WEBVTT - Jim Herman

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<v Speaker 1>So here we are back for another edition of the

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<v Speaker 1>Friday Podcast and glad to have our guests for this week,

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<v Speaker 1>PGA Tour winner Jim Herman. Jim won the Shelle Houston

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<v Speaker 1>Open earlier this year and thrilling fashion beating the likes

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<v Speaker 1>of Hendrix Dentson and Dustin Johnson down the stretch to

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<v Speaker 1>win his first PGA Tour events.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Jim, thanks for coming on. Yeah, appreciate it. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for having me on and look forward to talking to

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<v Speaker 2>some golf and h you know what's coming up for

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<v Speaker 2>myself in the next couple of months and what's happened.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be fun, great, great.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think one of the things that I find

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<v Speaker 1>the most interesting with all pro golfers is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a journey and how the highs and lows of golf

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<v Speaker 1>in general. While there's you know, those instant success stories

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<v Speaker 1>such a Jordan Speth for a lot of guys, takes

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<v Speaker 1>a while and as we all as golfers have felt,

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<v Speaker 1>there are highs and lows and you know, it really

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<v Speaker 1>kind of can kick you while you're down.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think.

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<v Speaker 1>You you've got just a very unique story, one where

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<v Speaker 1>you know you you gave it a go, right out

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<v Speaker 1>of college, and you know, you came back for a

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<v Speaker 1>second run at it, and I'd love to just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of hear from from your perspective about you know, getting

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<v Speaker 1>to the tour and you know some of the great moments,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the low moments, and you know kind of

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<v Speaker 1>what you were thinking on your journey.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, you know, unlike the instant success stories like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like you said, Jordan's outstanding and just right

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<v Speaker 2>out of right out of you know, a year of college,

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, there's a lot of us that it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>a struggle and I think it's more common to have

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<v Speaker 2>the struggles againstant success stories and uh, you know a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the struggles then don't even lead to uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, any time on the tour or uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe just a few years on the web and that

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<v Speaker 2>then you're you're in and out and you know, just perseverance.

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, I got a Cincinnati in two thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>moved to South Florida. I'm gonna chase the many tours

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<v Speaker 2>and see if i could get through the PGA Tour

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<v Speaker 2>qualifying school in the fall. And that was the summer

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<v Speaker 2>of one. I moved to Florida, played Golden Bear Tour

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, just had a very you know, common summer,

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<v Speaker 2>just made a lot of cuts, playing many tours and

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<v Speaker 2>got through first stage of Q school and was very

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<v Speaker 2>close at the second stage. I think I was well

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<v Speaker 2>within the number going into the final round at second

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<v Speaker 2>stage of Q School. And if that's the stage that

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<v Speaker 2>everyone dreads, it's uh you have to get through to

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<v Speaker 2>get the finals, and uh yeah, and you would have

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<v Speaker 2>status either on a nationwide at the time or it

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<v Speaker 2>might've been buy dot com I don't remember the name then,

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<v Speaker 2>but you or you'll have to J tour status and

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't get through, you're, you know, back to

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<v Speaker 2>playing many tours or whatever you were doing before with

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<v Speaker 2>no real certainty of your golf futures. So unfortunately for me,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't get through that first year, and uh nor

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<v Speaker 2>did my second, third, fourth at sixth seventh, I'm either,

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<v Speaker 2>So it was it was frustrating, you know, So what

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<v Speaker 2>do you do. I've played four years of mini tours

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<v Speaker 2>of just strictly playing golf and nothing else, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just working at a club the PJA village, just for

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<v Speaker 2>a place to play and uh, you know where I

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<v Speaker 2>could call home and practice and you know, I just

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't get through second stage of U school, so got

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<v Speaker 2>in the golf business. I was an assistant professional at

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<v Speaker 2>the PJ Village and then went to New Jersey and

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<v Speaker 2>started I was an assistant there at that Trump National

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<v Speaker 2>And this is in seven now, so six and o

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<v Speaker 2>seven in New Jersey. And finally that second year at UH,

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<v Speaker 2>I was able to get through Q school. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still going to Q school every year, but I

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<v Speaker 2>was finally able to get through and get some status

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<v Speaker 2>on the web dot com or the nationwide tours it

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<v Speaker 2>was as it was called at the time, and started

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<v Speaker 2>my touring, uh touring life, my touring golf life. That's

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<v Speaker 2>in starting to eight. And I've been playing on tour,

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<v Speaker 2>either on the web dot Com or the PGA Tour

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<v Speaker 2>ever since. So pretty much the last nine years. I

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<v Speaker 2>had four years on the Nationwide Tour and then the

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<v Speaker 2>past five years on the PGA Tour. So it's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>uh pretty long journey thirty eight and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't completed my fifth year on tour. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what how that stacks up with others If

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<v Speaker 2>you know, after five years, if you'd be a lot

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<v Speaker 2>younger or I'm sure of being much younger than U,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, thirty eight. So yeah, it again takes her

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<v Speaker 2>own Everyone takes her own road, and that's my road,

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, you know, proud of it. You know, it

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have it any other way.

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<v Speaker 1>That I think that's a good point. It's just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's everybody's journey. Do you think that you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>the time you were away and you're being when you're

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<v Speaker 1>in an assistant pro business, do you think the time

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<v Speaker 1>away helped when you made kind of that second comeback.

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<v Speaker 1>I think one of the things I find unique is

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, you you kind of hung them up

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<v Speaker 1>and then came back out. Do you think the time

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<v Speaker 1>away really helped you gain perspective?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. You know, I guess I put the

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<v Speaker 2>dream of being on tour aside for about you know,

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<v Speaker 2>ten eleven months of the year, and then then once

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<v Speaker 2>Q school the time to send into school money and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, think about it, you know, then I got

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<v Speaker 2>back into it. But yeah, I definitely was committed to uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, golf professional and become the PGM program with

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<v Speaker 2>the PGA of America, and uh, I was starting down

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<v Speaker 2>that road and it's gonna be very content with that.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, I love golf, and I was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be very content being a club professional, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>but I knew there was always you know, there was

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<v Speaker 2>always two schools at the end of the year, and

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<v Speaker 2>I knew, I could you know, find a way to

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<v Speaker 2>raise money and uh, you know, pay the four thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars every year for that, and uh, I still had

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<v Speaker 2>a chance. And but yeah, like you said, definitely appreciated

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<v Speaker 2>it a little a little bit more once I got

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<v Speaker 2>out on the on the web dot com plan full

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<v Speaker 2>full time again. And then if I would have cut

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<v Speaker 2>out right there after the first couple of years of

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<v Speaker 2>uh of trying.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'd love to talk a little bit about your

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<v Speaker 1>win at Houston this year. Obviously, for those that don't

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<v Speaker 1>know about Jim's career, he's kind of like a cut machine,

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<v Speaker 1>so he makes a ton of cuts. Hadn't been in

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<v Speaker 1>you know, deep contention a lot on the on the tour,

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<v Speaker 1>had had a couple of really good finishes, but nowhere

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<v Speaker 1>where he was, you know, in in the league late

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<v Speaker 1>on Sunday. So I'd love to hear a little bit about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of what was I always think about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when I'm playing in tournament golf, what other

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<v Speaker 1>guys are thinking about. So I'd love to hear, you

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<v Speaker 1>know a little bit about you know, what was going

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<v Speaker 1>on in your head as you were trying to close

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<v Speaker 1>out that uh that tournament and coming down the stretch.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you played a great final round and really

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<v Speaker 1>kind of closed the door on world class players like

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<v Speaker 1>Stenson and Dustin Johnson.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, that's a great question. Well, you know this, my

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<v Speaker 2>years on tour were not exactly fantastic, like you're saying,

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<v Speaker 2>making plenty of cuts, but just not having anything fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. No, you know, I had one top five

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<v Speaker 2>prior to to winning, and you know it's to say

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<v Speaker 2>that it's not easy to contend on the tour. But

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<v Speaker 2>that being said, you know I was having a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>decent career. This was uh, you know, pretty good for

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<v Speaker 2>you know, someone at thirty eight years old and you

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<v Speaker 2>know made it out a little bit later. I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be you know, fully vested on the tour,

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<v Speaker 2>having played five years on the on the tour, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, things weren't that bad. I was an anonymous player.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of us out there that are you

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<v Speaker 2>know that still the Silva field, and you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>have your superstars every week, and then you know there's

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and usually one hundred and fifty six golfers

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<v Speaker 2>playing on the tour, so each week and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you can get lost out there and no one really

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<v Speaker 2>knows who you are, and but we all know that

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<v Speaker 2>we have the talent and the capability of contending, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you just have to put yourself in position

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<v Speaker 2>as many times as you can. So having said that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I finished fourth at New Orleans last year.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of came up on on a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>at thirty six hole Sunday afternoon, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have the pressure of the final groups or anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that. You know, put two great rounds together and

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<v Speaker 2>I was able to finish fourth and that really helped

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<v Speaker 2>jump start my summer or I mean, just really keep

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<v Speaker 2>my card last year. That pretty much solidified it. And

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<v Speaker 2>uh but I also had a seventh that's Honda. Earlier

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<v Speaker 2>in the year, played thirty six holes with Phil Mickelson.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's put into the pressure of playing with

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<v Speaker 2>one of the superstars of the game, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>able to, you know, play really well with him and

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<v Speaker 2>hold my own. So I knew if I was in

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<v Speaker 2>when I got myself in the contention, I was gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be able to to uh handle the pressure. And Houston

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<v Speaker 2>started out like any other week. I played well on

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<v Speaker 2>on round one. Round two was with some weather delays

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<v Speaker 2>and we had to come back on Saturday morning. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is probably the key, uh for Houston, was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like in twenty fifth position with four holes

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<v Speaker 2>to go to finish my round on Friday or my

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<v Speaker 2>second round on who we finished on Saturday morning, and

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<v Speaker 2>I pready too in my final four and moved inside

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<v Speaker 2>the top ten, and you know, I was able to

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<v Speaker 2>regroup and get a little uh you know, a couple

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<v Speaker 2>hours off between the two rounds, and you know it's

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<v Speaker 2>in third or fourth last pairing, and it was just

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<v Speaker 2>a really good solid round for that Saturday round. But

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<v Speaker 2>I was able to get up and down in the

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<v Speaker 2>final hole on eighteen to cap off a really solid

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<v Speaker 2>round and get myself in the final pairing. So that

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<v Speaker 2>was really really want something I was hoping I could do.

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<v Speaker 2>You never know what's going to happen in the final pairing,

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<v Speaker 2>but I wanted to put myself in the position now

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<v Speaker 2>it's uh, it's what we're what we're out there to

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<v Speaker 2>do is to see how we're gonna compete at the

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<v Speaker 2>highest level. And yeah, it was. It was pretty awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Teen off, you know, final group on a Sunday on

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<v Speaker 2>the tour and loan of a hold. You know, things

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<v Speaker 2>went my way. You know, I was able to handle

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<v Speaker 2>the pressure and you know, beholding the trophy at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the at the end of the tournament.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh, that's that's cool. It's so would you say that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of nerves going under around was that

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<v Speaker 1>that you know most you felt or you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>hear from a lot of people the first p shot

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<v Speaker 1>in their first US Open is always you know, really jittery.

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<v Speaker 1>And how how did it compare to some other Pigma

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<v Speaker 1>moments in your career.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I'll agree that the you know, playing in

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<v Speaker 2>US Opens are pretty fantastic. There are great feelings and

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<v Speaker 2>very nervous first keys. You know, my first my first

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<v Speaker 2>PGA Tour event was was awesome playing the in the

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<v Speaker 2>US Open. That was my first PJ tourment, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that was in twenty ten and U very nervous, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was more the night before you know, just getting

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<v Speaker 2>the Saturday night in the final group, I was tied

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<v Speaker 2>for the lead. There were a bunch of people right

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<v Speaker 2>behind us, behind Jamie and I, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't going to just be able to go out and

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<v Speaker 2>shoot even par I was gonna have to go win it.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not like I had a multiple shot lead

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<v Speaker 2>and it was mine to lose. I just happened to

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<v Speaker 2>be in the final pairing and I was gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>to go shoot a good round. So I wasn't too

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<v Speaker 2>consumed with that kind of pressure. But just it's you

0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.240
<v Speaker 2>can't help but answer the phone or read the text

0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:36.720
<v Speaker 2>or the emails and the tweets and the Facebook, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know everyone's telling you you're gonna do it. It's

0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.599
<v Speaker 2>a great confidence boost, but you know you're kind of

0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:44.600
<v Speaker 2>getting ahead of ahead of yourself, and you got to

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<v Speaker 2>just put that aside. And you know I was able

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<v Speaker 2>to do that. I was able to get some good rest.

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<v Speaker 2>I slept pretty well Saturday night, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>had a good breakfast. Everything was great. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>my nerves has been pretty good the last few years.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say I was more nervous a few years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>If I had been in that position. My short game

0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:13.040
<v Speaker 2>was definitely not up to tour quality and just really

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<v Speaker 2>having some struggles with that. And if I wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>been able to get some help with my short game

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<v Speaker 2>the last few years, I definitely would have would not

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<v Speaker 2>been able to close it out because there were some

0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.560
<v Speaker 2>shots that just like the up and down on eighteen

0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.360
<v Speaker 2>on Saturday, I wouldn't have been able to hit. And

0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:33.480
<v Speaker 2>then obviously I shifted on sixteen to pretty much steal

0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:36.760
<v Speaker 2>or to get the lead and put myself in great position.

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<v Speaker 2>So those are the things that were holding me back.

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<v Speaker 2>Those that's where I've been most nervous, would have been

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<v Speaker 2>missing a green or you know, my potter was fantastic

0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.319
<v Speaker 2>that week, so you know, I wasn't even nervous with

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<v Speaker 2>with the final you know, the final putts. I know

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<v Speaker 2>I had a short one left one pretty short on seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>but I felt really good over the ball and they

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<v Speaker 2>would knocking in and then two putts to win is

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<v Speaker 2>not an easy thing. Yeah, I fought when I hit

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<v Speaker 2>that shot on eighteen. My approach, I was really hoping

0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.160
<v Speaker 2>it would it would crest the hill and start trickling

0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.560
<v Speaker 2>down and leave myself just a short two putts, but

0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:15.679
<v Speaker 2>it is what it is, and I was able to

0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.199
<v Speaker 2>get it done. And uh, I mean, just what a feeling.

0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:20.760
<v Speaker 2>I was overrun with emotion. I'm sure it came out

0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:24.240
<v Speaker 2>on the TV, but uh, what a feeling. You know.

0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:28.760
<v Speaker 2>That's something that I've been trying to accomplish ever started,

0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:32.000
<v Speaker 2>ever since I started playing golf. You know, you junior

0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:34.920
<v Speaker 2>golf and then the high school and college. You dream

0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:39.360
<v Speaker 2>of the tour and someday being uh just a member

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<v Speaker 2>of making the tour and then you know, to call

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<v Speaker 2>myself a PGA Tour winner. It's just awesome and fantastic.

0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:49.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, that's it's really cool. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the the I guess the next pinnacle is probably a

0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:55.600
<v Speaker 1>major champion, but I mean, just getting to where you're

0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:59.440
<v Speaker 1>at right now, it's it's pretty darn good. So something

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious about just from my so I look at

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<v Speaker 1>my self, examine and all the time my game and

0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.880
<v Speaker 1>playing just an amateur tournaments around you know, the state

0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.480
<v Speaker 1>of Illinois, and I look at some of our top

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<v Speaker 1>flight amateur players and then I look at my game

0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.200
<v Speaker 1>and it's and you know, something that you hit on

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<v Speaker 1>that I think, you know, I always look at its like,

0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:19.960
<v Speaker 1>I think the short game is always the difference between

0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:21.960
<v Speaker 1>me and some of the top players, where you know

0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:25.240
<v Speaker 1>they're able to manufacture scores. Do you feel like that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the you know at the PGA Tour, is

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<v Speaker 1>that the big differentiator as well?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it is. Jordan Steve Is is putting so well,

0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:42.960
<v Speaker 2>and he puts himself in contention seems like every week

0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:46.880
<v Speaker 2>because he puts so well. Jason Day is like number

0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:50.760
<v Speaker 2>one and putting right now, So I know he drives

0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:52.360
<v Speaker 2>it so well. In the irons are so well, but

0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:57.320
<v Speaker 2>when he's putting, he's unbeatable. You know. Dustin Johnson drives

0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.520
<v Speaker 2>it so well, but I think he's number one in

0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.200
<v Speaker 2>short irons, you know, in his wedge game, and if

0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:06.400
<v Speaker 2>that continues, we're all in trouble. So it's I mean

0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Phil Mickelson, you know, he'll talk about how many, how

0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.520
<v Speaker 2>few fairways he hits and you know, just gets it

0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.480
<v Speaker 2>around the green, and you know, he's his short game

0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.120
<v Speaker 2>is so good, you know it. You know I don't

0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:23.680
<v Speaker 2>have that. I don't have that ability to miss, uh

0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:27.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, five, six, seven, eight fairways and miss these greens.

0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.960
<v Speaker 2>I just don't have the uh the short game to

0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.400
<v Speaker 2>get up and down from all the spots that he's doing.

0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.280
<v Speaker 2>So it's there. You know, you got to play to

0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:37.800
<v Speaker 2>your strengths. And I know that I'm a better iron

0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.280
<v Speaker 2>player from fairways, so I'll definitely stick to my strength.

0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.200
<v Speaker 2>So it's hitting the fairway and then given myself, my

0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.760
<v Speaker 2>best chance for Bertie is from the fairway and uh,

0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.360
<v Speaker 2>low stress rounds. So I definitely try to play to

0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.600
<v Speaker 2>my strengths as well as I can, because I know

0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:55.800
<v Speaker 2>when I look back at tournaments and I look at

0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:59.840
<v Speaker 2>my fairways or my greens percentage hit and if it's

0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:02.880
<v Speaker 2>if it's down under sixty percent, I know I'm not

0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:07.240
<v Speaker 2>going to be anywhere near the game contention, just to

0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.000
<v Speaker 2>the fact I don't get it up and down as

0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:12.399
<v Speaker 2>many times as they do. So that's definitely something I

0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.480
<v Speaker 2>work on. I work on it every week, work on

0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:20.160
<v Speaker 2>the short game with the teacher, and uh yeah, it's

0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:22.919
<v Speaker 2>definitely something you have to have. It's uh, I mean,

0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:27.399
<v Speaker 2>we all drive the ball reasonably, do well, and everyone

0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:29.720
<v Speaker 2>hits it three hundred yards now, it seems like, and

0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:32.359
<v Speaker 2>but you gotta be able to chip and putt.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I think. I mean, where you can

0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.480
<v Speaker 1>gain the most most strokes on the field is consistently

0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.560
<v Speaker 1>getting up and down. And you know, many authorities with wedges.

0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.240
<v Speaker 1>You know, a great drive might gain you a tenth

0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:47.520
<v Speaker 1>of a shot, but yeah, versus not getting up and

0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.200
<v Speaker 1>down from an easy spot, we'll lose a whole shot

0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:50.760
<v Speaker 1>on the field.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And that was the thing. It was just

0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:56.680
<v Speaker 2>just routine up and downs. You've got to get them,

0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, ninety percent, you've got to get them up

0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:01.680
<v Speaker 2>and down. I mean, the hard ones are going to

0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.399
<v Speaker 2>be you know, fifty percent. You know, you'll struggle, but

0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.720
<v Speaker 2>it's it's just the just the easy ones. You've got

0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:12.919
<v Speaker 2>to be better than that, the easier shots. And uh,

0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:16.280
<v Speaker 2>we're we're getting there, were making a lot of progress.

0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:17.560
<v Speaker 2>So it's good, that's true.

0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:21.760
<v Speaker 1>So I guess, you know, obviously with the win, you

0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:25.400
<v Speaker 1>get the two year exemption, which is just huge. You've

0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.800
<v Speaker 1>got the PGA Tour winner status, which can you know,

0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:32.040
<v Speaker 1>get you into tournaments for a long time. And then

0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:37.280
<v Speaker 1>obviously you've now gotten yourself into some you know, the Masters,

0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.040
<v Speaker 1>the you know, and uh, into some of the w

0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:43.480
<v Speaker 1>GC events. So tell me about you know, kind of

0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:46.600
<v Speaker 1>how just regular day life has changed, and you know

0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:49.920
<v Speaker 1>what you're kind of what the best thing about being

0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:51.440
<v Speaker 1>a PGA Tour winner.

0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:57.520
<v Speaker 2>Is then, well, life definitely changed. At first week in April,

0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:02.719
<v Speaker 2>no longer not this you know at tour events and uh,

0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, everyone knows who you are now, and it's

0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:12.400
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty pretty much a great feeling to have a crowd, uh,

0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:15.919
<v Speaker 2>you know cheering for you that you know, you know,

0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.280
<v Speaker 2>they know who you are now and uh, you know

0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:26.880
<v Speaker 2>they you can't really but they can't really state how

0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:30.600
<v Speaker 2>much that helps you when you're playing. You know, it's

0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:36.680
<v Speaker 2>it's just a great feeling. So, you know, getting asked

0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:40.200
<v Speaker 2>for autographs, you know, outside of the golf course, people

0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:42.560
<v Speaker 2>know who you are at you know, restaurants and things

0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:44.840
<v Speaker 2>like that. That's just that's been a big change for me,

0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:49.200
<v Speaker 2>and uh, I've embraced it. And I can't imagine how

0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:52.080
<v Speaker 2>the superstars in this game or any other sports, uh,

0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:56.400
<v Speaker 2>how they handle it. Uh, I mean it's just unreal

0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:58.960
<v Speaker 2>the demands that they have on their time and U

0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:03.200
<v Speaker 2>it's I don't have that that problem, but it's it's

0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:06.239
<v Speaker 2>been pretty exciting just to have those things happen to me. Uh,

0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:08.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, after golf course and off the golf course.

0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:11.600
<v Speaker 2>But other than that, I'm still the same guy. Nothing

0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:16.080
<v Speaker 2>for me has changed. I just you know, I was,

0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:19.240
<v Speaker 2>like I said, I was having a pretty boring five

0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.480
<v Speaker 2>year career on on the PGA Tour, and uh, I was,

0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:26.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, my one of my best friends does telling me,

0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:28.840
<v Speaker 2>you know that, you know, you're just doing You're doing,

0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:31.879
<v Speaker 2>You're doing great. Five years on tour. You're gonna have

0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:34.960
<v Speaker 2>a pension from the PJ Tour. I mean whatever. I

0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:37.880
<v Speaker 2>would have loved to have said, you know, you're gonna

0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:40.000
<v Speaker 2>play the tour for five years and and that's it

0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:44.000
<v Speaker 2>and never win. I would have taken that. So I

0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:46.879
<v Speaker 2>thought I was having a pretty pretty solid career playing

0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:50.520
<v Speaker 2>golf the last nine nine years professionally, five on the

0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:54.520
<v Speaker 2>PGA Tour pretty pretty exciting stuff. But then to throw

0:20:54.560 --> 0:21:00.280
<v Speaker 2>a win, it's just just amazing. And you know, two

0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:03.199
<v Speaker 2>more years on the tour guaranteed, and uh, you know,

0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm gonna have played all the all four majors

0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:08.400
<v Speaker 2>in one year. You know, I'm in the Open next

0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:12.119
<v Speaker 2>week and uh PGA to follow up a few weeks

0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:14.520
<v Speaker 2>after that. That's just things that would have never even

0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:19.800
<v Speaker 2>thought were possible. And Uh, now here they are. Those

0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:22.080
<v Speaker 2>are the only things that have really changed on my

0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:25.439
<v Speaker 2>end is just the tournaments I've gotten in as a

0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:28.280
<v Speaker 2>result of the win, and just not having to look

0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:31.640
<v Speaker 2>very far down the patic couples to see my name.

0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:33.760
<v Speaker 2>That's that's a pretty that's a pretty cool feeling.

0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:40.080
<v Speaker 1>Less growing is always better, That's right. So you know,

0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:43.840
<v Speaker 1>with the with the Open coming up next week, why

0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:44.199
<v Speaker 1>didn't you.

0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:45.040
<v Speaker 2>Talk it through?

0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:49.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, how you're preparing differently for you know, the

0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:53.120
<v Speaker 1>weather conditions, the style of golf, and kind of your

0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.919
<v Speaker 1>experience so far with links golf in your life and career.

0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, spend the summer with my wife, My wife and

0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:06.320
<v Speaker 2>my kids. We spend it in Philadelphia with her mom

0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:08.560
<v Speaker 2>and dad. It's just easy to travel out of Philly

0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:10.640
<v Speaker 2>and we can get to a lot of locations here

0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:13.240
<v Speaker 2>from here, and that we do in South Florida. Uh,

0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:15.400
<v Speaker 2>And it's not as hot on a regular basis as

0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:17.800
<v Speaker 2>it is in Florida. So we're up here and I'm

0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:21.480
<v Speaker 2>gonna play a few great golf courses here the next

0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:24.199
<v Speaker 2>few days. And I've been very fortunate those members at

0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:28.840
<v Speaker 2>the great clubs here at Philly, and uh, you know,

0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Mary and being being one of them. That's one of

0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:33.040
<v Speaker 2>my all time favorite golf courses. So I'm gonna play

0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:38.000
<v Speaker 2>out there on Friday. And another hidden gym here in Philly,

0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:41.680
<v Speaker 2>uh Rolling Green Country Club, but I think I'm playing

0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:45.080
<v Speaker 2>there tomorrow and William Flynn just a great golf course.

0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Will be my first time around there, so I'm not

0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:51.919
<v Speaker 2>playing anything anything different with golf courses. But you know,

0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:56.439
<v Speaker 2>while I'm playing, I'm probably gonna just be aware of

0:22:57.000 --> 0:22:59.600
<v Speaker 2>how high I'm teen, and I know we'll definitely try

0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:03.119
<v Speaker 2>to keep this keep the t shots lower. I'm probably

0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:05.960
<v Speaker 2>gonna just take my hybrid out and not even have

0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:09.119
<v Speaker 2>it with me because I'm pretty sure i'm gonna be

0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:12.000
<v Speaker 2>using a three iron or two iron instead of a hybrid,

0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:15.520
<v Speaker 2>and uh, just with when I'm around greens, I'm probably

0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:17.800
<v Speaker 2>just gonna be aware of just going low. I know

0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:21.520
<v Speaker 2>we'll be putting the ball in the on the ground

0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:24.199
<v Speaker 2>as much as possible. But one other thing is just

0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:27.840
<v Speaker 2>having been over there, the bunkers get really deep and severe,

0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:31.359
<v Speaker 2>So you know, just gonna put in some practice here

0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:35.399
<v Speaker 2>at home just getting my bunker shots up as quickly

0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:38.200
<v Speaker 2>as possible. I know that, you know, the sad faced

0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:41.920
<v Speaker 2>bunkers over there are just just brutals. So those are

0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:44.800
<v Speaker 2>just a few things, and but other than that, it's

0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:49.960
<v Speaker 2>it's just gonna be It's gonna be great. Uh my first,

0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:56.000
<v Speaker 2>my first Open championship, and Oil Troon looks like it

0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:59.840
<v Speaker 2>is quite the test. It's your classic out and in

0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:04.119
<v Speaker 2>of course, I think the first uh seven are straight

0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:07.320
<v Speaker 2>out coaching stamp on the eighth and then it turns

0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:09.800
<v Speaker 2>around and then it starts coming back and heard the

0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:12.080
<v Speaker 2>when you come back, you better have been under par

0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:13.760
<v Speaker 2>on your way out because you're going to give it

0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:19.560
<v Speaker 2>back the way yet. So it's, uh, it's here. We're

0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:22.240
<v Speaker 2>gonna have some weather, so it's it's gonna be in

0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:25.199
<v Speaker 2>the fifties, sixties and kind of rainy, and uh you know,

0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:29.280
<v Speaker 2>it's probably par for the course over there during most

0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:32.320
<v Speaker 2>of the opens. Uh. I've been over to Scotland once,

0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:35.960
<v Speaker 2>took a trip with a couple of friends of mine

0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:37.600
<v Speaker 2>and we were over on the other side of scott

0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:41.639
<v Speaker 2>Owner and Andrews and Carnoski and Mierfield and Aberdeen and

0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:45.000
<v Speaker 2>played some really great golf courses over there. But so

0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:47.480
<v Speaker 2>I have an idea of what scott if golf's all about.

0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:50.879
<v Speaker 2>We also took a trip to England and played the

0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:54.600
<v Speaker 2>road of courses in Northern England or We'll live in

0:24:55.640 --> 0:24:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Saint Anne's and hoy Lake and Royal Birkdale and those

0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:03.080
<v Speaker 2>were just some fabulous golf courses. But looking forward to it.

0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:06.640
<v Speaker 2>My wife's gonna go with me and just the two

0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:08.400
<v Speaker 2>of us and the caddie all the year over there

0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:12.040
<v Speaker 2>with us as well. But looking forward to the test

0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:15.080
<v Speaker 2>of the British Open and seeing how I can do

0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:17.040
<v Speaker 2>and we'll see what happens.

0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you just got a channel. That drive you hit

0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:24.280
<v Speaker 1>on eighteen at Houston is that low bullet? That thing

0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:25.320
<v Speaker 1>was awesome.

0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely need more of those. Yeah.

0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:34.400
<v Speaker 1>So going back to golf courses, we're I'm really into

0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:39.800
<v Speaker 1>golf course architecture. I think it's a kind of avenue

0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:42.440
<v Speaker 1>of further enjoyment of the game that more and more

0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:46.640
<v Speaker 1>people need to get into. And I'd love to hear

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of your favorite tour stops from a golf course perspective,

0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:54.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, whether you play well at the course or not,

0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:58.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, and then also kind of your favorite courses

0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:02.160
<v Speaker 1>that you've gotten the chance to play across the country

0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:06.120
<v Speaker 1>and the world, as in in the golf Yuh as

0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:06.919
<v Speaker 1>a golf bro.

0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:12.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, I've been very fortunate. I'm gonna start off there too.

0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:14.720
<v Speaker 2>Before I was on tour, you know, I worked in

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:18.359
<v Speaker 2>some in South Florida, and then I obviously worked in

0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:23.680
<v Speaker 2>New Jersey. And it's very fortunate to be able to

0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:25.840
<v Speaker 2>play a lot of break golf courses in New Jersey

0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:30.159
<v Speaker 2>and spent my time there, and uh just became a

0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:35.200
<v Speaker 2>fan of the architecture side of golf at that time

0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:37.280
<v Speaker 2>as well. And uh played a lot of C. B.

0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:41.879
<v Speaker 2>McDonald and SETH Rayner's in the northeast, and uh, and

0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:44.359
<v Speaker 2>then get here there's a lot of Donald Rosses up

0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:47.159
<v Speaker 2>there as well. So a couple of courses right there

0:26:47.200 --> 0:26:52.159
<v Speaker 2>in Jersey that I loved were Somerset Hills and uh

0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:55.560
<v Speaker 2>Mountain Ridge, and just those are two of my all

0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 2>time favorites there in New Jersey, and then here, spent

0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:00.720
<v Speaker 2>a lot of time in Philly, and very like I

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 2>said before, very fortunate to uh you know, some members

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:06.560
<v Speaker 2>and they've been very gracious and happy out and uh,

0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:11.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, just Hugh Wilson's Marian is just just a gentleman.

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:14.560
<v Speaker 2>I'd love it there. I love playing Mary and it's

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:19.359
<v Speaker 2>just a treat. And then uh, you know, we have

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 2>so many other great ones Aronomic and Philly Cricket and

0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:25.160
<v Speaker 2>just across the way in New Jersey with Pine Valley

0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:29.199
<v Speaker 2>and uh, such such a hot bed for golf up

0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:32.600
<v Speaker 2>here in golf, great golf courses, in great golf architecture,

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:36.600
<v Speaker 2>and very blessed to uh be able to uh get

0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:40.440
<v Speaker 2>around there, get around on those courses here in the summer. Yeah,

0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:45.040
<v Speaker 2>but on I'm sorry, on tour, there's obviously, uh my

0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 2>my couple of my favorites are Pebble Beach. How can

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:52.960
<v Speaker 2>you not like Pebble Beach. It's just uh, I played

0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 2>my first Open at Double and uh, you know, just

0:27:57.200 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 2>love playing the at and t there every year. And

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:03.680
<v Speaker 2>then uh, Ross down in Greensboro at Sedgefield is just

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 2>one of my other favorites, don't I don't know if

0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:13.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna play there this year or not, but it's

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:16.280
<v Speaker 2>always one of my favorite spots. And then gotta gotta

0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:17.919
<v Speaker 2>throw in the golf cub of Houston now is one

0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:20.760
<v Speaker 2>of my favorite tour stops for the favorite tour courses.

0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:26.639
<v Speaker 2>So you know it's they they have it manicure just

0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:29.040
<v Speaker 2>just so we can get ready for Augusta, and they

0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:31.280
<v Speaker 2>do a great job. Every every blade of grass is

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 2>perfectly maintained and it's it's just a great, great venue,

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 2>a lot of risk reward holes. And and then non

0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 2>tour golf courses. I think I have a fondness for

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Trump National in Bedminster, New Jersey, having worked there a

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:53.480
<v Speaker 2>few years. And they're going to be hosting the Women's

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Open next summer and then when the Men's PGA and

0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two, so it'll fit into it being a

0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:06.200
<v Speaker 2>tour course at some point. But obviously his best work,

0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Trump's best work is at Trump National Bedminster. And then

0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:15.760
<v Speaker 2>a great course back home in Cincinnati, Coldstream Country Club.

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:19.520
<v Speaker 2>Comargo gets a lot of the love for the finest

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:22.800
<v Speaker 2>golf course in Cincinnati, but I think Coldstream might be

0:29:24.120 --> 0:29:26.720
<v Speaker 2>my favorite. It's definitely my favorite. I have a little

0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:29.920
<v Speaker 2>biased there, one of the city Amateur tournament there, but

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Dick Wilson is just a great, great golf course there.

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 2>And then one of my favorite ones in Florida is

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Jupiter Hills, George Fazio design and just has lots of

0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:50.040
<v Speaker 2>character and plenty of elevation for being right, you know,

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 2>a quarter mile from the ocean and yeah, that point

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:54.120
<v Speaker 2>the beach.

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:56.959
<v Speaker 1>I drive by it all the time, and I mean

0:29:57.040 --> 0:29:59.800
<v Speaker 1>it's amazing how many hills they have there versus the

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:00.800
<v Speaker 1>rest of the terrain.

0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:03.400
<v Speaker 2>And uh, in that area it's so flat, and.

0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 1>You know that course has so many hills. I'm I'm excited.

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 1>I haven't gotten to play a ton of golf in

0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 1>the Northeast and and I'm heading out to Philly in

0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:17.560
<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks for a wedding and I'm flying

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 1>out a few days early and going to get some

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:23.800
<v Speaker 1>some courses them out there. So that's that'll be exciting.

0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 1>But uh, in terms of kind of favorite architects, you've

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 1>hit on a few, you know, kind of who stands

0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 1>out as your favorite architects.

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean having played a bunch of the C

0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 2>B McDonald Steth rainers, Uh, they you know there you

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 2>see their work most as you travel all over the country,

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:53.840
<v Speaker 2>and I know they did so many golf courses across

0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 2>the country, and their their work is you know, you

0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:03.760
<v Speaker 2>just can't get a better design than you know, like

0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:07.760
<v Speaker 2>that radiant, the radan hole that they have. There's so

0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:12.360
<v Speaker 2>many great radans. Chicago Golf Club has maybe the hardest

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:17.280
<v Speaker 2>hardest dance Part three in the country. Uh, Tomargo has

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 2>a great dance.

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, we just did a big piece on dance.

0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:29.840
<v Speaker 1>We're doing We're I'm writing like detailed kind of detailed

0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:34.480
<v Speaker 1>articles with overviews evolved the template holes and then extensive

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 1>pictures of different clubs and their version of the radan.

0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:40.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think it's so cool how they have

0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 1>these template holes and you know, you look at them

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 1>from course to course and they're different, but they're you know,

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:50.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of the same, and it's just observing how they

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:53.640
<v Speaker 1>use the land so much differently. Is uh, is the

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:54.640
<v Speaker 1>coolest part about it?

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:57.640
<v Speaker 2>I think, Oh, it sure is. And then just for

0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 2>people that don't know, uh, and I didn't know, like

0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 2>when you see the Barritz full you know, I was

0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:07.120
<v Speaker 2>playing Camargo and Cincinnati and the US Amateur Qualifier. I'm

0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:09.840
<v Speaker 2>just always wondering about this. You know, what is this?

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:13.720
<v Speaker 2>You know eight foot dipth in the green or in

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 2>front of the green? Like, what is that about? And

0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 2>then you just learn about it and read up and

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 2>it's it's such a great feature and it's all over

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 2>the golf courses. Uh, you know, and like you said,

0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:26.960
<v Speaker 2>in the template holes across the country and there's so

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:29.800
<v Speaker 2>many great Barrits holes as well, and it's so unique.

0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:32.640
<v Speaker 2>And like you said, they they had their temple, but

0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:35.640
<v Speaker 2>they you know, they used the land that they were

0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 2>given and blended it in and uh that's uh. I

0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:43.840
<v Speaker 2>just enjoyed playing those those golf courses and especially uh

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:47.880
<v Speaker 2>uh like I said, I think Camargo is A is

0:32:47.920 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 2>a great one there in Sinci and Chicago golf is

0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:53.520
<v Speaker 2>one of my one of my all time favorites.

0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the uh as a Chicago and the one

0:32:57.360 --> 0:33:00.160
<v Speaker 1>course that I haven't checked off here and.

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Just driving me, you won't be disappointed. I know.

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:09.400
<v Speaker 1>Every year I just crossed my fingers that this is

0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 1>bigger that I'll somehow get invite it out there. But

0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:14.760
<v Speaker 1>it's uh, you just gotta sit and wait. It's a

0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 1>waiting game for a lot of the great golf courses.

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Sure is.

0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:23.280
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, So in terms of kind of I always

0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:26.000
<v Speaker 1>am curious with different tour pros, what what do you

0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:29.160
<v Speaker 1>do in your downtime when you're at say a tournament

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 1>and reno or you know, and uh, and lots of

0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:35.800
<v Speaker 1>like not me, not lots of things, but you know,

0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 1>these these tournaments you know, when you're not playing, what

0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 1>are you doing?

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:43.600
<v Speaker 2>For the most part, you mentioned two favorite. You know,

0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 2>any any course that has a casino, lots of lots

0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:53.720
<v Speaker 2>of opportunity for entertainment. So unfortunately, uh, you know, I'm

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:57.400
<v Speaker 2>probably like ninety percent of the pghor golfers. We all

0:33:57.480 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 2>like the gambles. So if there's a casine on your

0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:02.520
<v Speaker 2>we're always in there just playing some black jack, just

0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 2>passing the time. But you know, on the road, it

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:09.879
<v Speaker 2>all depends if my family's with me or not. If

0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:13.919
<v Speaker 2>I'm alone, it just seems like I'm pretty low key.

0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:16.560
<v Speaker 2>I watch a lot of movies or you know, a

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:18.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of Netflix in the room, and get a lot

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:22.920
<v Speaker 2>of take out and you know, burrito joints, Chipotle or

0:34:23.680 --> 0:34:28.120
<v Speaker 2>mos And I'm very very easy, so I don't do

0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:32.080
<v Speaker 2>a whole lot. It's pretty sad actually when you think

0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 2>about it. But it's the families with me. We try

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:37.640
<v Speaker 2>to get out and you know, get something. Uh you know,

0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:41.040
<v Speaker 2>we're just planning, planning the day around the kids and

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:45.840
<v Speaker 2>in my golf schedule. So you know, we do as

0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:48.880
<v Speaker 2>much as we can together and if I can't join them,

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:50.799
<v Speaker 2>I love when my wife takes we have a six

0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:53.760
<v Speaker 2>year old and two year old. UH to the zoos

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:56.880
<v Speaker 2>and in each city or in DC a couple of

0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:02.960
<v Speaker 2>weeks ago they went to the Rains Base Museum and

0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:07.000
<v Speaker 2>just great things for them to uh to experience and uh,

0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:09.640
<v Speaker 2>but we we definitely like the zoos in each town.

0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 2>The kids love the animals and uh uh downtime at

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:17.719
<v Speaker 2>home when I'm not playing, you know, I just try

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:19.320
<v Speaker 2>to do whatever I can to be with the family.

0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 2>Depends if it's a summer or in school. My daughter

0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:26.920
<v Speaker 2>will be in first grade, so you know, it'll be

0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:31.000
<v Speaker 2>hard for them to travel as much once that starts

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:34.040
<v Speaker 2>back up in late August. And to be honest, I

0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:35.840
<v Speaker 2>play a lot of golf when I'm the home, and

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:39.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's uh, I can turn the switch off

0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:42.760
<v Speaker 2>and on between tournament golf and casual golf. I love playing.

0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:46.719
<v Speaker 2>I just love playing golf with friends and uh, you know,

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:51.200
<v Speaker 2>It's just always been a part of my life and

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:53.479
<v Speaker 2>it'll it'll continue to be a part of my life

0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:57.439
<v Speaker 2>after touring is over or when I'm when I'm at home,

0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:04.080
<v Speaker 2>do a lot of fantasy sports and really enjoy the

0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:06.760
<v Speaker 2>following that stuff. And I'm just a sports fan in general,

0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:09.279
<v Speaker 2>so I might as well do the fantasy on top

0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:09.520
<v Speaker 2>of it.

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:13.880
<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, the Bengals. You gotta be a Bengals.

0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Fan, right, I'm definitely a Bengals fan. So it's uh,

0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:22.840
<v Speaker 2>it's been hard at times, but we're gonna we're gonna

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:27.239
<v Speaker 2>break through this year. We're gonna get get deep into

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 2>the playoffs this year. So we're we've been close the

0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 2>last five years. We're gonna do it. So Reds are

0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 2>struggling right now, so it's all in the Bengals.

0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, my Coveyes are beating us the central teams.

0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:42.720
<v Speaker 2>So films are doing well. They're killing the Reds today,

0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:43.000
<v Speaker 2>I think.

0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:47.200
<v Speaker 1>All right, So I got a couple questions if you

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:49.920
<v Speaker 1>if you got a little bit more time from our

0:36:50.520 --> 0:36:55.640
<v Speaker 1>some of our readers, thanks again for taking the time.

0:36:55.719 --> 0:37:00.360
<v Speaker 1>But so from Stuart Smith, Uh, you want to know,

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:04.360
<v Speaker 1>is the driver close to being obsolete on the PGA

0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:06.720
<v Speaker 1>Tour when classic courses are the hosts.

0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Well you definitely see that. You know, let's just take

0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 2>Plainfield last year for the Barclays. You know, a classic

0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 2>Donald Ross and I was using hybrid quite a bit.

0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:28.440
<v Speaker 2>So when they pinched the pinched the fairways and the

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:33.080
<v Speaker 2>bunkers are positions like they are. Yeah, there's not going

0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:39.320
<v Speaker 2>to be a whole lot of drivers except for you know,

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:41.920
<v Speaker 2>the guys that hit driver no matter what. I think

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:45.680
<v Speaker 2>Dustin is a one guy that is going to hit

0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:50.320
<v Speaker 2>the driver no matter what. So you know he showed

0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:54.200
<v Speaker 2>you at Oakmont. I don't know how. You know. Oakmont

0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:57.000
<v Speaker 2>was just impossible if you did not drive it in

0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:00.400
<v Speaker 2>the fairway and he drove it long and he drove straight.

0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:03.640
<v Speaker 2>So when that's your best, if that's your straightest club,

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:08.239
<v Speaker 2>you will always continue to hit driver. I think, uh,

0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:11.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, we don't go to there's only a handful

0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:14.719
<v Speaker 2>of tournaments that go to classic courses. So I don't

0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:16.480
<v Speaker 2>think that's going to be much of an issue on

0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:18.960
<v Speaker 2>the tour anymore. I mean, we've played a lot of

0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:24.120
<v Speaker 2>tPCS and you know, just golf clubs like Houston that

0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:26.880
<v Speaker 2>were made for drivers, and you know they're stretching them

0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:30.719
<v Speaker 2>out seventy five hundred yards, you know, like a Congressional.

0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:34.520
<v Speaker 2>We just played Congressional seventy five seventy six hundred yards. It's, uh,

0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:37.600
<v Speaker 2>that's the norm. I think we get some golf courses

0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:42.840
<v Speaker 2>like Hilton Head, you know where you really have to

0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:48.800
<v Speaker 2>position your ball well and uh, you know, even the

0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 2>course like well, we just played in an acron that

0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:56.719
<v Speaker 2>the firestone, you know, with the there's a lot of

0:38:56.920 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 2>overgrown trees and you've got to be positioned pretty well

0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:03.800
<v Speaker 2>all and we definitely hit some hybrids and three woods

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:07.480
<v Speaker 2>off tas. I think hit three wood on eighteen three

0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:09.880
<v Speaker 2>of the four days and uh, and you just got

0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:14.080
<v Speaker 2>to be positioned pretty well. So yeah, it is unfortunate

0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:18.640
<v Speaker 2>with the U with the length of the drives these days,

0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:24.319
<v Speaker 2>that some courses are becoming uh obsolete for TJA Tour

0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:27.200
<v Speaker 2>or major golfs. And uh, we'll see what happens. I

0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:28.600
<v Speaker 2>don't know what the answer is going to be. But

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:31.719
<v Speaker 2>the ball is going a long way pulls.

0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:34.319
<v Speaker 1>You know, and like you said, for you you've got

0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 1>to be in the fairway to hit the greens and

0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:40.759
<v Speaker 1>that's your keys to good tournaments. So you know, for

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 1>ye the driver might you know, not make as much

0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:46.120
<v Speaker 1>sense at a tighter golf course because you want to

0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:52.320
<v Speaker 1>hit the fairway. Sure so in terms of uh so,

0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:58.120
<v Speaker 1>we have another question from Michael Michael Carocelli here he

0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:01.239
<v Speaker 1>wants to know in terms of pre round routine on

0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 1>the range and putting green. You know, kind of what

0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:07.840
<v Speaker 1>your your pre round routine is and how many drivers

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:09.600
<v Speaker 1>do you hit on the range before a round?

0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, great question. I arrived at the putting green an

0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:19.120
<v Speaker 2>hour before my teats my starting time, and I take

0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 2>about ten minutes of of just long speed drills. Just

0:40:23.600 --> 0:40:27.320
<v Speaker 2>no specific amount, but it just seems like it always

0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 2>has to be about ten minutes and just working on pace,

0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:34.399
<v Speaker 2>just trying to get some feel, and you know, working

0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:37.759
<v Speaker 2>on just some longer putts twenty footers, thirty footers, just

0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:41.040
<v Speaker 2>back and forth and just kind of just letting out

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:44.120
<v Speaker 2>some you know, the nerves and just an easy way

0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:47.799
<v Speaker 2>to start into your routine. And then just depending if

0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:50.400
<v Speaker 2>the if they have a pitching green or chipping green nearby,

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:53.279
<v Speaker 2>I'll move on to that next and hit a few

0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:56.200
<v Speaker 2>bunker shots as well, another ten or so minutes and

0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:00.920
<v Speaker 2>then move on to the range and good, you know,

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:06.239
<v Speaker 2>good twenty minutes of full shots, just go right up

0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:10.200
<v Speaker 2>the bag from the love wedge. Usually go every other

0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:13.840
<v Speaker 2>club and you know, just five or six balls with

0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:17.120
<v Speaker 2>each club, and again once you get to the woods,

0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:20.960
<v Speaker 2>it's there's no set amount, but usually it'll end up

0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:25.680
<v Speaker 2>about six to seven drivers and it usually takes up

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:28.680
<v Speaker 2>about twenty to thirty minutes and head back to the

0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 2>putting greens for a quick little run through of you

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:38.439
<v Speaker 2>know inside ten feet, inside five feet, to seeing the ball,

0:41:38.640 --> 0:41:41.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, get onto some straight puts, to seeing the

0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:45.680
<v Speaker 2>ball going in the hole, and just getting your confidence

0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:49.759
<v Speaker 2>up and getting ready to go. So no specific number

0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:52.080
<v Speaker 2>of shots, but it just seems to work out the

0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:53.040
<v Speaker 2>same way age time.

0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's kind of similar to you know a lot

0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:00.480
<v Speaker 1>you hear, it's a little bit of everything and just

0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:05.600
<v Speaker 1>really building confidence. Huh m hm, Well that's awesome. Well,

0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:08.480
<v Speaker 1>we really appreciate the time that you were able to

0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:11.760
<v Speaker 1>give us, especially you know, a week before a big major.

0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:16.319
<v Speaker 1>We'll be pulling for you over there. And then uh,

0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:19.799
<v Speaker 1>what's uh when you get done with the British, what's

0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:21.759
<v Speaker 1>the schedule look like they're on out.

0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a pretty packed summer. We had the the Open,

0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:29.360
<v Speaker 2>and then we had the US Open, and then we

0:42:29.400 --> 0:42:34.640
<v Speaker 2>had the Bridge Stone and now it's Greenbrier was canceled,

0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:38.080
<v Speaker 2>which was this week due to the flooding, and my goodness,

0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:42.040
<v Speaker 2>that was just terrible. Hopefully, uh, everything gets cleaned up

0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 2>down there and UH, but off the off to the

0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Open and then just trying to put together the final

0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:53.640
<v Speaker 2>UH thoughts on the schedule. I've got Canada right after

0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:55.360
<v Speaker 2>the Open. Whether I'm playing it or not, I got

0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:58.440
<v Speaker 2>to make that decision this week and then UH and

0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:02.560
<v Speaker 2>then right into the PGA Campion. So if I play all,

0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:04.800
<v Speaker 2>if I play Canada, I'll play these three weeks and

0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:07.360
<v Speaker 2>it will be three great tournaments, three great venues and

0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 2>U and then then it's gonna be a little bit

0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:15.480
<v Speaker 2>of off time to get get back to Florida, get settled,

0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 2>get my daughter ready for UH for first grade, and

0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:22.440
<v Speaker 2>then the playoffs will be starting up. So there'll be

0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:29.280
<v Speaker 2>three three events Travelers John Deere in the Greensboro Greater Greensboro,

0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:32.399
<v Speaker 2>and I'll probably play one of them, Greensboro being more

0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:35.600
<v Speaker 2>likely the UH the one that I might play right

0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:38.600
<v Speaker 2>before the playoffs. And then it's four weeks of playoffs.

0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:41.719
<v Speaker 2>Hopefully I'm you know, looking good to be in the

0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:48.320
<v Speaker 2>first three events, the Barclays, the Deutsche Bank and the

0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:51.640
<v Speaker 2>BMW and in Indiana. I think it's in the Indiana

0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:54.120
<v Speaker 2>this year at crook a Stick, not in Chicago this year,

0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:56.839
<v Speaker 2>but looking forward to that. It's close to home. Uh,

0:43:57.360 --> 0:43:59.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure I'll have a lot of family and friends

0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:02.520
<v Speaker 2>out from Cincinnati and look forward to that and trying

0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:06.000
<v Speaker 2>to get into the Tour Championship. That's been my h.

0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:09.759
<v Speaker 2>I've got two goals left on the year. I've accomplished

0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:12.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot this year, but finishing the top thirty uh

0:44:13.040 --> 0:44:16.200
<v Speaker 2>and making the Tour Championship and then obviously uh making

0:44:16.280 --> 0:44:20.640
<v Speaker 2>the Ryder Cup to be the final goals. So we'll

0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:26.000
<v Speaker 2>see if we can we can get those two and yeah,

0:44:26.080 --> 0:44:27.799
<v Speaker 2>we'll be just be an awesome year.

0:44:28.360 --> 0:44:31.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's already been a good one and hopefully I

0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:33.520
<v Speaker 1>could be a great one with you know, you get

0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:36.560
<v Speaker 1>another winner, another couple of top fives in there, and

0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:39.479
<v Speaker 1>that's definitely a possibility, right.

0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:42.960
<v Speaker 2>That's right, it's all it's all good stuff. So it's

0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:46.680
<v Speaker 2>very blessed to be on the tour and you know,

0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:50.960
<v Speaker 2>just winning was just fabulous and really proud of the

0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:54.239
<v Speaker 2>hard work that went into it. But thanks for having

0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:56.400
<v Speaker 2>me on, and this is great talk and love talking

0:44:56.400 --> 0:45:01.759
<v Speaker 2>to golf and golf architecture and everything that is that

0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:04.120
<v Speaker 2>this great game of golf offers.

0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:06.840
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, let us know if you're in town and

0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:09.600
<v Speaker 1>we'll uh we'll go uh, we'll get you out to

0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:12.040
<v Speaker 1>some of the some of the courses up here and

0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:15.560
<v Speaker 1>then uh yeah, so look forward to look forward to

0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:18.319
<v Speaker 1>watching you this next week at the British and uh,

0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:21.080
<v Speaker 1>thanks so much for your time. We really appreciate it.

0:45:21.960 --> 0:45:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much.