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Speaker 1: Man, we got to the league, like you was just

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Speaker 2: All love. Man, I was looking forward to this.

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Speaker 1: Man when you first got to the league. Who was

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Speaker 1: the first person to bust your ass?

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Speaker 3: I can't say nobody busts my ass. You know, I

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Speaker 3: think Alan Houston gave me the business. I mean, he

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Speaker 3: really bust my ass. But Alan Houston, he was you know,

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Speaker 3: I couldn't figure him out at first. That jump because

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Speaker 2: So I'll say, Alan.

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Speaker 3: Houston kind of gave me the business. But nothing too crazy,

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Speaker 3: not no forty or fifty piece.

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Speaker 2: But it was. It was a tough cover in the beginning.

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Speaker 2: Yo yo yo.

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Speaker 4: We live on location. We out here in h Town. Baby,

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Speaker 4: we came out I got the blackest one and we

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Speaker 4: came out here for an h O f Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Excited about it. You gotta say that a high school

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Speaker 2: Pool, man. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: You turned to a Hall of Famer and you didn't

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Speaker 1: even want to play basketball, like baseball?

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Speaker 2: What's it?

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Speaker 1: I heard the old school guys used to try to

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Speaker 3: So when I was younger, man, I started baseball at five.

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Speaker 3: That was my favorite sport. Even in my NBA career,

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Speaker 3: I was eight years old. I didn't really start playing basketball,

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Speaker 2: But it was because I was bullied.

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Speaker 3: I got older cousins, neighborhood full of guys, and I

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Speaker 3: Cousin used to bully me, and you know, I got

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Speaker 3: Having that opportunity to play against older guys, more experienced

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Speaker 1: You go from playing in the park where it's no

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Speaker 3: So it's good that you say that because I obviously

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Speaker 3: So for people that was had training at that time, right,

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Speaker 3: Whereas you one on one, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: You go out there right away, Oh it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: Just like you know, when we go to the ABCD

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Speaker 2: Themselves, right.

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Speaker 3: So I think as a child in playing one on

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Speaker 1: Was that your first time going to ABCD camp when

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Speaker 3: I didn't know anything about ABCD camp. I ain't know

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Speaker 3: You know, I grew up in the town ten thousand

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Speaker 3: I played what it was a ybioa or I played

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Speaker 2: No, that was my first cause you knew it was

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Speaker 1: You know, you got to fly all the way across

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Speaker 2: It was opportunity.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was something that I was seeking

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Speaker 1: I was couldn't nobody see No, I was one of

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. People, and you know, my

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Speaker 2: I was like, Damn had sixteen and he's a PG.

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Speaker 3: Hearing about all these top high school players, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I want to test that out, you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, Damn,

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Speaker 2: I was at that camp.

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Speaker 3: It was some nice elite talent in that camp, But

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Speaker 4: So before you went to D's camp, you was averaging

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Speaker 4: like what in high school?

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Speaker 3: I was like twenty twenty five and twelve rebounds like

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Speaker 3: Yeah no, And but I was in such a small

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Speaker 2: Was football football. I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: It really wasn't that many basketball players coming out of

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: They didn't even want to let me in they know

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Speaker 3: And then after that first my first game was y Lo.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you crazy Parking. I told you I

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Speaker 4: He like he cold, he like nobody know nothing about him.

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Speaker 3: No, it was it was fairly dick fairly Dickens and

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Speaker 2: And the way the course was lining up. Bro was like,

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Speaker 4: He was all, don't not if you're on one court,

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Speaker 2: It was like there, it was like bro.

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Speaker 4: And like he said, the competition, like I'm going from

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Speaker 2: The boys was out there for real Broke.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that was to me, although you know I

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Speaker 1: I was there playing ride home back to the crib

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Speaker 3: Was that it was it was life changing. You know

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Speaker 2: This is it. This is it.

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Speaker 4: That's the point on top of the whole week.

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Speaker 3: If you thought all that prior to this was a flute,

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Speaker 3: Leave you with this, and that was it. Man, that

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Speaker 2: I know you did it.

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Speaker 3: Now, I may sound crazy, but when I went when

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Speaker 3: When I went back and saw I was like, you know,

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Speaker 3: You transferred to senior year. Yeah, I was in North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: He went to get more competition.

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Speaker 3: I went to Mount Zone to get national competition that level,

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Speaker 3: No, you know, I was highly pleased the talent that

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Speaker 3: lessly from Flint, Michigan. Raise ain't nice right then? He

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Speaker 1: Like it's kind of when you're playing on a team

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Speaker 2: How was that? Listen? Bro?

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Speaker 3: So actually into my senior year after that camp, I

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Speaker 3: Man. We started playing in these big arenas, selling them joints.

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Speaker 3: We played in the ding Don't where Tar Hills played,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, it's showtime. I could not believe I'm actually

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Speaker 2: And let's go. I want to see what it's about

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Speaker 3: You know, when you you're adrenaline flowing, it's like you

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Speaker 2: I attacked it because I relished that.

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Speaker 1: Do you think about college? Was it any other college

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Speaker 1: that that almost got you?

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Speaker 3: I'm wearing my adopted college colors right now. I was

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 3: It was crazy is my brook. My freshman year, they

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Speaker 3: did anyone y'all take a visit?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I did. Wow like.

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Speaker 4: That.

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Speaker 2: I walked in there and y'all this is just for y'all.

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Speaker 3: This is how y'all live in That's so on top

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm coming to Kentucky. You dog, I don't

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Speaker 2: No more, see nobody else.

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Speaker 3: Nah, I'm going to Kentucky. You know, Kentucky was it

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00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:08,679
Speaker 3: until Adidas came to the table.

442
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to ask you too, Like Adidas

443
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:15,160
Speaker 1: offers you twelve million in high school, you're basically still

444
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 1: in high school. Like, if today's now, how these kids

445
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 1: can get the money now? That twelve million would have

446
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 1: been what you think.

447
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 2: That would have been about seventy.

448
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 4: That's basically I mean that the move just started a movement.

449
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 4: When you talk about that, like you was like one

450
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 4: of the first kids go straight from high school to

451
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 4: the pros and then come straight out the gate with

452
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 4: the bad stupid bag, your your shoot deal bigger than

453
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,919
Speaker 4: your regular contract. You the first.

454
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 1: So that's a move that started a MOVEE you started

455
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 1: that MOVEM Yeah that nice back?

456
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 2: So so like what that be like though? Like when

457
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 2: you when you get like you you get that phone

458
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,919
Speaker 2: call it like yeah, so they gonna will you like

459
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 2: what what? You know? It's crazy? Bro?

460
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 3: So I signed the deal. I wanted to see what

461
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 3: a half a million dollars look like in cash, and

462
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 3: I had I had you know, uh that pulled out

463
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 3: and I just had it on the tape on my bed.

464
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 2: Bro, I just had it on looking at it.

465
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 3: I just had it on my bed just rolling around

466
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 3: like damn, bro.

467
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 2: This is real. This is real? Right then? This is

468
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 2: real because where I come from. You know what I'm saying.

469
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 3: I grew up in Florida, Tampa, Orlando, I'm dead center,

470
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,479
Speaker 3: and in my county. I grew up in the biggest

471
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 3: county in Florida. But in my county and where I

472
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 3: grew up in my neighborhood, I grew up in the

473
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 3: biggest drug hold in that county.

474
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 2: Right.

475
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 3: So, if it wasn't for the structure that I had

476
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 3: within my my house, you know who knows, I probably

477
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 3: would have deviated off course.

478
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 2: And I'm saying, you grew up in the hood.

479
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 3: Man, you see crackheads all the time, you know, and

480
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 3: as a teenager you get a little curious and and

481
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 3: want to try to test something out, not knowing. If

482
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 3: I didn't have that structure, who knows what would have happened,

483
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So for me at eighteen

484
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 3: years old, to retire my mom, you know what I'm saying.

485
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: My mom was a.

486
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,719
Speaker 3: Housekeeper at Disney, my grandmother worked thirty something years as

487
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 3: a custodian at my elementary school, and my dad worked

488
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 3: at a fertilizing plant. So for me at eighteen years

489
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 3: old to retire my peace, you know at an early

490
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 3: age that.

491
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:33,479
Speaker 2: The impact on my life and my family. Nothing can

492
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 2: supersede that. Nothing.

493
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: Did it make you want it? Even want more? Out

494
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 1: of the resolutely? Yeah?

495
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 3: I wasn't satisfied for just you know, making it to

496
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 3: the league and receiving a twelve million dollar contract.

497
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 2: I wanted more.

498
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 1: You know they got the nil stuff with the college kids. Now,

499
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: well that would have kind of changed something. If you

500
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 1: can get that twelve million form Adidas and still go

501
00:23:54,280 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: to Kentucky. You know what, I don't know, man, cause

502
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: like kids like you can get this money now, and

503
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: you don't got to skip a process to get it.

504
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 2: Because we had to skip the process to get the money.

505
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 2: I think it would have been.

506
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 3: A long drawn out process, whereas to when Adidas came

507
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 3: to the table with the twelve million, it was instant,

508
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 3: I'm going to I'm going to the leg you know

509
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So it would have been would have

510
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 3: to wait pros and cons whatever that is.

511
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, Like, what is it now?

512
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 1: Because like y y'all, U KG Kobe Jamain O'Neil, like

513
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 1: y'all guys wrote the book the blueprint for me going

514
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 1: into the two thousand, like it was the blueprint of

515
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: the process and everything, Like y'all, process showed me a

516
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: different thing. But now, like you don't have to skip

517
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: no process. If you can get a million dollars coming

518
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: straight out out of high school, or you can get

519
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: a million dollars, you can be making millions before you

520
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: even left to go to college.

521
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 2: You can make it your junior year school.

522
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I definitely think it would have been something

523
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 3: worth really dissecting. And I still don't know which way

524
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 3: I would have leaned, but it would have been a

525
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 3: process of you know, doing my due diligence and trying

526
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 3: to figure it out, you know what I mean. I

527
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 3: don't know if there's a wrong decision, and it's when

528
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 3: when you could get twelve millions to be able to go.

529
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 2: To college or the pros. I don't think that's a

530
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 2: wrong decisions.

531
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 4: How was your process when you like, all right, you declared,

532
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 4: you know you got to go, but now you got

533
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 4: to go work out for teams?

534
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: Did you have to go do a lot or a little?

535
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 3: Bro I went to like twenty something teams. You ain't

536
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 3: say I worked out for twenty something.

537
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: Still twenty some teams.

538
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 4: I went to like twenty team see, but like a

539
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 4: handful you know how the topic guys.

540
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: Six or eleven were crazy.

541
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 4: Because what you and KG and Kobe did, he was covered.

542
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 4: He came out paid it away from me like this,

543
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 4: like okay.

544
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: What's going on? Like he's the next week? One of them?

545
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: Anyone near.

546
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 4: Nah?

547
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 3: But it was it was like twenty something teams, And

548
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 3: it was two of them that I actually absolutely hated.

549
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 3: Which one It was Boston six with Rick Patino and

550
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: it was New Jersey with John Calipari. I hated him.

551
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 3: Hated that work, especially Rick Potino, like bro.

552
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: I heard they had brutal workouts. Brutal thing was conditioning.

553
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 3: Brutal full court, one on one. It was a lot

554
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 3: of conditioning. I guess that's just a competitive spirit, you know,

555
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 3: competitive you know, nature tests just to see if you

556
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 3: really gonna compete. I'm saying, more so really trying to

557
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 3: keep somebody in front. How you're gonna react if that

558
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 3: man busting your ass out here? You know what I'm saying,

559
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 3: You're gonna fold or you're gonna keep coming back.

560
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: What is it gonna be? Who did you want to

561
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 2: go to and who did you thought was gonna get you?

562
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 3: I didn't really care. Yeah, it was just anybody. I really,

563
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 3: I really care. When I talked to Isaiah Thomas with Toronto,

564
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: he told me informed, He's like, yo, if you're sitting

565
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: around now, yeah, Golden State was a pick before, but

566
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 3: I think I was pretty much set on. You know,

567
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 3: where I got picked is where I thought I was

568
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 3: gonna be selected.

569
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 4: What was that moment like for you when you get

570
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 4: your name called and you walk across that stage and

571
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 4: you shake David's starting hand, knowing like you know everybody

572
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 4: you ever known watching you see in this moment and

573
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 4: you are you saying you tying your family right now,

574
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 4: you achieving that goal that you worked for.

575
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 2: What was that moment like for you?

576
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: It was such a surreal feeling, man, And it was

577
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 3: for me it was providing hope for people back home.

578
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

579
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: We all have you know, those local celebrities and guys

580
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 3: that came before us that should have been in the

581
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 3: NBA have made it on that level. But you know,

582
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 3: due to whatever circumstances. So for me, you know, coming

583
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 3: from a small town, was just all right, we got

584
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 3: one in. You know what I'm saying, Let me do

585
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 3: do my job to really inspire the guys back home

586
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 3: just about that hope.

587
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: So that's what it was for me.

588
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, family was just crazy. You had the whole family.

589
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: There and my mom and my grandmother, oh yeah, and

590
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: they had the experience with.

591
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: Oh man, my mom, my grandmother. Yo. I mean you

592
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: know they still got the stuff at the house now though, you.

593
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: Know that getting rid of anything, letting nothing go, you

594
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

595
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 3: I walk in the house and to the left, she

596
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 3: got everything, all the trophies and all that stuff.

597
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 4: Man.

598
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 3: But it's satisfying It's gratifying, you know what I'm saying,

599
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: to be able to put your family in that position

600
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 3: and see you know, your grandmother and that light and

601
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 3: your mom and that light, and knowing that that struggle

602
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 3: is over. That's most important to me. Like that struggle,

603
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: like Mom, you got to go work for nobody about.

604
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: I want you to enjoy life. Man.

605
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Whatever you want to do,

606
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: whatever you dreamed about doing, you could do that.

607
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: You can do that.

608
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: That's what That's what I wanted. That's what I always

609
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 3: wanted for my grand man. My grandma always wanted to

610
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 3: live on the lake because she loved fishing. She used

611
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 3: to have me on that bitch six in the morning, bro, fishing.

612
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying out there, My.

613
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: Grandma is twelve hours, bro. I used to be out

614
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: there at my fishing day. You gotta get up early,

615
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: six in the morning. You can't go fishing and start

616
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: at twelve. When you're with them grandmamas, you gotta get

617
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: up talking about they loaded up sandwiches, everything.

618
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: Sausages great. You know my.

619
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying sitting out there, no life jacket.

620
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 3: I don't say my grandmother can swim. Shit, I barely

621
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 3: can swim. Yeah, I couldn't swim at the time, but.

622
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: He was out there.

623
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 3: It taught me patience though, you know what I'm saying.

624
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: Being out there with my grandmother on that lake twelve

625
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: hours taught me patients. While all my friends is probably

626
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: out playing pick them up bus, some football, or they

627
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: got their games going on, I'm out here chilling on

628
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 3: the lake.

629
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: Man, you old man. Now I heard the fishing is

630
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: really into your thing. Now you're back on your fishing

631
00:29:58,920 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: to really heaven.

632
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: I was during the pandemic.

633
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: You know, my schedule have since picked up since we opened,

634
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, during the pandemic, but I was on I

635
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: was driving like an hour away to go fish. You

636
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.

637
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: It was just it's so peaceful for me.

638
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you went Toronto now and you got the great

639
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: Isaiah Thomas up top, you know what I'm saying. Now

640
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: you're playing and you're on the team with a bunch

641
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: of veterans, Like a bunch of bunch of veterans.

642
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: How was your first year in Toronto? You know you

643
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: in you're in Canada.

644
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, your steady crossing state lines and coming all the

645
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: way over the United States playing all these teams. Your

646
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: schedule is kind of different than most because you're coming

647
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: from Canada. Like, how was your first year with the

648
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: travel and just the season.

649
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: And it was a nightmare.

650
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a nightmare because I you know, a

651
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: lot of people think president, you know, GM, head coach

652
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 3: is all on the same page, or owner ownership all

653
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 3: on the same page. Far from the truth, they was new. Yeah,

654
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 3: it's far from the truth. So Isaiah Thomas wanted me.

655
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 3: My head coach didn't didn't really care for a high

656
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: school player, Like, you know, you're trying to teach his

657
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: high school player, what do you know? But anyway, he

658
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 3: was old school, you know what I'm saying. Didn't get me,

659
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 3: no structure, It didn't challenge me or anything. It was

660
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: just throwing me out there and I was just leaving

661
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 3: me to figure things out of our own. And that

662
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 3: was very challenging. And you know, we was clashing heads

663
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 3: a lot.

664
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: Bro.

665
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 3: I can remember times where I'll do something, maybe do

666
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 3: a turnover something and I come out of the game.

667
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: We're going to the locker room. After the game, I

668
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 3: probably played five seven minutes. He talking about met by

669
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 3: twenty and the blame is on me, bro what So

670
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: I couldn't really process that.

671
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: Eighteen years old. I couldn't process that.

672
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 3: So I wasn't going to allow that man to beat

673
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 3: me down like that. You know, we were going at it.

674
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 3: I think Isaiah Thomas recognized that, you know what I'm saying.

675
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: And the first half of that season, Butch Carter was

676
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 3: my assistant coach at the time, and he ended up

677
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 3: taking over because Darrel Walker got fired and Butch laid

678
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 3: it out.

679
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 2: Kid.

680
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 3: He used to call me, kid, kid, you want to

681
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 3: play twenty minutes, donna have to do this, this and This'

682
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: Like cool, right, I understand that you're gonna have to

683
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 3: get in here early, You're gonna have to work with

684
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 3: such and such if you want to, you know, get

685
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 3: these minutes. You have to stay after, you're gonna come

686
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 3: in and watch film. I get it. I'm cool with that.

687
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: But I just needed, you know, somebody give me some structure.

688
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 3: I could do all that I'm willing to do. I

689
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: want to do that because you know, I love this game.

690
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: So he gave me that, and man, from that point on,

691
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: you know, I just started rising up and leveling up

692
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 3: to where I felt confident that I really can play

693
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 3: in this league. But you know, we won sixteen games

694
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 3: that year.

695
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: Bro? What you doing?

696
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: They don't understand the sixteen game? When you win sixteen

697
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: out of eighty two? Bro, I did it twice when you.

698
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: Went sixteen two? We want sixty games in the third quarter? Like, yeah,

699
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: what were eating tonight?

700
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 4: You know?

701
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: What are we doing develop a young player?

702
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 4: How was it for you when you saw they drafted,

703
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 4: they got evinced and you know that's that's your family

704
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 4: all to play there you together and he already gonna

705
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 4: be a start coming.

706
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: How was that to know you about?

707
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 3: I had a lot to do with that, you know,

708
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 3: I told but I was like, Yo, we gotta get

709
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 3: my cousin over here.

710
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: Bro, you know what I'm saying.

711
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 3: Like, first of all, I think he's the most gifted

712
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: dude in his draft. He definitely was definitely definitely got

713
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 3: We gotta get him.

714
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: But it was for me, I like to sit back

715
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: and I like to listen. I like to.

716
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 3: Learn, and to have him his rookie year and reach

717
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: start him like that, right because I knew my time

718
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 3: was gonna come, it just wasn't at that moment. So

719
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: to have him flourished the way he did it was just,

720
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: you know, sit back and learn from how he handles

721
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 3: that his rookie year.

722
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: Yo. I couldn't.

723
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: I remember the first dunk that he he back dunked

724
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: on mother's boiler line.

725
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: I said, oh, it's smoking.

726
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: The city, brof.

727
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: This dude was doing his rookie year. Man.

728
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 3: I could not believe a human was doing that.

729
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: One of the benefits of us being so close and

730
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: playing to each other. If you're going through something with

731
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: the coach, you're going through some of the team in

732
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: the situation, he always had somebody that was in the

733
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: locker room with him, not like your friend you got

734
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: at home when you been going be like, man, this happening.

735
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: He instantly taking my side because I'm snapping. But I

736
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: was there and we can bounce off of here. Yead demands.

737
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: You was tripping like that one. Yeah, I'm with you, bro,

738
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: But you was tripping?

739
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: Was that what you?

740
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: And vinced it like, man, I got somebody in the

741
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: locker room that understands where I'm coming from, see the

742
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: work I'm putting in and getting.

743
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 3: They we you know who we had on that team,

744
00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 3: Charles Oakley, Kevin Willis, Muggsy Bowls, Dale Curry, d Brown,

745
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: Tonio Davis.

746
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

747
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: So they held us accountable, you know, I mean we

748
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,479
Speaker 3: couldn't get away with him. Yeah, we had some real

749
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 3: O g's. And when I say OG's, Oak is the

750
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 3: og of all ogs. Like we felt like big brother.

751
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You got a bunch of

752
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: big brothers in the neighborhood and somebody messed with you.

753
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, you go pick a fight,

754
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 3: smack him on the head, and run behind your brothers.

755
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: Like that's how we were big. That's how we were.

756
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: You know.

757
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 3: Oak was like, y'all ain't touching my young fellers. Y'all

758
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 3: ain't y'all ain't messing with But if you find one

759
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 3: of them hard, it's.

760
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: People don't know.

761
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: Like when I was in Cleveland, Oak was like retired

762
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 1: and he's from Cleveland. And when I was in Cleveland,

763
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: Oak used to invite me over his house all the

764
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: time and cook everybody. People don't know that the loving

765
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: part of Okay. They always put out that, oh, he's

766
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: fighting and all this stuff, but that's not true. That's

767
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: why a lot of players respect him because He shows

768
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: a lot of love and he loved hard.

769
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: One of the most genuine dudes you ever meet. Yeah,

770
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Just he rocks with you, man.

771
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: And you know, even to this day, I still talk

772
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 3: to Oak. But man, he used to invite the whole

773
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 3: family over to the crib and cook for us.

774
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

775
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 3: You invite your whole teammates, your whole team, coaches and

776
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 3: everybody into your home. You're a good brother man, because

777
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: a lot of people, you know, just they just don't

778
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 3: have that in them to do that, you know what

779
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 3: I'm saying. They just like to be with yourself, no

780
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 3: no offense to it. But Oak is inviting, you know

781
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. He welcomes that. And we had just

782
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 3: I think it allows a team to really gravitate towards

783
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: each other and that bonding, you know what I'm saying,

784
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 3: because they could just sit around, tell some stories, you know,

785
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 3: drink their crown or whatever they was drinking, and enjoy.

786
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: My senior year was the All Star Game in the

787
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: Bay Area. My senior year, and I mean, we had

788
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: a game that night and I left the game soon

789
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: as the game was over.

790
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: I'm running out. I'm running out.

791
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: Because you and and Vince is finna be in the

792
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: dunk contexts was about.

793
00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: To be in a dunk contest?

794
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: What made you choose to like you seen Vince doing this,

795
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: this all? What made you choose to be like, nah,

796
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it with him. Man, We're gonna do

797
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: it together.

798
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: Now.

799
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: It wasn't like that. Yeah, he had to convince me.

800
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 3: I heard that he had to convince me. And I'm

801
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 3: talking about probably to the last hour.

802
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

803
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 3: So I'm like, bro, because you know, we lived in

804
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 3: the same building, and I'm like, cauz, what the hell

805
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 3: I'm getting in this dunk contest? And you with it like, well,

806
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: we know what's gonna happen, you know what I'm saying, Like,

807
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 3: I'm not for losing it, Like come on, man, you

808
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 3: know it'll be good exposure for you and this and

809
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 3: that I'm just turning him down, Like, nah, bro, I'm.

810
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 2: With you every day. I see what you can do.

811
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: I can't do that.

812
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 3: You wanted to estimate yourself because you can't. Man, you creative.

813
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: I'm creative, but that ship you on, that's that's that's

814
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 3: another level.

815
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 2: Bro. So I just sucked it up. Man. All right, bro,

816
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: that's go, let's let's do it.

817
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 3: But man, that first dunk set the tone three sixteen.

818
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 2: That on TV. But yeah, what was like when that

819
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: happened and you contestant to lead up to the lead

820
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: up to it.

821
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 3: I didn't know he was about to do that. I

822
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: didn't know he was about to do that. So I

823
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 3: think who was it was stack House? It was me,

824
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 3: Steve Francis Francis, Yeah, boy, when he did that dunk,

825
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: everybody looked at Jerry Stackhouse.

826
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 2: Yea follow that.

827
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 3: I was like, good luck, brother, boy, that's a hard

828
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 3: following right there.

829
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: That was tough.

830
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: If it was anybody else, you would have won that

831
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: that dunk context.

832
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean you would say, you know, I

833
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 2: would say me and Steve put on.

834
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: Credit a good show. But I mean, Vince just you

835
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 3: know that's did you know you're going to go between

836
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 3: his legs off the boux?

837
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: No, we didn't. We didn't practice that. That That was

838
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 2: just random, like I was in bounced in front of

839
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 2: we just we know. That was just that was the show.

840
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: That was like one of the most my like one

841
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: of my NBA memories. Like that's always sticking in my

842
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: head that weekend because I ran home, got over my

843
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: homeboy house and watched that and it was just we

844
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: was hyped, like we was there. That's how it was

845
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: hyping you, Steve and listen.

846
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: We almost didn't make it because of the traffic and

847
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 3: it was raining like crazy that night and we got

848
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 3: stuck in traffic. I wasn't tripping. I wasn't tripping on

849
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 3: Vince to tell you, I want trip like it I will.

850
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 4: That was part of like taking it all the way

851
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 4: back and bringing it for like, right, you remember when

852
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 4: we first got we first got drafted. The first thing

853
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 4: we ever went to there was anything with those summer groove, So.

854
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: We get that.

855
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 4: And this was the year right after y'all did that,

856
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 4: and like remember we pull up this next summer you and.

857
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 2: Vince getting out the rolls, Royce going in the hotel

858
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 2: were like we.

859
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 4: Just was like, oh, that was when Vince had a

860
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 4: little teacher what was it the T shirt where he

861
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 4: was going to we like and then it was like you.

862
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: Know who was that was like the who's for the league?

863
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 4: Like everyone from KG to Twaan Walker he playing the game.

864
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 4: But I got that like ivery sing with it like, Bro,

865
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 4: when I got there, like that was like for real

866
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 4: my introduction to league, Like, yo, this is what this

867
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 4: is like every time it was like and I really

868
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 4: felt like you know, because everybody was super cool.

869
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: It was solid.

870
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 3: That was a great time. Man, Joe had the lead

871
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 3: rocking then in the summer time with that summer groove

872
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 3: because everybody and their mama came down there.

873
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: Bro, first class, I know how, Like you always wanted

874
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: to show your opportunity in Toronto so that you get

875
00:40:58,920 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: the opportunity of.

876
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 2: The lead, Like because Orlando the crib.

877
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: That's why you went to Orlando, or could have been

878
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: like other in the free agency, could have been like

879
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: other teams that you possibly went.

880
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think other teams Toronto. They were just

881
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 3: competing against me going back home. That's all that was.

882
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 3: You know, high and tight people like man, you shouldn't

883
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 3: have neft left Toronto. Well y'all never would have said

884
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 3: that Grant Hill was healthy in Orlando.

885
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. So it was just.

886
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 3: A matter of other teams competing against me wanting to

887
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 3: go back and play home. It was nothing against Vince.

888
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 3: There was nothing against Toronto. It was nothing against no

889
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 3: other you know, Miami wanted me back and Chicago wanted

890
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 3: me so bad.

891
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: Did you almost get traded though? For was it Scott?

892
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: It was Draft night? On Draft Night, Draft Night, almost.

893
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 3: Got traded for Scotti. They the night before the draft,

894
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 3: Jerry Krause called agent, got me up twelve o'clock at night,

895
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 3: had me go to a secret location to take a physical.

896
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 3: It was about to go down, but MJ made the

897
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 3: calls like, Yo, if y'all do that, I'm retiring. So

898
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: we stopped that real quick. And then when I was

899
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 3: a free agent in ninety nine two thousand, after that season,

900
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 3: he came back again trying to get me. Jerry Fraust,

901
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 3: what I tell you rolled out the red carpet, Bro.

902
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 3: I mean, well, as soon as I got off the plane,

903
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 3: they had a band, they had a chi leaders, they

904
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 3: had Bennie the Booney, they had him there.

905
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 2: I walked through.

906
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, they had the red carpet, Bro. So

907
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 3: I go, I go there. I go to the Chicago

908
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 3: Cubs game man Elton brand We had the Chicago Cubs

909
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 3: man throughout the first pitch and I'm sitting in the dugout, bro,

910
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 3: and then I look up and I got they got

911
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 3: the plane, you know, with my advertising on, I was like, damn,

912
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: welcome to Chicago or whatever it said. I remember, and

913
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 3: then they sent me a tape bro Oprah Oprah speaking.

914
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: To mess all again.

915
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: Man, it was just you know Orlando, because I used

916
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: to ride by the arena all the time, and I

917
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 3: told my mom, was I gonna be playing for them

918
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: one day?

919
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: When did you hear it?

920
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: Like it's a possibility of granted Duncan coming with you too?

921
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 2: To know, no, no, no, me going with them before yet.

922
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, what I'm saying is they were recruiting both of

923
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 3: them before they was recruiting me. Got a thing. Okay,

924
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 3: I'm only in my third year. I was a bench player.

925
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

926
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 3: I came off the bench. You're talking about Tim Duncan

927
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 3: and Gray Hill, and I was just throwing in there.

928
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 3: But once I found out what happened with the Tim

929
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 3: Duncan situation, I.

930
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 2: Mean, please enlighten us.

931
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 3: I know I still haven't had that conversation with Doc,

932
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 3: so it's speculation. You know what I'm saying that he

933
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: wouldn't allow Tim Dunker. I guess Tim Duncan wanted, you know,

934
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 3: his spouse to travel on the play, you know, to

935
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 3: some of the games or whatever on the road, and

936
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 3: Doc would and allow that. So that was a deal

937
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: breaker for him. And that's anyway something dude, That's what

938
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 3: I heard, And that was a deal breaker. That's why

939
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 3: Tim duncan and so wow, that.

940
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 2: Could have changed the whole course getting the one. Yeah,

941
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: the whole.

942
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 3: Course of history would be then that's like the ultra

943
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 3: universe for sure. That could have been a game changer,

944
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: and a lot of people lives the trajectory of the

945
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 3: league back then.

946
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, we came in in two thousand and of course

947
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: I knew who you was, and I hadn't watched your

948
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 1: games and pantition in your career, but you wasn't playing

949
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: how you was playing when you got to Orlando. We

950
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: played out in LA and you had like thirty six

951
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: or like thirty eight, and I was like, man, how

952
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: he get that good? Like just overnight like that. He

953
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: wasn't even playing like that last year. And you instantly

954
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: just went to like cause like when we got to

955
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: the league, Kobe on the perimeter and you and then

956
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: it was like Ray Allen and everybody else but you

957
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: and Kobe was like totally different from everybody else.

958
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: Like what was the jump?

959
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: Like where we missed it at that You went from

960
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: like Toronto and then you got this Orlando magic jerse.

961
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: You instantly top five and scoring, you instantly like the

962
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: team just didn't flip the scrist and changed completely.

963
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: It was opportunity waiting those liberation.

964
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, we all want that as a player, right, you

965
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: know what I mean? So again, I go from being

966
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 3: a role player in Toronto my last year there, to

967
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: being handed the keys. You know, I was the first

968
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 3: player to sign a MAX contract as a bench player,

969
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So it was just opportunity.

970
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 3: It was a liberation for me to have that freedom

971
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 3: to go out and do what I do. I didn't

972
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 3: know I was going to be a twenty five point

973
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 3: score you know, maybe twenty you know, have six sys

974
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: spy rebounds something like that. But you know, I put

975
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 3: in a lot of work and I trusted that work

976
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 3: that I put in, and you know the result of that,

977
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: I had a phenomenal year.

978
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 4: Tell me, like, it had to be somewhere between Toronto

979
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 4: and Orlando, though, when and how did you develop one

980
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 4: of the most deadly is damn hangs with me to

981
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:26,479
Speaker 4: the Jumpshart history, Like listen, I can say I'm gonna

982
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 4: take this away, but I gotta go. I was like

983
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,479
Speaker 4: immediately because your handra was so dely because it went

984
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 4: perfect into how you shot, So you had everything out

985
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 4: of like when and like how did you develop that

986
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 4: that would come that lead.

987
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 3: I didn't have a right to left crossover. My my

988
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 3: crossover was left and right right, you know, that's it

989
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 3: was like, you know it's wide, you know, just watching Ai,

990
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 3: watching Kobe doing that crossover, and I always if I

991
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 3: make one move, I always want to have a counter

992
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 3: move to that, you know what I'm saying, and another

993
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 3: counter move right. So it's just constant work. You know,

994
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 3: I'm being a student of the game. You go to

995
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 3: the cross, so how can I turn that into something counter?

996
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 3: So our same movement right, same movement with it, but

997
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 3: instead of putting on the floor, I'll just curl it

998
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 3: up and it's right into my shop.

999
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: Always loved coming from they left to the right, left

1000
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: to the right.

1001
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 3: So that was just something that I worked thing religiously

1002
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 3: and it just became.

1003
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: Part of who I was. That's it was tough boy.

1004
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: So you in Orlando and you know, got yourself to

1005
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: the All Star level. How was the first All Star

1006
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: game that you'd have been to.

1007
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 3: No, that was you know, being selected in the All

1008
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 3: Star for the first year. I mean obviously overly excited

1009
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 3: about that, and you know, just couldn't wait to experience that,

1010
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 3: you know, because grew up watching the All Star Games

1011
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 3: and watching the fun that these guys are having out

1012
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 3: out there, and just to be in that locker room

1013
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 3: with all the guys at that time. Because you know,

1014
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 3: we all live our lives and you know, go separate

1015
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 3: ways in the off season, you don't really get opportunity

1016
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 3: to talk to a lot of these guys, right, So

1017
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 3: that's opportunity that you know, I really look forward to

1018
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 3: just to you know, see how they prepare and see

1019
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 3: what those conversations are, you know, just to be around

1020
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 3: those dude. But the game itself, I was so nervous.

1021
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 3: I was so nervous. Bro, It's being my first one.

1022
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 3: It was like I didn't know what to expect, you

1023
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. I'm like, damn all these dudes.

1024
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 4: Man.

1025
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: It was in d C.

1026
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 3: I think I had like two points that game. But

1027
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 3: it was probably one of the best All Star games.

1028
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: Man.

1029
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 3: That was That was a shot Stepan And hey, I

1030
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 3: was putting on a show that game, bro. But I

1031
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 3: was nervous though, man, But you know it was a

1032
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 3: joy to be there. But once I got my feet

1033
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 3: wet in that first one, you know, it was like, Okay,

1034
00:48:59,080 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 3: I belong with here.

1035
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 4: So you go from becoming an All Star O one

1036
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 4: you got you got Most Improved that year, then you

1037
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 4: become the youngest scoring campion period back to back seasons.

1038
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 2: Like how was that from going from you know, like.

1039
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 4: You said, you experience All Star then you get an

1040
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 4: award you know what I'm saying Most Improved?

1041
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: What was that like?

1042
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 3: It was like things were just manifesting, you know for

1043
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 3: me because of the work that I was putting in.

1044
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 3: So just rewarding, man, you know what I'm saying. And

1045
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,439
Speaker 3: when you receive that, you know, knowing that the work

1046
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 3: that you put in and you're getting rewarded for that,

1047
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: you want more, you know. So I became, you know,

1048
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 3: just a workaholic, you know what I'm saying, just grinding.

1049
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 3: I didn't get complacent and I didn't let that stop

1050
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 3: me from you know, trying to be better. So whenning

1051
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 3: you know, Most Improved, it was cool. Getting awards, making

1052
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 3: the All Star Games cool. I think once you do

1053
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 3: that for so many years, it's like, Okay, the individual

1054
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 3: accolades is cool. I want to win, you know what

1055
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 3: I'm saying. That's that's what I want to do. I

1056
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 3: want to win. You know this is this is great individually.

1057
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 3: But man, man, we're gonna start some games.

1058
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1059
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: So like even with that transition, like you know, cause

1060
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: like Grant Hill, he signed there, but he can't play,

1061
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: so you know that's that's like that's where your help

1062
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: at and and that money's gone, so you can't you

1063
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, it's hard to even and at

1064
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: the time, you couldn't just pay three big time players.

1065
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: You can get two off.

1066
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know to just be in

1067
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: that position, you know what I'm saying, It's like nothing

1068
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: the franchise can really do.

1069
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 2: They can only bring you.

1070
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: A certain type of player and hoping they are diamond

1071
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: in the rough where they can come in and kind

1072
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: of be like you help change this. So how was

1073
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: that just them years knowing that you can't get no

1074
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: help And it's kind of not disrespecting your teammates, but

1075
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: it's kind of like you being a one man game.

1076
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: It was tough, bro, you know what I'm saying. It

1077
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: was cool for a couple of years because you know,

1078
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: those three is in Toronto. It was just a learning

1079
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: experience and just trying to get acclimated with the NBA

1080
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: game and really show that, you know, I belong in

1081
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: this league.

1082
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: So those first two.

1083
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 3: Years is like, okay, you know, I accomplished some things individually,

1084
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 3: but all right, I'm getting tired. Now let's you know,

1085
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 3: get me some help in here. You know what I'm saying.

1086
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: I want to start winning. And at the brother of that,

1087
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 3: it was I understood that we were pigeonholed because of Grant.

1088
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: You know.

1089
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 3: So they did a great job of drafting. Our first

1090
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 3: year there, we got Mike Miller, but then it was

1091
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,720
Speaker 3: like after that, they had some you know, poor drafts

1092
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 3: with the guys that they drafted that really didn't pan

1093
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 3: out the way they wanted him to. So straight away

1094
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 3: Mike Miller, for whatever reason, I don't know, you brought in,

1095
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 3: you know, two rookies my third year there. We had

1096
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 3: Drew Gooden, we had Gordon Gearachek, and what they brought

1097
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,919
Speaker 3: was great. But I just thought at that time, Mike

1098
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 3: would have been a better fit because you know, he

1099
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 3: had some years and he's playing really good. He helps

1100
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 3: me spread the floor he did, and bringing into rookies

1101
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 3: it was tough. You know, Drew play harder ship, you

1102
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, play extremely hard, But I needed

1103
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 3: much more experience at that time, and they traded that away.

1104
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 3: So I got frustrated. You know, we come back the

1105
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 3: next year, they traded away some more guys. Darryl Armstrong

1106
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 3: is gone, got a bunch of young guys. Yeah, and

1107
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 3: it was just, you know, it was down here from there.

1108
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 3: Was it hard to leave? Well, yeah, like I can't

1109
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 3: even let you get the question off.

1110
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah it was, bro was Was it hard to see

1111
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 2: what Grant was going through?

1112
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, that was tough. I think it was tough

1113
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 3: for both of us because g Hill, Bro, Scottie Pippen

1114
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 3: like g Hill one of them, man, he was, Yeah,

1115
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: he was one of them. And I just knew if

1116
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 3: I had G Hill, there's no doubt in my mind,

1117
00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 3: I would have played for a championship in the East.

1118
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 3: There's no doubt in my mind myself, G Hill and

1119
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 3: Mike Miller that that trio right there, there's no doubt

1120
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 3: a healthy g Hill, but him fighting back, you know,

1121
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 3: trying to get back on our court. And I give

1122
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 3: it to him, he was trying. He was trying his

1123
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 3: off on that court. Man, but they an don't got

1124
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 3: no more ankle. He was that infection and you know,

1125
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 3: dude almost had, you know, some real major problems with

1126
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 3: his ankle.

1127
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 2: But man, I just know.

1128
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 3: The potential we would have had bro if we would

1129
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 3: have had him, And you know, it's just unfortunate. And

1130
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 3: he felt that too, you know what I mean. And

1131
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 3: I'm sure if you ask him, that's one of the

1132
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 3: things that you know he has problem, you know, getting

1133
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 3: over with.

1134
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: How was it, Uh, now you're finna leave and now

1135
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 1: you're finna go and play with y'all. Mean, you know,

1136
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: this is arguably the most famous player in the league

1137
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: at the time, especially worldwide, and uh, he didn't got better.

1138
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: He's not the y'all. I mean they first came into

1139
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: the league.

1140
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: Actually you got them where I can play against Shack

1141
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: and hold my own and with any other senate of

1142
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 1: the league.

1143
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 2: It's a perfect combination.

1144
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: So how was it like you knowing you're finna go

1145
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: over whatever y'all to bring hip and y'all to achieve

1146
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: something because I felt like y'all was the team that

1147
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: at the time, now Kobe Shack y'all was the team.

1148
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 3: Doth we were so far. We was missing so much,

1149
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, we had us too,

1150
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 3: but you know, the incillary pieces around was lacking.

1151
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: We didn't We didn't have that, you know what I mean.

1152
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 3: We kind of struggled out our first year until we

1153
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 3: made some trades. But it was an adjustment for me

1154
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 3: because I never played with a big man.

1155
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 2: You know.

1156
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 3: My game was like, let's get it up and go.

1157
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 3: So I you know, my slew it down my first

1158
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 3: year with the Rockets. I'm coming off of leading the

1159
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 3: NBA and scoring twice Jeff and Gunny tells me, was like,

1160
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 3: you know, I know, you're just coming off, you know,

1161
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 3: being a two time scoring champ, but you're not gonna

1162
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 3: do that.

1163
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 2: Here. Just told me like that.

1164
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 3: It was like, you're not gonna lead the league and

1165
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 3: scoring it you know, we gotta slow it down and

1166
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 3: get the ball to the big man. It's like all right, cool, right.

1167
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 3: I Mean I've been looking for somebody to be yeah, yeah,

1168
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 3: alongside of me that could take that load off. So

1169
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 3: it was a struggle, man, you know what I mean

1170
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 3: to where I had had to learn how where to

1171
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 3: pick my spots, you know what I'm saying. And I

1172
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 3: was deferring too much in the beginning to y'all instead

1173
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 3: of just being me, big fellas. You gotta catch you

1174
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 3: gotta get in when you fit in, you know what

1175
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 3: I'm saying. And once I realized that, like, we're gonna

1176
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 3: get y'all the ball, but I gotta be me, you

1177
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Then we gotta have some pieces

1178
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 3: around to actually open up, you know this this paint

1179
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 3: for me and y'all to be able to work. So

1180
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 3: it was a challenge, but you know it was fun,

1181
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 3: you know, having him and seeing his development because he

1182
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 3: was a problem.

1183
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: Now that you're ready, like yt, yeah, I see the development.

1184
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: See that we can be a good team. We can

1185
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: start compete and nagging injuries like stuff you gotta persevere from,

1186
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: like you know, the average.

1187
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 2: Friend don't know that.

1188
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: We be hurt probably fifty percent of the time for sure,

1189
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: Like I don't care what it is. It might be

1190
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: hurting something like you might just went out there stretch

1191
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: too much to pulled something up.

1192
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 2: A bit. You know what I'm saying, Like, how was that?

1193
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: Just knowing like it's finally times I feel like I

1194
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: really got a team that can really compete and got

1195
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: these nagging injuries and I want to be my best

1196
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: every night.

1197
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 2: The pressure of being your best every night.

1198
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 3: I think for me having going through you know, some

1199
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 3: injuries in Orlando with my back, I learned how to

1200
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 3: play through that because in Orlando is my back, you

1201
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, that I was dealing with because

1202
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 3: I got a slight case of scoliosis in my back

1203
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 3: that people don't know Avenue. Yeah right, So yeah, that's

1204
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 3: what I had. So I learned how to play through

1205
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 3: that when I got to Houston because those four years,

1206
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 3: I was averaging forty plus minutes, bro, you know what

1207
00:56:58,160 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 3: I'm saying. And in the playoffs, I was averaging like

1208
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 3: forty five minutes. And you know, playoff minutes and regular

1209
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 3: season minutes, there's totally different minutes. And I'm talking about

1210
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 3: I'm not getting swept in the playoffs, like I'm actually

1211
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 3: taking teams to six and seven games and playing forty

1212
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 3: something minutes. It took a toll on me today. So

1213
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 3: I get to Houston my athleticism decreases.

1214
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 2: A little bit.

1215
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 3: You know, I'm still up a cerebral player. I'm highly skilled.

1216
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 3: I still can play at a high level, but I

1217
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 3: gotta kind of change my game a little bit. Injuries

1218
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 3: started piling up. My knees started giving out on me.

1219
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 3: Y'all started dealing with some injuries. It was frustrating because

1220
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 3: I felt like we had a great duo and just slowly,

1221
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 3: you know, adding the pieces to us. And when we

1222
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 3: finally got that piece where I felt like we can

1223
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 3: be a contender, add and run our test to our

1224
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 3: team along with Shane Battier, Chuck Haese, you know, skip.

1225
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 2: My knee blows out.

1226
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 3: I'm no good, no good at the time, where damn

1227
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 3: we got a chance this ship and my money is

1228
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 3: just done, Bro, I have I'm bone on bone. I

1229
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 3: gotta have micro faxor surgery. But backing up to that, though,

1230
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 3: it was one year where I think we played Dallas

1231
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 3: my first year and uh yeah, we played Dallas my

1232
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 3: first year in Houston in the playoffs and we took

1233
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 3: them seven games, like we won the first two games

1234
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 3: in Dallas.

1235
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 2: Bro, I remember that, Bro. I ain't never say it,

1236
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: but you and this dude, duncle him.

1237
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 3: Meantime, we go to Houston, lose two games, go back

1238
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 3: to Dallas lose, and then we come back from game

1239
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 3: six and blow them out game seven.

1240
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,919
Speaker 2: I'm hype. I'm like, bro, we got this boy.

1241
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 3: They went small ball. They had Marquise Daniels, Josh Howard

1242
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 3: playing the four and the five, Michael Finley. They went

1243
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 3: small ball.

1244
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 2: Man.

1245
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 3: They blew us up by forty because we like, how

1246
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 3: you gonna play y'all against them? You know what I'm saying,

1247
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 3: When you go small ball, we don't really have no advantage.

1248
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 3: He can't guard them dudes on the perimeter, and that's

1249
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 3: all they was doing. We had ya garden, Josh Howard.

1250
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 4: Bro, Yeah, I want you to take me back and

1251
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 4: walk me through this. December ninety, two thousand and four,

1252
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 4: thirteen points in thirty five. Damn, I've seen the highlights

1253
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 4: we all did. But I want you because that's some

1254
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 4: black oys shit. Tell me what you remember if you

1255
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 4: remember how it went down, like it's the Spurs too.

1256
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 3: You know, man, we do stuff in our careers and

1257
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 3: at nights where we we put in work.

1258
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 2: Bro, you know what I'm saying, We put in work.

1259
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 2: How many threes.

1260
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 3: You hit what was the most three Z hit in

1261
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 3: the game, ten twelve, something like that, ten ten. Yeah,

1262
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 3: you put in work to do that shit. I ain't

1263
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 3: never did that. I hit eight, but not ten three. Bro,

1264
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 3: You put in work. What was your career high forty seven,

1265
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 3: forty seven? You put in work, all that shit that

1266
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 3: you did in the off season. That's the manifestation of

1267
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 3: that work that we put in. We just don't know.

1268
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 3: We gonna have nights like that because we got greatness

1269
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 3: in us, you know what I'm saying.

1270
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 2: We have that in us.

1271
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 3: We don't know when it's gonna come out, but shit,

1272
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 3: it's gonna reveal itself sooner or later. And that was

1273
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 3: just one of those nights.

1274
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 2: You know.

1275
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 3: It's just the work was already put in in the

1276
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 3: off season and it was just listen, man, I feel

1277
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 3: like I could take over this game.

1278
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 2: Let me do it.

1279
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: Well, I think about that games. I don't even see

1280
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: your players, like, I don't see nobody play for you.

1281
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: It just seemed like I see Spurs players in youth

1282
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: like you just go off thirteen.

1283
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 2: Just real quick. That's how that.

1284
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: When I look at that highlight, that's all I remember

1285
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: is the defense players and.

1286
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 2: Just you like I was.

1287
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 3: You know, you know when you're getting those zones, dog,

1288
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 3: it ain't nothing to defend.

1289
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 2: It can do to you. You know what I'm saying.

1290
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 3: It ain't nothing you could do when when somebody's feeling

1291
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 3: it in our league.

1292
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 2: Good luck, good good luck. And that was just one

1293
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 2: of those nights, man.

1294
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 3: I mean it was just happen to be thirteen points

1295
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 3: and thirty five seconds to come back on a great

1296
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 3: defensive team and win that game.

1297
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 2: But you know, I'll take it. It's a good moment.

1298
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 2: I know. Couldn't nobody stop you.

1299
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: But who was something like the great good defenders that

1300
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: you was like, Man, yeah, I'm not even gonna play

1301
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: with him because I know he not gonna quit.

1302
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 2: He's not gonna quit on this. I can't do this

1303
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 2: with him. I can't just know.

1304
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: You pity Pat drive with the ball, Like I know

1305
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: ron On Tess, his hands was always good, strong. I

1306
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: never played with him. When I drive, I'm doing what

1307
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: I supposed to do. No extra driveles, no, no nothing,

1308
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: because I know his hands as wild.

1309
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 3: Tell I tell my man that that's the example that

1310
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 3: I use. Everything that you just said about run. That's

1311
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 3: what I tell people like I didn't play with him. Yeah,

1312
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 3: you know, it's business. You know what I'm saying. Here

1313
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 3: a dog and run just run ain't got them all, bro.

1314
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 3: Run is just like, hey man, I don't care who

1315
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 3: you are, you know what I'm saying. Like, he has

1316
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 3: that mentality and you can't play around with He got long, strong,

1317
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 3: leg strong and if you're sitting there trying to play

1318
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 3: at the ball, he's gonna rip you. So it was

1319
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 3: just like I attacked him, you know what I mean.

1320
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 3: So he was he was one of the guys that

1321
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed playing against because I knew he was

1322
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 3: never going back down, and I relished that, Like I

1323
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 3: love that, you know what I'm saying. He wasn't going

1324
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 3: back down on the offensive end, he wasn't going back

1325
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 3: down the defensive. He's gonna keep coming at you. So

1326
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 3: those are the matchups that I love because it brings

1327
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 3: the best out of you. And it's like, you know,

1328
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 3: that's what the league should be. Competition, Like you made up,

1329
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 3: Let's see what you got. I want to go to

1330
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 3: when you left Houston you get to New York. It's

1331
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 3: a funny story because my.

1332
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 2: Guy, hearing that way and he loves.

1333
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 4: To tell me the story because no, this is the

1334
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 4: best part because it was like the year before I

1335
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 4: did to him, what the year before, I'll get to

1336
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 4: the Knicks, like yo, son, Joe Home is on them

1337
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 4: like we New York.

1338
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 2: Yo. I was like, you know what.

1339
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 4: We was sat at this point right. I don't be

1340
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 4: got ran on your parade, Bro, I said that. He

1341
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 4: always like, yeah, yo, Yo, I'm like, come sit by

1342
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 4: me for a minute, like listen, just relax.

1343
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 2: It's just relaxed excitement you got.

1344
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 4: Going on fast forward of your later I leave, go

1345
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 4: to Miami team Mac, come here, He's like when I fight,

1346
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 4: He's like, yo, bro, he like I had the same

1347
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 4: with you like that t MA. Come here, Like Yo,

1348
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 4: I'm feeling good, like we could do this, like we

1349
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 4: got this.

1350
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 2: We got there. So he was sitting there like that man.

1351
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 3: He said, no, man, come he said calm that, damn man.

1352
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, what you mean bro? Like you'll see man,

1353
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 2: And I'm.

1354
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 3: Like, I'm excited, bro, because you know I got I'm

1355
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 3: frustrated with Houston.

1356
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I'm trying.

1357
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 3: I've been sitting at home just working out, trying to

1358
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 3: get up out of there. And mind you, I'm still hurt.

1359
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent. I'm dragging my left leg,

1360
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 3: but I'm excited.

1361
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 2: Fresh man. Listen, bro, I'm in the garden every night.

1362
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1363
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 3: I'm off sheer adrenaline. Come in there, play against Katie

1364
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 3: and Russ put up twenty six. I'm feeling good. Reality

1365
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 3: set in.

1366
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 2: When I got myself what's going on around here?

1367
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 4: Man?

1368
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 3: I was shocked, bro, and that right there just told me.

1369
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 3: It's like, bro, it's only four or five teams every

1370
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 3: year trying to win in this league. That's a chance

1371
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 3: to that's it. That's that's really trying to. I came

1372
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 3: in there like, yo, man, that's what make the playoffs.

1373
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 3: House to make the playoffs. Still, let's go, let's go.

1374
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 4: When I say that is the identical way, that's what

1375
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 4: so fun.

1376
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 2: I had to tell what I first thought. He's like, yo, son,

1377
01:04:58,520 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 2: I got to tell you.

1378
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 4: Y I had I had, Like I came here, I

1379
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 4: had my stuff. I'm like, yo, son, I'm finally home beating.

1380
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, yeah, chill.

1381
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 2: That out, man.

1382
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know we're playing this game, and you know

1383
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: we watching and man, we hear some of the dopest

1384
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: nicknames out there, like everybody want a nickname, you want

1385
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: your jersey, you want a nickname.

1386
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 2: When you first heard.

1387
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 3: T Mac, well, I was didn't call that off my

1388
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 3: whole childhood.

1389
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, So when when you heard the world

1390
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: scream T Mac, like calling you t because, like you know,

1391
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: people call you by your name. And I used to

1392
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: tell people people who don't know me call me Darius

1393
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: Miles or certain things, but people who know me call

1394
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: me something different.

1395
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, the world is calling you T Mac.

1396
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, it didn't sway me either way because, like

1397
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 3: I said, I was getting called that when I was

1398
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 3: a kid. You know what I'm saying, like my dad

1399
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 3: is team, people call my dad's big.

1400
01:05:59,120 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1401
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 3: So that was just my name, and you know I

1402
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 3: made that known when I'm doing my interviews or when

1403
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,439
Speaker 3: I'm talking to people, you know what I'm saying like that,

1404
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 3: this is my name. So it didn't really sway me

1405
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 3: either either way if they call me Trac or T Mac.

1406
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 3: But you know I did make a household name for

1407
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 3: making it T Mac. And I think, you know, going

1408
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 3: globally and being across the world, now that impact is like, damn,

1409
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 3: I'm over in Asia, I'm in Africa and people calling

1410
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 3: me T Mac. Now that's something to be proud of.

1411
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: My home boy his name was Tracy, but you don't

1412
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,439
Speaker 1: got nothing in his name.

1413
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 2: They call it.

1414
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, when you the man called himself

1415
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: T Mac, everybody.

1416
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 2: Called them back. Now, I'm like, bro, you ain't know

1417
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 2: mc bride or nothing like that.

1418
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 3: You know what's crazy though, bro, Like we play with

1419
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 3: some of these dudes that we call them by their nickname,

1420
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 3: like a t J. Ford or what you know, I

1421
01:06:53,320 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 3: don't know their real name. Y, you know our earl.

1422
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 3: But I just you know what I'm saying, when you plan,

1423
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 3: you don't know that real name. Like I just found

1424
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 3: out tj name was Terrence, so you ain't know that

1425
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 3: for long.

1426
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 2: Tell me this though, like you you one of the one.

1427
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 4: Of the leaders of the I guess the way like

1428
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 4: you code and then like of getting like your own

1429
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 4: line with them, like you know you you you've been

1430
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 4: at DDA since day one, you lifetime you like Hugh,

1431
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 4: But how was it when you you know, you get

1432
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 4: your first deal, but then when they say okay, we're

1433
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 4: gonna give your own shoes, get your own brand, Like

1434
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 4: what is that conversation? Like if you were, like you say,

1435
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,439
Speaker 4: once again, young kids straight out of high school and

1436
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 4: then went through what you had to go through the

1437
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 4: fight for this like and they tell you that, Like,

1438
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 4: what are you thinking?

1439
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 3: That's you know what I mean, that's that's just a fulfillment.

1440
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 3: You know, when you grow up man on the playground

1441
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 3: and you know, you identify who your favorite player is,

1442
01:07:57,560 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 3: you know, and if he has a shoot like a

1443
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 3: by that MJ. You know when Penny had his own shoe,

1444
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 3: had Pennies, and for me, you know, even like King

1445
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 3: Grid for Junior or Bo Jackson, like I had they

1446
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 3: I had Like I wanted miss Right, like I wanted

1447
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 3: you know, guys that I idolized and I admire. I

1448
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 3: wanted their shoes. So for me to be in that

1449
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 3: position to have my own shoes and then have my

1450
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 3: own line, I was like, damn dog on one of

1451
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 3: these dudes, you know what I'm saying. And the little

1452
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 3: kids it's gonna be inspired by me and wearing my

1453
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 3: stuff and just seeing that, It's like that's that's gratifying.

1454
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 3: It's it's an unbelievable feeling, man, to have, you know,

1455
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 3: what I'm saying that you know my kids, you know,

1456
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 3: being out in public and seeing people with the bat

1457
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:44,639
Speaker 3: and wearing my stuff, was like, it's it's that's cool.

1458
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: My homeboy, when I went back home after my first year,

1459
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: he was like, man, who's the hardest to go on?

1460
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: I was like, man, Kobe and t Maac, man, them boys,

1461
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,919
Speaker 1: there is nothing nice I'm talking about. They do everything.

1462
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: When you was coming up, like, who's the guys you

1463
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 1: watching outside of MJ. Because I know we all watch MJ.

1464
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 1: But some of them guys you like, took to to

1465
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: be like, man, I'm gonna take that and put in

1466
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: my game on. I need to have this to put

1467
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: in my game. Well, I love college basketball, bro. You

1468
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

1469
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 3: College basketball, I think when I was in high school

1470
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 3: probably was at its best.

1471
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm not saying it's crazy.

1472
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 3: I'm talking about those Arkansas teams, those u c l

1473
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 3: A teams, those those Syracuse teams are freakingsolutely bro.

1474
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 2: So.

1475
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 3: One of my favorite players and y'all gonna think I'm crazy.

1476
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 3: One of my favorite college players back then played for

1477
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 3: He played for Syracuse. You know any Syracuse players Molten

1478
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 3: Lawrence Lawrence Lawrence Moten was one of my favorite college players, bro,

1479
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 3: other than Jalen Rose is my dude. Lawrence Moten. I

1480
01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 3: was like, damn, I just love this game. Come moved

1481
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 3: like he was a bucket.

1482
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 2: Ever, what was that Monday of Tuesday, big big Tuesday.

1483
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 2: You couldn't speed him up?

1484
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 3: Like he just had this poise him that I just

1485
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 3: I really appreciate it. So he was one of my

1486
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 3: favorite college players, along with Jay Rose and then with

1487
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 3: the pros of course. You know, Penny was Penny was

1488
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 3: my MJ. You know what I'm saying that Penny in

1489
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 3: his prime years. I don't even know if he really

1490
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 3: reached his prime years. You know, his earlier years he

1491
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 3: was so dumb and he was so good, bro, like

1492
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 3: so good, crazy, you know what I mean.

1493
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,640
Speaker 1: It's crazy how they fit in right away. Soon as

1494
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 1: he got wow, Like.

1495
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:46,600
Speaker 3: He was like right away he was like wow, smooth, cerebral,

1496
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Just he had it all

1497
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:50,560
Speaker 3: bro can facilitate.

1498
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 2: So it looks so.

1499
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 3: Just looked, man, you know what I'm saying, Just looking

1500
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 3: like damn all portry in motion, you know what I mean.

1501
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 2: So that was my favorite. That was my MJ. But yeah, man,

1502
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:08,560
Speaker 2: like the process.

1503
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: You know, you get drafted, you make an All Star team,

1504
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: you get you play for the USA team, make the

1505
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame.

1506
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 2: So when you got chose to play for the USA team.

1507
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 1: Like you know, like you say, everything is in line,

1508
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 1: and then now you're finna put that USA team and

1509
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 1: all of us scene the Dreams Team.

1510
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 3: How is that You're proud to represent your country in

1511
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 3: that way?

1512
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1513
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 3: It's a way for us to honor you know, our

1514
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 3: country and going out and competing playing with you know

1515
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 3: other great yeah, playing against other grates and going down

1516
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 3: and competing against the world. Man, that right there is

1517
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 3: just you know, I think everybody need to experience something

1518
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 3: like that because you get opportunities.

1519
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 2: Just to see you know, global talent, you know what

1520
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 2: I mean.

1521
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 3: And you know, you just pulled up a video where

1522
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 3: a dude overseas is shooting threes. It's his whole game

1523
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 3: is predicated off shooting off one leg like, so you

1524
01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 3: get to see different variations of guys game and it's

1525
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 3: the evolution of basketball. So I mean, I appreciate it.

1526
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 4: Those times in twenty thirteen, you played in China for

1527
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 4: a minute what was that experience like for you?

1528
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 3: Probably one of the greatest moments of my life. And

1529
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 3: I say that with all seriousness. You gotta think for

1530
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 3: four years, like once I had that knee surgery, I

1531
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 3: had Michael Factory, I went from t mac to Tracy right,

1532
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 3: and it was no longer being celebrated as the NBA

1533
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:33,600
Speaker 3: player that I once was. So China gave me that

1534
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 3: opportunity to come over there. And I have a huge

1535
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 3: fan base in China, huge fan base in China. So

1536
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, when I'm done playing,

1537
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go in and player. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure

1538
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 3: some love and play over here.

1539
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 2: Bro.

1540
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 3: Once I announced that I was going to play in China,

1541
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 3: I sold out the whole CBA and it was crazy.

1542
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 3: I'm talking about. I felt celebrated again, right.

1543
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,680
Speaker 2: Because I'm not even a lot. I'm not gonna lie.

1544
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 3: I was depressed, you know what I mean, because I

1545
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,440
Speaker 3: had struggles. I had struggles with my teams in the playoffs.

1546
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 3: I just didn't have great teams to elevate in the playoffs.

1547
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 3: And then you know, when I did receive, you know,

1548
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 3: some help having run our tests, I can't compete because

1549
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 3: my knee is blown out on the end. So I'm like, damn, bro,

1550
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 3: it's gonna happen to me like this. You know what

1551
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,799
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like, I can't go out like this. And

1552
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,600
Speaker 3: I went out like that. It was nothing that I

1553
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 3: could do. My knee was done. I wasn't the same player.

1554
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 3: So to have that opportunity to be celebrated again, that

1555
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 3: was like I purped back up. I was like, damn, okay,

1556
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 3: I'm loving basketball again. You know what I'm saying that

1557
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 3: I got it out my system. I got back. But dude,

1558
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 3: when I tell you, I used to pull up to

1559
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:52,480
Speaker 3: the arenas and it was thousands, thousands of people outside

1560
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 3: waiting on me to pull up.

1561
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 2: Bro. It was crazy. Man.

1562
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 3: I felt like the Beatles or something for real, even

1563
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 3: in the airports thousands.

1564
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 1: Understand what you were just saying about the depression, because

1565
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: we get built up and have our confidence so high,

1566
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: and you know, we always want our career to be

1567
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: the story dream career. We always want the farewell tours.

1568
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 1: But when you don't get that, the depression. Like one

1569
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:21,959
Speaker 1: of the things I missed from playing is the drillin

1570
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 1: that you get for being in the packed stadium and

1571
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: everybody watching you play and the crowds into it and

1572
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: all that stuff. It's nothing that you can get that

1573
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: type of and drilling. You can't hop out no plane

1574
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 1: or or nothing like that. Like what do you do

1575
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 1: to try to kind of fulfill that? Or it's just

1576
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: like you can't. You can't doplicate that, bro't, Nah, you

1577
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: can't do plicate that.

1578
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 2: You.

1579
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 3: I think you know the league, with the camaraderie that

1580
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 3: we form with our teammates, man, and just going out

1581
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 3: every day. I mean that even the battles within your teammates,

1582
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 3: you know, because I mean we all got different personalities

1583
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 3: and you know what I'm saying, we clash had but

1584
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, won't. So we step

1585
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 3: on that floor together. You know, we together, We were together,

1586
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 3: we as one. But I just you you you can't.

1587
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:12,719
Speaker 3: You can't find that nowhere, Bro, You cannot find that anywhere.

1588
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 3: It's just nah, you can't. Especially you know those remember

1589
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 3: those NBC games, man, I just oh, man, I just

1590
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 3: felt like a different player, bro, even in playoffs. You

1591
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 3: just you got a different energy, a different bounce with you.

1592
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1593
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 3: When you're playing on national television or you competing against

1594
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 3: a Kobe or you know what I'm saying events, It's

1595
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 3: just a different bounce and you know a sense of excitement.

1596
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, start, bitch. Trade, Oh god, you gotta start one

1597
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:49,520
Speaker 1: in trouble. You got a bench one, you got trade one. Kawhi, Leonard, Cormelo,

1598
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: Anthony and Scottie Pippen.

1599
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 2: Who you started? Who you bench? Who you trade? Kawhi

1600
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 2: and Scott all.

1601
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:06,759
Speaker 1: Them and they praying, and they primed, not about their credentials.

1602
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 2: About their game.

1603
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 3: Mellow, you'll start start, I'll start.

1604
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 2: Oh god, you'll start mellow. He make think about it.

1605
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 3: I'll start, I'll start mellow. That's tough. I'm sorry. Scotti

1606
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 3: has a different element because his defense he was just

1607
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 3: so elite bro and then you really never got to

1608
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 3: see his offensive prowess because of m J. I mean

1609
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 3: you've seen it. You know the year and a half

1610
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 3: MJ retired, but I think he was much older. I

1611
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 3: think forget it, man, I go mellow. I'm start mellow.

1612
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 3: I'm a bitch, Scottie and I'm a.

1613
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 2: What was it?

1614
01:16:53,960 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 1: Cut and cut? Kawhi jerseys. You gotta eat one. You

1615
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 1: gotta have one for the next day and you gotta

1616
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: get rid of one. The first jersey is the purple

1617
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 1: Toronto Raptors jersey with the stripe. Second jersey is the

1618
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 1: Orlando Magic he was coming up. And the third jersey

1619
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: is the Rockets golden.

1620
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 3: Oh no, you throw that in the trash. Throw that

1621
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:22,640
Speaker 3: one away. Throw the Rockets join it and it's one

1622
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 3: the first out of the straight strike strike strike and

1623
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 3: then yeah, the strike, and then that that Toronto rapt

1624
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 3: this jersey and you know, the Rockets joint.

1625
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 2: You could trash that.

1626
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 4: I feel like it's only a few people that should

1627
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 4: be you know, there's really privileged to really answer this question.

1628
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,680
Speaker 4: You got G fourteen classified. So when he say like

1629
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 4: start bench cut, this is the this is the realist one.

1630
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 3: I know where you're going.

1631
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 2: I know where you're going when you're saying that, I know.

1632
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 4: You so three, I'm gonna try to get there. You

1633
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 4: got Lebron, Kobe HMJ.

1634
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 3: Somebody just reverse that war h m J Kobe Lebron, Yeah, okay,

1635
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 3: that's MJ coch Lebron, Yeah, just reversal. So I don't

1636
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 3: want to get into who should have came off. I

1637
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 3: just want to ask you because we definitely feel like

1638
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,640
Speaker 3: you should have been top seventy five. You know, we

1639
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 3: know what it is, but I just want to know

1640
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 3: what's your feelings on that, because like we don't get

1641
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 3: into who should have, but like we know, for a fashion.

1642
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 2: You should have been. Like, what are your feelings on

1643
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 2: not being part of that?

1644
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:38,640
Speaker 3: I to me, it didn't sway me because if you

1645
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 3: look at it, I got the ultimate achievement as a

1646
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 3: basketball player than right making it to the Hall. So

1647
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 3: I mean, there's going to be a top one hundred

1648
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 3: here in a few years, you know.

1649
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 2: What I'm saying.

1650
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 3: So I that doesn't bother me at all. Man, you

1651
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 3: know I look at it, and not even for me,

1652
01:18:57,320 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 3: I look at it like you know the White Hour, Yeah,

1653
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 3: eight years was a monster, you know what I'm saying,

1654
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 3: impact on the game, extremely dombinant, five times First Team

1655
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:11,639
Speaker 3: All NBA took a team.

1656
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 2: Them saying to the finals.

1657
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 3: I mean for eight years, the man was pretty damn dombinant.

1658
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,679
Speaker 3: To leave him off, now that's disrespectful, that's a tragedy.

1659
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:27,640
Speaker 3: But you know, it is what it is. You know,

1660
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 3: we know what it is as players. You know what

1661
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:31,680
Speaker 3: I'm saying. We know who should be on there, and

1662
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,639
Speaker 3: we don't need to speak about it. But nothing beast

1663
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 3: the hall, nothing nothing, nothing, so nothing, It's all good.

1664
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 4: Tell me about your your one on one league, that

1665
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 4: your development and coming up with.

1666
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, So you know, I think one on one

1667
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 3: doesn't really get its due, you know, with with the

1668
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 3: other Uh, whether it's five on five, whether it's three

1669
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 3: on three, fro One on one is the foundation of basketball.

1670
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 3: There's one on one and five on five organized basketball.

1671
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 2: Right.

1672
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 3: And what I mean by that if you have Dennis Rodman,

1673
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 3: what was Dennis Rodman?

1674
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 2: What do you do? He rebound? Right?

1675
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:15,679
Speaker 3: That was his job to rebound whoever he matched up against.

1676
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 3: His job was keep his ass off their glass that night.

1677
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 2: Right.

1678
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 3: That's the one on one battle right there. You know

1679
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, How do we train? Do we train

1680
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:25,759
Speaker 3: for five on five? What do we train? We trained individual?

1681
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,799
Speaker 3: We trained one on one? Right, So I think that's lost.

1682
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 3: And I go back to what I was saying about

1683
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 3: my childhood. One on one gave me that competitive spirit.

1684
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 3: It gave me to never quit, to keep fighting because

1685
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:45,919
Speaker 3: it's just me versus you. There's no defense, there's no coaches,

1686
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 3: there's nobody you know, to stop me from if I

1687
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 3: get around you, there's nobody else.

1688
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 2: To deviate that. You know what I'm saying.

1689
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 3: It helped you on your individual defense, It helped you

1690
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 3: on your mentality, and I think you know, I'm just

1691
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 3: trying to bringing that to light. Also, I'm trying to

1692
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 3: give people an opportunity, a second chance, you know what

1693
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 3: I'm saying. Like I told you my story, if I

1694
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:10,600
Speaker 3: didn't have that structure within my home.

1695
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:12,719
Speaker 2: I would have deviated off off.

1696
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 3: That course and made some stupid decisions. It's a lot

1697
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 3: of guys out there that probably did that. But now

1698
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 3: they're a little bit older, they're on the right path,

1699
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 3: and they still can play at a high level. They

1700
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 3: still have a passion for the game and dedicated to it,

1701
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 3: and I want to provide that opportunity for them with

1702
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 3: this league. This is not a gimmick, you know what

1703
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 3: I'm saying. This is something that I want to have

1704
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 3: a big platform and I want one on one basketball

1705
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:38,640
Speaker 3: to be a staple in sports. So I'm creating this

1706
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 3: league for those people that still have passions, not for

1707
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 3: professional basketball player, not NBA players, but it could be

1708
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 3: for you know, guys that play overseas.

1709
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 2: It what's the name of it.

1710
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 3: It's called One's Basketball Association. So that's what I'm building, man.

1711
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 3: I think it's needed. There's a lot of underground leagues

1712
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 3: that have these guys playing in these leagues and there's

1713
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 3: betting going on with going on one Basketball. So I'm

1714
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 3: providing a major platform to have those guys participated. And

1715
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 3: let me ask you this. You're from Chicago, you're from

1716
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 3: Saint Louis. You can't tell me it ain't no guys

1717
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 3: in Chicago and Saint Louis that will give our elite

1718
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:17,719
Speaker 3: guys in the NBA the business right now, right now.

1719
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: Right now, right now, right get them on that io

1720
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 1: and get your ass worse.

1721
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 3: That's me right now, And that's what I want, man.

1722
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 3: I just wanted to provide that second chance opportunity for

1723
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 3: a lot of guys that you know, may have missed

1724
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 3: their chances when they were younger.

1725
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 4: So we talked about some of the contracts that you

1726
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 4: didn't had and something, you know, something I don't want

1727
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 4: to talk about. Obviously, you retired mom, dudes and the

1728
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 4: family when you first got that bread, which is which

1729
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 4: is you.

1730
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 2: Know that's dope. I want to hear what you're about

1731
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 2: to say. I want to hear something extravagant, something crazy.

1732
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 2: Well you got that? What team?

1733
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 4: We know you didn't did a lot to treat yourself.

1734
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:54,640
Speaker 4: You could just don't already know what.

1735
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 5: It was like.

1736
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 2: Man, I already know what y'all hearing that.

1737
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 4: Yo got courts in your house, you got doing pools,

1738
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 4: out doing pools.

1739
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you want to say? Jet? You

1740
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 2: want to hear about the plane?

1741
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 4: Hey, listen, why that's gonna be the best joint we

1742
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 4: heard somebody learn?

1743
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:15,799
Speaker 2: What did? How did that come from? When did you decide?

1744
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 3: You know what what kind of jet was I had?

1745
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,320
Speaker 3: I had a Falcon two thousands. It was a it

1746
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 3: was a it was a it was a corporate jet.

1747
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 3: It's probably one of the best traveling jets that you

1748
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:27,919
Speaker 3: could have, like an eleven eleven passenger.

1749
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:36,640
Speaker 2: How much was it? It was a lot. It was

1750
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 2: like it was nineteen million, So nineteen million, but you

1751
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 2: heard that you had a nineteen million jet. It was

1752
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:54,560
Speaker 2: it was nineteen million. So what happened that happened on here? Yeah?

1753
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 2: So what happened?

1754
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 3: Well, I had a business manager that you know, knew

1755
01:23:57,640 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 3: how to structure those deals. You know what I'm saying

1756
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 3: for me and We talked about it and made sure

1757
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 3: it made financial, you know, sense to do something like that.

1758
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 3: And I was like, shit, let's go for it. You know,

1759
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 3: I went to I think I flew to Kansas to

1760
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 3: pick out you know how I wanted my jet to look.

1761
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 2: We had that T Max sign.

1762
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 3: I had, I had my my tail numbers was TM

1763
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,759
Speaker 3: eight six three. Eight six three is an area code

1764
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 3: where I'm from. And then I had T one mac

1765
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:34,639
Speaker 3: on the plane. So yeah, man, And what was crazy though?

1766
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 2: Bro?

1767
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 3: I had my same pilots, I rotated my poleets, and

1768
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 3: then I had you know, a couple of stories, so

1769
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 3: they knew what I liked.

1770
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:45,600
Speaker 2: It was. It was so convened, your certain meals and

1771
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 2: food they had.

1772
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 3: Every when I get on the plane. Bro, they had

1773
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 3: everything lined up for me with my kids. Though you

1774
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:52,759
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying this is my kids are younger.

1775
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 3: My kids was loving it. They loved my kids. And

1776
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 3: when I sold my jet Man, when I tell you,

1777
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:00,120
Speaker 3: my kids were so mad.

1778
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 4: You.

1779
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 2: Messed up. You're messed up.

1780
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 3: So we used to go to the airport every time

1781
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:08,519
Speaker 3: we used to travel. But they asked me, oh, we

1782
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 3: going to the private airport.

1783
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 1: I was like, we gotta go through because we gotta

1784
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 1: go through all this what happened when we used to

1785
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 1: just walk on that job.

1786
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 3: But no, it was so convenient, man, you know, it

1787
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 3: was so convenient, and because I traveled a lot, and

1788
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 3: then I was afraid to you know, after nine eleven,

1789
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 3: I was really afraid to fly commercial. So when nine

1790
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:29,640
Speaker 3: to eleven happened, I didn't fly commercial until I was

1791
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 3: with the USA team. When we went to Puerto Rico.

1792
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 3: It was just all private planes. I just had had

1793
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 3: a fear. Man, it was anxiety.

1794
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 4: I mean I was a little scared too, But I

1795
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 4: so you ain't only one of those sn that's that's

1796
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 4: that's I have my own plane.

1797
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 1: I heard you you've been camel racing. Tell us about

1798
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 1: the UH. I told you about that, about this camel

1799
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:05,480
Speaker 1: racing with them controls.

1800
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 3: So this is something. I took a trip to UH

1801
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 3: to Qatar. It was I think it's me Mellow, Klay

1802
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 3: Thompson and Lituke Walton. So we took a trip over

1803
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 3: there to promote the World Cup and they asked us

1804
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 3: about did we want to do some camel racing. I

1805
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 3: didn't know what it was like, Yeah, why not go

1806
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 3: see some Camels race. It's like you're gonna are you

1807
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 3: gonna participate? It's like how you know what I'm saying.

1808
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 3: It was like you'll see when we get out there.

1809
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 3: So we go to this track, we on you know,

1810
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:43,879
Speaker 3: we on the road on the wrongway, and the horses,

1811
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 3: I mean, the camels are over here, and they give

1812
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 3: us some remote controls. I'm like, yo, what are these

1813
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 3: remote controls for? They got a little man on the

1814
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 3: on the camels with a whip, with a whip, so

1815
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:59,600
Speaker 3: we're controlling the you know, the mini dude on the

1816
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 3: whip on the camera with the whip and just spanking

1817
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 3: his ass.

1818
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You know me, I'm a fool.

1819
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 2: I was just I kept hitting telling his ass up

1820
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 2: and I ended up winning that race.

1821
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 3: But I ain't never never see, Like hell no, I

1822
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:20,639
Speaker 3: didn't know what to expect. But now that was dope though,

1823
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. I had a little dude

1824
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 3: on there with the whippers. That was some crazy shit.

1825
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 2: I enjoyed that. That's right.

1826
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,719
Speaker 1: For me, y'all cause y'all have Hall of Fame careers

1827
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:37,640
Speaker 1: like you, Kobe and Lebron and KG. It makes me

1828
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:40,560
Speaker 1: feel really really part of something by being one of

1829
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 1: the players that went straight out of high school and

1830
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:47,640
Speaker 1: being a part of that forty five person group inside

1831
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 1: of this big NBA organization.

1832
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, that we.

1833
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 1: Have like how is it for you to like, you know,

1834
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 1: to see like, yeah, I went straight out of high school,

1835
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:59,600
Speaker 1: but to see how successful a lot of guys that

1836
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 1: went straight out of high school didn't become.

1837
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 3: And I man, when you look back on it, high

1838
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 3: school guys was the face of the NBA.

1839
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you heard that cute knowing about it.

1840
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 3: You look at KG, you look at Cole myself. I

1841
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 3: mean when Lebron came in, he just you know, overtook

1842
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 3: everybody's shine. But Amarri Dwight, Howard yourself. Man, high school

1843
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:33,600
Speaker 3: guys really, Jermaine O'Neill, lou Will j R. Smith, like

1844
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 3: hospital high school guys really came in and held it down.

1845
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1846
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 3: I can't leave out there's a lot of high school

1847
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 3: guys that didn't pan out, that tried to make that jump,

1848
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 3: But the ones that actually stayed for ten plus, yes,

1849
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 3: I mean they we did a hell of a job

1850
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 3: of making a name for ourselves and really represent high

1851
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 3: school guy as well.

1852
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 1: So what do you think of the percentage, because it's

1853
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 1: it's forty five that they count that had like like

1854
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 1: more than four or five years in the league. It's

1855
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 1: like forty five to the account. What do you think

1856
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:08,679
Speaker 1: the percent You think it was fifteen guys that didn't

1857
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 1: make it.

1858
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, like about.

1859
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 1: Fifteen that didn't make it in about forty five that

1860
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:14,759
Speaker 1: had nice careers.

1861
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's and it might be more than

1862
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 3: that guys tried to come out. I think it's a

1863
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 3: little bit more than that that was unsuccessful and trying

1864
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 3: to make it. But I mean, damn the guys that did,

1865
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 3: you know, the Hall of Fame careers in the household

1866
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 3: names and recognized your world contract, big, big, big, big.

1867
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 2: Contract, like like a lot of guys us. Yeah. So

1868
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:40,599
Speaker 2: now high school we held it down. Yeah, we did.

1869
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:43,640
Speaker 1: Special Forces Group you know inside the NBA. You know

1870
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 1: me all started the Hall of Fame. But they're just

1871
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 1: Special Forces Group right there in the room in the

1872
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 1: NBA building. That's us right there, straight out of high school.

1873
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 2: College. These college kids, you know, these college kids, how

1874
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 2: many years you dq? Fourteen? No?

1875
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:00,720
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I'm talking about in college to that's for you,

1876
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,840
Speaker 3: damn good broa sophomore year.

1877
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 2: Waiting on me, that's all. He was just wait for

1878
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 2: me to my oldest son post.

1879
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, man, I listen. I used to y'all.

1880
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 3: I used to hate playing y'all. Y'all doing that that

1881
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:18,000
Speaker 3: this ship, I used to make it a person or

1882
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 3: to try to destroy y'all.

1883
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 1: Got that game in l A. At the end of

1884
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 1: the game, I blow forty that game. Yeah, we got

1885
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 1: that game in l A. And I was like, I

1886
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 1: don't even know how we beat him, because this boy

1887
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 1: went crazy.

1888
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 2: You know.

1889
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 1: We got to Orlando while y'all kicked ass so quick

1890
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 1: and got us up out of there.

1891
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, I remember, I remember that.

1892
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 3: I remember one particular play too, because I was really

1893
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 3: trying to go at you and get you back, you

1894
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. I remember a play somebody gave

1895
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:51,240
Speaker 3: me a pass, I got a rebound or something, but

1896
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:54,799
Speaker 3: I was like, in the corner, So this is the basket.

1897
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:56,719
Speaker 3: I was in a corner right here. I think somebody

1898
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 3: made me a pass and I like jab step and

1899
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:04,040
Speaker 3: went to the middle. You slipped and failed. I don't

1900
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 3: know if you remember that you slipped and failed. I've

1901
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 3: been in there and dunk that bit so hard. I

1902
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 3: tried to tell the random because I tried to get

1903
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:11,559
Speaker 3: y'all back.

1904
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 2: Man.

1905
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 3: I don't like I don't like scoring forty points and losing,

1906
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:17,719
Speaker 3: and I don't I do not like that.

1907
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 2: That is one of.

1908
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 3: My biggest pet peeves though. I hate that putting up

1909
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 3: those numbers and you lose the game. I don't like it.

1910
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 1: We gotta look at that game. Good defense. At the end,

1911
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 1: we was going there in La.

1912
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 2: We was fighting. I'm like you fighting. I'm trying, bro,

1913
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 2: but y'all had too much.

1914
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 1: A team didn't like us celebrating and duncan and it

1915
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:39,600
Speaker 1: seemed like we were show bowling. But we were just

1916
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 1: trying to play hard, improve ourselves every night.

1917
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 3: I don't know what happened with that team, but if

1918
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 3: they would have kept y'all together, Bro, if they would

1919
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 3: have kept y'all, wasn't Elton brand with y'all?

1920
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody had was with y'all. I mean not C

1921
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 2: but Cat Okay, that was me, lamar Q, Elton Corey.

1922
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 3: Bro, you would have kept y'all together, Man, y'all would

1923
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:04,360
Speaker 3: have been dangerous.

1924
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 2: And we had money to pay for two to two Mexicans.

1925
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:10,680
Speaker 2: Rookie did still. But you know, bad organ din't get

1926
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 2: in the club about no liquor.

1927
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 3: Wen't have just love to just you know, mess things up, man,

1928
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 3: Because y'all had a good thing going. Y'all had a

1929
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 3: lot of talent, bro a lot of a lot of

1930
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 3: versatility to shooting. You know, you had you being able

1931
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:27,760
Speaker 3: to run the point. You had Llo being able to

1932
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:30,000
Speaker 3: run the point. Y'all had a power for a twenty

1933
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 3: and ten, power for Corey mcghetty, the slasher. But y'all

1934
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:35,520
Speaker 3: was stacked.

1935
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:38,439
Speaker 2: With young talent. They broke us up. They broke y'all up,

1936
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 2: and that was it.

1937
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 4: Hey, man, it's been dope. We all here live on

1938
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:44,679
Speaker 4: location in a town.

1939
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 2: Man. You had us pull up to your.

1940
01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's been dope. We got the

1941
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 4: man in the myth, the legend, the mac Jack playing man.

1942
01:32:57,080 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 3: No, I appreciate y'all having what y'all got for me.

1943
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:07,920
Speaker 1: Man, don't drink many. Yeah, I appreciate it.

1944
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 3: Man.

1945
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:09,280
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I might have to store

1946
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:15,639
Speaker 2: this on the jet all love. Man, appreciate y'all boys.

1947
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:27,719
Speaker 4: All right, we want to thank y'all for your continued

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