WEBVTT - 10: It Ain’t Over ‘Til It’s Over 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:06.920 When we last spoke, Todd White, the main songwriter for 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:09.440 Sudden Impact, the boy band i've been trying to find, 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:13.000 gave me the contact info for Dave Smith. Dave Smith 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:16.120 has been the hardest Sudden Impact member to find. They 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:19.000 tell me he's the quiet one, the shy one. Tim 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:21.560 Bird says, Dave Smith turned his back on the whole 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:24.480 thing in the Motown, Philly video. Dave's the one who's 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:26.640 not looking into the camera. He's looking just off to 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:30.840 the side for direction. Dave Smith is my white whale. 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:34.080 But I have his email address, so I reach out 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:37.200 and he gets back and we plan a time to talk. 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:39.000 And here's how it goes. 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:44.200 Dave Smith, how you doing. I'm doing great, The elusive 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:45.000 Dave Smith. 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.000 I don't understand why. I'm just saw elusive. Todd told 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:48.720 me that. 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.040 You know, I was led to believe that you were 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:53.320 going to be hard to find. 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:58.000 Well, I guess everybody says that because I don't social media. 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:00.240 You know, I've never really been on any of that 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.279 stuff and never had an interest in it. 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:06.800 What's your deal? Do you have like respect for yourself 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:07.360 and your time? 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:08.520 Pretty much? 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:13.080 Okay, I've heard of people like you the elusive Dave 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:17.759 Smith is super Cool. One final shock for one final 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:38.039 episode of Waiting for Impact, a Dave Holmes passion project. 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:43.640 I have now found four of the five guys in 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.680 a group that was called at least five Things. Dave 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.120 Smith was in Sudden Impact, which became White Guys, which 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:53.240 became the Outsiders, which became Outsiders for Life. 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:54.800 Right now, he's. 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:57.400 Talking to me from his car in Orlando, Florida, where 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:00.160 he's taking time out of a family vacation to tell 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.440 me about the whole odyssey, a trip he was the 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:04.720 last to sign up for when the group was still 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:05.640 on their first name. 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:11.200 So you were the last to join Too Special, correct. 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.040 That's correct. Right around the time I joined, they were 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:18.160 already thinking about changing the name. But I believe it 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:22.600 was changed by Mike Bivins. Yeah once once we actually 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:25.480 all met him and we came up with a new name. 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:27.040 I mean he came up with a new name. 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:31.640 I finally did see the famous two Special poster, which 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:32.200 you are not in. 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:36.400 Yeah, exactly four ugly guys missing the good looking dude. 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:40.760 I'm telling you would have gotten signed that much quicker. 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:41.959 There would have been a bidding. 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.040 War had you been that's ridiculous, right. 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:45.760 How did you come to join the group? 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:51.280 Alan was one of my good friends from like sixth 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.040 seventh grade, and he knew I was going through a 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:55.480 little bit of a difficult time in my life and 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:59.399 my sister passed away when I was about fifteen. Oh sorry, 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:03.000 and he kind of just said, hey, man, you know 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:05.120 you're one of those guys. It's like cause I played 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:08.360 sports and the skateboarded like crazy and and all those 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:11.000 kind of things. And he basically just said to me, 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:12.720 you know, I think this would be a good outlet 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.400 for you. You should come to it. And then I found 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:19.960 out later that they all really liked my mustang I had, 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.400 and it was one of these like dumb things, like 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.280 they wanted me to hang out they could ride around 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:28.120 and buy a five point zero Oh no, just as 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.760 a joke in the beginning, you know, but they they 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.400 literally it wasn't like a I'm going to be dead, honest, 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:37.040 like when I'm fifteen years old. It wasn't like aspirations 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:39.160 to become a singer. Being a group at that point 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:43.360 in my life. To Todd and Alan and Aaron and 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:45.800 Noel were all together for I think about a year 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:49.280 prior to me something like that, and I came in 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:50.280 right at the end there. 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:54.920 So when Todd and Alan head off for LA with 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:58.160 the poster in the demo and then they call you 0:03:58.480 --> 0:03:59.880 and tell you that they've been. 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:04.160 Total lie in my mind what we total lie in 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:07.600 my mind, I remember telling them well, because I didn't 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:11.240 believe them. I mean, they well, they called I think 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:16.440 they called me first from my recollection and just you know, uh, 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.000 Todd said, hey, I got somebody I want you to 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:22.400 talk to, and then Mike jumps on the phone and 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:24.360 you know, in this little in his in his voice, 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:28.000 and I just totally thought they were gagging me, you know, 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:30.480 and I was like whatever, you know, and I went 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:32.760 through it and just let it go. But I really 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.320 didn't believe it until Alan had called me back later 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:38.000 and said, dude, that was really Michael Bivens, you know, 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:39.919 and you know, I was like, new addition, are you 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.279 kidding me? And I started freaking out then, you know. 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.560 But it was definitely a surreal moment once I realized 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:48.279 it was real. And I think it was like that 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.320 for the guys too, because they they finally, you know, 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.240 when they got home, they got to tell us the 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.279 full story because back then it was like, you know, 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:59.000 cost a million dollars to call from LA to Virginia, 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.559 you know, especially for sixty year olds with no money. 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:04.520 Todd and Allen say they brought Dave Smith on board 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.560 after the Michael Bivins encounter. David Aaron seemed to think 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:08.720 he was in the group before. 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:09.479 Now. 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.360 It's hard to form memories in strange times like these, 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.000 so I don't press the issue. The important thing is 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.640 that Michael Bivins is interested. He wants to get the 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:21.719 Sudden Impact project moving right away. Bivens has managed to 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:25.200 get a whole episode of Beet's nightly music show Video Soul, 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:27.960 dedicated to the acts. He's signed to the East Coast family. 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:30.440 He's going to introduce Boys to Men to the world. 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:31.440 He's going to world. 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:35.120 Premiere another bad Creation's Aisha video. For the record, this 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.760 is almost definitely the bet show that if Vtnicole Brown 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:41.400 was watching when she told her roommate she believed Michael 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:45.080 Bivins would someday manage her. The guys figured Bivins just 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.360 wanted them up there so they could meet Boys to Men, 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.280 and ABC Bivens had only just met them a couple 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:54.160 weeks before this, so they piled into Dave's legendary Mustang 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:56.839 five point zero three in the tiny back seat and 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:58.280 they drove all night to get there. 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:03.839 The first people we met physically was Mike from Boys 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.680 to Men. He came up and said, hey, you're those 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.039 white dudes that Mike's wanting to sign. We're all like 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:10.720 half to sleep on the couch because we drove to 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.039 the middle of the night, and he was super cool 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:15.560 and nice. And then Nate came down, and then wan Ya, 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.000 and then it was Boys to Men actually came down 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:21.280 first and they started talking to us and you know, 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.520 telling us their story because at this time they're not 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.200 Boys to Men, you know, they're just they're just guys. 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:27.839 They hadn't even done anything yet. 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:31.360 Sudden Impact meets Boys to Men, they meet ABC, and 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.719 then Michael Bivens comes down with a little bit of 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:34.279 a surprise. 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.080 We had no clue, at least I didn't, I know, 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:38.520 and I don't think any of the other guys did. 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.200 If they say they did their line that we were 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:46.360 gonna end up being on beet for this whole segment. 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:47.240 That's right. 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:49.880 He wants to put Sudden Impact who he hasn't really 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.680 heard sing yet on live television. 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.080 And he's like, well, let's have a little a singing 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.000 thing or something, you know, and we're like, we've only 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.279 been a group for whatever, you know, So we weren't 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:00.720 like we could all sing, but we you know, we 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.920 weren't boys to men, but you know who went first 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:05.360 as boys to men? 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.040 Boys to men? Sing Mary, don't you Weep? 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.880 And blow the roof off the green room, ABC sing 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:14.880 a few bars from Ayesha, Sudden Impact gets a little intimidated. 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.560 God, I can't remember what song were saying. It was 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:19.120 some old R and B song we had had, like 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:22.200 we just had the hook, practice and rehearsed in case 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.680 we had to sing, because at this point we had 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:28.640 no you know, they Todd and us them had a 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.280 couple songs, but they weren't really songs you could sing 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:33.960 a cappella. They were more you'd have to have music 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:35.760 to do it because it was very, very poppy at 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:37.520 the time. So that happens. 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.440 Bivens decides that Sudden Impact will do more of an 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:42.920 interview kind of a thing for their segment on Video Soul, 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:45.880 which for high school kids who were like five minutes 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.400 into their entertainment career is stressful enough. 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:52.239 Boys and Men came out, I believe, first they sang, 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:57.320 then ABC came out, debuted their video, showed themselves, and 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.680 then we were kind of like the last segment and 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:01.440 we just kind of sat down and they asked us 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.000 a couple of small questions. I think Aaron. We decided 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.240 Aaron would do the answering. We would just say our names. 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.640 That was it. And I was nervous as a heart, 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:10.320 you know, our hearts pounding out of my chest. 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:11.520 Was it live? 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:14.880 It was live? It was yeah, it was it was 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:18.160 it was oh yeah. We were just kind of a 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.840 little push at the end. But but it was like 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:23.679 crazy to us. We had no clue what's going to happen. 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:27.480 They've been on live television introducing themselves, a group that 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.680 just started existing. We will eventually release some music that 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.960 hasn't been recorded yet. Such an impact. Decide they have 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:35.959 work to do if they're going to compete with the 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.240 Boys to Men's of the World. But as you know, 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.160 before they really hit their groove, Bivins comes to them 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:42.480 with another big opportunity. 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.400 Tell me about the making of the Motown Philly video. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.600 Taking a Motown Philly. I believe at that point we 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:51.760 had gotten into the studio and we started doing some songs, 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:53.760 you know, and he was just kind of letting us 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.600 ref like doing our own thing, trying to come up 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.000 with some ideas to go to the Go to the 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.360 Motown Philly video. We found out about it from Mike 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.560 again and he asked us if we would travel up 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:05.839 because he'd really liked this to be in the video 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:09.640 with the guys, you know, more like of course, you know, 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:11.960 like we would love to do that. What are we 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:13.520 going to do? And he goes, well, I don't know yet, 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:15.480 but we'll figure something out and we're going to get 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:17.200 you in the in the video. 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:19.520 In the short time since that trip to b e 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.400 T where Boys the Men wowed the guys with their vocals, 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:26.280 Boys to Men have leveled up. Now they have stylists 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:28.319 working for them, Now they have choreography. 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:30.280 Now they're big time. 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.680 Kind of long story, shirt is, we went to the 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.400 site where they were shooting the night scene for the 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:40.400 Geno Steakhouse thing, and we were just in all of 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:42.960 the whole situation, you know, watching them in there. You know, 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:47.120 now they're dancing, like what's going on here? And because 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.679 they their show was not that polished when I had 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:51.920 seen them before, you know, it's more just standing and singing. 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.520 And now they had a whole thing going and it 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.560 was impressive and we were very excited, and you know, 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.600 and I remember in that night say, we're we're kind 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.520 of in that night scene. You have to really look 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:06.080 for us, but we're all jumping around having fun and everything. 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.720 They are in that night scene out by Gino's Stakes 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.640 if you look closely, but Bivens isn't finished. 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:11.880 With them yet. 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:13.439 And then Mike was like, well, no, I'm gonna have 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:15.760 more of a definitive shot. I had this idea where 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.920 I got a camera and he you know, he told 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.320 us what he wanted to do, and and it was 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:25.280 kind of like very fast, you know, and we're taking 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.880 his advice because he's you know, been doing it a 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.600 long time. He told us to do the point, and 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:32.559 that's what we did. We did our little point and 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:37.960 smiled and then it was it was definitely surreal, Like 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:41.040 were you nervous, Yes, a little bit, but it was 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.000 it was It's hard. It's hard to say that I 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.920 was really nervous of it because we weren't singing. I 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:50.320 think we were more excited and giggly than we were nervous. 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:52.120 At least that's how I felt it was. 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:54.600 But we do need to address the fact that Dave 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:57.960 is pointing just a little bit off camera. You're like 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:02.040 point It almost feels like your point at someone like 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:06.160 it's you're just like a little not down the barrel 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:08.520 of the camera. Was there someone else on set that 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:10.160 you were like pointing at? 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:12.800 And it was like a couple of different takes, and 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:15.640 then one of them he said to do a point 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:18.200 and we pointed, but we all happened to be looking 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:21.120 like eyeing that way, because that's our lack of professionalism 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:22.559 at that point. We have no clue, you know what 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.440 I mean. Four of us wore boys to men's t shirts, 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:30.000 white shirts with ties, and I believe I think it 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:31.800 was me. I had to end up wearing a red 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:33.800 bow tie and not a tie. It was either a 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:37.240 mirror aaron I have to look at that was one 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:38.440 of us too. I knew it was one of us. 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:41.280 One of us had a bow tie. And so we 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:43.079 got we got like the hand me downs from the 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:45.840 guy's outfits from the night before, and then there was 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.560 a neon sign and we're like with our name on 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:50.800 it already, and this is and this is you know, 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:52.360 if you look at the time frame, this was then 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:53.960 within eight weeks of meeting Mike. 0:11:54.640 --> 0:12:00.640 So then that video blows up suddenly Motown Philly and 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:02.719 you guys are everywhere. 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.760 What's that like for you? Now? That was definitely different 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:11.920 because we went from in our town from really nobody's 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:13.840 you know what I mean, Like I mean, we had 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:17.360 our friends, you know, but too you know, we couldn't 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:21.720 go into the mall, you know, like normal not around 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:25.040 that time, because just people knew who we were and 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:27.840 kids were just It's just it was kind of a 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:30.360 different time than I think it is now a little bit. 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.480 Unless you get some of these more pop acts, I 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.560 think they go a little crazier. But they weren't crazy 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:37.599 for us. I think they were crazy for the situation, 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:40.240 you know what I mean, like, oh, they're part of 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.000 the East coast SEMy because nobody heard us sing a 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:45.040 drop yet, you know, but we definitely we didn't really 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.240 we kind of stayed away from that because it's just 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.839 turned into a weird situation and none of us really 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.320 knew how to handle it, you know, being that young, 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.400 we definitely enjoyed it, you know, you know at school. 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.680 I mean like it definitely made a thousand new friends 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.640 that weren't really my friends. I'm gonna say that really 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:05.400 got weirder. Then when when BBD came on tour because 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:10.360 their tour coincided. I think the next summer after Boycemen's 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:15.120 album released and BBD was on tour, and then we 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.640 find out we're in the tour book and we're going 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:19.680 to the show. And then this is when Mike presents 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:24.080 us with those jackets, these BBD World Tour jackets. We're 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.800 all like, you know, now were you know, of course 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.679 I'm wearing them everywhere we go, and you know, now 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:31.880 our march for death. It's like everybody knows that we're 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:35.240 part of the situation. And the guys are doing really well. 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.360 ABC is doing really well. BBD's tour World Tour was 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:42.480 just sold out, and we're recording at home. 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.760 Such an impact who are still just starting out are 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.760 in Bell Biv Deevo's nineteen ninety one Official World Tour Program. 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:52.400 I know this because the second I got off my 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:54.679 zoom with Dave Smith, I went on eBay and found 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:58.920 myself a copy. It is them the original five, all 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:02.800 in giant gene and billowing nineteen ninety one shirts, posing 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:06.320 with Bivins, Boys to Men and another bad creation. I 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.840 text a picture of it to Aaron Kane and he replies, 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.480 that's all of us behind the Beet Building the day 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.559 the world got introduced to Boys to Men. 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.520 Us together with Tim, you know, we were kind of 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.320 like our little version of the Fab six. You know, 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:21.880 we went in and we did our thing, and we 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.400 were in there for a couple of months, and Mike 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.040 came and visited. He liked you know, song, x Y 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:28.800 and Z and wanted us to work harder on x 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.640 Y and Z, and we just kind of progressed from there. 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:33.840 And then throughout that time from us when all the 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.600 other things started happening. 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.080 As sudd an Impact or working on their sound, getting 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.120 ready for their moment wearing their jackets, they also have 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.200 a front row seat as their friends and Boys to 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.680 Men becomes superstars. 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:47.920 And it was like three of them came with us 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.160 to the mall and it was like watching the new 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.960 Kids on the Block or the Beatles or something. I mean, 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:59.400 people just around them and they were just like they 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:03.120 had went from being these guys that were just already 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.840 cool guys that could sing, but now they were celebrities 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.160 like they were true and they knew it and they 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:09.880 knew how to handle it, and they had, you know, 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.720 it's been a year or two had progressed and they 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:14.240 were doing much better with it, and it was it 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.680 was really surreal to see that was really cool. 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.560 So witnessing that up close, are you like I want 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:22.480 this or are you like this? 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:23.200 Is terrifying? 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:28.360 At that time, Definitely I want this one hundred percent 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:31.680 because I was I was younger, and I just you know, 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.520 you're thinking of all the girls you could meet or 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.800 whoever you want to meet, and who the famous person 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:38.840 is and that, and I could have, you know, and 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:42.280 me being where I was in my life personally losing 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:44.480 my sister young, it was just me and my parents 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.280 had gotten divorced from it. It was like a whole 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:49.640 It was a tough situation for me. So for me, 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.200 it was such an outlet and I was like, if 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.320 I can make this work and I can progress this 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.040 to a higher level, I'd be able to take care 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.840 of my mother, take care of my father, maybe they 0:15:59.880 --> 0:16:02.440 can could get along a little bit better, and it'll 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.840 just make everybody's life a little easier. So that's kind 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.480 of where I was when I was that age. 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.560 So you've got like a real personal stake in making 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:11.240 it work. 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:16.520 Yes, personally, I did, coming in last being like not 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:20.600 really supposed to be there in my mind, and I 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:23.720 wanted it to work, and I was willing to do 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:25.080 what we had to do to make it work. 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.240 An early acting teacher of mine gave me a piece 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.120 of advice that's really stuck with me. He said, when 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.720 you get an audition, do your best and then forget 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.240 about it. You might not get it, or you might 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:40.360 get it and it doesn't happen, or you might get 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:42.440 it and it does happen and you're cut out of it. 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.360 Do your best, forget everything you can control, and then 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:47.600 if it all works out, you'll have a nice surprise. 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.720 I remember hearing him and nodding and thinking, that's great 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.600 advice that I'll never do. How can you not think 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.080 about all the things you want all the time? How 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:58.240 can you not spend all your energy wishing there was 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:00.280 a time machine so you can go back and do 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:03.000 things differently. I know I can't change the past, but 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:06.600 if I think about it hard enough, can't I Over 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:10.600 time and with repetition, rejection has gotten much easier to take, 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:14.639 but it's always hard to give. In putting this show together, 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.080 I found that what I ended up talking about is 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:19.840 nothing like what I thought i'd end up talking about. 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.320 I envisioned this as a much sadder story than it's 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:24.440 turned out to be. The themes I thought i'd be 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.600 exploring got pushed to the side for bigger, better, more 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:31.760 hopeful themes. And that's great, except some of the interviews 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:34.600 I did early on don't fit now. I'm when I 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:37.159 have to cut some people from Waiting for Impact A 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:40.840 Dave Holmes's Passion project. One of them is Margaret Show, 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:43.600 and I think I owe her the respect of hearing 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:44.040 it from me. 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:48.280 Margaret, Hi, Hi, how are you. 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:50.399 I'm great? How are you? 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:53.879 I'm good. I'm good. I'm good, I'm good. 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.280 I you know, I just I feel bad about this, 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:57.800 so I just want to like come out and say it. 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.680 I'm sorry if I said I'm mysterious. I'm very sorry 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:04.240 about this, but we have to cut you from the show. 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:08.400 Oh oh yeah, it is. 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:10.280 Not you. 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:16.000 Okay, it's not you. You were fantastic. But as we 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.840 got deeper into the story. And as I found the 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:22.080 Sudden Impact guys and got deeper into it, the whole 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.200 theme of the show changed. Everything is a little bit 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.080 different now and it just doesn't what you gave us, 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:32.800 which was so good, just doesn't fit anywhere anywhere. 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:36.840 So the Sudden Impact has really suddenly impacted me. 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:43.120 It has, it has an unfortunate way, in an unfortunate way. 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:44.720 But I wanted you to hear from me, and I'm 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:46.280 just really sorry, and I really want to thank you 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:47.120 for participating. 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:53.040 Okay, well, this is disappointing, but I understand. 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:56.840 I'm not convinced. I'm not convinced. 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:00.800 It was really I really wanted to, you know, be 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.959 in this, and I moved a lot of things so 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:05.920 that I could be a part of this. And I'm 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:10.440 really you know, I just I mean, I've done so much, 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:15.000 I've given up so much, so much to do this, 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:17.440