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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of My Heart Radio. En Yo,

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Speaker 1: it's been done. How you doing girl, I'm good, I'm good.

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Speaker 1: You know it's ridiculous. Oh man, Yes, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: tell you about this. This dude went to war against

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Speaker 1: soft rock radio. Yeah, I know it sounds wild, right,

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Speaker 1: So just imagine this. A twenty year old DJ Sandy Shore.

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Speaker 1: like you know, it's like two fifty in the morning.

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Speaker 1: She's about to put on the next song. She picks

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Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, that's a nice jam, how said she?

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Speaker 1: Here's this noise outside the station. It's a shotgun blast boom, right,

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Speaker 1: Forty one year old Norbert Shank has had enough. The

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Speaker 1: door to the radio station gets blasted open by a shotgun,

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Speaker 1: as the DJ, Sandy Shore recalled, because I found a

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Speaker 1: news reporter that she said, I thought I was going

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Speaker 1: to die. The shots kept coming closer and closer. He went,

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Speaker 1: blowing up everything, right, So he's blasting his way into

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Speaker 1: this radio station. Shotgun blast abruptly stopped right the intruder

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Speaker 1: She jumps up from where she's hiding. She goes, please

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Speaker 1: don't shoot me, and Norbert Shank he's like, oh no,

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Speaker 1: I won't. Then he politely hands her her purse and

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Speaker 1: as she flees the radio station, Norbert Shank goes back

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Speaker 1: redecorating the radio station with shotgun pellets. Right when cops arrived,

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Speaker 1: he calmly puts down his weapon. He explains why he

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Speaker 1: this because the soft rock? He's like yes. He's like

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Speaker 1: looking at the cops, they're like, whoa now, Sandy Shore.

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Speaker 1: Just to put this on perspective, she remembered and I quote,

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Speaker 1: the part that really got me was when he shot

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Speaker 1: the record I was playing right off the air. Oh

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Speaker 1: last song at that moment was Never Say Die, which

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Speaker 1: is this random UK soft rock song I had to

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Speaker 1: look up. It's so good. That is cool, cool cool.

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Speaker 1: That's ridiculous, ridiculous. Do you want to know what else

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Speaker 1: is ridiculous? I love ridiculous going home in a box

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Speaker 1: while alive. Oh this sounds confusing. It is. This is

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Speaker 1: ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists

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Speaker 1: and cons. It is always murder free and one ridiculous. Right,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about trains. Let's do that. Trains of the

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Speaker 1: Choo Choo for right, slip into something comfortable. I love this.

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Speaker 1: Who doesn't love trains? Villains? Good point? Let's talk trains trains?

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Speaker 1: Can we talk about I want to get locomotive first,

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Speaker 1: we got to talk about trains. Trains. I believe trains,

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Speaker 1: and I will always say this once more trains. Where

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Speaker 1: was I? Yes, trains on the various trains in Europe amazing.

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Speaker 1: I've heard they're good. Yeah, I redly like trains over there.

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Speaker 1: In the US. Amtrak is our trains for passenger train.

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Speaker 1: It does it's best love track, but it's not as

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Speaker 1: we don't have the infrastructure for it. I mean we

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Speaker 1: And we see now, especially with like the labor issues

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Speaker 1: favorite subjects is apparently Australia. We talk about Australia a lot,

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Speaker 1: but what you mean you right, right, Um, they have

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Speaker 1: you to meet Brian Robson. I see your train. He's

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Speaker 1: Our favorite Welshman, Brian Robson. Yes, that's my favorite dumb bunny. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: ignoring his training obligations. Zaren, this is why we pay

421
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: attention to paperwork. This is why we read things. Is

422
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: there a mouse in your pocket? Yes, because I have

423
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: like six mice in my pocket right now. It's super

424
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: uncomfortable to bear with me. And they want to talk

425
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: about trains. So um, yeah, he just didn't show up

426
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 1: to the right place so he doesn't get to be deported.

427
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: Poor planning, lack of follow through the Bryant story and

428
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: didn't read the fine print. Yeah. He gets released from

429
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: the Brisbane jail on April nineteen sixty five, almost a

430
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: year after he's arrived. So I move across the planet,

431
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: get a job, quit the job, do crimes, go to jail,

432
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: all within a year. It's impressive. He didn't know what

433
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: to do when he got out of jail. So, Szaren,

434
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about trains. He got

435
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: on a train. He goes back to Melbourne and he

436
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 1: gets a job at a paper mill. Could he go

437
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: back to the train. He's still determined to leave Australia.

438
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 1: So his salary is about thirty pounds a month, and

439
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 1: he by leaving early, he'd still owe the Australian government

440
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: around four d pounds for his flight over, So justing

441
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: a flight home for an additional three ten out of

442
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: the question. It's basically in debturd servitude at this point. So,

443
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: out of boredom, he visits the hostel that he hated

444
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: so much, another great plan of his. You know you're bored.

445
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: You're like, I wish something to do. Let's go somewhere.

446
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: I hate what's somewhere that sucked, what's disgusting. He's like,

447
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: let me look, and he makes two friends. He's like

448
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: one of those guys like, oh my god, this taste rotten.

449
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: Here taste this. And he's like no, he's the guy

450
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: who goes, oh my god, this taste rotten. Let me

451
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: try again. Yeah, it's still pretty hold on. Oh yeah

452
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: that is bad. That is bad. Oh hum dinger, that's bad. Um.

453
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: So he goes to this hostel and he's hanging out

454
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: and he meets two guys, John and Paul. They're irishman. Okay,

455
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: thank you. I was so close to a question that

456
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: was so ob um. Yes. So he meets John and Paul,

457
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: not Ringo. So one day the three boys, Brian, John, Paul,

458
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: they decided to go to a British product exposition. Your board,

459
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: You're like, here are choices. We can go to the hostel,

460
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: so we can go to a British product exposition, which

461
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 1: must make him Brian super homesick malade. Okay. So one

462
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: of the boosts there though, is for a company called

463
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 1: Pickford Removals, who they have a sign that said they

464
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: can move anything anywhere. Okay, British product exposition. I don't

465
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,479
Speaker 1: see how these I'm going to tell you because you're

466
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: a British product and you're like, we make products go

467
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: away basically. So Brian he's like staring all dumbfounded at

468
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: this display, and then he remembers something. The mouse in

469
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: his pocket like bit him, and he remembers all those

470
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: months ago that he read in that newspaper about an

471
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: Australian named Redd Spears who went from London to Perth

472
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: in a wooden crate on purpose. It was the eight escape, Yeah,

473
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 1: on purpose. A large animated light bulb appeared over brands,

474
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: the wattage low flickering that it was there attracting them off.

475
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: The following day, Brian he goes to the Quantis offices

476
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: and inquires about their freight costs and sizing. So he's

477
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: pretending to be there, asking on behalf of his company.

478
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm a businessman. My name is Brian. If

479
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: there was a box about the size of an adult male,

480
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: how much would that cost? So the create size restriction

481
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: for cash on delivery packages in the Create escape for

482
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: his book is thirty six inches by twenty four inches

483
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: by eighteen inches. I'm sorry you said cash and delivery.

484
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: He's sending himself to the UK on c O D.

485
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: Are you expecting someone to pay for his different? They

486
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: even do c O D anymore? Like remember they would

487
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: always say yeah, like send this or anyway, Okay, No,

488
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: I just bought something c O D the other day

489
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: from you line, the industrial like company. And then and

490
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: then they told me they're like, here's your invoice and

491
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I didn't do it on purpose.

492
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: I thought I was like waiting to pay, and they're like, yeah,

493
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: we'll send you. I'm like, okay, her neighbor's house. And

494
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: then they don't know where you Brian robson care of So, yeah,

495
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: he ships himself c D and probably sticking it to

496
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: his dad. Tend to build to my pop. So Brian,

497
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: he goes around, he's looking for something to make a create.

498
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: He goes to a timber yard, but he doesn't have

499
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: a crate. No, but he gets the measurements. He's like,

500
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: all right, So he gets a crate, he finds it

501
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: created a timber yard, and then he goes to John

502
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: and Paul. He's like, okay, guys, I have a plan. Yeah,

503
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: so he like it takes him a week to convince

504
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: them of just begging and pleading. He's like, come on,

505
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: think of the hostile Come on, guys, send me across

506
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: the seas and a box. Here's the thing. John, he's

507
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: working at the Victorian Railways ticket office at this point.

508
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: You know what's in that office, Sarah and I want

509
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: to talk to you today about trains. A typewriter and

510
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: letter head so you can do with those, yeah, type

511
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: to type type. John prepares the paperwork necessary to send

512
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: the box to Heathrow. He types everything up. They decided

513
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: to list the materials inside as quote mainframe computer parts

514
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: for repair. Did they think that would just get through customers.

515
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: They thought that no one knew they said, quote, nobody

516
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: knew much about computers, ourselves included, and so some nosey

517
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: official was less likely to poke his nose around inside

518
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: the box. He's like, I don't know anything for it.

519
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about it. No one else must.

520
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: I don't ask questions. I know everything, and questions He

521
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: prepares the box. He he braids string together to make

522
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: a rope for what. He nailed that to the inside

523
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: ends of the crate to act as a like safety belt,

524
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: like a seat belt, so he doesn't get tossed around

525
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: in the craziest strings, braids strings together. He doesn't put

526
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: padding well. And here's the thing. Brian had one possession

527
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: in this world was his suitcase. I don't know, so

528
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: of course he brought it with him. He was like,

529
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: he said, he brought a suitcase because it was his

530
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: one possession in the world. That takes up a lot

531
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: of room and it's not whatever, but you know, it

532
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: was all he had to call his own, so he

533
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: crammed it in there. Um, I don't know what it's

534
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: like to have just one thing to your name, so

535
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: I can't judge but I'm going to judge let it go.

536
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: It's just stuff, Brian. Leave the suitcase. Take the Canolian

537
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: thank you in the suitcase that I mean, I guess

538
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: it's empty. If that's the dear departed mama, I mean, like,

539
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: what could it possibly be that he's a fashion place,

540
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: very well made suitcase would be a shame to lose

541
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: something like that he brought. He brought other things, um

542
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: so they would technically also be the things that he

543
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: owned in this world. He brings one bottle of water.

544
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: He brings one empty bottle. Is he planning on cycling here?

545
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: In the clinical term is peep? Yeah, he's gonna. Yeah,

546
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: he'll like he's going to do the Australian teammaking. Yes.

547
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: He brings one flashlight and a couple of biscuits because

548
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: he wants to do some reading in the crate. Well,

549
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: yeah he does. So he brings biscuits or cookies or

550
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: whatever you wanna call him. He brings a hammer to

551
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: get himself out, Yeah, so that he could escape from

552
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: the crate once he arrived in London. He brings a

553
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: pair of pliers to pull the nails out from the inside.

554
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how did he build this crate. He

555
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: brings a blanket. Okay, that that's the first good thing.

556
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: His last thing one book of Beatles songs as reading material.

557
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: Did John Paul give that him? They're like, here you go,

558
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: my they're irishman, don't pin that on them, all right?

559
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: So he nails two signs, one that says this side

560
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: up and the other one says handle with care. He

561
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: nails them to the crate and then Wednesday May Paul,

562
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: John not Ringo, George and Ringo and they help Brian

563
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: get inside the crate. Brian nails himself in. How I'm sorry,

564
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: this just blows my mind. How do you end the

565
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: nails pointing through the wood on the outside one would

566
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: imagine is somebody on the outside hammering those down. Someone's like,

567
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: how did you hammer the nails from? Why did John

568
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: and Paul nail him in? Then they sent him on

569
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: a truck to the airport. They didn't even take it.

570
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: That's like, no, that's cold. It's like they wouldn't even

571
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: take it. He wouldn't take them to the airport. All right,

572
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: So let's let's take a break and chill out to

573
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: some ads. Bro I'm going to need a break this.

574
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: This is insane. When we come back, I'm gonna let

575
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: you know how Brian, King of the Plan fared in

576
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:27,479
Speaker 1: his new venture. Oh my god, Zaren. Oh those ads

577
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: were really good, right, Oh my god. I just wish

578
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: Brian could have hurt him because he would have bought everything.

579
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: They were like the palate cleansers that I needed. They

580
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: gave me pep in my step, zen curl in my hair.

581
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you today about trains. Hey,

582
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: my favorite subject. Where was I Brian? That's where I was.

583
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: So Brian hatched a plan to get home. Nailing and mailing. Yes,

584
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: brain genius, Brian Robson nails himself inside a crate well

585
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 1: in Australia, mails himself back to Wales. I just named

586
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: his crime nailing and mailing. Nail and mail Uh. He

587
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: was inspired by Remember Red Spears. Here's yeah, redg made

588
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: it and like later on, Brian tried to act like

589
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: he'd never heard of Red Spears at the time, but

590
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: he mentioned Red Spears right after the whole incident, so

591
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: it's like, come on, Brian, get it together. So something

592
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: to keep in mind about Red Spears is that his

593
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: crate was a much bigger than the one that Brian used.

594
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: I'm imagining Brian is in there like boxed up knees

595
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: by oh yeah completely Now Spears could stretch his legs

596
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: out when he was sitting. He had like a one

597
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: bedroom apartment. And he's smart. He made it so that

598
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: he could enter and exit the crates secretly, so like

599
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: he had hinges. He thought about what he was doing.

600
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: He could pop out for bio breaks during layover. He

601
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: didn't just have a bottle empty bottle bottle, Brian. Brian

602
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: nailed himself in their good planning, and he had the

603
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: hammer to I don't know unnail himself because the nails

604
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: are whatever, I'm not going to go and do it.

605
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: So apparently, like remember I told you the dimensions before

606
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 1: I forgot what they whatever. Here's the size of his crate.

607
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: Now there's It's been reported as three different sizes, but

608
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: this is probably the most likely because its ballpark close

609
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: enough for government work. Is I like to say, by

610
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: twenty six inches by thirty eight inches, Okay, so you

611
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: it's like half of medium sized dog crate. Like, okay,

612
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: that means if you're lying on your back, your knees

613
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: are on your chest. The entire time. You can't sit up,

614
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: you can't roll over, you can basically maybe get on

615
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: your side. Maybe maybe maybe, So May twelve, had he

616
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: tried doing this for twenty four hours before he decided,

617
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: or maybe even an hour had he gotten in the box.

618
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: He has a suitcase al right, I forgot about the suitcase, neede,

619
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: And then he's probably got all this stuff. How do

620
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: you open up the suitcase in there? Yeah? So May twelfth,

621
00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: ninety Irish pals John and Paul they helped him see

622
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: seal itself inside. I bet they were tickled as all hell.

623
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and so this is May twelve, he's going

624
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: to work, Yeah, get in the box? Were like that guy? Anyway,

625
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: May twelve they go. They make an agreement. If he

626
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: doesn't get to London by May seventeen, they're supposed to

627
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: call the airline and ask what happened? I sent a package?

628
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: Can you check it for me in five days? And

629
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's dead check. So they load him

630
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: on a quantas flight. He goes to Sydney and unfortunately

631
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: with his his I'm sorry, his cookies, his bottle of water,

632
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: pea bucket, suitcase and his dreams and light his flashlight

633
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: in his book of beatles lyrics. How can I forget

634
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: the book of reading? They don't pay attention to the

635
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: science that he's nailed batteries. I get the ideas in there,

636
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 1: probably not probably a crank one um despite the science

637
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: he nailed to the outside of the crate and Sydney

638
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: they set the crate upside down on the tarmac, the

639
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: signs that they couldn't see it. You know how long

640
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: he spent upside down twenty two hours? Two hours Like

641
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: I can't feel my feet, this is what I can't

642
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: feel my legs. This is what he wrote about it.

643
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: Quote my neck began to get extremely painful and a

644
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: headache set in. I tried to turn myself around and

645
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: into a sitting position, but with the lack of space

646
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: and my safety rope holding me in, it proved impossible.

647
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: He's like torture device. Got I'm strapped in there and

648
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 1: then quote as the hours ticked by, things were getting worse,

649
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: with my head feeling as if it would burst, and

650
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: my neck taking all my body weight, feeling that it

651
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: was about to snap. So like it's obviously it's cold

652
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: and windy in the cargo hold. That part so he's

653
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: the entire time too. Yeah, he's expecting to be put

654
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 1: on his to the UK with various stops. Of course,

655
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: that's right. Unbeknownst to him, the flight is full, so

656
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: they put him on a pan Am flight to London.

657
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: So the timelines off, Yeah, he writes quote. As the

658
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 1: drone of the engines went on and on, breathing became harder,

659
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: and I soon learned to suck the air in using short,

660
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: sharp gulps. That was a tongue to kidding me. Try

661
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: a little brists. So after about an hour in the air,

662
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: he's already like in crazy pains. Yes, yeah, he's half frozen.

663
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: He's going, I'm sorry, I'd be in pain after like

664
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 1: five minutes before, like the first five minutes in the crate,

665
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, my back, I ran out of water.

666
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: I would just kick my way out and be like

667
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: charge me. I don't care home. Um. So he spends

668
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: the next approximately four days in the air with various stops,

669
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: languages he does not recognized, urinating on himself himself. He's

670
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: eating all the biscuits. Um, so he writes quote, I

671
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: barely remembered the following landings or takeoffs. My whole body

672
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: was racked with indescribable pain, and my head was about

673
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: to burst open. I didn't know if I was too

674
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: hot or too cold, as it seemed to me that

675
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: my temperature was changing by the minute. I was beginning

676
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: to fall in and out of reality forgetting where I

677
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: was and what I was supposed to be doing. Oh,

678
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: he's just like having this weird rebreathing exercise. Don't forget

679
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: that the cargo hole doesn't pressurize exactly. He started between

680
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: life and death and an unpressurized cat and freezing half

681
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: to death, can't feel his feet, and he's going Am

682
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: I still Brian? Well? And he says He tells the

683
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: press later that during the last five or six hours

684
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: of his trip he thought he was going to die.

685
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: I'd say it was probably for the bulk of the

686
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: five days or whatever it was. Um, so it feels

687
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: like an eternity. Finally, the plane, the plane is landing

688
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: once again. He thinks, I've got to be in London

689
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: like this. I've been on this thing for yes, all this,

690
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: so he thinks he's going to die. He can't do

691
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: a two year stint on the railroad working on the railroad,

692
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: bro like your evaluation of what he can he can't do.

693
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: It's so he thinks he's in London. He's like, I

694
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: gotta get out of this crate. So he used, you know,

695
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,479
Speaker 1: whatever wherever I am. I'm pretty sure I'm in London,

696
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: but I gotta get out of this. Especially if I'm

697
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 1: in London, I gotta split, like, I can't be found

698
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: in this crate because God knows how long it'll take

699
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: to get up to Cardiff. So he thinks he's He

700
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: gets his flashlight and he wants to check his time

701
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: on his wristwatch. But him, it's going to tell him

702
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: it's too late for you. He wants to know what

703
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: time it is exactly. H So his limbs were so

704
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: frozen that all he managed to do is turn on

705
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: the flashlight then drop it. Oh god, So now it's

706
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: like sitting in that Sarah and Sarah close your eyes.

707
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, you have to okay, okay, wait one second,

708
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: close your eyes. Okay, I want you to picture it all.

709
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: You are working at l a X. Thank god, I'm

710
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: the one word. Los Angeles International Airport. Welcome to your nightmare.

711
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: I know you hate l a X, right, don't uh.

712
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: L X is a tough one because it's like, I

713
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: don't ever want to be there, but ironically I used

714
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: to go there for fun. Like it's understand no judgment,

715
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: no judgment will just let you keep going there. Um,

716
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 1: you've got a good gig unloading cargo at the airport.

717
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: The job schedule gives you plenty of time to pursue

718
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: your real passion in life, metal detecting the detector. That's right,

719
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: you are a detectress pretty much that in logging. So

720
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: that's it. That's your life. So you started out as

721
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: like a beach comber and you were finding shells and

722
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: sea glass. But one day you stumbled upon a rear

723
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: coin and you were hooked. So when you aren't at work,

724
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: you're out scanning the sands of local beaches. I can

725
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: barely fill my elbow anymore. You've helped surfers find their keys.

726
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: That actually did happen to me. I know you've stumbled

727
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: upon jewelry and artifacts. Thank you to that man who

728
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: found my key that morning. I don't know how it

729
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: would have got now. But here's the thing. You love

730
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: finding the unexpected. I do really do. So there you are,

731
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: your your day job, unloading cargo but even when you

732
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: aren't out there with the detector in hand, you still

733
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: have that detectorist instinct. I'm a super observer. So you

734
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: do you direct the forklift driver to move a crate

735
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: of vegemite over to the receiving docs. I feel like

736
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: in there, yeah, it's probably the forklift drive away and

737
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: you hear it coming. I knew it. Yeah, something's in there.

738
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: You look over into the dim cargo area to your

739
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 1: right and you see a light. It's coming from one

740
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: of the crates. That's not right now, this is most unusual, saren.

741
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 1: So you call over. You call over your coworker, Gary Hatch,

742
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: come on over here, Garbet. You motioned to the light

743
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: coming through the slats. You're like, look, Garbet, does that

744
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: give you a scare? It's it's magic. Um. Gary goes

745
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: over and he like peeks into the crazy there's a

746
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: guy in there. He excited about. He's like, there's a guy.

747
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 1: There's a guy in there. Are you gonna do with them?

748
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: So you both peeking through the slats and you watch

749
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: silently and you're like, how did a dead body get

750
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,479
Speaker 1: in this crate? But there's light in it. Then Brian

751
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: coughs he's alive. So you and the rest of the

752
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: cargo crew area, like you all rip open the crate

753
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: and you loved him out cutting her hands on the

754
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: nail ends. Oh yeah, well then you like see a hammer,

755
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: you borrow his hammer. Um, so you said, if I

756
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: use that made he's a rule. You set him down

757
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: on the ground and you try and straighten out his legs,

758
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 1: but they keep folding back up into his chest. He's

759
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: like a broken murphy Man. So in like when people

760
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 1: hold your arms down for like Brian Brian. In total,

761
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: Brian had been in the crate for about five and

762
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: a half days, and that's way longer than the thirty

763
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 1: six to forty eight hours he expected my chiropractor would

764
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: not recommend. Pretty soon, FBI airport security, l A p D,

765
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: officials from PanAm and American Airlines, and an ambulance and

766
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: the press. They all arrived all at once, big car pool. Yeah,

767
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: Brian gets transported to the prison ward of l A

768
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: County General Hospital and then a few days after he's

769
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: like an IRA bomber like which I don't know what

770
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: they're just like, this is shady. This has got to

771
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: be breaking some sort of County General and we'll see,

772
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: we'll deal with him when he can, when we can

773
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: unfold him. So they give him like a few days

774
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: of physical therapy of just rubbing on him, and then

775
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 1: he's able to move his limbs again, and then after that,

776
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 1: like a few days later, then he can he's able

777
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: to speak. This whole time, he's just like he's just

778
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: chattering teeth. All he does is chattered teeth, and they're

779
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: trying to see if it's like morse code. Um. He

780
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 1: gets questioned by the FBI. They're like, oh, he can talk,

781
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 1: get in there. Um. He was like, you guys, I'm

782
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: not a spy. They're like, we on believe you. You

783
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: are a more on what spy on God's Green Earth

784
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: would do this? No, And then they swattered him with

785
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: the newspaper. Um, like come on. So he does a

786
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: series of interviews for the press. He also does a

787
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: joint interview with his very surprised parents in Wales via satellite.

788
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: But that he exist. Um, he tells the press he

789
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: feels terrible about this whole thing, and he said he

790
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: intend to repay the airlines for his trip and did

791
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: they take a check a So the press like picks

792
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: up the story right, The Australian government announces that because

793
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 1: of his quote unsatisfactory record in Australia, it had already

794
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: been decided to quote offer him free transportation to Wales.

795
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: He left before learning of the decision. So again, first

796
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: he tries, he misses his deportations, and then they're like,

797
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: you know what you are, just you are a drain

798
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: on us. Let's make he's nailed himself into a box.

799
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: So Brian said that the FBI told him it was

800
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: up to PanAm, who was obligated to deal with him,

801
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: to decide if they were going to send him back

802
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: to Australia or if they're going to fly him to London.

803
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: Australia is like no, no, no, no no, no no no

804
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: no no no no no, sorry, we're closed. Um. So

805
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 1: fortunately Panam's like, well, we'll take him to London. According

806
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: to Brian, the FBI agent asked him to reenact learning

807
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 1: he was headed home at a press conference and then

808
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: thank the FBI publicly for their work. They're like, let's

809
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: take it from the top. Okay, places, places, and Brian,

810
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: you're excited. Go So Brian, wait, what's your motivation? Remember

811
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: he's get home, Get home, don't like it. Get home.

812
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: Brian gets to London May eighteenth, nineteen sixty five on

813
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: a first class ticket. Finally, Yeah, and you know what

814
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: he didn't have though his luggage a passport because he

815
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: was never issued a passport in the first place. To

816
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: go to Australia, they gave him an Australian I D Card.

817
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: So when he went from England to Australia, no passport. Yeah,

818
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: no papers. So he gets to London no passport. The

819
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: immigration officials asked him what he said, quote four or

820
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: five questions such as where I was born? What color

821
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: were the busses in Cardiff? And how I got from

822
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: place A to place basing question? What color the buses

823
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: in Cardiff? Yeah? And he was like, I don't know, dude.

824
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: He drove him. He just guessed and he guessed right.

825
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: So he was let in. Um. Some Australian officials wanted

826
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: to proceed with legal action against him, but he was

827
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: never charged with anything. Again, they're like, you're wasting our

828
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: time and money. You're you're the UK's problem. Now, how

829
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: are they punishing worse than him being in a box

830
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: for five He's going to punish himself, right, He's covered.

831
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: So guess what, he gets his old job as a

832
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: bus conductor back and this guy back. But he ends

833
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: up quitting because he quote got fed up with the

834
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: passengers asking him if he was quote that bloke from Australia.

835
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: Does Brian just not like work like? So he told

836
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: CNN in one that after he returned to Wales, do

837
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: you say this was five strap in it? Get stay?

838
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,959
Speaker 1: So he still still talking about it. So he said

839
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Speaker 1: that after he got back to Wales, he did go

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Speaker 1: on to have quote a family and lead a quiet

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Speaker 1: and happy life in the UK, so whatever, he pulled

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Speaker 1: it together. He said that when he got back to

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Speaker 1: Wales he wrote to John and Paul, but they never

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Speaker 1: got a response as he did send it to exactly.

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Speaker 1: So Brian published the grate Escape in one. That's why

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Speaker 1: he was on CNN lots of media attention. The Irish

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Speaker 1: Times did a big piece on it and they mentioned

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Speaker 1: that Brian was still looking for his Irish pals. Guess what,

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Speaker 1: no one, No one showed up kidding one of them surfaced.

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Speaker 1: We don't know which one because he wanted to remain anonymous.

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Speaker 1: Paul wet so he said John or Paul. They never

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Speaker 1: received any letters or so they say. Let's say they're

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Speaker 1: telling the truth. Anyway. One of the guys emailed Brian

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Speaker 1: after seeing all the media coverage and thrilled. He's also

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Speaker 1: a little skeptical, so he pulls u customs on him.

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Speaker 1: He asked him three questions that only he or that

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Speaker 1: only John or Paul would know. He got all three right,

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Speaker 1: added even more insider intel. Do you know what the questions?

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Speaker 1: The questions where is the mole on my body? What

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Speaker 1: is my favorite job? I've quit? So he's like, what

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Speaker 1: happened at the at the hostel? Yeah? What did the

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Speaker 1: hostel smell? Like? Two words are less? So um, he

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Speaker 1: gets it all right, right. So it turns out that

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Speaker 1: the Irishman had moved back to Ireland a few years

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Speaker 1: after Brian's escapade. M His family knew about his involvement,

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Speaker 1: like his wife, kids, grandkids. They knew that he was

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Speaker 1: he was the Great Hammer, but he swore them all

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Speaker 1: the secrecy. So apparently John and Paul were really spooked

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Speaker 1: by Brian getting caught and they were terrified that they'd

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Speaker 1: be brought in as accomplices, so they said they even

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Speaker 1: moved so that they wouldn't have the same addresses, and

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Speaker 1: that's why they didn't get the less. It doesn't add up.

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Speaker 1: Are they worried about human trafficking? Well, here's the thing,

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Speaker 1: Brian's really didn't get in trouble and it was like

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Speaker 1: a media sensation that is going to bring me to

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Speaker 1: a piece of pure speculation on my part. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: love pure Elizabeth specular, John and Paul running guns for

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Speaker 1: the IRA. That's where you go with, Well, it's a

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00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: very facile and predictable conclusion right the times. It fits

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00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: the times, fits the times. And you know, just because

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Speaker 1: they're Irish doesn't mean they were involved with the Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but maybe I mean looks like I don't know the

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Speaker 1: whole thing. It just doesn't add up, So whatever, who cares?

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Speaker 1: He found one of them, So he finds one guy.

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00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: Brian finds one guy, and that guy promises to try

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Speaker 1: and track down the other. But he didn't know where

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00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: he could be. Australia, Ireland, Hollywood. There are a lot

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00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: of holes here people. Zarin just doesn't really make close.

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00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: But I'd like to bring out some thing though. So

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00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: here's Brian. He has a plan to move to another

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00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: country and start a new life. Doesn't like it. He

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00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: has a plan to mail himself home. Doesn't work out,

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Speaker 1: and he doesn't like it. He becomes a temporary celebrity

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00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: thanks to his antics. Doesn't like it, waits decades to

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Speaker 1: find his old pal. Doesn't like it when he can't,

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Speaker 1: Uh publishes a book about his exploits and gains temporary

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Speaker 1: fame once again. Doesn't like it because he told the

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Speaker 1: Irish Times quote to be honest, I'd like it to

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Speaker 1: stop now the newspapers and interviews and get back to

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Speaker 1: my normal, boring existence and perhaps go to the premiere

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Speaker 1: of the movie. Then why did you write the book

902
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:46,479
Speaker 1: the premiere of the movie? He's working. I can't believe

903
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,479
Speaker 1: they made that movie, and now everyone's bothering me about it. Yeah,

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00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: why did you write a book if you don't want to?

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00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: So he's working with a film production company on a

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Speaker 1: project based on the book, and there's an article on

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Speaker 1: Irish central dot com about Brian reuniting with the one pal.

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Speaker 1: They provided his email address for anyone with information about

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Speaker 1: the second contact. Should I read it out? He says

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Speaker 1: at the end of the article. And this is like

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00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: anyone can find it on the internet. I am not

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Speaker 1: doxing this guy and steal this address. Maybe no, I

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Speaker 1: didn't quote. The friends or their relatives can contact Mr

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Speaker 1: Robson at Brian pms at hotmail dot com. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what the p MS is, you know. Um, so

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Speaker 1: that's where we are. What's her ridiculous takeaway? Oh you

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Speaker 1: can't do that to me. I would like to start

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Speaker 1: with my first which is trains. There weren't enough trains

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Speaker 1: in the And secondly, oh man, this guy is the best.

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Speaker 1: Like he's one of those people that is like, um,

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Speaker 1: they're dissatisfied and then they are like they go and

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00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: they try something else and they're just satisfied, and then

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Speaker 1: they go and they're disatisfied again. They keep doing this right,

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00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: and you're like, maybe you should just stop and realize

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00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: you'll never be satisfied and now you can do whatever

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Speaker 1: you want. Oh and you'll never be exactly because otherwise

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Speaker 1: Brian just always be like, you know, this is my

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Speaker 1: new idea and it's whatever the last person he talked to,

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Speaker 1: or like that sounds like the new thing for me.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, do you see the problem here? You're so

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Speaker 1: simple you could just fool yourself. You don't need to

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Speaker 1: invite others to fool. You just tell yourself, I love

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Speaker 1: whatever it is that you're doing, and never I think

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Speaker 1: this just drives home the importance of thinking things through.

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Speaker 1: Like we've talked about how criminals wind up on this

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Speaker 1: show because they don't think things through. They thought about

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Speaker 1: the crime itself, but not the ramifications. It's Brian, but

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Speaker 1: like with everything, not just the crime. He's all impulse,

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Speaker 1: no planning. I don't even I'm not even convinced that

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Speaker 1: he knows he's doing crimes. He's just trying to live,

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Speaker 1: trying to be Brian. Brian's going to Brian. I mean,

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Speaker 1: but you know what, the big brains and Brian, don't

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Speaker 1: be like Brian. That's my takeaway. So we don't be like,

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Speaker 1: don't like okay, and that's it. That's that's our moral

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Speaker 1: of the story. You can find us online Ridiculous I'm

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Speaker 1: on both Twitter, where the discourse is robust and entertaining,

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Speaker 1: and Instagram, where we post photos to supplement each episode

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Speaker 1: and put silly references in the stories. Email us if

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Speaker 1: you want to at Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com,

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Speaker 1: or you can email Brian at Bryan tms at hotmail

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Speaker 1: dot com. Tell them about no don't tell them about this.

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Speaker 1: This is our secret tune in next time. Ridiculous Crime

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Speaker 1: is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zarin Burnett, produced and

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Speaker 1: edited by cargo chief and unwitting human trafficker Dave Kusten.

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Speaker 1: Researches by Victoria Rail Vice President of Logistics Marissa Brown.

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Speaker 1: The theme song is by Crafty Gun runners Thomas Lee

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Speaker 1: and Travis Dutton. Executive producers are Hardened Customs agents Ben

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Speaker 1: Bolan and Noel Brown. Say it one more time, we

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