1 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: From Futro Media and PRX. It's Latino USA. I'm Mariano Rosa. 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Today a preview of the second episode of season two 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: of our Bulletzer Prize winning podcast Suave. Well, Dear listener, 4 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: it's been seven years since the release of David Luis 5 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: Suave Gonzalez from a maximum security prison. Suave had been 6 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: sentenced to life without parole as a teenager. But you 7 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: might remember we were there when Suave finally walked out 8 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: of prison seven years ago. Now, Suave is navigating life 9 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: as a freeman and dealing with all of the feelings 10 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: and pressure that comes with it, because starting over is 11 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: complicated and on the outside, life can come at you 12 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: dangerously fast. This season, we're gonna go deep into Suave's 13 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: quest to define what freedom really means for him. Ririeta 14 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: Martinelli is the host of Suavest season two, and she's 15 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: gonna guide us through this journey. And just a warning, 16 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: dear listener, this episode contained some strong language. 17 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: Sometimes I do think that I was better off locked up, 18 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 2: and that's hard to say, but it's the truth. 19 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 3: You know, it's the truth, man, And whoever. 20 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: Been locked up thirty one years or more and tell 21 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: you otherwise it's Lyne dayline. 22 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 3: I'm still living. I still live like I'm in prison. 23 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: Like locked up, like I'm in my father fucking jail set. 24 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: You know, that's the scary part for me, because I 25 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: haven't been able to shake it off. Shit another day 26 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 2: in this world. Five o'clock in the morning, just cutting up. Bella, Bella, 27 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 2: I'm gonna whip your ass. 28 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 4: Bella Suave, formerly one of the hardest guys on the 29 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 4: block at Greater for Prison, now a doting cat. 30 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 3: Dat man. 31 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: Bella just snuck in the bed and chucked in under 32 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: my arms when I was sleeping, got hair all over 33 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 2: my black sheets. 34 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: And this cat, she's got an adorable wardrobe of yes, 35 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 1: pink dresses. 36 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 2: I get her these little warm outfits. I think it's 37 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: so cute. I don't think Bella understands she's a girl, 38 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: so I put pink onhot to let her know, Like, 39 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 2: look at yourself in the mirror, you are a girl. 40 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 3: Bella. 41 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 4: Swabe's studio apartment is pretty tiny, but after decades in 42 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 4: a small cell, Swabi says it felt kind of palatial 43 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 4: when he moved in. He calls his apartment a. 44 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: Hard class prison cell. I don't need a whole lot. 45 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 2: It's better than a house for. 46 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 4: Me, unlike a prison cell. 47 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 3: Though. 48 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 4: There's a big fluffy bed here. Also, it's kind of 49 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 4: Bella's bed. But after sleeping on a three inch mattress 50 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 4: over a metal slab for three decades, he can't really 51 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 4: get comfortable on this bed sometimes. 52 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: And you know, I don't even tell people this, but 53 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 2: sometimes I just take a sheet or quilt, put it 54 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: on the floor and lay on the floor. 55 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 4: It turns out it's harder than it seems to break 56 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 4: some prison habits. 57 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 3: In prison, you got. 58 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: To get up and the gul walk around and make 59 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: sure you physically there. They blow a boohall like ten 60 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: minutes before they come around. Count Ton, Count Tom. That's 61 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: what they would yell every morning. At home. It's almost 62 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 2: the same thing. I get up Bella and be all 63 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: content together. 64 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: You know, I always worry about suavez sleeping situation. It's 65 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: kind of weird. It's one of the things that I'm like, 66 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: is he sleeping? And lately he's been telling me that 67 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: he's sleeping even less, and you know, he he jokes 68 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: about it. Actually he's I think he's kind of like 69 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: showing off because you know, he's working a bunch of 70 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: jobs and there's always something going on and. 71 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 3: It's a thing. 72 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 4: And Maria, you've offered him some advice that has helped 73 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:58,799 Speaker 4: you sleep. 74 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: I worry because you're like, I've been up all night, 75 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: haven't slept, and I do have some cannabis bills that 76 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: will knock you out. 77 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 3: Well. 78 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: I appreciate the cannabis, right, but also I just want 79 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: to make you aware and the whole team that if 80 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 2: I do take some cannabis, whether it's medically or not, 81 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 2: you are like saying we see you in about six months, 82 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: because that's like a direct violation for parole. 83 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: Shit. I'm sorry, and so I would stay away from 84 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 3: that one. 85 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: Damn bro. 86 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 4: From Futura Studios. This is Suave. I'm Julie de Martinelli. 87 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 4: In twenty seventeen, David Luis Swave Gonzalez was released from 88 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 4: prison after thirty one years serving a life sentence without parole. 89 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 4: He was one of thousands of juvenile lifers granted a 90 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 4: second chance at This is a story about life after 91 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 4: incarceration and the search for the true meaning of freedom. 92 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 4: This is season two. On this episode the Long Shadow 93 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 4: of Parole. 94 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: So you know, ju I don't know if this happens 95 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: to you, but at this point, I've been checking in 96 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: with Swavee basically weekly, if not multiple times a week 97 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: for years now, and you know, it's like, you can 98 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: forget that this guy is still essentially governed by a 99 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: very strict set of rules that keep him tethered like emotionally, psychologically, 100 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: spiritually to this prison past. And you know, it's bigger 101 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: than sleeping on the floor or waking up for count time. 102 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's deep. 103 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 4: You're right, because seven years out, Suave is still on 104 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 4: parole and he will be forever. And that's because he 105 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 4: has lifetime parole. And that means. 106 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 2: Basically, you're still incarcerated. You're just serving your time out 107 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 2: in society. 108 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: The thing is is that even though Suave is free 109 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: on parole, he still technically has a life sentence, but 110 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: he just gets to serve it on the outside. 111 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, and he can be so nonchalant about it, I mean, 112 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 4: but the reality still is that freedom is a privilege 113 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,119 Speaker 4: for Suave, and that privilege can be taken away pretty 114 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 4: much for anything. 115 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, So we asked him to actually list some of 116 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: the rules that he has to follow forever. 117 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: I can't travel without permission. 118 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,679 Speaker 2: I can't move from one house to another house without 119 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: asking permission. 120 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: You really can't have any interaction with the police. 121 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: I can't be around certain people. I can't go to 122 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: certain establishment. 123 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 4: Right, so he's banned forever from visiting anyone in prison 124 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 4: that he was incarcerated with, even if it's family. 125 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 3: I can't drink. 126 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 2: I cannot smoke a little bit of weed or smoke 127 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: me a Philly blunt. 128 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,239 Speaker 1: And that's even though alcohol is legal for any adult 129 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: and that weed has been decriminalized in Philly, but not 130 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: for Swave. 131 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: Can't do that because if they take the or and 132 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: come up hot as a volidation. 133 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Also, he has to pay them for this privilege. 134 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: You paying the parole bull a monthly fee to supervise 135 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: you for what. 136 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: For someone on the outside, just imagining living with all 137 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: of these rules, it sounds entirely crazy. Swave has to 138 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: be perfect one hundred percent of the time because guaiget 139 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: Go si that any little thing can literally change the 140 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: course of his life in an instant. 141 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. That means that even the most monday of things 142 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 4: that you and I never think of in our daily 143 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 4: life can become really really scary for Suave. 144 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: Today is probably the first time I take my card 145 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 2: out in six months out to a drive. I'm fucking nervous. 146 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 2: I'm shaking, I get anxiety. 147 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 4: It's a weekday and Swave usually takes the Septa bus 148 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 4: to get to work at Community College of Philadelphia, but 149 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 4: today he's got so many errands it's just not feasible 150 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 4: to take the bus. 151 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: For a lot of people, driving is something they look 152 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: forward to doing. 153 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 3: Not me, not me. 154 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: I hate fucking driving. I hate it. I don't know 155 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 2: how to deal with my anxiety. When I'm behind the 156 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: will my anxiety take over to the point where I 157 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: just want to crash the car somewhere and stop and 158 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: get out and leave it running. 159 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: So I just don't drive. I just don't drive. 160 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 4: It's a sunny day and Suave is writing in his 161 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 4: gray Hyundai. He's wearing a gray suit with a black 162 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 4: shirt underneath. He's sitting close to the wheel and he's 163 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 4: holding it pretty tight. 164 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: I am really, really, really afraid to get stopped by 165 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: the police. The minute they stop you and they find 166 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 2: out you on parole, you're getting handcuffed. Now your car 167 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: getting searched, and if you don't report that traffic stop 168 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 2: to parole. It's a violation of your conditions and that 169 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 2: could lock you up. 170 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 4: The anxiety is so bad that Swave ends up asking 171 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 4: a friend to drive him home that night. But there 172 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 4: is some hope for the future. Technically, there is some 173 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 4: legal recourse that could allow Suave to get off of 174 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 4: lifetime parole, even if it's kind of a long shot. 175 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: We gotta file for complete commotation from the parting board. 176 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 4: Commutation just means that the remaining term of his sentence 177 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 4: is completely forgiven. But it's not easy to get. 178 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 3: It's almost like hitting the lottery. 179 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: You got to have the Attorney General's vote and then 180 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 2: unanimous vote basically before it gets to the governor's office, 181 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: and then he got to consider it. 182 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: Like not easy at all. 183 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 4: The Board of Pardons doesn't state just how long after 184 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 4: a conviction they'll consider a pardon. They just mentioned that 185 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 4: they do consider the length of time. But a report 186 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 4: by the Community Legal Services of Philadelphia, who work with 187 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 4: clients that are going through this process, confirms that the 188 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 4: majority of people who are successful have been out of 189 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 4: prison for about five to ten years, depending on the offense. 190 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 3: I'm coming up by my seven years in November. 191 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 4: It might be impossible, but maybe us, maybe would that 192 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 4: feel like true freedom? 193 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 3: We have to do that. 194 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: Good afternoon, God, I haven't talked to you in a 195 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: long time, man. 196 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 3: Three years to talk all the time. 197 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: Listen, I'm gonna tell you I don't laugh at this 198 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: fleet it was you could laugh. 199 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: So on this Sunday afternoon, Save calls me like he 200 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: usually does, and he tells me about his weekend. Tells 201 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: me that he was hanging out with a group of 202 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: guys that he knew from prison. That they showed up 203 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 1: to his place for a barbecue, and you know, these 204 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: are guys that he used to be locked up with. 205 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 2: So we started off sinking karaoke with Lavo and we 206 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 2: had a we had a food drink. 207 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 4: Oh no that, Oh no, why did you say that? 208 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 3: Maria? 209 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: At that moment, I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, 210 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: because you know you can't be drinking. And then I'm 211 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: all like, oh my god, what happens if Perole calls 212 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: him right now at this precise moment. But you know 213 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: the good news is that the story didn't end up 214 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: going in that direction. 215 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: And guess what's song we end up singing? Manulo sue what. 216 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: They helped me more, I swear to God. 217 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: And then he tells me that like one of his 218 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: friends had her phone out at that moment and then 219 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: she recorded. 220 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 3: Me dancing to Mark Anthony Dan I was drunk. 221 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: Oh my God's right. I can't believe you got drunk. 222 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: I can't believe you got drunk. Actually, I've never seen drunk. 223 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 2: Sat. 224 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 3: I really enjoyed. 225 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 2: I'm having two or three of my friends that we've 226 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: done time with. You know, my friend says something to me. 227 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 2: He's like, damn, we walked the first in yard together 228 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 2: for decades and now we're sitting in your. 229 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: Backyard drinking the head and eating burned. 230 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 2: Hot dogs, and they paste sue it. 231 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: You know, it was really sweet just hearing Suavit tell 232 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: this story with so much joy and happiness. 233 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 4: But Swaba doesn't always enjoy getting together with his prison friends. 234 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 4: Part of it is parole and it can be risky 235 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 4: to be around people that are drinking or smoking wheat 236 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 4: around you. But that's not really it. It's because it 237 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 4: can get complicated for him emotionally. 238 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: I don't have the desire to meet with guys that 239 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 2: I did thirty forty. 240 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 4: Years after telling me that Swave sits with this thought 241 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 4: for a minute, then he backtracks. It's not about not 242 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 4: wanting to see the guys, but. 243 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 2: A lot of it has to do with y'all not 244 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 2: on parole. I'm on parole. It's like a reality check, like, Bro, 245 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: you really not free. Bro, You're really not free. 246 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 3: You're just alone for the ride. 247 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 4: So former joy know lifers like Suavet they're all on parole. 248 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 4: But most people who go to prison, they're going for 249 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 4: shorter terms, so they're actually coming out with a clean 250 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 4: slate after their sentence. And many of Swave's prison buddies 251 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 4: don't really have to worry about parole. After decades of 252 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 4: supporting each other in prison, the rules that guy, their 253 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 4: lives are now very different. 254 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean. Swabet tells me that he's starting to 255 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: find it harder and harder to relate and that for 256 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: a long time these were the only people in his 257 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: life who could really understand him. But it's changing. 258 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 2: Sometimes it feels like, wow, damn, man, I deserve that 259 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: chance more than you. I get that feeling sometimes like 260 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 2: you got a chance and you ain't doing shit with it. 261 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 3: Man, I deserve that chance more than you. 262 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 4: It sounds harsh, but what does it feel like to 263 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 4: know the people on the outside can't ever really understand 264 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 4: how you feel? And then Swabi's prison friends, who are 265 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 4: supposed to understand, well, they're moving on themselves. 266 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: Sometimes if oh, man, while is I'm saying this on 267 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: tape man. 268 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 3: But sometimes it just feels. 269 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 2: It just feel like, damn, I'm fucking jealous, like the fuck. 270 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 4: In January, I meet up with Swave in Atlanta, where 271 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 4: I live. Swab is in town to speak at a 272 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 4: criminal justice reform conference. Over the last five years that 273 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 4: I've been producing Suave, I've gone to Philly a lot, 274 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 4: but we never really hung out in my turf. So 275 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 4: we are in front of a waffle house right in 276 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 4: front of Centennial Olympic Park. 277 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 3: It's Alana. I love it down here. 278 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,239 Speaker 4: And while he's in town, we've been invited to an 279 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 4: artist showcase at the infamous Stanconia Studios. Suaves seems really excited. 280 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: Okay, So I know I'm supposed to know what Stankonia 281 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: Studios is, but I don't, So what is it. 282 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 4: Stanconia is the most Atlanta of all Atlanta places. I mean, 283 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 4: it's just this legendary studio where Outcasts recorded a bunch 284 00:17:55,480 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 4: of classics. Honestly, it's pretty iconic, Maria. Everyone from TLC 285 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 4: to TI to Ludacris have recorded there. 286 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: Oh my god. So like Suave a big hip hop head. 287 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: I mean, he's just got to be like, wait, what 288 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: I get to go to this studio? 289 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, he was, you know. And anyway, so we decided 290 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 4: to meet there, and that night, as I'm getting ready 291 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 4: to head out, Swavic just suddenly stops responding to all 292 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 4: my phone calls. Your call has been forwarded to an 293 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 4: automatic voice message. So the next day I finally hear 294 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 4: back from him, and it turns out he did go, 295 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 4: but he was out of there so fast, and he 296 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 4: just didn't know how to explain it to me, so 297 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 4: he just ignored my calls. So I ask him why, 298 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 4: I mean, like, what's up? What happened? We had all 299 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 4: these plans and then he just left me hanging. 300 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: We go through the Dog and you like in this 301 00:18:53,800 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 2: space hogh stage, Spaceship Smoke DJ. It was like going 302 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 2: into an outcast rack video, like for real, it was 303 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 2: like being in a video. 304 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 3: But then the. 305 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 2: Crowd, the energy, it's like WHOA. I met with my 306 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 2: friend's friend he's you know what's up, bro? 307 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 3: You good? 308 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: You know you with me? But I see the budge 309 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 2: in his waistline like I'm like, shit, everybody in here 310 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 2: has a gun. 311 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 4: And the thing is, you know a lot of people 312 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 4: in Atlanta carry a gun. It's kind of become normal 313 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 4: for me. You know, open carry is legal here in Georgia. 314 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 4: So I had never really considered that Swaven might find 315 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 4: it risky or even like upsetting until this moment. 316 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: If somebody bump in to me, I got to be 317 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 2: the one that bitch up and be like, oh my bad, 318 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: you know, because I'm probably the only one did not packing. 319 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 2: You get liud with somebody, you might get shot, seriously, 320 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 2: So I'm like, no, I'm cool, I'm out. I don't 321 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 2: like being in them places where I feel defenseless. 322 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 4: And of course he has to think about his lifetime. 323 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 2: Parole something jump off, dude, what was you even doing 324 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 2: in that he room. 325 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 3: That's the first thing that parole won't say. 326 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: The thing is Ripe is right. Anything going sideways here 327 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: could land him back in prison. 328 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 3: So better just to get out of there. 329 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 2: You know, I'm not hanging with little ray Red and 330 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: Raheem from not the block, I'm not now. When I 331 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 2: came home, I wanted it. I've wanted that seventeen year 332 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 2: old life. I wanted what I missed when I went 333 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 2: to jail, minus standing in the corner. 334 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 3: But I like, I liked that shit. I like that smoke. 335 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 2: I like I like that irving excitement where I could 336 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,719 Speaker 2: be in the corner and hit gun shots. And but 337 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 2: I'm not involved with it. But I like that shit, 338 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 2: you know I still do. 339 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 4: I mean, think about what he said about the guns. 340 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 4: Before he went to prison. He used to be one 341 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 4: of these guys, packing, talking, bold, just fearless, you know 342 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 4: how he is. But now he really can't be that 343 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 4: way anymore. The risk is too big. So it's interesting 344 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 4: and also even a little confusing. Swabe has to live 345 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 4: by all these rules, but he also pushes back on 346 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 4: them regularly. 347 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: Somebody might say, well, that's a dangerous game. They could 348 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 2: violate you truth. Those are the consequences that come with 349 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,239 Speaker 2: you making certain actions. Man, So I do a lot 350 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: of stuff that I'm not supposed to do, only because 351 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 2: I want to feel human. 352 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: When he says this, like, it really does click for me. Yeah, 353 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: We're like, it's always this balance, right of how we 354 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: live out there in the world. And in some ways, 355 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: I kind of think that we've gotten a little comfortable 356 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: with the risks that Suave takes. I mean, the thing 357 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: or not paying his parole fees on time, and it's 358 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: kind of like, haha, you know, move on, ha ha. 359 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: But the reality is that Suave is doing constant risk assessment, 360 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: deciding how much to break the rules, when and where, 361 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: how much can he live with, and how much of 362 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: this actually gives him life. And for me, it's always like, yo, bro, 363 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: why why take that risk? And you can see Suave 364 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: is struggling. And you know, I think about his past. 365 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: Is he a rule follower? 366 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 4: No? 367 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: I mean absolutely not. That has not been his identity. 368 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,959 Speaker 1: And I can see he's feeling this disconnect between his 369 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: new friends and his old friends, his new life and 370 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: his old life. He's somewhere in the middle wrestling with 371 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: this new identity. 372 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 4: Later that day, in Atlanta, Swabe and I sit across 373 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 4: from each other at the hotel lobby. He's wearing a 374 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 4: cream hoodie with a pair of matching Joggers cream and 375 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 4: mint green sneakers, and of course a Yankee sat and 376 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 4: he tells me a story about a friend from inside 377 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 4: who just got out of prison. 378 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 3: A couple of days ago. My homie just came home. 379 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,959 Speaker 4: He was able to work out or release without lifetime parole. 380 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 2: This dude was like, my brother got him a job. 381 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 2: He told me straight up, I'm not going to work 382 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: for them. No, you know, oh, they're not paying me enough. 383 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 2: And you know, I left the conversation there because the 384 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 2: that is like my brother, right, But. 385 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 4: Then the conversation went into some pretty interesting territory. 386 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 2: But then I'm thinking, like he had no restrictions, he 387 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 2: had no parole, so he freed to go anywhere he 388 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 2: wanted to go. That's dangerous. The why it's dangerous because 389 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 2: he could say I. 390 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 3: Don't want to work no way you said. 391 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 4: He came home. He's not on parole. That's dangerous. That 392 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 4: really caught my ear. 393 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 3: It's dangerous. 394 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 4: Oh that's a loaded sentence. I want to talk a 395 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 4: little more about that because we've been talking about, you know, 396 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 4: how to get you off like in parole. 397 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 2: And see what I mean, I keep telling you I'm institutionalized, right, 398 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 2: And what I mean my institutional lives. 399 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 3: I do things and patterns a b C. 400 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 2: I can't do things with A and then see, because 401 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 2: I'm like, what happened to be? 402 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 3: What was? B? 403 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 2: What I was supposed to do? And B that's because 404 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 2: I'm institutionalized. When you not on parole, you can say cool, 405 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 2: I'm gonna sleep all day and then tomorrow he smoking 406 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 2: the weed. 407 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 3: I can't do that shit. 408 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 4: So what if you had to come home without parole? 409 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 4: Are you saying that you wouldn't be in that You 410 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 4: would be no worse position. I'm really serious about this. 411 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, probably would have been in a fucked up predictament 412 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 2: because I like to do fucked up shit. 413 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 4: For so long, Swabe has talked about parole as something 414 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 4: getting in the way of his ability to succeed and 415 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 4: feeling truly free. Another hurdle, another tide of the past. 416 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: But this time Suave is saying that maybe, in some 417 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: ways it's actually parole that has led him to a 418 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: lot of the good things about his life right now. 419 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,719 Speaker 4: And you know, that's kind of a complicated concept for 420 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 4: me to grasp in that moment. I haven't never heard 421 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 4: you say this. This is really shocking for me. 422 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 2: No, it is. 423 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 3: You know, you have to be true with yourself. 424 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 4: I have to ask you, is there a part of 425 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 4: you that maybe fears getting off of lifetime parole. Let's 426 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 4: be real. 427 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 3: No, no, no, I don't fear. 428 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 4: Maybe Okay, so maybe fears not the word. But is 429 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 4: there a part of you that maybe feels like it's 430 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 4: a little safer in this moment for now to stay 431 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 4: on lifetime Pero. 432 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it's safer. I say it's more structure. 433 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: That's fair to say that. I gotta have structure. I 434 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 2: can't be like free to go, just do what you see, 435 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 2: what you think is best. 436 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 3: It's not gonna. 437 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,479 Speaker 2: Work, and it won't work from it because I know, 438 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 2: and I really I hate to say this on tape, man, 439 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 2: but it's the truth. Like I know that if I 440 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 2: didn't have that safety that work to row, I don't know, 441 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 2: I probably be in some other shit, man, because because 442 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 2: I'm really emotional and I like to act on those emotions. 443 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 2: And I realized that nobody got to tell me that. 444 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 3: So it's like a balance. It's like a balance. We're 445 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 3: keeping you safe. 446 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 4: Bro. Swabe found a way to free himself from his cage, 447 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 4: only to find himself trapped in a completely new one. 448 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 4: As long as he's on parole, he'll never be able 449 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 4: to just do what he wants, take a spontaneous trip 450 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 4: drive without looking over his shoulder, even take a little 451 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 4: weed gummy for sleep. But what does it mean for 452 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 4: Suave that this new cage is also kind of a 453 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 4: safety net? Is total freedom what he really desires after all, 454 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 4: all those years in a jail cell, many of them 455 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 4: in solitary confinement. I mean, it has to change you 456 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 4: pretty profoundly. And one of the hardest things for Suaves 457 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 4: since getting out is navigating relationships. 458 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 3: When it comes to friends. I don't even know what 459 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 3: that is. I come from a place where there is 460 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 3: no friends. 461 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: How is it that I became the mother figure in 462 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: your fucking life? Because that's not what I want to be. Well, 463 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: you know what, No, No, I don't know. 464 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 3: People don't know. 465 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they. 466 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 3: Throw it in your face. 467 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 4: That's next time on Swave. 468 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: My thanks to Julieta Martinelli for hosting this episode with me. 469 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: What you just heard, Dear Listener is the second episode 470 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: of the Suave Podcast season two. It's a rollercoaster of 471 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: an incredible story about the very long shadow of prison. 472 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: So I highly recommend you go and listen to it 473 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. 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Dan ri Veos is the 484 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: post production producer. Our production managers are Jessica Ellis and 485 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: Nancy Trujillo. Our engineers are Stephanie Lebau and Julia Caruso. 486 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: Our fact checker is Amy Tardiff. Production help from Joaquim Coppler, 487 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: Juan Diego, Ramirez, Nicole Rothwell, Joey Dilbaye, Evelyn Bardo Alvarez, 488 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: Dorim Marquez, and Tasha Sandoval. Our executive editors are Marlon Bishop, 489 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: Maria Garcia, Suave Gonzalez and myself. 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