Speaker 1: I took the courses, but I still am not confident
Speaker 1: in my ability to heim lick my own child.
Speaker 2: You're not supposed to. I don't think you're supposed to
Speaker 2: him like a baby. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: You see how much you see how fucked up i'd
Speaker 3: be at it.
Speaker 1: Is there a baby heimlick where you put them on
Speaker 1: their back and like put that, you put them over,
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not the same as.
Speaker 3: Like, it's not the hime lick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, crack some ribs, Jack Yeah's birthday.
Speaker 3: I'm doing once, no, no.
Speaker 1: I got one under each arm. I'm doing two of them.
Speaker 1: Chicken flap, doing the chicken dance. Bring me your baby.
Speaker 2: The doctors like, luckily that sick man only bruised your
Speaker 2: child's ribs.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Where your child also wasn't choking. Oh yeah, Hello the Internet,
Speaker 1: and welcome to season three, fifty five, Episode two of
Speaker 1: der Day's I Guy You Say, production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 3: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive.
Speaker 1: Into America's sheer consciousness. And it is Tuesday, September tenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Never forget, Never forget tomorrow. Yeah, don't stop forgetting tomorrow.
Speaker 2: It's hey, Jack, oh shit, I feel like this happens
Speaker 2: every time, and I think of you. It's National ants
Speaker 2: on a Log Day. Hey, my little boy's home and
Speaker 2: his tumb thumb's grumbling. Better make them some ants on
Speaker 2: a log fun. Also, wow, we were just talking about
Speaker 2: Swanson's Frozen Dinners.
Speaker 3: It's National TV.
Speaker 2: Dinner Day and also no National Swap Ideas Day. But
Speaker 2: the picture of this looks like a white guy talking
Speaker 2: to a black woman who is like, man's planning something
Speaker 2: to her, And it almost looks like when a coworker
Speaker 2: steals your idea.
Speaker 3: Right, Hey, let's swap those Thanks so much for coming.
Speaker 2: Is it cool if I mentioned that in All Hands Tomorrow,
Speaker 2: cool swap with you on that, I'll say it came.
Speaker 3: From our team. It came from our team. Came from
Speaker 3: our team.
Speaker 2: But you know it's me. It's me anyway. But national
Speaker 2: ants on a log is it? It's always celery peanut
Speaker 2: butter with raisins, that's always I think.
Speaker 3: So we've had red ants on a log with crazy?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 2: Oh? Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: In my mind, I'm like, what the fuck are you
Speaker 2: talking about?
Speaker 1: Because for some reason, like we we just can't keep
Speaker 1: raisins in this household. We're just always running out.
Speaker 2: Of Are your kids a little raisin freaks?
Speaker 1: I guess the little raisin They don't do a lot
Speaker 1: of like sugar, so like that's a treat for them.
Speaker 1: Like they're sneaking raisins.
Speaker 2: They're just spiking their blood sugar with it. Just a
Speaker 2: half pounds of raisins at a time.
Speaker 1: All right, they still got the little down with some choco.
Speaker 2: But are they still in the mini paper boxes, the
Speaker 2: little sun made ones? Do they still sell those?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the ones for the school lunch. Yeah, but we
Speaker 1: just get the big, big honker, big giant guy. Wow.
Speaker 4: Yo.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm realizing. I think I hate raisins
Speaker 2: because it was always given to me as a candy substitute.
Speaker 2: Now that I just had this visceral memory of my grandmother,
Speaker 2: like she used to spoil me a lot, but whenever
Speaker 2: she would make cookies with raisins, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I would have a fucking meltdown.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, how would you do this to me, grandma?
Speaker 1: Because it tricks you into think it it's chocolate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because exactly, and then you're like this shit is
Speaker 2: too what's.
Speaker 3: Fucking furious right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whereas me, I'm like, this is what you get
Speaker 1: instead of a meal, So then you know they have
Speaker 1: a more positive ye relationship to Raisins. Anyways, my name
Speaker 1: is Jack O'Brien, aka the soup Coock, famous Supercock Jack O'Brien.
Speaker 1: That one courtesy of Blake Wexler. He tacked that on
Speaker 1: our Instagram video. We're we're doing video now, folks, a
Speaker 1: little quick tease of some video you can check on
Speaker 1: our Instagram. I'm thrilled to be joined as always by
Speaker 1: my co host, mister Miles Gras.
Speaker 2: It's mister Miles Gray.
Speaker 3: Just just hanging you.
Speaker 2: Know, I'm just being a Star Wars outlaw, So just
Speaker 2: call me Ves Gray or Kate. I forget what the
Speaker 2: characters are. Your name called it is today, but my
Speaker 2: actual Star Wars name is grab me Knocklow. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much for having me. That is my Do you
Speaker 2: know how did you get your Star Wars name?
Speaker 3: No, how you do that.
Speaker 5: It's your first three of your last name. The first
Speaker 5: two of your first name creates your first part of
Speaker 5: your Star Wars name, and then your last part your
Speaker 5: last name of your Star Wars name is the three
Speaker 5: part three first letters of your middle name plus the
Speaker 5: first two letters of the city you were born in.
Speaker 1: Okay, so first three of last, last three of first yep, okay,
Speaker 1: so oh brack, this is my first name?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh brack.
Speaker 1: Then we I won't waste everybody's time by figuring out
Speaker 1: the rest of it.
Speaker 2: But o brad furiously on paper. That's not it either, mom,
Speaker 2: Where was I born?
Speaker 4: Red Thread?
Speaker 1: And yeah anyway, yeah, yeah, Miles, Yeah.
Speaker 3: We are thrilled to be joined.
Speaker 1: Once again in air third seat by a writer, one
Speaker 1: of the best podcast hosts and EPs doing it. You
Speaker 1: know him from stuff they don't want you to know,
Speaker 1: ridiculous history. New series Missing in Arizona. Please welcome back
Speaker 1: to the show.
Speaker 4: It's Ben Bower. Yes, yes, yes, yes, feels so good
Speaker 4: to be back. A little bit off kilter here. I
Speaker 4: was coming in at eight point three out of ten.
Speaker 4: I thought I had a good AKA. I was gonna
Speaker 4: go with soup God because I thought that was like
Speaker 4: a nice thing. Yeah, I thought it was a cool.
Speaker 4: But then I got I got soup.
Speaker 1: Cocked, nothing cooked, and I made you watch me do
Speaker 1: it yea too, that's AKA.
Speaker 2: It's all slowed down soup cool.
Speaker 3: I wasn't doing a super big stickhead. Are you what's
Speaker 3: your favorite soup band?
Speaker 2: For the record, because we are pro soup on the show.
Speaker 2: Despite what Jesse Waters has to say about eight out
Speaker 2: of ten things, he says most of the time.
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, no, I've heard it. I've heard it.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I gotta be honest. I like a fu
Speaker 4: I'm a sucker for being a dirt bag too. I'm
Speaker 4: a sucker for uh that that canned denty Moore beef
Speaker 4: stew whoa who?
Speaker 3: You really fun legend?
Speaker 4: Yo.
Speaker 2: Whenever I see that, I'm like, Yo, this is for
Speaker 2: somebody who's like a Civil War reenactor.
Speaker 3: To you, but you're.
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 4: Really?
Speaker 2: Every time I see that label, it's like hunt because
Speaker 2: it's so it's I feel like that label has not
Speaker 2: changed in decades that whatever I see and I'm like,
Speaker 2: that has to be the same can I saw when
Speaker 2: I was like ten years old?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the thing. The secret to denty Moore beef
Speaker 4: stew is it never goes bad because it never starts
Speaker 4: off good, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Because it never was beef stuck.
Speaker 4: It's not I mean, yeah, it's weird that they don't
Speaker 4: have air quotes around being yeah yeah, but uh but yeah,
Speaker 4: maybe it's nostalgia. But I'll tell you, I loving if
Speaker 4: I actually made some. I make a lot of like
Speaker 4: soup with the leftovers because I'm too cheat to you
Speaker 4: throw stuff out if it if it's all.
Speaker 3: In salt water and make a sup baby.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, but man, I was listening to the
Speaker 4: recent episode with some strong opinions about soup. That's kind
Speaker 4: of been an ongoing theme. And now in honor you
Speaker 4: guys and Blake and and your buddy from earlier, I'm
Speaker 4: not drinking with a straw. Okay, good, my buddy from
Speaker 4: earlier being Jesse Waters. Yeah, your little friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your boy, Come get your boy, Jesse Waters.
Speaker 4: Whose man is this? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I do want to so.
Speaker 1: On the last episode, we talked about how Jesse Water
Speaker 1: says it's not mainly to eat soup because you purs
Speaker 1: your lips when you blow on it, not the way
Speaker 1: and not the way that I do. Miles pointed out
Speaker 1: that I just pour it onto a plate and then
Speaker 1: slide it back and.
Speaker 4: Burn myself with it like a real.
Speaker 1: But I was talking about how my mother in law,
Speaker 1: who is now living with us, as well as my
Speaker 1: father in law, and it's been wonderful. But she she's
Speaker 1: always complimented me for liking soup. And then the other
Speaker 1: but the other day was like, because it's very rare
Speaker 1: for a man to like soup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you get to the bottom of that?
Speaker 1: So I mentioned it. She was like, oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: saw it on the gram. Nice and she was like,
Speaker 1: I saw you. You keep my name out of your mouth.
Speaker 1: She's very touched that we were talking about that, and
Speaker 1: she hit me over the weekend jack Korean proverb A
Speaker 1: man who likes soup will get a fortune and blessings
Speaker 1: from his wife.
Speaker 2: So whoa, Okay that's going to be that's pretty good news.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh so for her it's just like, oh, you a
Speaker 2: good man, You a good soup eating man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a good basic ass soupy. You're a family,
Speaker 1: you're a family due you know what I think the
Speaker 1: way it started is that it's like easy to make,
Speaker 1: and so like by taking the pressure off and just
Speaker 1: letting put a soup on and let it boil, and
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: It's so gender Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: The husband who cares not how much his wife hath
Speaker 2: toiled in kitchen shall receive blessings.
Speaker 1: Really, this is why I'm a fucking hero. I've been
Speaker 1: saying it for a long time. Everybody you know, so lucky.
Speaker 1: My beautiful, brilliant wife is so lucky to have me
Speaker 1: because I like soup.
Speaker 4: I would also not to get too too conspiratorial, but
Speaker 4: is it possible that your mother in law may have
Speaker 4: manufactured Korean proverb just to give you a win?
Speaker 1: Oh? Oh, she just sees me sadly eating soup, and
Speaker 1: she's like, this guy needs a fucking win. The way
Speaker 1: you eat soup is really good. And then like, it's
Speaker 1: so it's so sad that like the compliment she gives
Speaker 1: me completely made up. I talk about it on my podcast.
Speaker 1: She's like, God, so sad. Yeah, that's entirely possible. Sometimes
Speaker 1: sometimes your boy needs a win. And I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about Jesse Waters all right, Ben, Yeah, we're thrilled to
Speaker 1: have you here. Yeah, this is gonna be one of
Speaker 1: those episodes where we talk about stuff that is in
Speaker 1: your area of expertise that is colliding with the zeitgeist.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna get into that. But before we do that,
Speaker 1: we do like to get to know you a little bit.
Speaker 1: Better by asking what is something from your search history
Speaker 1: that is revealing about who you are?
Speaker 4: All right, So I've been thinking about this. Uh, there's
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff going on, as we know, and
Speaker 4: I was recently fascinated by a story that began back
Speaker 4: in twenty nineteen. Uh, beluga whale was discovered. This is true.
Speaker 4: A beluga whale was discovered in the wild, rocking a
Speaker 4: harness like a think of it, like a kid with
Speaker 4: a jan sport backpack maritime version, rocking a harness with
Speaker 4: a mount that was probably for a camera or maybe
Speaker 4: to hole something. It was clearly acclimated to humans. And
Speaker 4: on the plastic tabs on the harness, I'm I'm mimicking.
Speaker 1: This was all going on on the whales back like
Speaker 1: a backpack.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, And uh it said there was a
Speaker 4: label on there. It was Designer. It said Saint Petersburg.
Speaker 4: And so people in Saint Petersburg, Russia.
Speaker 1: Well, we don't know a second more people got this
Speaker 1: all right, exactly this Uh, this whale got nicknamed Voldemir
Speaker 1: in the in the media at the time in Norway,
Speaker 1: I believe.
Speaker 4: And it was just adorable, like if you've ever seen
Speaker 4: a really nice dog, like a Golden Retriever or a labrador.
Speaker 4: Just in the wild. They just run up to strangers. Yeah,
Speaker 4: shake him down for snacks and tennis balls.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: That that's what this this whale was doing. And people
Speaker 4: people immediately began speculating on whether or not this whale
Speaker 4: was a Russian spy.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I uh, you guys thought I thought
Speaker 1: spies like cut the tags off though, like, well, they
Speaker 1: just left left those tags on what it was just like,
Speaker 1: so it was off the rack. Whale sized spy equipment
Speaker 1: and the like that had same pete like had tags
Speaker 1: from where they bought it from a target.
Speaker 4: It was off. It was off the rack. No one
Speaker 4: knew where this poor guy came from, but he was
Speaker 4: running around. He wasn't in a pod. He was clearly
Speaker 4: acclimated to humans, retrieving people's phones, getting stuff for them,
Speaker 4: playing around with people. And then, unfortunately, quite recently, he
Speaker 4: was discovered dead, which reignited right, which reignited speculation about
Speaker 4: his shadowy past. And so just to just to check in,
Speaker 4: did you guys hear about this? You guys?
Speaker 1: I saw the headline, yeah, because I was now the name,
Speaker 1: and immediately my brain told me to move on.
Speaker 2: I think that's this fancy way to spell spell that.
Speaker 2: Vladimir D A L D I M I R yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I saw the picture of it like it
Speaker 2: looked all cute, and I was like, oh man, what
Speaker 2: happened this? And then I saw I got thrown out
Speaker 2: of a window, fell out of a window, and.
Speaker 1: Lift out of its Moscow apartment fild. Yeah it's London,
Speaker 1: it's London apartment. How it'd become a billionaire? Ali the Ark.
Speaker 4: But after a couple of problematic tweets.
Speaker 2: Yeah wait so what wait? Yeah, I mean, aside from
Speaker 2: literally the headline, No, I didn't. I didn't read too
Speaker 2: much into it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's weird because there were a lot of or
Speaker 4: there have been. There are a lot of nonprofits that
Speaker 4: were using this guy as sort of the face of
Speaker 4: maritime conservation, save whales, et cetera. And when he when
Speaker 4: he was discovered dead on August thirty first, not too
Speaker 4: too long ago, there were all these conflicting reports and
Speaker 4: some of the some of the nonprofits were saying, get this,
Speaker 4: they were saying, someone shot this guy. They shot him
Speaker 4: several times. Yeah, which just brings the spy conversation back again,
Speaker 4: was it shot? It does not appear to be the case.
Speaker 4: We're still it.
Speaker 2: Could have just been an old ass whale that maybe.
Speaker 4: Died right ice wraps on. Yeah and they they So
Speaker 4: those initial claims were maybe a little bit hyperbolic. But
Speaker 4: the fascinating thing about this is we do know that
Speaker 4: both the USSR and the United States have messed with
Speaker 4: the idea of using cetaceans as primarily like surveillance and
Speaker 4: recon No cat's mad about that one. No, no dolphin
Speaker 4: lasers so far as we know. But but because of this,
Speaker 4: people have started re evaluating, you know, the providence of this,
Speaker 4: this poor guy who was just adorable in his actions
Speaker 4: and following the story closely. Sorry for all the late emails, folks,
Speaker 4: I got other ship to do right now.
Speaker 1: The reason a cat might be mad about you mentioning
Speaker 1: the CIA. The US and Russia both looked into using
Speaker 1: Wales despies because they also looked into cats Operation Acoustic Kitty,
Speaker 1: and the cats totally fucked up the assignment.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, it did not go well, damn.
Speaker 3: Because cats are so orderly.
Speaker 1: Famously easy to train and orderly.
Speaker 2: I would I would always describe a cat is subordinate,
Speaker 2: I think, just like just to put in your parlance
Speaker 2: of military, like, yeah, oh, these are most subordinate animals, sir,
Speaker 2: these cats.
Speaker 3: So watch this?
Speaker 2: Ah fuck? Where'd it go?
Speaker 4: Right exactly? It's behind you?
Speaker 2: These like that I remember because like in World War Two,
Speaker 2: I feel like was the first time I heard about
Speaker 2: like supposed Navy deployed dolphins or things like weren't some
Speaker 2: like meant to like weren't some weaponized and others were
Speaker 2: like look like meant to put pingers down anyway, as
Speaker 2: I say this pingers like uh, like this one it
Speaker 2: says this mind clearance work while wearing a location locating
Speaker 2: PingER on the ping like to ping it.
Speaker 1: I thought this was a very unofficial thing. Damn I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that was.
Speaker 4: It looked sick too.
Speaker 3: But the most fun setting photo.
Speaker 2: It's like this like fucking navy seal and a dinghy
Speaker 2: and a like a dolphin up in there like it
Speaker 2: like it is strapped.
Speaker 4: The dolphin is strapped.
Speaker 1: He looks like either as a camera or a laser gun.
Speaker 4: And like yeah yeah, and this, uh, this is something
Speaker 4: that I think leads his other conversation. I know we've
Speaker 4: all talked about it. Before. But the Orcas just got
Speaker 4: fed up, you know, and they're actively hunting different watercraft.
Speaker 4: Team Cetacean, to be honest with.
Speaker 2: It, Oh yeah, all day, all day.
Speaker 4: And so I'm still wondering maybe there's someone in the
Speaker 4: zeitgeist who happens to have worked with Russian experimental maritype spying.
Speaker 4: And please use your real name, please, uh and and
Speaker 4: do the do the social engineering of the Star Wars
Speaker 4: thing we were talking about earlier. Just give us your
Speaker 4: full first, middle last name, along with like a list
Speaker 4: of your fears, maybe your.
Speaker 2: Blood type, and tell us what you know about these
Speaker 2: Russian spy whales.
Speaker 4: So that's a search history.
Speaker 1: Damn, I'm just reading the headline. Whale alleged to be
Speaker 1: Russian spy died after stick became lodged in its mouth.
Speaker 1: Say police, that's suspicious to me, that's I feel like
Speaker 1: whales probably.
Speaker 2: I feel like you're smarter than that to go out
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 1: I figured that out, like if if a Russian oligarch
Speaker 1: died when stick became lodged in mouth, we would all
Speaker 1: be like, hmm, that's really suspicious. And whales are much
Speaker 1: better at like they they horked down entire like sea
Speaker 1: animals with full skeletons.
Speaker 2: It was that or the forty five round that went
Speaker 2: through its brain, I don't know. And windows there.
Speaker 1: Was a stick in his mouth. We're not looking too
Speaker 1: much further than that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a rat in its mouth.
Speaker 4: There it is, I don't know. Has anyone checked for polonium?
Speaker 2: Is the question?
Speaker 3: What's something you think is underrated? Ben?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got it. This is weird and probably makes
Speaker 4: me sound old sending stuff in the mail like old
Speaker 4: school snail mail. I got a lovely letter from an
Speaker 4: older relative and she had spent time on it, you know.
Speaker 4: And it wasn't just like, you know, it's a bullshit
Speaker 4: Hallmark card. There's nothing wrong with that. It wasn't just
Speaker 4: you know, I have signed this and spend a stampard. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's a letter and it's asking me for opinions and stuff,
Speaker 4: and I'm thinking, well, I don't like to use the phone.
Speaker 4: Can I just email and response? Or is that inappropriate?
Speaker 4: I mean, think about it. You know, we've all just
Speaker 4: sort of accepted. I would argue that when you go
Speaker 4: and check the mail, most of what you're getting is
Speaker 4: junk mail or advertisements, or even worse, something that tells
Speaker 4: you you have to do another thing, right, yeah, right, right,
Speaker 4: when's the last time you guys got personalized male?
Speaker 2: Uh well, I correspond with that guy, Joseph James DeAngelo,
Speaker 2: the Golden State Killer.
Speaker 3: For many years. Yeah, yeah, years. Yeah, it's just like
Speaker 3: similar thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, ask me how I think the Warriors are
Speaker 2: going to do this season? But no man.
Speaker 3: Killer brother? You know that to step.
Speaker 4: Like yo, we said we're not going to talk about work.
Speaker 2: I think the last time was probably actually, I mean
Speaker 2: I remember like when I got married, sending wild thank
Speaker 2: you notes, and that was a lot more. I did
Speaker 2: a lot more than thanks for that thing like you
Speaker 2: want to actually add some sentiment, evokes some memories or whatever.
Speaker 2: So maybe a year ago, but a full on letter.
Speaker 2: I haven't had a full on letter sent to me
Speaker 2: since fucking I was in like camp or some ship
Speaker 2: and my mom was like, please stop crying.
Speaker 4: Baby, it'll do.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 4: Was it just one?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Anybody who has gotten a handwritten letter from Miles beautiful handwriting?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, really a wonderful, a true treat.
Speaker 2: I was a recipient, and the handwriting analysts are like,
Speaker 2: this guy is putting way too much force down on
Speaker 2: the pen, like I write as if I'm like engraving steel,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I have a very Yeah, my wife and
Speaker 2: I were like, uh, sexually frustrated much but really great
Speaker 2: command of the thing.
Speaker 3: But yeah, ship, what is going on with this?
Speaker 4: How much time? I don't know? You're you're also bringing
Speaker 4: up a thing too now that I think about it. Usually,
Speaker 4: if I hear about long winded letters being written, now
Speaker 4: it's junibomber stuff to law enforcement. It's become sort of
Speaker 4: intrinsically linked to crazy people do this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, sure, sure, Well I think it's all because
Speaker 2: right of how the speed at which we can communicate.
Speaker 2: It's not like you're like, well, I know this is
Speaker 2: gonna take three months to get to them, so I
Speaker 2: better get out at least three months where the thoughts
Speaker 2: out on this thing before I get my correspondence back.
Speaker 2: Whereas now it's like, because I think of even how
Speaker 2: like long my text messages used to be when I
Speaker 2: first started text messaging, Yeah to now how like? And
Speaker 2: also because you were charged for damn near like every
Speaker 2: single text that you send right and now like I'm
Speaker 2: just like spamming threads as if I'm on like on
Speaker 2: AOL instant messenger. As a kid, I'm like, what send?
Speaker 3: Are send? You send?
Speaker 2: Doing send tonight, send question marks, send and Yeah. I
Speaker 2: think the communication habits are very different. I think that's
Speaker 2: my version of like the letter is like to try
Speaker 2: and talk on the phone. You know, that's the part
Speaker 2: that we're you know, it's it's it's a longer back
Speaker 2: and forth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a little more intimate. I don't know to that point, man,
Speaker 4: I miss wait. I was about to say, I missed
Speaker 4: the eighteen hundreds. Whatever, we'll keep it on here.
Speaker 3: I knew it. I told you ghost.
Speaker 2: More fucking can you couldn't think of something for our
Speaker 2: modern era?
Speaker 3: He said he wanted to salt pork.
Speaker 1: Under it, callow and beans, you know me beans.
Speaker 4: If you guys heard about oil lanterns.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's trying to do the hello fellow kids thing,
Speaker 1: but he's just batting a hoop.
Speaker 4: Down the street with a Hello fellow kids, just skirting
Speaker 4: up by my penny farthy.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, fishtailing it.
Speaker 4: What's up y'all, boy, petty far No. I mean it
Speaker 4: reminds me though, like that point about communication nature and
Speaker 4: what what becomes normalized. If you think about it. A
Speaker 4: lot of things were horrible back in the day and
Speaker 4: still are now. But can you imagine back in the
Speaker 4: eighteen hundreds, you would just write a letter and then disappear.
Speaker 4: If you came back, you know, months and months later,
Speaker 4: nobody would question it. They wouldn't They wouldn't be mad
Speaker 4: at you. They would be like, oh my gosh, Jonathan,
Speaker 4: you've returned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no Ah, I think I would. I would be
Speaker 2: doing way better back then. I would do such crazy
Speaker 2: dynamic entrances and ship just to find oh, yeah, we
Speaker 2: haven't heard from me. Ah, I missed eighteen hundreds too, man.
Speaker 4: Once. Yeah.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 1: The equivalent of like email spam back then was that
Speaker 1: people just come into a town and pretending to be
Speaker 1: like a prince or something like.
Speaker 3: It worked. It worked.
Speaker 1: Hey, another prince just came to town, Yeah, easy to
Speaker 1: Or explorers, like a lot of explorers were just out
Speaker 1: there making ship up being like, yeah, I went and
Speaker 1: I saw this place in South America with three headed women.
Speaker 2: I am actually William Randolph Hurst's nephew. Well please come in,
Speaker 2: and I demand a lot of them, A lot.
Speaker 4: Of it, A.
Speaker 2: Lot of them, you know what I mean, a lot
Speaker 2: of men for that one, Ben.
Speaker 1: What is something you thinks over it?
Speaker 4: New cars?
Speaker 1: New cars? Car? This is one that we've recently heard.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, use certified, Yeah, Matt, Matt leave oh
Speaker 1: that too.
Speaker 3: I was, yeah, yeah, what do you mean a new car?
Speaker 3: What specific aspect of it?
Speaker 2: Because I think of like how shitty they break, like
Speaker 2: how they're susceptible to breakdowns, unlike you know, like the
Speaker 2: cars of the nineties that are like, yeah, this show
Speaker 2: you can fucking drive into a volcano and it will run.
Speaker 2: But what's what are we talking here with Newton?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I forget about the costs and the depreciation, all that,
Speaker 4: all that adult stuff. Uh, the age of auto surveillance
Speaker 4: is fucking Koby. It is bad, bad stuff, right. It
Speaker 4: always starts as an opt in thing, right, knock a
Speaker 4: few bucks off insurance, or how convenient is it that
Speaker 4: we will you know, we'll play the music for you.
Speaker 4: You can call uh a car service on your phone.
Speaker 4: But then it becomes mandatory, right, it becomes opt out.
Speaker 4: Then it becomes mandatory. And I was looking at you know,
Speaker 4: not the high road anybody, but I might buy a
Speaker 4: car pretty soon, so.
Speaker 1: I know, right, like a horseless Yeah gold, yes, blooms.
Speaker 3: You found an old chest.
Speaker 4: I found several to balloons. That's true, that's true.
Speaker 3: Uh, not a Studia baker on my flex.
Speaker 4: On them with a packerd. Yeah, I'm not above it.
Speaker 4: Uh just because Zeppelin prices are.
Speaker 3: Crazy, right, I hear that.
Speaker 2: I hear that, bro.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But like, do you guys ever think about that, uh,
Speaker 4: the idea that it's normalized to new your location at
Speaker 4: all times?
Speaker 2: I think when we talked about it, it was always
Speaker 2: like in the context when they're saying stuff like it
Speaker 2: knew about like people's sexual habits, yes, and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: how I still don't know the mechanics of how. I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess like it could maybe you know, infer from
Speaker 2: certain data.
Speaker 3: Points what was going on.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I more so, I think I've
Speaker 2: just grown a thick skin when it comes to surveillance capitalism.
Speaker 2: Like I fully just resigned to the fact. I'm like, yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: I don't fucking they got me. They fucking got it.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck I can do to
Speaker 2: get out of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they cared too, They've got me. Yeah, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: hope they don't.
Speaker 3: Hope no one gives.
Speaker 4: There's some narcissism's paranoia right inherent. I like that idea too,
Speaker 4: of of guy, it's so difficult to get to a
Speaker 4: human voice on a lot of company lines when you
Speaker 4: call it, you know, your one eight hundred or whatever.
Speaker 4: Maybe surveillance is like that. Maybe you have to trip
Speaker 4: through several levels of weird before you get like the
Speaker 4: human intern and it's his or her job to check
Speaker 4: on Jack. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: This guy just because we find it entertaining quite frankly,
Speaker 1: look at his soup cock.
Speaker 2: This guy's he's being pre sliced peeled apples.
Speaker 3: I don't like the I don't.
Speaker 2: Like the peela.
Speaker 4: I don't like this feel like he'll get down on
Speaker 4: some raisins though, Oh yeah, brother, I.
Speaker 3: Mean what he started?
Speaker 2: What else am I missing? In terms of like I
Speaker 2: get that all of these have most modern cars have
Speaker 2: GPS because they'll offer like a map navigation thing, but
Speaker 2: they'll be like if you pay, but even if you
Speaker 2: that hardware is in there. I know there's ship like
Speaker 2: a lot of remote capabilities, like in terms of starting
Speaker 2: your air conditioner or like a c or locking or
Speaker 2: unlocking and stuff. But what what other things should keep
Speaker 2: me up at night? And why should I throw my
Speaker 2: car away?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Great questions. So in case you were sleeping too well
Speaker 4: at night, please remember that we're not too far away
Speaker 4: from a future where, you know, like a wet Tesla
Speaker 4: dream where in cars are Yeah, that's.
Speaker 3: What I wasn't reacting to the phrase.
Speaker 1: I was reacting warning you got your pupils to tighten
Speaker 1: up like that.
Speaker 3: You were looking into the bright light of heavan like
Speaker 3: iron Giant.
Speaker 4: So as you're edging into the future, miles. Uh, please
Speaker 4: remember when semi autonomous vehicles become normal, when that infrastructure exists,
Speaker 4: there is a possibility I'm not saying a specific country,
Speaker 4: but there is a possibility that that could be used
Speaker 4: to shut down individual transport. Like imagine if oh, right,
Speaker 4: there's a protest or something and.
Speaker 3: Oh cars don't work today.
Speaker 4: Huh yeah, interesting, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Get to downtown. Yeah, this is La. We know people
Speaker 2: don't walk, So test your gangster for the proletarian revolution
Speaker 2: real quick.
Speaker 4: I just I know. I sound like the guy with
Speaker 4: the sandwich board walking up and down Hollywood or whatever
Speaker 4: with some weird alarm.
Speaker 1: To announce some great deals on some gold and jewelry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the guy from the sandwich board, Bring back sandwich boards.
Speaker 2: I missed those.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, but I get that. No, I mean that.
Speaker 2: No, I I get what you're saying when you game
Speaker 2: it out to that where we've fully just been like, yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: not even have to drive anymore. It's like, well, then
Speaker 2: what happens if you ever want to go somewhere it's.
Speaker 3: That's not your anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so anyway only by you know, Hondas
Speaker 2: and toyotas from from the nineties.
Speaker 1: Basically, if you don't stop jagging off of your car
Speaker 1: because it's watching, it.
Speaker 2: Knows and it's judge, which I don't really appreciate. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in the garage, no one can see. Okay, what a
Speaker 2: fucking miscreant.
Speaker 4: This isn't for you, Honda.
Speaker 3: Excuse you, excuse you, excuse you. All right, let's take
Speaker 3: a quick break. We'll be right back and we're back.
Speaker 1: My voice just want a little Chewbacca there, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: little little which is kind of interesting because it is
Speaker 1: a little wooky, a little wacky, a little Chewbacca, a
Speaker 1: little squatch. All right, So I just want to get
Speaker 1: this out of the way, Okay, me outside the I
Speaker 1: have generally, so you cover conspiracy theories on your podcast
Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. A type of
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory that has generally turned my brain into the
Speaker 1: off position, into the not listening mute position, has been
Speaker 1: anything involving cryptozoology, the study of like mythical animals that
Speaker 1: people wish existed or like are really convinced exists, such
Speaker 1: as sasquatch. I still remember there was a live episode
Speaker 1: of the Cracked podcast around Halloween. We were doing like
Speaker 1: tell us your spookiest story, and friend of the show,
Speaker 1: Ryan Singer, who is a very funny comedian and also
Speaker 1: like into all manners of like trippy shit, came on
Speaker 1: and he like had my ass. He was telling me
Speaker 1: this story about like people disappearing in state parks, and
Speaker 1: he was like plotting it out on maps, and he
Speaker 1: was like, you know, telling the story. And then he
Speaker 1: got to the like what was clearly the climax, and
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: Like, where is this going to go?
Speaker 3: How do I not know about this?
Speaker 1: And he was like, and before the people disappeared, everyone
Speaker 1: in the area reported smelling ammonia, which is often associated
Speaker 1: with bigfoots, And I was immediately like a fucking balloon deflating.
Speaker 4: I was just like, ugh, come on.
Speaker 1: But then he like talked about it. I kind of
Speaker 1: was on board, but it takes a lot for me
Speaker 1: to like get the whole Sasquatch thing. But it's definitely
Speaker 1: like it's not going anywhere. There's a new indie film,
Speaker 1: Sasquatch Sunset that's getting a lot of attention with Jesse
Speaker 1: Eisenberg and Riley Keo, who are like indie darlings, you know,
Speaker 1: like it's it's entered the culture from like reality TV
Speaker 1: and you know, mainstream silliness like Harry and the But
Speaker 1: like now it's like getting into like the like this
Speaker 1: is hip and cool and interesting, like you know, I'm like,
Speaker 1: let's give it another look.
Speaker 2: Well there's even today right, like there's like news because
Speaker 2: some janky coin like making company has just launched the
Speaker 2: Bigfoot discovery coin, Like that's still a thing today. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: launch it now on Monday. So on Monday, September ninth,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, on over the weekend there was Louisiana
Speaker 2: had their very first Louisiana Bigfoot Festival. Because now it
Speaker 2: seems like rather than it being mostly like a Northwestern phenomenon,
Speaker 2: like it's we're seeing it in the Bayou and in
Speaker 2: the south bast there's a swampy oh yeah, and that
Speaker 2: is James Commo out there when he forgot laundry. That's
Speaker 2: that's a real that's a real Bigfoot. And you know,
Speaker 2: like Expedition Bigfoot had a new season just dropped like this,
Speaker 2: like in this last month. It does not go go away.
Speaker 2: And I too, like Jack, because I see it a
Speaker 2: lot on like the internet, even like on Reddit, there's
Speaker 2: always like some new Bigfoot thing. I'm like, come on, y'all,
Speaker 2: like really, come on, what is it? What? What the why? Why?
Speaker 4: Where is the poop? Just critically, where is like, for
Speaker 4: an animal of that size or primate of that size,
Speaker 4: where where is the poop? The uh? We know for
Speaker 4: a fact, just to back this up, we know for
Speaker 4: a fact cryptozoology often considered a pseudoscience. But part of
Speaker 4: the reason things considered cryptids do later enter into the
Speaker 4: scientific record is because Western scientists got stuff wrong and
Speaker 4: they rocked up. You know, just hey, stranger in town,
Speaker 4: like we said, and they said, oh, the CIA can
Speaker 4: long thought to be extinct for millions of years. Look
Speaker 4: at you tear in the heart.
Speaker 1: Of the jungle, and then I do appreciate you now
Speaker 1: speaking in your regular voice and stopping the shark of
Speaker 1: from our modern era and from America.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm merely a British observer of your American Civil War,
Speaker 2: Mike the Chaotic. Oh you're a British civil Okay, got it?
Speaker 4: You didn't Yeah, yeah, yeah, small demographic.
Speaker 2: The steal Secrets came from England to be like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm watching this.
Speaker 1: This is you know they did used to watch it
Speaker 1: as a spectator sport, the civil nicks and like, just
Speaker 1: watch the battlefield.
Speaker 4: So maybe mass media has saved us from society ship
Speaker 4: but uh but yes, like the like the ceiling cant
Speaker 4: is a great example thought extinct by Western science, and
Speaker 4: then when it was quote unquote rediscovered, everybody living in
Speaker 4: that fucking area of the world was like, yeah, this
Speaker 4: is the ugly fish. It's been there forever. It's just
Speaker 4: we don't eat it. It doesn't taste good either. I
Speaker 4: don't know why you guys are making a big deal.
Speaker 3: How what do you call it?
Speaker 1: The ceiling, the ceiling can ceiling fan ceil. I did
Speaker 1: write ceiling fan in and I was like, what's he
Speaker 1: talking about? Ceiling? Fan fish.
Speaker 4: It's a code phrase.
Speaker 2: C E L C O E L A C A
Speaker 2: N t H.
Speaker 4: And you know, no, judgment's just not the prettiest fish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like it looks like like like an
Speaker 2: old dog that's got like you know, skin tags and stuff.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's like the fish, like.
Speaker 4: This is this thing exactly, And so that kind of
Speaker 4: stuff informs what people think about with crypto zoolog Like everybody,
Speaker 4: everybody wants to have some sort of encounter with the wild, right,
Speaker 4: everybody wants to be Promethean, Like I found the thing.
Speaker 4: It was rumor. Uh. And I think to the question
Speaker 4: about why Bigfoot is so fascinating to people, it's really
Speaker 4: we're talking about this ancient preoccupation that a lot of
Speaker 4: civilizations had with the idea of something that is almost
Speaker 4: but not quite us. We don't know if human beings
Speaker 4: ever met at actual Gigantapithecus was the largest primate. It's
Speaker 4: ten feet tall, weighed over five hundred pounds projected, So
Speaker 4: it's maybe I don't know, it's very controversial, but it's
Speaker 4: like maybe possible that some version of humans ran into
Speaker 4: that and that made the game of telephone. But I
Speaker 4: would suggest to you guys that the reason people are
Speaker 4: so invested in this bigfoot thing is because it's one
Speaker 4: a way to explain things right. Two it is tantalizing
Speaker 4: because the way that the argument is constructed, just like
Speaker 4: UFO arguments, never really delivers, right Or like what's that show?
Speaker 4: The Oak Island money Pit, the brand like five thousand
Speaker 4: seasons and they always found something that could be something.
Speaker 1: So I think the longer it doesn't deliver, the more
Speaker 1: strength and the more intrigue it gets because you never
Speaker 1: get a satisfying resolution, and so it just builds and builds.
Speaker 1: It's like a JJ Abrams show, you know, right, So.
Speaker 4: Like I talked to extensively talk to people who are
Speaker 4: in that community, and they're very for the most part,
Speaker 4: very kind, you know, and they're not they're not getting
Speaker 4: mad at me if I ask, what I feel are
Speaker 4: logical questions like, Okay, if there's a primate this size,
Speaker 4: and assuming it's a primate, right, then where if it
Speaker 4: is if a good comp is like a gorilla, then
Speaker 4: where's the bigfoot nest? Where do they sleep? What's their territory,
Speaker 4: what's their range? Subscriber, yeah, what are their subscriptions? What
Speaker 4: are their Star Wars names?
Speaker 1: Right, Well, I like the Sasquatch Sunset I read like
Speaker 1: a brief plot synopsis, and it feels like the Sasquatch
Speaker 1: in that film, or like fairly like they don't seem
Speaker 1: very advanced in their like reasoning, which I feel like
Speaker 1: any version of Bigfoot would have to be for it
Speaker 1: to have like stayed off grid this lines would have
Speaker 1: to have at least invented poop bags, real sleepy poof Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I.
Speaker 4: Mean, that's a great point because also, all right, so
Speaker 4: I did ask people about the poop, right, and admittedly
Speaker 4: I was a little overly diplomatic about it. I was saying, well,
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of our listeners in the crowd
Speaker 4: tonight are probably gonna wonder. And every time I asked this,
Speaker 4: I would get really good energy back that people would say,
Speaker 4: like one guy who started a museum here in l
Speaker 4: a j, Georgia, well it doesn't matter, just believe me.
Speaker 4: It's a real place. And uh yeah, I asked him
Speaker 4: about the poop and he said, yeah, that's a great question. Ben.
Speaker 4: Here's what I think. What if they're extra dimensional?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, immediately that's where it goes, they change
Speaker 1: the goalposts.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they don't poop, bro, they poop in another dimension.
Speaker 2: They do that poop in their dimension.
Speaker 4: In a pocket poop dimension.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that, just so quickly, just reflexively. They
Speaker 2: might be interdimensional. I always thought the reason why Americans
Speaker 2: had an obsession with Bigfoot was the decline of the
Speaker 2: white working class. Now is there is there anything to that?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: No, that was like I was reading this article about
Speaker 2: this guy who wrote a book, and like, apparently it
Speaker 2: comes up a lot, but in a way where people
Speaker 2: are like, what the fuck is this guy talking about it?
Speaker 3: Like it's it.
Speaker 2: They're saying, it's a lot of dudes who like just
Speaker 2: sort of like yearn for the past and being out
Speaker 2: and like camping and stuff like that. But at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, like it sounds like people who
Speaker 2: have enough money to go camping for long periods with
Speaker 2: infrared gear probably aren't the kind of working class people
Speaker 2: that they might be yearning for.
Speaker 1: But that is interesting. It started in like the Pacific
Speaker 1: Northwest around the same time that like grunge was being
Speaker 1: created because of the like collapse of the middle class there,
Speaker 1: and now it's like moving down to the rust belt.
Speaker 1: There's that's an interesting theory. I don't know exactly how.
Speaker 2: This author was not articulating it in that kind of way.
Speaker 2: It felt very like maga adjacent, like coment, like yeah,
Speaker 2: because like white working men are just like the villain.
Speaker 4: Now that's why we whoa okay, okay.
Speaker 2: I feel like it could have been maybe a little
Speaker 2: bit more nuanced, but the take felt a little bit
Speaker 2: all over it.
Speaker 4: There is a sociological aspect, right, because we're talking about
Speaker 4: communities of people who believe in or are somehow taken
Speaker 4: with a certain idea. And it's interesting too, you see
Speaker 4: it sometimes in recent UFO discourse, right, there is an
Speaker 4: underlying sociological factor, Like a lot of this stuff kind
Speaker 4: of trends to the right wing of the political spectrum.
Speaker 4: And so I think there's a validity to the idea
Speaker 4: that people are looking back with the rose colored glasses
Speaker 4: on maybe in America that didn't exist, you know, just
Speaker 4: sort of this rock wallized version of days past, and
Speaker 4: they're thinking, yeah, back then, you could just go out
Speaker 4: in the wild, you know, just right, can of soup
Speaker 4: in a dream, see some wild animals.
Speaker 2: That like a John Muorish version of conservation where it's like,
Speaker 2: don't let native people sully the view. This is just
Speaker 2: for our white gaze to cast them on untouched beauty.
Speaker 2: And that's the old times we yearned for. I'm you know,
Speaker 2: I would love to see a bigfoot. But they're the
Speaker 2: least of all the cryptids. I think they're the least.
Speaker 2: That's the least interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they kind of like the vanilla ice cream, I guess, yeah, sure.
Speaker 4: But the the interesting thing here for anybody who is hoping,
Speaker 4: you know, like I would assume, like all of us
Speaker 4: hoping to one day see something cool. How awesome would
Speaker 4: it be for a large animal to be discovered in
Speaker 4: our lifetime? This is one of the moments in history
Speaker 4: where it's more likely than it has been at most
Speaker 4: times in the past, just because human beings are encroaching
Speaker 4: so much in the places that human beings didn't used
Speaker 4: to go.
Speaker 2: So even you sound like a guy who's like starting
Speaker 2: off to like sell me on a big foot tours, Like,
Speaker 2: but here's the thing, if we were ever gonna see one,
Speaker 2: the time is now because weird. Now, look how much
Speaker 2: money you got, like three hundred dollars, Well, that's exactly
Speaker 2: what my tour costs. Man, you're in, let's load up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think so. In doing additional research
Speaker 1: to the like state parks mystery, the answer seems to
Speaker 1: be that state parks and just generally the world is
Speaker 1: much larger than people can possibly like realize, and so
Speaker 1: people just wander off a trail and get way more
Speaker 1: loss than they thought possible in a really short amount
Speaker 1: of time because the state parks are just like endless
Speaker 1: and very untamed, and we as modern people, are not
Speaker 1: used to that sort of thing, and so they just
Speaker 1: wander off and never find their way back.
Speaker 4: There's no federal Uh, there's no single federal compilation, a
Speaker 4: federal level agency counting disappearances, which which means, yeah, it
Speaker 4: can be quite a few people year over year, but
Speaker 4: it also means since that kind of agency doesn't exist,
Speaker 4: there's no one counting the reappearances. Sure, the guys like,
Speaker 4: oh shit, I got kind of stoned. It was my
Speaker 4: first time camping. Yeah I'm two days late, but I'm back,
Speaker 4: you know now, it's just a disappearance.
Speaker 2: I had a one hundred milligram edible like at the trailhead,
Speaker 2: and I was just actually asleep about four hundred yards in.
Speaker 1: But I do think that's the That is one of
Speaker 1: the good arguments for how something like this could happen
Speaker 1: is how little of like how massive the world is, yes,
Speaker 1: and also how little of that we've actually official documented
Speaker 1: and explored.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: There's obviously the ocean. There's like famous quotes about how
Speaker 1: little of the ocean is known. And but I mean
Speaker 1: it's true of a lot of wilderness, like it weren't
Speaker 1: wasn't the platypus thought to be a crypto a cryptid
Speaker 1: for a long time.
Speaker 4: All right, said with great affection you guys, I love animals.
Speaker 4: The platypus looks so fuck not to be rude, but
Speaker 4: I see it, and I'm like, you still don't believe it?
Speaker 4: How the fuck did you get here, buddy? You know
Speaker 4: what I mean? Like I haacked this thing together exactly.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's another part of it too.
Speaker 4: A lot of times now that people live in increasingly
Speaker 4: in conurbations, we're not around the natural world. A lot
Speaker 4: of times, we're less familiar with the other things living
Speaker 4: out there. So you're already in an unfamiliar situation. You
Speaker 4: hear a in the trees, and then you hear some
Speaker 4: noise you've never heard before, and it's like, what you're
Speaker 4: not going to know, You're not going to be like, ah, yes,
Speaker 4: that's clearly.
Speaker 1: That was me actually my beat. I mean, and also
Speaker 1: that is like when you think about the things that
Speaker 1: nature has invented that seemed completely made up, I guess
Speaker 1: that's the thing that fails to grab me about the sasquatches, like,
Speaker 1: oh we have those, right, Like we have big giant
Speaker 1: apes who can like speak in sign language, Like we
Speaker 1: have things that seem like they were made up.
Speaker 4: By a child.
Speaker 1: We have giant squid. Yes, for a long time people
Speaker 1: were fascinated by that as like one of the main
Speaker 1: you know, cryptids, and then once we discovered it was real,
Speaker 1: we were like, all right, fuck off, moving on.
Speaker 4: I mean, think about how how weird. I mean, you're right,
Speaker 4: the natural world is full of all these crazy evolutionary
Speaker 4: mixtapes that attempt to solve problems in the past that
Speaker 4: may not be as applicable today. Like a giraffe that's
Speaker 4: a very specific thing. You know, a lot of insects
Speaker 4: in the relationship with plants. I feel like if you
Speaker 4: are looking at crypto cryptid type biology, if you are
Speaker 4: frightened for some reason the idea of a large undiscovered animal.
Speaker 4: You should be much more frightened of fungus because that
Speaker 4: stuff is. That stuff's amazing and scary. That's the HBO
Speaker 4: Lovecraft stuff.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: You don't got to tell me, Bro, I saw Last
Speaker 2: of Us.
Speaker 4: Right right, cortisps. I apologize if this feels like it's
Speaker 4: old hat, but every time, so like, uh, what do
Speaker 4: you guys think about zoos? Do you think they're important
Speaker 4: for conversation conservation? Do you think it's more like an
Speaker 4: animal jail? What's where on the spectrum you guys?
Speaker 1: I think they're fun, and I won't admit that because
Speaker 1: I don't want people to.
Speaker 2: Yell at me. I think they're animal jails, and I
Speaker 2: think animal jails are cool. How about that? So I
Speaker 2: I'll stand on that. I mean, I think, as I
Speaker 2: got old, I think the thing is like there's some
Speaker 2: like you know, like in San Diego there's like way
Speaker 2: more space and like there's sort of safari area. But
Speaker 2: like when I've been to like urban zoos, like there's
Speaker 2: a zoo in Tokyo where like these fuckers look so sad.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is not a zoo. This motherfucker is
Speaker 2: rotting in a concrete cell for for babies to just
Speaker 2: smear their hands all over the plexiglass and then move
Speaker 2: on like that. I definitely like so in a way,
Speaker 2: I like that there is a place to observe animals,
Speaker 2: but the way that it's done, it's like, uh yeah,
Speaker 2: that is there is there a more humane way, like
Speaker 2: a way that doesn't bum me the fuck out, like
Speaker 2: just so on its face. Like when I go there,
Speaker 2: I think you know what I'm talking about. I'm talking
Speaker 2: about the one in uh Wino Park.
Speaker 4: Don't love it. I was excited to go, and then
Speaker 4: I walked out thinking and yeah, so yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 4: it's rough. But I bring up the zoo question because
Speaker 4: you know, one of the great conspiracies about cryptis you
Speaker 4: run into, especially with the bigfoot stuff, is people saying
Speaker 4: insert cabal here is covering up the knowledge. You know,
Speaker 4: what's the Smithsonian doing with all the bones? I assure you, folks,
Speaker 4: if the Smithsonian had a ghost of a chance having
Speaker 4: any real thing like proof of a contemporaneous Bigfoot, it
Speaker 4: would be fucking all over the place with it. You
Speaker 4: couldn't get away from it. It would be like the
Speaker 4: it would tour the nation in the world. They would
Speaker 4: sequence the DNA and try to make a big foot
Speaker 4: you her community, and we would be some of the
Speaker 4: first people there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, have you met someone who has like
Speaker 2: a specialized interest like that, like an archaeology or zoology
Speaker 2: or something. Those people love to share, Like their whole
Speaker 2: thing is wanting more people to be interested in what
Speaker 2: they do.
Speaker 4: They're not going to keep secrets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just the thing that could really bring.
Speaker 2: A lot of it up with you.
Speaker 3: They're not doing that.
Speaker 1: Ship all right, Let's take a quick break and then
Speaker 1: I do want to check in with you real quick
Speaker 1: about the aliens. We'll be right back and we're back,
Speaker 1: and Ben, I have been alternately fascinated obsessed by wondering
Speaker 1: why we ever talk about anything else with the prospect
Speaker 1: of first contact and some of the military encounters with
Speaker 1: UAPs otherwise known as UFOs. But I don't want to
Speaker 1: sound silly, so I call them UAPs right right, And
Speaker 1: you know, in reference to what we were talking about
Speaker 1: with animals being fascinating when they're cryptids and then if
Speaker 1: they're actually verified as real, people kind of lose interest.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I feel like not.
Speaker 1: The alien and aliens and alien technology were discovered, but
Speaker 1: there there was this congressional testimony that people all kind
Speaker 1: of paid attention to, was big front page news person
Speaker 1: said wild shit. Congress was like, damn, that is wild.
Speaker 1: And then it just people. I feel like there's just
Speaker 1: been a hush. People have been like, all right, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're kind of well, that guy's like credibility. Pretty yeah,
Speaker 1: that guy's credibility. Yeah, so it's not exactly the same thing.
Speaker 1: But I do just kind of as somebody who you know,
Speaker 1: this is an area of focus, I'm curious to hear
Speaker 1: your summary of what has been going on in that
Speaker 1: community over the past months.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent. So the idea is roughly or
Speaker 4: for shorthand, you would call it disclosure. And disclosure is
Speaker 4: the concept that, as we all know, the concept that one,
Speaker 4: some sort of non human intelligent thing is out there
Speaker 4: in two that it interacted with the humans, or it
Speaker 4: somehow left artifacts or other tangible material evidence, and that three,
Speaker 4: for some reason, a bunch of people just do not
Speaker 4: want you to know about it. It's super secret, and
Speaker 4: that for generations and generations, the human beings a species
Speaker 4: notoriously bad at keeping its mouth shut, managed to not
Speaker 4: let anyone know until now right, that's the idea of
Speaker 4: this guy, until this guy who also has a book
Speaker 4: you can buy, you know what I mean? And that's
Speaker 4: I think that that's part of it. To level said,
Speaker 4: with the congressional stuff, the big, big announcements that were
Speaker 4: always always brought to bear or always advertised or signaled
Speaker 4: as such. What we see often and is if you
Speaker 4: look at what a lot of these guys, these veterans
Speaker 4: formed pilots and so on, you look what they're saying,
Speaker 4: and they're usually saying something much more nuanced than what
Speaker 4: is being reported in a headline. They're saying, hey, I
Speaker 4: read a thing that was about a thing that I
Speaker 4: have not myself seen, and there's nothing wrong with saying that,
Speaker 4: you know, it's kind of it's a paperwork argument, really,
Speaker 4: And from that we see these somewhat hyperbolic headlines about, oh,
Speaker 4: you know, billions of dollars are being put into this
Speaker 4: research and this study, or millions of dollars I don't
Speaker 4: forgive the beefit are being put into this and that
Speaker 4: sounds like a lot of money until you forget that
Speaker 4: millions of dollars is a minuscule drop in a billion
Speaker 4: dollar bucket of global superpowers, and they're putting, you know,
Speaker 4: millions of dollars into all kinds of research that might
Speaker 4: seem crazy. Does you know this is we can't forget
Speaker 4: In the case of the US, this is a government
Speaker 4: where one day, four point thirty on a Friday, some
Speaker 4: guy was coming up with ideas. He looked at his
Speaker 4: cat and he was like, what if what if this
Speaker 4: was also a bomb? You know, And they got pretty
Speaker 4: far with that. So I guess the thing is it
Speaker 4: was tntilizing people have I think I don't know if
Speaker 4: I would say they've moved on. We see less general
Speaker 4: public interest, but the people who are already into it
Speaker 4: are are further and further into it, even though it's
Speaker 4: kind of a jam tomorrow, jam yesterday but never ever
Speaker 4: jammed today situation.
Speaker 2: Right, m hmm, okay, yeah, jam the Michael Jacksons.
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson song, yeah, yeah for me to jam yeah.
Speaker 3: I uh yeah.
Speaker 1: I've noticed myself become less interested in it. And because
Speaker 1: because it's they gave us so much homework. It was
Speaker 1: like a class where they gave us, they went and
Speaker 1: talked to Congress, and then just so much homework, and
Speaker 1: there were people being like, I can't believe you believe
Speaker 1: in this. That is, you are a very stupid man. Here,
Speaker 1: read this really long article about why you're stupid.
Speaker 3: And then you know, just.
Speaker 1: An endless number of articles where it's like, actually this
Speaker 1: is kind of intriguing, but like never actually focusing and
Speaker 1: like on the thing. You know, again, it does feel
Speaker 1: like there, like you said, there's an amazing amount of
Speaker 1: work being done to just keep the truth just off
Speaker 1: the edge, just out of focus, just out of reach
Speaker 1: in a way that seems a little almost too perfect.
Speaker 1: I can believe that that could be done by a
Speaker 1: military with tons of funding, more more than I can
Speaker 1: believe that it's being done by a sasquatch. But I
Speaker 1: do still find it a little bit hard hard to believe.
Speaker 4: Well back back in the day. One of the things
Speaker 4: that the US government loved during the fifties and you know,
Speaker 4: the forties, the Project Blue Book era. I love the
Speaker 4: idea of aliens because that's a great act that's way
Speaker 4: more palatable than saying, oh yeah, we're also building our
Speaker 4: own crazy ships, but we can't let people know about
Speaker 4: this aircraft and then to that point, man, at some like,
Speaker 4: I'm not saying these folks are bad faith actors at all.
Speaker 4: You know, in some cases, you know.
Speaker 1: The US military, Yeah, we wouldn't allow you to say
Speaker 1: that on.
Speaker 4: Our no No idea. Specifically, the people say that they
Speaker 4: saw something weird, they can't explain it. If you go
Speaker 4: to most of those folks who are saying that firsthand,
Speaker 4: the phenomenon, the witness, they're not making these crazy, wacky
Speaker 4: do claims. They're not saying I saw an alien. It
Speaker 4: told me straws are weird or anything like that, and.
Speaker 2: It was facing Superintendent Chalmers and then it looked at me.
Speaker 4: Except yeah, they're saying I saw something I can't explain it,
Speaker 4: and I tried to report it, and I hope that
Speaker 4: someone does something from that. You know, it gets to
Speaker 4: the tease, like imagine, imagine all of us were hanging
Speaker 4: out and for some reason we went to like a
Speaker 4: stage magic show. I don't know why we decided to
Speaker 4: go to a magic show. Yeah you're a.
Speaker 1: Close up magic yeah, yeah, is that why you're differentiating
Speaker 1: the stage magic magic.
Speaker 2: Yes, all my magic heads out there, thank you. I
Speaker 2: do prefer intimate, close up magic. But yes, stage magic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but so we see some guys. Yeah, you know
Speaker 4: he's doing like a magician trick. He's got like a
Speaker 4: box step in the box. Or you know, if we
Speaker 4: do close up magic, like.
Speaker 1: Pick I'm sing what's in the box like Brad Pitt
Speaker 1: at the end of seven.
Speaker 4: Yes, as I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, always ruining a magic show.
Speaker 3: That guys here again the box.
Speaker 4: Guy, box guy.
Speaker 3: I didn't catch him at the door.
Speaker 4: So he's so quick, this guy so so. But they
Speaker 4: the idea here like that. I think the comparison is,
Speaker 4: let's go close up magic. Since we got boxed guy
Speaker 4: in the crowd and uh, he keeps They keep saying,
Speaker 4: all right, pick a card, and then they just you
Speaker 4: pick a card. They just keep shuffling. There's never a reveeal.
Speaker 4: So I think people get tired or get become somewhat
Speaker 4: wearied by seeing the constant shuffling without the delivery. And maybe,
Speaker 4: you know, if when this episode comes out, if the
Speaker 4: next day we do get some provable revelation, like physical evidence,
Speaker 4: then I will come back on the show and make
Speaker 4: a Maya kulpa. But I just don't see it happening
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 2: Okay, my interests have the same thing too, or like
Speaker 2: it was. I was like, oh shit, they fucking have
Speaker 2: vehicles that they had hide they pay other fucking consultants
Speaker 2: to fucking steel. I was like, yes, more because for me,
Speaker 2: my confirmation bias is set to let me see them,
Speaker 2: let me see the aliens.
Speaker 3: Like now, yeah, now now.
Speaker 4: They have biologic Yeah, we have biologics and they only
Speaker 4: say non human origin. Yeah is that a particularly.
Speaker 2: Clever they found in a whale's mouth. But like in
Speaker 2: that sense, I have such a For me, my appetite
Speaker 2: is like, bro, just give me anything, Just give me anything,
Speaker 2: because I so badly want to I so badly want
Speaker 2: to be like I want to see this ship. So
Speaker 2: I'm sort of like a bigfoot person, but like with
Speaker 2: aliens or not necessarily like I'm gonna believe everything what
Speaker 2: these people say, but if someone says something about it,
Speaker 2: that's like getting a lot of pickup. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'll entertain this, yeah, obviously, knowing I need empirical evidence
Speaker 2: to fully go there. But like, I think that part
Speaker 2: is more. I think it just excites the part of
Speaker 2: my brain, which I think is the same same thing
Speaker 2: with cryptids. It's like I want to feel like there's
Speaker 2: still another big scientific, existential reveal in the bag for
Speaker 2: me to witness firsthand. While it's like while I am
Speaker 2: on this earth and that's all it is. It's purely
Speaker 2: like it's chasing the sensation of like the unknown becoming known,
Speaker 2: and I've just sort of put all of my alien
Speaker 2: eggs into this basket hoping that something will happen. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, I'm also just as skeptical because
Speaker 2: I'm I'm also I famously I think I became an
Speaker 2: atheist when I prayed for Nintendo and I never got it.
Speaker 4: So it's well, not yet maybe, but did you get one?
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, but my grandma, but oh but you
Speaker 3: got one. But you got it? Yeah, don't try to
Speaker 3: use me. Don't try We're done.
Speaker 2: We're cooked, bro, my parents and getting back together either
Speaker 2: pastor Rob So?
Speaker 4: Now what shout out pastor Rob? So? I mean, that's
Speaker 4: that's beautiful. I think that's a beautiful and kind of
Speaker 4: universal thing, this idea of being here to witness some
Speaker 4: great discovery, you know, the the concept though also just
Speaker 4: for the more skept to go love us in the crowd.
Speaker 4: You know, you could make a case that a lot
Speaker 4: of the coverage and the and the ink spent on
Speaker 4: this in the press was to sort of move other
Speaker 4: stories out of mainstream conversation, you know, just like, oh,
Speaker 4: we don't have spyplanes, they must be aliens. But don't
Speaker 4: worry about what's going down in this other country that,
Speaker 4: if you're most Americans can't find on a map instead, bro, aliens,
Speaker 4: remember eating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not on our government printed world map. So we
Speaker 2: get like that country doesn't even exist, So I guess
Speaker 2: I don't have to worry about it. Nah, move along,
Speaker 2: all right?
Speaker 1: Well, Ben Bollin, what a pleasure having you on the
Speaker 1: Daylians like geist. Where can people find you? Follow you
Speaker 1: all that good stuff?
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, you can find me on places with social
Speaker 4: media handles going by at Ben Bullen in a burst
Speaker 4: of creativity Benbullan dot com. Check out stuff they don't
Speaker 4: want you to know for critical thinking applied to conspiracy theories,
Speaker 4: check out Ridiculous History, where you can find other than
Speaker 4: the myths and the legends themselves. Some of my favorite
Speaker 4: cryptids of podcasting our own Miles and Jack, which we're
Speaker 4: we're just a scheduling thing away from from figuring out
Speaker 4: we finally get you guys back on.
Speaker 1: Nobody believes we exist over there. It's a weird tweet,
Speaker 1: they say, I'm crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: As a biracial person living in America in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: I feel like we're also cryptids when I write when
Speaker 2: I watched right wing media, Oh what are you though? Exactly?
Speaker 1: I'm a focusmon, give me a box I can put
Speaker 1: you in, please, right? Yeah, Ben, is there work a
Speaker 1: media that you've been enjoying? A tweet or a show
Speaker 1: or a podcast or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, yeah. We recently began the third season of
Speaker 4: a show called Missing. The Missing series this time around
Speaker 4: is Missing in Arizona. It is examining a still unsolved
Speaker 4: disappearance of a guy named Robert Fisher who is suspected
Speaker 4: of doing some very heinous things, murdering his family and ghosting.
Speaker 4: This is an active investigation. Our host John WALLSAC has
Speaker 4: uncovered things that it appears law enforcement missed. So please
Speaker 4: do tune into that, especially if you can help us
Speaker 4: figure out the case. It would mean quite a bit.
Speaker 2: This is so wild to me though, that like we're
Speaker 2: in a place where obviously we know the shortcomings of
Speaker 2: like law enforcement, that now we like as pod in podcasting,
Speaker 2: there are things being uncovered that fucking this is so
Speaker 2: wild to me that, yeah, that's where we're at. We
Speaker 2: may have uncovered things that the fucking cops couldn't or
Speaker 2: couldn't be bothered. I mean, I will. I will let
Speaker 2: people listen, get involved, get into it, get sucked in.
Speaker 3: And help you can.
Speaker 2: This might be one of the few podcasts where you
Speaker 2: might actually be able to help solve like what the
Speaker 2: fuck happened?
Speaker 1: Although you can tell us if you've seen an alien,
Speaker 1: you can also solve that one for us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just while you're up, you know, yeah, I also
Speaker 4: have you seen an alien?
Speaker 1: Just so yeah, amazing.
Speaker 3: Miles.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you as their working media you've
Speaker 1: been enjoying?
Speaker 2: Yeah, find me on Twitter, Instagram at Miles of Gray.
Speaker 2: Find Jack and I on the basketball podcast Miles and
Speaker 2: jackot mat Boosties. Find me talking ninety day Fiance on
Speaker 2: four to twenty Day Fiance. Some tweets I like so
Speaker 2: obviously on people probably know, maybe you don't because you're
Speaker 2: not a hip hop fan, but Kendrick Lamar is going
Speaker 2: to be performing the Super Bowl halftime show, which is
Speaker 2: such a wild So just the tweets around it have.
Speaker 2: I've just been getting a chuckle out. The first one
Speaker 2: is from at Dante V eight said performing at the
Speaker 2: super Bowl in response to a song where the guy
Speaker 2: you were beefing with said he was big as the
Speaker 2: super Bowl is the craziest rebuttling hip on history. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, yep, yep, yep. And then another one is
Speaker 2: from at d dot omen and it's just a fantastic meme.
Speaker 3: Everyone will be able.
Speaker 2: To picture this. It's the Bush doing at the children's
Speaker 2: reading circle on nine to eleven, except it's Drake and
Speaker 2: someone is whispering.
Speaker 3: Is here clearly.
Speaker 2: Kendrick Lamar is doing the super Bowl shower. Uh yeah,
Speaker 2: It's just it's that's that's that's the moment we're in.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Shout out to the West Coast.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the West coast. Let's see tweet. I've
Speaker 1: been enjoying Isabella at leb understore Globe. Glebovich tweeted, we
Speaker 1: were all incredibly touched by your DJ sets. I like
Speaker 1: to always open my handwritten letter as well. You can
Speaker 1: find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore. O'Brien you have
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Speaker 3: We have a Facebook fan.
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Speaker 1: post our episodes and our notes. We link off to
Speaker 1: the information that we talked about in today's episode, as
Speaker 1: well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Myles,
Speaker 1: what song do you think people might enjoy?
Speaker 2: Well, it's a specific song, but I think people should check.
Speaker 2: So there's this group called the Philharmonic. But if the
Speaker 2: main dude is this guy from Sacramento, and he's like
Speaker 2: such a fantastic songwriter, musician like his his he's nailed
Speaker 2: down his like genre, aesthetic, everything is so fantastic. I
Speaker 2: will say that the song I'm gonna recommend is Drugs,
Speaker 2: but really you should watch the Tiny Desk concert of
Speaker 2: the Philharmonic that came out a few months ago. It's
Speaker 2: really fucking good. And this guy is so charismatic in
Speaker 2: this song. Drugs feels like something like what's what's the
Speaker 2: old boy's name?
Speaker 3: Who did Hamilton?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Lynn Manuel, Miranda.
Speaker 2: Lind Manuel Miranda, like lind Manuel. I'm see I've already
Speaker 2: I've already brought him out of my mind because I'm
Speaker 2: like this guy. This guy has such a like this
Speaker 2: is a song lin Manuel Moranda like wished he could
Speaker 2: have written because it's just really good. Anyway, it's called Drugs.
Speaker 2: It's about the first time you contemplate selling drugs because
Speaker 2: economy is so bad.
Speaker 3: But it's done in such an amazing.
Speaker 2: Soulful way. Again, I say, really, just check out the
Speaker 2: Tiny Desk concert of the Philharmonic and that's with a
Speaker 2: k at the end. But this track, if you're looking
Speaker 2: for this single track, it's drugged. But I again I implore.
Speaker 3: You, what's a tiny desk version? All right?
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