1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: It's now time for Cannabis Talk one oh one with Blue, 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Joe Grande and Mark and Craig Wasserman, the Pot Brothers 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: at Law. We're the world's number one podcast for everything cannabis. 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: Welcome to Cannabis Talk one oh one. My name is Blue. 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: Alongside of me is the world famous Pot Brothers at 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: Law and Mr Joe Grande and we have an amazing 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: show for you today. Joe tell them what's going on. 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: But well, first off, thank you everyone for listening to 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: our podcast, Cannabis Talk one on one on the I 10 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app Apple Podcast wherever you get your podcast, 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: and make sure you check out our Instagram pages for 12 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: daily news learned the scrapp learned the Slam poem, all 13 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: the good stuff on there, and of course a bunch 14 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: of great things on our personal lives. It's at Cannabis 15 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: Talk one on one at Pot Underscore Brothers Underscore at 16 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: Underscore Law, at Washed Law is little brother Mark Wasserman, 17 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: at Washed Law Dog is big brother Craig, and at 18 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: one Christopher Wright is Blue and at Joe Grande fifty 19 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: two is myself. And as I said, your name Craig. 20 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: The first thing that popped into my mind is how 21 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: many laps are you at right now? Because and not 22 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: only as we're doing the show, but when I go 23 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: back and listen to the podcast, I'm like the dudes 24 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: at like twenty some laps in his pool as we're 25 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: all still at home doing this show together. And I'm 26 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: not gonna lie Craig. When I just said your name, 27 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: the first thing that popped in my head is and 28 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure the listeners out there they're wondering as well. 29 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: So we started off with you doing three laps and 30 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: this quarantine you got up to twenty? Has it jumped 31 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 1: up since then? You had a thirty five? I'm actually 32 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: up to seventeen laps to go down? Then, you know 33 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: I was. I never said twenty roll back to the tape. 34 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: I never said fifteen turnovers, not laps back and forth? 35 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: Is one way is two ways back and forth because 36 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: my pools about ft long, so it's one lap is 37 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: out in both ways. Well, today we have a special 38 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: guest with us on the show, Bonnie Johnson. Bonnie Johnson 39 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: is a registered dietitian, nutritionists, food industry consultant. She's a spinker, 40 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: a certified cannabis consultant. She spends much of her volunteer 41 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: time educating a variety of audiences about the benefits and 42 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: potential risk of using cannabis to treat chronic pain, anxiety, 43 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: and zomnia, and other elements. As a consultant, she works 44 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: with food and cannabis industries to bring science based education 45 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: to healthcare professionals and category changing products to the market. Now, 46 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: Bonnie has a new article in the spring edition of 47 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: CRX magazine about anxiety and cannabis. We love the magazine. 48 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: Everything they represent and put out has been great articles 49 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: so far, and they put an amazing article out with 50 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: this one as well. And you did tons of research. 51 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: You have seven misconceptions about using cannabis for anxiety. We 52 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: can't wait to hear all of out them. Welcome to 53 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: the show, Bonnie, Thanks Joe, I'm glad to be here. Well, 54 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: it's so good to have you on. And and before 55 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: we get to you and talk about this, you guys, 56 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: ESPN had its highest rated show ever with Michael Jordan's 57 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: series The Last Dance in My Home. It's must see TV, right. 58 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you guys, even Bonnie yourself, have watched 59 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: these episodes yet absolutely I've been watching it religiously with 60 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: my wife. Actually, she's been totally into it, which is great. Yeah, 61 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: it's it's amazing. Just this the way this uh, this 62 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: guy operates in his whole modality of mentality winning at 63 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: all costs. Oh, he's he's awesome. What about you, Blue? 64 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: You know, I don't see any Chicago Bulls in the 65 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: background over there, buddy, All I see is Lakers in 66 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: the back. So I'm not sure you're really even a 67 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: Jordan fan. Mr Grande. That's funny. I actually did an 68 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: interview with Jordan at the Staples Center, and I doesn't 69 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: make you a fan. He voted all times. What about you, Craig, 70 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: have you watched it? Oh, you can't come by me 71 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: like that. Hold on, I'm not done. I didn't get 72 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: to see it, but I do believe Jordan has a 73 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: work ethic that that a lot of people um didn't recognize. 74 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: As a young entrepreneur, that guy he used to say that, 75 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: I look forward to where the ball is gonna go, 76 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: not where I'm gonna throw it or where I'm gonna 77 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: be at. So I remember those times growing up with them, 78 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: and I do remember the three peats and all that 79 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: stuff when the Lakers and the Chicago Bulls were going 80 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: at it. So, Craig, what about you. I have not 81 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: watched it yet. I plan on watching it, but I 82 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: have not watched it yet. You guys, I promise you 83 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: you won't miss out. And you, Bonnie, have you got 84 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: a chance to check it out? I know you're a 85 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: sports fanatic, as I call you, and you're on the 86 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: golf course. We have seen the first four episodes. I 87 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: missed this week's UM run because it was Mother's Day 88 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: and I have five kids to take care of and 89 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: They's day. Thank you, But we have we have watched 90 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: it religiously huge Jordan fan. I spent eight years in Chicago, 91 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: and um, I love the sport. Much bigger college basketball 92 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: fan than NBA, but big follower. Miss March Madness. That 93 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: is the best March Madness. My god, thirty years I've 94 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: been watching March Madness in Vegas, actually in Vegas. You 95 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: know what I took, what I'm taking away from this 96 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: last stance, Joe, Um, I think about you a lot, Joe. 97 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: When they show these clips, they show these clips of 98 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: Jordan's just cussing out his teammates, and they and they 99 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: really didn't even do anything that bad. They maybe they 100 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: dropped the ball or something. Wasn't it was an accident, 101 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: it was it was no, but it was just and 102 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: he just lays into him, kind of like you laying 103 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: into my brother and Blue and we make a little mistake. Man, Joe, 104 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. What do you think 105 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: the cost of winning? It's tough? Yeah, I agree. Actually 106 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: I look at that and go, you know what, I'm 107 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: like that too sometimes going off on people. Why do 108 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: I want to win so bad? Jeeze? Is that a bad? 109 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: Is that bad to have? Is that not? Absolutely not. 110 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: By the reason I mentioned that show is because in 111 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: his rookie year he went into a hotel room and 112 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: see some guys doing lines and party and he didn't partake. 113 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: He kind of got out of the real quick. But 114 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: it got me thinking, who do you guys think is 115 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: the most famous athlete to come out of the green closet. 116 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about doing lines closet. I'm talking about 117 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: the green closet smoking cannabis. And Mark, let's start with you, 118 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: because there's so many athletes that are out there that 119 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: have come out are that have just been caught and 120 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: I'm not just talking strictly advocates that have you know 121 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: that are pretty like you know, we just had Kyle 122 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: Turley on one of the podcasts and he says it's 123 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: the cure from all and which, and he's a huge advocate. 124 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: And I believe Matt Barnes is like the face for 125 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: cannabis right now as of X NFL or excume X athletes, 126 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: that is, he's an NBA player. But in your opinion, 127 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: who do you see as your biggest athlete to come 128 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: out of the green closet. I gotta go with Ricky Williams. 129 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: I gotta go with Ricky Williams. What I think it 130 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: was sixteen I think it was and he he he 131 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,119 Speaker 1: walked away left ten million dollars on the table something 132 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: like that because of his belief in cannabis and using it. 133 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: And I mean that that's a huge statement walking away 134 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: from that much money. And he's been an advocate ever since. 135 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: And I think he you know, he has his own 136 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: CBD line and I think he's he's probably, if not 137 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: the biggest one, one of the biggest. That's what I think. 138 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: I don't think there's right or wrong. Blue, Who's yours? 139 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna go with Nick and Nate Diaz 140 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: and uh, you know they they've had such a controversial 141 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: come out in the industry, meaning that you know, they 142 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: just decided, we're gonna smoke in front of everybody. We 143 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: don't care. This is what we do. Uh lose possibly 144 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: losing their UFC titles and all kinds of different you know, 145 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: uh things that have came against them, but they continued 146 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: to do it, and uh they've been forefront on it. 147 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: So it's so funny. These are great ones. And what 148 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: about you, Craig. I gotta go right now with Big 149 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: Mike Tyson. Yes, yea. The best thing lately that they've 150 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: had him on film, which I don't know if you've 151 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: seen his Instagram post where he's boxing training with the 152 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: hands and oh my god, he smokes that much weed 153 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: every day and he's doing that kind of workout. It 154 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: just shows what we've been preaching. Everybody changes stigma. We 155 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: does not slow you down, and you would laps in 156 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: the pool. I mean, you can do it. Before you 157 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: know what, You're gonna be doing your nine am workouts 158 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: like mother does workouts. I'm gonna be like Michael Phelps. 159 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: That's another one, Michael, although he got but Bonnie, who 160 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: is your athlete? Well, I don't know if he's the 161 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: most famous, but he's for sure my favorite, and that's 162 00:08:54,600 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: Bill Walton, the whole Walton family. I love them. A 163 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: matter of fact. One of his sons, his son lives 164 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: right by here, and my other my son plays baseball 165 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: with one of his grandsons. So I have I have 166 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: at the time. Oh did you out in Arizona? Oh cool? 167 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: How fun is that? Well, you guys, I think we 168 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: just said. The name Michael Phelps, in my opinion, has 169 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: to be one of the biggest, well known. I mean, 170 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: he's the most Awardi Olympian swimmer ever. So when I 171 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: think of biggest athletes, I definitely thought of Ricky Williams, 172 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: Nate everyone everyone said, I actually didn't think of Mr Walton, 173 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: but all of are great. But I think, in my opinion, 174 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: Michael Phelps is just one of those guys that you go, 175 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: wait a minute, that swimmer smokes weed like that, he's 176 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: taking pictures with the bombs he's got. He's at parties 177 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: hanging smoke. It blew the world away. They weren't ready 178 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: for it, you know what I mean. It was like, Yeah, 179 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: this guy smoked sweede. He eats a lot of pancakes 180 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: and a huge breakfast, huge lunch, and huge dinner and 181 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,599 Speaker 1: he goes out there and he kicks ass and he 182 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: was like a gold medal. Yeah. So it's like, you know, 183 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: the stereotypes about it should have been broken many moons ago, 184 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: but it's still funny how we still have to fight it. Well, 185 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: let's break real quick, you guys come back with Bonnie 186 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: Johnson and talk about her article and the CRX magazine 187 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: coming out about anxiety and cannabis. It's Cannabis Talk one 188 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: oh one. Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one oh one. 189 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: On the show, we have a special guest with us, 190 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: Bonnie Johnson. Now she holds a Mastress of Science degree 191 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: and nutrition and is a registered Dietitian nutritionist. Bonnie, as 192 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: a writer, has a new article in the spring edition 193 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: of CRX magazine about anxiety and cannabis. Welcome to the show, Bonnie. 194 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: How are you? Thanks Joe so much, I'm glad to 195 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: be here. Well, it's so good. We all got a 196 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: chance to read your article as it's about to come 197 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: out in the spring edition of the six magazine and 198 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: I personally thought it was so well put together. You 199 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: had so much information in there, you did so much research. 200 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: How long did it take you to put this article together? Uh, 201 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: this probably took me a couple of months worth of research, 202 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: asking a lot of questions, looking for UM, some really 203 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: good science behind it. I think it's really interesting to 204 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: bring up Michael Phelps being a cannabis user UM and 205 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: such a great athlete. A lot of that has to 206 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: do with anxiety that they really need to be able 207 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: to control that anxiety, and sometimes there are pharmaceuticals that 208 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: won't do it. UM and it can really help them 209 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: improve their performance by decreasing those pre and post competition anxieties. 210 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: And you talked about the story. The article headline is 211 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: anxiety and Cannabis. What are some of the anxiety symptoms 212 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: out there? Somebody's like going, I feel this, I feel 213 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: that what if this is anxiety? Right? And I think 214 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: that the symptoms can really change from person to person. 215 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: But you feel all sorts of things. It's a nervousness. 216 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: It can be that when you're you know, you feel 217 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: that pit in the bottom of your stomach. UM. It 218 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: can even be it can be massive headaches. It can 219 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: be shaky hands, it can and it can be really um, 220 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: just a feeling of dread and depression. So anxiety and 221 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: depression tend to go hand in hand um And sometimes 222 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: we try to put those things off as just normal feelings, 223 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: but they really aren't. It means something's out of balance 224 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 1: in your body. Let me ask you this, bonny, performance 225 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: enhancing drugs. You made a comment a second ago about 226 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: how this can help performance because it relieves their anxiety 227 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 1: before or after or both. And tell me how that's 228 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: different from performance enhancing drugs that are banned in in 229 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: all these sports. Well, I'm not an expert in performance 230 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: enhancing drugs, but I believe that those are actually compounds 231 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: that will improve things like blood flow, um, decreased muscle fatigue, 232 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: actually the improved physical parameters around performance, where something like 233 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: cannabis wouldn't be considered performance enhancing necessarily. It's something that 234 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: can put you in the right mental state to compete better, 235 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: not necessarily a physical state to compete better. No, Bonny, 236 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: I got a question just about your background. A little 237 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: bit about your background. Where did you study. I went 238 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: to the University of Arizona, got my degree in nutrition, 239 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: and then I got my master's degree at Colorado State. 240 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: Um I was born and raised here in Colorado, so 241 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: I came home you know something, Oh sorry, I sometimes 242 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: I get anxiety, but when I smoke, you know, and 243 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: and so I think it's just different for a lot 244 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: of people. I mean, you know, I I don't smoke 245 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: as much as I used to, and um, I purposely 246 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: don't because for a while I was smoking so much 247 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: that it didn't I didn't really know whether you know, 248 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: it was the cannabis or if it was just myself. 249 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: But then I realized once I you know, got away 250 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: from it completely, you know, that it was when I smoke, 251 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: or if I smoke too much, And I was smoking 252 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: with tobacco like rolled in blunts and different kinds of tobac. 253 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: So it also got probably helped helped, you know, with 254 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,239 Speaker 1: my anxiety, but it would add a lot of anxiety. 255 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: But I realized when I if I ate a small 256 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: dose of edibles, that I didn't have that anxiety as well. 257 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: So I think it's a you know, chip for chat. 258 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: What do you think about people that do do get 259 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: it for when they do smoke as well? Well, I 260 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: think it's really important to understand that cannabis has kind 261 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: of a dual nature that a little bit can help 262 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: control anxiety and too much can actually cause anxiety. So 263 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: it's really a matter of figuring out that perfect dose 264 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: and timing for yourself that doesn't push you over that 265 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: edge into the anxious feelings. But for a lot of people, 266 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: really low doses or micro dosing of cannabis can help 267 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: control that anxiety all day long. Um So just taking 268 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: you know, a little bit at a time, and that's 269 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: where edibles really can come in or even tinctures come 270 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: in to help titrate those dosages. So that's a small 271 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: amount controlling that anxiety over a long period of time. 272 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: And we always talk about dosing up, starting small, dosing up. 273 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: And one of the things Joe is always saying now 274 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: he uses CBD and he likes to refer to like, 275 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: I know, if I have to take an ad bill, 276 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: that directions say take two for my weight and my 277 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: this and my that. There really isn't anything yet for cannabis. 278 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: What what are your thoughts and comments on getting to 279 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: that point? Do you think it will ever happen? How 280 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: close are we what do you think? Well, I think 281 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: it's really difficult to come to that point with any 282 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: kind of natural product that's derived from plants. UM, there's 283 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: a lot of standardization that has to go on before 284 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: you can actually start putting out specific doses for weights 285 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: or for genders or for age groups and stuff like that. 286 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: What I think is even more important is to work 287 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: with somebody like a cannabis consultant to really figure out 288 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: and titrate those doses up. So when I work with patients, 289 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: I have them keep a pretty detailed diary about how 290 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: they feel before they take it, how much they take, when, 291 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: how they feel within fifteen minutes, a half an hour, 292 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: or two hours UM. And then we can really balance 293 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: that out so that people find that perfect sweet spot 294 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: and don't go over it and then and don't waste 295 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: their time going under it either. If it's not making 296 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: you feel better, there's no reason to do it, So 297 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: you do have to add a little bit at a time. 298 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: But I think that UM, that's one of those common 299 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: misconceptions is we should all know how to take this 300 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: UM and just wing it UM. But there are actually 301 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: people out there who can really help you figure that 302 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: out for yourself. When did you start studying and researching 303 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: cannabis as part of your practice. When did you bring 304 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: that into the game for you? So? I brought cannabis 305 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: into my practice about six or seven years ago. UM. 306 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: We had been living in Chicago. UM. I was had 307 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: a really high level executive job, and I was struggling really, 308 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:37,119 Speaker 1: really bad with anxiety. And I had tried some prescription 309 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: medications that made me feel weird and awful. UM. The 310 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: anxiety had gotten bad enough that I decided to give 311 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: up that job and move home to Colorado. UM. And 312 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: on our move back here, UM, my husband begged me 313 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: to try cannabis for my headaches, and it worked within 314 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. And I have been an advocate and educator 315 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: ever since. Was your husband as well? No, my husband 316 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: is actually a pilot. That is That's great. Let me 317 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: ask you this body. I'm looking at some pre notes 318 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: that we've made here, and you've got I think you 319 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: say something to the effect of CBD slows the breakdown 320 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: of natural and then quote unquote bliss molecules in your 321 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: brain which may help keep anxiety symptoms away. What is that? 322 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: Sounds like a beautiful word, bliss. What what is so 323 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: your brain actually produces a molecule called anandamide, which is 324 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: almost identical to th hc um, but it produces it 325 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: in small amounts and it's broken down really really quickly 326 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: to try to maintain balance in your brain. When you 327 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: take CBD, it actually slows down the breakdown of that 328 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: natural anandomide so that you have a little bit longer 329 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: lasting effects of that bliss molecule that actually makes you 330 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: feel calm um makes and takes away some of those 331 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: anxiety symptoms. Well, that's the same for th HC. If 332 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: you don't do too much, well, th HC actually will 333 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: stimulate all those good feelings too, because it looks exactly 334 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: like a nandomde It's just comes from an external source 335 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: that comes from an outside source. So th HC looks 336 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: like that bliss molecule to your brain and it uses 337 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: it the same way. Th HC is not broken down 338 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: as quickly. It actually hangs around in your system quite 339 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: a bit longer. And that's why taking a little bit, 340 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: taking too much, or taking a lot will give you 341 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: that high feeling, where when your brain naturally reluses a 342 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: nandom mind, you won't ever get high from that. We're 343 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: talking to Bonnie Johnson right now. She has a new 344 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: article in the CRX magazine about anxiety and cannabis. And 345 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: we've mentioned on here. As you and Blue were talking, 346 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: uh and going back and forth, you said, too much 347 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: th HC can also cause some type of anxiety. And 348 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering to the pot brothers at law, I've 349 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: never seen anybody smoke as much as you, Mark and Craig. 350 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: You try to hold on there too. But when you guys, 351 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: do you guys ever smoked too much that you guys 352 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: feel some anxiety, because I've never seen it happen between 353 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: you two, and we've been around each other for quite 354 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: a few years now, I've seen it on him. Never, 355 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: you shouldn't get anxiety. I mean, I've seen them smoked. 356 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: I've seen a little brother. I've seen little brother take 357 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: tabs and and and and be a little bit uncomfortable. 358 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: I don't know what he's holding under there, what you 359 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: know how to how to you know uncomfortable? I don't 360 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. He's just he's just pinging 361 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: off the walls. He's pains, he's a PingER. We keep 362 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: the anxiety level level headed, But when you guys, never, never, never, 363 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: When you guys spoke a lot of weeks. I have 364 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: friends that have though. I mean it does. It can, 365 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: cause we've seen a lot of people. I mean, I'm 366 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: sure everyone has. Yeah, I had a lot of people 367 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: work through it. I will say that in reading, in 368 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: reading the article, in Bonnie's article mentioning UH one of 369 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: the symptoms anxiety disorders O c D or you have 370 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: a lot of them. When I was reading, I was 371 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: thinking of you. But no, big brother has a lot 372 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: of O c D. Smoke so much cannabis. How come 373 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't help his O c D? What are you 374 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: talking about? Wait? I got wait, I gotta, I gotta 375 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: straighten my computer. It's crooked. Correctly, Bonnie and the article, 376 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: more than one in six Americans take UH some type 377 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: of antidepressant for the psychiatric drugs. I mean, how crazy 378 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: is that to think of? And why is it cannabis 379 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: being used more? When you look at a statistic like that, Well, 380 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: I think that there's two things that contribute to not 381 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: being used more. Number one, like we already said, is 382 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 1: the standardization and not being able to write a prescription 383 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: for dose and timing um for somebody and just walk 384 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: out of the office. And that's unfortunately, as Western medicine 385 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 1: is probably consumers of Western medicine. That's what we're used to, 386 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: and that's what we feel comfortable with. So when somebody 387 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: says to you, hey, you could try cannabis. We don't 388 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: know how much or um or when to take it 389 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: or what kind of take, but you could experiment on yourself. 390 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,719 Speaker 1: We tend to shy away from those kinds of things. 391 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: But I do think we're seeing the population grow that 392 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: they are taking a little bit more responsibility for their 393 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: health and they're willing to try cannabis. But I think 394 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: the second, the second um kind of scary part is 395 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: is that when you do take it and maybe get 396 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: too much, or you do it in the wrong way 397 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 1: um without keeping track, it can cause that paranoia, that 398 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: anxiety feeling, and then they think that they're doing the 399 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: wrong thing. So, you know, like there's kind of two 400 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: sides to this. One is you have to be willing 401 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: to experiment with yourself, and two is you need to 402 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: be working with somebody who knows what they're doing so 403 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: that they can help you along the way. Yeah, and 404 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: that's why micro docing is probably so important for everybody 405 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: out there who's gonna try to use this as a 406 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: you know drug that you're gonna take, you know, you know, 407 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: whatever you're as a medicine you're gonna use, and explain 408 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: a little bit more, and we've touched on it a 409 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: little bit what micro docetion is and how it should 410 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: be looked at and how so much you go at it. Well, 411 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: So micro dosing is consuming really small amounts of cannabis 412 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: over a longer period of time. So when I work 413 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: with my patients, I will recommend um either using a 414 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: tincture because that's pretty easy to dose correctly, so it'll 415 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: be maybe um, maybe UM seventy five milligrams I'm sorry, 416 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: point seven five milligrams of a th h C cbd 417 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: blend every two hours to see if that controls anxiety. UM, 418 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: keeping in mind that those tinctures take fifteen to twenty 419 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: minutes to work. If I have a really adventurous claim, 420 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,959 Speaker 1: I do work with a vape pen. I think that 421 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: those are among the safer ways to do it again 422 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: because you can dose so easily UM, And it's basically 423 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: one puff every two hours of a one to one 424 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: cbd th hc um blend and people really can control 425 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: that much better. And if you can do that over 426 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: the course of about fourteen days. I have some patients 427 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: who do that maybe once every three months, and it 428 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: puts their anxiety on track and they can be off 429 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,479 Speaker 1: of it for a while, and then they just have 430 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: to go back they start to feel anxious again. They'll 431 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: start that titration again, that micro dosing for about two weeks, 432 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: feel much better and that will hold them off for 433 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: a couple of months. So it's not Why do you 434 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: feel it's taken so long for the medical community to 435 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: kind of hop on board with the cannabis industry. Oh, 436 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 1: I think that there's a gigantic political discussion behind that, right, 437 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: we don't. We don't have enough time for that. But 438 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: I have enough time. But what we do have time for. 439 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: What we do have time for, though, is I would 440 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: like you to explain to our listeners is, as in 441 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: late terms as you can, the endocannabinoid system and how 442 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: that works along with the anxiety. Okay, so your body 443 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: has a system called the endocannabinoid system. It's kind of 444 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: like your digestive system or your nervous system, but it's 445 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: a system that helps keep your body in balance in 446 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: a lot of different ways. And one of the ways 447 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: that we see endocannabinoid deficiencies or when your body is 448 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: not in balance. Your endocannabinoid system is not in balance, 449 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: is with this anxiety and depression symptoms um and. That 450 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: is because you may not have enough of the natural 451 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: UM molecules being released from your brain that keep your 452 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: endocannabinoid system in balance. One of those is a nandomide 453 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: that I just talked about that looks a lot like 454 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: th hc um. If your body is not producing enough anandomide, 455 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: you're not going to have that sense of calmness, and 456 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: you actually can see increasing anxiety symptoms um and and 457 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: that can be for a number of reasons. It can 458 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: be because of too much stress, it can be genetic 459 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: that your body doesn't produce enough of it in the 460 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: first place. There's a number of reasons why that may happen. 461 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: But you can do things from am an outside perspective 462 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: to help balance your endocannabinoid system back, and those things 463 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: are th HC and CBD. So cannabis does help balance 464 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: that endocannabinoid system, but there's some research that shows that 465 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 1: even exercise and eating healthy can actually help bring that 466 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: into balance because it can increase your body's ability to 467 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: produce those natural uh end the endocannabinoids, those carnabinoids that 468 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: your brain makes to make you feel calm. There you go. 469 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: We are here with Bonnie Johnson, writer for CRX Magazine, 470 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: Masters of Science degree and nutrition registered dietitian. Thank you 471 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: so much for joining us on Cannabis Talk one O one. 472 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,479 Speaker 1: One of the things I saw in your article transcranial 473 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: magnetic stimulation isn't that shock treatment? Um? It's a very 474 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: new it's a much much more more sound version of 475 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: shock treatment. Yes, um. And it is only used in 476 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: extreme cases of anxiety and depression. But it can put 477 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 1: your brain back into balance when it's been unbalanced for 478 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: so long? Isn't that what they did? And one flew 479 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: over the cuckoo's nest? Like I said, technology has advanced 480 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: quite a bit. They also used the pillow too. I'll 481 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: stick with the cannabis. I think that sounds safer to me. People. 482 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: You know, you did tyes of research and the seven 483 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: misconceptions about using cannabis for anxiety. Speak on those a 484 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: little bit, well. I think that people for my number 485 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: one is always people think that natural is better than synthetic, 486 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: or natural is better than pharmaceutical which is a misconception. 487 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: And well, I do believe that cannabis is a really 488 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: great treatment for anxiety and natural treatment for anxiety. Sometimes 489 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: it needs to be used in conjunction with pharmaceuticals, so 490 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: there's not always a one one or the other. Things 491 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: can be used in tandem if they're used correcte UM. 492 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: Like I said before, continuous use may not be necessary. 493 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: You may be able to use cannabis for seven to 494 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: fourteen days put your body back in balance, and then 495 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: be and take a break for a couple of months, 496 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: and then when those anxiety symptoms start to return, use 497 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: it on and off, so it's not something that you 498 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: have to do all the time to keep your body 499 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: in balance. Um. And then again we talked about that 500 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: idea that high doses of cannabis UM can be harmful 501 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: and can cause the opposite effects. So you need to 502 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: hit that sweet spot between too little and too much 503 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: so that you do have something that can control those 504 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: anxiety symptoms. When talking about hold on, hold on, I'm sorry, 505 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: I gotta mention this because you're talking about harmful effects. 506 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: What can you tell us about cannabinoid hypermesis syndrome. Well, 507 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: that's in the next that's in the summer issue of 508 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: CRX magazine. I'm ahead of my time. I'm usually ahead 509 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: of my time. Of it's it's rare, and it's not 510 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: only high. It's not only using high amounts of cannabis, 511 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: but very very long term UM at that very high 512 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 1: level UM. And there is a syndrome. It's a real thing, 513 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: UM and you can control it by taking a cannabis break. 514 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: It's as simple as that. And that's really the one 515 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: way that they can diagnose it is if they stop 516 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: using cannabis and all your nausea and vomiting goes away. 517 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: That's probably what it was. And that's HS is recurrent nausea, vomiting, cramping, 518 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: abdominal pain due to cannabis use, long long term, high 519 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: doses of cannabis use. So I'm at risk probably, so Mark, Well, 520 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: there it is, guys. It's Cannabis Talk one on one. 521 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this break. Welcome back to 522 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: Cannabis Talk one on one. I'm Mark Washerman, little brother 523 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: the Pop brothers in law with my big brother Craig, 524 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: Joe Grande and Big Blue, and we want to give 525 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: our very special thanks to our producer Elvis, our social 526 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: media director Jennifer Bethan Sophia and David Wasserman at I 527 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: Heart for helping us get this podcast up and out 528 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: to the world. And a very special shout out to 529 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: Big Boy because he deserves it, and everyone who has 530 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: supported Cannabis Talk one oh one. We truly appreciate all 531 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: of you. And now the time of the show to 532 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: get to the High five with Cannabis Talk one oh 533 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: one and our guest Bonnie Johnson. Joe, take it away. 534 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: Try It's the High five with Bonnie Johnson, who has 535 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: an article in the spring issue of CRX magazine Anxiety 536 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: and Cannabis, and we've got to hear a lot of 537 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: great things about it. But Bonnie, now it's your time 538 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: to open up. How old you How old were you 539 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: the first? Yeah? How how old were you the first 540 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: time you smoked weed? And where'd you get it from? 541 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: This is a judgment free zone, right absolutely. I was. 542 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: I was forty two and I went down dispensary in 543 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: downtown Denver and bought it myself. That's Craig has kids 544 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: that are forty two. Yeah, So, so what what is 545 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: your favorite way to use cannabis? I do use of 546 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: eight pen um with a variety of different cartridges. Very nice. Well, 547 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: this is the High five with Bonnie Johnson on High 548 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. What is the craziest place you've ever used 549 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: or smoked cannabis? Well, so I have to say again, 550 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: judgment free zone at this point, it's probably my parents house, 551 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: just right in front of my right in front of 552 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: my mom and dad. They know that I use it medically. Um, 553 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: and it has become a totally judgment free way. Um. 554 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: Just like take popping a couple of ad films and 555 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: you get a headache. Did they partake with you? No, 556 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: my parents do not. Well, Mark and Craig's parents don't 557 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,479 Speaker 1: roll you up a joint in a heartbeat. Yes we do. 558 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: And it's the Cannabis Talk one oh one High five 559 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: with Bonnie Johnson of CRX Magazine writer. Question number four, 560 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: what is your go to munchies when you get high? Well, 561 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: because I do, I really practice micro dosing. I don't 562 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: ever really get high. But my go to munchy regardless 563 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:32,479 Speaker 1: of time is nacho cheese Doritos. Even though but just 564 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna judge that. We're gonna judge that alone. I've 565 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: seen your pictures. You know, it doesn't matter. You can 566 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: eat a whole bag. Question number five and the high five. 567 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: If you could smoke cannabis with anyone, who would it be? Again, 568 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go with my husband, Um. Hopefully 569 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: by sixty five he'll retire from the indust from the 570 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: airline industry, and we will meet on the jetway with 571 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: a gigantic due and just sit in the gate area 572 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: and get high. And so funny, bunny, I have my kids, friends, 573 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: parents whatever. His dad is as a pilot, and he 574 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: said that. The wife said the same thing, like, I 575 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: can't wait to smoke with my husband once he's not 576 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: a pilot. Like where did I hear this from? Before? 577 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: That is so interesting? And before we end, I got 578 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: to ask, you've done so much research on this, You've 579 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: done so much research period, what do you find that 580 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: works best for treating this as far as cannabis, smoking, tinsters, 581 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: and edible dabbing, What have you noticed will help the 582 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: most with the anxiety and the quickest In terms of anxiety, 583 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: I think that smoking actually helps the quickest and can 584 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: be the most long term, easily controllable way to to 585 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: treat it. Tinctures are probably my second choice. They're my 586 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: second choice because they're a little bit harder to come 587 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: by and you can't always guarantee the quality that you're 588 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: getting or the mix that you're getting. So I really 589 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: like the Ape cartridges and you just get such a 590 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: quicker experience with that. The one thing I always say 591 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: no to when it comes to treating anxiety with cannabis 592 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: is dabbing. Do you want to talk about the fastest 593 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: way to cause a panic attack or an anxiety attack? 594 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: Dabbing will do it. Oh yeah, I got I gotta admit. 595 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: I gotta admit. Seven years ago, when I first dab 596 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: I I had to ground myself for riding my motorcycle 597 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: for about six I was stuck where I was and 598 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,959 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was so much anxiety, but 599 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: I have never got that high. Now I d subsequently 600 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,719 Speaker 1: haven't been that bad. But that first experience of dabbing 601 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, if I had anxiety, i'd 602 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: have been it would have been off the charts. Joe, 603 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: what do you think? What do you think? Well, there 604 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: it is, guys. You know, we want to thank you 605 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: Bonnie for being on the show. Make sure you check 606 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: out Bonnie Johnson and CRX Magazine. Uh you know, is 607 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: any final final words from you, Bonnie before we check 608 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: out of here. I think that the most important thing 609 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: is that CRX mag is a free subscription. Go to 610 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: cr X mag dot com subscribe yourself. It's a great 611 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: resource for healthcare professionals, doctors, nurses, dietitians who are interested 612 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: in the cannabis space. Well, there it is, guys, It's 613 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: Cannabis Talk one oh one. Remember this. If no one 614 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: else loves you, we do. 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