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Speaker 1: I got one under each arm. I'm doing two of them.

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Speaker 2: The doctors like, luckily that sick man only bruised your

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Speaker 1: and welcome to season three, fifty five, Episode two of

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Speaker 1: der Day's I Guy You Say, production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 3: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive.

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Speaker 1: Into America's sheer consciousness. And it is Tuesday, September tenth,

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Speaker 2: Never forget, Never forget tomorrow. Yeah, don't stop forgetting tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: It's hey, Jack, oh shit, I feel like this happens

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Speaker 2: every time, and I think of you. It's National ants

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Speaker 2: Dinner Day and also no National Swap Ideas Day. But

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Speaker 3: Right, Hey, let's swap those Thanks so much for coming.

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Speaker 2: Is it cool if I mentioned that in All Hands Tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: From our team. It came from our team. Came from

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Speaker 1: Because for some reason, like we we just can't keep

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Speaker 1: is Jack O'Brien, aka the soup Coock, famous Supercock Jack O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: our Instagram video. We're we're doing video now, folks, a

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Speaker 1: Then we I won't waste everybody's time by figuring out

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Speaker 4: It's Ben Bower. Yes, yes, yes, yes, feels so good

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Speaker 4: to be back. A little bit off kilter here. I

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Speaker 2: For the record, because we are pro soup on the show.

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Speaker 3: You really fun legend?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, your boy, Come get your boy, Jesse Waters.

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Speaker 4: It was off. It was off the rack. No one

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Speaker 1: I saw the headline, yeah, because I was now the name,

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Speaker 2: I think that's this fancy way to spell spell that.

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Speaker 1: Lift out of its Moscow apartment fild. Yeah it's London,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's weird because there were a lot of or

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Speaker 4: they were saying, someone shot this guy. They shot him

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Speaker 2: Could have just been an old ass whale that maybe.

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Speaker 4: Died right ice wraps on. Yeah and they they So

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Speaker 4: the idea of using cetaceans as primarily like surveillance and

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Speaker 4: recon No cat's mad about that one. No, no dolphin

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Speaker 4: this poor guy who was just adorable in his actions

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Speaker 4: and following the story closely. Sorry for all the late emails, folks,

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Speaker 4: I got other ship to do right now.

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Speaker 1: The reason a cat might be mad about you mentioning

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Speaker 1: Wales despies because they also looked into cats Operation Acoustic Kitty,

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Speaker 1: and the cats totally fucked up the assignment.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, it did not go well, damn.

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Speaker 3: Because cats are so orderly.

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Speaker 3: So watch this?

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Speaker 2: Ah fuck? Where'd it go?

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Speaker 4: Right exactly? It's behind you?

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Speaker 2: These like that I remember because like in World War Two,

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Speaker 2: I say this pingers like uh, like this one it

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Speaker 1: I thought this was a very unofficial thing. Damn I

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Speaker 4: It looked sick too.

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Speaker 2: It's like this like fucking navy seal and a dinghy

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Speaker 4: The dolphin is strapped.

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Speaker 4: And like yeah yeah, and this, uh, this is something

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Speaker 4: that I think leads his other conversation. I know we've

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Speaker 4: Team Cetacean, to be honest with.

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Speaker 2: It, Oh yeah, all day, all day.

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Speaker 4: And so I'm still wondering maybe there's someone in the

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Speaker 4: And please use your real name, please, uh and and

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Speaker 4: do the do the social engineering of the Star Wars

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Speaker 4: full first, middle last name, along with like a list

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Speaker 4: of your fears, maybe your.

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Speaker 2: Blood type, and tell us what you know about these

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Speaker 2: Russian spy whales.

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Speaker 4: So that's a search history.

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Speaker 1: Damn, I'm just reading the headline. Whale alleged to be

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Speaker 1: Say police, that's suspicious to me, that's I feel like

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Speaker 2: I feel like you're smarter than that to go out

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Speaker 1: I figured that out, like if if a Russian oligarch

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Speaker 2: It was that or the forty five round that went

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Speaker 1: Was a stick in his mouth. We're not looking too

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Speaker 1: much further than that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a rat in its mouth.

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Speaker 4: There it is, I don't know. Has anyone checked for polonium?

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Speaker 2: Is the question?

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Speaker 3: What's something you think is underrated? Ben?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I got it. This is weird and probably makes

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Speaker 4: And it wasn't just like, you know, it's a bullshit

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Speaker 4: it's a letter and it's asking me for opinions and stuff,

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Speaker 4: when's the last time you guys got personalized male?

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Speaker 2: Uh well, I correspond with that guy, Joseph James DeAngelo,

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Speaker 3: For many years. Yeah, yeah, years. Yeah, it's just like

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Speaker 2: It's like, ask me how I think the Warriors are

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Speaker 3: Killer brother? You know that to step.

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Speaker 4: Like yo, we said we're not going to talk about work.

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Speaker 2: So maybe a year ago, but a full on letter.

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Speaker 2: I haven't had a full on letter sent to me

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Speaker 4: Baby, it'll do.

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Speaker 1: That.

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Speaker 4: Was it just one?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Anybody who has gotten a handwritten letter from Miles beautiful handwriting?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, really a wonderful, a true treat.

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Speaker 2: I was a recipient, and the handwriting analysts are like,

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Speaker 3: But yeah, ship, what is going on with this?

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Speaker 4: How much time? I don't know? You're you're also bringing

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Speaker 4: if I hear about long winded letters being written, now

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Speaker 2: Whereas now it's like, because I think of even how

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Speaker 2: also because you were charged for damn near like every

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Speaker 3: Are send? You send?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a little more intimate. I don't know to that point, man,

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Speaker 4: the eighteen hundreds. Whatever, we'll keep it on here.

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00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 3: I knew it. I told you ghost.

444
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 2: More fucking can you couldn't think of something for our

445
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 2: modern era?

446
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 3: He said he wanted to salt pork.

447
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: Under it, callow and beans, you know me beans.

448
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 4: If you guys heard about oil lanterns.

449
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's trying to do the hello fellow kids thing,

450
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: but he's just batting a hoop.

451
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 4: Down the street with a Hello fellow kids, just skirting

452
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 4: up by my penny farthy.

453
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 3: Yeah right, fishtailing it.

454
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 4: What's up y'all, boy, petty far No. I mean it

455
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 4: reminds me though, like that point about communication nature and

456
00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 4: what what becomes normalized. If you think about it. A

457
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 4: lot of things were horrible back in the day and

458
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 4: still are now. But can you imagine back in the

459
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 4: eighteen hundreds, you would just write a letter and then disappear.

460
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 4: If you came back, you know, months and months later,

461
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 4: nobody would question it. They wouldn't They wouldn't be mad

462
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 4: at you. They would be like, oh my gosh, Jonathan,

463
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 4: you've returned.

464
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, no Ah, I think I would. I would be

465
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 2: doing way better back then. I would do such crazy

466
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 2: dynamic entrances and ship just to find oh, yeah, we

467
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: haven't heard from me. Ah, I missed eighteen hundreds too, man.

468
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 4: Once. Yeah.

469
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 3: There.

470
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Speaker 1: The equivalent of like email spam back then was that

471
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: people just come into a town and pretending to be

472
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Speaker 1: like a prince or something like.

473
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 3: It worked. It worked.

474
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: Hey, another prince just came to town, Yeah, easy to

475
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: Or explorers, like a lot of explorers were just out

476
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: there making ship up being like, yeah, I went and

477
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: I saw this place in South America with three headed women.

478
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: I am actually William Randolph Hurst's nephew. Well please come in,

479
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: and I demand a lot of them, A lot.

480
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 4: Of it, A.

481
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 2: Lot of them, you know what I mean, a lot

482
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 2: of men for that one, Ben.

483
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: What is something you thinks over it?

484
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 4: New cars?

485
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: New cars? Car? This is one that we've recently heard.

486
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, use certified, Yeah, Matt, Matt leave oh

487
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: that too.

488
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 3: I was, yeah, yeah, what do you mean a new car?

489
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 3: What specific aspect of it?

490
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 2: Because I think of like how shitty they break, like

491
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: how they're susceptible to breakdowns, unlike you know, like the

492
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 2: cars of the nineties that are like, yeah, this show

493
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: you can fucking drive into a volcano and it will run.

494
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: But what's what are we talking here with Newton?

495
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, I forget about the costs and the depreciation, all that,

496
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 4: all that adult stuff. Uh, the age of auto surveillance

497
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 4: is fucking Koby. It is bad, bad stuff, right. It

498
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 4: always starts as an opt in thing, right, knock a

499
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 4: few bucks off insurance, or how convenient is it that

500
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 4: we will you know, we'll play the music for you.

501
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 4: You can call uh a car service on your phone.

502
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,239
Speaker 4: But then it becomes mandatory, right, it becomes opt out.

503
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 4: Then it becomes mandatory. And I was looking at you know,

504
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 4: not the high road anybody, but I might buy a

505
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 4: car pretty soon, so.

506
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: I know, right, like a horseless Yeah gold, yes, blooms.

507
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 3: You found an old chest.

508
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 4: I found several to balloons. That's true, that's true.

509
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 3: Uh, not a Studia baker on my flex.

510
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 4: On them with a packerd. Yeah, I'm not above it.

511
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 4: Uh just because Zeppelin prices are.

512
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 3: Crazy, right, I hear that.

513
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 2: I hear that, bro.

514
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, But like, do you guys ever think about that, uh,

515
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 4: the idea that it's normalized to new your location at

516
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 4: all times?

517
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: I think when we talked about it, it was always

518
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 2: like in the context when they're saying stuff like it

519
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: knew about like people's sexual habits, yes, and you're like, yeah,

520
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 2: how I still don't know the mechanics of how. I mean,

521
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: I guess like it could maybe you know, infer from

522
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 2: certain data.

523
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: Points what was going on.

524
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I more so, I think I've

525
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: just grown a thick skin when it comes to surveillance capitalism.

526
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 2: Like I fully just resigned to the fact. I'm like, yeah, dude,

527
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: I don't fucking they got me. They fucking got it.

528
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck I can do to

529
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 2: get out of it.

530
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, they cared too, They've got me. Yeah, Yeah, I

531
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: hope they don't.

532
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 3: Hope no one gives.

533
00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 4: There's some narcissism's paranoia right inherent. I like that idea too,

534
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 4: of of guy, it's so difficult to get to a

535
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 4: human voice on a lot of company lines when you

536
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 4: call it, you know, your one eight hundred or whatever.

537
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 4: Maybe surveillance is like that. Maybe you have to trip

538
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 4: through several levels of weird before you get like the

539
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 4: human intern and it's his or her job to check

540
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 4: on Jack. Yeah, you know.

541
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: This guy just because we find it entertaining quite frankly,

542
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: look at his soup cock.

543
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 2: This guy's he's being pre sliced peeled apples.

544
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 3: I don't like the I don't.

545
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: Like the peela.

546
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 4: I don't like this feel like he'll get down on

547
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 4: some raisins though, Oh yeah, brother, I.

548
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 3: Mean what he started?

549
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: What else am I missing? In terms of like I

550
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: get that all of these have most modern cars have

551
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,239
Speaker 2: GPS because they'll offer like a map navigation thing, but

552
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: they'll be like if you pay, but even if you

553
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: that hardware is in there. I know there's ship like

554
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: a lot of remote capabilities, like in terms of starting

555
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: your air conditioner or like a c or locking or

556
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: unlocking and stuff. But what what other things should keep

557
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: me up at night? And why should I throw my

558
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: car away?

559
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 3: Oh?

560
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 4: Great questions. So in case you were sleeping too well

561
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 4: at night, please remember that we're not too far away

562
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 4: from a future where, you know, like a wet Tesla

563
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 4: dream where in cars are Yeah, that's.

564
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: What I wasn't reacting to the phrase.

565
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: I was reacting warning you got your pupils to tighten

566
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: up like that.

567
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 3: You were looking into the bright light of heavan like

568
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: iron Giant.

569
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 4: So as you're edging into the future, miles. Uh, please

570
00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 4: remember when semi autonomous vehicles become normal, when that infrastructure exists,

571
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 4: there is a possibility I'm not saying a specific country,

572
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 4: but there is a possibility that that could be used

573
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 4: to shut down individual transport. Like imagine if oh, right,

574
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 4: there's a protest or something and.

575
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 3: Oh cars don't work today.

576
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 4: Huh yeah, interesting, I'm gonna.

577
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: Get to downtown. Yeah, this is La. We know people

578
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: don't walk, So test your gangster for the proletarian revolution

579
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: real quick.

580
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 4: I just I know. I sound like the guy with

581
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 4: the sandwich board walking up and down Hollywood or whatever

582
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 4: with some weird alarm.

583
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: To announce some great deals on some gold and jewelry. Yeah,

584
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 1: that's the guy from the sandwich board, Bring back sandwich boards.

585
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: I missed those.

586
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, but I get that. No, I mean that.

587
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: No, I I get what you're saying when you game

588
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: it out to that where we've fully just been like, yeah, dude,

589
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: not even have to drive anymore. It's like, well, then

590
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: what happens if you ever want to go somewhere it's.

591
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 3: That's not your anymore.

592
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so anyway only by you know, Hondas

593
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: and toyotas from from the nineties.

594
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: Basically, if you don't stop jagging off of your car

595
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: because it's watching, it.

596
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: Knows and it's judge, which I don't really appreciate. Yeah,

597
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: in the garage, no one can see. Okay, what a

598
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: fucking miscreant.

599
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 4: This isn't for you, Honda.

600
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 3: Excuse you, excuse you, excuse you. All right, let's take

601
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 3: a quick break. We'll be right back and we're back.

602
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: My voice just want a little Chewbacca there, like, yeah,

603
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: little little which is kind of interesting because it is

604
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: a little wooky, a little wacky, a little Chewbacca, a

605
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: little squatch. All right, So I just want to get

606
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: this out of the way, Okay, me outside the I

607
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: have generally, so you cover conspiracy theories on your podcast

608
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. A type of

609
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory that has generally turned my brain into the

610
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: off position, into the not listening mute position, has been

611
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: anything involving cryptozoology, the study of like mythical animals that

612
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: people wish existed or like are really convinced exists, such

613
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: as sasquatch. I still remember there was a live episode

614
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: of the Cracked podcast around Halloween. We were doing like

615
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: tell us your spookiest story, and friend of the show,

616
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: Ryan Singer, who is a very funny comedian and also

617
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: like into all manners of like trippy shit, came on

618
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: and he like had my ass. He was telling me

619
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: this story about like people disappearing in state parks, and

620
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: he was like plotting it out on maps, and he

621
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: was like, you know, telling the story. And then he

622
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: got to the like what was clearly the climax, and

623
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: I was.

624
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: Like, where is this going to go?

625
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: How do I not know about this?

626
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: And he was like, and before the people disappeared, everyone

627
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: in the area reported smelling ammonia, which is often associated

628
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: with bigfoots, And I was immediately like a fucking balloon deflating.

629
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 4: I was just like, ugh, come on.

630
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: But then he like talked about it. I kind of

631
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: was on board, but it takes a lot for me

632
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: to like get the whole Sasquatch thing. But it's definitely

633
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: like it's not going anywhere. There's a new indie film,

634
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: Sasquatch Sunset that's getting a lot of attention with Jesse

635
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: Eisenberg and Riley Keo, who are like indie darlings, you know,

636
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: like it's it's entered the culture from like reality TV

637
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: and you know, mainstream silliness like Harry and the But

638
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: like now it's like getting into like the like this

639
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: is hip and cool and interesting, like you know, I'm like,

640
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: let's give it another look.

641
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 2: Well there's even today right, like there's like news because

642
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: some janky coin like making company has just launched the

643
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: Bigfoot discovery coin, Like that's still a thing today. They're like, yeah,

644
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: launch it now on Monday. So on Monday, September ninth,

645
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, on over the weekend there was Louisiana

646
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: had their very first Louisiana Bigfoot Festival. Because now it

647
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: seems like rather than it being mostly like a Northwestern phenomenon,

648
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: like it's we're seeing it in the Bayou and in

649
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: the south bast there's a swampy oh yeah, and that

650
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 2: is James Commo out there when he forgot laundry. That's

651
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: that's a real that's a real Bigfoot. And you know,

652
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: like Expedition Bigfoot had a new season just dropped like this,

653
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: like in this last month. It does not go go away.

654
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: And I too, like Jack, because I see it a

655
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: lot on like the internet, even like on Reddit, there's

656
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 2: always like some new Bigfoot thing. I'm like, come on, y'all,

657
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: like really, come on, what is it? What? What the why? Why?

658
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 4: Where is the poop? Just critically, where is like, for

659
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 4: an animal of that size or primate of that size,

660
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 4: where where is the poop? The uh? We know for

661
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 4: a fact, just to back this up, we know for

662
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 4: a fact cryptozoology often considered a pseudoscience. But part of

663
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 4: the reason things considered cryptids do later enter into the

664
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 4: scientific record is because Western scientists got stuff wrong and

665
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 4: they rocked up. You know, just hey, stranger in town,

666
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 4: like we said, and they said, oh, the CIA can

667
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 4: long thought to be extinct for millions of years. Look

668
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 4: at you tear in the heart.

669
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Speaker 1: Of the jungle, and then I do appreciate you now

670
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: speaking in your regular voice and stopping the shark of

671
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: from our modern era and from America.

672
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm merely a British observer of your American Civil War,

673
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: Mike the Chaotic. Oh you're a British civil Okay, got it?

674
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Speaker 4: You didn't Yeah, yeah, yeah, small demographic.

675
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 2: The steal Secrets came from England to be like, oh,

676
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 2: I'm watching this.

677
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: This is you know they did used to watch it

678
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: as a spectator sport, the civil nicks and like, just

679
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: watch the battlefield.

680
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 4: So maybe mass media has saved us from society ship

681
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 4: but uh but yes, like the like the ceiling cant

682
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 4: is a great example thought extinct by Western science, and

683
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 4: then when it was quote unquote rediscovered, everybody living in

684
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 4: that fucking area of the world was like, yeah, this

685
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 4: is the ugly fish. It's been there forever. It's just

686
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 4: we don't eat it. It doesn't taste good either. I

687
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 4: don't know why you guys are making a big deal.

688
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 3: How what do you call it?

689
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: The ceiling, the ceiling can ceiling fan ceil. I did

690
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: write ceiling fan in and I was like, what's he

691
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,479
Speaker 1: talking about? Ceiling? Fan fish.

692
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 4: It's a code phrase.

693
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: C E L C O E L A C A

694
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Speaker 2: N t H.

695
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 4: And you know, no, judgment's just not the prettiest fish.

696
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like it looks like like like an

697
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: old dog that's got like you know, skin tags and stuff.

698
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: You know.

699
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's like the fish, like.

700
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 4: This is this thing exactly, And so that kind of

701
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 4: stuff informs what people think about with crypto zoolog Like everybody,

702
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 4: everybody wants to have some sort of encounter with the wild, right,

703
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 4: everybody wants to be Promethean, Like I found the thing.

704
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 4: It was rumor. Uh. And I think to the question

705
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 4: about why Bigfoot is so fascinating to people, it's really

706
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 4: we're talking about this ancient preoccupation that a lot of

707
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 4: civilizations had with the idea of something that is almost

708
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 4: but not quite us. We don't know if human beings

709
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 4: ever met at actual Gigantapithecus was the largest primate. It's

710
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 4: ten feet tall, weighed over five hundred pounds projected, So

711
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 4: it's maybe I don't know, it's very controversial, but it's

712
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 4: like maybe possible that some version of humans ran into

713
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 4: that and that made the game of telephone. But I

714
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 4: would suggest to you guys that the reason people are

715
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 4: so invested in this bigfoot thing is because it's one

716
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 4: a way to explain things right. Two it is tantalizing

717
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 4: because the way that the argument is constructed, just like

718
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 4: UFO arguments, never really delivers, right Or like what's that show?

719
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 4: The Oak Island money Pit, the brand like five thousand

720
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 4: seasons and they always found something that could be something.

721
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: So I think the longer it doesn't deliver, the more

722
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: strength and the more intrigue it gets because you never

723
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: get a satisfying resolution, and so it just builds and builds.

724
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: It's like a JJ Abrams show, you know, right, So.

725
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 4: Like I talked to extensively talk to people who are

726
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 4: in that community, and they're very for the most part,

727
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 4: very kind, you know, and they're not they're not getting

728
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 4: mad at me if I ask, what I feel are

729
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 4: logical questions like, Okay, if there's a primate this size,

730
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 4: and assuming it's a primate, right, then where if it

731
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 4: is if a good comp is like a gorilla, then

732
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 4: where's the bigfoot nest? Where do they sleep? What's their territory,

733
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 4: what's their range? Subscriber, yeah, what are their subscriptions? What

734
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 4: are their Star Wars names?

735
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: Right, Well, I like the Sasquatch Sunset I read like

736
00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: a brief plot synopsis, and it feels like the Sasquatch

737
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: in that film, or like fairly like they don't seem

738
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: very advanced in their like reasoning, which I feel like

739
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: any version of Bigfoot would have to be for it

740
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: to have like stayed off grid this lines would have

741
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: to have at least invented poop bags, real sleepy poof Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

742
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: that's I.

743
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 4: Mean, that's a great point because also, all right, so

744
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 4: I did ask people about the poop, right, and admittedly

745
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 4: I was a little overly diplomatic about it. I was saying, well,

746
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of our listeners in the crowd

747
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 4: tonight are probably gonna wonder. And every time I asked this,

748
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 4: I would get really good energy back that people would say,

749
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 4: like one guy who started a museum here in l

750
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 4: a j, Georgia, well it doesn't matter, just believe me.

751
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 4: It's a real place. And uh yeah, I asked him

752
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 4: about the poop and he said, yeah, that's a great question. Ben.

753
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 4: Here's what I think. What if they're extra dimensional?

754
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, immediately that's where it goes, they change

755
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: the goalposts.

756
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they don't poop, bro, they poop in another dimension.

757
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: They do that poop in their dimension.

758
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 4: In a pocket poop dimension.

759
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that, just so quickly, just reflexively. They

760
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: might be interdimensional. I always thought the reason why Americans

761
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: had an obsession with Bigfoot was the decline of the

762
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: white working class. Now is there is there anything to that?

763
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: Uh?

764
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 2: No, that was like I was reading this article about

765
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: this guy who wrote a book, and like, apparently it

766
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: comes up a lot, but in a way where people

767
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: are like, what the fuck is this guy talking about it?

768
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 3: Like it's it.

769
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 2: They're saying, it's a lot of dudes who like just

770
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 2: sort of like yearn for the past and being out

771
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 2: and like camping and stuff like that. But at the

772
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: end of the day, like it sounds like people who

773
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: have enough money to go camping for long periods with

774
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: infrared gear probably aren't the kind of working class people

775
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: that they might be yearning for.

776
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: But that is interesting. It started in like the Pacific

777
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: Northwest around the same time that like grunge was being

778
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: created because of the like collapse of the middle class there,

779
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: and now it's like moving down to the rust belt.

780
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: There's that's an interesting theory. I don't know exactly how.

781
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: This author was not articulating it in that kind of way.

782
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: It felt very like maga adjacent, like coment, like yeah,

783
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 2: because like white working men are just like the villain.

784
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 4: Now that's why we whoa okay, okay.

785
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 2: I feel like it could have been maybe a little

786
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: bit more nuanced, but the take felt a little bit

787
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: all over it.

788
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 4: There is a sociological aspect, right, because we're talking about

789
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 4: communities of people who believe in or are somehow taken

790
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 4: with a certain idea. And it's interesting too, you see

791
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 4: it sometimes in recent UFO discourse, right, there is an

792
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 4: underlying sociological factor, Like a lot of this stuff kind

793
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 4: of trends to the right wing of the political spectrum.

794
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 4: And so I think there's a validity to the idea

795
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 4: that people are looking back with the rose colored glasses

796
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 4: on maybe in America that didn't exist, you know, just

797
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 4: sort of this rock wallized version of days past, and

798
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 4: they're thinking, yeah, back then, you could just go out

799
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 4: in the wild, you know, just right, can of soup

800
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 4: in a dream, see some wild animals.

801
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: That like a John Muorish version of conservation where it's like,

802
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: don't let native people sully the view. This is just

803
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 2: for our white gaze to cast them on untouched beauty.

804
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: And that's the old times we yearned for. I'm you know,

805
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: I would love to see a bigfoot. But they're the

806
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: least of all the cryptids. I think they're the least.

807
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: That's the least interesting.

808
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, they kind of like the vanilla ice cream, I guess, yeah, sure.

809
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 4: But the the interesting thing here for anybody who is hoping,

810
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 4: you know, like I would assume, like all of us

811
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 4: hoping to one day see something cool. How awesome would

812
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 4: it be for a large animal to be discovered in

813
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 4: our lifetime? This is one of the moments in history

814
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 4: where it's more likely than it has been at most

815
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 4: times in the past, just because human beings are encroaching

816
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 4: so much in the places that human beings didn't used

817
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 4: to go.

818
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: So even you sound like a guy who's like starting

819
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 2: off to like sell me on a big foot tours, Like,

820
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: but here's the thing, if we were ever gonna see one,

821
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: the time is now because weird. Now, look how much

822
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: money you got, like three hundred dollars, Well, that's exactly

823
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 2: what my tour costs. Man, you're in, let's load up.

824
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think so. In doing additional research

825
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: to the like state parks mystery, the answer seems to

826
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: be that state parks and just generally the world is

827
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: much larger than people can possibly like realize, and so

828
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: people just wander off a trail and get way more

829
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 1: loss than they thought possible in a really short amount

830
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: of time because the state parks are just like endless

831
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: and very untamed, and we as modern people, are not

832
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: used to that sort of thing, and so they just

833
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: wander off and never find their way back.

834
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 4: There's no federal Uh, there's no single federal compilation, a

835
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 4: federal level agency counting disappearances, which which means, yeah, it

836
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 4: can be quite a few people year over year, but

837
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 4: it also means since that kind of agency doesn't exist,

838
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 4: there's no one counting the reappearances. Sure, the guys like,

839
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 4: oh shit, I got kind of stoned. It was my

840
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 4: first time camping. Yeah I'm two days late, but I'm back,

841
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 4: you know now, it's just a disappearance.

842
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: I had a one hundred milligram edible like at the trailhead,

843
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: and I was just actually asleep about four hundred yards in.

844
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: But I do think that's the That is one of

845
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: the good arguments for how something like this could happen

846
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: is how little of like how massive the world is, yes,

847
00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: and also how little of that we've actually official documented

848
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: and explored.

849
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: Right.

850
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: There's obviously the ocean. There's like famous quotes about how

851
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: little of the ocean is known. And but I mean

852
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: it's true of a lot of wilderness, like it weren't

853
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: wasn't the platypus thought to be a crypto a cryptid

854
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: for a long time.

855
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 4: All right, said with great affection you guys, I love animals.

856
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 4: The platypus looks so fuck not to be rude, but

857
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 4: I see it, and I'm like, you still don't believe it?

858
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 4: How the fuck did you get here, buddy? You know

859
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 4: what I mean? Like I haacked this thing together exactly.

860
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's another part of it too.

861
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 4: A lot of times now that people live in increasingly

862
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 4: in conurbations, we're not around the natural world. A lot

863
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 4: of times, we're less familiar with the other things living

864
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 4: out there. So you're already in an unfamiliar situation. You

865
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 4: hear a in the trees, and then you hear some

866
00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 4: noise you've never heard before, and it's like, what you're

867
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 4: not going to know, You're not going to be like, ah, yes,

868
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 4: that's clearly.

869
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: That was me actually my beat. I mean, and also

870
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: that is like when you think about the things that

871
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: nature has invented that seemed completely made up, I guess

872
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: that's the thing that fails to grab me about the sasquatches, like,

873
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: oh we have those, right, Like we have big giant

874
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: apes who can like speak in sign language, Like we

875
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: have things that seem like they were made up.

876
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 4: By a child.

877
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: We have giant squid. Yes, for a long time people

878
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: were fascinated by that as like one of the main

879
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 1: you know, cryptids, and then once we discovered it was real,

880
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: we were like, all right, fuck off, moving on.

881
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 4: I mean, think about how how weird. I mean, you're right,

882
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 4: the natural world is full of all these crazy evolutionary

883
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 4: mixtapes that attempt to solve problems in the past that

884
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 4: may not be as applicable today. Like a giraffe that's

885
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 4: a very specific thing. You know, a lot of insects

886
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 4: in the relationship with plants. I feel like if you

887
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 4: are looking at crypto cryptid type biology, if you are

888
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 4: frightened for some reason the idea of a large undiscovered animal.

889
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 4: You should be much more frightened of fungus because that

890
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 4: stuff is. That stuff's amazing and scary. That's the HBO

891
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 4: Lovecraft stuff.

892
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: Bro.

893
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 2: You don't got to tell me, Bro, I saw Last

894
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: of Us.

895
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 4: Right right, cortisps. I apologize if this feels like it's

896
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 4: old hat, but every time, so like, uh, what do

897
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 4: you guys think about zoos? Do you think they're important

898
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 4: for conversation conservation? Do you think it's more like an

899
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 4: animal jail? What's where on the spectrum you guys?

900
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 1: I think they're fun, and I won't admit that because

901
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: I don't want people to.

902
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 2: Yell at me. I think they're animal jails, and I

903
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 2: think animal jails are cool. How about that? So I

904
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 2: I'll stand on that. I mean, I think, as I

905
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 2: got old, I think the thing is like there's some

906
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: like you know, like in San Diego there's like way

907
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: more space and like there's sort of safari area. But

908
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 2: like when I've been to like urban zoos, like there's

909
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: a zoo in Tokyo where like these fuckers look so sad.

910
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is not a zoo. This motherfucker is

911
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: rotting in a concrete cell for for babies to just

912
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: smear their hands all over the plexiglass and then move

913
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: on like that. I definitely like so in a way,

914
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 2: I like that there is a place to observe animals,

915
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: but the way that it's done, it's like, uh yeah,

916
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: that is there is there a more humane way, like

917
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 2: a way that doesn't bum me the fuck out, like

918
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 2: just so on its face. Like when I go there,

919
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 2: I think you know what I'm talking about. I'm talking

920
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: about the one in uh Wino Park.

921
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 4: Don't love it. I was excited to go, and then

922
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 4: I walked out thinking and yeah, so yeah, yeah, it's

923
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 4: it's rough. But I bring up the zoo question because

924
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 4: you know, one of the great conspiracies about cryptis you

925
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 4: run into, especially with the bigfoot stuff, is people saying

926
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 4: insert cabal here is covering up the knowledge. You know,

927
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 4: what's the Smithsonian doing with all the bones? I assure you, folks,

928
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 4: if the Smithsonian had a ghost of a chance having

929
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 4: any real thing like proof of a contemporaneous Bigfoot, it

930
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 4: would be fucking all over the place with it. You

931
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 4: couldn't get away from it. It would be like the

932
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 4: it would tour the nation in the world. They would

933
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 4: sequence the DNA and try to make a big foot

934
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 4: you her community, and we would be some of the

935
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 4: first people there.

936
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

937
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, have you met someone who has like

938
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: a specialized interest like that, like an archaeology or zoology

939
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: or something. Those people love to share, Like their whole

940
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: thing is wanting more people to be interested in what

941
00:50:59,680 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 2: they do.

942
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 4: They're not going to keep secrets.

943
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, just the thing that could really bring.

944
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: A lot of it up with you.

945
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 3: They're not doing that.

946
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: Ship all right, Let's take a quick break and then

947
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 1: I do want to check in with you real quick

948
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: about the aliens. We'll be right back and we're back,

949
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 1: and Ben, I have been alternately fascinated obsessed by wondering

950
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: why we ever talk about anything else with the prospect

951
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: of first contact and some of the military encounters with

952
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: UAPs otherwise known as UFOs. But I don't want to

953
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: sound silly, so I call them UAPs right right, And

954
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: you know, in reference to what we were talking about

955
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: with animals being fascinating when they're cryptids and then if

956
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: they're actually verified as real, people kind of lose interest.

957
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I feel like not.

958
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: The alien and aliens and alien technology were discovered, but

959
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: there there was this congressional testimony that people all kind

960
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: of paid attention to, was big front page news person

961
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: said wild shit. Congress was like, damn, that is wild.

962
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: And then it just people. I feel like there's just

963
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: been a hush. People have been like, all right, well, yeah,

964
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: we're kind of well, that guy's like credibility. Pretty yeah,

965
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 1: that guy's credibility. Yeah, so it's not exactly the same thing.

966
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: But I do just kind of as somebody who you know,

967
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 1: this is an area of focus, I'm curious to hear

968
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: your summary of what has been going on in that

969
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 1: community over the past months.

970
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent. So the idea is roughly or

971
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 4: for shorthand, you would call it disclosure. And disclosure is

972
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 4: the concept that, as we all know, the concept that one,

973
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 4: some sort of non human intelligent thing is out there

974
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 4: in two that it interacted with the humans, or it

975
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 4: somehow left artifacts or other tangible material evidence, and that three,

976
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 4: for some reason, a bunch of people just do not

977
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 4: want you to know about it. It's super secret, and

978
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 4: that for generations and generations, the human beings a species

979
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 4: notoriously bad at keeping its mouth shut, managed to not

980
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 4: let anyone know until now right, that's the idea of

981
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 4: this guy, until this guy who also has a book

982
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 4: you can buy, you know what I mean? And that's

983
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 4: I think that that's part of it. To level said,

984
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 4: with the congressional stuff, the big, big announcements that were

985
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 4: always always brought to bear or always advertised or signaled

986
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 4: as such. What we see often and is if you

987
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 4: look at what a lot of these guys, these veterans

988
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 4: formed pilots and so on, you look what they're saying,

989
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 4: and they're usually saying something much more nuanced than what

990
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 4: is being reported in a headline. They're saying, hey, I

991
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 4: read a thing that was about a thing that I

992
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 4: have not myself seen, and there's nothing wrong with saying that,

993
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 4: you know, it's kind of it's a paperwork argument, really,

994
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 4: And from that we see these somewhat hyperbolic headlines about, oh,

995
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 4: you know, billions of dollars are being put into this

996
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 4: research and this study, or millions of dollars I don't

997
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 4: forgive the beefit are being put into this and that

998
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 4: sounds like a lot of money until you forget that

999
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 4: millions of dollars is a minuscule drop in a billion

1000
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 4: dollar bucket of global superpowers, and they're putting, you know,

1001
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 4: millions of dollars into all kinds of research that might

1002
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 4: seem crazy. Does you know this is we can't forget

1003
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 4: In the case of the US, this is a government

1004
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 4: where one day, four point thirty on a Friday, some

1005
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 4: guy was coming up with ideas. He looked at his

1006
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 4: cat and he was like, what if what if this

1007
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 4: was also a bomb? You know, And they got pretty

1008
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 4: far with that. So I guess the thing is it

1009
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 4: was tntilizing people have I think I don't know if

1010
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 4: I would say they've moved on. We see less general

1011
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 4: public interest, but the people who are already into it

1012
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 4: are are further and further into it, even though it's

1013
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 4: kind of a jam tomorrow, jam yesterday but never ever

1014
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 4: jammed today situation.

1015
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 2: Right, m hmm, okay, yeah, jam the Michael Jacksons.

1016
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson song, yeah, yeah for me to jam yeah.

1017
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 3: I uh yeah.

1018
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: I've noticed myself become less interested in it. And because

1019
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: because it's they gave us so much homework. It was

1020
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: like a class where they gave us, they went and

1021
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: talked to Congress, and then just so much homework, and

1022
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: there were people being like, I can't believe you believe

1023
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: in this. That is, you are a very stupid man. Here,

1024
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 1: read this really long article about why you're stupid.

1025
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 3: And then you know, just.

1026
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: An endless number of articles where it's like, actually this

1027
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: is kind of intriguing, but like never actually focusing and

1028
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: like on the thing. You know, again, it does feel

1029
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: like there, like you said, there's an amazing amount of

1030
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 1: work being done to just keep the truth just off

1031
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: the edge, just out of focus, just out of reach

1032
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: in a way that seems a little almost too perfect.

1033
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: I can believe that that could be done by a

1034
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: military with tons of funding, more more than I can

1035
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: believe that it's being done by a sasquatch. But I

1036
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: do still find it a little bit hard hard to believe.

1037
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 4: Well back back in the day. One of the things

1038
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 4: that the US government loved during the fifties and you know,

1039
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 4: the forties, the Project Blue Book era. I love the

1040
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 4: idea of aliens because that's a great act that's way

1041
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 4: more palatable than saying, oh yeah, we're also building our

1042
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 4: own crazy ships, but we can't let people know about

1043
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 4: this aircraft and then to that point, man, at some like,

1044
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 4: I'm not saying these folks are bad faith actors at all.

1045
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 4: You know, in some cases, you know.

1046
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: The US military, Yeah, we wouldn't allow you to say

1047
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: that on.

1048
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 4: Our no No idea. Specifically, the people say that they

1049
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 4: saw something weird, they can't explain it. If you go

1050
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 4: to most of those folks who are saying that firsthand,

1051
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 4: the phenomenon, the witness, they're not making these crazy, wacky

1052
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 4: do claims. They're not saying I saw an alien. It

1053
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 4: told me straws are weird or anything like that, and.

1054
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 2: It was facing Superintendent Chalmers and then it looked at me.

1055
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 4: Except yeah, they're saying I saw something I can't explain it,

1056
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 4: and I tried to report it, and I hope that

1057
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 4: someone does something from that. You know, it gets to

1058
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 4: the tease, like imagine, imagine all of us were hanging

1059
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 4: out and for some reason we went to like a

1060
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 4: stage magic show. I don't know why we decided to

1061
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 4: go to a magic show. Yeah you're a.

1062
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: Close up magic yeah, yeah, is that why you're differentiating

1063
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: the stage magic magic.

1064
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 2: Yes, all my magic heads out there, thank you. I

1065
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: do prefer intimate, close up magic. But yes, stage magic.

1066
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, but so we see some guys. Yeah, you know

1067
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 4: he's doing like a magician trick. He's got like a

1068
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 4: box step in the box. Or you know, if we

1069
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 4: do close up magic, like.

1070
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: Pick I'm sing what's in the box like Brad Pitt

1071
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: at the end of seven.

1072
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 4: Yes, as I do.

1073
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, always ruining a magic show.

1074
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 3: That guys here again the box.

1075
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 4: Guy, box guy.

1076
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 3: I didn't catch him at the door.

1077
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 4: So he's so quick, this guy so so. But they

1078
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 4: the idea here like that. I think the comparison is,

1079
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 4: let's go close up magic. Since we got boxed guy

1080
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 4: in the crowd and uh, he keeps They keep saying,

1081
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 4: all right, pick a card, and then they just you

1082
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 4: pick a card. They just keep shuffling. There's never a reveeal.

1083
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 4: So I think people get tired or get become somewhat

1084
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 4: wearied by seeing the constant shuffling without the delivery. And maybe,

1085
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 4: you know, if when this episode comes out, if the

1086
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 4: next day we do get some provable revelation, like physical evidence,

1087
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 4: then I will come back on the show and make

1088
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 4: a Maya kulpa. But I just don't see it happening

1089
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Speaker 4: right now.

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Speaker 2: Okay, my interests have the same thing too, or like

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Speaker 2: it was. I was like, oh shit, they fucking have

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Speaker 2: vehicles that they had hide they pay other fucking consultants

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Speaker 2: to fucking steel. I was like, yes, more because for me,

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Speaker 2: my confirmation bias is set to let me see them,

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Speaker 2: let me see the aliens.

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Speaker 3: Like now, yeah, now now.

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Speaker 4: They have biologic Yeah, we have biologics and they only

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Speaker 4: say non human origin. Yeah is that a particularly.

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Speaker 2: Clever they found in a whale's mouth. But like in

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Speaker 2: that sense, I have such a For me, my appetite

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01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 2: is like, bro, just give me anything, Just give me anything,

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Speaker 2: because I so badly want to I so badly want

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Speaker 2: to be like I want to see this ship. So

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Speaker 2: I'm sort of like a bigfoot person, but like with

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Speaker 2: aliens or not necessarily like I'm gonna believe everything what

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Speaker 2: these people say, but if someone says something about it,

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Speaker 2: that's like getting a lot of pickup. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'll entertain this, yeah, obviously, knowing I need empirical evidence

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Speaker 2: to fully go there. But like, I think that part

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Speaker 2: is more. I think it just excites the part of

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Speaker 2: my brain, which I think is the same same thing

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Speaker 2: with cryptids. It's like I want to feel like there's

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Speaker 2: still another big scientific, existential reveal in the bag for

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Speaker 2: me to witness firsthand. While it's like while I am

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Speaker 2: on this earth and that's all it is. It's purely

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Speaker 2: like it's chasing the sensation of like the unknown becoming known,

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Speaker 2: and I've just sort of put all of my alien

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Speaker 2: eggs into this basket hoping that something will happen. But

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Speaker 2: at the same time, I'm also just as skeptical because

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm also I famously I think I became an

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Speaker 2: atheist when I prayed for Nintendo and I never got it.

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Speaker 4: So it's well, not yet maybe, but did you get one?

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Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, but my grandma, but oh but you

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Speaker 3: got one. But you got it? Yeah, don't try to

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Speaker 3: use me. Don't try We're done.

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Speaker 2: We're cooked, bro, my parents and getting back together either

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Speaker 2: pastor Rob So?

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Speaker 4: Now what shout out pastor Rob? So? I mean, that's

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Speaker 4: that's beautiful. I think that's a beautiful and kind of

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Speaker 4: universal thing, this idea of being here to witness some

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01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 4: great discovery, you know, the the concept though also just

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Speaker 4: for the more skept to go love us in the crowd.

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Speaker 4: You know, you could make a case that a lot

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Speaker 4: of the coverage and the and the ink spent on

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01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 4: this in the press was to sort of move other

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Speaker 4: stories out of mainstream conversation, you know, just like, oh,

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01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 4: we don't have spyplanes, they must be aliens. But don't

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Speaker 4: worry about what's going down in this other country that,

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01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 4: if you're most Americans can't find on a map instead, bro, aliens,

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01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 4: remember eating.

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01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, not on our government printed world map. So we

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01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 2: get like that country doesn't even exist, So I guess

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01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 2: I don't have to worry about it. Nah, move along,

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01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 2: all right?

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Speaker 1: Well, Ben Bollin, what a pleasure having you on the

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01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: Daylians like geist. Where can people find you? Follow you

1147
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: all that good stuff?

1148
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, you can find me on places with social

1149
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 4: media handles going by at Ben Bullen in a burst

1150
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 4: of creativity Benbullan dot com. Check out stuff they don't

1151
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 4: want you to know for critical thinking applied to conspiracy theories,

1152
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 4: check out Ridiculous History, where you can find other than

1153
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 4: the myths and the legends themselves. Some of my favorite

1154
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 4: cryptids of podcasting our own Miles and Jack, which we're

1155
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 4: we're just a scheduling thing away from from figuring out

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01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:11,439
Speaker 4: we finally get you guys back on.

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01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: Nobody believes we exist over there. It's a weird tweet,

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01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: they say, I'm crazy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: As a biracial person living in America in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: I feel like we're also cryptids when I write when

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Speaker 2: I watched right wing media, Oh what are you though? Exactly?

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Speaker 1: I'm a focusmon, give me a box I can put

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Speaker 1: you in, please, right? Yeah, Ben, is there work a

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01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: media that you've been enjoying? A tweet or a show

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01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: or a podcast or whatever.

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, yeah. We recently began the third season of

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Speaker 4: a show called Missing. The Missing series this time around

1170
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 4: is Missing in Arizona. It is examining a still unsolved

1171
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 4: disappearance of a guy named Robert Fisher who is suspected

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01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 4: of doing some very heinous things, murdering his family and ghosting.

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Speaker 4: This is an active investigation. Our host John WALLSAC has

1174
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 4: uncovered things that it appears law enforcement missed. So please

1175
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 4: do tune into that, especially if you can help us

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01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 4: figure out the case. It would mean quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: This is so wild to me though, that like we're

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01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 2: in a place where obviously we know the shortcomings of

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01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 2: like law enforcement, that now we like as pod in podcasting,

1180
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 2: there are things being uncovered that fucking this is so

1181
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 2: wild to me that, yeah, that's where we're at. We

1182
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 2: may have uncovered things that the fucking cops couldn't or

1183
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 2: couldn't be bothered. I mean, I will. I will let

1184
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 2: people listen, get involved, get into it, get sucked in.

1185
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 3: And help you can.

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Speaker 2: This might be one of the few podcasts where you

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01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 2: might actually be able to help solve like what the

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01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 2: fuck happened?

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Speaker 1: Although you can tell us if you've seen an alien,

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01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: you can also solve that one for us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just while you're up, you know, yeah, I also

1192
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 4: have you seen an alien?

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Speaker 1: Just so yeah, amazing.

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Speaker 3: Miles.

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Speaker 1: Where can people find you as their working media you've

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Speaker 1: been enjoying?

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01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, find me on Twitter, Instagram at Miles of Gray.

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Speaker 2: Find Jack and I on the basketball podcast Miles and

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Speaker 2: jackot mat Boosties. Find me talking ninety day Fiance on

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Speaker 2: four to twenty Day Fiance. Some tweets I like so

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01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 2: obviously on people probably know, maybe you don't because you're

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01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 2: not a hip hop fan, but Kendrick Lamar is going

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01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 2: to be performing the Super Bowl halftime show, which is

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01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 2: such a wild So just the tweets around it have.

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01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 2: I've just been getting a chuckle out. The first one

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01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 2: is from at Dante V eight said performing at the

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01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 2: super Bowl in response to a song where the guy

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01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 2: you were beefing with said he was big as the

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Speaker 2: super Bowl is the craziest rebuttling hip on history. And

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yep, yep, yep. And then another one is

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01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 2: from at d dot omen and it's just a fantastic meme.

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Speaker 3: Everyone will be able.

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Speaker 2: To picture this. It's the Bush doing at the children's

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01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,959
Speaker 2: reading circle on nine to eleven, except it's Drake and

1215
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 2: someone is whispering.

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Speaker 3: Is here clearly.

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Speaker 2: Kendrick Lamar is doing the super Bowl shower. Uh yeah,

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01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 2: It's just it's that's that's that's the moment we're in.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Shout out to the West Coast.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to the West coast. Let's see tweet. I've

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Speaker 1: been enjoying Isabella at leb understore Globe. Glebovich tweeted, we

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Speaker 1: were all incredibly touched by your DJ sets. I like

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Speaker 1: to always open my handwritten letter as well. You can

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Speaker 1: find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore. O'Brien you have

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Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist We're

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Speaker 1: at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.

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Speaker 3: We have a Facebook fan.

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Speaker 1: Page and a website, Daily zeitgeist dot com, where we

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Speaker 1: post our episodes and our notes. We link off to

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Speaker 1: the information that we talked about in today's episode, as

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Speaker 1: well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Myles,

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Speaker 1: what song do you think people might enjoy?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a specific song, but I think people should check.

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Speaker 2: So there's this group called the Philharmonic. But if the

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Speaker 2: main dude is this guy from Sacramento, and he's like

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Speaker 2: such a fantastic songwriter, musician like his his he's nailed

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01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 2: down his like genre, aesthetic, everything is so fantastic. I

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Speaker 2: will say that the song I'm gonna recommend is Drugs,

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01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 2: but really you should watch the Tiny Desk concert of

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Speaker 2: the Philharmonic that came out a few months ago. It's

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Speaker 2: really fucking good. And this guy is so charismatic in

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Speaker 2: this song. Drugs feels like something like what's what's the

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01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 2: old boy's name?

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Speaker 3: Who did Hamilton?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, Lynn Manuel, Miranda.

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Speaker 2: Lind Manuel Miranda, like lind Manuel. I'm see I've already

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Speaker 2: I've already brought him out of my mind because I'm

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Speaker 2: like this guy. This guy has such a like this

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Speaker 2: is a song lin Manuel Moranda like wished he could

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Speaker 2: have written because it's just really good. Anyway, it's called Drugs.

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Speaker 2: It's about the first time you contemplate selling drugs because

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01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 2: economy is so bad.

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Speaker 3: But it's done in such an amazing.

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Speaker 2: Soulful way. Again, I say, really, just check out the

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Speaker 2: Tiny Desk concert of the Philharmonic and that's with a

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Speaker 2: k at the end. But this track, if you're looking

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01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,600
Speaker 2: for this single track, it's drugged. But I again I implore.

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Speaker 3: You, what's a tiny desk version? All right?

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Speaker 1: We will link off to that in the footnote for

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Speaker 1: the Daily Zeitkeist of the production of iHeartRadio. For more

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Speaker 1: podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or

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Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going

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01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 1: to do it for us this morning, back this afternoon

1265
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: to tell you what is trending, and we will talk

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01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 1: to you all then Bye bye,