1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: So here we are back for another edition of the 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Friday Podcast and glad to have our guests for this week, 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: PGA Tour winner Jim Herman. Jim won the Shelle Houston 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: Open earlier this year and thrilling fashion beating the likes 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: of Hendrix Dentson and Dustin Johnson down the stretch to 6 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: win his first PGA Tour events. 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: So, Jim, thanks for coming on. Yeah, appreciate it. Thanks 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: for having me on and look forward to talking to 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: some golf and h you know what's coming up for 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: myself in the next couple of months and what's happened. 11 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: It would be fun, great, great. 12 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: So I think one of the things that I find 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: the most interesting with all pro golfers is kind of 14 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: a journey and how the highs and lows of golf 15 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: in general. While there's you know, those instant success stories 16 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: such a Jordan Speth for a lot of guys, takes 17 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: a while and as we all as golfers have felt, 18 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: there are highs and lows and you know, it really 19 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 1: kind of can kick you while you're down. 20 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:09,919 Speaker 2: And I think. 21 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: You you've got just a very unique story, one where 22 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: you know you you gave it a go, right out 23 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: of college, and you know, you came back for a 24 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: second run at it, and I'd love to just kind 25 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: of hear from from your perspective about you know, getting 26 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: to the tour and you know some of the great moments, 27 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: some of the low moments, and you know kind of 28 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: what you were thinking on your journey. 29 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, unlike the instant success stories like 30 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 2: you know, like you said, Jordan's outstanding and just right 31 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: out of right out of you know, a year of college, 32 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: and uh, there's a lot of us that it's it's 33 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: a struggle and I think it's more common to have 34 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: the struggles againstant success stories and uh, you know a 35 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 2: lot of the struggles then don't even lead to uh, 36 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: you know, any time on the tour or uh, you know, 37 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: maybe just a few years on the web and that 38 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: then you're you're in and out and you know, just perseverance. 39 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: I you know, I got a Cincinnati in two thousand, 40 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: moved to South Florida. I'm gonna chase the many tours 41 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: and see if i could get through the PGA Tour 42 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: qualifying school in the fall. And that was the summer 43 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: of one. I moved to Florida, played Golden Bear Tour 44 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 2: and you know, just had a very you know, common summer, 45 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: just made a lot of cuts, playing many tours and 46 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: got through first stage of Q school and was very 47 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: close at the second stage. I think I was well 48 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 2: within the number going into the final round at second 49 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 2: stage of Q School. And if that's the stage that 50 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 2: everyone dreads, it's uh you have to get through to 51 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 2: get the finals, and uh yeah, and you would have 52 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: status either on a nationwide at the time or it 53 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 2: might've been buy dot com I don't remember the name then, 54 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 2: but you or you'll have to J tour status and 55 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: if you don't get through, you're, you know, back to 56 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: playing many tours or whatever you were doing before with 57 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 2: no real certainty of your golf futures. So unfortunately for me, 58 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: I didn't get through that first year, and uh nor 59 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 2: did my second, third, fourth at sixth seventh, I'm either, 60 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: So it was it was frustrating, you know, So what 61 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 2: do you do. I've played four years of mini tours 62 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: of just strictly playing golf and nothing else, you know, 63 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: just working at a club the PJA village, just for 64 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: a place to play and uh, you know where I 65 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: could call home and practice and you know, I just 66 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: couldn't get through second stage of U school, so got 67 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: in the golf business. I was an assistant professional at 68 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: the PJ Village and then went to New Jersey and 69 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: started I was an assistant there at that Trump National 70 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: And this is in seven now, so six and o 71 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: seven in New Jersey. And finally that second year at UH, 72 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 2: I was able to get through Q school. You know, 73 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: I'm still going to Q school every year, but I 74 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: was finally able to get through and get some status 75 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: on the web dot com or the nationwide tours it 76 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: was as it was called at the time, and started 77 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: my touring, uh touring life, my touring golf life. That's 78 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 2: in starting to eight. And I've been playing on tour, 79 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: either on the web dot Com or the PGA Tour 80 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: ever since. So pretty much the last nine years. I 81 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 2: had four years on the Nationwide Tour and then the 82 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: past five years on the PGA Tour. So it's pretty 83 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: uh pretty long journey thirty eight and uh, you know, 84 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 2: I haven't completed my fifth year on tour. I don't know, 85 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: you know what how that stacks up with others If 86 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: you know, after five years, if you'd be a lot 87 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: younger or I'm sure of being much younger than U, 88 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 2: you know, thirty eight. So yeah, it again takes her 89 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: own Everyone takes her own road, and that's my road, 90 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: and uh, you know, proud of it. You know, it 91 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: wouldn't have it any other way. 92 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: That I think that's a good point. It's just you know, 93 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: it's everybody's journey. Do you think that you know, in 94 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: the time you were away and you're being when you're 95 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: in an assistant pro business, do you think the time 96 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: away helped when you made kind of that second comeback. 97 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: I think one of the things I find unique is 98 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: that you know, you you kind of hung them up 99 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: and then came back out. Do you think the time 100 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: away really helped you gain perspective? 101 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. You know, I guess I put the 102 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 2: dream of being on tour aside for about you know, 103 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 2: ten eleven months of the year, and then then once 104 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 2: Q school the time to send into school money and 105 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 2: you know, think about it, you know, then I got 106 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: back into it. But yeah, I definitely was committed to uh, 107 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: you know, golf professional and become the PGM program with 108 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 2: the PGA of America, and uh, I was starting down 109 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: that road and it's gonna be very content with that. 110 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: And uh, I love golf, and I was, you know, 111 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 2: gonna be very content being a club professional, and uh, 112 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: but I knew there was always you know, there was 113 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: always two schools at the end of the year, and 114 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 2: I knew, I could you know, find a way to 115 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: raise money and uh, you know, pay the four thousand 116 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: dollars every year for that, and uh, I still had 117 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 2: a chance. And but yeah, like you said, definitely appreciated 118 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 2: it a little a little bit more once I got 119 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 2: out on the on the web dot com plan full 120 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: full time again. And then if I would have cut 121 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: out right there after the first couple of years of 122 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: uh of trying. 123 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: So I'd love to talk a little bit about your 124 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: win at Houston this year. Obviously, for those that don't 125 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,799 Speaker 1: know about Jim's career, he's kind of like a cut machine, 126 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: so he makes a ton of cuts. Hadn't been in 127 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,559 Speaker 1: you know, deep contention a lot on the on the tour, 128 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: had had a couple of really good finishes, but nowhere 129 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: where he was, you know, in in the league late 130 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: on Sunday. So I'd love to hear a little bit about, 131 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: you know, kind of what was I always think about, 132 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: you know, when I'm playing in tournament golf, what other 133 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: guys are thinking about. So I'd love to hear, you 134 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: know a little bit about you know, what was going 135 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: on in your head as you were trying to close 136 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: out that uh that tournament and coming down the stretch. 137 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: You know, you played a great final round and really 138 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: kind of closed the door on world class players like 139 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: Stenson and Dustin Johnson. 140 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: Sure, that's a great question. Well, you know this, my 141 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: years on tour were not exactly fantastic, like you're saying, 142 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: making plenty of cuts, but just not having anything fantastic. 143 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: You know. No, you know, I had one top five 144 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: prior to to winning, and you know it's to say 145 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: that it's not easy to contend on the tour. But 146 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: that being said, you know I was having a pretty 147 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: decent career. This was uh, you know, pretty good for 148 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: you know, someone at thirty eight years old and you 149 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 2: know made it out a little bit later. I was 150 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: going to be you know, fully vested on the tour, 151 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: having played five years on the on the tour, so 152 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: you know, things weren't that bad. I was an anonymous player. 153 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: There's a lot of us out there that are you 154 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 2: know that still the Silva field, and you know, you 155 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 2: have your superstars every week, and then you know there's 156 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: one hundred and usually one hundred and fifty six golfers 157 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: playing on the tour, so each week and you know, 158 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: you can get lost out there and no one really 159 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: knows who you are, and but we all know that 160 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: we have the talent and the capability of contending, and 161 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: you know, you just have to put yourself in position 162 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: as many times as you can. So having said that, 163 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: you know, I finished fourth at New Orleans last year. 164 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: I kind of came up on on a you know, 165 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,599 Speaker 2: at thirty six hole Sunday afternoon, and you know, I 166 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: didn't have the pressure of the final groups or anything 167 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: like that. You know, put two great rounds together and 168 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: I was able to finish fourth and that really helped 169 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 2: jump start my summer or I mean, just really keep 170 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: my card last year. That pretty much solidified it. And 171 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: uh but I also had a seventh that's Honda. Earlier 172 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: in the year, played thirty six holes with Phil Mickelson. 173 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: You know, it's put into the pressure of playing with 174 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: one of the superstars of the game, and I was 175 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 2: able to, you know, play really well with him and 176 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 2: hold my own. So I knew if I was in 177 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: when I got myself in the contention, I was gonna 178 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: be able to to uh handle the pressure. And Houston 179 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 2: started out like any other week. I played well on 180 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: on round one. Round two was with some weather delays 181 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 2: and we had to come back on Saturday morning. And 182 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: this is probably the key, uh for Houston, was you know, 183 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: I was like in twenty fifth position with four holes 184 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: to go to finish my round on Friday or my 185 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 2: second round on who we finished on Saturday morning, and 186 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 2: I pready too in my final four and moved inside 187 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 2: the top ten, and you know, I was able to 188 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: regroup and get a little uh you know, a couple 189 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: hours off between the two rounds, and you know it's 190 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 2: in third or fourth last pairing, and it was just 191 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 2: a really good solid round for that Saturday round. But 192 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 2: I was able to get up and down in the 193 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 2: final hole on eighteen to cap off a really solid 194 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: round and get myself in the final pairing. So that 195 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: was really really want something I was hoping I could do. 196 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 2: You never know what's going to happen in the final pairing, 197 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 2: but I wanted to put myself in the position now 198 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 2: it's uh, it's what we're what we're out there to 199 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 2: do is to see how we're gonna compete at the 200 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: highest level. And yeah, it was. It was pretty awesome. 201 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 2: Teen off, you know, final group on a Sunday on 202 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 2: the tour and loan of a hold. You know, things 203 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: went my way. You know, I was able to handle 204 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: the pressure and you know, beholding the trophy at the 205 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: end of the at the end of the tournament. 206 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: Uh huh, that's that's cool. It's so would you say that, 207 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: you know, kind of nerves going under around was that 208 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: that you know most you felt or you know, I 209 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: hear from a lot of people the first p shot 210 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: in their first US Open is always you know, really jittery. 211 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: And how how did it compare to some other Pigma 212 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: moments in your career. 213 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'll agree that the you know, playing in 214 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: US Opens are pretty fantastic. There are great feelings and 215 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: very nervous first keys. You know, my first my first 216 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: PGA Tour event was was awesome playing the in the 217 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: US Open. That was my first PJ tourment, you know, 218 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 2: that was in twenty ten and U very nervous, but 219 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: it was more the night before you know, just getting 220 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: the Saturday night in the final group, I was tied 221 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: for the lead. There were a bunch of people right 222 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 2: behind us, behind Jamie and I, and you know, I 223 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 2: wasn't going to just be able to go out and 224 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: shoot even par I was gonna have to go win it. 225 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: So it's not like I had a multiple shot lead 226 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 2: and it was mine to lose. I just happened to 227 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 2: be in the final pairing and I was gonna have 228 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 2: to go shoot a good round. So I wasn't too 229 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: consumed with that kind of pressure. But just it's you 230 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: can't help but answer the phone or read the text 231 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 2: or the emails and the tweets and the Facebook, and 232 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 2: you know everyone's telling you you're gonna do it. It's 233 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,599 Speaker 2: a great confidence boost, but you know you're kind of 234 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: getting ahead of ahead of yourself, and you got to 235 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: just put that aside. And you know I was able 236 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 2: to do that. I was able to get some good rest. 237 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 2: I slept pretty well Saturday night, and you know, I 238 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 2: had a good breakfast. Everything was great. And you know, 239 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 2: my nerves has been pretty good the last few years. 240 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 2: I'd say I was more nervous a few years ago. 241 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: If I had been in that position. My short game 242 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: was definitely not up to tour quality and just really 243 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,599 Speaker 2: having some struggles with that. And if I wouldn't have 244 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 2: been able to get some help with my short game 245 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 2: the last few years, I definitely would have would not 246 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 2: been able to close it out because there were some 247 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 2: shots that just like the up and down on eighteen 248 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 2: on Saturday, I wouldn't have been able to hit. And 249 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: then obviously I shifted on sixteen to pretty much steal 250 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 2: or to get the lead and put myself in great position. 251 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 2: So those are the things that were holding me back. 252 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: Those that's where I've been most nervous, would have been 253 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: missing a green or you know, my potter was fantastic 254 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 2: that week, so you know, I wasn't even nervous with 255 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 2: with the final you know, the final putts. I know 256 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 2: I had a short one left one pretty short on seventeen, 257 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 2: but I felt really good over the ball and they 258 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 2: would knocking in and then two putts to win is 259 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: not an easy thing. Yeah, I fought when I hit 260 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: that shot on eighteen. My approach, I was really hoping 261 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 2: it would it would crest the hill and start trickling 262 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 2: down and leave myself just a short two putts, but 263 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 2: it is what it is, and I was able to 264 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 2: get it done. And uh, I mean, just what a feeling. 265 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 2: I was overrun with emotion. I'm sure it came out 266 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 2: on the TV, but uh, what a feeling. You know. 267 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: That's something that I've been trying to accomplish ever started, 268 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: ever since I started playing golf. You know, you junior 269 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: golf and then the high school and college. You dream 270 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: of the tour and someday being uh just a member 271 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: of making the tour and then you know, to call 272 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: myself a PGA Tour winner. It's just awesome and fantastic. 273 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's it's really cool. I mean, it's 274 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: the the I guess the next pinnacle is probably a 275 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: major champion, but I mean, just getting to where you're 276 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: at right now, it's it's pretty darn good. So something 277 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: I'm curious about just from my so I look at 278 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: my self, examine and all the time my game and 279 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: playing just an amateur tournaments around you know, the state 280 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: of Illinois, and I look at some of our top 281 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: flight amateur players and then I look at my game 282 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: and it's and you know, something that you hit on 283 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: that I think, you know, I always look at its like, 284 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: I think the short game is always the difference between 285 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: me and some of the top players, where you know 286 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: they're able to manufacture scores. Do you feel like that's 287 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: kind of the you know at the PGA Tour, is 288 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: that the big differentiator as well? 289 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 2: Yes, it is. Jordan Steve Is is putting so well, 290 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: and he puts himself in contention seems like every week 291 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: because he puts so well. Jason Day is like number 292 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 2: one and putting right now, So I know he drives 293 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: it so well. In the irons are so well, but 294 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: when he's putting, he's unbeatable. You know. Dustin Johnson drives 295 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 2: it so well, but I think he's number one in 296 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: short irons, you know, in his wedge game, and if 297 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: that continues, we're all in trouble. So it's I mean 298 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: Phil Mickelson, you know, he'll talk about how many, how 299 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: few fairways he hits and you know, just gets it 300 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 2: around the green, and you know, he's his short game 301 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: is so good, you know it. You know I don't 302 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 2: have that. I don't have that ability to miss, uh 303 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: you know, five, six, seven, eight fairways and miss these greens. 304 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: I just don't have the uh the short game to 305 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: get up and down from all the spots that he's doing. 306 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 2: So it's there. You know, you got to play to 307 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 2: your strengths. And I know that I'm a better iron 308 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: player from fairways, so I'll definitely stick to my strength. 309 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: So it's hitting the fairway and then given myself, my 310 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 2: best chance for Bertie is from the fairway and uh, 311 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: low stress rounds. So I definitely try to play to 312 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: my strengths as well as I can, because I know 313 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: when I look back at tournaments and I look at 314 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: my fairways or my greens percentage hit and if it's 315 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 2: if it's down under sixty percent, I know I'm not 316 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 2: going to be anywhere near the game contention, just to 317 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: the fact I don't get it up and down as 318 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 2: many times as they do. So that's definitely something I 319 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 2: work on. I work on it every week, work on 320 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 2: the short game with the teacher, and uh yeah, it's 321 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 2: definitely something you have to have. It's uh, I mean, 322 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 2: we all drive the ball reasonably, do well, and everyone 323 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 2: hits it three hundred yards now, it seems like, and 324 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 2: but you gotta be able to chip and putt. 325 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I think. I mean, where you can 326 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: gain the most most strokes on the field is consistently 327 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: getting up and down. And you know, many authorities with wedges. 328 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: You know, a great drive might gain you a tenth 329 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: of a shot, but yeah, versus not getting up and 330 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: down from an easy spot, we'll lose a whole shot 331 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: on the field. 332 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And that was the thing. It was just 333 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 2: just routine up and downs. You've got to get them, 334 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,479 Speaker 2: you know, ninety percent, you've got to get them up 335 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 2: and down. I mean, the hard ones are going to 336 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 2: be you know, fifty percent. You know, you'll struggle, but 337 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 2: it's it's just the just the easy ones. You've got 338 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 2: to be better than that, the easier shots. And uh, 339 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: we're we're getting there, were making a lot of progress. 340 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: So it's good, that's true. 341 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: So I guess, you know, obviously with the win, you 342 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: get the two year exemption, which is just huge. You've 343 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: got the PGA Tour winner status, which can you know, 344 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: get you into tournaments for a long time. And then 345 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: obviously you've now gotten yourself into some you know, the Masters, 346 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: the you know, and uh, into some of the w 347 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: GC events. So tell me about you know, kind of 348 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: how just regular day life has changed, and you know 349 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: what you're kind of what the best thing about being 350 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: a PGA Tour winner. 351 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 2: Is then, well, life definitely changed. At first week in April, 352 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,719 Speaker 2: no longer not this you know at tour events and uh, 353 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,719 Speaker 2: you know, everyone knows who you are now, and it's 354 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 2: it's pretty pretty much a great feeling to have a crowd, uh, 355 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 2: you know cheering for you that you know, you know, 356 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 2: they know who you are now and uh, you know 357 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 2: they you can't really but they can't really state how 358 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: much that helps you when you're playing. You know, it's 359 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 2: it's just a great feeling. So, you know, getting asked 360 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 2: for autographs, you know, outside of the golf course, people 361 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 2: know who you are at you know, restaurants and things 362 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 2: like that. That's just that's been a big change for me, 363 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 2: and uh, I've embraced it. And I can't imagine how 364 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 2: the superstars in this game or any other sports, uh, 365 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 2: how they handle it. Uh, I mean it's just unreal 366 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 2: the demands that they have on their time and U 367 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 2: it's I don't have that that problem, but it's it's 368 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,239 Speaker 2: been pretty exciting just to have those things happen to me. Uh, 369 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 2: you know, after golf course and off the golf course. 370 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 2: But other than that, I'm still the same guy. Nothing 371 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 2: for me has changed. I just you know, I was, 372 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 2: like I said, I was having a pretty boring five 373 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 2: year career on on the PGA Tour, and uh, I was, 374 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: you know, my one of my best friends does telling me, 375 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 2: you know that, you know, you're just doing You're doing, 376 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 2: You're doing great. Five years on tour. You're gonna have 377 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 2: a pension from the PJ Tour. I mean whatever. I 378 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 2: would have loved to have said, you know, you're gonna 379 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: play the tour for five years and and that's it 380 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 2: and never win. I would have taken that. So I 381 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 2: thought I was having a pretty pretty solid career playing 382 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: golf the last nine nine years professionally, five on the 383 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: PGA Tour pretty pretty exciting stuff. But then to throw 384 00:20:54,560 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 2: a win, it's just just amazing. And you know, two 385 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 2: more years on the tour guaranteed, and uh, you know, 386 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna have played all the all four majors 387 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 2: in one year. You know, I'm in the Open next 388 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 2: week and uh PGA to follow up a few weeks 389 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 2: after that. That's just things that would have never even 390 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 2: thought were possible. And Uh, now here they are. Those 391 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 2: are the only things that have really changed on my 392 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 2: end is just the tournaments I've gotten in as a 393 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 2: result of the win, and just not having to look 394 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 2: very far down the patic couples to see my name. 395 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: That's that's a pretty that's a pretty cool feeling. 396 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: Less growing is always better, That's right. So you know, 397 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: with the with the Open coming up next week, why 398 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 1: didn't you. 399 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 2: Talk it through? 400 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: You know, how you're preparing differently for you know, the 401 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: weather conditions, the style of golf, and kind of your 402 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: experience so far with links golf in your life and career. 403 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: Well, spend the summer with my wife, My wife and 404 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 2: my kids. We spend it in Philadelphia with her mom 405 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 2: and dad. It's just easy to travel out of Philly 406 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 2: and we can get to a lot of locations here 407 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 2: from here, and that we do in South Florida. Uh, 408 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 2: And it's not as hot on a regular basis as 409 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 2: it is in Florida. So we're up here and I'm 410 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 2: gonna play a few great golf courses here the next 411 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 2: few days. And I've been very fortunate those members at 412 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 2: the great clubs here at Philly, and uh, you know, 413 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: Mary and being being one of them. That's one of 414 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 2: my all time favorite golf courses. So I'm gonna play 415 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 2: out there on Friday. And another hidden gym here in Philly, 416 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 2: uh Rolling Green Country Club, but I think I'm playing 417 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 2: there tomorrow and William Flynn just a great golf course. 418 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 2: Will be my first time around there, so I'm not 419 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 2: playing anything anything different with golf courses. But you know, 420 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 2: while I'm playing, I'm probably gonna just be aware of 421 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: how high I'm teen, and I know we'll definitely try 422 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 2: to keep this keep the t shots lower. I'm probably 423 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 2: gonna just take my hybrid out and not even have 424 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 2: it with me because I'm pretty sure i'm gonna be 425 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 2: using a three iron or two iron instead of a hybrid, 426 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 2: and uh, just with when I'm around greens, I'm probably 427 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: just gonna be aware of just going low. I know 428 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 2: we'll be putting the ball in the on the ground 429 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 2: as much as possible. But one other thing is just 430 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 2: having been over there, the bunkers get really deep and severe, 431 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 2: So you know, just gonna put in some practice here 432 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 2: at home just getting my bunker shots up as quickly 433 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 2: as possible. I know that, you know, the sad faced 434 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 2: bunkers over there are just just brutals. So those are 435 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 2: just a few things, and but other than that, it's 436 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 2: it's just gonna be It's gonna be great. Uh my first, 437 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 2: my first Open championship, and Oil Troon looks like it 438 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 2: is quite the test. It's your classic out and in 439 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 2: of course, I think the first uh seven are straight 440 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: out coaching stamp on the eighth and then it turns 441 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: around and then it starts coming back and heard the 442 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 2: when you come back, you better have been under par 443 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 2: on your way out because you're going to give it 444 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 2: back the way yet. So it's, uh, it's here. We're 445 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 2: gonna have some weather, so it's it's gonna be in 446 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 2: the fifties, sixties and kind of rainy, and uh you know, 447 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 2: it's probably par for the course over there during most 448 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 2: of the opens. Uh. I've been over to Scotland once, 449 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 2: took a trip with a couple of friends of mine 450 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 2: and we were over on the other side of scott 451 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 2: Owner and Andrews and Carnoski and Mierfield and Aberdeen and 452 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 2: played some really great golf courses over there. But so 453 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 2: I have an idea of what scott if golf's all about. 454 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 2: We also took a trip to England and played the 455 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 2: road of courses in Northern England or We'll live in 456 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 2: Saint Anne's and hoy Lake and Royal Birkdale and those 457 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 2: were just some fabulous golf courses. But looking forward to it. 458 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 2: My wife's gonna go with me and just the two 459 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 2: of us and the caddie all the year over there 460 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 2: with us as well. But looking forward to the test 461 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 2: of the British Open and seeing how I can do 462 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: and we'll see what happens. 463 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, you just got a channel. That drive you hit 464 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: on eighteen at Houston is that low bullet? That thing 465 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: was awesome. 466 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely need more of those. Yeah. 467 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: So going back to golf courses, we're I'm really into 468 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: golf course architecture. I think it's a kind of avenue 469 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: of further enjoyment of the game that more and more 470 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 1: people need to get into. And I'd love to hear 471 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: kind of your favorite tour stops from a golf course perspective, 472 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, whether you play well at the course or not, 473 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: you know, and then also kind of your favorite courses 474 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: that you've gotten the chance to play across the country 475 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: and the world, as in in the golf Yuh as 476 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 1: a golf bro. 477 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: Well, I've been very fortunate. I'm gonna start off there too. 478 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 2: Before I was on tour, you know, I worked in 479 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 2: some in South Florida, and then I obviously worked in 480 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 2: New Jersey. And it's very fortunate to be able to 481 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 2: play a lot of break golf courses in New Jersey 482 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 2: and spent my time there, and uh just became a 483 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 2: fan of the architecture side of golf at that time 484 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 2: as well. And uh played a lot of C. B. 485 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 2: McDonald and SETH Rayner's in the northeast, and uh, and 486 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 2: then get here there's a lot of Donald Rosses up 487 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 2: there as well. So a couple of courses right there 488 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 2: in Jersey that I loved were Somerset Hills and uh 489 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 2: Mountain Ridge, and just those are two of my all 490 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 2: time favorites there in New Jersey, and then here, spent 491 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 2: a lot of time in Philly, and very like I 492 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 2: said before, very fortunate to uh you know, some members 493 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 2: and they've been very gracious and happy out and uh, 494 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 2: you know, just Hugh Wilson's Marian is just just a gentleman. 495 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: I'd love it there. I love playing Mary and it's 496 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 2: just a treat. And then uh, you know, we have 497 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 2: so many other great ones Aronomic and Philly Cricket and 498 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 2: just across the way in New Jersey with Pine Valley 499 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 2: and uh, such such a hot bed for golf up 500 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 2: here in golf, great golf courses, in great golf architecture, 501 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: and very blessed to uh be able to uh get 502 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 2: around there, get around on those courses here in the summer. Yeah, 503 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: but on I'm sorry, on tour, there's obviously, uh my 504 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 2: my couple of my favorites are Pebble Beach. How can 505 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 2: you not like Pebble Beach. It's just uh, I played 506 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 2: my first Open at Double and uh, you know, just 507 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: love playing the at and t there every year. And 508 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 2: then uh, Ross down in Greensboro at Sedgefield is just 509 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 2: one of my other favorites, don't I don't know if 510 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 2: I'm gonna play there this year or not, but it's 511 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 2: always one of my favorite spots. And then gotta gotta 512 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 2: throw in the golf cub of Houston now is one 513 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 2: of my favorite tour stops for the favorite tour courses. 514 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 2: So you know it's they they have it manicure just 515 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 2: just so we can get ready for Augusta, and they 516 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 2: do a great job. Every every blade of grass is 517 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 2: perfectly maintained and it's it's just a great, great venue, 518 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 2: a lot of risk reward holes. And and then non 519 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 2: tour golf courses. I think I have a fondness for 520 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 2: Trump National in Bedminster, New Jersey, having worked there a 521 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 2: few years. And they're going to be hosting the Women's 522 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 2: Open next summer and then when the Men's PGA and 523 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, so it'll fit into it being a 524 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 2: tour course at some point. But obviously his best work, 525 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: Trump's best work is at Trump National Bedminster. And then 526 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 2: a great course back home in Cincinnati, Coldstream Country Club. 527 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 2: Comargo gets a lot of the love for the finest 528 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 2: golf course in Cincinnati, but I think Coldstream might be 529 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 2: my favorite. It's definitely my favorite. I have a little 530 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 2: biased there, one of the city Amateur tournament there, but 531 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 2: Dick Wilson is just a great, great golf course there. 532 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 2: And then one of my favorite ones in Florida is 533 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 2: Jupiter Hills, George Fazio design and just has lots of 534 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 2: character and plenty of elevation for being right, you know, 535 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: a quarter mile from the ocean and yeah, that point 536 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 2: the beach. 537 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,959 Speaker 1: I drive by it all the time, and I mean 538 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: it's amazing how many hills they have there versus the 539 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: rest of the terrain. 540 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 2: And uh, in that area it's so flat, and. 541 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: You know that course has so many hills. I'm I'm excited. 542 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: I haven't gotten to play a ton of golf in 543 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: the Northeast and and I'm heading out to Philly in 544 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks for a wedding and I'm flying 545 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: out a few days early and going to get some 546 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: some courses them out there. So that's that'll be exciting. 547 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: But uh, in terms of kind of favorite architects, you've 548 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: hit on a few, you know, kind of who stands 549 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: out as your favorite architects. 550 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 2: Well, I mean having played a bunch of the C 551 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 2: B McDonald Steth rainers, Uh, they you know there you 552 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 2: see their work most as you travel all over the country, 553 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 2: and I know they did so many golf courses across 554 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 2: the country, and their their work is you know, you 555 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 2: just can't get a better design than you know, like 556 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 2: that radiant, the radan hole that they have. There's so 557 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: many great radans. Chicago Golf Club has maybe the hardest 558 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 2: hardest dance Part three in the country. Uh, Tomargo has 559 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 2: a great dance. 560 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, we just did a big piece on dance. 561 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: We're doing We're I'm writing like detailed kind of detailed 562 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: articles with overviews evolved the template holes and then extensive 563 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: pictures of different clubs and their version of the radan. 564 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's so cool how they have 565 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: these template holes and you know, you look at them 566 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: from course to course and they're different, but they're you know, 567 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,239 Speaker 1: kind of the same, and it's just observing how they 568 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: use the land so much differently. Is uh, is the 569 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: coolest part about it? 570 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: I think, Oh, it sure is. And then just for 571 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 2: people that don't know, uh, and I didn't know, like 572 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 2: when you see the Barritz full you know, I was 573 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 2: playing Camargo and Cincinnati and the US Amateur Qualifier. I'm 574 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 2: just always wondering about this. You know, what is this? 575 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 2: You know eight foot dipth in the green or in 576 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 2: front of the green? Like, what is that about? And 577 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 2: then you just learn about it and read up and 578 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 2: it's it's such a great feature and it's all over 579 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 2: the golf courses. Uh, you know, and like you said, 580 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 2: in the template holes across the country and there's so 581 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 2: many great Barrits holes as well, and it's so unique. 582 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 2: And like you said, they they had their temple, but 583 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 2: they you know, they used the land that they were 584 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 2: given and blended it in and uh that's uh. I 585 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 2: just enjoyed playing those those golf courses and especially uh 586 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 2: uh like I said, I think Camargo is A is 587 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 2: a great one there in Sinci and Chicago golf is 588 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 2: one of my one of my all time favorites. 589 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the uh as a Chicago and the one 590 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: course that I haven't checked off here and. 591 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 2: Just driving me, you won't be disappointed. I know. 592 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: Every year I just crossed my fingers that this is 593 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: bigger that I'll somehow get invite it out there. But 594 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: it's uh, you just gotta sit and wait. It's a 595 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: waiting game for a lot of the great golf courses. 596 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 2: Sure is. 597 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, So in terms of kind of I always 598 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: am curious with different tour pros, what what do you 599 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: do in your downtime when you're at say a tournament 600 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: and reno or you know, and uh, and lots of 601 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: like not me, not lots of things, but you know, 602 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: these these tournaments you know, when you're not playing, what 603 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: are you doing? 604 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 2: For the most part, you mentioned two favorite. You know, 605 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 2: any any course that has a casino, lots of lots 606 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 2: of opportunity for entertainment. So unfortunately, uh, you know, I'm 607 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 2: probably like ninety percent of the pghor golfers. We all 608 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 2: like the gambles. So if there's a casine on your 609 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 2: we're always in there just playing some black jack, just 610 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 2: passing the time. But you know, on the road, it 611 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,879 Speaker 2: all depends if my family's with me or not. If 612 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,919 Speaker 2: I'm alone, it just seems like I'm pretty low key. 613 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 2: I watch a lot of movies or you know, a 614 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 2: lot of Netflix in the room, and get a lot 615 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 2: of take out and you know, burrito joints, Chipotle or 616 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 2: mos And I'm very very easy, so I don't do 617 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 2: a whole lot. It's pretty sad actually when you think 618 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 2: about it. But it's the families with me. We try 619 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 2: to get out and you know, get something. Uh you know, 620 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 2: we're just planning, planning the day around the kids and 621 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 2: in my golf schedule. So you know, we do as 622 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 2: much as we can together and if I can't join them, 623 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 2: I love when my wife takes we have a six 624 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 2: year old and two year old. UH to the zoos 625 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 2: and in each city or in DC a couple of 626 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 2: weeks ago they went to the Rains Base Museum and 627 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 2: just great things for them to uh to experience and uh, 628 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 2: but we we definitely like the zoos in each town. 629 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 2: The kids love the animals and uh uh downtime at 630 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 2: home when I'm not playing, you know, I just try 631 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 2: to do whatever I can to be with the family. 632 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 2: Depends if it's a summer or in school. My daughter 633 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 2: will be in first grade, so you know, it'll be 634 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 2: hard for them to travel as much once that starts 635 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 2: back up in late August. And to be honest, I 636 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 2: play a lot of golf when I'm the home, and 637 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 2: you know, it's uh, I can turn the switch off 638 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 2: and on between tournament golf and casual golf. I love playing. 639 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 2: I just love playing golf with friends and uh, you know, 640 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 2: It's just always been a part of my life and 641 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,479 Speaker 2: it'll it'll continue to be a part of my life 642 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,439 Speaker 2: after touring is over or when I'm when I'm at home, 643 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 2: do a lot of fantasy sports and really enjoy the 644 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 2: following that stuff. And I'm just a sports fan in general, 645 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 2: so I might as well do the fantasy on top 646 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 2: of it. 647 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: So, yeah, the Bengals. You gotta be a Bengals. 648 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 2: Fan, right, I'm definitely a Bengals fan. So it's uh, 649 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 2: it's been hard at times, but we're gonna we're gonna 650 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 2: break through this year. We're gonna get get deep into 651 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 2: the playoffs this year. So we're we've been close the 652 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 2: last five years. We're gonna do it. So Reds are 653 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 2: struggling right now, so it's all in the Bengals. 654 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, my Coveyes are beating us the central teams. 655 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,720 Speaker 2: So films are doing well. They're killing the Reds today, 656 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 2: I think. 657 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: All right, So I got a couple questions if you 658 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: if you got a little bit more time from our 659 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: some of our readers, thanks again for taking the time. 660 00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 1: But so from Stuart Smith, Uh, you want to know, 661 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 1: is the driver close to being obsolete on the PGA 662 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,720 Speaker 1: Tour when classic courses are the hosts. 663 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 2: Well you definitely see that. You know, let's just take 664 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 2: Plainfield last year for the Barclays. You know, a classic 665 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 2: Donald Ross and I was using hybrid quite a bit. 666 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 2: So when they pinched the pinched the fairways and the 667 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 2: bunkers are positions like they are. Yeah, there's not going 668 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 2: to be a whole lot of drivers except for you know, 669 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 2: the guys that hit driver no matter what. I think 670 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 2: Dustin is a one guy that is going to hit 671 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 2: the driver no matter what. So you know he showed 672 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 2: you at Oakmont. I don't know how. You know. Oakmont 673 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 2: was just impossible if you did not drive it in 674 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 2: the fairway and he drove it long and he drove straight. 675 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 2: So when that's your best, if that's your straightest club, 676 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 2: you will always continue to hit driver. I think, uh, 677 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 2: you know, we don't go to there's only a handful 678 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 2: of tournaments that go to classic courses. So I don't 679 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 2: think that's going to be much of an issue on 680 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 2: the tour anymore. I mean, we've played a lot of 681 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 2: tPCS and you know, just golf clubs like Houston that 682 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 2: were made for drivers, and you know they're stretching them 683 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 2: out seventy five hundred yards, you know, like a Congressional. 684 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 2: We just played Congressional seventy five seventy six hundred yards. It's, uh, 685 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 2: that's the norm. I think we get some golf courses 686 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 2: like Hilton Head, you know where you really have to 687 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 2: position your ball well and uh, you know, even the 688 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 2: course like well, we just played in an acron that 689 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 2: the firestone, you know, with the there's a lot of 690 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 2: overgrown trees and you've got to be positioned pretty well 691 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,800 Speaker 2: all and we definitely hit some hybrids and three woods 692 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 2: off tas. I think hit three wood on eighteen three 693 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,880 Speaker 2: of the four days and uh, and you just got 694 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 2: to be positioned pretty well. So yeah, it is unfortunate 695 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 2: with the U with the length of the drives these days, 696 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 2: that some courses are becoming uh obsolete for TJA Tour 697 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 2: or major golfs. And uh, we'll see what happens. I 698 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 2: don't know what the answer is going to be. But 699 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 2: the ball is going a long way pulls. 700 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 1: You know, and like you said, for you you've got 701 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: to be in the fairway to hit the greens and 702 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 1: that's your keys to good tournaments. So you know, for 703 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: ye the driver might you know, not make as much 704 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: sense at a tighter golf course because you want to 705 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:52,320 Speaker 1: hit the fairway. Sure so in terms of uh so, 706 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: we have another question from Michael Michael Carocelli here he 707 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 1: wants to know in terms of pre round routine on 708 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: the range and putting green. You know, kind of what 709 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,840 Speaker 1: your your pre round routine is and how many drivers 710 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: do you hit on the range before a round? 711 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 2: Okay, great question. I arrived at the putting green an 712 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 2: hour before my teats my starting time, and I take 713 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 2: about ten minutes of of just long speed drills. Just 714 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,320 Speaker 2: no specific amount, but it just seems like it always 715 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 2: has to be about ten minutes and just working on pace, 716 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,399 Speaker 2: just trying to get some feel, and you know, working 717 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 2: on just some longer putts twenty footers, thirty footers, just 718 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 2: back and forth and just kind of just letting out 719 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 2: some you know, the nerves and just an easy way 720 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,799 Speaker 2: to start into your routine. And then just depending if 721 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,400 Speaker 2: the if they have a pitching green or chipping green nearby, 722 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 2: I'll move on to that next and hit a few 723 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 2: bunker shots as well, another ten or so minutes and 724 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 2: then move on to the range and good, you know, 725 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 2: good twenty minutes of full shots, just go right up 726 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 2: the bag from the love wedge. Usually go every other 727 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,840 Speaker 2: club and you know, just five or six balls with 728 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 2: each club, and again once you get to the woods, 729 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 2: it's there's no set amount, but usually it'll end up 730 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 2: about six to seven drivers and it usually takes up 731 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 2: about twenty to thirty minutes and head back to the 732 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 2: putting greens for a quick little run through of you 733 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,439 Speaker 2: know inside ten feet, inside five feet, to seeing the ball, 734 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 2: you know, get onto some straight puts, to seeing the 735 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 2: ball going in the hole, and just getting your confidence 736 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 2: up and getting ready to go. So no specific number 737 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 2: of shots, but it just seems to work out the 738 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 2: same way age time. 739 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of similar to you know a lot 740 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: you hear, it's a little bit of everything and just 741 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: really building confidence. Huh m hm, Well that's awesome. Well, 742 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: we really appreciate the time that you were able to 743 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,760 Speaker 1: give us, especially you know, a week before a big major. 744 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 1: We'll be pulling for you over there. And then uh, 745 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,799 Speaker 1: what's uh when you get done with the British, what's 746 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: the schedule look like they're on out. 747 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:27,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty packed summer. We had the the Open, 748 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,360 Speaker 2: and then we had the US Open, and then we 749 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 2: had the Bridge Stone and now it's Greenbrier was canceled, 750 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 2: which was this week due to the flooding, and my goodness, 751 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 2: that was just terrible. Hopefully, uh, everything gets cleaned up 752 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 2: down there and UH, but off the off to the 753 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,800 Speaker 2: Open and then just trying to put together the final 754 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 2: UH thoughts on the schedule. I've got Canada right after 755 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 2: the Open. Whether I'm playing it or not, I got 756 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 2: to make that decision this week and then UH and 757 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 2: then right into the PGA Campion. So if I play all, 758 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,800 Speaker 2: if I play Canada, I'll play these three weeks and 759 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,360 Speaker 2: it will be three great tournaments, three great venues and 760 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 2: U and then then it's gonna be a little bit 761 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 2: of off time to get get back to Florida, get settled, 762 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 2: get my daughter ready for UH for first grade, and 763 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 2: then the playoffs will be starting up. So there'll be 764 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:29,280 Speaker 2: three three events Travelers John Deere in the Greensboro Greater Greensboro, 765 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,399 Speaker 2: and I'll probably play one of them, Greensboro being more 766 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 2: likely the UH the one that I might play right 767 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 2: before the playoffs. And then it's four weeks of playoffs. 768 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 2: Hopefully I'm you know, looking good to be in the 769 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:48,320 Speaker 2: first three events, the Barclays, the Deutsche Bank and the 770 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 2: BMW and in Indiana. I think it's in the Indiana 771 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 2: this year at crook a Stick, not in Chicago this year, 772 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,839 Speaker 2: but looking forward to that. It's close to home. Uh, 773 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 2: I'm sure I'll have a lot of family and friends 774 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 2: out from Cincinnati and look forward to that and trying 775 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 2: to get into the Tour Championship. That's been my h. 776 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 2: I've got two goals left on the year. I've accomplished 777 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 2: a lot this year, but finishing the top thirty uh 778 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 2: and making the Tour Championship and then obviously uh making 779 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 2: the Ryder Cup to be the final goals. So we'll 780 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 2: see if we can we can get those two and yeah, 781 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,799 Speaker 2: we'll be just be an awesome year. 782 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's already been a good one and hopefully I 783 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: could be a great one with you know, you get 784 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: another winner, another couple of top fives in there, and 785 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,479 Speaker 1: that's definitely a possibility, right. 786 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 2: That's right, it's all it's all good stuff. So it's 787 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 2: very blessed to be on the tour and you know, 788 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,960 Speaker 2: just winning was just fabulous and really proud of the 789 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,239 Speaker 2: hard work that went into it. But thanks for having 790 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,400 Speaker 2: me on, and this is great talk and love talking 791 00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 2: to golf and golf architecture and everything that is that 792 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 2: this great game of golf offers. 793 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, let us know if you're in town and 794 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 1: we'll uh we'll go uh, we'll get you out to 795 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 1: some of the some of the courses up here and 796 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 1: then uh yeah, so look forward to look forward to 797 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,319 Speaker 1: watching you this next week at the British and uh, 798 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 1: thanks so much for your time. We really appreciate it. 799 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 2: Thank you so much.