, I mean,

503
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Speaker 1: if you're going out and this is another thing, and

504
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Speaker 1: some of it is some mental gymnastics, but a lot

505
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Speaker 1: of running involves mental gymnastics. If it's really hot and

506
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Speaker 1: humid out, okay, and you're supposed to do a run,

507
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: sometimes the best thing to do is say, Okay, let's

508
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Speaker 1: pretend it's really beautiful, it's cool, maybe it's a little

509
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: cloudy out, it's the perfect environment for a run. How

510
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: is this run going to feel if I do it correctly? Okay,

511
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Speaker 1: Just because the weather conditions change doesn't mean it should

512
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Speaker 1: change how the run feels. The pace and the distance

513
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: may change, but the effort you give should not change.

514
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Speaker 1: And a lot of times what happens is when the

515
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:16,239
Speaker 1: environment changes, people change the effort with it, which is

516
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: not what you're supposed to do when you're running. If

517
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: you're supposed to run easy, regardless of the conditions, the

518
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: run should feel easy. And what's going to make it

519
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: feel easy is going to be adjusting the pace of

520
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: the distance. But what most people do is they say, Okay,

521
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Speaker 1: the goal of today is not an easy run. The

522
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: goal of today is to run this distance at this pace.

523
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: And that's again that's BS. That's actually not the goal.

524
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: The goal is to run an easy run. So you

525
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Speaker 1: adjust distance or pace in order to have an easy

526
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Speaker 1: run with the correct conditions. People get this when you

527
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: talk about altitude. Very few people say, well, you know,

528
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: I ran at ten thousand feet and I didn't change

529
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: my paces or distance. Of course you did. You were

530
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Speaker 1: forced to do it, and you don't complain about it.

531
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Speaker 1: But when people deal with extra temperatures and weather conditions

532
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 1: for whatever reason they're you know, the our intelligence goes

533
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: out the window and we just make bad decisions when

534
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: it comes to running, and that leads to a bad run,

535
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: and that leads to again a ripple effect where you

536
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: start taking it into future runs and people burn themselves out.

537
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Speaker 2: Right, Well, you said something that I think is really important,

538
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 2: which is that every run has a purpose. And for

539
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Speaker 2: many of the people listening to this podcast, running as

540
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 2: a whole probably took on a little bit of a

541
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: different purpose with what was going on in the pandemic.

542
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: So for the athletes that you work with, and I

543
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: would argue that's many athletes on a large scale, although

544
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Speaker 2: maybe not one on one. What have you been talking

545
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: about when it comes to how they can better handle

546
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: the sport and what running gives them during this god

547
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: unforeseen time.

548
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually if you separate the negative, if you

549
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: separate obviously this global pandemic and you focus on the running,

550
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: it's it's been and actually a really powerful few months,

551
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: I think for the sport of running, for all runners.

552
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: And the reason why is because prior to this you

553
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: were no one was really forced to explore running beyond

554
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: the way they knew it. So you have a lot

555
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: of people who get into the sport for a few reasons,

556
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: and the most popular ones are obviously I want to

557
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: increase my fitness, and and usually it's it's something even

558
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: more specific like I want to lose weight. I think

559
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: gaining fitness is a far more powerful and longer lasting

560
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: goal than losing weight. I think losing weight is a

561
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: pretty terrible primary reason. I think you should you should

562
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: really be trying to gain and not lose things when

563
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: you run. But so there was that, and and it's

564
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: really to get ready for a race. So while they

565
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: alm to do a five k or I'm gonna try

566
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Speaker 1: to do a half marathon or a marathon, and those

567
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: are those are very very narrow reasons to go for

568
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: a run. In fact, any individual run should have a

569
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: ton of different purposes for why you're doing it. And

570
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: I think what happened was when you got rid of

571
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Speaker 1: the races, and then on top of that, you had

572
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: this incredible amount of stress from the outside coming in,

573
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,479
Speaker 1: the fear of the pandemic, the fear of what's next.

574
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: It was it's a very very scary time, and running

575
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: became something different. It became an opportunity to go out

576
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: and find a little peace out on the run. It

577
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: became an opportunity to say, Okay, my day was totally

578
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: completely out of control. It's hard for me to understand

579
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: the world I'm living in right now because everything is

580
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: out of whack. But I pressed start on my watch,

581
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Speaker 1: and I ran around my block a few times where

582
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: I ran along the water or on a treadmill or

583
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: around my apartment, and I pressed stop, and I saw

584
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Speaker 1: I ran for this distance, and I ran for this time,

585
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: and I am proud of that, for a little bit

586
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: of time, I was able to get better at something,

587
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: I was able to accomplish something, I was able to

588
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: build some confidence in a tough situation as something to

589
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: be proud of. And all of these things started to

590
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: bubble up, and people looked at running as an avenue

591
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: to do a hell of a lot more than cover

592
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: distance over a certain time, or to run a five

593
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: k as fast as they could, or to lose a pound.

594
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: Suddenly it was I feel a little bit calmer, or

595
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: I can be a better partner, or I feel like

596
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: I have a little clarity for the first time today.

597
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: Running was a salvation for a lot of people when

598
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: it was really just an opportunity to get ready for

599
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: a race, or you know, to get a beach bot

600
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Speaker 1: or whatever. You know other reasons people had. And listen,

601
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: I'm not discounting any of that stuff, but I think

602
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: running can be about a hell of a lot more

603
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: than just losing some weight or crossing a finish line.

604
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: And I think people discovered it. And I'll tell you what,

605
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: If you have basically a reservoir of different reasons for

606
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: why you run, it's much harder to show up with

607
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: no motivation. If it's only to get faster, okay, that's

608
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: you're going to run out of gas pretty quickly. If

609
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: it's only to lose weight, you're going to run out

610
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: of gas pretty quickly. But if it's an opportunity to

611
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: again deal with stress, find a little joy, have some

612
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: time to yourself, explore. You know you're going to show

613
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: up some days where you don't want to get faster.

614
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: The weight thing isn't that big of a deal to

615
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: you right now, but you know what, you do need

616
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: a little alone time. You do need a little peace

617
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: in your life. And suddenly again, if you've got a

618
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: lot of purposes for our run, to me, that lends

619
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Speaker 1: itself to having a lot of excuses to run, as

620
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: opposed to a lot of excuses to not run.

621
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Speaker 2: For sure, for sure, okay, so you yourself, bring you

622
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Speaker 2: back to your personal story. You are in high school,

623
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Speaker 2: you're loving running, and then you head on to college

624
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: and you do some of it there as well.

625
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: Yes, I was lucky to go to the University of

626
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: North Carolina at Chapel Hill and run for the tar

627
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: Heels for five years, red shirted. A couple of seasons,

628
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: So why go to college for four when you can

629
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Speaker 1: go for five. I ran cross country and indoor an

630
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: outdoor track, and yeah, but it was but I kind

631
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: of ended up repeating the same mistakes I made in

632
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: high school in college. I got to college, and which

633
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: happens to a lot of athletes, when they get to college,

634
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: they just lose focus. It's a different environment compared to

635
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: high school. I was a part of a very good

636
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: high school program, very tight high school program. When I

637
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: got to college was a little bit looser, and I

638
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: kind of lost my way. And again I got to

639
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: a point where I just I wasn't enjoying running. I

640
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: convinced myself I wasn't enjoying running, and really what it

641
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: was similar to high school. I just wasn't very happy

642
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: with who I was becoming. I was back to being lazy.

643
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: I was very undisciplined, and I was saying, maybe it's

644
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: I don't like running and that's why I'm not running well.

645
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: And it really was coming down to the fact that

646
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: I just I wasn't committing to something I cared about.

647
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Speaker 1: And I don't know if shame is the right word,

648
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: but it was pretty close because I was letting my

649
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: teammates down. I was letting myself down, and rather than

650
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Speaker 2: What did your wife bring to you that you didn't

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Speaker 2: have before when it came to running.

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Speaker 1: Well, she was coming back to running too. So she

694
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Speaker 1: had been an extraordinary runner in high school and then

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Speaker 1: I think after a freshman year in college, stepped away

696
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Speaker 1: from the team and then came back to it. So

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Speaker 1: she had decided this is something I want to do.

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Speaker 1: And I was dragging her down. And that's a really

699
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Speaker 1: terrible feeling when you realize you're you're playing a part

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Speaker 1: in someone not achieving everything they can achieve. And she

701
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Speaker 1: basically had said, look like, this is important to me,

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Speaker 1: So you're either running with me or I'm leaving you behind.

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Speaker 1: And so it was, you know, which I could translate

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Speaker 1: to I'm about to get dumped. And I cared about

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Speaker 1: her and I cared about running, and suddenly it was just, Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to say it was a long process, it

707
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: was immediate. I suddenly realized, Wow, I am screwing over

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Speaker 1: myself and a lot of people around me, and I

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Speaker 1: just stopped. It was cold Turkey. The next day, we

710
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Speaker 1: got up really early for a morning run. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I remember, this is a long time ago, and my

712
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Speaker 1: entire career changed, and I could see how I was

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Speaker 1: acting very very clearly, and I could see all the

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Speaker 1: mistakes I had made and it's very easy to correct

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Speaker 1: mistakes when you know you're making them. And from there

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Speaker 1: on out, I was pretty aware of what the mistakes

717
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Speaker 1: were to make, which meant I had a pretty good

718
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Speaker 1: understanding of how not to make them.

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Speaker 2: It's a really interesting perspective. It's easy to correct mistakes

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Speaker 2: if you know that you're making them, because I think

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Speaker 2: that a lot of the time. I mean, maybe it's

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Speaker 2: not so much a mistake, but when you're set in

723
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Speaker 2: your way about a certain thing, it does take that

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Speaker 2: external person or thing or what I call on the

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Speaker 2: show hurdle moments to kind of snap you out of

726
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Speaker 2: maybe how something has been just because that thing was

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Speaker 2: comfortable or what you were used to.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and look, we are wonderful creatures at creating excuses

730
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Speaker 1: for ourselves. They can be excuses to do something great,

731
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Speaker 1: or they could be excuses to do something less than great.

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Speaker 1: And I had just gotten into a really nice rhythm

733
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Speaker 1: of just making excuses for why I wasn't achieving certain things.

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Speaker 1: And again, like I think one of the jobs of

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Speaker 1: a coach is to help you understand what mistakes are

736
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Speaker 1: possible and certain ways to make those mistakes. And again,

737
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Speaker 1: like I was having a conversation once with a coach

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Speaker 1: who says, sometimes you got to let someone fall down.

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Speaker 1: You got to let them fall down so they get hurt.

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Speaker 1: I said, that's just about the dumbest thing I've ever

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Speaker 1: heard in my life. I totally disagree with that. I

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Speaker 1: would rather explain to an athlete, Listen, when you fall down,

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Speaker 1: it hurts, and here are a few ways to not

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Speaker 1: fall down. And if you trust me, then odds are

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Speaker 1: you're not going to need to fall down to understand

746
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Speaker 1: it hurts. So, yes, there are life lessons that you

747
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Speaker 1: can live and learn from. But we have this wonderful

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Speaker 1: community of human beings on the planet. There's what eight

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Speaker 1: billion of us. That's a lot of life lessons. If

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Speaker 1: you don't take advantage of other people's life lessons, you're

751
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Speaker 1: an idiot. They're there learn from them. It doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: you're not going to make the same mistakes. But I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what, if you're open to learning and you're

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Speaker 1: not arrogant, odds are you can learn a hell of

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Speaker 1: a lot from other people and make less mistakes in

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Speaker 1: the process.

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Speaker 2: So you're getting back into running, and it goes quite

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Speaker 2: well because not only do you do pretty damn good

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Speaker 2: in college, but then post college you head off to

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Speaker 2: run for Nike for five years.

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Speaker 1: I did. There weren't too many opportunities back then to

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Speaker 1: run post collegiately. One of them was with the Nike

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Speaker 1: Farm Team, which was based at Stanford University and was

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Speaker 1: started by a gentleman with the name of Jeff Johnson,

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Speaker 1: who if you're kind of a Nike junkie, you know

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Speaker 1: him as employee number one. So he was the first

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Speaker 1: hire by Phil Knight, the founder, with Bill Bowerman and

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Speaker 1: Jeff actually came up with the name Nike. Phil Knight

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Speaker 1: wanted to call it Dimension six. So Jeff, in a

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Speaker 1: lot of ways, saved what could have been a disaster.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he was my first coach. Just one of

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Speaker 1: the sweetest, kindest, most brilliant people I've ever met, and

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Speaker 1: I was very lucky I went out. I moved out

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Speaker 1: there and ran for the Farm team for five years

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Speaker 1: and it was an awesome experience. I mean, the cool

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Speaker 1: thing was is I went from being the best miler

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Speaker 1: Carolina to then moving out and running for the Farm team,

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Speaker 1: where you know, obviously Stanford was training to run any

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Speaker 1: given day at the track. I mean, I could be

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Speaker 1: the tenth or twelfth or thirteenth best miler at the

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Speaker 1: track that day. And to me, that was awesome because

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Speaker 1: I wasn't one of those people who felt like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I can't surround myself with better people. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: surround myself with better people, like that was the only

785
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Speaker 1: way I was going to get better. So and it's

786
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Speaker 1: like this deal you have to make, and I think

787
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Speaker 1: it's an important one to make that if you want

788
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Speaker 1: to get better, you may be guarantee that you never

789
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Speaker 1: win a race ever again. And I pretty much guarantee

790
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Speaker 1: that I was never going to win a race ever again.

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Speaker 1: I think in five years, you know, I won maybe

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Speaker 1: three races, and two of them were like road races

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Speaker 1: that you know I was supposed to go to to

794
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Speaker 1: get a workout in. So I mean, like when I

795
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Speaker 1: was racing against legit competition, I just stopped winning, but

796
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Speaker 1: I got better. So again, it's running is one of

797
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Speaker 1: those sports where again you truly have to measure success

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00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: a lot of different ways, because if you don't, you're

799
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Speaker 1: just going to run yourself into a wall. And I

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Speaker 1: was totally okay with never winning a race ever again

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Speaker 1: if it meant I at least could challenge myself and

802
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Speaker 1: have an opportunity to try to get as good as

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Speaker 1: I could be.

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Speaker 2: So, what was your biggest goal while you were running

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Speaker 2: with Nike for those five years, because during that time

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Speaker 2: you also had a job in finance, right, Yes, I.

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Speaker 1: Worked full time in the private client group for Merrill

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Speaker 1: Lynch in Menlo Park. There's not an incredible amount of

809
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Speaker 1: riches if you're a pretty good distance runner. So I

810
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Speaker 1: had two goals. I mean, my biggest goal was I

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Speaker 1: wanted to break four minutes in the mile, because that's

812
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Speaker 1: just a legendary barrier and had been something that I

813
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Speaker 1: dreamed of once I kind of fell in love with

814
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Speaker 1: the sports. I wanted to break four minutes in the mile,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to qualify for the Olympic try, not

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Speaker 1: the Olympics. I had teammates. Their goal was to qualify

817
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Speaker 1: for the Olympics. Mine was to qualify for the Olympic trials.

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Speaker 1: And the short answer is because why is because they

819
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Speaker 1: were just better than me and I wasn't good enough

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Speaker 1: to run in the Olympics. No matter how hard I worked,

821
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Speaker 1: I was never going to be good enough to qualify

822
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Speaker 1: for the Olympics. I knew that. It didn't make me sad.

823
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Speaker 1: It in a lot of ways, it excited me because

824
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Speaker 1: I got the train around people who were good enough

825
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Speaker 1: to have that goal. Mine was simply to qualify for

826
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Speaker 1: the trials. And the reason why I wanted to qualify

827
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Speaker 1: for the trials was I wanted to I think that's

828
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Speaker 1: the that's, to me, is the most exciting track and

829
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Speaker 1: field event in our sport. I'm biased obviously some Americans,

830
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Speaker 1: so it's the US Olympic Trials, but any trials is.

831
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Speaker 1: I just find it more exciting than the Olympics because

832
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Speaker 1: there's so much on the line for athletes that are

833
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: sacrificed so much, and that struggle to get third is

834
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Speaker 1: just so beautiful and heartbreaking. And I just wanted to

835
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Speaker 1: stand on a line and look to the left and

836
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Speaker 1: right and say this is These are the best, you know,

837
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Speaker 1: fifteen hundred meter runners in my country, and I belong

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Speaker 1: with them.

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Speaker 3: So how does that pan out for you?

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Speaker 1: Well, I missed qualifying by about a second and a

841
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Speaker 1: half in two thousand for the trials, and then in

842
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: two thousand and four I got hurt three weeks before

843
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: the window closed to get a qualifying time, So it

844
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: didn't work out so well. I also didn't break four

845
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Speaker 1: minutes for the mile. My high school goal was I

846
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Speaker 1: wanted to anchor the championship distance medley relay pen relays,

847
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Speaker 1: and I was tied for the lead with one hundred

848
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Speaker 1: meters to go and then got drilled by three different teams.

849
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Speaker 1: So I had three major goals in my career and

850
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Speaker 1: I was zero for three. I was very successful at failing,

851
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: you could say.

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Speaker 2: When you quote unquote fail at all three of these

853
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Speaker 2: schools at different times. I think a lot of people

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Speaker 2: they come to these moments and they really let themselves

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Speaker 2: get down. Did you go through a point where you

856
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: allowed yourself to kind of embrace this failure and then

857
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Speaker 2: move on from it.

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Speaker 3: How did that work for you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, in sports, it's it's different than failure I

860
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: think in other parts of our lives. And what I

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Speaker 1: mean by that is it, you know, there's the pen relays.

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Speaker 1: Failure in high school was devastating because there wasn't another's

863
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Speaker 1: chance to do that.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I was a senior in high school and that was it,

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Speaker 1: and that was brutal, and I felt incredibly alone, and

867
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: I felt incredibly sad, and I felt like I had

868
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: let a whole bunch of people down because I was

869
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: the last person holding the baton, and I remember for

870
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: a decent amount of time that that hurt. I mean,

871
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: it still haunts me, and I think that's okay too.

872
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: But I also having I also coached high school for

873
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: seven years, and this was very important to me, was

874
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: when if I'm going to be challenging people to give

875
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: everything they've got to something with the real distinct possibility

876
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: that it's not going to happen, then I am inviting

877
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: the possibility of failure and their heartbreaking. And to me, though,

878
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: that's a beautiful part of sports and life. Because if

879
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: I had walked away from losing a pen and I

880
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: didn't care or I wasn't affected by that, then did

881
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: it matter? And I think you know, when your heart

882
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: breaks over something, it's proof that you cared, it's proof

883
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: that you had passion for something. And yeah, the pendulum's

884
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 1: got to swing both ways. So the pen thing haunted

885
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: me in two thousand. I just said, well, I'm just

886
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: I missed it by a second and a half. I'm young,

887
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to make it next time. And that's the

888
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: thing with running. When you run your best you never

889
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: know it's your best. You just assume there's something else.

890
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: I mean, there's never anyone I've met ever in my

891
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: career as a coach or an athlete who said a

892
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: personal best and then said that's it. I'm never going

893
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: to run better. They immediately are like, well, let's get

894
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 1: back to the drawing board and let's get a little

895
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: bit faster. This is great. I made this mistake and

896
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: that mistake and I missed time in Remember when I

897
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: rolled my ankle, you know, walking off the curb. This time,

898
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: I won't roll my ankle. I'm gonna run so much faster,

899
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: and that's exciting. So I just assumed that I was

900
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: going to make it in two thousand and four, and

901
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: I assumed I was going to break four minutes in

902
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: the mile. So when those when the four minute mile

903
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: didn't happen, that was kind of a delay because you

904
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: just assume it's going to happen. It didn't happen this time,

905
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: it's going to happen next time. It didn't happen this time,

906
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: it's going to happen next time. Not making it in

907
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, Yeah, it hurt the most when

908
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: I was watching it in the stands because I think

909
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: three or four of my teammates made the final for

910
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: the fifteen hundred at Trials, and I was sitting on

911
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: the backstretch watching and I knew I was as good

912
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: as most of them, and I could have been there,

913
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: and I knew that I wasn't going to run again

914
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: next time, so that hurt. And again, I think that's

915
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: part of the reason why I love Trials so much,

916
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: is because it's impossible for me to not watch the

917
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: men's or women's fifteen hundred and not get a little

918
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: upset because I know that I really dedicated a large

919
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: part of my life to be on that starting line

920
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: that a bunch of men and women are on right now.

921
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: But I also think it's part of the reason why

922
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: I love it. I again, I think that I'm one

923
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: of those people that if you're upset, then be upset,

924
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, don't don't fake it. You know, like if

925
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: you need to cry, then cry your ass off. If

926
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: you're pissed, then be pissed and end on the flip side.

927
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: If you're happy, then be happy. If you if you

928
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: did something great, then celebrate your ass off. Don't dim

929
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: your light, you know, for anybody, because I think it

930
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: has to be both ways, and I think that's part

931
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: of being human. And we kind of rob ourselves of

932
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: what that means in either direction when we pretend we're

933
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: not said, or we pretend we're not happy.

934
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: I can totally relate to that. I mean, when you

935
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 2: look back on the you know, the sub four mile

936
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 2: goal or aiming for that Olympic trials, do you have

937
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 2: any regrets per se?

938
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, absolutely, tons tons. I also, I mean, now

939
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: if we're gonna like rip down a bunch of posters,

940
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: I utterly despise the no regrets poster, you know, or

941
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 1: the no regrets shirt or something like that, Like there's

942
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: this more BS. To live a life without regrets is asinine.

943
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna make mistakes. To not regret those

944
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: mistakes as stupid, it doesn't mean that you can't learn

945
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: from them. I did, But yeah, I had tons of regrets.

946
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: I mean there were times when I went out and

947
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: you know, and went out drinking or partying while I

948
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: was training and ended up getting sick and I lost

949
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: training time and as a result, I didn't run as

950
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: fast as I could have. And to look at that

951
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: and say, oh, I don't regret that because I learned

952
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have done that. Duh. I mean, I knew

953
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have done that, and I did it, and

954
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 1: as a result, there were consequences. I regret that. I mean,

955
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: so yeah, I had I had tons. I mean, you

956
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: got to remember, my career is littered with me being

957
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: lazy or selfish, making dumb decisions, which all helped me

958
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: make a big I think helped me become a very

959
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: good coach because I've made almost all the mistakes you

960
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: can make. I've ignored injuries, I've tried to run through

961
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: things I shouldn't have run through. I've cut corners when

962
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have and as a result, yeah, I've I

963
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: can take advantage of all of those now when I'm

964
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: working with people, and I'm thankful for that, but it

965
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: doesn't change the fact that I regret some of those things.

966
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean when I was in the best

967
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 1: shape of my life, I was in the best shape

968
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: of my life. So I ignored the fact that my

969
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: achilles hurt because I just want to do one more race,

970
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: because I think this is the one when I'm going

971
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: to break four minutes. And then it doesn't happen, and

972
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: my achilles hurts a little bit more. But I'll just

973
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: ice it and I'll just keep running on it because

974
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to break four minutes. And next thing,

975
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, you know, two days after Internationals, I'm you know,

976
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: in a boot and I missed outdoor track when I

977
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: absolutely positively if I have to speak in hypotheticals here,

978
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: can you ever be absolutely positively and hypothetical, Well, for

979
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,959
Speaker 1: this one, we're going to be. I would have broken

980
00:52:55,040 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: four minutes and outdoors and I didn't because I was

981
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: screwing around with an injury because everything was going great

982
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: except for that, and I ignored it. So yeah, I

983
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,919
Speaker 1: have tons of regrets and I take advantage of as

984
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: many of them as I possibly can.

985
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: So you move back to the East Coast because a

986
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: job opens up at your high school. Talk to me

987
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 2: about that job and how that job led you to Nike.

988
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: Well, my wife and I first moved back to North Carolina.

989
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: I took a job with Morgan Stanley. So running was

990
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: done and I was still in finance, and we moved

991
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: to North Carolina. And at this point we had my

992
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: son Jack and my daughter Maggie, and I didn't want

993
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 1: to be working in finance at all, and in the summers.

994
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: This shows you what a total geek I am. I

995
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: would use some of my vacation time to go volunteer

996
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: at a cross country camp for high school kids. So

997
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be around the sports. So, you know,

998
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: there were other people that were taking vacations in really

999
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: nice places, and I was. I was going to the

1000
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: mountains of Pennsylvania to spend six days with teenagers and

1001
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: get them ready for a cross country season. And I

1002
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: was in heaven. And I don't know if this might

1003
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: have been the second or third year I was doing this.

1004
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: It was in the end, during the end of August,

1005
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: I got a call I was at camp saying a

1006
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: history position opened up, which never open up. History teachers

1007
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: never quit, okay, because it's just the greatest job in

1008
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: the world. And a position finally opened up at the

1009
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: high school I had gone to, and would I be

1010
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: willing to come in and interview for it? And you know,

1011
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: I called my wife and said, can I be gone

1012
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: an extra like day or two, I'm going to drive

1013
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: to New Jersey and I'm going to take this interview,

1014
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 1: And she said, go for it. So I went, got interviewed,

1015
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: and they offered me the job right after the interview.

1016
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: The you know, the rub here is that class starts

1017
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 1: in like a week. Okay, I've never taught before, and

1018
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: I also didn't know what they were gonna pay me, so,

1019
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: but I just wanted to teach and coach. That's what

1020
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: I had always wanted to do. I wanted to teach

1021
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: and coach. I knew that, like in my soul. So

1022
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,720
Speaker 1: a week later, I was teaching world history in twentieth

1023
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: century history to freshmen and seniors and coaching cross country.

1024
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: And what happened. I did that for seven years. The

1025
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: team was good, but the team started get better and

1026
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: better and better over the course of the seven years.

1027
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: So as a result, we were you know, winning at

1028
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, national championships in cross country and indoor and outdoors,

1029
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: and my wife and I were it was important to

1030
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: us to build a running community where we were. So

1031
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: she was coaching one of the middle schools and we

1032
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: started to do a series of camps and one of

1033
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: them became one of the biggest cross camps in the Northeast.

1034
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: We were having like two hundred and fifty kids at

1035
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 1: a sleep away camp and cross country. We had indoor

1036
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry. We had track camps, day camps,

1037
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: we had cross country day camps. We were running races

1038
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 1: for the community, whether it was twilight miles or Tuesday

1039
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: night workouts, and we had middle school across country races,

1040
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: and so we were just building this really, really awesome community.

1041
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: And as a result, Nike was noticing because we were

1042
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: getting three hundred kids to the Sunday Long Run in

1043
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: the summer. So if you know high school a cross country,

1044
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: it's hard to get kids to run during the summer.

1045
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: But we were getting hundreds of kids coming from all

1046
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: over the Tri state area to come and do this

1047
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: Sunday long run. So Nike was coming in and saying,

1048
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: would you like to have us come in and talk

1049
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: to the kids, And I said, of course. I mean,

1050
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: I'm never going to rob the kids of you know,

1051
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: meeting athletes or getting you know, free shoelaces or whatever

1052
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: it was. Kids loved it. So we would do that,

1053
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: and they would ask me to help out with athlete

1054
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: interviews at Penn and they just started to ask me

1055
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: to do more and more things for them. There was

1056
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: a I think it was the tenth anniversary of the

1057
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: Nike Free They asked if there's a way to make

1058
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: treadmill running fun and I said, yeah, you can make

1059
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: treadmill running fun. I said, you just got to put

1060
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: some time in it. And they said, well, what would

1061
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: you do? And I came up with a bunch of

1062
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: treadmill workouts and they ended up having these live treadmill

1063
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: classes in Nike Town by Fifth Avenue. Maybe it was

1064
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: a twenty twelve or something like that, and then the

1065
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: following year they asked me to do it again, and

1066
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: then eventually they asked me to come into New York.

1067
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: They had a couple questions, and I thought it was

1068
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: like a consulting thing. They were just going to ask

1069
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: me a few questions. And they said they had a

1070
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: group of runners that were meeting at stores around the

1071
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: country and they were just wondering what ideas I had

1072
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: to work with these people that were coming in and

1073
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,919
Speaker 1: just going for runs. And I basically just said, well,

1074
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: I would treat them as elite athletes. And they said, well,

1075
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: these aren't like pros. I said, I know they're not pros.

1076
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: I treat them like they were. I would treat them

1077
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: like their e lead athletes. And they said well, what

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Speaker 1: does that mean. I said, well, I'd have a schedule

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Speaker 1: Monday through Sunday and Tuesday would be a track workout,

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00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: Thursday would kind of be of strength workout, Saturday would

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Speaker 1: be a long run. The other ones would be recovery days.

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Speaker 1: And they said, well, are people going to show up

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Speaker 1: seven days a week? I said, it doesn't matter if

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Speaker 1: they show up seven days a week. If they want

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Speaker 1: to show up on a Tuesday, give them a great

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Speaker 1: track workout, if they want to show up on a Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: give them a great recovery run and guide them and

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Speaker 1: teach them how to run so they need us less

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Speaker 1: and less and they can run more and more. And

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Speaker 1: they said, well, would you do that? I said, I

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00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: just told you I would do that. And they said no, like,

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Speaker 1: will you do that? And then that I again, I

1093
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: didn't know this was a job being offered, and what

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00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: I was doing I loved. So I basically just said, listen,

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Speaker 1: if I did something like this, there's a few things

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00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: that I believe in, and that if you asked me

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00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: to go against them, I'm going to tell you no.

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Speaker 1: And if you're okay with that, then maybe, And I

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Speaker 1: wrote out a list of things on a white legal

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Speaker 1: pad that was in the room, and I remember it

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00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: because I still have the legal pad and I still

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00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: have what I wrote out, and it was just in

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Speaker 1: marker and they said okay. So that summer of twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 1: I started what would become NRC, which began in New

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00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: York City as a pilot and then went to Boston,

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00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: in LA and Toronto, and then eventually we had live

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Speaker 1: sessions based on this structure and the workouts I was

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Speaker 1: putting together I think in like just over forty cities

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Speaker 1: around the world. About a year later.

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Speaker 3: You know, you have to tell me what was on

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00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 3: the legal pad.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was. They came to be known as the Truths.

1113
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Speaker 1: So the first one was we're all meant to be runners.

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Speaker 1: And I just told them that anyone who walks through

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00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: the door, to me, they're already runners. I'm not creating

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00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: anything that you know. Coaches don't create, they uncover and

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Speaker 1: to me, it's just you're just a runner that's not

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Speaker 1: running potentially. And I said, it's important for me that

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Speaker 1: you understand that, because you know, a lot has changed

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Speaker 1: in running in the last few years. But there was

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Speaker 1: this idea that you had to be a certain type

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Speaker 1: of person and look a certain way and act a

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Speaker 1: certain way to be a runner. And again just more bs.

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Speaker 1: So I said, I don't care who walks through the door.

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Speaker 1: To me, they're a runner. And then there were just

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Speaker 1: other things. Every run as a purpose was on there,

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Speaker 1: and again it was me just explaining, like what my

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Speaker 1: philosophy is about running. You have to be a better

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Speaker 1: athlete if you want to become a better runner, you know,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of the stuff I'd learned over the

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Speaker 1: course of a career. And sometimes it was just silly

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01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: things like the be a better athlete to become a

1133
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: better runner was just we used to play basketball at

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Speaker 1: the end of across country season in Carolina, and these

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01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: are athletes that are running seventy to ninety miles a

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01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: week for months and months and months and can run

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Speaker 1: crazy fast ten k's over you know, trail, but when

1138
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Speaker 1: you get us to play a twenty minute basketball game,

1139
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: we're sore for two weeks. So to me, that was

1140
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: a really great insight into I became a great runner,

1141
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Speaker 1: but I as a result, I became a terrible athlete.

1142
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: And if I was just working, I'm becoming a better

1143
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: athlete while becoming a better runner. I'd become a better runner.

1144
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: So all of these things that turned into us having

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01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: kind of NTC NRC overlap. So I said, we have

1146
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: to work on these things if we're going to have

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Speaker 1: people run better. And again it was I still got

1148
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: the list. I won't bore you with all of them,

1149
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: but you know some of them measure success as many

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01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: ways as you can. We believe in you even if

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01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: you don't, And to me, that's kind of the essence

1152
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: of a coach is you know, we're always we should

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01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: always be talking and working with the athlete you are today,

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01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: but seeing the athlete you are going to become. And

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Speaker 1: that's all about potential. So this is the foundation, this

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01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: is the philosophy that this is going to have. It's

1157
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: not going to be successful and then turn into something else.

1158
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: So that was part of the reason why I wrote

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Speaker 1: them down.

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Speaker 2: again about my friends at Daily Harvest. Listen, I have

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01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 2: this thing that I cannot end the day without something sweet. Literally,

1163
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Speaker 2: I have been working my way through the ice cream

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Speaker 2: aisle over these past few months, which is why I

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Speaker 2: their new plant based ice cream.

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Speaker 3: It tastes so fresh.

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Speaker 2: I've never been a big berry ice cream person until

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Speaker 2: I tried this, and my mind was just blown. Hand

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Speaker 2: That's Dailyharvest dot com. What would you say, reflecting on

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01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 2: that first year taking on that this role was probably

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01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 2: one of the biggest lessons that you've learned.

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Speaker 1: I well, I think it A lot of it has

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01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: to do with and I tell this people a lot

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01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: when they ask about you know, what's what's an important

1185
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: thing about coaching? But if to be the least important

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01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: person in the room is super important. And I say

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Speaker 1: that because I never knew who was showing up, so

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Speaker 1: we would have, for instance, which is very different than

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Speaker 1: the coaching I was doing. I was working with athletes

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Speaker 1: every single day of the year, you know, and I

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01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,919
Speaker 1: would see them during the day in school to now

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01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: showing up let's say on a Wednesday night for what

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Speaker 1: we call the home run, where there would be four

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Speaker 1: hundred athletes that would show up, and maybe two hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty of them I've never met before. So every

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Speaker 1: single one of them I have to assume is having

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Speaker 1: a one on one with me that night, and like

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Speaker 1: I said, they have to have a really delicious strawberry.

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Speaker 1: So the important thing for me, and this went down

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Speaker 1: to the pacers, who were the individuals that we would

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Speaker 1: have that would help lead the runs. They were by

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01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: far the most important people to make this work because

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01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: they had to buy in that the athletes that they

1204
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 1: were helping. That's all that mattered was be the least

1205
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: important person. And if you can do that, then you

1206
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: can coach everybody. You can get to know everybody because

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01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 1: everybody suddenly is important. And again to me, it was

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01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: I loved it. I thought it was going to be

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01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: really difficult, and there are things that I absolutely love

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01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: about training people, you know, day in and day out

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01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: and seeing the little moments and all that. But I

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01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: can I can get that done at scale if I

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01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: can get these people to be asking the questions of

1214
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: themselves that I would normally be asking them if I

1215
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: saw them every single day, and getting to see those

1216
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: breakthroughs at numbers you know that are in the hundreds

1217
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: of thousands or millions, is feels really good.

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Speaker 2: You've said something recently on the episode of Train you

1219
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 2: recorded with Ryan Flaherty, who was also un hurdle last year.

1220
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Speaker 2: You said to him that one thing that you love

1221
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 2: that you've incorporated a little bit more into your regular

1222
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 2: routine since the pandemic began was that you have been

1223
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 2: making and carving out more time in your mornings to

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01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 2: interact with athletes, which I think is really really special

1225
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 2: and probably again like really rewarding for you as a

1226
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Speaker 2: coach and what means and means the world to them

1227
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Speaker 2: as an athlete. When you think about, you know, your

1228
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 2: time in this awesome, awesome role, do you think of

1229
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 2: any one too few specific interactions that you reflect on

1230
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 2: and you're like, wow, Like how fortunate, am.

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Speaker 1: I Yeah, well, I mean it's there are a few

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01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 1: that stand out, but I but I'll first say all

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Speaker 1: of them have an impact, you know, whether it's somebody

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Speaker 1: running their fastest ten k to someone running, you know,

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Speaker 1: for two days in a row for the first time

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01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: in their life, or finishing a run and saying I

1237
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: kind of sort of don't hate running right now, you know,

1238
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Speaker 1: like that's incredibly powerful to me. I will say this,

1239
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: I get an overwhelming amount and this is uh and

1240
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 1: depending on what kind of mood you're in, it's it's

1241
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 1: either sad isn't the right word at all, But I

1242
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 1: think you'll understand what I'm saying because it's it's really

1243
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: emotional and powerful and positive. But the amount of people

1244
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: that are dealing with really really horrible things in their

1245
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: life and a run saves the day. And I don't

1246
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:56,479
Speaker 1: mean today, the run saves tomorrow, like literally, like they

1247
01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: say I went to bed kind of okay with waking

1248
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 1: up tomorrow, and you're like, oh, I know where they're

1249
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: at right now, and just finishing a run is what

1250
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: gave them enough strength or hope to say I think

1251
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: I can get through tomorrow too. Now if you just

1252
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: unpack that. It's really hard, I think, to not go

1253
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: through your day being a little bit less of an asshole,

1254
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 1: knowing that there are people out there that are carrying

1255
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: overwhelming burdens, but something as simple as a run can

1256
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 1: get them to say, I got enough in me to

1257
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Speaker 1: get through tomorrow and we'll see about two days from

1258
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: now tomorrow. Now, I think I honk at people less

1259
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,600
Speaker 1: on the road. I think I smile at people a

1260
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 1: little bit more because it's impossible to not wonder what

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01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: that stranger or person you know not feel comfortable telling

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01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: you is going through. So I am very lucky that

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01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: these people are brave enough to share some of these

1264
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 1: things with me. But yeah, there's there's there's a lot

1265
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: of really tough days people are getting through, and for them,

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01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: it's the simple act of starting and stopping a run

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01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 1: is what gets them through another day.

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Speaker 2: I love that, I think, And you mentioned interaction. You

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01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:34,799
Speaker 2: mentioned the opportunity to do it with a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: and I think that obviously brings us to social media. Now,

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Speaker 2: if I look at your social media feed, I see

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Speaker 2: that on average, if I had to guesstimate, estimate, guestimate.

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Speaker 1: Cuestimate cuesstimating. I think either one.

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Speaker 2: You post once a month, which means that Coach, we're

1275
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 2: coming to that point almost where we're overdue for some words.

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Speaker 2: And I think there's a lot of things going on

1277
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 2: in the world right now, so I'm curious to know

1278
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 2: really like where you're at and what you've been rolling

1279
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:07,799
Speaker 2: over lately.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I get a lot of heat for not

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01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: posting more, at least posts on Instagram. I do a

1282
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: lot of responses either in the stories or through just

1283
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: I guess DM people right back, and then I'm on Twitter,

1284
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit more loose. Yeah, it's I don't

1285
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: know if I've backed myself in a corner where I think,

1286
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,879
Speaker 1: you know, what I write has to be super powerful

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01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:41,640
Speaker 1: or something like that. I don't know what it is,

1288
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: but I should probably post more. I mean for me

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Speaker 1: right now, I mean this is and it's hard for

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Speaker 1: me to talk about really any time without kind of

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Speaker 1: having a historical perspective. And again that's just the nerd

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Speaker 1: in me that you know, taught history and majored in

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Speaker 1: history and reads a lot. I'm mulling over a ton

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01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 1: of stuff right now, I think, like anybody else, and

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Speaker 1: this is a very unique time, and it's also not

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Speaker 1: a very unique time. So we're dealing with a lot

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Speaker 1: of issues that have been dealt with and then kind

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Speaker 1: of like put aside time and time and time again,

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Speaker 1: and we're dealing with things like a global pandemic that

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Speaker 1: the world has gone through but hasn't gone through in

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Speaker 1: a really long time or in a way like this,

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Speaker 1: So it's and then you've got geopolitical stuff that in

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01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:49,679
Speaker 1: some cases is anything but unique, in other places is yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is the first time we're going through something like this.

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01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: So it's very easy, I think, to get exhausted, and

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01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the danger that people that

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01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 1: are trying to make positive changes in the world are

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01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,799
Speaker 1: the people that I'm most concerned about, because I worry

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01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 1: that they're going to get exhausted. And there are certain

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Speaker 1: you know, just leaders, and I don't mean leaders where

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01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: they've got ten million followers or they're in a political office.

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Speaker 1: I mean people that are just leaders of their friend

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Speaker 1: group or their run crews, or their group of teammates

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Speaker 1: or buddies. Everyone kind of has to make sure that

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Speaker 1: they're taking care of themselves, because if you can't take

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Speaker 1: care of yourself, you're not going to be able to

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Speaker 1: take care of other people as well as you could.

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Speaker 1: And I think at this point, right now and our

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Speaker 1: little timeline of history on this planet of ours, we

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Speaker 1: need good people to really be taking good care of

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Speaker 1: themselves because we need everybody right now, and we're going

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01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: to need everybody tomorrow and six months from now, and

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01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 1: two years from now and ten years from now. So

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Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, I think I'm reaching out

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01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 1: to more and more people because I realized that more

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01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 1: and more people just need to hear they're doing something

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01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 1: good and that somebody's acknowledging them. And I think I

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Speaker 1: need it too, because I'm we're burning through inspiration and

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01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 1: motivation on a daily basis faster than we ever have,

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Speaker 1: and which means we need more and more and more

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01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 1: of it to get through our day. So I think

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Speaker 1: what people need to understand is that when you call

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Speaker 1: out someone for the good they're doing, it feels really

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Speaker 1: good to do that, but it's also really good for

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01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 1: that person to hear it, and there's more energy that

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Speaker 1: comes from that than there was prior to you doing it,

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01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 1: and we need as much of that good stuff as possible.

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Speaker 1: So I know, from my point of view, it's just

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01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 1: as selfish an act as it is a selfless act

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01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 1: to reach out to people and tell them they're doing

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Speaker 1: a good jobs.

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Speaker 2: Actually a good chunk of study and research behind the

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01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 2: fact that if you take the time during about effort

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Speaker 2: to congratulate or motivate somebody else as you go, that

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01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 2: you kind of get reamped to go on your way.

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Speaker 3: And I remember that I.

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01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:19,520
Speaker 4: Was exposed to this information a few weeks before Chicago

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Speaker 4: last year, and so I was just out there on

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01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 4: the course like everybody's biggest type man, because I.

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Speaker 2: Was like, I'll take every little bit here, Please let

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Speaker 2: me show up for you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it works. And I again, that was a trick

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Speaker 1: I used as a coach. I used to I used

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Speaker 1: to tell athletes when they're really really tired, to either

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Speaker 1: lead an interval or hang out in the back of

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Speaker 1: the group. And you know, especially those New York athletes

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01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:47,839
Speaker 1: that at icon Stadium and stuff, they would they would

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01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 1: know this were get in the back, and I want

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01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 1: you to make sure no one falls off. And that's

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Speaker 1: a that's you know, sometimes you put somebody in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the group and you say everyone's going to

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Speaker 1: protect you. And then you feel this responsibility because everyone's

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01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 1: kind of trying to protect you. But sometimes when you're

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01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: really fatigued, the best thing to do is not to

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Speaker 1: protect that really fatigued athlete, it's to give them more

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Speaker 1: responsibility and say, I want you at the back of

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Speaker 1: the group, and you're the one that's going to keep

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Speaker 1: this group together. And people again, they rise to the

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Speaker 1: occasion when it's to help other people, and that that

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Speaker 1: is one of the uh, one of the really great

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Speaker 1: traits of maybe not trait. I think it's one of

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Speaker 1: the great opportunities we have as humans, is we get

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Speaker 1: to do stuff like that. You know, there's the line

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Speaker 1: in a again I'm a music kind of junkie, but

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite lines in one by you two

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Speaker 1: is we get to carry each other, not we've got to.

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Speaker 1: We get to And I think that's that's a cool

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01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: way of looking at it. You know, it's a it's

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Speaker 1: a gift to get to help.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the importance of taking the time to take

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Speaker 2: care of yourself. Obviously you're in a place where a

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Speaker 2: lot of people are looking to you for that regular motivation, which,

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01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 2: as you said, we are burning through at a rapid rate.

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Speaker 2: So how are you taking care of yourself? And then

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Speaker 2: where are you looking for continued inspiration? I'm sure it

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Speaker 2: has a lot to do with the running community.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I again, I'm I'm very lucky because I

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01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 1: have people reaching out to me telling me that they

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Speaker 1: did something which is cool and and I take total

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01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 1: advantage of that. So I am in a very very

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01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 1: lucky position. But because I get it's funny, I get

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01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 1: asked a lot when I do little q and a's

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01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 1: and stuff of like, well, you know, how do you

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01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: stay motivated all the time, or you know, how do

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01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 1: you stay inspired all the time? And again it's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not like I struggle a lot with motivation and inspiration.

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01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 1: It's but again, like I I've mentioned, it's struggling means

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Speaker 1: you haven't given up, you know. I mean, that's that's

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01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 1: the thing. And if you're looking for motivation, that means

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Speaker 1: you haven't lost it all because you need to be

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01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: motivated to look. So I try to remind myself that

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Speaker 1: as low as I get on it, you know, the

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01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 1: little motivation or inspiration scale, I've got enough to do

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01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 1: something to find more. And I'm at a huge advantage

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01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 1: over other people because I don't have to look very far,

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01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 1: so I should show up all the time and be

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01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 1: motivated and inspired. I have no excuse to say, you

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01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 1: know what, everybody, I'm gonna take two weeks off and

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01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 1: you're on your own, and I'm not gonna respond to you.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's bullshit. I don't have that excuse when

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01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 1: I'm privileged with hundreds and hundreds of people telling me

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01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 1: that they did something better than they've ever done before.

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01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,720
Speaker 1: They're proud of themselves, Like I don't have that excuse,

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01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 1: so I'm unwilling to take that excuse. So there's a

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01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,679
Speaker 1: little bit of I guess I feel a response ability

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01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 1: to show up. And it's also I take the title

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01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 1: of coach uh really seriously. I think it's a sacred

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01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 1: position to be in, like a teacher. It's there's an

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01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 1: element of trust that people give you that I don't

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01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 1: have to earn because I say I'm a coach. I

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01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 1: say I'm a teacher, So people give me that trust

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01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to abuse that. But at the

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Speaker 1: same time I realized that means I got to show up.

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01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 1: There was this story I usually tells UH when I

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01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 1: used to coach and are seeing the city. My goal

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01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 1: was to catch the nine thirty six pm train back

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01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 1: to Jersey, so I had to get to Penn station

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01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 1: and get on the ninth I think it was nine

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01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 1: thirty six or nine thirty two. But after the runs,

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01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 1: you know, there's a line of people who want to

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01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 1: talk and I would never stop. The only time I would, ever,

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01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 1: you know, stop talking to people is if I had

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01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,919
Speaker 1: my pacer meeting that I had to go to. But anyways,

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01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 1: you finish and you're tired, you know. I mean like

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01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: it's coaching and teaching is tough, you know, And I

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01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 1: mean that in a great way, though it's not tough

1437
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 1: like finance. Finance drained me and I just felt miserable.

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01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 1: Coaching and teaching trained me and I felt great. But

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01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 1: I remember getting on a subway and I would sit

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01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 1: down and I would and you know, I'm on the

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01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 1: E train, I think, heading back, and I just put

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01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:24,679
Speaker 1: my head down and i'd relax, and then I'd see

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01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 1: a pair of like shoes in front of me and

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01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's a runner, and I would

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01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: look up and then you you got it beyond because

1446
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:38,639
Speaker 1: this is the thing, like, it doesn't matter if I'm tired.

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01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm the coach, so I'm there to coach and pick

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01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 1: up your sweats and grab the water for you and

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01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: answer your questions. That is my job. My job is

1450
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 1: to take care of you as best as I can.

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01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if I'm on a train and I'm tired.

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01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:01,640
Speaker 1: And again that that was hard, but it excited me that,

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01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 1: like you know, this is if you're going to take

1454
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: the title of a coach or a teacher, then show

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01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 1: up and be a coach or a teacher. And yeah,

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01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 1: so again like I as a result, that person who's

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01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: asking a question wants to improve, How can that not

1458
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 1: inspire me when they walk away? So again, I don't

1459
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 1: have the luxury of running empty.

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Speaker 2: What a poignant point of view when I think about

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01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 2: that in a relation to what's going on right now.

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01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 2: And I think you made a really important point earlier

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01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 2: as well, talking about leaders not just being someone with

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01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 2: ten million Instagram followers, but being someone that people everywhere

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01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:55,440
Speaker 2: in any capacity could look to for perspective, advice, motivation.

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01:20:55,760 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I would argue to that effect that we

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01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 2: all have the opportunity to be leaders. It's just coming

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01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 2: to a place where you're ready to step up to

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01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 2: the challenge absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And this is the thing. It doesn't you know, as

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01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 1: long as we remember a couple things about you know

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Speaker 1: what leadership really means. Leadership isn't a title. Leadership is

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01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 1: how you act. So you don't need to be a

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01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 1: leader per se to lead, and you don't need to

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01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 1: be at the front to lead. I mean my parents

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01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 1: and my parents, my wife and my son were at

1477
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 1: one of the protest marches in downtown Portland about a

1478
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: week and a half ago, and they were telling me

1479
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 1: about there were people on the side of the road

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01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 1: that were handing masks out waters food. Now they weren't

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01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 1: even marching, but they were helping the marchers. Like to me,

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01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 1: that's leadership. You know, to go set up a table

1483
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,759
Speaker 1: on the side of the road because you've got extra masks,

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01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:06,679
Speaker 1: that's a leader. They weren't at the front of the march,

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01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 1: they didn't have a bullhorn, but the people at the

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Speaker 1: front of the march with the bullhorns, they're leaders too.

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01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:14,560
Speaker 1: The people at the back that were asking people, do

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01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 1: you need some help, do you want to take a break?

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01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: Do you want to borrow my umbrellas? These are all leaders.

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01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 1: So it you know, I think what happens is is

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01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 1: and this is the you know, there's pluses and minuses

1492
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 1: with social media. It's not all social media's fault either,

1493
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 1: but every big action is built by a ton of

1494
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:39,640
Speaker 1: tiny actions. And it always used to bother me when

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01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 1: people were talking about like how important race day is,

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01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 1: and I'm like, race day is one of the least

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01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 1: important days of all and race day doesn't exist unless

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01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 1: we nail the one hundred and eighty days. You're not

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Speaker 1: paying attention to leading up to race day and if

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Speaker 1: you don't take care of that, Achilles going to make

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01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 1: it to race day. So it's that act of icing

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01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: ten days in a row and backing off a little

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01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 1: bit that actually was the major event of the one

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01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty days. I can speak to that. So

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Speaker 1: we just have to be open to the fact that

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Speaker 1: these huge events, these huge moments in our lives are

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Speaker 1: are usually built way before the moment an event actually occurs,

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Speaker 1: and there's a lot of people that are involved, and

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01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that are involved. And if

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Speaker 1: you do that, then you're open to twenty four hours

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Speaker 1: of your day being important. And that doesn't mean stressful,

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Speaker 1: it means being worthy. And consequential and important, and to me,

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Speaker 1: I think that's it's a gift to understand that your

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Speaker 1: whole day has value. I went off on a little

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Speaker 1: ramble there, but sorry.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate a good ramble. You're good. You're good.

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Speaker 2: So before we really wind down, I have to ask you,

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Speaker 2: as I'm sure many of your athletes are asking you,

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01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 2: because they hope and pray that you have the answers

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01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:10,760
Speaker 2: that nobody does. But when it comes to where we

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01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:13,719
Speaker 2: think that running is going right now, I mean right now,

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Speaker 2: the sport is in an amazing opportunistic time of Wow,

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Speaker 2: how many people that maybe never thought they were going

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01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 2: to get out and be a runner are taking this

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Speaker 2: time to learn that they too can be a runner

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Speaker 2: and that they too are an athlete. But how long,

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Speaker 2: hopefully does this last? Pending the racing situation, do you think?

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Speaker 1: I think there's a better opportunity for the boom we're

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Speaker 1: seeing now lasting than any of the other ones. And

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Speaker 1: the reason why is again, because this one isn't hyper

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Speaker 1: focused on one type of running. Okay, you've got people

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Speaker 1: that are running for the right reason. Now, if you're

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Speaker 1: running for the right reasons, there's a greater opportunity you're

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Speaker 1: going to consistently run. I don't think there is anything.

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Speaker 1: And again, one of our issues has always been people

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Speaker 1: defining themselves as a runner because people are scared to

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01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 1: do that, okay, because they think there's you know, some

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't even know what they think anymore.

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01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 1: There's so many reasons why people say I'm not a

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01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 1: runner because I don't run you like you do run

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01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, I know, but I don't run fast,

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01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 1: And you're like, what are you talking about? You do

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01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 1: run fast, but I don't run long like you've done

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01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 1: three marathons. So people love beating themselves up. So I

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01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 1: do think though, that there's an opportunity for the people

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Speaker 1: that are starting to run or starting to run in

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01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 1: a different way now, to run more consistently. And to me,

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Speaker 1: that's the key. Everyone can sign up for a half marathon,

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Speaker 1: to run a half marathon, but then what you did it?

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Speaker 1: So if your entire purpose was to cover thirteen point

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Speaker 1: one miles and you did it, why would you run

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01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 1: the next day? But if your goal is to run

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01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 1: a half marathon and discover a little bit more about

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01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 1: yourself and to challenge yourself and again to relieve stress

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01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 1: while training for a half marathon as well, and then

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Speaker 1: you run the half marathon. You can still run the

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01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 1: next day and find out something new about yourself. You

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01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 1: can still run the next day and relieve some stress,

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01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 1: and you can always train for something else or nothing

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01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 1: at all. So to me, what's always been missing from

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Speaker 1: running Booms has been all the other ways to run.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's the most important thing is someone

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Speaker 1: that's had a lot of different reasons to run, like

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Speaker 1: I've done the I want, like my entire focus of

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01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 1: running is to get faster. That doesn't mean I didn't

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Speaker 1: have a blast doing my runs with my friends. I did.

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Speaker 1: Those are that's that's what gets you through it. But

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01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:50,799
Speaker 1: my number one purpose was I want to cover one thousand,

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01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 1: six hundred and nine meters as fast as I possibly can.

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01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 1: And I was lost when that was gone, and it

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01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 1: took me a really long time to figure out why

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Speaker 1: I would keep running. And then I didn't need a

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01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 1: global pandemic to figure it out, but it took me

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01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 1: a really long time. So I've been running consistently since

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01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 1: I figured out that running is about more than distance

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01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 1: and pace and duration. And that's why I think where

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01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:27,599
Speaker 1: we're at right now, it's a really really great place

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01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 1: for the sport. I think that the nice if I

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01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:35,879
Speaker 1: could build a bridge, it would just be to remind

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01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 1: people that are going out there and running that they

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01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:43,679
Speaker 1: are a part of a sport. They're not apart from

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01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 1: the sport because they're not racing. They are a part

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01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 1: of the sport. And just like elite athletes can get

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01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 1: motivation from somebody dealing with really really bad depression with running,

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01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 1: someone who's dealing with depression can gain inspiration from someone

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01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:05,680
Speaker 1: trying to break two hours in the marathon. And I

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01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 1: think once we realize that the simple act of running

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01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 1: is what brings us together, we're gonna have a lot

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01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 1: more fun running. And look, I'll put this way to me,

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Speaker 1: running is like I equate with music. Okay, Like I

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01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:29,720
Speaker 1: like certain types of music, and I have friends who

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01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 1: like different types of music. But that doesn't mean my

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01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 1: music isn't music to them. It doesn't mean that some

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01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 1: of my music they don't like. But if I'm putting

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01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 1: on the Clash and someone else is, you know, putting

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01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:49,639
Speaker 1: on Taylor Swift, it's both music and if it gets

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01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 1: them excited and happy, I'm happy. For them, and every

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01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:54,720
Speaker 1: once in a while, yeah, I'll sing along to some

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01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 1: T Swift. It's rare and it's probably not actually gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: But it's just like there's lots of genres of music.

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01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 1: There's lots of types of music that we all listen to.

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01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 1: There's lots of emotions that we gather for music. There's

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01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 1: certain music I don't want to listen to first thing

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01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 1: in the morning. There's certain music I don't want to

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01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 1: listen to right before bed, but I'll listen to it

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01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 1: at different parts. There's certain music I want to party to.

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01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 1: There's certain music when I'm sad I want to listen to.

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01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:24,839
Speaker 1: It's no different than running, and all of those different

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01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 1: reasons for listening to that music does not make any

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Speaker 1: of that music less authentic or legitimate.

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Speaker 2: If I am an athlete, I go to your social

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01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:36,800
Speaker 2: media page, I see this awesome Nike coach. When you

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01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 2: look in the mirror, what is it, Chris that you

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01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 2: see looking back at you?

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01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 1: Sadly? Right now, that mustache is still looking back at me.

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01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 1: But if I can get past that, I mean, I

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01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 1: think my ultimate responsibility is I'm a husband and I'm

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01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 1: a dad to three kids, So that's first and foremost.

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01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 1: So I got to check those boxes off first, and

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01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 1: then I still look at myself as just the history

1621
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 1: teacher and the high school coach. And I say it

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01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:16,679
Speaker 1: all the time, but I mean it. I mean I'm

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01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:21,600
Speaker 1: really still coaching the sixteen year old in everybody, and

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01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:26,519
Speaker 1: so to me, it's not very complicated and the role

1625
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 1: isn't like you know that. I always laugh when I

1626
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 1: hear how global running and it's just nothing's really changed.

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01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 1: I'm still just coaching either the actual sixteen year old

1628
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:41,720
Speaker 1: or the sixteen year old that you were or you

1629
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 1: still could be. It's that simple. My job's not terribly complicated.

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01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean it's not important. It doesn't mean that

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01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 1: there aren't complicated people that I work with, because I

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01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 1: think that's the thing. Running's not complicated. Coaching running is

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01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 1: not complicated. Working with people is complicated. But yeah, it's

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01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:03,600
Speaker 1: pretty simple. And again it's if at the end of

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01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 1: the day when I look in the mirror, my hope

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01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 1: is I helped. And it's really that simple, and I

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01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 1: think if I try to make it more complicated, I'm

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01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:15,639
Speaker 1: not going to be able to help as much.

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01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 2: You have a chance, right now to offer one, one single,

1640
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 2: only one, which, as a man of many words, I

1641
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 2: feel like this can feel a little difficult for me

1642
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 2: to ask you. But one piece of advice to a runner,

1643
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 2: regardless of ability. So beginner, give jogi, whoever it is,

1644
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 2: you tell them one thing. What do you tell them?

1645
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:46,599
Speaker 1: Be kind to yourself. I think that's the one piece

1646
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 1: of advice because that doesn't mean you're not challenging yourself,

1647
01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 1: and it doesn't mean to not be honest with yourself.

1648
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that you can't give yourself some tough love,

1649
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 1: but just be kind to yourself. One of the greatest

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01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 1: impediments to running as well as you can and I

1651
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 1: am defining well in a lot of different ways, but

1652
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:09,920
Speaker 1: you can define it any way you want. It can

1653
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 1: be as fast as you want to go, as long

1654
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 1: as you want to go, as enjoyable a run as

1655
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 1: you can have. If you're not being kind to yourself,

1656
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 1: you're not going to run as fast, go as far,

1657
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 1: or have as great a run. We can be really

1658
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 1: terrible coaches and teammates to ourselves, and I think if

1659
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 1: we could all could get better at that, we're going

1660
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 1: to run better.

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01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 2: Final question, you have an opportunity to offer yourself one

1662
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 2: piece of advice. You listed off a few pretty big

1663
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:42,840
Speaker 2: hurdle moments, but let's bring it back to that time

1664
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 2: where you just weren't caring as much, right before your

1665
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:48,240
Speaker 2: wife kicked you in.

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01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:49,800
Speaker 3: To gear bless her.

1667
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have an opportunity to offer yourself one piece

1668
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 2: of advice looking back on that hurdle moment right now,

1669
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 2: what do you tell yourself?

1670
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:03,200
Speaker 1: Don't be afraid to be yourself. I think a lot

1671
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 1: of my issues, especially when I was younger, came from

1672
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 1: feeling I needed to present myself in a certain way.

1673
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 1: I think that would probably be the best advice I

1674
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 1: could I could give myself. I don't think I was

1675
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:16,680
Speaker 1: as crazy and I wanted to party as much as

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01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 1: I did. I don't think I was as loud as

1677
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:23,600
Speaker 1: I was, you know, And because I was loud, and

1678
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 1: there was a part of me that was I think

1679
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 1: playing a part. So yeah, I think that the advice

1680
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:31,559
Speaker 1: would be, don't be afraid to be yourself.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time today, coach. I

1682
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 2: couldn't tell you enough how much I appreciate it.

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01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:37,720
Speaker 3: Now.

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01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 1: This was awesome. Thank you so much for having me.

1685
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:42,439
Speaker 1: It was totally one hundred percent my honor to be

1686
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:42,800
Speaker 1: on here.

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Speaker 2: Please take a moment and leave a quick review by

1688
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 2: clicking the link with the description into this episode. We

1689
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 2: all face multiple hurdles in life. I want to hear

1690
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:51,639
Speaker 2: about yours. Reach out to me at Emily at Hurdlet

1691
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 2: us connect with the podcast Instagram, Twitter at Hurdle podcast coach.

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Speaker 2: How do they keep up with you? Give me all

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Speaker 2: of the details.

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01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 1: This is man, the social media stuff is It's hard

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Speaker 1: for me. I'm coach Bennett on Instagram and I'm Bennett

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Speaker 1: Run b E n n E t t r u

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Speaker 1: N on Twitter. If you want to, you know, get

1698
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:21,600
Speaker 1: on there with me. And then if you go in

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01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:25,600
Speaker 1: the Nike Running app, you can find me under the

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01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:28,600
Speaker 1: guided runs. So we've got probably over one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty hundred and sixty guided runs in there, and for

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01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:33,840
Speaker 1: better or for worse, I'm on a bunch of them.

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01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:36,720
Speaker 2: If I'm going to take one guided run tomorrow, what

1704
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:37,479
Speaker 2: do I start with?

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01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 1: If you're starting for the first time, I would do

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01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:45,880
Speaker 1: the first run, And if you're just looking for a run,

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01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:48,439
Speaker 1: I think a good one to start with. If you

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01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 1: if you want to go for forty five minutes would

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01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 1: be the thank you run. I think that's a that's

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Speaker 1: a good one to always do because every run is

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Speaker 1: a little bit better if you're thankful.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: I am at Emily Bodi at Hurdle Podcast, Another hurdle conquered.

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Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time.