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Speaker 1: Welcome one and all to the Heny Territory Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Sean Colman. Hope wherever you are and wherever

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Speaker 1: you are listening, you are having, Hey, once again, a

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Speaker 1: great start to your week. Hope if I didn't say

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Speaker 1: it yesterday, hope that you and your family had a

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Speaker 1: great fourth, good long weekend and everything. And hey, if

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Speaker 1: you didn't turn tune into Braze Baseball, that probably was

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Speaker 1: a wise decision because we're coming to you on Tuesday night.

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Speaker 1: It's about ten forty five Central, eleven forty five Eastern.

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Speaker 1: The Braves are still in the midst of their game

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Speaker 1: in Sacramento right now against the A's and if you

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Speaker 1: can tell it's not going well, the Braids are right

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Speaker 1: now getting blown out by the A's. Hey, Eli White

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Speaker 1: just hit a home run. So we decided to come

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Speaker 1: to you to talk about some relevant topics that are there.

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Speaker 1: It's unfortunate we can't talk about the game, but we're

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Speaker 1: here to still cover all things brazen with me as always,

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Speaker 1: it is Stephen Twart. Stephen, good talk with you again man,

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Speaker 1: a long time. No see we suck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we suck. You know. We did that show yesterday

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Speaker 2: which was putting aside the negativity to celebrate a couple

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Speaker 2: of the all star seasons that the Braves had, and

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Speaker 2: it took less than twenty four hours, or maybe just

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Speaker 2: over twenty four hours, less than thirty hours to just

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Speaker 2: be sucked right back into the mud of just the

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Speaker 2: nonsense that is the twenty twenty five baseball season. Brays

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Speaker 2: go out to Sacramento. They're playing the Sacramento A's, and

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Speaker 2: I mean they're just getting bludgeoned. I mean just getting

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Speaker 2: we were going to do a show after the game ended.

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Speaker 2: The game ended in the second inning, as it were.

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Speaker 2: So we're doing a show now. And yeah, we've got

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Speaker 2: some topics. I've got some thoughts on how this, how

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Speaker 2: this team and this roster is being managed at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, we'll get into that in moment. But of course, yes,

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Speaker 1: the Braves right now are getting blown out in Sacramento.

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Speaker 1: If something were to occur by a miracle, we'll certainly

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Speaker 1: switch to that. Don't expect that, though. But let's get

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Speaker 1: to the most relevant topic, most important topic that has

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Speaker 1: occurred today, and of course centers on Ronald Acunya Junior. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you go back to I believe it was Sunday,

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Speaker 1: Yes Sunday, the Braves were playing against the Orioles and

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Speaker 1: and we noticed that both Ronald Acuna Junior as well

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Speaker 1: as Marcelo Zuna were given the day off, and it

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Speaker 1: to get to day out for a while, but Ronald's

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Speaker 1: was initially in the starting lineup, but I think about

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Speaker 1: forty five minutes or so before the game he was

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Speaker 1: course he was not in the lineup. Stephen, it seems

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Speaker 1: to me as if it's not necessarily that much of

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Speaker 1: a concern. We haven't received any further word. It's probably

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Speaker 1: more precautionary, which you want to be with Ronald right now,

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Speaker 1: with this being a loss season and of course him

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Speaker 1: already having experienced injury issues coming into the year. But

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Speaker 1: it's what it could mean in terms of the next

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Speaker 1: week or so that kind of you know, makes you

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Speaker 1: a bit concern. What are your initial thoughts, you know,

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Speaker 1: when you saw that Ronald was sending out this game

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Speaker 1: a late scratch due to lower back tightness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so obviously he was given the day off on Sunday,

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Speaker 2: and he was slumping. I did Scott and I did

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Speaker 2: clearly healthy. I will say they just had a five

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Speaker 2: Ronald has, just give him the day off, like there's

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Speaker 2: no there's absolutely no reason to push it. I know

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Speaker 2: people you know, are concerned about the All Star Game,

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Speaker 2: about the home run Derby. I'm I'm excited about those things.

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Speaker 2: I want Ronald to participate in those things, but if

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Speaker 2: health is so much more important. So even if it's

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Speaker 2: it doesn't and it doesn't matter. I mean, the season's over.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, any kind of discomfort, any kind of minor energy,

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Speaker 2: in minor injury that he has, uh, you know, discretion

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean I'm not someone that I would

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Speaker 1: get I don't consider myself to be pro tanking, but

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Speaker 1: in a lost season for a franchise that definitely could

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Speaker 1: use as much of an infusion of young talent into

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Speaker 1: as it can get Listen, losses are a valuable thing,

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Speaker 1: right now. That's that's just the truth. I Mean, again,

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Speaker 1: I'm not pro tanking, but I'm also not going to

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Speaker 1: deny common sense and so that, but I think that

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Speaker 1: that is something that should clearly stand out when you

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Speaker 1: have you know, you talk about wrong, you talk about

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Speaker 1: Chris Sale, Spencer swelling back, even Spencer, Strider, Matt Olsen,

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Speaker 1: the focus. If they're in any way, shape or form,

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Speaker 1: is any concern, especially health related, you take the precaution,

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Speaker 1: You take the necessary steps to ensure whatever you're concerned

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Speaker 1: about does it become something bigger. And I think the

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Speaker 1: Praiers are smart for doing that. Rare that they're showing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Scott and I talked about this as well,

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Speaker 2: like at some point we're gonna have these conversations about

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Speaker 2: do you want to push them, like, Yeah, this is

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Speaker 2: So yeah, conservative is the way to go in terms

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I agree completely. And of course, you know,

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Speaker 1: we've talked about enough. Underperformance certainly has been the overall,

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Speaker 1: make sure none of these guys experienced something that could

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Speaker 1: impact their twenty twenty six seasons. But as Steven mentioned,

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Speaker 1: we do want to get into some discussion, not necessarily

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Speaker 1: about tonight's game, but kind of the management of Didi

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Speaker 2: got their eyes closed and their foot you know, the

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Speaker 2: I don't want to. I mean, you know, it's just

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Speaker 2: let's be smarter about this. We could be smarter.

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Speaker 1: About this, And of course you can expand this discussion

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Speaker 1: further away from the starting rotation to the bullpen, and

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Speaker 1: me and Steven are going to discuss that in the moment,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily getting into specifics, but I do think that

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Speaker 1: So Stephen, as we turn to you know again this

469
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Speaker 1: being a lost season tonight once again, you know, continuing

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Speaker 1: the downwards file, the spiral that the Braves have been

471
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Speaker 1: in recent weeks, the focus turns to the fact that

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Speaker 1: for the rest of July, again, we have some pretty

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Speaker 1: monumental things that are going on for this Braves team,

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Speaker 1: you know, talking about you know the fact that we've

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Speaker 1: got the All Star game coming up in Atlanta. Wish

476
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Speaker 1: it was under better circumstances, but it still has the chance,

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Speaker 1: especially if RONOCD. Couga Junior is available, to be really fun.

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Speaker 1: You've got the MLB Draft, which now has more significance

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Speaker 1: for this Braves team. They've been many likely anticipated coming

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Speaker 1: into this season. And then you've got the trade deadline.

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Speaker 1: And I will discuss plenty of specifics about the trade

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Speaker 1: deadline in the coming weeks, but Stephen, I want to

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Speaker 1: ask you a general question when it comes to the

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Speaker 1: Braves when we're talking about focusing on twenty twenty six

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Speaker 1: and beyond, when it comes to their bullpen. Obviously, the

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Speaker 1: fact that the Braves had did not spend a lot

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Speaker 1: of their bullpen coming into the season, that was a

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Speaker 1: big topic of discussion. Early in the season. It clearly

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Speaker 1: showed because the bullpen was struggling. But over the past month,

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Speaker 1: this bullpen has arguably been the best in baseball. And

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Speaker 1: I know that some immediately want to say, oh, what

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Speaker 1: it's because they haven't pitched that much. Well, they're still

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Speaker 1: as a unit second in f War over the past

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Speaker 1: month among all bullpen units in baseball, so the quality

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Speaker 1: has certainly been there. So Steve and I ask you this,

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Speaker 1: we talk about what the Braves could sell potentially at

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Speaker 1: the trade deadline. We mentioned by Selli, Glacias, Pierce Johnson

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Speaker 1: and Johnson, Aaron Bummer. Some of these guys could have value,

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Speaker 1: especially with how they've been performing as of late. But

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Speaker 1: on the flip side of things, you want to talk

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Speaker 1: about the fact that this Braves team wants to contend,

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Speaker 1: and especially Johnson and Bumber, Dylan Lee, those guys are

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Speaker 1: controlled into next year. Where are you in terms of

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Speaker 1: the bullpen?

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Speaker 6: I know it may make sense to sell what value

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Speaker 6: that you have, especially when it comes to the bullpen

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Speaker 6: and that being you know, a source of volatility. But

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Speaker 6: I'm kind of also like, you know what, if that's

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Speaker 6: the case, we could still go into twenty twenty six

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Speaker 6: with a really strong pitching staff, including those bullpen guys

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Speaker 6: that I mentioned. Where do you stand as far as

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Speaker 6: the bullpen goes, especially with their performances of late.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So.

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Speaker 2: The Braves are going to be selling, obviously, and a

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Speaker 2: lot of it comes down to the offers, and that's

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Speaker 2: that's a part of the equation. We never know, right,

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Speaker 2: we don't know what the Braves get offered. If it

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Speaker 2: were me, if I were in charge, I would set

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Speaker 2: my sights on some decent prospects as a return for

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Speaker 2: Bummer for Johnson, maybe not Aglacias, although Glaciers has been better.

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Speaker 2: I would actually probably try to eat some of the

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Speaker 2: money that Aglesius is owed the rest of the year

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Speaker 2: to try to improve the prospect. And I would set

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Speaker 2: my sights on that on whatever level prospect you think

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Speaker 2: you can get, and if I get that offer or better,

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Speaker 2: I pull the trigger. Because my thing with relievers has

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Speaker 2: kind of always been if they're good and healthy. Now,

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Speaker 2: the chances of them being both good and healthy again

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Speaker 2: next year aren't great. And that's just how relievers work, right,

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Speaker 2: I Mean, we saw last year Iglesias and Jimenez were

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Speaker 2: two of the best believers in baseball. This year, one

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Speaker 2: of them got hurt and one of them was bad

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Speaker 2: for you know, two or three months. That's just how

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Speaker 2: relievers work. So it's good to get value when you can.

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Speaker 2: It's also always important to remember at the trade deadline,

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Speaker 2: especially now with expanded playoffs, there's just so many buyers

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Speaker 2: and so few sellers that you're gonna have a chance

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Speaker 2: to get value just simply out of supply and demand.

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Speaker 2: There's just not that many good relievers available on bad teams.

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Speaker 2: The Braves are one of the few bad teams that

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Speaker 2: have good relievers. Everybody in baseball, you know, if you

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Speaker 2: need a if you have a left fielder for sale,

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Speaker 2: there might only be one or two teams that needs

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Speaker 2: a left fielder. If you have a shortstop for sale,

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Speaker 2: there might only be one or two teams that need

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Speaker 2: a short stop. When you have bullpen pieces for sale,

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Speaker 2: every single contending team wants more bullpen help, especially into

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Speaker 2: the playoffs, where bullpens just get used so much more.

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Speaker 2: So that's my logic, is that they've had good years,

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Speaker 2: they're used in high leverage. At least in Iglacias and

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Speaker 2: Pierce Johnson's case, they have control into next year for

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Speaker 2: Pierce Johnson and Aaron Bummer, so it's not just a rental.

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Speaker 2: There's so few sellers. Everybody needs bullpen help. Like there's

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Speaker 2: a decent chance you can get a decent prospect, And

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Speaker 2: that's what I would set my sights on. Now, we'll

556
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Speaker 2: never know what the offers are. The offers might just

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Speaker 2: be shit, and so Alex is like, all right, I'm

558
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Speaker 2: gonna keep him and we'll never know that. So that's

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Speaker 2: where it gets tough to evaluate from our perspective and

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Speaker 2: to still maintain, you know, a fairness about it. We

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Speaker 2: don't want to be unfair about it. So but in general,

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Speaker 2: that's my philosophy. Set your sights on a decent return

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Speaker 2: and if you get it, pull the trigger. And if

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Speaker 2: you you know, obviously they want to contend next year,

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Speaker 2: But you can build a bull I've said this before.

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Speaker 2: You can build a bullpen in the off season.

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Speaker 1: Like I don't know.

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Speaker 2: If I would be thinking about, Like I think I

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Speaker 2: would hold on to Dylan Lee because I think Dylan

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Speaker 2: Lee could just be the closer next year. He's that good.

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Speaker 2: And I would probably hold on to Day's belt just

572
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Speaker 2: because his value is not that high because it's been

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Speaker 2: hurt most of the year. See if you can get

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Speaker 2: him a bounce back next year. So you can like

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Speaker 2: start next year's bullpen with Dylan Lee, Dasbon Hernandez, a

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Speaker 2: couple of the young guys. Again, you're gonna be getting

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Speaker 2: prospects back in these trades. You could, you know, you

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Speaker 2: could put your eye on some relievers you like in

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Speaker 2: other organizations. There's ways to do it. But that's my

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Speaker 2: general That's how I would generally approach it.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing that kind of goes into that equation,

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Speaker 1: you know, building upon kind of the you know, general philosophy.

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Speaker 1: So you're basically kind of and I get it, you're

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Speaker 1: basically kind of in the uh in the thought process

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Speaker 1: of if you can get value for these relievers, go

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Speaker 1: ahead and as you mentioned, pull the trigger and eat

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Speaker 1: that value and see if you can boosh your minor

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Speaker 1: league system a little bit. One other thing though, that

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Speaker 1: I think kind of goes along with your train of

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Speaker 1: thought is that the Braves also have some intriguing arms

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Speaker 1: that they could bring to the major league level. Who

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Speaker 1: could build the spots of these guys and you could

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Speaker 1: see what they could do at the major league level

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Speaker 1: to see if they could be a part of next

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Speaker 1: year's bullpen in future bullpens. You know, earlier this year,

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Speaker 1: me and you talked about the fact that they haven't

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Speaker 1: really had a lot of success bringing up arms for

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Speaker 1: their bullpen, you know, that developed in their own minor

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Speaker 1: league system. John Carlos, Laura Hayden, Harris. I think there's

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Speaker 1: a few other guys who have been promoted recently. It

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Speaker 1: kind of is is a bit of a one to

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Speaker 1: eighty from when we're talking about you know, don't push starters,

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Speaker 1: but hey, give your bullpen guys a chance to see

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Speaker 1: what they could show at the major league level. But

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Speaker 1: the reason why you want to do that is because

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the bullpen overall, you want to

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Speaker 1: give them a taste of the big leagues to see

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Speaker 1: if they can thrive, because some of these guys could

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Speaker 1: really be valuable not only next year but beyond. So

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Speaker 1: the fact that the Braves have some intriguing young arms

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Speaker 1: that can step right into the spot that a guy

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Speaker 1: that's traded left void, I think that could add to

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Speaker 1: the equation. And we could see some intriguing arms up

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta to see if they can stick long term.

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Speaker 2: And one guy I always forget to mention when we

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Speaker 2: talk about this is Dela Santos, who's very quietly had

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Speaker 2: a good year, throws hard, has been a high leverage

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Speaker 2: reliever in the past, has been on some good teams

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Speaker 2: in the past. You know, he's not gonna bring anything

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Speaker 2: crazy back, but I was just just double checking and

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Speaker 2: make sure I had my numbers right. He's got an era,

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Speaker 2: he's got a three six era and a three to

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Speaker 2: one nine fip this season, Like, there are teams that

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Speaker 2: would gladly add that to their bullpen. So the Braves

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Speaker 2: have like three or four guys that they could potentially

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Speaker 2: move and get something for. So yeah, and like you said,

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Speaker 2: they could do a two month tryout for August and

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Speaker 2: September of some of these young guys who've got potential,

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Speaker 2: And that's the way I would go. I understand the

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Speaker 2: logic behind you want to keep all these guys and

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Speaker 2: contend next year. But that's just not how bullpens. Bullpens

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Speaker 2: don't work the same way rotations and lineups work. You

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Speaker 2: can't apply the same logic. The volatility of a bullpen

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Speaker 2: is so much higher, and therefore the equation is so

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Speaker 2: much different, and so you have to kind of treat

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Speaker 2: it as its own separate entity entity and extract value

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Speaker 2: when you can. And one of the best times to

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Speaker 2: extract value from believers is being a seller at the

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Speaker 2: trade deadline. And that's really the only advantage of being

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Speaker 2: in the Braves position right now is they're one of

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Speaker 2: the few true sellers with actual bullpen pieces to sell.

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Speaker 2: That puts you in an advantageous position and you need

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Speaker 2: to take advantage of that when you have a farm

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Speaker 2: system that we've talked about, a lot that needs help,

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Speaker 2: and quite frankly a major league team that needs help.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's just the way I would approach it.

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Speaker 1: Man, if there's anyone that knows the value that can

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Speaker 1: come from adding quality believers at the deadline, that's alex Entthopoulos.

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Speaker 1: He's shown the ability to consistently do that, maybe more

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Speaker 1: I'll mentioned also is this, Stephen, is that you know,

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Speaker 1: the potential of bringing up a drigging arms, seeing what

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Speaker 1: they could do in the bullpen. I also think that

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Speaker 1: like out there on the market, you still can be

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Speaker 1: in the mold to potentially buy for twenty twenty six

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Speaker 1: and beyond. You Simply, I don't necessarily am not talking

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Speaker 1: about like a three or four team trade. But you

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Speaker 1: sell a Pis Johnson, you sell an Aaron Bummer right,

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Speaker 1: sell Iglesias now, and then you could take some of

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Speaker 1: that prospect capital that you get back and turn it

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Speaker 1: right around to go get a guy that you like

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six and beyond. So that's the other thing

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Speaker 1: that's I'm not looking to sit here and shuffle deck

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Speaker 1: chairs on the boat or anything like that. I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying that that's another route that you can go. So

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Speaker 1: to your point, while yes, it is good to see

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Speaker 1: the brace bullpen doing well, you would love them for

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Speaker 1: that to be a strength going into next year, I

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Speaker 1: still think you're likely going to get more value out

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Speaker 1: of moving the sensible pieces that make sense because you

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Speaker 1: have options that you can go with to be able

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Speaker 1: even better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a good point that you bring up

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Speaker 2: that there are teams, there are bad teams that buy

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Speaker 2: at the deadline just to get a piece for next year,

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Speaker 2: and you can do that. There's nothing wrong with that.

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Speaker 2: You're obviously not buying any rentals, but like, if you

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Speaker 2: get an opportunity to go get somebody that's got control

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Speaker 2: that you like on next year's team, absolutely it would

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Speaker 2: not surprise me. You know, if the Braves did that

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Speaker 2: at some position, if they did it at second base,

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Speaker 2: maybe you know, maybe they're again, we're gonna have plenty

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Speaker 2: of time to talk about Ozzie and where the Braves

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Speaker 2: go position by position, but like if they're looking for

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Speaker 2: maybe a different look there, like and if if a

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Speaker 2: guy comes available and a deal makes sense, maybe for

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Speaker 2: Pierce Johnson. You know, that would not stun me, and

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Speaker 2: it shouldn't stun anybody. Like. That's a real thing where

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Speaker 2: bad teams still do buy at the deadline, just not

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Speaker 2: for twenty twenty five, but for you know, twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: six and beyond.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And so like I say, plenty more discussion when

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Speaker 1: it comes to what all will go into the bravestock

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Speaker 1: process when it comes to the two thousand and twenty

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Speaker 1: five MLB trade deadline. But that is the thing about it,

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Speaker 1: is that we want to make sure that you're gonna

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Speaker 1: the MLB Draft. We're gonna have some guests who are

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Speaker 1: everything when it comes to the MLB Draft. Also focused

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Speaker 1: on next year, which could be the most significant draft

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Speaker 1: that we see from a Braves perspective in quite a while,

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Speaker 1: and of course the trade deadline. You can find Stephen

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