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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today. What do

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do many things to get to this morning.

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Speaker 1: So the continuation of this border showdown situation, both with

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Speaker 1: into all of that. Also, RFK Junior is sparking Trump

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Speaker 1: A lot going on with regard to Iran and with

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Speaker 1: We also have new details about that attack which killed

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Speaker 4: So a lot to get into this morning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right before we get to any of that, though,

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Speaker 2: As Crystal mentioned, we have the RFK Junior focus group

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Speaker 2: Breakingpoints dot Com. As I mentioned, let's go ahead and

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Speaker 2: start with that border story. We've been monitoring it over

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Speaker 2: the weekend, so Ryan and I were able to bring

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Speaker 3: This is actually a.

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Speaker 3: Here's what Senator James Langford from Oklahoma.

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Speaker 5: Had to say, Why give him this in an election year?

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Speaker 5: The cover of this deal that you critics say, it's

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, it's definitely not going to let a bunch

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Speaker 6: And now it's interesting a few months later, when we're

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Speaker 3: So what do you make of all this, Crystal, There's

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Speaker 2: If we missed you whenever you weren't here, it was

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Speaker 1: Just quickly, on the Supreme Court decision that you referenced

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Speaker 4: These people have been running.

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Speaker 4: So it shows you where their priorities actually are.

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Speaker 2: So it's not a problem of legislation. If you simply

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Speaker 2: So if I were to look at this purely from

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Speaker 2: Like I'm not going to hold hostage a to a

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Speaker 3: That you created.

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Speaker 2: Some of the details to here, Crystal are that this

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Speaker 2: would effectively, as I understand it, the full legislation has

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Speaker 2: border would close after five thousand migrants have passed per day. Now,

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Speaker 2: So the issue I think is a this still legalizes

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Speaker 1: But again, the five thousand thing, I just think it's

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Speaker 1: Then there's no more due process than even people who

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Speaker 1: to beat up the Democrats and beat up Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: And you're not actually serious, that's what you know. It

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Speaker 1: appears to me. And when they remain in Mexico policy,

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Speaker 1: I mean just because you made the point like Biden

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Speaker 1: wanted to get rid of it, the court said he couldn't.

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Speaker 4: It's still in place, So.

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Speaker 1: It's not like, you know, that's a major like, that's

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Speaker 1: a lot of the Trump era immigration policy has actually

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Speaker 1: remained in place. This would provide this president, and by

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Speaker 1: the way, if Trump gets elected him as well with

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Speaker 1: more power more like hardcore enforcement power at the border.

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Speaker 1: So if this is an important issue for you, if

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Speaker 1: you're an immigration hardliner, if you believe these measures are

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Speaker 1: actually going to do something, everybody that is on that

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Speaker 1: side should be supporting it. And the fact that they're

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Speaker 1: not shows you they'd rather play politics.

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Speaker 2: I think it's tough, Crystal. So I would put it

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Speaker 2: to you this way. This is important as to Republicans.

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Speaker 2: It is healthcare to people who support Bernie Sanders. So

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Speaker 2: it's like, well, this is basically this is not even Obamacare,

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Speaker 2: like in terms of what it would mean for healthcare.

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Speaker 2: If we're going to put it in the comparable thing, Now,

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Speaker 2: should you support it because it legally might get through maybe,

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Speaker 2: or like, are you going to keep fighting for basically

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Speaker 2: the best of what you can get? If you were

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Speaker 2: to able to take the House, the Senate, which you know,

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Speaker 2: it's very much within the realm of possibility that Republicans

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Speaker 2: control those and.

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Speaker 1: Then you're not going to get a filibuster proof majority

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Speaker 1: in the Senate.

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Speaker 4: That's what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but I would put it this way then, I mean,

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Speaker 2: does that mean you should stop fighting for you know,

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Speaker 2: Medicare for all or something like in comparison, but soccer.

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Speaker 1: If public option was on the table, even though it's

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Speaker 1: not my ideal solution, I would say.

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Speaker 4: Go for it.

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Speaker 1: If expanding so if expanding social Security was on the table,

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Speaker 1: which you know it was at one point during Build

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Speaker 1: Back Better, I wouldn't say no because I just want

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Speaker 1: to have this issue to run on in the next election.

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Speaker 1: I would say, no, this is going to help people,

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Speaker 1: This is important to me. We should embrace it and

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Speaker 1: live to fight another day and keep pushing for more

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Speaker 1: of what, you know, the direction that we think we

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Speaker 1: should go in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think just because the enforcement only is

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Speaker 2: on the migration and it doesn't deal with the illegal

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Speaker 2: immigration side here already, it does actually set up for

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Speaker 2: you know, some sort of future fight which definitely could

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Speaker 2: go against Republicans in terms of speaker Mike Johnson, let's

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Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 3: He threw cold water on this.

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Speaker 2: Has actually been basically saying this from the beginning, because

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Speaker 2: I've been talking to some of the people who are involved,

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Speaker 2: and they're like, look, the entire Senate deal is fake regardless,

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Speaker 2: because Johnson is already in huge trouble right now in

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Speaker 2: the Republican Caucus because of some of the spending deals

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Speaker 2: that he's cut. If he allowed some sort of a

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Speaker 2: silent and immigration bill to go through the Freedom Caucus

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Speaker 2: and a lot of the immigration hardliners who barely he

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Speaker 2: has two or three votes, you know, that are keeping

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Speaker 2: him from getting his ass thrown out. Just like Kevin McCarthy,

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Speaker 2: he would have the same issue. So he tweeted out quote.

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Speaker 2: President Biden falsely claimed yesterday he needs Congress to pass

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Speaker 2: a new law to allow him to close the southern border.

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Speaker 3: He knows that's untrue.

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Speaker 2: As I explained to him in the letter last year

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Speaker 2: and have specifically reiterated to him, he can take executive

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Speaker 2: action immediately to reverse the catastrophe he has created. That's

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Speaker 2: kind of what I was talking about in the previously

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Speaker 2: when I was trying to channel some of the else

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Speaker 2: Republican and some of the more hardline talking points that

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Speaker 2: I've seen who are out there. Anyway, I'm curious what

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Speaker 2: you think, Crystal, just in terms of how this will

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Speaker 2: move forward, because one thing is correct, even if you

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Speaker 2: can read, you know, this is getting a lot of

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Speaker 2: attention and all that immigration is the worst issue for

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden, and the longer this goes on, it is

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Speaker 2: worse for him. I mean, if anything, if I were

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Speaker 2: to say that Biden won the election in twenty if

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Speaker 2: we were sitting here in twenty twenty four after election day,

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Speaker 2: I'd be like, he won because of Roe, and he

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Speaker 2: won because, yeah, basically for Roe and Trump insanity. And

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Speaker 2: if I were to say that Trump won, I would

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Speaker 2: say he won because of Biden's age and immigration were

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Speaker 2: probably the top two things that would contribute to that.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is the worst issue. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: one of the worst issues for Joe Biden now. So

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Speaker 1: I think Israel has become a really bad issue for

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden for different reasons of his right, because of

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Speaker 1: his own base and how opposed they are to his approach.

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Speaker 4: So there's a lot going on.

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Speaker 1: But you know, there's a lot of analysis from roles

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Speaker 1: who basically are like, see how clever Joe Biden is.

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Speaker 1: You know, we offered this draconian bill, and now Republicans

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Speaker 1: are being exposed as not caring about the issue, which,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I think that is true, but

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Speaker 1: I don't really think that that message is going to

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Speaker 1: be successful. I don't know that people are following the

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Speaker 1: ins and outs to realize that Republicans have been exposed

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Speaker 1: as just wanting to shamelessly demagogue on this issue and

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Speaker 1: not actually interested in solving the problem. So I don't

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Speaker 1: really agree with that analysis. And there was also there

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Speaker 1: was a study that just came out. It focused on

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Speaker 1: European countries, but you know, as we've discussed before, a

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Speaker 1: lot of the politics globally and certainly in Europe is

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Speaker 1: like downstream and connected to what is going on here

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Speaker 1: as well. And he's not the first Biden is not

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Speaker 1: the first center left president to try to win electorally

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Speaker 1: by basically adopting hard right positions on immigration specifically. And

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Speaker 1: there was just a new political science study that came

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Speaker 1: out that was like, this doesn't work. It's not successful

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Speaker 1: because you are giving credence to the arguments being.

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Speaker 4: Made by the other side.

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Speaker 1: Why would voters take like the watered down version of

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Speaker 1: the argument versus you know, the real, genuine article in

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. No one's going to think Joe Biden is

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Speaker 1: harder on the border, harder on immigrants than Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: And you're going to alienate the people in your own

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Speaker 1: coalition who disagree with you on this issue, and you're

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Speaker 1: going to, you know, really undermine their enthusiasm for your candidacy.

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Speaker 1: So I definitely disagree with those who are out there

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Speaker 1: who think that this is like a brilliant political maneuver

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Speaker 1: by Joe Biden.

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Speaker 4: I don't think so at all.

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Speaker 1: I think it's very likely to backfire and you know,

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Speaker 1: not help him to win reelection.

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Speaker 4: I think that's all the way around.

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Speaker 3: I agree with that there's no way you can out

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Speaker 3: immigration Donald Trump. I mean, it's just not going to.

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Speaker 2: Happen, because even in five thousand, he's going to talk

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Speaker 2: about the issue all day.

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Speaker 3: It's not like the images are going to stop, right.

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Speaker 2: It's like, well, he could still say He's like, look,

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Speaker 2: I'll get it to zero. It's one of those where

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Speaker 2: even if he can't do it, you could say it

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Speaker 2: so rhetorically, I think that immigration voters in general. I

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Speaker 2: guess the only case for it would be to try

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Speaker 2: and get it out of the news. But I don't

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Speaker 2: see that happening either. Like we just said, it's going

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Speaker 2: to be an issue, whether people like it or not.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's a really interesting study. I need to

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Speaker 2: check that out. If I had to guess, it's like

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Speaker 2: you said, it's that if you're centrist, you're just never

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Speaker 2: going to be able to play kate voters who for

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Speaker 2: whom this is the number one issue, and this is

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Speaker 2: the number one issue for Republicans, Like I think it's

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Speaker 2: a you know, politically, just consider this. If you're an

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Speaker 2: immigration voter, you're almost one hundred percent, or immigration hardline voter,

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Speaker 2: you are almost one hundred percent voting in GOP primary,

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Speaker 2: Like you are almost one hundred percent going to vote

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Speaker 2: for the Republican candidate. Joe Biden is not going to

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Speaker 2: cross you over now in terms of people who are

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Speaker 2: upset about it and feel like it's chaotic and others.

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Speaker 2: I could maybe see the case, you know, for Biden,

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Speaker 2: but you know, the left coalition point is not as

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Speaker 2: an important one as well, because if you already got

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Speaker 2: problems here with Israel. Now you're going to have some

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Speaker 2: problems with the immigration groups and all this, and I'm

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Speaker 2: skeptical as to their actual political power like nationally, but

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Speaker 2: I definitely accept their political power intra coalitionally with the

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Speaker 2: Democratic Party. They could cause real issues for him if

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Speaker 2: something like this went through, and for a lot of

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Speaker 2: other Democratic candidates. So yeah, I think it's a bit

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Speaker 2: of a wash. I think you're right, and I do

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Speaker 2: think Trump will probably come out on top.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've had elections before where Republicans really tried

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Speaker 1: to make immigration the central issue. I think in twenty

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Speaker 1: sixteen it was one of the central issues and it

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Speaker 1: was obviously successful.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump got elected in twenty eighteen. There was a

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Speaker 4: big push to use this to.

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Speaker 1: Like migrant caravan, remember all that situation, and it wasn't

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Speaker 1: successful in Red states. I think that in the combination

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Speaker 1: of the migrant caravan thing and Kavanaugh sort of locked

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Speaker 1: in Republican voters and kept them from straying from the flock,

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Speaker 1: kept them energized, and perhaps blocked some upset elections in

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Speaker 1: in red states across the country, but with swing voters

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Speaker 1: it was not successful. And my guests will be would

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Speaker 1: be that you know, we've seen in the midterms this

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Speaker 1: last time around, like they were trying to make immigration thing.

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Speaker 1: They're certainly trying to make the economy thing a thing,

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Speaker 1: and other issues won the day. I think, like you said,

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Speaker 1: the people who are mostly voting on immigration are already Republicans.

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Speaker 4: I think they're already going to vote for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Joe Biden, no matter how much of

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Speaker 1: an immigration hardline liner he tries to make himself appear,

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Speaker 1: at this point, I don't think there's any way in

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Speaker 1: hell he's going to win any of those voters at

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Speaker 1: this point. So I would be I would be very

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Speaker 1: surprised if immigration ends up being the issue that wins

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Speaker 1: the day. And then the last thing I'll say about

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Speaker 1: it is, you know, there are some signs that not

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Speaker 1: only is the economy somewhat improving, but that voters are

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Speaker 1: starting to feel a little bit better about the economy,

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Speaker 1: and concerns about the economy and concerns about immigration go

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Speaker 1: hand and glove. You know, if you've got people who

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Speaker 1: feel very insecure about their own finances looking for an

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Speaker 1: outlet like that for what's going wrong for me, and

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Speaker 1: you know, it's classic people come in the politicians like

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Speaker 1: Trump are happy to come in and say it's their fault,

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Speaker 1: it's the immigrants fault. They're the ones who are ruining

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Speaker 1: your town, taking your job, et cetera, et cetera. People

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Speaker 1: are much more open to that message when they feel

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Speaker 1: very economically insecure. So that'll be the other piece that's

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Speaker 1: really important is how do people Do people continue to

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Speaker 1: marginally feel a bit better about the economy as we

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Speaker 1: move towards election day, or do they feel really insecure

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Speaker 1: and are more open to those messages.

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Speaker 4: So that's the other thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't think those two issues are not separate, I

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Speaker 1: guess is what I would say, how the economy is

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Speaker 1: doing and how people feel about immigration.

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Speaker 2: No question, there's no It's not an accident that major

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Speaker 2: immigration politics spike to the nineteen eighties, after the problems

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Speaker 2: of the nineteen seventies and after the two thousand.

659
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Speaker 3: And eight financial crisis. Absolutely correct.

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Speaker 2: The only X factor I would say is some of

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Speaker 2: these blue cities like New York, Chicago and others having

662
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Speaker 2: a lot of migrants get bussed up there.

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Speaker 3: That could maybe be the only way that I.

664
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Speaker 2: Could see some of the dynamics change, because that's relatively

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Speaker 2: new post twenty twenty two, at least at scale in

666
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Speaker 2: terms of stressing issues. But that doesn't mean New York

667
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Speaker 2: is going to go red. It could mean that it

668
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Speaker 2: could go, you know, less blue than before. Maybe it

669
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Speaker 2: actually might change the popular vote. But we'll see, and

670
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Speaker 2: I'm curious to see how it shakes out. So RFK

671
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Speaker 2: Junior giving an interview recently where he confirmed some rumors

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Speaker 2: that the Trump camp had actually reached out to him

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Speaker 2: to serve as vice president.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

675
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Speaker 4: He asked you that today, what would your response be.

676
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Speaker 8: I would not take that job. I'm flattered that President

677
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Speaker 8: Trump would offer to me, but it's not something that

678
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Speaker 8: I'm interested in him.

679
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Speaker 4: Did he reach out for his tea?

680
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Speaker 8: People from the team have reached out to me.

681
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Speaker 3: People from the team have reached out to me.

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Speaker 2: We are definitely going to ask, by the way, our

683
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Speaker 2: RFK Junior focus group about this, whether this is something

684
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Speaker 2: they want. By the way, you could support us there

685
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Speaker 2: if you can, for our previeum member.

686
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Speaker 3: But what did you make of this, Crystal?

687
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Speaker 2: What did you make because I mean there is some

688
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: high level jiu jitsu going on here.

689
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Speaker 3: If it's true, I don't think it'd be the worst

690
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Speaker 3: move in the world.

691
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Speaker 4: Well, okay, so a few things.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I can't help but notice when whenever

693
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Speaker 1: a politician gets to ask one of these questions, like

694
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Speaker 1: he didn't say a hard no, right, there was a

695
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Speaker 1: little bit of wiggle room left in there. He said,

696
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not interested in it.

697
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Speaker 4: Well that's different.

698
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Speaker 1: Maybe you'll get interested in it. Maybe they'll make you

699
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Speaker 1: interested in it.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's not like, no, absolutely not, I'm running

701
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Speaker 4: for president.

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Speaker 1: I would never do that. I think Donald Trump is atrocious.

703
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Speaker 1: In fact, he says he's honored to be considered for

704
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Speaker 1: the job, which you know, a real like absolutely no.

705
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Speaker 1: I can't stand Trump and he needs to never be

706
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Speaker 1: president again. Like no one would in that camp would

707
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Speaker 1: be like, oh, I'm honored to be considered for vice

708
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Speaker 1: president to Donald Trump. So I noted that. To me,

709
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: that means the door's kind of open. He says this

710
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: thing about people on his team breached out, and the

711
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: Trump people denied that this is the case. But you know,

712
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Speaker 1: who's on your team can be very loosely defined. It

713
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Speaker 1: could have been someone who's sort of like vaguely affiliated,

714
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Speaker 1: you know, affiliated with him. But not directly on the

715
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Speaker 1: payroll something like that. So I don't know what to

716
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Speaker 1: make of it from the Trump perspective. I don't actually

717
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Speaker 1: think it makes a lot of sense from the Trump

718
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Speaker 1: perspective personally, because what does r of K Junior At

719
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Speaker 1: this point and we'll talk about this in a moment.

720
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Speaker 1: He's only been able to get on one ballot. The

721
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: polls that have been coming out don't show that he

722
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Speaker 1: is taking more from Trump than Biden. It seems to

723
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Speaker 1: be relatively split fifty to fifty. Many of the polls

724
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Speaker 1: that include RFK Junior actually seem to.

725
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Speaker 4: Show Trump doing a little bit better.

726
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: And that scenario with him on the ballot, So it's

727
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Speaker 1: not just not clear to me politically what Trump gets

728
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 1: out of it. And he also has seemed to signal

729
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: he really wants to have a woman as vice president,

730
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Speaker 1: and you know, I think seems to be looking in

731
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Speaker 1: that direction. So to me, it doesn't really totally add up.

732
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Speaker 3: It depends.

733
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Speaker 2: It's one of those where let's say he does go

734
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Speaker 2: for let's say he does get on all the bout,

735
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Speaker 2: it's gonna be very difficult. He's only gotten on one

736
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Speaker 2: so far. He told us to get on all fifty

737
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Speaker 2: we'll see I remain it's going to be a very

738
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Speaker 2: very difficult uphill climb, and he's going to have to

739
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Speaker 2: seriously hit in terms of his volunteers. It's going to

740
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Speaker 2: cost a lot of money together out there. If we

741
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Speaker 2: don't see that in the next couple of months, will

742
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Speaker 2: relatively know whether it's going to happen. The second thing

743
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Speaker 2: that he floated was going on the libertarian ticket. Let's

744
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Speaker 2: actually take a listen to that because that would inform

745
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Speaker 2: some of the calculus for Trump.

746
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 3: Let's see what he had to say in a recent

747
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Speaker 3: SCNN interview.

748
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Speaker 9: Is it possible that you will seek, as you are

749
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Speaker 9: running as an independent, you will seek still to be

750
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Speaker 9: the Libertarian candidate, which would assure you getting on all

751
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Speaker 9: fifty state ballots.

752
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Speaker 8: Is that's something that we're looking at. We have a

753
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Speaker 8: really good relationship with Libertarian Party. I'm going to be

754
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Speaker 8: speaking at the California the Libertarian Party convention. I think

755
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 8: it's next week or maybe a couple of weeks. And

756
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Speaker 8: then we're talking about me talking speaking in New York.

757
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Speaker 8: But you know, so that is and then we have

758
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Speaker 8: our own political party now in the six states, which

759
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Speaker 8: have rules that make that give us an advantage to

760
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Speaker 8: have our own political party.

761
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Speaker 4: We're not going to ask you.

762
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Speaker 3: I ask you the question. I ask you the question.

763
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, we are talking to the Libertarian Party, and

764
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Speaker 8: I feel very comfortable with most of the values the

765
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Speaker 8: Libertarian Party, and you know, we, like I say, we

766
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 8: have good relationships. I'm talking regularly to libertarian groups, so

767
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 8: we'll continue to do those talks. I can't give you

768
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Speaker 8: a headline news story today, Mike Climbs, Sorry, ask about

769
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 8: something different, Okay.

770
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Speaker 2: I actually think this would be the best strategy for him.

771
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Speaker 2: I just saw that the Libertarian Party is on the

772
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Speaker 2: ballot in all of these states, especially the major and

773
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Speaker 2: competitor one is they've done the ballot access work, etc.

774
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 3: It would generally make sense.

775
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: And because we've seen previously between two to three percent

776
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Speaker 2: of the vote go libertarian, especially when Trump is on

777
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: the ballot, like Joe Jorgenson previously in the twenty twenty

778
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: election twenty sixteen that actually did pretty well as well.

779
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Speaker 2: Imagine if the Kennedy name was there. If so, if

780
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: I were Trump. Historically, many these libertarian voters are people

781
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: who have crossed over from the Republican ballot and or

782
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 2: would have voted for Trump, especially if he got libertarian,

783
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: I would want him on my ticket because it'd be

784
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: one of those where that is a chaos factor. If

785
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Speaker 2: he remains independent and he's not on the states that

786
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: really matter in terms of ballot then you're right. But

787
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 2: it's one of those calculus which he doesn't have to

788
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: make this decision crystal until the convention in June and July,

789
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 2: so he's got several months to kind of marinate, and

790
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: by that time we're gonna know what the ballot, access

791
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 2: and all of that looks like. So you know, in

792
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Speaker 2: terms of that, even though he splits equally, it's just

793
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Speaker 2: enough of a chaos factor. And considering how Iiden can't

794
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 2: get Kennedy on his ticket but Trump plausibly could, then yeah,

795
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: I could see it happening. But there are a lot

796
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Speaker 2: of other reasons, Like you said, here's the truth, Like

797
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: RFK Junior has many liberal positions. I don't mean in

798
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Speaker 2: a denigrating way, but it could be problem for the

799
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Speaker 2: Republican coalition. I think it'd probably be fine just because

800
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: as a valance wise and like for some of the

801
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Speaker 2: voters and others he might be able to bring in.

802
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: It would probably net net out. The GOP establishment would

803
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: definitely have a problem with that. I don't know if

804
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 2: Trump even particularly cares. So, yeah, there's some interesting analysis here.

805
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

806
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: There is no way that Trump picks a VP candidate

807
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: that he is not one thousand percent sure is going

808
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: to be absolutely loyal to him in.

809
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 4: Every cipical circumstance.

810
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: Right because even though Mike Pence, you know, licked his

811
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: boots for ninety nine point nine percent of the four

812
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Speaker 1: year term. When it came down to it and he

813
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: was like, how about you subvert the constitution and rig

814
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: the election for me, Mike Pence was like, no, I'm.

815
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 4: Not going to do that.

816
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 1: Trump is not going to risk having someone with even

817
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: a tiny sliver of a shred of backbone and independent

818
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: thought and listen, maybe rf K Junior would just go

819
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: along to get along with whatever he wanted him to do.

820
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Speaker 1: That's possible. I have no idea, but Trump doesn't know

821
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: that doesn't know either. There's no demonstrated record of, you know,

822
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: absolute fealty. There's no demonstrated record of like defending the

823
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: most insane and outrageous things that Trump has ever done,

824
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: and so there is no doubt in my mind that

825
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: whoever Donald Trump chooses is going to be someone who

826
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Speaker 1: has a consistent record of absolutely slavish devotion to Donald J.

827
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Speaker 4: Trump.

828
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Speaker 1: On the libertarian piece, this is starting to get some

829
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Speaker 1: Cornell West vibes. And I say that with respect to

830
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Speaker 1: Cornell West, who as an intellectual I obviously and you know,

831
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Speaker 1: a thinker, an activist I have a deep respect for.

832
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: But in terms of the way that he's run his campaign,

833
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, rf K Junior, now he started in the

834
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Speaker 1: Democratic primary, then he jumps out and he's an independent.

835
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Speaker 1: Now in some states he's formed his own party now

836
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Speaker 1: with a libertarian ticket. And it's like, this is getting

837
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: really messy. And the other thing is I don't know

838
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: the backstory of why Cornell West, you know, dropped from

839
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Speaker 1: being a Green Party candidate. But Green Party, Libertarian Party,

840
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: these aren't just names on a ballot or like theoretical

841
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: you know ideas. These are actual parties with actual structures

842
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: and their own actual internal politics. And there will certainly

843
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: be people and we've seen you know, some of this

844
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Speaker 1: commentary online who are libertarians who have been activists within

845
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Speaker 1: the Libertarian party who are like, who is this guy?

846
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Speaker 4: He's not a libertarian.

847
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Speaker 9: You know.

848
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Speaker 1: Here's ten positions that he has taken, including his you know,

849
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Speaker 1: devotion to Israel, unconditional support for Israel. Many of them

850
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: have issue with that do not fit with the Libertarian

851
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Speaker 1: Party with my values, and no, even though maybe he

852
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: could get a higher percentage electorally, like, what does that

853
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Speaker 1: matter if we don't have a candidate who actually reflects

854
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Speaker 1: Libertarian Party values consistently down the line. I think that's

855
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: an issue for him as well as you can't just

856
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Speaker 1: like be like, guess what, guys, I'm gonna be the

857
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Speaker 1: Libertarian Party nominee.

858
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Speaker 4: They have their own process and their own politics as well.

859
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Speaker 3: I was really interested to see Dave Smith.

860
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Speaker 2: He's probably the most prominent libertarian that I know of

861
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Speaker 2: who hosts the podcast frequently a guest on Rogan, he says,

862
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Speaker 2: I've admired many aspects of the RFK Junior campaign. His

863
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: opposition to COVID, tyranny, vax mandates, the Ukraine War, and

864
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: the deep State has been nothing short of heroic. However,

865
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Speaker 2: his support for the war in Gaza is disqualifying. We

866
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Speaker 2: are the anti war, non interventionist party and that is

867
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Speaker 2: non negotiable period. He will not be our nominee. I

868
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Speaker 2: will do everything in my power to see to that.

869
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Speaker 2: Somebody like Scott Horton also comes to mind, who we've

870
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Speaker 2: had here on the show, very prominent anti war libertarian,

871
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Speaker 2: and I will say that is one area where RFK

872
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 2: Junior would have trouble with libertarians on Israel specifically because

873
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 2: so much, especially of the modern electoral libertarian movement, can

874
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Speaker 2: be traced back to the Ron Paul two thousand and

875
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Speaker 2: eight twenty twelve campaigns, which were so foundational in the

876
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: Iraq War and an opposition to the global war on terror.

877
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: So if we consider it that way, especially if we

878
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: get embroiled in a bigger Middle East conflict, it would

879
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 2: be incredibly difficult to have.

880
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: You know, let's be real, it's not a large.

881
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: Group of people of people who vote libertarian, and within

882
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: that there's a critical mass who being anti war is

883
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: like the most important thing to them, almost in many

884
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: cases more important to them than any of the economic policies,

885
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 2: by the way, which I respect and I have that's

886
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: a lot of friends I have on the libertarian anti

887
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 2: war kind of side, is because I think that they

888
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: see this so critically for the future of the US

889
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: and just how much it ruined America in the post

890
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 2: Iraq War, post two.

891
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 3: Thousand and one period.

892
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: So, now that I consider it that way, and especially

893
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 2: some of Dave's commentary on that, it really could be

894
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 2: a problem for him if he did.

895
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 3: Try to get that way.

896
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so.

897
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: And you know, I am really interested to see some

898
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: of the thoughts of the focus group that we have

899
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: been in paneled for. What is it like a week

900
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: from now, We're gonna be lead talking to them. We'll

901
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: get their thoughts on all of this, you know, potential

902
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: Libertarian Party, potential Trump VP, et cetera. But you know,

903
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: the difficulties in getting ballot access.

904
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 4: It's not rfk's fault.

905
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: This was intentionally, especially post Ross Perrot, both of the parties,

906
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: whatever states they controlled, they decided to make this basically

907
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: impossible to accomplish. And it's outrageous. It's an offense to democracy.

908
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:32,959
Speaker 1: It shouldn't be that way.

909
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 3: You know.

910
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm not an RFK junior supporter, but he should be

911
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: on the ballot in all fifty states of the series campaign.

912
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: He's raised serious money. I mean, as a real operation,

913
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: it should be possible for him to get on the ballot.

914
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: In all fifty states, so that voters, if they want

915
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: to avail themselves of that choice, have that option available

916
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: to them. But because of the you know, dominance of

917
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: the two party system, the way they basically collaborated to

918
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: shut out any and all other voices, it's going to

919
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: be very difficult for him.

920
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 4: And I doubt I don't know.

921
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: I'm not privy to like internal Libertarian party discussions, and

922
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: I don't know any activists in the Libertarian Party, etc. Really,

923
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: but I sort of doubt that that's going to be

924
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: a real solution for him in the end.

925
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 4: Either.

926
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be very much but yeah, and as

927
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 2: you said, I completely agree with you in terms of

928
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 2: ballot access and all that. By the way, if anybody

929
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 2: in the state of the Virginia wants to contact me,

930
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 2: I will sign it in order to get him on

931
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: the ballot. But it's a very very difficult climb upwards

932
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 2: in order to try and make that happen.

933
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 3: Let's move on to Trump.

934
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 2: This is a big, big story, not just for reasons

935
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: that the media wants you to care about, but for

936
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: Trump personally and how we can inform some of the

937
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: stakes that will inform his needing to win the presidency

938
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four.

939
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Speaker 3: Let's go and put this up there on the screen.

940
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: You guys might have been following the second of case

941
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: involving the defamation or allegedly, I guess now proven of

942
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 2: eging Carol, eging Carol, if we'll all remember, had accused

943
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: Trump of sexuals assault in a previous defamation case in

944
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: which she alleged that he had defamed her in her

945
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: comments whenever he denied it. The jury did not find

946
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: necessarily that the quote unquote sexual assault, arny that had happened,

947
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 2: but they did find that defamation had occurred.

948
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 3: I'm just phrasing it. Well, let don't.

949
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 4: Correct you on that soccer.

950
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: They actually did find that sexual assault, not rape occurred. Okay,

951
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: that was there were three options available to them, and

952
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 1: this was a civil trial, so the standard is different.

953
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: It's a preponderance of evidence, are more likely than not.

954
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: There were three options that he raped her, that he

955
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: sexually assaulted her, or that there was inappropriate touching, and

956
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: they decided yanimously that there was sexual assault.

957
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: Thank you for correcting me, because that has been incredibly confusing.

958
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: Major Trump defense has been. The jury did not find

959
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: the actual allegation. And then when I had read in

960
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: terms of the sexual assault and or harassment, what the

961
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: jury had found, it didn't make any sense because of

962
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: the connection there, as you said, to the actual defamations,

963
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: Like you can't necessarily find somebody guilty of defamation if

964
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: you didn't find that the underlying claim had any merit whatsoever. Anyway,

965
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 2: as we pointed out, it happened in the first case,

966
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 2: Trump immediately came out and allegedly, according to Ejen Carroll,

967
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: to famed her. So she immediately then filed another defamation

968
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: case against Trump. This one the jury award, now, as

969
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: we showed everybody, is some eighty three million dollars, which

970
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 2: is an extraordinary sum of damages to be awarded to

971
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 2: Egene Carroll in this trial. Now, the reason that matters

972
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: is because it challenges Trump's own personal financial decisions and

973
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 2: some of the legal problems that he's found himself in.

974
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: When we connected to the fraud trial that previously happened

975
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: in the state of New York, which accused him of

976
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: artificially inflating the asset values of his properties.

977
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 3: Let's go ahe and put this up there on the screen.

978
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: They show here from the New York Times quote is

979
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: that the jury's decision to award eighty three million to

980
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Speaker 2: Ejene Carroll has come at a very opportune time for

981
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: the former president. Mister Trump and his family business are

982
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: currently bracing for the judge in that case to impose

983
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 2: a punishment in the coming weeks that could also reach

984
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of dollars. As we relate back to

985
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: that New York case. The enterprise that they say here

986
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: is that Trump isn't going to be taken down by

987
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: a bunch of criminal cases, but the enterprise that is

988
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 2: Trump is going to be picked apart by these civil cases,

989
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: and at some point there is a risk of collapse,

990
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: collapse being connected to his own personal financial situation, and

991
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: that actually does seem to be a genuinely existential threat

992
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 2: crystal in a way that some of these legal charges

993
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: and others are not in that the other legal fees

994
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 2: and other problems that Trump has, and all these criminal

995
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 2: cases and all that these are ones where he could

996
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: fundraise off of and of which people can pay his bills,

997
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: supporters and others. This is a well established, kind of

998
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: established way whenever political opponents and political supporters and another

999
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 2: that are under or under trial or have to pay

1000
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 2: legal expenses. The RNC and others can chip in, but

1001
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: this is one that genuinely impacts his own personal fortune

1002
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: and he can't get the same level of bailout that

1003
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: he would need necessarily. And then even if did, just

1004
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: imagine a scenario where he'd have to raise hundreds of

1005
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: millions of dollars to pay off personal defamation lawsuits and

1006
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: business problems, which kind of undercuts so much of the

1007
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: foundational case for why he was the person in the

1008
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 2: first place to host The Apprentice and build the image

1009
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 2: in the brand that he did that eventually carried him

1010
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: into the presidency.

1011
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1012
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, can Trump before a eighty three.

1013
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: Million dollar suit without I'm sure it hurts, But is

1014
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: it you gonna make or break him?

1015
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 4: I don't think so.

1016
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 1: When you add another potentially three hundred million dollars, which

1017
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: is what they're asking for in the civil fraud case

1018
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: with regard to his business, I mean probably he can

1019
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: still stomach that, but it's real money, even for a

1020
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: billionaire like Donald Trump. And he said before he has,

1021
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: you know, over four hundred million dollars cash on hand,

1022
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: which is you know, sufficient to cover those expenses, but

1023
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 1: just barely.

1024
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 4: I'm not one of.

1025
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: These, you know people who think, oh, Donald Trump really

1026
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: isn't actually rich, it's like all a scam and a

1027
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 1: fraud and a house of cars or whatever. He has

1028
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: plenty of property, has plenty of assets. He is genuinely

1029
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: a very very wealthy person and very likely a legitimate billionaire.

1030
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: But we are talking about sums of money at this

1031
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: point that are extremely consequential for him. I don't think

1032
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: there's any doubt about that, you know, with regard to

1033
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: Egen Carroll and this particular you know, finding of defamation

1034
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: coming on top of the finding that he did again,

1035
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 1: this is a civil trial, so the evidence is different.

1036
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: He's not going to prison for this, but in the

1037
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: civil trial finding that he did sexually assault Egen Carroll,

1038
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 1: those you know decades ago.

1039
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 4: You just have to there's two pieces.

1040
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: Number One, it's one of the first times that Donald

1041
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: Trump has ever been found like things have ever gone

1042
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: against him in terms of accountability. We're so used to

1043
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: him operating in a political sphere where there are just

1044
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: no consequences for the many things that he does that

1045
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 1: are like totally outside of what any other politician could

1046
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: get away with.

1047
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 4: So it's always a lesson.

1048
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: For me to remember as we watch these criminal cases

1049
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: unfold and develop, that the results for him in the

1050
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 1: courtroom have been very different than the results for him

1051
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: in the political sphere. So that's number one. Number two,

1052
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: it kind of cuts in the other direction. If any

1053
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: other candidate, if this was Joe Biden and a jury

1054
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: found unanimously that he had sexually assaulted Tara Reid or

1055
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: some other female accuser, whenever, this would be one of

1056
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: the biggest stories in the country. I mean, it would

1057
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: be incredibly consequential. And yet because it's Donald Trump, it's

1058
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 1: like kind of a blip. I mean not to say

1059
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: he doesn't get any coverage, but it's certainly not the

1060
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: number one story in the country.

1061
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:02,959
Speaker 4: It's not the number one.

1062
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: Political story in the country. And that is kind of remarkable.

1063
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely agree, Crystal.

1064
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 2: And the thing is it both highlights the problems for

1065
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 2: Trump in the courtroom and also his political ability to

1066
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: survive something that anybody else would never get away with,

1067
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: Like you said, with Biden, I mean, even if we

1068
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: consider just some of the previous things that happened with

1069
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: Biden or in terms of media treatment and ane of that,

1070
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 2: But if we had an actual case that went through

1071
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 2: it just would it would be completely different in the

1072
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 2: way we think about it. I was fascinated to see this,

1073
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: which MAGA folks have been attacking Nikki Haley on Haley

1074
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 2: appears to be trying to make a bid for these

1075
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 2: voters in the Republican Party who don't like Trump and

1076
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 2: who are very concerned kind of by a behavior, kind

1077
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 2: of more normy politics, by supporting actually the Egen Carol verdict.

1078
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:52,959
Speaker 3: Here's what she had to say.

1079
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 11: I absolutely trust the jury and I think that they

1080
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 11: made their decision based on the evidence. It cracks that

1081
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 11: people trying to over analyze. I just tell the truth

1082
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 11: as I see it. I think there have been politics

1083
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 11: played with prosecutors that have brought on some of these cases.

1084
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 11: I think there's been politics played even with the judges.

1085
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 11: But I do think American juries still get it right.

1086
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 11: They listen to the evidence, they make the decision based

1087
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 11: on the evidence, and I do still trust any American

1088
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 11: that sits on a jury. I trust that they're making

1089
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 11: the right decision. But this goes to a bigger thing, John,

1090
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 11: We've got a whole other year of this, So what

1091
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 11: we watched was Donald Trump throw a temper tantrum the

1092
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 11: night of the New Hampshire primary because forty three percent

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Speaker 11: of Republicans didn't vote for him. Then I see him

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Speaker 11: throw a temper tantrum in this courtroom. The reality is

1095
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 11: are we going to have a country in disarray and

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Speaker 11: a world on fire and deal with more temper tantrums?

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Speaker 2: So I was fascinated by those Commons Crystal, because that's

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00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: a great pitch for the general election. But when you're

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Speaker 2: running in a primary where people see Trump as the

1100
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Speaker 2: messiah who has not come since Reagan, what are you doing?

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00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 2: They don't believe. They think that the media is rigged.

1102
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Speaker 2: They think that the court system and all that is rigged.

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00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 2: They don't know any of the details about eging.

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Speaker 3: Carroll and all that.

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Speaker 2: They're like, they're out to get him, they're trying to

1106
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Speaker 2: bankrupt him. He's fighting for us and all that. So

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Speaker 2: I just don't get her strategy. It's one of this,

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Speaker 2: like which primary running in Lady.

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Speaker 1: Well, to me, it's an indication that she's basically accepted

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Speaker 1: she's not going to be.

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00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,959
Speaker 4: The Republican nomination, and so she's pitching.

1112
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Speaker 1: For whatever her other future career prospects may be because

1113
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: earlier in the primary, she was much more careful about

1114
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: how she presed her criticism of Donald Trump and you know,

1115
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 1: keeping the kid gloves on and never going too far,

1116
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: and you know, being very sort of like vague in

1117
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: her concerns and complaints about him. So not just with this,

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00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: but we've seen other indications that she's now going sort

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Speaker 1: of like all in Chris Christy never Trump anti Trump lane.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't have a path to the Republican nomination barring Trump,

1121
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: like dying or being thrown in prison. So I think

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00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: this is more about her positioning herself for I don't know, media,

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00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: career board position, whatever she thinks maybe the next step

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Speaker 1: for her personally.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just one of those where this was

1127
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: also like a major red line, you know for a

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Speaker 2: lot of Trump Maga folks. I saw Jason Miller works

1129
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: with the Trump campaign being like, this is it. She

1130
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 2: will have no place.

1131
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 3: Who knows.

1132
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 2: It could all be talk, she could be a VP,

1133
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 2: but I personally I doubt it. If you're going to

1134
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 2: be talking this way.

1135
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: Going what were the T shirts she was selling his

1136
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: T shirts? Like Trump said, what they were banned from

1137
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: the Maga movement or something like that, and then she

1138
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: was selling t shirts that said banned. It just feels

1139
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: like I may be wrong about the language, but is

1140
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Speaker 1: that what it was banned?

1141
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Speaker 2: I would here permanently barred Nikki Haley for permanently barre

1142
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Speaker 2: best woman win.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, permanently permanently barred because Trump said they would permanently

1144
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: barred anyone who supported her from the Maga movement, and

1145
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: so she leaned into it. I mean again, like in

1146
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: an earlier phase, she wouldn't have done that when she

1147
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: actually thought it was an active possibility that she might

1148
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Speaker 1: be the Republican nominee. Now I think it's just sort

1149
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: of like a yolo moment, and let me position myself

1150
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: for whatever other career I'm looking forward to. That's not

1151
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: going to be president, and it's not going to be

1152
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: a Republican presidential Dominie.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hear Boeing still needs some help, Nikki, so

1154
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 2: because he's had such a good velo last time. Just

1155
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: to highlight what you said as well, let's put the

1156
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 2: Bloomberg tear sheet, guys, please up on the screen. Is

1157
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: that they say that the cash stock pile that they

1158
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: currently have is some four hundred and fifty million. Genuinely

1159
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 2: is at risk here if both of these verdicts go

1160
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: against Trump from the eighty three million to the initial

1161
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 2: three or four hundred million. And that's one of those

1162
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: two where you know you highlight it correctly, where look,

1163
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Speaker 2: four hundred million dollars hurts. No matter how much of

1164
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 2: a billionaire billionaire you are, period, he could be worth

1165
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: ten billion, that's still a substantial chunk of your net worth.

1166
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: It also kind of misunderstands financially billionaires. I mean, most

1167
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 2: of these people do not have a lot of cash

1168
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: on hand. In fact, that's usually not very tax efficient

1169
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 2: for them. They try to keep it as tied up

1170
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 2: in tax advantage assets like real estate, stock and others,

1171
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 2: and have very little cash on hand. Then they borrow

1172
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Speaker 2: against those ass So even if it did force him,

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00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 2: like you were saying, to liquidate a portion of his portfolio,

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00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 2: that's still very difficult.

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Speaker 3: That's not all that easy. You got to sell it, you.

1176
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 2: Got to find a buyer, you gotta have you know,

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00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: equity guys and all that come in and all this.

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Speaker 2: So this could significantly complicate his life no matter what if.

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Speaker 1: This happens, absolutely, And there's another layer with this civil

1180
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: fraud trial, which what I read said they're expecting a

1181
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: verdict as soon as this week in terms of you know,

1182
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: he's already been found that he committed fraud. Now it's

1183
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: a question of how much money he's going to have

1184
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: to pay. So he's not going to get off scott

1185
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: free with this one. There's going to be some kind

1186
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: of penalty, and along with that judgment, it is possible

1187
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: that he'll be forced to liquidate his assets in New York,

1188
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: which are really central to his brand, you know, you

1189
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: think about like Trump Tower, and some of his most

1190
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: iconic properties are in the state of New York. And

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00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: the other thing, Soccer, I'm sure you have noticed with

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00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: super rich people too, is that even when they have

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00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: like millions and millions of dollars in the bank and

1194
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 1: tons of property and assets and stockholdings and whatever, they

1195
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: can still feel poor somehow, even, you know, and they

1196
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: take a hit to their bottom line or their cash

1197
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: d windows or whatever. So I think these judgments, I

1198
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 1: think they bite, you know, I don't think that they're nothing.

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Speaker 1: He clearly in the courtroom with Egen Carroll was very agitated,

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Speaker 1: very unhappy, very upset. Couldn't sort of like keep that

1201
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: to himself. It was incredibly clear. And so we'll see

1202
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: what happens with this civil fraud judgment. But you know,

1203
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: for me, the bottom line with all of these things,

1204
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: as I said before, is that the outcomes for Trump

1205
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: in the courtroom very different from the outcomes for Trump politically.

1206
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: His normal tactics and tricks and maneuvers and whatever aren't

1207
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: working with these judges aren't working with these juries. And

1208
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: for all of the sense, this man is invincible and

1209
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: teflon don and every ball, every bounces, always bounces his way.

1210
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: That has not been the case in the you know,

1211
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: in the sport setting thus far.

1212
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 4: So we'll see what happens from here.

1213
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 3: Yep, good flag. All right, let's get to it. Ron.

1214
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: We're getting new details this morning about that deadly attack

1215
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: that killed three US service members in Jordan on the

1216
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,280
Speaker 1: border there with Syria, including who those service members were.

1217
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 4: This is unbelievably tragic. Put this up on the screen.

1218
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: Three young black soldiers, all based out of the state

1219
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: of Georgia, are now dead because of those attacks.

1220
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 4: We read you a little bit about them.

1221
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: Three American soldiers killed in a drone attack at a

1222
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 1: US base in Jordan this weekend were Army reservists from

1223
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: a Georgia based engineer unit. William Rivers, Kennedy Leyden Sanders,

1224
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: and Brianna Alexandria Moffett were killed in that January twenty

1225
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: eighth attack when an unmanned aerial system crashed into the

1226
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: container units they were using for housing on the base.

1227
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Speaker 1: At least now these numbers have gone up. At least

1228
00:56:55,000 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: forty additional US troops were injured that according to Pentagon officials.

1229
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: This comes, of course, on top of the two Navy

1230
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: Seals who were dead after attempting to intercept weapons that

1231
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: Iran was allegedly.

1232
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 4: Sending to Yemen, the.

1233
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: Service members who were done in a training exercise, and

1234
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: quite a number of US service members who have suffered

1235
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: also traumatic brain injuries and other injuries in additional of

1236
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: these similar style attacks.

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00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 4: And as we covered.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday, Sager, we've had something like more than one hundred

1239
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: and sixty of these attacks on our service members in

1240
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: the region. And one of the big questions that we

1241
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: immediately had yesterday was how the hell did this happen?

1242
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 4: How did our air.

1243
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: Defenses fail to the point where this suicide drone attack

1244
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: was able to succeed. We're now getting some answers, at least,

1245
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: this is the official answer coming from the US government,

1246
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: as told by the Wall Street Journal. We can put

1247
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: this up on the screen. They say the US failed

1248
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: to stop a deadly attack on an American military outpost

1249
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: Jordan when the enemy drone approached its target at the

1250
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: same time that a US drone was also returning to

1251
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: the base. This, again, according to US officials, the return

1252
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: of that US drone led to some confusion over whether

1253
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: the incoming drone was friend or foe. Officials have concluded

1254
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: so far, though they cautioned the inquiry into the attack

1255
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: was in an early stage. So what do you make

1256
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: of these revelations and the details that they are providing

1257
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: US so far?

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00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 2: Soccer, Well, there are a couple of terrifying options. Number

1259
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 2: one is that it's not true and they're hiding the

1260
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 2: truth from US. I would not dismiss that possibility. There's

1261
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 2: been a lot of discussion Crystal about whether this really

1262
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 2: did occur in Jordan or not, because they could have

1263
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 2: complicated had legal complication problems if this did occur in.

1264
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Speaker 3: Syria and others.

1265
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 2: But I'll put that to the side, and let's just

1266
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 2: at least, you know, let's try and take the Pentagon

1267
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 2: at their word. If we take them at their word,

1268
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 2: then our billion dollar weapons systems are you know, air

1269
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 2: defense systems that we spend hundreds of millions of dollars

1270
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 2: that allegedly are keeping safe all of our thousands, tens

1271
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 2: of thousands of American service members who are currently in

1272
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 2: the Middle East, if they are able to fail because

1273
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 2: a US drone is in proximity, and that's all it

1274
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 2: takes to allow an Iranian drone in there, and that

1275
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: could kill three American service members while they are sleeping,

1276
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: on top of wounding some thirty four others, with eight

1277
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 2: in critical condition. That's pretty terrifying. That's actually was my

1278
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 2: immediate kind of response to this, is that we are

1279
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 2: not nearly as prepared for twenty first century conflict as

1280
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 2: the Pentagon and the media and everybody wants you to

1281
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 2: thinkne The drone warfare, specifically the asymmetric warfare that we've

1282
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: seen pioneered by the Ukrainians and the Russians in the

1283
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 2: Ukrainian War of the last two years, has accelerated this

1284
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 2: to the point where you have groups like the Huthis

1285
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 2: that can cause multi billion dollars worth of damage and

1286
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 2: shut down the Red Sea if they want to with

1287
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: very little sophisticated technology. You can have the greatest navy

1288
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 2: on Earth, which we do, with the greatest weapon systems

1289
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: and all that, and you can't stop same here with

1290
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 2: US Suicide drone is that sometimes, or even suicide drone

1291
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 2: and all that, it just means one way drone, Just

1292
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 2: so everybody's clear. Some people don't like the terminology, but

1293
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 2: whatever we want to call it, it doesn't cost that

1294
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: much money. We're talking in the thousands of dollars, and

1295
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 2: we have hundreds of millions of dollars of equipment that

1296
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 2: have been bamboozled and that failed on this occasion, and

1297
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 2: now you have the lives of our people at risk.

1298
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 2: I'm honestly terrified of what this means for what a

1299
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 2: future US conflict is going to look like where our

1300
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 2: service members are there, because the signs are everywhere from

1301
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 2: the Hoho Thies to this. But don't forget either, those

1302
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 2: Patriot missiles that missed, those ballistic missiles that were launched

1303
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 2: from inside of a rock that landed on top of

1304
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 2: a US base. That was actually the biggest flag to me,

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Speaker 2: because that is supposed to be the most conventional type

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01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 2: military technology we've been preparing for.

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Speaker 3: And if that's able.

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Speaker 2: To penetrate a US air defense system, I mean, come on,

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01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 2: they always tell us like, don't worry North Korean missiles

1310
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 2: never going to make it here. You watch all this

1311
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 2: going on, I don't believe you. I don't believe it

1312
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Speaker 2: at all, especially because none of it's been really battle

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Speaker 2: tested yet.

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Speaker 1: And there's some real parallels with the sense of complacency

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Speaker 1: that Israel had before October seventh as well. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they had really relied on this super high tech you know,

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01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: multimillion dollar fence surveillance. We've got the automatic machine guns

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01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: pointed in at the Gaza Strip. And the very first

1319
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: thing that reportedly Hamas militants did is they used effectively,

1320
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:28,959
Speaker 1: like cheap off the shelf drones to disable all that tech.

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01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: It didn't take that much and leave them completely exposed

1322
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: and allow the horizon atrocities that occurred on October seventh

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Speaker 1: to occur. So I think that's a very important, you know,

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01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: part of this story and has a lot of implications

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01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: for current warfare and the future of warfare and the

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01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: pain that a ragtag gorilla group can inflict even on

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Speaker 1: the greatest superpower in the entire world. So there's that

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Speaker 1: piece of it, and then immediately, of course, there's the

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01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: huge quot questions, which we talked about yesterday, of what

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01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: happens now, because the idea that Israel's assault on Gaza

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01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: was going to just remain in the Gaza strip is

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01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: now over. It's been over, but no one can pretend

1333
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: anymore when you have over one hundred and sixty attacks

1334
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: on our service members throughound the region, which once again

1335
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: begs the question, what the hell are they even doing?

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01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: They're sitting as sitting ducks to start with. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there is no reason why these three young Army reservists

1338
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: should be dead now and their families grieving. There is

1339
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: absolutely no reason that they should have been there in

1340
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: the first place, let alone the way that the Biden

1341
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: policy of unconditional support for Israel has incredibly predictably led

1342
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: to this very result. Sadly, it was only a matter

1343
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: of time before there were direct losses and casualties as

1344
01:02:56,080 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 1: a result of that policy. You have, obviously what's happening

1345
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: in the Red Sea with our strikes on the Houthis

1346
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: in Yemen and the fact that you know, our policymakers

1347
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: they claim this isn't a war.

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01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 4: I don't know what a war is if it's not.

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01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: You know, a repeated sustained military engagement, which is apparently

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01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 1: what they're planning here, in spite of the fact that

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01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: they have admitted Joe Biden himself admits we know this

1352
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: is not going to work. Then you add to this,

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01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: this is insane. This is a good catch from Ken Klippenstein.

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01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen. I don't know even

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01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: what to say about this. But the Pentagon is saying

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01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: there are no US troops in Yemen, but the White

1357
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: House is saying there are US troops in Yemen.

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01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 4: Who's right? Who knows?

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01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: Why can't they agree on this what should be like

1360
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: a basic fact that the American people should be well

1361
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 1: aware of, especially given now our attack on the Hoothies.

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01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: I mean, is it ignorance that's terrifying? Is it lies

1363
01:03:58,760 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: that's also terrifying?

1364
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Speaker 4: What do you make of this? Saber?

1365
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: The fact that they can't even agree on something as

1366
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: basic as where our US service members are even located

1367
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:08,959
Speaker 1: at this point.

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Speaker 2: They at let's be clear they are absolutely on ground

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01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 2: and Yemen, because that was a slip up, and this

1370
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 2: gets to I cover the Pentagon, and I know all

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01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 2: their tricks. One of the things that they would do

1372
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 2: is to avoid saying that we had troops on the

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01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 2: ground in a certain place. The threshold would be usually

1374
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 2: mandatory reporting if troops are there for a certain number

1375
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 2: of days. It can be ninety, it can be one

1376
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty. There's certain various different thresholds one hundred

1377
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 2: and eighty going back all the way to the Vietnam.

1378
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 3: So what do you do.

1379
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 2: You send some troops for one hundred and seventy nine days,

1380
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 2: you pull them out one hundred and seventy nine day.

1381
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 2: So when you do that, you don't have to report

1382
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 2: it to Congress. The other way to get around it

1383
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 2: is to tend contractors. Is to hire contractors and send

1384
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 2: them in on various danger missions, but to support them

1385
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 2: with the US military and basically just play an accounting

1386
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 2: gimmick where technically you don't have US service members who

1387
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 2: are on the ground, but you have a combined force

1388
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 2: let's say that's below said threshold. You can have at

1389
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 2: some point between four to five thousand people on the

1390
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 2: ground in Syria, and technically, according to Congress, there's only

1391
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty there. I literally watched it happen

1392
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 2: whenever we were in the whole counter isis thing. So

1393
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 2: when they're claiming they don't have troops on the ground here,

1394
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 2: the technical definitions for all of this become so like

1395
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 2: nitty gritty for the way that they can deny it

1396
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 2: that in the spirit of it, they are almost certainly

1397
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 2: not telling the truth. And you know, if you think

1398
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 2: about it, we are currently conducting military operations inside of Yemen.

1399
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 2: It would be insane to think that there were at

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01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 2: least some US troops, some US connected assets that are

1401
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 2: there on the ground. We've seen throughout all of our

1402
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 2: military campaigns. It's very difficult to do everything solely from

1403
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 2: the air. Maybe they're connected assets, allies, whatever. So I

1404
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 2: absolutely believe that Ken is telling us the truth. I

1405
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 2: think the White House probably just slipped up and tell

1406
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 2: and accidentally revealing it in their notes locations, because when

1407
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 2: it comes to the spirit of it, let's just be

1408
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 2: very clear, there's absolutely shenanigans that are going on behind

1409
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 2: the scenes, and this is how they always.

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01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 3: Get away with it.

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01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean there's so many issues here. Obviously,

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01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: there's the fact that you know, they did not seek

1413
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: approval from Congress, and this is unconstitutional. Is a number

1414
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: of members on both the right and the left have

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01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 1: indicated their concerns. There's a plan for an ongoing military

1416
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 1: campaign the US. The administration you know, swears all this

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01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: isn't an active war and we're not looking for escalation.

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01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 4: I mean, just turn it around.

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01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: If we had some country repeatedly bombing us and with

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01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: boots on the ground in our country, I'm pretty sure

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01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: we would see that as an act of war. There

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01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 1: would not be any ambiguity about like, oh, well, we

1423
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: didn't technically get the congressional authorization. No, if we were

1424
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: being repeatedly bombed in a sustained military campaign, which by.

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Speaker 4: The way, has caused deaths in.

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Speaker 1: Yemen, and we had boots on the ground of a

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Speaker 1: foreign government in our country, you better believe that we

1428
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: would understand quite clearly that these were acts of war

1429
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: and that we were at war with this other government.

1430
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 1: So let's keep that in mind for one thing. But

1431
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, to get back to where we started with

1432
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: these three US service members and the attack by these

1433
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: militias that receive funding and training from Iran. As we

1434
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: discussed yesterday, you know, the instant reaction from all the

1435
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 1: most psychopathic neo cons on the Republican side of the

1436
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: aisle was time to go to war with Iran and

1437
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: let's bomb the hell out of them.

1438
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 4: You know, we've got to strike back, etc. Etc. And

1439
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 4: the media class does the.

1440
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: Snow favors either, because that's always the direction that they

1441
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 1: push in as well, even though the heart of the

1442
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: problem here, the core of the issue is our unconditional

1443
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 1: support for Israel and our unwillingness to push for a ceasefire.

1444
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 1: When there was a you've period six days of a ceasefire,

1445
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 1: these attacks stopped, and our service members and our country

1446
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: were much much safer. So here is a reporter pushing

1447
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 1: John Kirby, spokesperson John Kirby, or strikes on Iran. Let's

1448
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 1: take a listen to his response.

1449
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 5: Is the president currently actively considering potential attacks inside Iran.

1450
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 12: We are not looking for a war with Iran, We

1451
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 12: are not seeking in conflict with the regime in the

1452
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 12: military way, and as I said in the opening, we're

1453
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 12: not looking to escalate here. This attack over the weekend

1454
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 12: was escalatory, make no mistake about it, and it requires

1455
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 12: a response, Make no mistake about that. I will not

1456
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 12: get ahead of the president's decision making.

1457
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 5: You're not saying either way whether striking inside Iran is

1458
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 5: or isn't.

1459
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 12: We are not thinking for a war with Iran, MJ.

1460
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 12: I am not going to speak to the president's decisions.

1461
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Speaker 4: So hopefully that is accurate.

1462
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 1: Hopefully they are not looking to escalate, and hopefully they

1463
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: don't want war with the Run and critically are going

1464
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 1: to do what it takes to avoid a war with

1465
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: the Run. But the most important thing they could possibly do,

1466
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,759
Speaker 1: in addition to whatever the retaliatory response is, is to

1467
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: push for and secure a ceasefire. That would be the

1468
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 1: best path to de escalation. Is that if that is

1469
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: in fact what they want. And by the way, Soccer,

1470
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Speaker 1: there was actually an Axios report that had administration officials

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01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,679
Speaker 1: acknowledging that that was the case, that all of these

1472
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Speaker 1: attacks and tensions, et cetera stem from Israel's assault on

1473
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: Gozen are.

1474
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 4: Support of it.

1475
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 1: So it's not like they don't understand the nature of

1476
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:38,679
Speaker 1: what we're facing in the region right now.

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01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, it's all obvious and it just gets to

1478
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 2: the games that are played, and I don't want to

1479
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 2: forget the three people who are killed here, you know,

1480
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 2: in the beginning, And that's why it really bothers me.

1481
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 2: I mean, even let's consider this this base where this happened, Crystal.

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01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 3: You know how it was in Jordan. It was on

1483
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:55,759
Speaker 3: the border with Syria.

1484
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 2: For a reason, to support all of these black ops

1485
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 2: that are going on side of Syria. The justification for

1486
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 2: the troops there is that they're fighting isis this is laughable.

1487
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 3: It's twenty twenty three. Why are they there?

1488
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 2: Why are these army reservists somehow being called up for

1489
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:13,759
Speaker 2: duty and sent there in support?

1490
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 3: What what are they doing?

1491
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 2: No one will tell you the answer to that question

1492
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 2: because it is so outrageous and nonsensical. And instead it

1493
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 2: comes to this of like, all, you're gonna bomb Iron

1494
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 2: or not? Is that not on the table. It's like, look,

1495
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 2: even if we bomb Iraq and Syria, and I guarantee

1496
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 2: you we could take out the specific unit or whatever

1497
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 2: that has done this, it didn't happen in a vacuum.

1498
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 2: We tried very hard in Iraq. We tried to kill

1499
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 2: our way out of the insurgent problem.

1500
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Speaker 3: Didn't work.

1501
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,679
Speaker 2: It only worked whenever we tried to try and deal

1502
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 2: with the political problems that we're fueling the insurgency. And frankly,

1503
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 2: even that had very limited success, required a lot of time, material, money,

1504
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 2: troop debts and all of that, and we eventually ended

1505
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,679
Speaker 2: up pulling out. But the limited amount that we ever

1506
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 2: have made any progress in the country was commitment and

1507
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 2: to try to deal both with fighting insurgents but to

1508
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 2: deal with the political problems that are underneath there. It

1509
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 2: is very obvious where all of this stems from, and

1510
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 2: it is also obvious though the Biden administration doesn't want

1511
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 2: to deal with it. Okay, but then you were signing

1512
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 2: us up for a continued tit for tat thing like this,

1513
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 2: and this, unfortunately, could just be opening salvo. Three troops

1514
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 2: killed here, who knows how many killing a response?

1515
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 3: What does the response look like.

1516
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 2: Let's hope it's not a disaster and that people don't

1517
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 2: die in the initial response, and then what because then

1518
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 2: if people do, then we're going to be responding to

1519
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 2: the response. That's exactly how these things play out, going

1520
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 2: all the way back to Gulf of Tonking and others.

1521
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 3: It doesn't happen just immediately.

1522
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 2: It's a slow thing that you can't even necessarily recognize

1523
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 2: in real time where the turning points were. But if

1524
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 2: I were to guess, I think to who the action

1525
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 2: was probably it. I mean, that just really is what

1526
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 2: put the military operations outside the theater. And what bugs

1527
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 2: me again is that Israel is not paying for any

1528
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 2: of this. Israel is not doing any of this, but

1529
01:11:58,080 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 2: they're the ones who are responsible.

1530
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 3: We have somehow.

1531
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:04,640
Speaker 2: You know, we're all paying a global Israel tax on

1532
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 2: our shipping, on our military deployment for what like this

1533
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 2: is not something that is in our.

1534
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 3: Overall strategic interest.

1535
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,719
Speaker 2: And you know, I wish we could look those three,

1536
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 2: the families of those three people in the face and

1537
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 2: give them a better explanation for why they were in

1538
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 2: harm's way in the first places.

1539
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 1: It is so sad, It is so tragic, and it

1540
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: really also underscores the fact that all of these neocons

1541
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: who are constantly hungry for war, it won't be them.

1542
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 1: They're not going to be the ones right who are

1543
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 1: sleeping at a barracks and have a suicide drone kill

1544
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 1: them in their sleep. It's not going to be their

1545
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 1: sons and daughters it's not going to be their loved ones.

1546
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: We all know who this burden would fall on. And

1547
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 1: the political class has next to no connection or care

1548
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:59,440
Speaker 1: ultimately for their lives, for their dreams, for their aspirations,

1549
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 1: and it's utterly disgusting. There is also a very ominous

1550
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 1: uh situation brewing conflict at the Rafa border in the

1551
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: Gaza Strip, and this has become a really critical area

1552
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: because for a variety of reasons. I mean, for one thing,

1553
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: it is the critical border crossing that the Gaza Strip

1554
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: shares with Egypt. For another reason, you know, after Northern Gaza,

1555
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: after everybody was basically forced down of there, the million

1556
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 1: plus people who lived in Northern Gaza force the south.

1557
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: Many of them went to Kanyunis. Then Kanyunis came under

1558
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: heavy bombardment. Many of them now fled to the Rafa area.

1559
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:43,639
Speaker 1: So you have over a million Palestinians living in this area.

1560
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 4: It's packed densely.

1561
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 1: If you look at the photos, it's just tent after

1562
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 1: tent after tent. And now the Israelis are saying, oh,

1563
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,639
Speaker 1: if we actually want to come close to accomplishing our

1564
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: supposed military objectives of getting comas in the Gaza strip

1565
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: while we're to have to attack the Rafa area.

1566
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 4: That's the next piece of the puzzle.

1567
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:09,799
Speaker 1: Well, Egypt is really pushing back in an aggressive manner

1568
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 1: on the budding Israeli plans for this part of the

1569
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,679
Speaker 1: Gaza strip. Let's put this up on the screen. So

1570
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 1: this is from Middle East Monitor. The headline here is

1571
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 1: Egypt told Palestinian factions of decision to prevent Israel from

1572
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 1: invading Rafa. Let me read from the report because this

1573
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:32,919
Speaker 1: is very consequential. In form, Palestinian sources reported Sunday, Egypt

1574
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 1: told the Palestinian factions of its firm decision not to

1575
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 1: allow the Israeli occupation to invade the Palestinian Egyptian border

1576
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 1: zone at Rafa. The sources pointed out Egypt had stressed

1577
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 1: that quote, any attack on the Egyptian Palestinian border is

1578
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:52,719
Speaker 1: an attack on Egyptian national security. Palsainian resistant factions praise

1579
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,839
Speaker 1: the Egyptian decision and considered it a safeguard of borders

1580
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: and sovereignty, noting Egypt is firm against the displacement project.

1581
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 1: That is the you know, the idea floated by many

1582
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 1: cabinet ministers pushed aggressively by many cabinet ministers to push

1583
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,759
Speaker 1: Palestinians out of the Gaza Strip entirely and into Egypt.

1584
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 1: A few days ago, the head of egypt State Information

1585
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 1: Service said the Israeli endeavor to control the Philadelphia cord

1586
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 1: or that's this border region in the Gaza Strip along

1587
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:23,799
Speaker 1: the border with Egypt is expected to threaten Egypt Israel

1588
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 1: relations and Sogeri comes amid reports that some sort of

1589
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 1: operational plan and activity in the Rafa region is imminent.

1590
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 1: Also reports that Israel is saying they want to, you know,

1591
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 1: take greater security control over this crossing. And I don't

1592
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 1: think it's an accident that this more aggressive posture from

1593
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 1: the Egyptians of basically saying hell, no, we're not going

1594
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 1: to allow it, We're not going to be party to

1595
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:51,799
Speaker 1: This also comes on the heels of the ICJ decision

1596
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: that it is plausible that Israel is committing genocide, which

1597
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 1: further puts pressure on Egypt to be no party to

1598
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:58,640
Speaker 1: that whatsoever.

1599
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big problem for them.

1600
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a giant mess because of the tunnel

1601
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:05,719
Speaker 2: network that is currently concentrated mostly under the Rafa crossing,

1602
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 2: but more importantly because they pushed all of the humanitarian

1603
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 2: The entire humanitarian situation is now consolidated there. So how

1604
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 2: exactly are you going to move people out of said region?

1605
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 2: Where are they supposed to go? It would only it

1606
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,680
Speaker 2: would honestly probably be even worse in some cases, just

1607
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 2: because it's so much more concentrated, and because the defenses

1608
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 2: and other things. In many cases, you could consider this

1609
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 2: like not a last stand per se, but at least

1610
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,879
Speaker 2: the last stand in infrastructure for a lot of Hamas,

1611
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 2: because it's the last kind of area that they have

1612
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 2: pretty good command and controls. Very likely also where all

1613
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 2: of the Israeli hostages are raising questions there about how

1614
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 2: you're going to you know, get these people to save them,

1615
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 2: if that's sustensibly even the goal. So I think it's

1616
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 2: a nightmare situation. And it's actually probably outside of Lebanon,

1617
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,839
Speaker 2: which we're about to talk to. This is this sleeper

1618
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 2: area where you could see major international tension. Egypt has

1619
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 2: long kind of been ignored throughout this entire thing. I know,

1620
01:16:58,360 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 2: there's a lot of questions like why won't the Egypt

1621
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 2: take them? Well, first of all, a lot of the

1622
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 2: Palestinian leadership and others don't want to leave the Gaza

1623
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 2: Strip because they fear they won't be able to return.

1624
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 2: Second is that Egypt has its own domestic political considerations.

1625
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 2: They hate the Muslim Brotherhood and they hate anything that

1626
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 2: even smells of Islamism. So they have their own, you know,

1627
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,799
Speaker 2: domestic political considerations as to why they're kind of behaving

1628
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:21,600
Speaker 2: this way. But in terms of national pride, small d democratic,

1629
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 2: you know, input on the Egyptian governments such as it exists,

1630
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 2: the Palestinian issue is a hot one and if they

1631
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 2: see you know, troops firing and bombs on Egyptian territory

1632
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:34,680
Speaker 2: and others, that's going to be considered, you know, a

1633
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,680
Speaker 2: breach of sovereignty, and there definitely could be you know,

1634
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 2: a major crisis that erupts here. I wouldn't be surprised

1635
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:43,560
Speaker 2: if this is a sleeper issue as the Israeli war continues.

1636
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is absolutely correct, And it's worth recalling that

1637
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 1: the status of this border, this was part of what

1638
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 1: was negotiated during the Oslo Accords, So this is sort

1639
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 1: of long standing, you know, settled agreements in terms of

1640
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 1: how this whole thing is supposed to function. You know, Egypt,

1641
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 1: I think you're right to lay out their own domestic

1642
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 1: political concerns, not to mention that they are in a

1643
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 1: lot of economic trouble and have a high debt burden.

1644
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 4: Et cetera.

1645
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 1: So having an influx of a refugee population would be

1646
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: very challenging for them there. But I mean there is

1647
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 1: also the fact that they do not want to be

1648
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 1: party to an ethnic cleansing, and the Egyptian sort of

1649
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 1: like the Arab street, as I say, in Egypt, is

1650
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 1: really sort of the beating heart of you know, support

1651
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 1: for Palestine and of broader regional Arab sentiment. So you know,

1652
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 1: they don't want any part of this, and I think

1653
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 1: they're feeling increasing pressure because I also think that South

1654
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 1: Africa has sort of shamed some of these countries of

1655
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 1: why weren't you all the ones that brought this case

1656
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: to the ICJ, Why haven't you done anything, You've set back,

1657
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,640
Speaker 1: You've done absolutely nothing, And so I think that has

1658
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 1: also put pressure on a lot of these governments to

1659
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: at least posture like they are more in support of

1660
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 1: the Palestinian cause, like they're actually willing to do something

1661
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 1: on behalf of Palestinians, not just put out like strongly

1662
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 1: worded statements. That is not the only trouble brewing in

1663
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 1: this region. So obviously Netnah, who has every incentive to

1664
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 1: keep this war going forever, He has every incentive and

1665
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 1: so does his war cabinet to expand this war. And

1666
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:26,440
Speaker 1: they have been teasing for a while a more aggressive

1667
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 1: approach with regard to Lebanon and Hezbela, and it looks

1668
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 1: like that day may fast be approaching. Let's put this

1669
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:37,639
Speaker 1: up on the screen. According to Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant,

1670
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 1: Israeli troops will quote very soon go into action near

1671
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 1: the country's northern border with Lebanon. Galant told troops and

1672
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: near that border with the besieged Gaza strip that others

1673
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 1: were being deployed to Israel's north quote they will go

1674
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 1: into action very soon. He added, Reservists would be gradually

1675
01:19:55,360 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 1: released to prepare and come ready for future operations. Now obvious,

1676
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 1: there's already been fire exchange, there's been sort of back

1677
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 1: and forth skirmishes with Hesbela are long disper region. But Sager,

1678
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 1: they seem to be indicating that a broader offensive and

1679
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 1: opening up an entirely new front officially in this war.

1680
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 4: That this could be coming in your days.

1681
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean they're saying it very openly.

1682
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 2: I believe the Defense Minister whenever he says that you

1683
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 2: will be in action sometime soon. And I think that

1684
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 2: that is Look, even the most pro Israel people, Barry Wiss,

1685
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 2: for example, who is just in Israel. She put out

1686
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 2: some tweet and after her visit and all of that,

1687
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 2: and she said, even here in Israel, it's a matter

1688
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 2: of if, not where it's going to happen. It's not

1689
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 2: a matter of if, it's a matter of when. In

1690
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 2: terms of Lebanon, and it will be ten times what

1691
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 2: we have seen in Gaza for the Israelis in terms

1692
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 2: of the price that they would pay for the domestic populus.

1693
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:54,959
Speaker 3: In particular, this would.

1694
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 2: Really bring the war home in a way that not

1695
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 2: even October seventh necessarily did, because we're talking about conventional war,

1696
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 2: not terrorism. Day by day missiles and others that can

1697
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 2: penetrate the Iron Dome and put hundreds of thousands of

1698
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:13,719
Speaker 2: people and really at risk in terms of in terms

1699
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 2: of where they're sleeping. There's already been the largest internal

1700
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 2: resettlement in the history of the State of Israel, evacuating

1701
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 2: the northern border but many Israeli towns, cities and others

1702
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 2: would very much be within the range of Hezbola missiles

1703
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 2: and rockets. It would require the remobilization of the IDF, which,

1704
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 2: let's be honest as not exactly colored themselves in glory

1705
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 2: from a tactical military perspective in their conduct with Gaza. Well,

1706
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 2: Hamas is nothing compared to the battle test of guys

1707
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,640
Speaker 2: in Hesbola who've been fighting in Syria now for like

1708
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 2: a decade.

1709
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 3: I mean, these are people who are there.

1710
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 2: You could compare it like to the Japanese military in

1711
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 2: the nineteen forties, which had you know, honed their skills,

1712
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 2: their military leadership and others for a previous decade in

1713
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 2: China and Manchuria and elsewhere. I mean, these were people

1714
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 2: who are very battle tested, very battle hard, and well

1715
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 2: equipped and supplied in a way that Hamas not was

1716
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:06,639
Speaker 2: not did not even come close.

1717
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 3: And I'm not.

1718
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 2: Sure that I think we can all just you know,

1719
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 2: say very clearly that if Gaza bled out to the

1720
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 2: who thies and to killing American service member in Jordan,

1721
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,720
Speaker 2: then we should multiply the same ten the same ten

1722
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:26,679
Speaker 2: factors should apply for Bahrain, for our troops in Jordan, Syria, Iraq.

1723
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 2: For what that would look like. I think it would

1724
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 2: turn things up to a whole other level. The other

1725
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,600
Speaker 2: important point thing we should note is that Hesbol is

1726
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 2: a much more strategic ally to the Iranians than Hamas was.

1727
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 2: Hamas is like a convenient thing that's out there. They

1728
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 2: fund them, but it's not like they're not like blood

1729
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 2: brothers in the same way. Hesbol as a whole other

1730
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:44,759
Speaker 2: story in terms of the way that the Iranian regime

1731
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 2: and Hesbol have been, you know, kind of handing glove

1732
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 2: now for decades, especially with Nasrala their leaders. So if

1733
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 2: this is going to happen, it's going to be a

1734
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 2: full blown regional war. I don't think we should go

1735
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 2: away from that. And they're the ones who are saying,

1736
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,759
Speaker 2: I don't know why. We're the ones who are obviously

1737
01:22:57,800 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 2: since we already with Gaza, are the ones who are

1738
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 2: paying the outer prize that we're not doing anything about this,

1739
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 2: but apparently we're not. If they're willing to say it openly,

1740
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:06,680
Speaker 2: then they don't care. They either not listening or they

1741
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 2: just don't care what we have to say, probably.

1742
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:11,719
Speaker 1: Both, And they've been saying it openly from the beginning.

1743
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 1: I mean, how many comments do we talk about where

1744
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 1: you have Goland and others were saying, hey, we could

1745
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 1: turn Beirut into Gaza Strip, you know, I mean, and

1746
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 1: look at what has happened in gods of what an ominous,

1747
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,640
Speaker 1: horrifying thing that is to say at this point, I

1748
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 1: also think it's really important to keep the big picture

1749
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 1: in mind here. Hespela had nothing to do with October seventh.

1750
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 1: They weren't connected to that at all. So, you know,

1751
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 1: the logic of this is insane. There is no logic

1752
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:45,640
Speaker 1: to it outside of net Yahoo and his you know,

1753
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:47,640
Speaker 1: yo have Goland and the rest of the ministers in

1754
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: the War cabinet, their own desire to save their political skin,

1755
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:56,679
Speaker 1: especially because the reality is their goals in the Gaza Strip,

1756
01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 1: their stated goals in the Gaza Strip of eliminating Hamas,

1757
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:02,719
Speaker 1: which was not the real goal, but their stated goals

1758
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 1: of eliminating Hamas was never possible even by their own

1759
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 1: standards and by their own metrics, they have really dramatically failed.

1760
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 1: They have not been able to kill any of the

1761
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 1: top leadership in the Gaza Strip. They have not been

1762
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 1: able to with their military secure the release of the hostages.

1763
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 1: The only time hostages were released were because of diplomatic negotiations.

1764
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 1: In fact, the military methods are contrary to keeping the

1765
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:40,640
Speaker 1: hostages safe and being able to return them home. They

1766
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 1: have not even destroyed a majority of the tunnels. Eighty

1767
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 1: percent of the tunnel network is still operational and still fine.

1768
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 1: So what they have been able to do, which is

1769
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 1: consistent with some of the real GIG goals, is to

1770
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:59,560
Speaker 1: create conditions of absolute hell and horror and destruction of

1771
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 1: complete civilian life on the ground in the Gaza Strip

1772
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 1: as a sort of warning and a potential deterrent and

1773
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 1: a method of hopefully pushing Palestinians completely out of the

1774
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 1: Gaza Strip. And you know, Egypt is now taking a

1775
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 1: hard line against that. The US claims to be against

1776
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 1: that as well. But as i'll you know, go through

1777
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 1: a report in a moment that describes how many of

1778
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: the cabinet ministers in the Israeli government they don't care

1779
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 1: what we say. They're still out there aggressively advocating for

1780
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 1: exactly that ethnic lansing plan, which has been part of

1781
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 1: the aspirational goal from the beginning. So the only logic

1782
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 1: here for expanding this front is to give Netanyahu's some

1783
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 1: sort of military victory, to keep the war going for

1784
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 1: as long as possible so that he can try to

1785
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: cling to power. That's what's going on here. And you know,

1786
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 1: to your point saga about how the US, you know,

1787
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 1: we we've claim from the beginning, Oh, we don't want

1788
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 1: to spill over into a broader conflict.

1789
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 4: How's that going for you?

1790
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 1: How many fronts are being engaged on at this point,

1791
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:10,120
Speaker 1: you know, And the total insanity of the fact that

1792
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 1: these people, Biden and others are admitting that they know

1793
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 1: our foreign policy is basically stupid and insane, but they

1794
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 1: can't help themselves from pursuing the stupid and insane foreign

1795
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 1: policy anyway.

1796
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, and you know a lot of this.

1797
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 2: Look, I would hope for a cease fire deal that

1798
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 2: may or may not be in progress right now. We're

1799
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 2: trying to monitor it live. Let's put this up there

1800
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 2: on the screen. So as of yesterday, it seemed like

1801
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:35,679
Speaker 2: there was a maybe it's that negotiators are closing in

1802
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 2: on a hostage deal. It would height halt fighting in

1803
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:42,559
Speaker 2: Gaza for weeks. Some of the details, Crystal are I mean,

1804
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 2: I'm still curious if you want to break it down, like, yeah,

1805
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 2: what is exactly real and not?

1806
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 3: Because there's so much conflicting information.

1807
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 1: Right well, the context of your comments and why you're

1808
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 1: sort of self peddling it is because we also got

1809
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 1: comments from Netanyahu this morning basically pouring water on the

1810
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 1: contours of the deal that has been outlined in.

1811
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:04,839
Speaker 4: Various press reports.

1812
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:06,839
Speaker 1: So put the actually the next piece on the screen

1813
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 1: from Axios, which had more detail about what supposedly this

1814
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:16,719
Speaker 1: potential deal could contain. They say Katari and Egyptian mediators

1815
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:19,680
Speaker 1: to present Hamas with a framework this week for negotiations

1816
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 1: over a three phase deal. The first phase would include

1817
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 1: a six week pause and fighting release of roughly forty

1818
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 1: Israeli hostages in exchange for Israel freeing the numbers I

1819
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 1: saw were hundreds of Palestinian prisoners. If you read into

1820
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 1: this report, they have more details on what these phases

1821
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 1: would theoretically be. The way that it's presented here by

1822
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 1: this reporter is effectively like this is being brought to

1823
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,640
Speaker 1: Hamas as a potential framework. My understanding is this is

1824
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:51,919
Speaker 1: based on some you know, discussions BIA mediators with Hamas

1825
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 1: about what might be acceptable to them as well as

1826
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 1: part of a deal, so it's not like they're just

1827
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:02,600
Speaker 1: have no idea whether this would be potentially a fruitful direction.

1828
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 4: To engage in with Hamas.

1829
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 1: They have some idea that potentially they could agree to

1830
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:09,639
Speaker 1: this as well. The first phase is that six weeks

1831
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 1: ceasefire release of a set number of Palestinian prisoners exchange

1832
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 1: for Hamas being thirty five to forty Israeli hostages. This

1833
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 1: would include women, older men, so men over the age

1834
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 1: of sixty and those who have serious medical conditions. Then

1835
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:28,520
Speaker 1: the second two phases, they haven't fully agreed on the details.

1836
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:30,679
Speaker 1: The idea would be they'd sort of lock in stone

1837
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:33,719
Speaker 1: the idea for the first phase, who would be released,

1838
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 1: how many Palestinian prisoners, how long it would how long

1839
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 1: it would go for. They'd have a rough idea of

1840
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 1: the second two phases that's phase two and three, but

1841
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't fully lock that in until they were in initial

1842
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: phase one. But they say the second phase is expected

1843
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,760
Speaker 1: to include the release of Israeli soldiers and civilian men

1844
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 1: under the age of sixty from captivity in Gaza, so

1845
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 1: basically like military age men and actual soldiers would be

1846
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:01,640
Speaker 1: released for additional Palestinian prisoners in the third phase, you

1847
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:05,599
Speaker 1: would include the release of bodies of hostages, hostages who

1848
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,680
Speaker 1: have been killed which are being held by Hamas. For

1849
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:10,839
Speaker 1: each stage, they say, a different key would be determined

1850
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:13,640
Speaker 1: for the number of Palestinian prisoners to be released. The

1851
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:16,679
Speaker 1: duration of the second and third stages has not yet

1852
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,600
Speaker 1: been defined, and that would be determined in the negotiations,

1853
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:21,680
Speaker 1: but the ideas it would be several more weeks of

1854
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 1: pause and fighting in addition to the original six week ceasefire,

1855
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 1: which is why you're hearing reports that this would be

1856
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:32,840
Speaker 1: a roughly two month ceasefire. Now, after having said all

1857
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 1: of that, we have comments from Natyahuo this morning basically

1858
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:40,599
Speaker 1: saying no, we're not going to release hundreds of Palestinian prisoners.

1859
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:44,679
Speaker 1: We are not going to remove Israeli IDF forces from

1860
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:48,639
Speaker 1: the Gaza strip. So whether these negotiations are still possible,

1861
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 1: whether they're ongoing, we just can't say at this point

1862
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 1: whether this is a real direction or not.

1863
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 3: Right exactly.

1864
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:58,120
Speaker 2: That's that's really the TLDR is like in this morning

1865
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 2: President Natagna, who is like, no, I won't release anybody.

1866
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 3: I won't.

1867
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I just think that the schizophrenic nature of

1868
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:08,520
Speaker 2: the negotiations, and all of this just highlights the problems

1869
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 2: inside of Israel is that Natanyahu's got an extreme right

1870
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 2: wing coalition. They're the only people who are protecting him

1871
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 2: as long as he advances their aims. They don't want

1872
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 2: to see spire. They want war with Lebanon. They literally

1873
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 2: said it as we open here. There's also he can't

1874
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 2: help but highlight this. Israeli anti war pretic protesters have

1875
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 2: been cracked down dramatically on to the point of being

1876
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 2: arrested in others. For days now, there has been a

1877
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:37,600
Speaker 2: protest to stop humanitarian aid that was actually going into Gaza,

1878
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:40,679
Speaker 2: that is being openly allowed by the government and even

1879
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:43,679
Speaker 2: visited by them. So here is a news report from

1880
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:47,600
Speaker 2: inside of Israel on English Israeli news channel that spotlights

1881
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 2: some of this.

1882
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

1883
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 13: We're going to interview some of them that we can

1884
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 13: try and find to talk to some of them who

1885
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:55,479
Speaker 13: came out. But there are members from all different sides

1886
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:56,799
Speaker 13: of Israeli political spectrum.

1887
01:30:56,840 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 3: They say they're from the.

1888
01:30:57,520 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 13: Right, there are people from the left, they're religious, they're secular,

1889
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:02,639
Speaker 13: all some of our families of hostages, but all coming

1890
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:04,639
Speaker 13: out for the simple goal of saying trying to stop

1891
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 13: humanitarian aid. So, Shoshana, do you want to join me

1892
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 13: and tell us a little bit about why you came

1893
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:10,599
Speaker 13: out here today, why it's important for you to come

1894
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:11,400
Speaker 13: here and protest.

1895
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:13,560
Speaker 3: Why do you think they need to stop this aid?

1896
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 10: Well, all the hay that's going in is going straight

1897
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:18,599
Speaker 10: to Hamas, is just supporting, supporting the terrorists. I don't

1898
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 10: see any reason to support terrorism. Nobody wants that. We

1899
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 10: just want our hostages home. We want to stop Kamas.

1900
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 10: I don't understand why that's a problem.

1901
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 3: That's really the argument that she's making. It's pretty clear.

1902
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 2: Also, I wonder where that lady's from, though, by the way,

1903
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 2: Korea a kind of curious accent.

1904
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 1: I love the way that that news presenter to portrays

1905
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 1: this like some oh, heartwarming coming together of all factions

1906
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 1: of Israeli society to starve the children of Gaza. Even

1907
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 1: the Israeli government does not claim that all the aid

1908
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:52,040
Speaker 1: is going through Hamas. They have said, and I don't

1909
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 1: even think that this is accurate. But at most ten

1910
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 1: percent of the aid is being intercepted by Hamas.

1911
01:31:58,160 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 4: At most ten percent.

1912
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 1: We're not talking about missiles, we're talking about basic food stuffs,

1913
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 1: water for you know, maybe formula, milk, flour, sugar, things

1914
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 1: you know that are absolutely essential at a time when

1915
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 1: the majority of the people in the Gaza Strip are

1916
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:22,280
Speaker 1: literally starving. Every single person there is in a food

1917
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 1: hunger crisis, the worst by far in the world, and

1918
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:32,719
Speaker 1: all sectors of Israeli society coming together to block any

1919
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:35,879
Speaker 1: of this aid to get it to the starving children

1920
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:38,720
Speaker 1: of the Gaza Strip. But just to give you a

1921
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:41,600
Speaker 1: little bit of a sense of the flavor of these protests,

1922
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 1: we have some video we can show you where they're

1923
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:46,760
Speaker 1: talking about, how they're thinking about what they're doing, which

1924
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 1: is insane. And then we have a video that will

1925
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 1: show you as well of Defense Minister Yoav Galant who's

1926
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:58,160
Speaker 1: visiting some of the IDF reservists in uniform, who are

1927
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 1: telling them how much they support these efforts to block

1928
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:02,400
Speaker 1: the aid.

1929
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 4: And by the way, they also say, hey, don't be.

1930
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 1: Scared about resettling the Gaza Strip, which is you know,

1931
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 1: another subject of much conversation with the Israeli domestic audience.

1932
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:15,599
Speaker 1: So here you can see a little bit of video

1933
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 1: of some of the protesters, you know, walking up to

1934
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 1: the protests. They say, the trucks you see here before,

1935
01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:23,679
Speaker 1: you're full of flower bags and sugar. When you mix

1936
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:27,800
Speaker 1: this up with fertilizer, you get explosives, which are used

1937
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 1: for the rocket warheads and the rocket fuel. What you're

1938
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 1: looking at is not humanitarian aid, it is military munitions.

1939
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 1: What we call flower or sugar to them, it's explosives.

1940
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:43,679
Speaker 1: Now this is the reserves. He says, don't be afraid

1941
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 1: of occupation.

1942
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 4: No aid and no nothing.

1943
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 1: We are now going to block the trucks containing aid.

1944
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Speaker 1: So you know, getting a very clear picture of some

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Speaker 1: of the sentiment from the soldiers charged with this military

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Speaker 1: operation in the Gaza strip and you have Golan, you know,

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Speaker 1: hearing this directly from them. Soccer, what did you make

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Speaker 1: of those videos? And also the idea that flower and

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Speaker 1: sugar to starving Palestinians that's actually rocket fuel, it's actually explosives.

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Speaker 1: That's how they think about flower and sugar as their

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Speaker 1: children are literally starving to.

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Speaker 3: Get to dot.

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Speaker 2: You know, I thought I'd seen a lot growing up

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Speaker 2: during the Iraq War, and it turns out I didn't

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Speaker 2: see shit. And that's that's like a pretty crazy thing

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Speaker 2: to think about. Like I grew up thinking that Donald

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Speaker 2: Rumsfeld was the actual devil, and that George W. Bush

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Speaker 2: and all these other people were some of the worst

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Speaker 2: people who would ever lived and had since Robert mcnamaraan

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Speaker 2: of the other people who got us in to Vietnam.

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Speaker 2: But this is I mean, listen, If anything, it just

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Speaker 2: confirms that history certainly does repeat itself, and then a

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Speaker 2: lot of the you know, the things within the human

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Speaker 2: character are easily replicable, and that you should never take

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Speaker 2: that for granted whenever you enter a new age.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that's that's just the only way I could

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Speaker 3: look at it. It's just crazy. I think.

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Speaker 2: What's crazy to me in general, the way these reelis

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Speaker 2: have conducted themselves is I just don't understand how they

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Speaker 2: don't know that we live in a social media age

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Speaker 2: and that the age of translation and others, every single

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Speaker 2: thing you say is going to go viral and the

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Speaker 2: world and the critics and all them will see it. So,

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Speaker 2: I mean, sure it hasn't had an impact in terms

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Speaker 2: of US policy, but that can't be the only thing

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Speaker 2: that you care about. You know, people are going to

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Speaker 2: remember this has changed dramatically changing politics here in the

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Speaker 2: United States. So I don't know, maybe they just don't care,

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Speaker 2: which is a crazy thing in my opinion. For a

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Speaker 2: nation that literally relies on foreign direct investment and military

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Speaker 2: aid from a global superpower, you should probably care how

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Speaker 2: you're perceived in that country.

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Speaker 1: But they're completely used to acting with impunity and there

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Speaker 1: being no consequences. I mean, when was the last time

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Speaker 1: that there were really significant consequences.

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Speaker 4: This is the.

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Speaker 1: Result, I mean, that brazen nature of you know, all

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Speaker 1: the IDF soldier tiktoks and the rhetoric from every level

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Speaker 1: of government up to and including bb Net and Yahoo.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a direct outgrowth of the fact that

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration from the beginning said we don't care

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Speaker 1: what you do, no red lines, do what you need

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Speaker 1: to do. We'll ship you the weapons, we'll expedite the weapons,

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Speaker 1: we'll click occasionally leak to the pross about how set

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Speaker 1: we are, but we're not going to do anything about it.

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Speaker 1: So of course they act with impunity and they let

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Speaker 1: it all hang out. Speaking of which, this report from

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Speaker 1: Haratz about this Gaza resettlement conference which just occurred in

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Speaker 1: Israel and was attended by many Lacud party members, senior

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Speaker 1: Lacud party members, and government cabinet ministers is really something

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Speaker 1: You should really read all of it because the comments

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Speaker 1: that were made, the brazen nature of them, the fact

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Speaker 1: that you know, some of the most insane psychos on

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Speaker 1: the far right, I mean, they're hailed as heroes for

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Speaker 1: these comments. So I mean that gives you another idea

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Speaker 1: of why the comments are made, Why this is all publicized,

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Speaker 1: It's because it's popular among plenty of secks of Israeli society.

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Speaker 1: This is bolstering the images of people like Smotrich and

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Speaker 1: Bengevie every time that they thumb their nose at the

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Speaker 1: US and they say, we don't care that you don't

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Speaker 1: want us to do ethnic cleansing. This is our plan

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Speaker 1: and this is what we want to do. So put

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Speaker 1: this up on the screen. From Haretz, the headline here

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Speaker 1: the people of Israel will settle Gaza. Netnahu's ministers at

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Speaker 1: far right conference endorse expulsion of Palestinians. Keep this up

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Speaker 1: for a second because they have one of the quotes

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Speaker 1: in here that was completely insane. They say voluntary immigration

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Speaker 1: is at times the situation you impose until they give

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Speaker 1: their consent. That was according to Netnahu's communications minister, who

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Speaker 1: said this on stage to cheers and applause, exposing the

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Speaker 1: true message of the conference for the victory of Israel

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Speaker 1: the transfer or expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza. In this

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Speaker 1: report they talk about how there were many different ideas

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Speaker 1: for how Gaza could be resettled. There was something for

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Speaker 1: every potential settler here to get behind. One offered a

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Speaker 1: once in a lifetime opportunity to take part in the

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Speaker 1: rebuilding of the Jewish city of Gaza as a green,

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Speaker 1: technological city, open to all and uniting all sections of

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Speaker 1: Israeli society. Ethnic cleansing using like liberal lefty language is

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Speaker 1: really quite something to behold. They have a list of

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Speaker 1: all of the ministers and Lakud party members who were there.

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Speaker 4: It was very well attended. Many people in.

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Speaker 1: Power were there cheering on the idea of ethnic cleansing

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Speaker 1: and resettlement.

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Speaker 4: They said.

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Speaker 1: The biggest response came for videos of soldiers in Gaza

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Speaker 1: calling for the strip to be resettled, shouting out that

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Speaker 1: there are no innocens or photographing themselves with banners for

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Speaker 1: the settlements that were previously dismantled.

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Speaker 4: Ben Gevier called.

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Speaker 1: For the execution of terrorists, encouragement of what he terms

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Speaker 1: emigration for gossens. He says, we have already seen and

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Speaker 1: understood that running away brings war. If we don't want

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Speaker 1: another October seventh, we must return home and control the territory,

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Speaker 1: as well as propose a torah and holocic. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that word logic encouraging emigration for gossens and the

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Speaker 1: death penalty for terrorists.

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Speaker 4: So this is.

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Speaker 1: Totally contrary to US government policy, supposedly anyway, official government policy.

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Speaker 1: You'll recall Sagre that we felt compelled to at least

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Speaker 1: put out some sort of a statement condemning the language

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Speaker 1: of these ministers in the past, clearly without taking further action.

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Speaker 1: This has not deterred them whatsoever. And it also, of

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Speaker 1: course comes after the ICJ specifically cited some very similar

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Speaker 1: comments that were made as plausibly inciting genocide. Clearly they

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Speaker 1: do not care, because the text of what they were

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Speaker 1: saying and what was.

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Speaker 4: Being cheered on here is absolutely wild.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you read this, and you also couple it

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Speaker 2: with some interesting comments that Galant actually made today about

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Speaker 2: security control over the West Bank, it seems that within

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Speaker 2: the you know, within the allowable options, the best option

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Speaker 2: quote unquote that seems to be politically realistic. Is just

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Speaker 2: a return to the status quo, which is not something

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Speaker 2: that the US has ostensibly supports, which was Israeli security

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Speaker 2: control over Gaza and no future government Palestinian state, et cetera,

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Speaker 2: which Netanyahu is ruled out. That seems to be the

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Speaker 2: best one under option. The other option it's this one.

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Speaker 2: So this just again raises questions for the United States,

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Speaker 2: where we've put sanctions in place on people Israeli settlers,

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Speaker 2: specifically taking action against settlers or who have been supporting

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Speaker 2: settlers and who have been attacking Palestinians in the West Bank.

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Speaker 2: Because it's contra to overall US policy. I'm wondering where

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Speaker 2: is the simultaneous US sanction and action on this part

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Speaker 2: if we do believe ostensibly and what the sustainable quote

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Speaker 2: unquote solution should look like afterwards. And you know, if

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Speaker 2: something like this is just so brazen and so obvious,

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Speaker 2: you know, at a certain point you either endorse it

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Speaker 2: or you don't.

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Speaker 3: So they need to make it clear.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and these people know what they want. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: no like a day after, what are we going to do?

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Speaker 1: We're still thinking about, We're still figuring no They have

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Speaker 1: maps of exactly where and when and how they would

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Speaker 1: they would resettle Gaza and come in and you know,

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Speaker 1: reinvade that land. They know exactly what they want to do,

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Speaker 1: and that in and of itself is a very powerful thing,

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Speaker 1: especially when you look at the Gaza Strip today and

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Speaker 1: you realize it is uninhabitable. I mean, the northern part

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Speaker 1: of the Gazza Strip in particular has been utterly destroyed.

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Speaker 1: The civil villion infrastructure, from universities to hospitals, to schools,

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Speaker 1: to residential houses and apartment I mean it is decimated.

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Speaker 1: So that's step one is make it unlivable. Push them south,

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Speaker 1: Push them south, push them south. Now you've got over

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Speaker 1: a million Palestinians in Gaza, sheltering in Ratha right on

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Speaker 1: the border, just one step further into the Egyptian desert.

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Speaker 1: And these folks at this conference completely get their way

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Speaker 1: and their goal of what they want to see for

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Speaker 1: the Gaza Strip.

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Speaker 3: All right, guys, that's it for us today, Crystal.

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Speaker 2: We were hoping that you're going to be back here

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Speaker 2: in the studio on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Things are looking good on that front. Again.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to everybody for the well wishes. If you

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Speaker 2: want to acknowledge them.

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Speaker 1: Crystal, Yes, I very much appreciate that everything is going

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Speaker 1: good here, so fingers crossed. I'll be back in studio

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Speaker 1: with you guys on Thursday.

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