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Speaker 1: When we last spoke, Todd White, the main songwriter for

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Speaker 1: Sudden Impact, the boy band i've been trying to find,

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Speaker 1: gave me the contact info for Dave Smith. Dave Smith

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Speaker 1: has been the hardest Sudden Impact member to find. They

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Speaker 1: tell me he's the quiet one, the shy one. Tim

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Speaker 1: Bird says, Dave Smith turned his back on the whole

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Speaker 1: thing in the Motown, Philly video. Dave's the one who's

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Speaker 1: not looking into the camera. He's looking just off to

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Speaker 1: the side for direction. Dave Smith is my white whale.

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Speaker 1: But I have his email address, so I reach out

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Speaker 1: and he gets back and we plan a time to talk.

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Speaker 2: And here's how it goes.

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Speaker 1: Dave Smith, how you doing. I'm doing great, The elusive

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Speaker 1: Dave Smith.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand why. I'm just saw elusive. Todd told

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Speaker 3: me that.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was led to believe that you were

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Speaker 2: going to be hard to find.

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess everybody says that because I don't social media.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've never really been on any of that

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Speaker 3: stuff and never had an interest in it.

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Speaker 2: What's your deal? Do you have like respect for yourself

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Speaker 2: and your time?

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Speaker 3: Pretty much?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I've heard of people like you the elusive Dave

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Speaker 1: Smith is super Cool. One final shock for one final

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Speaker 1: episode of Waiting for Impact, a Dave Holmes passion project.

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Speaker 1: I have now found four of the five guys in

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Speaker 1: a group that was called at least five Things. Dave

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Speaker 1: Smith was in Sudden Impact, which became White Guys, which

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Speaker 1: became the Outsiders, which became Outsiders for Life.

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Speaker 2: Right now, he's.

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Speaker 1: Talking to me from his car in Orlando, Florida, where

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Speaker 1: he's taking time out of a family vacation to tell

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Speaker 1: me about the whole odyssey, a trip he was the

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Speaker 1: last to sign up for when the group was still

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Speaker 1: on their first name.

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Speaker 2: So you were the last to join Too Special, correct.

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Speaker 3: That's correct. Right around the time I joined, they were

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Speaker 3: already thinking about changing the name. But I believe it

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Speaker 3: was changed by Mike Bivins. Yeah once once we actually

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Speaker 3: I mean he came up with a new name.

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Speaker 1: I finally did see the famous two Special poster, which

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Speaker 1: you are not in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly four ugly guys missing the good looking dude.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you would have gotten signed that much quicker.

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Speaker 2: There would have been a bidding.

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Speaker 3: War had you been that's ridiculous, right.

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Speaker 2: How did you come to join the group?

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Speaker 3: Alan was one of my good friends from like sixth

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Speaker 3: seventh grade, and he knew I was going through a

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Speaker 3: my sister passed away when I was about fifteen. Oh sorry,

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Speaker 3: and he kind of just said, hey, man, you know

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Speaker 1: So when Todd and Alan head off for LA with

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Speaker 3: Total lie in my mind what we total lie in

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Speaker 1: Todd and Allen say they brought Dave Smith on board

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Speaker 1: after the Michael Bivins encounter. David Aaron seemed to think

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Speaker 1: It's hard to form memories in strange times like these,

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Speaker 1: so I don't press the issue. The important thing is

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Speaker 1: that Michael Bivins is interested. He wants to get the

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Speaker 1: Sudden Impact project moving right away. Bivens has managed to

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Speaker 1: get a whole episode of Beet's nightly music show Video Soul,

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Speaker 1: dedicated to the acts. He's signed to the East Coast family.

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Speaker 1: He's going to introduce Boys to Men to the world.

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Speaker 2: He's going to world.

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Speaker 1: Premiere another bad Creation's Aisha video. For the record, this

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Speaker 3: We had no clue, at least I didn't, I know,

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: He wants to put Sudden Impact who he hasn't really

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Speaker 3: And he's like, well, let's have a little a singing

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Speaker 2: Boys to men? Sing Mary, don't you Weep?

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Speaker 1: And blow the roof off the green room, ABC sing

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Speaker 3: God, I can't remember what song were saying. It was

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Speaker 3: no you know, they Todd and us them had a

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Speaker 1: Bivens decides that Sudden Impact will do more of an

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Speaker 3: Boys and Men came out, I believe, first they sang,

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Speaker 3: That was it. And I was nervous as a heart,

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Speaker 1: They've been on live television introducing themselves, a group that

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Speaker 2: Tell me about the making of the Motown Philly video.

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Speaker 3: Taking a Motown Philly. I believe at that point we

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Speaker 4: the classic thing. So you try to get on another job,

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00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 4: and you try to get another another idea.

440
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 2: Of what's possible.

441
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 4: I guess I mean that sort of like ensures your

442
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 4: longevity in entertainment. And also it's resilience. You know, you

443
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 4: want to be able to keep going or that's when

444
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 4: you think I need a reinvention right now. Yeah, so

445
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 4: I'm gonna drop, I'm gonna drop a bunch of tiktoks,

446
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 4: or I'm gonna do TikTok challenge. I'm gonna do it

447
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 4: with somebody.

448
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 2: What you're not gonna do is give up, never.

449
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 4: Give up, never give up, Always keep on trying, always

450
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 4: keep going, and pretty soon they won't ghost you anymore,

451
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,640
Speaker 4: or you will actually literally be a go because you'll

452
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 4: be dead.

453
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 2: That's a very good point. It's a very good point, Margaret.

454
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 2: What is the boldest thing you have done in your career.

455
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 4: The boldest thing I think is just well, probably just

456
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 4: starting because I never saw queer Asian American women do

457
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 4: anything in the eighties and so that entirely the entire

458
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 4: idea of going into stand up comedy as a young

459
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 4: person was really the very boldest thing anybody could do.

460
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 4: But I didn't have any sort of thought that I

461
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 4: could do anything, and I didn't lose anything by trying.

462
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 4: So that's kind of the attitude I still have. You

463
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 4: don't have anything to lose by trying.

464
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can always try.

465
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 4: You got to keep trying, Just keep trying, just keep trying,

466
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 4: and you know it'll all sort of make sense later.

467
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 4: It makes sense in the end. You know that sometimes

468
00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 4: people have a renaissance in their seventies and eighties. Sometimes

469
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 4: it's you know, it their their their career comes becomes

470
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 4: very rewarding.

471
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 3: Very late.

472
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 4: So look to that, look to look to the examples

473
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 4: of the people who are really old around which there's

474
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 4: a lot of them. And it's also just like, you know,

475
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 4: having the time to celebrate your success and really appreciated

476
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 4: at the age that you're at, because when you're older,

477
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 4: you really appreciate everything, you know, because you've seen it all.

478
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 4: So like I think if I if I was younger,

479
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 4: younger and I did, I wouldn't have appreciated all the things.

480
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 4: Like I didn't appreciate the success that I had when

481
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 4: I was very very young, so I didn't understand it.

482
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 4: You know, Now I really appreciate it now. I'm really glad.

483
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 4: But it's like you know, I now I really appreciate

484
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 4: my longevity with everything, except for this particular project that

485
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 4: you and I are talking about right now.

486
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, again, Margaret, I'm so sorry.

487
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: I'm just very sorry, but I really thank you for

488
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: being so understanding, for participating in the first place.

489
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: You're a queen of course. Oh you're the greatest. And

490
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 2: thank you for improvising this scene with me right now.

491
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 4: We did well, I have a lot to you know,

492
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 4: I have a lot of experience and projection.

493
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

494
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 4: We even did a series we did a sea together

495
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,719
Speaker 4: that didn't get it. But they didn't even tell us

496
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 4: it didn't get picked up. They just they just like

497
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 4: acted like it never happened.

498
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: Like like we imagined it, like it was all.

499
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 4: A dream and it was a really cool show. But

500
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 4: we were ghosted, and we were totally ghosted. Nobody told us, oh, well,

501
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 4: you know, but we're better for it.

502
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: We're better for it. We shook it off. We tried

503
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: something new. God damn it.

504
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 4: You know what's new that's really good?

505
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: Claro ooh okay, and then Margaret and I talk about

506
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: pop music for another hour, which proves my old acting

507
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 1: teacher right. Margaret and I did a pilot together years ago.

508
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: We were excited a and we forgot about it. It's

509
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: a good lesson. Do your best, learn your lessons, dust

510
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: yourself off when you get knocked down, and keep walking.

511
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: If you're lucky, years later, you'll remember it and laugh

512
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: and then talk about pop music. You can survive rejection,

513
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: no matter how many times they throw it at you.

514
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 2: You just have to keep moving forward.

515
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 1: Dave Smith knows how to keep moving forward, how to

516
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: shake off the sting of rejection and get back to work.

517
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: He has faced his share of rejection, and he's still

518
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: an affable guy. He still smiles when he talks about

519
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: all of it. Nothing bad to say about anyone, no

520
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: bitterness or anger about any of the false starts. But

521
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: even he has his limits. How did you feel about

522
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: the name change to white guys.

523
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 3: Absolutely hated it. I just thought it was too straightforward.

524
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 3: So an Impact was a good name. It fit us,

525
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 3: you know, I felt, because where we want to impact

526
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 3: the scene the way it was going and progressing. But

527
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 3: we didn't even know about white guys until it debuted

528
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 3: in that video.

529
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 2: Really, so you saw it before you knew about it.

530
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 3: I saw it before I knew about it, and I

531
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 3: was like, what's that? And then like you know, of course,

532
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 3: we called Mike and he's like, no, we just everybody decided,

533
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 3: you know that you guys. Everybody says where's the white

534
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: guys at? And he became like, not a joke, but

535
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 3: it was what everybody.

536
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: Called us white guys.

537
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: As you remember, had a couple of lines in that

538
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: East Coast family one four All four, one song and

539
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: a featured moment in that video. That song actually got

540
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: some radio airplay, another potential big opportunity. The Sudden Impact

541
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: story is full of albums that got recorded and never released,

542
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 1: recording contracts that got signed and then terminated. But I

543
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: didn't know until I spoke to Dave that there was

544
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: also a big performance, a big MTV performance.

545
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 2: They got canceled at the very last minute.

546
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 3: Then the next thing I remember coming up was the

547
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 3: the MTV doing the performance live and debuting the video.

548
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 3: And this was a big deal because we're gonna all

549
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 3: sing the song live on MTV in the I don't

550
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: think it was TRL then it was something else. It

551
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 3: was it was God, it was the name of it.

552
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 3: I think it was MTV. Yeah. It was just like

553
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: a basic show and they would let artists would go

554
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: on and sing and stuff like I remember seeing like

555
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 3: I know, Nirvana sang on it at one time, and

556
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 3: a couple of a bunch I mean tons of people

557
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 3: had sung live on it, like like they showed the

558
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 3: video then they would sing or something like that. And

559
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: Mike brought us up there to do it, did a

560
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 3: lot of rehearsal for it, a lot of things, and

561
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 3: it just ended up being that Mike wasn't happy with

562
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 3: some of the people live and not I'm not not

563
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 3: I think that's what happened because we kind of just

564
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 3: it kind of got just canceled. You know, we're going

565
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 3: to debut the video. We were about to perform it,

566
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 3: and then Mike just said, right, we're not doing the

567
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 3: live part, and we really never got a one hundred

568
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 3: percent answer on it, but from like the little switches

569
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: we heard from it, it was he wasn't happy with something

570
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: about the live performance, and we asked if it was

571
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 3: us that we found out. It wasn't us at least,

572
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 3: so at least that's what we were told.

573
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 2: Were you there on set getting ready to go?

574
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 3: We were on set, we were in position, we had microphones.

575
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 3: I mean, it was happening, and then Mike came in

576
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 3: and canceled it, and it was very weird and we

577
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 3: didn't know what happened.

578
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: According to my research, this is almost definitely the nineteen

579
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: ninety two show Hanging With MTV, kind of an early

580
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: version of TRL, but without a countdown. It was hosted

581
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: by a lot of people in its run, John Norris, Duff, Kennedy,

582
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: Gail Mayron, who would go on to starr in the

583
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: movie PCU with the nineteen nineties version of Jeremy, the

584
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: one before he beat mail pattern baldness. I also remember

585
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: it being hosted by Steve Isaacs, a handsome guy with

586
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: very Chris Cornell hair. I know Steve a little bit,

587
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: so I text him and I asked him if he

588
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: was a host of Hanging With MTV and he says

589
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: he was. And then he says, I swear to God,

590
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: I just uploaded a bunch of old episodes from some

591
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: VHS tapes that were sitting in my closet for literally

592
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: thirty years. I ask if he remembers anything about the

593
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: East Coast Family coming by, and he says, yeah, that's

594
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: one of the ones I just posted. Hang on, and

595
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: he sends it it was uploaded just last week. Right

596
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: from the beginning, our guys are getting no respect, even boys.

597
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: Some men kind of forget them.

598
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 3: The East Coast Family is just the three groups I

599
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: actually four groups, and we all happen to be on

600
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: the East Coast where we live, and we all happen

601
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: to be part of vib Entertainment.

602
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: And then what was supposed to be the performance which

603
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: Bivin's canceled at the last minute, So now it's just

604
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: the video, the title of which Steve gets wrong, like

605
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: we all do.

606
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,239
Speaker 3: All right, there's some groups looking out for each other,

607
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: and here there are all together with one for all,

608
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 3: all for one.

609
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: Steve is now just kind of bobbing his head.

610
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: He's on camera a couple seconds longer than he expected

611
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: to be because the control room is scrambling. I've been

612
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: in this position before on live TV on MTV, where

613
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: you think one thing is gonna happen, but the plan

614
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: changes at the last second. The director has to make

615
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: a new plan on the fly. A producer's yelling into

616
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: your ear piece. That post performance interview gets scrapped, So

617
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: now you've got to fill time.

618
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: That's what's happening here. That's what you're listening to. How's

619
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: it going?

620
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 3: I'm Steve Isaacs.

621
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 2: There you have if that's today's first look video from

622
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: the East Coast Family, All for One for All, All

623
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: for One.

624
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: We're out marketing ourselves up here.

625
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: We're I'll let you know how we feel coming up though.

626
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:43,479
Speaker 3: We've got Todd one.

627
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: I asked Steve whether he remembers any of this, the

628
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: East Coast Family performance getting canceled, and he says not offhand,

629
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: I get it. I wouldn't either. Dave Smith does, but

630
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: he doesn't hold a grudge over it. What kind of

631
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: manager was Michael Vivins.

632
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: When we first when we first started, he was honestly,

633
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 3: he was really good. I mean he kept in contact

634
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: with us every couple of weeks or so make sure

635
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 3: we knew what was going on. He tried to explain

636
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 3: to us that, you know, there's not a lot going

637
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: to happen early on in this situation because we still

638
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 3: have to establish music and things before he could really

639
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 3: push things into a certain direction. And I think but

640
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: for the most part, we all got it. You know,

641
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: of course, everybody is frustrated waiting and all those kind

642
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 3: of things, but you know, he always came and showed

643
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: some love. You know, he's come in and you know,

644
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 3: drop drop us a jacket and say, hey, you're part

645
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 3: of this. You know, don't get frustrated. It's not gonna

646
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 3: it's not going to just end. You know. Sometimes he

647
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 3: would occasionally fly us out to LA and visit him.

648
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: You know, we go to his house and hang out

649
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 3: with him, shoot basketball or something, and you know, so

650
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 3: I don't think it was in the beginning. He was

651
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 3: he was very attentive, but you know, he only had

652
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 3: three or four acts, you know what I mean, in

653
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: my opinion, But as we went through the progression of it,

654
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: and you know, everybody showed up and he had that

655
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 3: and the record label and all that, it was, it

656
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: was less of him. And I don't think he wanted

657
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 3: it that way. I really don't, you know, I never

658
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: got that feeling. I just feel like he kind of

659
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: it kind of whirlwind on him, and he was trying

660
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: to put the right people in the right places to

661
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 3: help this thing work, and it just wasn't working fast

662
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 3: enough the way he wanted it to work. And I

663
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 3: think that's ultimately where that demise came from us to them,

664
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: because we got so it got so long in waiting

665
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 3: and we couldn't get it the answers we wanted that

666
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 3: we kind of wanted to separate because we felt like

667
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 3: we had enough, we had enough music at that point

668
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: that we could we could shop ourselves. You know, we're

669
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 3: a little cocky at that point, you know, for some

670
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 3: for some odd reason.

671
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: So how did that relationship end.

672
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 3: It was, I mean, it was kind of just like

673
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 3: it just paid it away, you know what I mean.

674
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: There was never like a phone call like all right,

675
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 3: you know, no harm feelings or any of that kind

676
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 3: of stuff, or it was just like at the time

677
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 3: it elapsed, and I think he knew, and you know,

678
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 3: we had to hire our lawyer at that point to

679
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 3: to negotiate us getting out of this situation so we

680
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: could try to move forwards. And it just kind of

681
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 3: just paid it. I don't I don't remember a distinct,

682
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: abrupt like this is over situation, like you know, I.

683
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: Never got to say bye to Mike, so you didn't

684
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: then get to say goodbye to mic.

685
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 3: No, I don't remember anything in that aspect of it.

686
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 3: I mean, not like I mean at this point, I mean,

687
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 3: BBD was so huge and they were working on their

688
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 3: second album, and then he was doing that new addition

689
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 3: reunion album, and Voice to Men was like, you know,

690
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: selling millions of records. At that point, they had surpassed,

691
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 3: like you know, everybody in R and B. At that point,

692
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,959
Speaker 3: it just went in. It was so crazy that I

693
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 3: just I just think there was a lot going on

694
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 3: for Mike, and and I don't think he ever wanted

695
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 3: it to be that way. I think he I think

696
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 3: if he had such a good heart in my mind,

697
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 3: that he wanted everybody to be super famous like Boys

698
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 3: to Men if he could. And I don't even think, honestly,

699
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 3: there was a point when I was younger I thought

700
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 3: it was about the money. But then as I thought

701
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 3: about it as I got older, the age he was

702
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 3: and the way he spoke to us, the way he

703
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 3: spoke to everybody else. He really wanted everything to just be.

704
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 3: He just wanted it to help other people the way

705
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 3: he was helped when he was younger to make hisself better.

706
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 3: So I don't look on it look back on it

707
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 3: negatively in any kind of way.

708
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 2: Tim Byrd has told us what happens next.

709
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: They record some new demos with some producers in Teddy

710
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 1: Riley's circle, and they bring them to Boys to Men.

711
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: But the way Dave tells this story adds a visual

712
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 1: element that I cannot get out of my mind.

713
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: And so we basically recorded a bunch of new stuff together,

714
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 3: and our goal was, all right, we know the biggest

715
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 3: R and B group in the world. We're gonna be

716
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 3: able to talk to these guys somehow. And then they're

717
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: going world tour with Babyface, And I remember they came

718
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: into town and we didn't buy tickets because we were

719
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: just like, that's just idiotic, because we're gonna get stuck

720
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 3: in the arena and not see them. Myself. Aaron and

721
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 3: I believe Alan it might have been nol. We decided

722
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: we're just gonna walk up behind the Hampton Coliseum and

723
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 3: we're just gonna they're gonna see us. You know, that's

724
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 3: how we're gonna make it happen. And we walked back

725
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 3: there and we stood there and stood there and it

726
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 3: was I mean it, maybe twenty minutes went by and

727
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 3: we saw Big Aunt walk out of the tour bus

728
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 3: and we yelled Aunt and he turned around started laughing

729
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 3: and he hadn't seen us in like a year and

730
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 3: a half something like that. He walked over and said,

731
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: hold on a minute, and we walked straight backstage to

732
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 3: the guys, and we were like, they still remember us,

733
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 3: you know, And you know, you don't know at that

734
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 3: point because they're thirty five million at this time. You know,

735
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 3: they're huge.

736
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: We've heard the ending we know Boys to Men signs

737
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: them to their label. But still Dave telling me about

738
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: him and the guys standing by the backstage gate waiting

739
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: to be noticed by the old friends who become superstars.

740
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking and inspiring at the same time. They're determined

741
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: to make it happen. They're wise enough not to let

742
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: vanity get.

743
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: In the way.

744
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: These guys are good, but we also know what happens

745
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: after that. They don't get dropped so much as the

746
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: label just disappears. They're back to square one again for

747
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: the third time, and none of them can legally drink.

748
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, what did that feel.

749
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: Like for you?

750
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 3: Very stressful because you know, at this point, I'm like

751
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 3: nineteen somewhere around there. We're out of school, so we're

752
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 3: putting one hundred percent into this.

753
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: Now.

754
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: It stressed us out as a group, like immensely, like

755
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 3: kind of driving a knife between us a little bit.

756
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 3: Everybody's like pointing fingers at each other a little bit,

757
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 3: like why did this happen? Why didn't that happen? And

758
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 3: who did this? And who did that? You know, And

759
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 3: none of it was really any of our end visual faults.

760
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 3: I think it was just it just wasn't the right

761
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 3: time for that to happen. And you know, I don't

762
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,959
Speaker 3: I don't look back on it. I mean, at the time,

763
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 3: I'm sure I was really pissed, but I was nineteen

764
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 3: years old and I already had three record deals at

765
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 3: the time. What was I complaining about? You know, I

766
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 3: should have shut up and just been happy with who

767
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 3: I had.

768
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: See, that's a good attitude. This isn't even my story,

769
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: and I'm frustrated for him. In Dave's mind, the whole

770
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: project finally ran aground once and for all because of

771
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: two major tragedies back to back.

772
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 3: Long story short, we pushed on more record deals and

773
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: did got a lot further than we did with the

774
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: two special sudden impact as far as a group is concerned.

775
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 3: I actually got songs on the radio, and then you know,

776
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 3: nine to eleven happened and Leah happened, and it tore

777
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 3: our world down. And I think it would have been

778
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 3: a much different world for us if those two things

779
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 3: didn't happen consecutively in the same year.

780
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: If you could talk to my vins, now, what would

781
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: you say to him?

782
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: I don't know. I would just kind of just tell him,

783
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 3: you know that there's no hard feelings for that whole situation,

784
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 3: like you know I because I would think when you're

785
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 3: that age, you know, I'm thinking back, if I was

786
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 3: that young and I had that much talent that I

787
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 3: was supposed to portray to the world and then you

788
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 3: let down a lot of people that he had to

789
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 3: have a lot of mental stress go on. I would

790
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 3: think that he didn't fulfill his dream, but a lot

791
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 3: of other people's dreams and I don't and I don't

792
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: think he did anything malicious, But I just wanted to

793
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 3: know that. You know, I appreciate what he did for us.

794
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: It was something I'd never changed. I got to see

795
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: and do things that most people ever ever do in

796
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: their life, and it always due to him earlier on

797
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 3: in my life. Every single bit of it, even the

798
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 3: part that was even more impactful later as us as

799
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 3: a group, you know, that wasn't with Aaron and Nola.

800
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: Was all started from the day Todd and then met

801
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 3: him in La So I, you know, I just say

802
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: thank you because you know, I have great memories tonight,

803
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 3: I got stories to tell. Like my twenty year old

804
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 3: has no clue about half of this stuff. She's just

805
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 3: heard some of my songs, like cause you know, I'm big,

806
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 3: Like I don't want to hear in too much cussing.

807
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 3: And you know, even though she you know, she's an

808
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: adult now, I'm still trying to be dad. But she's

809
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 3: just blown away. She's like, can't believe the stories, and

810
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 3: so it's fun. I'm like handing it down. I gave

811
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: her my my BBD jacket. She wears it, has it,

812
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 3: has it on the internet and all that stuff.

813
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: That BBD Tour jacket, the jacket that made the Boys

814
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: popular in high school, lives on as Instagram content for

815
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: a whole new generation.

816
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: It's the circle of life.

817
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: So it didn't happen for such an impact, but they

818
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: didn't walk away from the experience empty handed.

819
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 3: We all became very, very independent on how we were

820
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 3: gonna make ourselves be successful in life. Within two years,

821
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: I you know, I started my own construction business and

822
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 3: I've had it since and i've and I'm really successful now.

823
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 3: I'm doing really good. And you know, I could take

824
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 3: my family to a trip in Orlando for two weeks

825
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 3: and do all the things and I can't. I can't complain,

826
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: especially with the way the world is right now. It's been.

827
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 3: It's been crazy musically, and I think we're going to

828
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 3: about to get like a whirlwind of great music and

829
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 3: personally coming from this long sit with all these great

830
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 3: musicians out there now.

831
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: By the way, after our conversation, I do email Dave

832
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: Smith and I do ask about who are you and

833
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: whether it was a dis track and who that dis

834
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: track was dissing, and he says that song was made

835
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: with a lot of emotion about how things went down

836
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: with boys to men.

837
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: Aaron and Noel.

838
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: We were young and not happy with how things went,

839
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: and a week or so after that, Aaron Kane texts

840
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: me and says, Hey, I just want you to know

841
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: we're all talking again. So now, thirty plus years after

842
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: the poster, twenty plus years after the breakup, any lingering

843
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: bad feelings among the guys are just water under the

844
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: Chesapeake Baper. Here's the thing. I like these guys. I'm

845
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: rooting for these guys. They went for it. Aaron Kane

846
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: walked away from what could have been a baseball scholarship

847
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: to devote his time and energy to Sudden Impact, and

848
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: he still makes music, and he still believes the whole

849
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: thing was worthwhile.

850
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: Tim Bird still produces music.

851
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: He's still honored to have been in the orbit of

852
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: Michael Biffin's still thinks Michael should be proud of the

853
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: work he did with the East Coast family. Todd White

854
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: still writes music. Alan Healey comes up and collaborates. Sometimes

855
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: they smile when they talk about these times. No, they beam.

856
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: The whole experience allowed Todd to get what he wanted

857
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: when he was younger, which was to stay out of jail,

858
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: and it allowed Alan to do what he wanted to

859
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: do when he was younger, which was to hang out

860
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: with Todd Noel Kine is not great at returning emails

861
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: in a timely fashion, but listen, I have no room

862
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: to throw stones. And Dave Smith, the quiet one who

863
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: turns out to be anything, but got into the whole

864
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: thing with the hopeful heart of a child. He thought

865
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: maybe if he hit the big time, became a pop star,

866
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: made enough money, he could heal his parents' broken hearts,

867
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: help them get over their daughter's death, make them love

868
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: each other again. And now here he is, years later,

869
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: still happy it all happened. I remember what my friend

870
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: Scott Gimple said to me back at the beginning of

871
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: this show about how he doesn't believe in endings.

872
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 3: My still holding onto that hope, which is a kin

873
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 3: to the hope that I had back in ninety one.

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00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: Like, oh, I can't wait to see this. I still

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Speaker 2: have that because I don't like thinking.

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Speaker 3: That it's over for anybody.

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Speaker 2: I think about the very last thing Todd White said

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Speaker 2: to me in the last episode.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely not I mean, his connection wasn't great, but

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Speaker 1: what he said was, it's definitely not over, man, And

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Speaker 1: even over a.

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Speaker 2: Bad zoom connection. I could tell he meant it.

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Speaker 1: I still don't know what sudden impact sounds like, but

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Speaker 1: having taken a good long look at the whole story,

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Speaker 1: now I know what they did. I know they got

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Speaker 1: knocked down and they kept getting back up. I know

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Speaker 1: they shook off the disappointment and frustration and move moved

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Speaker 1: forward by being bold again and again. Their story may

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Speaker 1: not be over, but whatever happens for them next, I

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Speaker 1: have my answer as to why I never stopped thinking

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Speaker 1: about sudden impact. It's because they kept reminding me to

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Speaker 1: be bold. They didn't mean to, but that's the way

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Speaker 1: these things work. This three second moment of a nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety one music video is one of the many weird

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Speaker 1: things that keep popping into my head. My brain is

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Speaker 1: full of things that I am told are frivolous or

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Speaker 1: forgettable or unserious, and when I believe that they are.

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Speaker 1: When I try to make myself a person who cares

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Speaker 1: about more practical things, I mostly fail. When I remind

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Speaker 1: myself that it's not only okay to be the kind

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Speaker 1: of person who cares about these kinds of things, it's

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Speaker 1: actually necessary.

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Speaker 2: I tend to do all right.

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Speaker 1: When I tried to be a straight, preppy lawyer, I

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Speaker 1: didn't do too well. When I took a chance on myself,

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Speaker 1: my real self, it worked out. I can do passable

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Speaker 1: work as someone else, but I can only ever really

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Speaker 1: succeed if I'm me.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that lesson will stick this time.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot about what Ivet Nicole Brown said

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Speaker 1: to me back in our second episode about watching that

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Speaker 1: episode of Beet's Video Soul where Michael Bivens introduced the

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Speaker 1: East Coast family and how certain she was that he

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Speaker 1: was going to manage her. I just knew that he

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00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: was part of my destiny, she said. Or God knew

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Speaker 1: what was going to happen and put it in my mind.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's what got me out of bed on that

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Speaker 1: April morning in nineteen ninety eight to stand in line

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00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 1: in front of MTV. Maybe it was a divine intervention

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00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 1: that kept me from going back to sleep. Or maybe

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Speaker 1: it was that better, more evolved self, the one that

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Speaker 1: we think we're going to be when we make ambitious plans,

923
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Speaker 1: reaching out from the future and giving me a gentle

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Speaker 1: shake by the shoulder. Whatever it was, I listened to

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00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: that instinct and I took a wild chance. So did Evet,

926
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Speaker 1: So did Sudden Impact, So did everyone I have spoken

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Speaker 1: to in this show. The writer in theologian Howard Thurman said,

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Speaker 1: don't ask what the world needs, Ask what makes you

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Speaker 1: come alive, and go do it, because what the world

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00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: needs is people who have come alive. That thing you're

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Speaker 1: obsessed with, whether it's a moment in pop culture or

932
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: bowling history or dog Halloween costumes, that thing that you

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00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: feel a little strange telling people about, that's you.

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Speaker 2: Maybe when you look at that.

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Speaker 1: Motown Philly video again, you'll know that they're pointing at you,

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00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: reminding you to be bold like they were. And if

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00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: you're looking for inspiration to take a wild chance of

938
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: your own, maybe that point can be it.

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Speaker 2: Got a thing you want to make, Start it. Don't

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00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 2: think you're ready start it anyway. Get pushed down, get up,

941
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: need a hand, ask for one. Make your thing. We

942
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Speaker 2: need it, We need you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're all pointing at you. This has been an

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Speaker 1: exactly right production. Written by Me Dave Holmes, produced by

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Speaker 1: Hannah Kyle Crichton, recorded, mixed and sound. I'm designed by

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Speaker 1: Andrew Eapen, Additional engineering and assembly by Annalise Nelson, Music

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Speaker 1: by Ben Wise, artwork by Garrett Ross. Executive produced by

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