1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club. 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 3: Morning, everybody in Steve j Envy, Jesse, Laris, Charlamage, the guy. 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 3: We are the Breakfast Club. We got some special guests 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 3: with us this morning. We got the brother Charles Coleman 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 3: and try mainly welcome. 7 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 2: Peace, peace, morning, Morning, morning. 8 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: How's everything we. 9 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 4: Blessed black and Holly, favor and everything good. 10 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: How y'all feeling, man, I'm glad to be here, man, 11 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: super glad to be here. Glad we can make this happen. 12 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 2: In the world. But we were here. We're talking it 13 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: out absolutely. I loved what y'all was doing. 14 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 4: I love the black men in America the Road to 15 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 4: two thousand and twenty four. 16 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 5: Why was that important to do? 17 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 6: You know, it's always important for us to in our positions, 18 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 6: to center black men. 19 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: Right. 20 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 6: We understand that we are absent in so many spaces, right, 21 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 6: financial spaces, various. 22 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: Institutions, in certain neighborhoods. 23 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 6: But for us to be able to elevate our voices 24 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 6: the center black men because sometimes we know brothers feel 25 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 6: like they're not getting attention at home, they're not getting 26 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 6: attention from candidates, they're not getting the attention that they deserve. 27 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 6: So Charles and I came together and said, we have 28 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 6: this platform, so why not elevate voices. 29 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: And I also think that when you're just talking about 30 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: our discourse now politically, we have a very lazy way 31 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: of looking at it. And when I say we, I'm 32 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: talking about our community. And one of the reasons why 33 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: is because we like to say, go vote. But that's 34 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: kind of sort of with the pretext that you're voting 35 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: in the way that I feel aligned with my interest. 36 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: If you're not, I'm not necessarily keen on that. And 37 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: what we wanted to do was present a variety of 38 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: perspectives in a way that was balanced, that was fair, 39 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: that allow people to see, all right, I may not 40 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: agree with that ideologically, but I understand this part of 41 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: the conversation. And so that was like really really important 42 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: to both of us. 43 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 4: Why does it feel like, you know, they already setting 44 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 4: it up to if Donald Trump gets back in the 45 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 4: White House, it's going to be black men's fault. 46 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 6: What they're always going to think about it is they 47 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 6: don't send the message right. When the message isn't received properly, 48 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 6: and you don't motivate folks, you don't explain why you're 49 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 6: the better candidate. 50 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: It's almost as. 51 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 6: If they are requiring and demanding one hundred percent fealty 52 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 6: that eighty seven percent of black men voting a certain 53 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 6: way isn't enough, and they will most certainly blame us 54 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 6: when we don't show up, when their messaging wasn't resonating properly. 55 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: I'll give you an easy one, because you need a 56 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: bad guy, right, like you need a bad guy, You 57 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: need a villain in this political conversation. And unfortunately we 58 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: are in America, and you know, it's easier to paint 59 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: us as the bad guy rather than to look at data. Right, Like, 60 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: if you look at the data, if Donald Trump were 61 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: to win, there's no question that college educated white women 62 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: and uneducated white women who are voting would have had 63 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: a huge hand in that. Right, Instead of looking at 64 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: the demographics that point to a particular area, it's easy 65 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: to say, I like this narrative, We're gonna put it 66 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: on black men, and so I think that that's really 67 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: the answer, is like, you need a villain, and so 68 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: to compensate for the fact that, to Tremaine's point, you 69 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: did not do your job, Like it's amazing to me 70 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: how in our conversation about the elected officials that want 71 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: our votes, we will put more onus on the voter, yes, 72 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: who's dissatisfied, rather than on the candidates who have failed 73 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: to satisfy the. 74 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 6: Voters and the refusal to actually engage. They're gonna spend 75 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 6: the money to get out the vote at the last minute. 76 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 2: Souls to the polls. 77 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 6: You don't try to get people in church service and 78 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 6: get them to the polls as opposed it, which I first, 79 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 6: I hate that they put a little twang in their 80 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 6: voice too, Souls to the polls, the little sauce on it. 81 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 6: But they're gonna wait till the very last minute instead 82 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 6: of actually engaging with the community daily, right being the 83 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 6: community set roots up so people know you're there. Talking 84 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 6: to brothers all around the country. What they say is 85 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 6: they don't ever ever acknowledge us. I was talking to 86 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 6: a brother the other day and he said, even with 87 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 6: Donald Trumps fullishness, with the sneakers, the sneaker con and 88 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 6: all that, at least the devil saying your name. You 89 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 6: want somebody to say your name, at least he's saying it. 90 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 6: And when he said that, at least the devil saying 91 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 6: your name. It sounds like, you know, it sounds wild, 92 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 6: but at least there are some overshures there. 93 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm being curious that, you know, where did 94 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: you become this lightning ride of like controversy around black 95 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: men in the vote. No. I was trying to have 96 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: this conversation with somebody and I was trying to go back. 97 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, ABC News, that's new. You 98 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We all know if you don't 99 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: vote for me, if you ain't black, well you know 100 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: all that. But I was just like, why is it. 101 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: Where did this sort of honestly conversation come from. 102 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 4: I think it's because left wing media does not do 103 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 4: a good job of pushing the narratives they want, and 104 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 4: they do a good job of pushing right wing media narratives. 105 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 4: For example, if I'm on something like this Week ABC 106 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 4: and I say Donald Trump is the threat a democracy, 107 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 4: Donald Trump's a fascist, Donald Trump let an attempt to 108 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 4: cool his country, And then I say, what, Joe Biden 109 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 4: is an uninspiring candidate who. 110 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: Don't have no main energy. 111 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 4: Fox will take that part and highlight it, and instead 112 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 4: of the left taking the first part of what I 113 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 4: said in highlighting that they'll just respond to what Fox said, 114 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,679 Speaker 4: and then it becomes this easy villain. 115 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: Though, easy villain, easy villain. 116 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,799 Speaker 3: I think, you know, sometimes I feel like it should 117 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 3: go back to the days where you don't know who 118 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 3: somebody's candidate is, right, You just talk about voting and 119 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 3: getting people to get out there to vote, and you 120 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 3: hear both sides or all three sides if you're talking independent, 121 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 3: and nobody talks about who they voted for, because I 122 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 3: think that creates a form of almost like I'm shaming 123 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 3: you because you're voting independent, or I'm shaming you because 124 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 3: you're voting Republic, or I'm shaming you because you're voting Democrat, 125 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 3: right because you said, you know, we should vote for 126 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 3: our interests, right, But if somebody's interest doesn't, you know, 127 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 3: fall on Jess's interests, why should I have to go 128 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 3: that way? And then if I say I'm voting independent, 129 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: oh you vote independent, you ef it up to vote. 130 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 5: You know, he can't win, And I think it really 131 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 5: clouds things. 132 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: My mom and my dad never talked, you know, to 133 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 3: their friends about who they were voting for. 134 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 5: They talked about everybody should go register and. 135 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 3: Vote and what it meant to vote, but they never 136 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 3: really talked about what candidate they were voting for. 137 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 6: The choices have become so stark though, so it's not 138 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 6: just a world where idea electrickle down economics or policing 139 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 6: in this country, or even voter issues. It's become clearly 140 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 6: there are these white supremacist impulses embedded in our politics now, 141 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 6: and so it's unfair that now we have to expose ourselves. 142 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 6: And sometimes you have the ideas of a democratic plantation 143 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 6: and you got to stick to this side of that side. 144 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 6: But the stakes are so high that I think it's 145 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 6: a legitimate concern of how folks are arriving at their vote. 146 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 6: They should have we should have full access of the 147 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 6: franchise if you don't, but you should be able to 148 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 6: have complete independence and be able to keep it to yourself. 149 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 6: But I think in this environment it's become dangerous. 150 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: I agree with MV in the sense that we know 151 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:22,119 Speaker 1: that shaming people does not result in folks going to vote. 152 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: It does not. Shaming people is not a successful strategy, 153 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: is not a productive strategy. I think this solution ultimately 154 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: is to create a space that allows for informed perspectives 155 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: to have a voice and for people to become educated. 156 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 6: And it's called black men in America, wrote twenty Night four. 157 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: That's the fact. 158 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: It's on peacock right now, check us out, so we outside, 159 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: So you know, that is definitely a thing. I think 160 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: that the other side to it is it's incumbered upon 161 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: us to stop going through this cycle where we either 162 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: a don't where we stay uneducated about the entire process 163 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: of specific engagement, or b choose not to share what 164 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: we know with other people on the off years, right like, 165 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: how many times are we gonna be like, well, you 166 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: gotta do this because it's the less of two evils, 167 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: or you're gonna go ho. The problem that that people 168 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: on the left that are terrified about another reign of 169 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: Donald Trump are having is that you had four years 170 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: and you didn't do anything with it to get people 171 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: to understand or to get people to feel like this 172 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: is what's gonna be different. And now you want to 173 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: sort of do a rush job and shame people to 174 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: Envy's point or scare people to the. 175 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 6: Other pointsuise again every cycles, and that. 176 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: Is not an effective strategy. And so I think that 177 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: if you're gonna get to a place where you're talking 178 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: about people just sort of being able to, you know, 179 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: discuss what their interests are and vote along those lines. 180 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: They have to become educated where that's something that I don't. 181 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 3: Think people like to have conversations, right Like, so you 182 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,239 Speaker 3: look at I'll just take Floyd Mayweather, right So, Floyd 183 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 3: Mayweather a couple of years ago said he was voting 184 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 3: for Donald Trump, and everybody the whole black community hated him, 185 00:07:58,520 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: gave the middle finger, turned. 186 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 5: Their back, whatever, whatever. 187 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 3: But nobody ever asked them why why he felt that way, 188 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: you know, or why are you not voting for Joe 189 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 3: Biden during that time because he might have felt like, well, 190 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 3: Joe Biden did this to me, or my father told 191 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 3: me that when he passed this lord affected him. And 192 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 3: we never asked why to have those conversations. We're so 193 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 3: quick to turn our back on somebody that doesn't necessarily 194 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 3: agree that what we have, and we just hate to 195 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 3: have conversations. 196 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: I'll give you an example and then sort of an anecdote. 197 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: Number one, My biggest concern in this entire discussion is 198 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: that as black people, we are negotiating our views around 199 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: blackness based off of whether you agree with the candidate 200 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: who I agree with. That is deeply problematic. 201 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 2: Right. 202 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: Imagine you have a disagreement with someone in your community 203 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: who looks like you, about someone who's respectfully not in 204 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: your community, and because they don't align with your choice 205 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: of someone who's not in our community, you are now 206 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: then trying to invalidate their blackness. I'm not about to 207 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: be argued you over the white people. 208 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: That is absurd, right, So I'll give I'll give you a. 209 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,599 Speaker 6: Great percent the whole conversation to the lands of the 210 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 6: white caves. 211 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll give you a great example real quick. I 212 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: have a friend. He's a plumber in Chicago. He employs 213 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: all black people because he believes in supporting black people 214 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: and teaching black young men and women trades. He is 215 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: having trouble bidding on contracts because of the influx of 216 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: immigrant labor into the city of Chicago, and other contractors 217 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: are underbidding him because they're paying their contractors, their their 218 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: employees under the table a lot less. So he's like, look, 219 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: on this immigration issue, I actually feel like I'm more 220 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: aligned with what conservatives are saying than what Democrats are saying. 221 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: And I want to support black I want to support 222 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: black people. I want to employ black people, I want 223 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: to put money into the black community. You can't tell 224 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: me that this man is anti black because he has 225 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: that position. So when you talk about priorities, it shapes 226 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: out in very different ways for very different people. 227 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 6: But you also can't ignore the fact that when you 228 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 6: align yourself on a singular interest or a singular issue, 229 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 6: that you're also in bid with a whole bunch of 230 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 6: other people, namely white supremacists. If you're a Republican, it 231 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 6: doesn't make your white supremacist, But if you're white supremacists blatantly, 232 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 6: you're probably a Republican. Not to disavowed the idea that 233 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 6: there are white supremacist, racising Democratic Party. You know, everyone 234 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 6: who was in the fighting for the Union didn't necessarily 235 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 6: think black people were equal. They just believed in this 236 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 6: idea of the Union. And so they are white supremacists 237 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 6: on both sides. But that side on the right now 238 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,599 Speaker 6: it's become part and parcel of the party now, and 239 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 6: especially with Donald Trump's recent take over the RNC, expectancy 240 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 6: more of that. 241 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 2: So what do what do Democrats do? 242 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 4: Because you know, the messaging of fear, I don't think 243 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 4: it is going to work in twenty twenty four. 244 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 5: But this is the year we should actually be afraid 245 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 5: because you. 246 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 4: Know, we've been hearing the same rhetoric, rhetoric every election cycle, right, 247 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 4: every president's election cycle. 248 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: It's attached to democracy. 249 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 4: This candidate, specially Republicans, they always demonize them active democracy. 250 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: This is the time it actually is. But you can't 251 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: make people believe it because you've been saying it for years. 252 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 6: No, I really don't understand that. So last night I 253 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 6: was in an off the record conversation with some folks 254 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 6: in the White House, and I had very same conversation 255 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 6: about why aren't. 256 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: You, you know, going to the community. 257 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 6: People don't even even when you look at the charts 258 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 6: and unemployment and wealth and everything is on the rise 259 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 6: from Donald Trump, but the people don't feel it. And 260 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 6: they're still trying to figure out the messaging. They say, 261 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 6: you know, we know we're trying to figure out the messaging. 262 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 6: You're supposed to be the big ten party filled with 263 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 6: empowered black people all across this country, and you're still 264 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 6: trying to figure out how to communicate with black men 265 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 6: and the way we live so segregated in this country, right, 266 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 6: you know, where the black people are. You know what 267 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 6: institutions they're in, what neighborhoods they're in. You know, the 268 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 6: power brokers, those in the working class, the middle you 269 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 6: know who they are. Why aren't you still going to them? 270 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 6: They're still trying to figure out how to message all 271 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 6: this good news. But to your point earlier, but still 272 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 6: responding in that white supremacist kind of echo chamber, it's 273 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 6: not doing that, man, services. 274 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: I think it's really a matter of an inability to 275 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: acknowledge their failures. 276 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 2: So part of what ail or refusal or refusal. 277 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, correct, a refusal that is couched as an inability. 278 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: That's a that's a great point. I think that part 279 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: of why the messaging is falling flat is you can't 280 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: say to me, you can't talk to me about all 281 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: of the things you're gonna do, all the great things 282 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna that you've done, as if this is is 283 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: this rosy picture without acknowledging, Yo, we don't mess them 284 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: up before. We got a lot of work that we 285 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 1: need to do, and we acknowledge that. So for as 286 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: long as that is treated as a cardinal sin, like yo, 287 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: we can't really talk about that because we're going to 288 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: alienate white voters. The messaging in terms of black people, 289 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: and in large part black men, is going to fall flat. 290 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 6: The political calculus that it takes to say, you know what, 291 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 6: we know this is, this is right, but we speak 292 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 6: about black men too loudly. 293 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: We know what's gonna happen. 294 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 6: It's gona be a backlash, a MEYDI, not just from 295 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 6: from the right, but also in that center part of 296 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 6: your own party. 297 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 4: You ho tepl but you know, even with Dad, it's like, yo, man, 298 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 4: when I hear that, it's like, yeah, I'm a vote, 299 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 4: But how can I ever truly support you if you 300 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 4: don't even want to say my name in public? 301 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: I ain't no hope. 302 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: You know why? 303 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 4: Why is talking about black men? Talking about black people 304 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 4: are bad electoral? 305 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 6: But also we have to be honest and again this 306 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 6: beyond party. They fear us, so they've marginalized us. And 307 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 6: as long as we're pursuing ngraded in any of these 308 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 6: spaces in this discourse, we could still again be the boogeyman, 309 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 6: the villain, but they never have to actual appeal to 310 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 6: it because there's a general consensus that black men are 311 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 6: to be feared or not to be respected. Overincarcerated, we're 312 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 6: not in college. Were all those things. We've been isolated 313 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,599 Speaker 6: to the point when it's a common knowledge that we 314 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 6: are there. 315 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: This is I get I get so much heat for this, 316 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: but it's the truth. We've been as a community the 317 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 1: side piece of the Democratic Party for so long that 318 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: when we step out of that role and we start 319 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: actually asking questions and pushing back, now it's a problem. 320 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 2: Yep. 321 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: And I mean that's really the dynamic that exists, unfortunately 322 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: with the left. And so it highlights the very complex 323 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: nature of what it is to be black in America 324 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: and then engage political systems because you realize, like, Okay, 325 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: these folks over here are not really for me. These 326 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: folks over here they mess with me, but they mess 327 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: with me in the dark when it's convenient, when they 328 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: need me, when they want something right. And then when 329 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: you can't have that honest dialogue, you know, to Mby's point, 330 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: and you start thinking about a third party, you have 331 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: folks turned on each other, and it's like, well, where 332 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 1: do I go? 333 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 6: What do I do? 334 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: So it's a very very complex space, and it highlights 335 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: the old quote in America, black people do not have 336 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: permanent political friends. We only have permanent interests. Interest not 337 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: something that we need to sort of understand before we 338 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: sort of blindly align with any political party. We need 339 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: to figure out what is our ideology first. 340 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 2: I agree. 341 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 4: I don't know why if you if you're black in America, 342 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 4: you shouldn't be able to Republicans or Democrats. When I 343 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 4: see these maga crazies that are black, i'man like, man, 344 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 4: what is your issue? When I see these black liberals 345 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 4: that are crazy over these I'm like. 346 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: What is your issue? 347 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 4: Like? 348 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: None of us should be beholden to these parties. It's 349 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 2: gotten so rabid. 350 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 6: I was down South Carolina at a barbershop and I 351 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 6: was talking to brothers who are all Democratic voters, right, 352 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 6: and you know, I said, are y'all planning to vote 353 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 6: for Donald Trump? They said, oh nah, he's a real problem. 354 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 6: I said, well, you have homeboys and people in your 355 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 6: family who are considering. 356 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 2: Said yeah. 357 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 6: I said well why, and they explain why. It felt 358 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 6: like more money, it felt like this, but they were 359 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 6: not voters. They were not voting for Donald Trump. So 360 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 6: I get the clip on on TV. It's running MSNBC 361 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 6: all day. I'm down South Carolina doing my thing. And 362 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 6: the rabid response from black liberals and some white folks 363 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 6: in there. They're like, you and Charlotte Mane, y'all ain't 364 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 6: pushing back. I'm like, first of all, what me and 365 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 6: Charlotte got to do. 366 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 2: With each other? 367 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 6: You became the boogeyman. So all of a sudden, it's 368 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 6: like Charlot. They was like you and y'all trying to 369 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 6: get to Trump, and I'm like, yo, I'm just asking, 370 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 6: brother one. If I come to you and invite you 371 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 6: to give me your opinion, I'm not going to beat 372 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 6: you up for how you feel. I'm not trying to convince. No, 373 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 6: but I'm not don't work for the party, are for 374 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 6: the people. I'm here as a messenger. I'm here for 375 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 6: the people, not for any politician. But the response, for 376 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 6: one second, again, I don't agree with anything cannoneones. 377 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: Has to say, but when you're talking about a democratic plantation, like, 378 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: is this the plantation they're on? This? 379 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 6: Have me the brother you'aven known for decades doing this 380 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 6: work and I'm a broker of the people, And then 381 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 6: this is the response, And. 382 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 4: All you're doing is amplifying what the people are saying. 383 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 4: Guess what that's what they should be. They should have 384 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 4: their strategist and their campaign teams down there listening to 385 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 4: the police, and then they would understand why people feel 386 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 4: the way that they do. 387 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 2: I'm not making it up. 388 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: It's a true story. And the wild thing about it 389 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: was that happened literally the special premier on a Sundays 390 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: for mid on Sunday, February fourth, Right, that happened like 391 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: literally that Saturday, because that was the Democratic primary in 392 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: South Carolina. That clip ran, a right wing outlet took it, 393 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: chopped it up, ran when it made it seem worse 394 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: than it was. Similar to your points, Charlamagne did exactly 395 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: what you was talking about. And then all of a 396 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: sudden we just got all lumped. It became like a 397 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: whole tech hateration in this dancery, like it was just 398 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: everybody was catching strays and was and I was with 399 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: my man, so I'm like, yo, y'all haven't even and 400 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: they thought it was part of the special, which even 401 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: if it was. My point was, well, don't you understand 402 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: that these are actual people who have these concerns and 403 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: so trying your voters people from the conversation, is it 404 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: going to make you go away? 405 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 2: They started exposing it. 406 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 6: A young brother I felt bad for his younger brother's 407 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 6: like twentywo years old, was somewhat reluctant to do this, 408 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 6: but I knew his cousin. So everybody came together and 409 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 6: he was like, you know my age. I think he 410 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 6: was like twenty two. He like, we only voted one time, 411 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 6: so all we know is Trump and the pandemic and 412 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 6: all this. They started releasing his public information. Oh, you 413 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 6: ain't struggling that much. You just bought a house with 414 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 6: a girlfriend. I was like, and a young brothers like. 415 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 2: That's how you beat people out of the process. 416 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 6: As long as you could create a chilling effect, you're 417 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 6: having the opposite responses you want. You want and engage 418 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 6: public and young brothers especially that will we proselytizing to 419 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 6: their homeboys and be able to be able to articulate 420 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 6: some of these ideas right and machinations of the of 421 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 6: the machine. 422 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: Instead you push them into a corner. It was terrible, man. 423 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 2: These thing people need to change. 424 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 4: Will Democrats need to change their perception of the hypothetical 425 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 4: swing voter, like, you know, because they don't think about 426 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 4: black men when they think about yeah, swing voter, like 427 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 4: that probably voted for Obama, you know, might have voted 428 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 4: for Hillary. But then they're like, you know what, I'm 429 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 4: gonna get it just Trump thing to try, you know, 430 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 4: then I'm gonna go back to Biden, like you know, 431 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 4: I think. 432 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: The only thing that I would say in response to 433 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: that is Democrats don't have to change that. We have 434 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: to change that for them. They're not going to make 435 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: that decision on their own unless there's something that moves 436 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: them to do so. So as long as I can 437 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: count on you to show up when I asked you 438 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: to show up, right, like as my side piece, right. 439 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 2: The three times, that's the. 440 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: Less I was saying. As long as I can count 441 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: on you to show up on the show up, that's 442 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: never gonna change. So that's on us as the elector 443 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 1: to say, like I am not set in stone as 444 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: a voting black, that you can necessarily count on you gotta. 445 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: I'm available, right, but you gotta work for you, Gotta 446 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: do something to get me out to vote for your candidate. 447 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 5: That generational democrat. 448 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: Right. 449 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 5: I look at my mother and my father when they 450 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 5: started voting, and they would take me to the school 451 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 5: to vote. What would they usually do back then? 452 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 3: Right, Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Democrat. Right, 453 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 3: that's what That's what they did, right, because that's what 454 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 3: their parents did. 455 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 2: Right. 456 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,479 Speaker 3: So when I first started voting, when I was eighteen, 457 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 3: what did I do at first? Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, Democrat. 458 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 5: Democrat, Democrat because I was like that, So my parents 459 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 5: didn't That's that's what it was. So a lot of 460 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 5: people still do that. 461 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 3: And I think a lot of times Democrats know that 462 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 3: that when people go into that booth, they don't care 463 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 3: who's on that board. They just gonna do Democrat, Democrat, 464 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 3: and Democrat until you start understanding and learning. 465 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 5: And then when you start understanding learn, you don't know 466 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 5: who to learn from. 467 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 3: You don't know who's right, You don't know what story 468 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 3: is a fake. Some people say, well, you go to 469 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 3: MSNBC or you go to and some of those stories 470 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 3: don't be true. So it's like, who do I rely 471 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 3: on to find out the facts when it comes. 472 00:19:50,880 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: To these people, I think it's you know, I think 473 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: that it's it's that is a very valid question, and 474 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: I think in today's age, misinformation is a thing that 475 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: people don't talk enough about and that actually saw I 476 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: saw it when Tremaine was telling a story about what happened. 477 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 1: How quickly things can get out of hand. I think 478 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: part of it is you do have to get media 479 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: from a variety of sources and a variety of perspectives, 480 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: because that's the only way you can compare and start 481 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: to see, like, all right, so this is saying something 482 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: different than this, and this is saying something like what's 483 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: starting to align, what's starting what actually makes sense? But 484 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: if you lock yourself into one media source, if you're 485 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: someone who's just starting out and you're saying, like, all right, 486 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: I want to kind of figure this out, you need 487 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: to be able to look at a variety of media 488 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: sources on the same story. So if it's just like, uh, 489 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and marl Argo, what happened today? Read the 490 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: Fox News article, Read the MSNBC article, read the scene 491 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: An article, read the BBC article. There're gonna be certain 492 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: things that are gonna be universe true that will be 493 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: reported in all of them. You could probably take that 494 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: as facts. 495 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 6: But you know, the only way that actually works, though, 496 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 6: is if you arrive with a base of information in facts, 497 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 6: so you'll be able to arrive and be able to 498 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 6: decipher and filter through. Our news filter is so off 499 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 6: because people aren't arriving with the baseline information understanding how 500 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 6: the system works, let alone the actual nuances of an 501 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 6: actual issue. So when you go to Fox, you know 502 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 6: that's nonsense because ABC or D or if you go 503 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 6: to MSBC, you know that doesn't sound right because I 504 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 6: know ABC or D. But to your earlier question, though, 505 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 6: this idea of you know, this the mythology around the 506 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 6: stories we tell ourselves as Americans, and the mythology around 507 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 6: what a working class of voter is, what a middle 508 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 6: of the road voter is. They don't take into account 509 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 6: a Youngstown, Ohio, which is always the post a child 510 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 6: for the working class white man. It's a majority black 511 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 6: city who arrived there through the Great Migration, and we're 512 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 6: blue collar workers. And so as long as they're trying 513 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 6: to do this political you know, acrobatics around, we can't 514 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 6: offend this group because we need that working class middle, 515 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 6: that white working class. As long as you're that mythology 516 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 6: that there's a certain kind of cloistered away black voter 517 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 6: and that they're not also in the middle, that not 518 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 6: also independent thinkers and they're not also working class or 519 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 6: blue collar workers. 520 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 2: Then you can continue to see the same paradigm. 521 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 4: And I also think when it comes to MSNBC, CNN, Fox, 522 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 4: you know, they're not really interested in reporting the news. 523 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 4: They're interested in ratings and revenue. I think Trump brings ratings, 524 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 4: and that's why they want to have as many Trump 525 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 4: stories as possible. I think this new narrative of black 526 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 4: men are black people being against the Democratic Party. I 527 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 4: think that is another thing that's getting them a lot 528 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 4: of engagement in a lot of ratings. So they're running 529 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 4: with storylines as opposed to actually real news. 530 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:39,959 Speaker 2: I somewhat disagree. 531 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 6: I mean, I think when we're understanding how the cable 532 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,239 Speaker 6: news space works, it's like a newspaper. I'm an old 533 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 6: newspaper guy. It's like the front page to the metro 534 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 6: section is actually news. Then you get to the opate 535 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 6: the commentary section. So at MSNBC, you'll have news all 536 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 6: day and then you get into a little commentary where 537 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 6: it's more opinion. For a long time, you hadn't seen 538 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 6: Donald Trump on our airwaves. But then this is the 539 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 6: news again. As over we are leaving with the fire, 540 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 6: there are more important things happening than death and destruction 541 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 6: or the missing kid who got shot in the head 542 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 6: or whatever it is. But that actually is the fire. 543 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 6: And so I don't know if it's intentional, like we 544 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 6: got to get the ratings, let's turn the trump. But 545 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 6: also is such a break from our norms which we 546 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 6: didn't handle well the first time. So I think we 547 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 6: probably need more attention. But just interrogating what this man 548 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 6: is doing and saying I think interrogating it more, not just. 549 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 4: You know not yourn MSNBC run a headline that says 550 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 4: Charlamagne is pushing MAGA messaging simply because they asked me. 551 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 4: On January fifteenth, Fox News asked me, do I think 552 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 4: the border is gonna be an issue in November? 553 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: And I said yes. And the reason I. 554 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 4: Said yes, it's because based off conversations I'm having with people, 555 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 4: whether it's you know, here in New York City when 556 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 4: Mayor Eric Adams, you know, they made all of the 557 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 4: kids do remote learning so they could house the migrants. 558 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 4: Whether it's you know, people I run into the street 559 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 4: talking to me about their neighborhoods being overrun with gangs 560 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 4: that are coming across the border. It's people in Chicago 561 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 4: telling me about how they feel like the micros are 562 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 4: getting more resources than they are conversations that regular, everyday 563 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 4: black people are having with me. So I said that, 564 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 4: how is that maga messaging? 565 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 2: You know? 566 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: The number one issue I think, right, I think that 567 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: we've entered into a space that has become increasingly not 568 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: even politicized, just polarized. And the sensationalism around people's positions 569 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: in a way that allows you to sort of just 570 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: from a binary standpoint, be like you all the way 571 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: over here, they all the way over here is something 572 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: that has really hurt dialogue and made it difficult for 573 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: people to have understanding. And I think, to Envy's earlier point, 574 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: we don't have conversations anymore, and that's a big problem. 575 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: And that's one of the reasons why Tremaine and I 576 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: did the Special Black Men in America the World to 577 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four is we really wanted to highlight the 578 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: fact that number one, these conversations are happening. Whether you 579 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: try to shame brothers away from having these discussions or not, 580 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: they are happening, to Charlemagne's point, And number two, they 581 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: can happen in a space that allows for us to 582 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: sort of have a die not always agree, but also 583 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: not be disagreeable about it. And that was something that 584 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: we really were intentional about when we talked to Jizi, 585 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: when we talked to Hakim Jeffries to speak of the 586 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: minority speaker in the House or minority leader in the House. 587 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: We talked to, you know, people from all walks of 588 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: life who had very different ideological and political perspectives and 589 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: heard different things and it was okay, right, And I 590 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: think that we need more of that. And let me 591 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: be very honest, Yes, I'm an MSNBC guy. Jermaine is 592 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: as well, but at the end of the day, we're 593 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: here for community and I don't expect that any platform, 594 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: respectfully right, and obviously I banged with MSNBC, but I 595 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: don't expect that any platform is going to do that 596 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 1: for us. 597 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 2: It's not an institution in America. We got to do 598 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 2: that far. 599 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: We have to be the ones to be able to say, like, 600 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: all right, we can have these conversations ourselves without turning 601 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: around and being like, oh, well, you don't agree with 602 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: me and I'm questioning your blackness. 603 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 6: And we can't and we can't afford to be at 604 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 6: eyes in this moment and every moment that preceded this, 605 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 6: we cannot afford that. And I think that, you know, 606 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 6: it ends up becoming entertainment for some folks when it's 607 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 6: really life for death. 608 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 4: You think we should have more mixed conversations, meaning that 609 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 4: you know, I was saying that I feel like the 610 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 4: vice president should go on Fox News, she should go 611 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 4: on Handy. 612 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: The same way President Obama used to go on O'Reilly fact. 613 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 4: Though, like I feel like we can't keep talking about 614 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 4: people are allowing people to talk about you without talking 615 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 4: to them. 616 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:29,959 Speaker 2: That requires good faith, though. 617 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 6: It requires that we're gonna arrive at this moment and 618 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 6: have a dialogue and disagree and have this discourse and 619 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 6: try to unpack a few things, not I gotcha moment 620 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 6: that we can circulate on social media for that red meat. 621 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 2: Let's get a win. 622 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 6: The liptards that this one that when you can't you 623 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 6: can't operate in that environment because it's just not a 624 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 6: good faith environment. 625 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: Operator. 626 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,239 Speaker 4: But you don't think it's hard to take you out 627 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,239 Speaker 4: of context if I'm sitting here talking to you, if 628 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 4: the audience is actually watching it in real time. I 629 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 4: think it's easier when you make a statement somewhere else, 630 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 4: and then Fox can take it and remix it. It is, 631 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 4: but I still think it's still gonna be chopped and 632 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 4: screw But I still think that Tremaine is absolutely right. 633 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 4: You have to come to the conversation with good intentions, 634 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 4: right like, if you really do you want to have 635 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 4: a conversation, or you're trying to have a gotcha moment, 636 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 4: if you're really trying to have a conversation, ask the 637 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 4: tough questions, right like, ask the difficult questions, have the 638 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 4: difficult issues come up, and let's have a conversation. 639 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: Just keep it balanced, just keeping balanced. If we're going 640 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: to do it, let's do it. Just keep it balance. 641 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: I think that's the only caveat. It has to be 642 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: in a space that is truly about a balanced discussion 643 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: before you can try to say, oh, well, you know, 644 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: you shouldn't do that outlet or what have you, because unfortunately, 645 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: there are too many outlets and platforms that really are 646 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: just looking for a viral moment as opposed to trying 647 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: to promote a conversation, because we know controversy gets clicked. 648 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 4: It seems like it's working for Gavin Newsom though him 649 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 4: going on Fox, you know, having conversations with Handity, debating 650 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 4: with Ron DeSantis. 651 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 6: Now all of a sudden, people got his name in 652 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 6: the conversation to be president because this is the way. 653 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 6: I think he's a singular kind of force. He looks presidential, right, 654 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 6: So I think he just has a certain thing about 655 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 6: him that I think he can he can move that 656 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 6: way where any number of folks left couldn't. 657 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:10,959 Speaker 2: Move like that though. 658 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: I think also he I think also Gavin Newsom presents 659 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: a different alternative when you're talking about leftist politics that 660 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: doesn't exist, and so people are kind of interested in that. 661 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: You know, people you know and for whatever reasons, then 662 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: I can name a lot of them. People may not 663 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: necessarily be thrilled with Kamala as A as being representative 664 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: or Vice President Harris as being representative of the future 665 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party. So Gavin Newsom steps in and 666 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: he's more or less unchallenged in terms of that space. 667 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: He's an early adapter, if you will. So there has 668 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: some interest there and I think that he's navigated it 669 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: fairly well. 670 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, believing that's unfaired when they say things like you 671 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 4: should be scared of a Kamala Harris privacy. Of course, 672 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 4: why her policies wouldn't be that different than any other 673 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 4: Democrats because he's Black's because. 674 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: She's a woman should not asper No, no, no, these. 675 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 3: Brothers gotta go. But I just gotta this is away 676 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 3: from politics. I just got a question David Banner. It 677 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 3: was recently recirculating in the last couple of days that 678 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 3: David Banner was talking about HBCUs and he was saying. 679 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: This is Howard University at all times. 680 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 5: All right, well, thank you for joining us. 681 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 2: Question what's the question now. 682 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. 683 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 3: You don't want to have to He said, HBCU shouldn't 684 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 3: be a choice that all black students should go to HBCU. 685 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 3: It shouldn't be an option. They should not go to 686 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 3: these white universities. They should have to go to an HBCU. 687 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 5: And that's what he felt. 688 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 6: I want to ask, you know, then the problem is, 689 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 6: I think I think in all these things, we are still, 690 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 6: all these centuries after enslavement, fighting to be whole citizens 691 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 6: that we haven't gotten there yet. 692 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 2: So full access to the franchise, full access. 693 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 6: To the full fruit of what it means to be 694 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 6: an American, and I think that comes with the choices 695 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 6: to do whatever we so please. And so certainly we 696 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 6: understand these story institutions have been the bed rock and 697 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 6: foundation of our communities for a very long time. But 698 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 6: I think we do also need to allow black people 699 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 6: to go where they want have bad ideas to a 700 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 6: pin point about voting. 701 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 2: Again, we don't require any of that big shot. 702 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 6: Listen, my wife went to sell In University, so so 703 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 6: I don't know we're gonna have to I don't have 704 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 6: to fight with her, behalf here. 705 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: For people listening and be put in Hampton helmet up. 706 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 5: I wasn't. Yeah, but so good. 707 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 2: You know. 708 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 5: The only thing with that is, you know, I went 709 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 5: to Hampton University. My daughter didn't. I wanted her to go. 710 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 5: But when we went, you know, we went through that 711 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 5: whole thing. 712 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 3: We went Morgan State, we went to Clark, we went 713 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 3: to Spelman, we went to Hampton, we went to Howard. 714 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 3: But it was the programs that she wanted to do, 715 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 3: and the HBCUs didn't have the program which she wanted 716 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 3: to major in. 717 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 5: And that was the biggest problem. 718 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 3: And you know, when I'm talking to some of the 719 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 3: HBCU presidents, I tell them that we have to change 720 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 3: a lot of the curriculum. 721 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 5: Because the coriundlums are still old and they don't have 722 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 5: some of the new curriculum. 723 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 3: Like you know, we had Ryan and Ocho and they 724 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 3: were talking about how, you know, brothers are making millions 725 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 3: of dollars gaming and not coding, but playing games, and 726 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 3: how it's a big business and these creators are making 727 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 3: that and a lot of the times our HBCUs don't 728 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 3: want that. 729 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 2: It's if it's free. 730 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 6: When you think about this idea of a reparation which 731 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,479 Speaker 6: is in the news now in California and my latest podcast, 732 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 6: Undocumented unkind of millions of power reparations, it's like, how 733 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 6: are we made whole in this country? We understand the 734 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 6: horrors of slavery and then the hell that came after 735 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 6: all the violent dispossession that we face of stripping of 736 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 6: land and resources, and as part of that, the Freeman's view, 737 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 6: establishing these hpcus, these landgrent colleges, I think that would 738 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 6: make sense if as part of repair, as far as 739 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 6: making us whole, that HBCUs are free, and I think 740 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 6: that changes the conversation. 741 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: You know, I am gonna look at this from the 742 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: standpoint of also being an Hbculum and then when I 743 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: was when I was at Howard was a Border Trustee 744 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: member of the Border Trustees twice. So I'm looking at 745 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: it from like very practical standpoint and being a lawyer. 746 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: So a lot of people may not really on the 747 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: top of that head be remembering the Supreme Court's recent 748 00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: decision that outlawed or declared unconstitutional race based admissions considerations, 749 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: the case against Harford. The significance of that in this 750 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: conversation is what it is going to do is you 751 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: have a generation that demographically speaking, is the biggest and 752 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: largest sense, the Baby Boomers that are now sort of 753 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: like in college or entering college or in that space. 754 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: So you have more people who are now going to 755 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: have less access to more schools because affirmative action is 756 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: essentially gutted at the collegiate level. Our HBCUs right now 757 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: cannot they cannot handle the capacity of students that are 758 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: already there from a housing place, you know this, from 759 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: a facilities place. You know what I'm saying, Like, it's 760 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: just a thing, right you go to James Hall, a 761 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: Pierce Hall right now and it's pink peeling off the walls, 762 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: and I'm not even being funny, I'm being very serious. Right. 763 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: So the problem with what David Bannon is saying, and 764 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: I respect David Banda, I really really do. The problem 765 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: is it's simply not practical, and it's also not practical. 766 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: It becomes further further impractical if we are not going 767 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: to support our institutions with the type of money and 768 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: funding that they need for it, not just maintenance but 769 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: also expansion. 770 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 6: They get you some of that good Ukraine money or right, 771 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 6: and their moneyful. 772 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 2: This money. 773 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 6: But that's what it comes down to, is like in 774 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 6: this whole reparational conversation when posters, you know, and social 775 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 6: scientists ask white people, is the problem with the amount 776 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 6: of money? 777 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: No? 778 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 2: Is it? Who should qualify? Know? 779 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 6: Is that they don't believe black people are deserving, And 780 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 6: so it all comes down to whether we are deserving 781 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 6: despite that, not only did we where we drivers of 782 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 6: the world, we actually were the wealth. 783 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 2: He's about eighteen sixty. 784 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 6: Black bodies were the most valuable commodity in this country, 785 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 6: let alone the actual physical structures that we built and 786 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 6: the whole entire economy, taking this colony, this small outlier colony, 787 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 6: into the global power it is today, right, but it's 788 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 6: a matter of what they want to do. 789 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 2: It's still we're not deserving. 790 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: To your earlier questions, Charlamagne, when you talk about democratic messaging, 791 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: if foreign aid two words foreign aid right, regardless of 792 00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: where it's going, I don't want to get into that discussion, 793 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: but that foreign aid are not bad words, then reparations 794 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: should not be a bad Absolutely, that's really that's the 795 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: core of what we're talking about. And I don't mean 796 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: to make it as singularly an issue about reparations, but 797 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm just using that as an example for when I 798 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: when I use the term, that term side piece or like, oh, well, 799 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 1: you know you kind of we're gonna deprioritize your interests. 800 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: If you can say foreign aid to whatever countries plural 801 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: that you're going to say them, then why can't we 802 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 1: have this conversation about something that's directly. 803 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,760 Speaker 2: Of those bombs millions? 804 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 4: You know, you know Donald Trump is gonna say it 805 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 4: at some point over the next few months. Donald Trump 806 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 4: is going to say, we keep sending all of this money, 807 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 4: you know, the Ukraine and all of these countries we're 808 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 4: funding NATO that could be used for black people reparations. 809 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 4: It's just gonna be a line and watch what it does. 810 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 4: Remember Remember I said it. Remember remember what you said 811 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 4: earlierbout people don't even want to say black people's name. 812 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 2: Don't say black man name. He's going to see blacks. 813 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 2: My blacks deserve reparations. My blacks. Yeah, my black watch. 814 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 3: Well, we appreciate you brothers for joining us. Tell them 815 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 3: they can catch you, cause I see when does the 816 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 3: series come on? 817 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,240 Speaker 6: So it is ouration, the the old so uncounted millions 818 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 6: of power of reparations. Where our episode five drops tomorrow. 819 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,240 Speaker 6: It's the most amazing reparations story you never heard. America 820 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,439 Speaker 6: actually paid reparations once before for enslavers, and a black 821 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 6: man somehow finessed his way into the system and actually 822 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 6: got reparation for slavery. Episode five drops tomorrow Thursday. 823 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: All right, and you could also check out Black Men 824 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: in America The Roads of twenty twenty four on Peacock 825 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:35,879 Speaker 1: and streaming live. 826 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 5: All right, Well, thank you brothers for joining us. Charles Coleman, 827 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 5: Jermaine Lee. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, wait till 828 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 5: ass up in the morning. 829 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club