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Thank you for being with us. 21 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: They're in Florida in the Shadow of Disney. The remains 22 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: of a human body have been found in a fire 23 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: pit under a fire pit, as a matter of fact, 24 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: deep under a fire pit in a suburban backyard. What happened? 25 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to this right now. 26 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: It's it's very mysterious and quite suspicious. Suspicious. Well, that's 27 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: certainly putting perfume on the pig, you know. Ashley Willcott 28 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: with me, judge lawyer, founder of child crime watch dot com. Suspicious, 29 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: I think I would use maybe a different term because 30 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: if somebody dies accidentally, uh, they die of natural causes, 31 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: you don't rush in the cover of darkness to the backyard, 32 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: dig deep down under your fire pit and bury the body. Right. 33 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: I don't think it's suspicious. I think it's criminals. So 34 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: that's that's exactly right. When you find bones under a firepit, 35 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: you've gotta be more than just suspicious. You gotta know 36 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: there's a crime. It's got to be a murder. There's 37 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: really no two ways about it. The other thing is, 38 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the discovery of human remains. Now, 39 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: I know this is crazy. I don't know if this 40 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: ever happened to you. Also with me, Vincent Hill, private investigator, 41 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: former police officer. Vincent due to the nature of my 42 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: business prosecuting crime after crime after crime, literally handling about 43 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: I know this sounds crazy. Teno cases. By the time 44 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: you add up a hundred new felonies a week from 45 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: the grand jury at times four a month, times twelve 46 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: months a year, times ten years, it adds up. I 47 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: started having dreams not related to the cases I was trying, 48 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: of discovering a dead body and the strangest places like um, 49 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: going to a mall bathroom and there's a body in there, 50 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: or going out for a jog and there's a body, 51 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: or raking leaves and there's a body, and you start 52 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: dreaming these things. But did that ever happen to you? 53 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: It's still does to this date. There's still stuff that 54 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: I see. It's like, oh that brought back in memory 55 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: and I go to sleep and I dream about it. 56 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, it still happens. To this date. It still 57 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: happens to me too. See I don't think I don't 58 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: in my mind perceived that I think about it all 59 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: the time, but then I'll dream about it quite often. 60 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: So Vincent Hill, I guess it sticks with you. What 61 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: about it? Ask you, Wilcott. So, Nancy, when I take 62 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: my kids hiking, we love to look for things, right, 63 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: bugs and flowers and what do we see? And any 64 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: time that they see bone, it's like, oh my gosh, 65 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: what is this? It looks like it might have been 66 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: a mouse or a squirrel or a rabbit or a deer. 67 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: Can you imagine? So you're out and what do you find? 68 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: Human bones? So you're certainly going to find a skull 69 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: if nothing else to say, Oh my god, it's a person, 70 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: we know, Ashley, I don't know what kind of hikes 71 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: you're taking your children on because we usually look at 72 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: you know, leaves or um the spiderwebs, really go looking 73 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: for bones. That's a whole another take on Actually, okay, 74 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: I'll just I'll just store that away fro your knowledge 75 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: and my dew decimal system. But another thing is I 76 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: would really have to see like a human leg bone 77 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: or a rib cage put together all right, and it's 78 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: original state or a skull for me to realize, you know, 79 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: to the untrained eye that I'm looking at human remains. 80 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: But I guess you know, if you see a femur 81 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: or a skull or the bones together, if they are 82 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: still together, which in this scenario I believe that they were. 83 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say my understanding as all the 84 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: bones were found under the fire pit, So you're right, Nancy, 85 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: it wouldn't just be one bone. It would be all 86 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,119 Speaker 1: of the human bones from one body. And that would, 87 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: I think for all of us, would be a startling, 88 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: um uh, scary scary find. Yeah. I mean, it's not 89 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: like a Natalie Holloway alleged scenario where her bones had 90 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: been crushed and destroyed and mixed with other, for instance, 91 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: dog remains. That was the allegation in her case. So 92 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: you couldn't really tell what you were seeing. Um or 93 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: cases if you'll recall Tersa Hallback that her disappearance and 94 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: you know the photographer that was murdered by Stephen Avery 95 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: and Netflix making a murderer. Um her bones were were 96 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: burned and stirred up to a point where you couldn't 97 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: tell what you're seeing. But what I was trying to say, 98 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: in a roundabout way, forgive me, is that when you 99 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: find bones, most people, except for maybe you and I, 100 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: don't think that they're human bones. You find a bone, 101 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: you think somebody may be buried, their pet, or this 102 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: or that. So what stuck out to John Limley joining 103 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: US Crime Stories investigative reporter John who found human bones 104 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: under a fire pit in the backyard. See right there. 105 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: I find that a tiny bit odd. Why are you 106 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: digging under a fire pit for what? For instance, it 107 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: wasn't construction, They weren't putting laying out shrubs. Why are 108 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: you digging under a fire pit? Police have a very 109 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: good idea. Let's talk about the identity of the bones. 110 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: How did that process originate? I believe from a long 111 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: lost friend. Yes, Scott on a Tout was best friends 112 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: with Michael Shaver. Michael had moved from New York to Florida, UH, 113 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: several years before. They had been in contact a good 114 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: bit for a while, and then, like so many people, 115 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: they sort of stopped calling talking quite as much. They 116 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: got busy with their own lives. He hadn't heard from 117 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: Michael Shaver in quite some time, and he did chalk 118 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: it up to the fact that they were busy adults. 119 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: But when he hadn't heard from his buddy after a 120 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: few years, he thought, Okay, it's time to reach out. 121 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: And that's when he found out that Michael's friends and 122 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: family hadn't seen or heard anything of him in almost 123 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: three years. Scott said that one thing that really raised 124 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: his eyebrows, really raised his suspicion was the fact that 125 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: among those that hadn't seen Michael was his two kids. 126 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: Scott knew that as much as Michael loved his kids, 127 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: he would not just get up leave and never come back. 128 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: And that's and he decided it was high time to 129 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: reach out to deputies to check in on his old friend. 130 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: You know what's interesting about that, um, Vincent Hill, former cop, 131 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: were you with Mentves or Nashville? Vincent never lack of 132 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: business for you and me? I guess, um, which is 133 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: good and bad? Vincent with some people, well, a lot 134 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: of people, maybe the majority of the population. Uh, they 135 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: don't show up somewhere. You go, ah man as my 136 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: daughter's yesth man. But there are other people like I'm 137 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: looking at Jackie Howard right now. She's rubbing her knee. Okay, 138 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: I guess you're gonna have knee surgery. And but she's 139 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: at work. Okay. Um, if I had woken up one 140 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: morning and my mom and dad didn't happen to be there, 141 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: will there be something very very wrong because that had 142 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: never happened before. Same thing with my husband. Um. You know, 143 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: if I go Alan Duke and I don't hear his 144 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: voice pipe in immediately, I know some thing is wrong. 145 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: You know, there are some people they're like Big Ben, 146 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: you know what they're gonna do. They're dedicated to one 147 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: thing or another, and not showing up is totally a 148 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: red flag Vincent. I mean, there's I guess you can 149 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: divide the world into two types of people and ever 150 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: thought about it like this, the ones that show up 151 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: and the ones that flake out. That's right, Nancy. But 152 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: you know what's interesting about this. He was missing for 153 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 1: so long. No one had seen him for so long, 154 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: So I really questioned what was going on with the 155 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: other people in this life that didn't say anything about Yeah, 156 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: you know, that's totally weird. You know what, Jackie better 157 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: test my theory. Alan Duke, are you there? I'm here, okay, 158 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: all right, just making sure I got myself worried for 159 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: a moment. You know, you're right, Why why wasn't everybody 160 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: looking for him? Take a listen to this. Mr Shaver's 161 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 1: best friend called us and he informed us that he 162 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: had not heard from Mr Shaver in the last couple 163 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: of years at least, and he felt that that was 164 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: very unusual and out of character. That's the place, John Linley, 165 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 1: Crime Stories dot Com investigative reporter, What happened next? Investigators 166 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: after this call from Scott Almatuccio about Michael Shaver's well 167 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: just sort of vanishing, These investigators went to Michael Shaver's 168 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: home near Claremont. This is not too far away from Orlando. 169 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: They met with Michael's wife, Lorie, who said she hadn't 170 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: seen her husband since twenty Deputies say at first she 171 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 1: was very friendly. She invited them inside to talk. After 172 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: talking to her for a few minutes, though, the conversation 173 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: ended up making its way back outside. And it's just 174 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,239 Speaker 1: about there that she stops talking, she stops being cooperative, 175 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: and she said she needed an attorney hold on right there. 176 00:10:55,679 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott, juvenal judge found her child Crime Watch dot Com. Ashley, 177 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: when somebody, for no reason, it's like the cop comes 178 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: up and says, hey, I think your is I think 179 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 1: your tag is you know, expired, and suddenly you hit 180 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: the gas at ninety m p h. Most people wouldn't 181 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: do that that say oh no, okay, I'm sorry please 182 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: don't give me a ticket that it's flight, it's it's 183 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: suggest wrongdoing. Where up to that point, you know, the 184 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: officer had no idea there's a dead body in the trunk. 185 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,719 Speaker 1: But another thing immediately she the wife wants to law 186 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: your up. But they also noticed something very significant fresh 187 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: concrete near a fire pit in the backyard. Okay, so 188 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: she wants a lawyer and they see freshly poured concrete, ding, 189 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: ding ding. As soon as she said lawyer and started 190 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: to get uncooperative, then they think something nefarious as a foot. 191 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: But let me say this honestly, Nancy, how many times 192 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: do we see cold cases where twenty thirty years later 193 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: they're trying to figure out what happened That could be 194 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: one of these cases if she didn't act that way, 195 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: if she hadn't asked for a lawyer. So it was 196 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: a red flag and giveaway to say, wait, something's not 197 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: right here. So they notice the freshly poor concrete. The 198 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: wife suddenly, instead of being cooperative, refuses to speak, demands 199 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: a lawyer, and they call in the cadaver dogs to 200 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: John Limley listen to this kind of bond speaking to 201 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: her for a few minutes, the conversation ended up making 202 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: its way outside the home, at which time she stopped 203 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: being cooperative and she requested her attorney, Now, what can 204 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: you tell me, John Limley about the older sister? What 205 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: does what did she say about his disappearance? Well, she also, 206 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: just like Michael's friends Scott Amatuccio, she had had a 207 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: lot of questions about what not only his disappearance, but 208 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: what had been going on with Lorie end at the 209 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: house over these intervening years. One thing that she told 210 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: investigators is that Lori had remarried. That there was no 211 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: divorce that she knew of, but that Lorie had remarried, 212 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: and the wedding ceremony interestingly took place in the backyard, 213 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: not too far away from that suspicious fire pit. Ashley 214 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott, she could have at least filed for a 215 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: divorce and when he didn't respond, get one a divorce 216 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: on her own. In this country, you don't have to 217 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: have the other person's consent to a divorce, and if 218 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: they don't respond to your filings. He published it in 219 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: the paper for X amount of months, in periodicals newspapers 220 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: that in the area where they were last known to be, 221 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: and if they don't answer, you get your divorce. Default. 222 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: It's like not showing up to a softball game. You 223 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: win because the other side didn't show up. I mean, 224 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: that's pretty brazen. That's a bad move. You know. I 225 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: don't want to be a how to manual for killers, 226 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: but you don't commit big and me in the eyes 227 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 1: of the law and then get married, you know, exchanging 228 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: your vows on the top of your fire pit with 229 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: your husband six ft under it. That's right, And she 230 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: could have gotten a divorce easily. But obviously, you know 231 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: what's that adage? It's not this Bert Batim. But criminals 232 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: aren't always smart, right, so she she wasn't necessarily smart 233 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: about how to hide her crime or what to do next. 234 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: I think she killed him and then said, oh, yeah, 235 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: now I can get remarried. I mean, Vincent Hill, that's 236 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: such another red bell of alarm because she didn't bother 237 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: to get a divorce. She just got remarried. Why because 238 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: arguably she knew or her first husband would never complain. Yeah, Nancy, 239 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: I guess she knew that. You know, he wouldn't contest 240 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: this divorce if you will, because he's not around to 241 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: do it. But I'd be really interested to find out 242 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: what went on in that home to and make him 243 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: end up in his backyard under new concrete, under a 244 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: fire pit. Listen to this, guys, listen to this. We 245 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: had some deputies out here and they spent the night 246 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: and they came and asked me some questions and said 247 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: they were looking for the guy that used to live there. 248 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: Very quiet um, A really nice guy, and I know 249 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: he really cared about his kids a lot. So when 250 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: I didn't see him here to get them or have 251 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: them or visit them for a couple of years, I 252 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: kept wondering, Okay, this is really strange. And also we 253 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: know that he worked at Disney, working on Disney's mono 254 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: rails there in Florida. John Limley, Crime Stories, Investigative Reporter. 255 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: What else do we know? Where does the case stand now? Well, 256 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: when they began digging, as we have indicated, they did 257 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: find bones. They first found part of an arm bone, 258 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: and this really let investigators know they were on the 259 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: right path. They continued to excavate, they found a few 260 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: of They found a complete skeletonized body along with clothing. 261 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: After some testing, after an autopsy, they determined that the 262 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: body was indeed that of Michael Shaver. M m m 263 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: m m m mmm. Wow. In all these years, his 264 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: children have believed Dad just skipped out on them and 265 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: never bothered to communicate with them again. You know, it's 266 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: a big tip off when cops asked the why can 267 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: they bring in cadaver dogs and she says, no, yeah, 268 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: we are on it. As the case progresses, the body 269 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: identified positively as Michael Shaver, husband father, a longtime employee 270 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: at Disney there in Florida. Finally some answers for his children. 271 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: There's a brand new website causing a lot of truble 272 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: for people with something to hide. Have you ever had 273 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: a bad feeling about somebody? May be suspected your partners cheating, 274 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: maybe worried about your online reputation. If you answer yes 275 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: to any of those questions, you may need truth Finder. 276 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: Public records are only recently easily available online. 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Then thirty years past, 295 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: in the last hours, a major break in the case 296 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: the case of Dr Catherine Bestcone Bestcone suffering a horrific 297 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: brain injury that left her blind and leading needing life 298 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: time care. Now after her investigators finally determined that she 299 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 1: in fact had been murdered. Straight out to Alan Deep 300 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: joining me out of l a Alan. Not only raped, 301 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,959 Speaker 1: which is a horrible trauma to go through, but strangled 302 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: to the point that she was left blind, brain damaged 303 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,719 Speaker 1: and in need of constant care for the rest of 304 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: her life. What happened to Dr Catherine Bascone? It was 305 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: on June She was in her bed, raped, nearly strangled 306 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: to death at her home. She was twenty eight years 307 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: She had been a doctor for just one year, an 308 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: osteopath in Dallas, Texas, and as you said, left her blind, 309 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: confined to a bed, where she remained for the last 310 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: three decades. Stars, Oh my stars, that's a fate many 311 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: would consider worse than death, to be blind and brain 312 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: damage and left in a bed for the rest of 313 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: your life. You know what that says to me? Vincent Hill, 314 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: private investigator, former Nashville p D that the probably thought 315 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 1: he left her dead. Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. He thought for 316 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: sure that his victim was dead and nothing would ever 317 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: tie back to him. Ashley will cut with me, Ashu, 318 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: I guarantee you the perp thought she was dead, absolutely, 319 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 1: And I think that any time that somebody has that 320 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: sphe of injuries and is bedridden to that extent, clearly 321 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: there was a motive to kill the person, not to 322 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: just hurt him. So go tell me the rest. What 323 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: happened then to Alan? Do so? This woman is confined 324 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: to her bed for thirty years. No break in the 325 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: case than what happens well, and one of the things 326 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: unusual about this, maybe not for a rape case, but 327 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: it didn't get any publicity. There's absolutely no news coverage, 328 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: no publicity around this case. As we researched this, we 329 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: couldn't find any of that, although I did find an 330 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: article from the year before war a magazine in Dallas. 331 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: D Magazine did a profile on her which she talked 332 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: about how she was excited about moving back to Dallas, 333 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: her own town, and being an osteopath with her dad. 334 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 1: Other than that, this woman's life has not been documented 335 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: and so it sat on the evidence shelf for thirty 336 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,479 Speaker 1: years until she died. But thanks to a federal grant, 337 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: a Department of Justice grant that allows the prosecutors to 338 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: investigate sexual assault cases that have gone cold, they had 339 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: funding to reopen the case. So what happens next, Well, 340 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: they start looking at the DNA and the evidence file 341 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: you know from nineteen eight. Uh, they process it, they 342 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: match it up and okay, hold on, wait, Alan Duke, 343 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 1: who would ever have imagined the murderer, the rapist who 344 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: leaves this woman bedridden, blind, and brain damaged for thirty years. 345 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: Was another doctor, actually prestigious doctor in that same area. 346 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: So who is this guy that is matched up only 347 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: by d n A thanks to a federal grant. His 348 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: name is George Guoh. I'm not going to call him 349 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: a doctor because he's now a former medical doctor. He 350 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: was arrested in Houston this past in the past few days, 351 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: being held on five million dollars bond. Get this, That 352 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: date I told you in night in June would have 353 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: been doctor gouos seven birthday. Oh my stars wow. Ashley 354 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: Willcott joining me, judge, lawyer and founder of child crime 355 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: watch dot com. His birthday he rapes and in his 356 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: mind murders someone for his birthday. Right and he's a doctor. 357 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: So so many times when I'm on the bench, Nancy, 358 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: I see people are surprised by defendants because they assume, oh, 359 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: defendants are going to be I don't know, someone of 360 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: the mental health issues are out on the street or 361 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: homeless or look funny, aren't educated boys? That not true. 362 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: This is a doctor. And at the time, the only 363 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: reason anyone realized something was wrong is Katherine Buscone's sister 364 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: checked in on her apartment there on Abbott Avenue after 365 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: Katherine didn't show up for a family get together. So 366 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: when her sister didn't show, she goes by her house 367 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: and finds her apparently dead, having been sex assaulted in 368 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: her own bed. And she hadn't gone over there, It's 369 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: very possible Catherine would have died right there. And then 370 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: neighbors actually told police at the time they had seen 371 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: her outside her apartment the night before that she had 372 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: been found and they heard a quote, commotion in her 373 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: apartment around three a m. The neighbors also reported seeing 374 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: a quote Asian man dressed in all black around the 375 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: area in the days before Bestcone was attacked. Now, that 376 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: is what we have learned from combing through the warrant 377 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: in this case. You know, that's a lot of evidence, Alan, 378 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: do you I mean, if he raped her, there had 379 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: to be uh seminal fluid. I mean, it didn't have 380 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: to be, but typically there would be. And neighbors saw 381 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: an Asian male that's their description, dressed in black around 382 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: the area and the days leading up to it, which 383 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: means he was stalking her. He must have known her 384 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: from work in the medical practice. And not only that, 385 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: neighbors here commotion round three am. So you've got the 386 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: time of the incident, you've got a potential eyewitness and 387 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: d n A. So I don't understand what went wrong? Alan, 388 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: do you know? They compare what happened the evidence that 389 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: they're now seeing from that crime, it is strikingly like 390 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 1: another crime just three years later in the Dallas area 391 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 1: where another home was broken into by someone wearing all 392 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: black and guess who that was? To Guo, Dr Guo, 393 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: Now let me ask you a question. Is this the 394 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: one incident? Yeah? Go ahead, he well caught outside a 395 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: home he was arrested for. The charge was burglary of 396 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: a habitation. Right, he was just charged with the burglary 397 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: of an apartment of a student who at Southern Methodist 398 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: University in the Dallas area. The police came up on 399 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: this as it was going down. At the apartment door. 400 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: They caught doctor then Dr Guo standing there in the 401 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: apartment wearing all black. He had condoms, a ski mask, 402 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: military tear gas, and syringes filled with sedatives on him 403 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: and they charged him with burglary. Wow, you know what 404 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: that makes me think that if they had taken Dr 405 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: Katherine Bescone's blood at the time she may have had 406 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: sedatives in her system. Now in the one you're talking about, 407 00:25:55,359 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: the incident where they find Dr Guo, Uh, it's my 408 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: understanding is they the police broke down the apartment door 409 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: and catch the doctor, as you said, with condom, ski mask, 410 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: military tear gas and syringes field with sedatives. Wow, it 411 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: was all planned out as maybe only a doctor, could 412 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, with the syringes filled with sedatives. 413 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: Now catch This is also what we learned about Dr Guo. 414 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: He is a graduate of the University of Texas Southwestern 415 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: Medical School in Dallas, a licensed physician at the time 416 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: of the break in um Why why would someone was 417 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: so much going for them, a medical degree, the potential 418 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: to bring down quarter of a million dollars or more 419 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: a year, he could date any woman he wanted. Why 420 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: use all that intellect, all that power, all that privilege 421 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: to focus on raping and a salting women. Ashley Wilcott 422 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 1: the psychopath. Now I say that knowing I'm probably gonna 423 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: hear it from me because no, I'm not a psychologist, 424 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: where a psychiatrist, But clearly he's got some some tendencies 425 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: and psychopathic um actions that he's doing. Another thing I 426 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: mean it's like a fingerprint crime to Vincent Hill. As 427 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: a prosecutor, I would have made every point of similarity 428 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: in this case, so I could bring the ninety one 429 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: incident where the cots had to break down the door 430 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: in to prove the case on Katherine Bascone because in 431 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: that case, also the ninety one case, he was dressed 432 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: in all black. I mean, he really prepared for the 433 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: attacks in a meticulously bizarre way. The gear they all 434 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: in black, ninja outfit, the syringes full of sedatives, bringing 435 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: all of the accutrama he intended to use in the 436 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: attack and murder. It's a fingerprint crime to the attack 437 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: on Dr Catherine Beastcone. Vincent. Yeah, and it matches to 438 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: a teen Nancy. And you know most people call that 439 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 1: an m oh, you know, something that one person always 440 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: does when they're committing a crime. And it sounds like 441 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: this was his m O to go in with the 442 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: all black, with the sedatives. And to your point, had 443 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: police taken her blood, you know, thirty years ago, I 444 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: think we would have found the same exact sedative in 445 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: her system. Nancy, I've got a surprise for you what 446 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: he was arrested another time same thing in What else 447 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: do we know about this guy? Well, you know, uh, 448 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: sometimes criminals like to repeat themselves. This guy was very 449 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:51,479 Speaker 1: repetitive because it was one that time he got caught. Uh, 450 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: let's fast forward to he was arrested again burglary of 451 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: a habitation with intent to commit sexual assault, but this 452 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: time after breaking being caught breaking into a woman's apartment. 453 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: He was actually sent to prison, finally pleading guilty to 454 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: burglary with the intent to commit sexual assault. This was 455 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,479 Speaker 1: in Fort ben County, Texas. He was sentenced to fourteen 456 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: years in prison, finally getting out in as a registered 457 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: sex offender. And guess what registered sex offenders have to do. 458 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: They have to give their d n A. And that 459 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: is how he was caught. You know, it goes to 460 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: prove that evil crime knows no barriers. It's not about 461 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: age or socio economic level, or race or any other 462 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: barrier or differentiator that humans come up with. It's across 463 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: the boards. Here you have a doctor now accused of 464 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: multiple sex attacks and thirty years later, thanks to DNA murder, Well, 465 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: the party is over. True. Awards were never spoken, especially 466 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: for this high society now dubbed AFFLA weensa team to 467 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: not talking about Ethan Couch who gotten a drunken haze 468 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: and mowed down four people dead. A fifth left as 469 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: a quadriplegic for the rest of his life. I'm talking 470 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: about a brand new Affla wins a team arrested after 471 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: wrecking a five million dollar Hampton's home that happened to 472 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: belong to ABC correspondent and host George Stefanopolis. I didn't 473 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: know that until later, but when I take a look 474 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: at this guy, Connor Hawkins, with every advantage anyone could 475 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: possibly have in this country, gets drunk and high and 476 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: gets picked up by the East Hampton police. To Shawn 477 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: Walls your dailymail dot com, please tell me the whole 478 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: story about affluence A teen too who was simply too 479 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: affluent to know right from Nancy. This is one of 480 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: those stories that is the gift that keeps on giving 481 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: and truly shows that money can't buy you common sense. 482 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: This is a kid by the name of Connor Larkins 483 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: who was picked up by the police in East Hampton 484 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: after he destroyed the interior of a five point five 485 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: million dollar property that was once owned by George Stephanopolost 486 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: and his wife the actress Sally Wentworth, now Connor, who 487 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: lives in a swanky Fifth Avenue apartment in Manhattan overlooking 488 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: Central Park is in big trouble. Woh woa, whoa, whoa. 489 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute. Let's 490 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: just focus on that one moment when you say a 491 00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: swanky apartment overlooking the park, Karen Stark for an apartment 492 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: in New York looking over the park. Because in New York, 493 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I know, out of our little little, tiny, 494 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: tiny hovel, all you can see are other buildings, you know, 495 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: but you basically went right into somebody else's place. So 496 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: to have an apartment looking over the park, how much 497 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: would that set this guy back? More than the well 498 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: millions talking about million? That much money? That's correct, all right, 499 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: Sean Walt. So we've established the price of his digs 500 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,959 Speaker 1: where he lives with his family. Go ahead. So um, 501 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: This young man had been attending a post prom party 502 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: in East Hampton and the nine million dollar home of 503 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: investment banker Mark Stoker. Now it's uncord of Stoker was 504 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: at the party, but a fellow party go had told 505 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: police that the group, which included Stoker's high school daughter, 506 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: had set out to the Hamptons from man at midnight. Now, nanty, 507 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: this is a two and a half hour car ride, 508 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: and it's very difficult to get out there in anything 509 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: other than a private car. So at some point around 510 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: six am on Friday, they say that Color's behavior begin 511 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: to change. Wait a minute, is this the same Mark 512 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: Spielker that just got the forty eight point nine million 513 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: dollar payout when you left Goldman Sachs. That is it. 514 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: He is now the president of Apollo Global Management. So 515 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: this is someone who isn't short of cash. Well, where 516 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: is he? Well? You would think if you are hosting 517 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: the after prom party at your nine million dollar home, 518 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: you want to have parental supervision. But at this case, 519 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: no one knows whether he was home or not at 520 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: the time. Okay, So what I understand is they leave Manhattan, 521 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: New York City around midnight and take a bus after 522 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: a private school prom. Alright, So then what happens? This 523 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: is where it gets interesting. Uh, his friends were saying, 524 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: at some point around six am on Friday, Connor's behavior 525 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: begin to change, and his friends suggested that they've taken 526 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: Uber back to Manhattan. Now, let me just set the 527 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: scene here for your your listeners. That's gonna cost about 528 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,760 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty dollars if you're in a normal 529 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: Uber X. Now, if you choose Uber Black or Uber Suv, 530 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: that's going to be about a thousand dollars to get 531 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 1: this child home. So it's no small amount of money. Now, 532 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: he didn't like that idea, and he told his friends 533 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: that he would rather have a jet pack and so 534 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 1: they can leave this planet. So clearly there's something going 535 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: on with this boy. Eventually he gets into the vehicle, 536 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: but after driving just one mile, he fled from the 537 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: car and his friend told the driver to continue on 538 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: to the city and left Connor behind in the Hampton's 539 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: good friend. Uh. During this brief time, Connor had been 540 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: punching and kicking the interior of the vehicle. His friend 541 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: reported to the police later on, Well, and do you 542 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: blame the guy for leaving him behind? The guy needs 543 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: to go back home, the friend, and you've got the 544 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: affluence a team to kicking and punching the inside of 545 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: the car. I wouldn't go home with him either, So 546 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: it's his choice to stay there with this brat or 547 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: go home. You tell the driver to speed up and 548 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: keep driving, but you usually if your friends are in 549 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: a situation, doesn't sound like he's in a clear state 550 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: of mind, right, So I think I don't know as 551 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: someone as someone grew up and we go back to 552 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,479 Speaker 1: my home country of Australia, where the legal drinking age 553 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: is eighteen, which is far too young. As as far 554 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: as I've said, if your friends get in that position 555 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: where they're not acting right, I think the last thing 556 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: you should be doing is leaving them on the side 557 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: of the road. And basically what is country the countryside? 558 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: You need to either get them to a house or 559 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: get them to the hospital. Can't ask you another question. 560 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: You first said an Uber would cost about two or 561 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: fifty bucks to go from the Hampton's to the city, 562 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: but now you're saying a thousand dollars? What was that for? 563 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: Like an Uber X Yeah, I know. So if you 564 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: go a normal standard Uber, it's going to ask you 565 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: about t D and fifty dollars. But say you choose 566 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: like an Uber Black or an Uber Suv, the luxury 567 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: version of Uber, then it's going to go up to 568 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: something like a thousand dollars. Okay, I'm sorry, I've never 569 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,720 Speaker 1: had an Uber Extra, an Uber Black Luxury vehicle. Haven't 570 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: you heard about the Uber rides share anyway, that's a 571 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: whole another can of worms. I guess we're running a 572 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: different circle, Shawn Walsh. But back to the story. So 573 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 1: the friend comes on back into the city. Then what happens? 574 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: How did the mansion get trashed by affluentz A teen 575 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 1: too so um. The police report states that Kondo made 576 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: his way down the road after leaving the uber and 577 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: then he hopped over the wooden gate at twenty done 578 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 1: Mere Lane. He then broke into the home by smashing 579 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: through the front door and bloodied himself in the process. 580 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: The current owners of the home we're not home at 581 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,800 Speaker 1: the time, and Harkins has no relationship with any person 582 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 1: who's ever lived in the home. According to the police, 583 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 1: police say, the boy then ran. Did you say he's 584 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: mashed through the front door. Smashed through the front door, 585 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: and apparently Joseph let me for your for your listeners 586 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: out of the Hamptons. The houses are not close to 587 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: each other, so someone could break easily break into someone 588 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 1: else's home, and neighbors around aren't going to hear it 589 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: because these houses are very big homes on very big properties. 590 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: Basically out in the middle of nowhere near the ocean, 591 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: so there's not going to be a lot of rackets 592 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: caused at one home is not necessarily going to be 593 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: heard by an next door neighbor. So Joseph Scott Morgan, 594 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: forensics expert, joining us, this guy was so drunk and 595 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: or high that he smashed through the front door of 596 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: this mansion and that didn't stop him because he apparently 597 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:53,240 Speaker 1: flipped tables, he broke out windows, ruined the walls, every 598 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: I mean, and then he ends up passed out on 599 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: the front yard covered in his own blood. So my 600 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,879 Speaker 1: question to you is how high and or drunk would 601 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: he have to be because smashing and breaking down a 602 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 1: door and injuring himself didn't stop him. He continued on 603 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 1: his drunken rampage. Yeah, I gotta tell you, Nancy. One 604 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: of the things that I'm thinking is that if he 605 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: is so uh numbed uh to this, he would have 606 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: to be uh terribly high prior to, you know, prior 607 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: to passing out. That means that his pain receptors are 608 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: essentially shut down. If he is on some type of 609 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:35,319 Speaker 1: of drug, like that's an opioid like fentyl or maybe 610 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:40,800 Speaker 1: even heroin, he wouldn't have an awareness that he's he's uh, 611 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: inflicting pain upon himself. Seana mentioned, Uh, you know glass, 612 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: the sort of thing breaking through the wall. He wouldn't 613 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: have an awareness of this. So and if you combine 614 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: that with alcohol, which you know these kids are prost 615 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: post ProMED party, Uh, you got to think that they're 616 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: ingesting this as well. So it's a lethal combination where 617 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 1: you have no awareness pain whatsoever. John wash Dear email 618 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: dot com. Why weren't his parents looking for him? Or 619 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: were they? You know, it doesn't sound like they were, Nancy, 620 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: And I mean, this isn't just the only thing that happens. 621 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 1: So he gets into the home and causes ten thousand 622 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: dollars worth of damage. He flipped tables, ripped out screens, 623 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 1: he broke windows, he batted the walls, and then he 624 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: passed out on the front lawn covered in blood. That morning. 625 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,919 Speaker 1: He was then found by a construction worker who called 626 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: the East Hampton Village Police and officers on the scene 627 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: basically had to save this kid's life. Why. It appears 628 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: he had overdosed on drugs. He was revived by Narkin 629 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,320 Speaker 1: as you know, that's the drug that they used. To 630 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: bring you back to life if you're you've had a 631 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 1: drug overdose. He was, yeah, And then he was arrested 632 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 1: and booked on charges of burglary with the attempt to 633 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,399 Speaker 1: commit a crime and criminal mischiff, both felonies. He's also 634 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: charged with trespassing. On just a second, I'm going to 635 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 1: circle back to the charges. Shawan Walsh just gotten organ 636 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: If you have to be revived with narcan, what does 637 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: that tell you about his condition and the reason for 638 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 1: his condition. The reason for his condition, Nancy, I believe 639 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: that they had to use narcan is that he had 640 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: an opioid on board, something like a final or something 641 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: like a heroine. And what the narcan does is essentially 642 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:23,360 Speaker 1: shuts down the little receptors in the brain that latch 643 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: onto opioids, and it prevents uh, this kid from going 644 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: into total shutdown where he would succumb to the opiates 645 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: that are on board. So this would essentially freeze this 646 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: moment in Tom said that he could be stated the 647 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: story of the original Affluencit team Ethan Couch. Why Shaun 648 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,439 Speaker 1: Walsh dailymail dot com is this guy Connor Harkins being 649 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:52,919 Speaker 1: now now being called affluence the team too? I think 650 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,399 Speaker 1: because everyone is always intrigued by the lifestyles of both 651 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: the rich and the famous, and here is a rich 652 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 1: kid that has everything you can imagine in life, yet 653 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,399 Speaker 1: is behaving in a way allegedly that is like abominable. 654 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,359 Speaker 1: And so people get fascinated by this because they're like, look, 655 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: if I have my own children and they can behave, 656 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 1: how is it a kid that has everything hadded to 657 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: him on a platter able to behave in a way 658 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: like this, which is frankly shocking and allegedly criminal. What 659 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: do we know about his background, Sean? Where did he 660 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: go to school? He graduated from the private all boys 661 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 1: Browning School in and he's now a member of the 662 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: class of one at Hamilton's College. This is what I 663 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: know about the Browning School. I know to start with 664 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:45,800 Speaker 1: that tuition for two thousand eighteen is nearly fifty thousand dollars. 665 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 1: I know that much. What else do you know? I 666 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: know that money can't buy you class. Okay, that may 667 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,760 Speaker 1: be true. But about the Browning School, I know this. Uh. 668 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: It's a college preps school for boys. It was founded 669 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: all the way back in eighteen d eight by John Browning, 670 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 1: and it's really hard to get into. I know that much. 671 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 1: What more do you know? Shaan Walts run from kindergarten 672 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: through high school. It's located in the heart of New 673 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,760 Speaker 1: York City. Uh. It takes advantage of the city's vast 674 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 1: resources while also providing the boys with an education that 675 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,359 Speaker 1: only money and a lot of money you can buy. 676 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: And it's an all boys school. You know. Question to 677 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,840 Speaker 1: Troy Slate in l a defense lawyer. When you get 678 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:31,840 Speaker 1: a group of regular people like myself in a jury 679 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: and they hear this evidence, and they hear of a 680 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 1: privileged background, being fed with a silver spoon your whole life, 681 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:45,359 Speaker 1: and still showing out like this to me, that makes 682 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 1: it even worse, Troy, When you have every advantage and 683 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: you still end up in the front yard drunk and 684 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,799 Speaker 1: high administered narcan and you tore up somebody's home you 685 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 1: didn't even know. People don't like that, Troy. Well, aside 686 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 1: from the act that Lady Justice is supposed to be 687 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:08,240 Speaker 1: blind and not show any favor or disfavor to somebody 688 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,760 Speaker 1: because of their background. This is a prime example of 689 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 1: of how the scourge of opioid addiction knows no socio 690 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 1: economic or racial barrier. This is a kid who succumbs, 691 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 1: like so many Americans, to this horrific, horrific problem of 692 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 1: opioid addiction. Thank goodness the police were there to save 693 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 1: him in the final throws of of what was an overdose. 694 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,399 Speaker 1: He was about to die from this addiction. Sean Walls 695 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: Daemil dot Com. I know he was charged of secondary burglary, 696 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: but what else do we know about the charges entarraignment? 697 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,240 Speaker 1: That's right, Nancy. He was charged a second degree burglary 698 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: and second degree criminal mischief, both sylonies and also trespassed, 699 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: which is a misdemeanor. Was arranged the Saturday morning after 700 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 1: he was found in the garden before East Hampton Town 701 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 1: Justice Stephen Tikolski. He said bail at five thousand dollars 702 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: cash or ten thousand dollars bond. Mr Harkins family posted 703 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,879 Speaker 1: his bail, so we can only imagine he is now 704 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,440 Speaker 1: back comfortably resting at his Fifth Avenue apartment in Manhattan 705 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,440 Speaker 1: overlooking Central Park. Yes, Shawn, I understand that after spending 706 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: a night in a holding sale in the East Hampton 707 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: Village Police headquarters, Harkins was then brought to East Hampton 708 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 1: Town Justice Court. It was early on Saturday morning. He 709 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,839 Speaker 1: was arraigned in front of Justice Stephen to Tikolski. In 710 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: the courtroom, to my understanding, was a man that was 711 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,839 Speaker 1: identified as Harkins Dad, Peter Harkins, who was the head 712 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:55,080 Speaker 1: of Kovler Harkins, which is a pretty big law firm. 713 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,280 Speaker 1: They've got offices on Wall Street and in London. Now, 714 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:04,799 Speaker 1: the judge, Judge Takolski, asked Harkins what he did for 715 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,800 Speaker 1: a living. The answer was that he he had just gotten 716 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,880 Speaker 1: out of his first year of college and was about 717 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 1: to start a job with Jay Crewe, you know, the 718 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,720 Speaker 1: clothing store. He told the judge he lived at Fifth 719 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 1: Avenue and he gave a phone number. The bill was 720 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,759 Speaker 1: then set. The d a's office asked for bill to 721 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 1: be said at twenty thousand, but Takolski agreed with the 722 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 1: defense and granted just a five thousand dollar bond to 723 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: Karen Start, New York psychologist. What do you make of 724 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:41,320 Speaker 1: the defense used in the Ethan Couch case that Couch 725 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,400 Speaker 1: was just simply too affluent to understand the consequences of 726 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: his acts or the difference between right and wrong. Well, 727 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: we went over that case so many times in Nancy, 728 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,440 Speaker 1: and that was outrageous to say he did. Someone doesn't 729 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,360 Speaker 1: the difference because they're too wealthy, and the difference between 730 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 1: right and I'm not sure in this case because he 731 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 1: was almost dying from an overdose. So it sounds like 732 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,719 Speaker 1: this kid was being influenced by the drugs that he 733 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,239 Speaker 1: was taking. We need to take that into consideration. Well, 734 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,799 Speaker 1: there's no doubt in my mind about that. There's no 735 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,759 Speaker 1: doubt in my mind he was influenced by drugs. Care 736 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,319 Speaker 1: and start with Troy Slayton l a defense lawyer. He 737 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 1: was not in the throes of death because he broke through, 738 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: smashing down a door and proceeded to tear up a 739 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 1: whole home and then fling himself down in the front yard. 740 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 1: So he was not so near death that he couldn't 741 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:43,920 Speaker 1: destroy someone's home. Well, that's because the the the drugs 742 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 1: Nancy and Joseph Scott Morgan can explain this more had 743 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,279 Speaker 1: not necessarily yet reached their peak. As they were absorbing, 744 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: he was becoming more and more impaired, and I think 745 00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,360 Speaker 1: he may. Of course, we know that voluntary and talks occasion. 746 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,719 Speaker 1: If he took the drugs himself is not a defense 747 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,680 Speaker 1: that he may have the defense of involuntary intoxication. This 748 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,839 Speaker 1: is prom night. We know drugs are rampant at prom night. 749 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 1: Someone may have just handed him this and said, oh, 750 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,439 Speaker 1: this is a little something. He didn't know the full 751 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,920 Speaker 1: effects of it and could have a very good involuntary 752 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,480 Speaker 1: intoxication defense. But he's in his right mind. We will 753 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:28,399 Speaker 1: wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off, 754 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:36,520 Speaker 1: goodbye friend. 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