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Speaker 1: have Michael crosbyond who goes by bing Crosby against like

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Speaker 1: commander and now founder and CEO of Veterans Crop State

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Speaker 1: Tancer Awareness. Uh. And we'll get into his story and

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Speaker 1: and actually what they're doing over there, um before we do.

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Speaker 1: Actually think the first thing to get into here would

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Speaker 1: be I've, you know, been following what's going on on Twitter?

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Speaker 1: Why why do you follow anything on Twitter? Just stop?

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Speaker 1: I follow it ero And I did originally see a

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Speaker 1: gotta understand this is like one of those like anonymous

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Speaker 1: like this never fucking happened. And I posted on there.

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Speaker 1: I was like, this sounds like total fiction. And she

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Speaker 1: sending me messages on there like it happened, that's real.

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Speaker 1: And she had came like way back when she first

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Speaker 1: and she was very flirty, asking me for like restaurant

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Speaker 1: helpline UM and you ask for, you know, to go

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Speaker 1: see a therapist, you you're there the same day if

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Speaker 1: you want to. I mean, so from that perspective from

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Speaker 1: guys reaching out for help, which is sorely needed, it's there.

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Speaker 1: The guy just has to make that make the call,

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Speaker 1: or you know, people like yourselves have to put the

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Speaker 1: word out there's suicide hotline. We've got we're losing twenty

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Speaker 1: two guys a day. Why. I mean that there's it's

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Speaker 1: craziness what's going on, and we all need to reach

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Speaker 1: out and help those guys that are struggling with that stuff.

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Speaker 1: And so I think the v A is taking a

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Speaker 1: strain and I think they are doing a pretty good

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Speaker 1: job in that respect. Um from prosthetics right there, probably

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Speaker 1: one of the leading institutions in prosthetic research and design

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Speaker 1: and assistance and rehabilitation, and that that's been forced on

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00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: them because of these protracted wars that we're in, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know the experience, you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's more I E. D s, there's more of these

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Speaker 1: you know, um, you know crazy you know, uh, you

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Speaker 1: know I E. D s and other types of explosions

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00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: and whatever that guys are having to deal with, um,

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00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: you know these and coming back missing legs, missing eyes, whatever.

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00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: And the v A has actually unfortunately become very good

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Speaker 1: at that. And and that's something that that you know, whatever,

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Speaker 1: maybe it's going to help society as a whole later on.

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Speaker 1: I know, the technology behind it is just incredible. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So those are things that they should be experts in

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Speaker 1: those are areas where they should where they should really

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Speaker 1: where the whole you know, the world should look at

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Speaker 1: them and say, listen that this is technology leading, edge,

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Speaker 1: cutting edge type of stuff that they're doing with those

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Speaker 1: those sorts of things. And then we get to cancer. Right,

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Speaker 1: the va was never really supposed to be a geriatric

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Speaker 1: care place, right, I mean, that's not not it's that's

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Speaker 1: not what it really should be, right, And so that's

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Speaker 1: but unfortunately, you know, aging population, guys are living longer

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Speaker 1: um and as you live longer, you end up contracting

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Speaker 1: things like different cancers. The problem I see what the

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Speaker 1: v A is that they're not equipped, uh in comparison

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Speaker 1: to private industry, to actually offer the services that are

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Speaker 1: available to the public. And now, as you here, you know,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter whether it's President Obama's administration or Trump's administration,

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Speaker 1: everybody agrees that because you're a vet, you shouldn't have

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Speaker 1: substandard care or you shouldn't be neglected from the care

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Speaker 1: that's available to everybody else in the country. Right, you

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Speaker 1: shouldn't have you shouldn't be at a disadvantage because you're

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Speaker 1: a veteran. You should be at least equal, you know,

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Speaker 1: if not preferential treat but because you volunteered, especially today,

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Speaker 1: you volunteered to go out and to serve your country,

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Speaker 1: So we need something back from that. So the anyway,

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Speaker 1: So that's the part of the deal is that they

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Speaker 1: I think that that's kind of where we're at from

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Speaker 1: this cancer care perspective, right, is that they don't while

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Speaker 1: they do service, they do treat they do diagnose um.

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Speaker 1: The the treatments that they're offering are not state of

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Speaker 1: the art. They're not the most modern technology. Some of

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Speaker 1: the medications that are coming out aren't available through the

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Speaker 1: VA formulary. And so that's why myself, I'm a big

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Speaker 1: proponent of the Choice program and the Mission Act which

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Speaker 1: was just signed. So I think that that those are

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Speaker 1: a couple of things that we really we need to

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Speaker 1: put out that guys need to be aware of. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I've got my own opinions on why it's

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Speaker 1: not being promoted on the back of what, you know,

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Speaker 1: what exactly is the Choice program, because I have heard

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Speaker 1: of it before. But if you can give some background,

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Speaker 1: So the Choice program started, uh in two thousand fourteen.

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Speaker 1: It was actually emergency funds that were passed a bill

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Speaker 1: that was passed by Bernie Sanders and John McCain um.

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Speaker 1: Two unlikely bedfellows got together and saw this. Uh you

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Speaker 1: know you think about politics, right, these are opposite ends

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Speaker 1: of the spectrum, right. That came together because of the

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Speaker 1: Phoenix v A issue that was going on. Guys were

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Speaker 1: dying at in Phoenix because of wait time issues or

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Speaker 1: mistreatment issues or whatever. And you know, we can that's

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Speaker 1: a whole other radio show we can talk about. But

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Speaker 1: the so they so, Bernie Sanders and John McCain sponsored

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Speaker 1: a bill that that allocated about fourteen billion dollars to

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Speaker 1: community care and they called it the Choice Program. It

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Speaker 1: was giving veterans a choice of whether to take the

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Speaker 1: care inside the v A or to step outside to

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Speaker 1: the community and not stand in line. Just go get

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Speaker 1: your care, Go go get something taken care of. If

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Speaker 1: you have something wrong, go get it taken care of,

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00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: and the government will pay for it. Well, you can

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Speaker 1: imagine with any large program, and this was a large program,

511
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some issues with it, right, and in

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Speaker 1: administrating the administration of it and making sure guys are

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Speaker 1: getting paid on time and that sort of thing. So

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Speaker 1: it's gone on since two thousand and fourteen, so we're

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Speaker 1: gonna it's about its fourth year. UM. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people have complained about it. They weren't getting paid and whatever,

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Speaker 1: and I happen to help a lot of other agencies,

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Speaker 1: actually companies getting engaged and get registered to be able

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Speaker 1: to use this thing. Because there's two sides to it.

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00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 1: Choice has both the provider side, which is that all

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Speaker 1: the people in the community, they have to register and

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Speaker 1: sign a contract with either the was initially health insurance

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Speaker 1: companies two of them that had been contracted to provide

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Speaker 1: the services, or directly with the v A, and it's

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Speaker 1: shifting now a little bit too directly with the v A.

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Speaker 1: And and as a as a provider, as a doctor,

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Speaker 1: say a urologist or an oncologist or somebody in the

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Speaker 1: community that wants to service a veteran, all they have

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Speaker 1: to do is agree they have to be in good

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Speaker 1: standing with, you know, with the medical community and the

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Speaker 1: agencies that that regulate that UM, and they have to

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Speaker 1: sign a contract that they agree to Medicare reimbursement rates okay,

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Speaker 1: so that they're going to get paid the same thing

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Speaker 1: that a guy would get paid if he presented his

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Speaker 1: Medicare rates and that's a big deal because, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: just in the whole medical community and our medical industry,

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Speaker 1: somebody has to set limits on how much doctors can

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Speaker 1: pay for medicine or you can can charge for medicine

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Speaker 1: or charge for their services, and that's what medicure does.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually glad you clarified that, though, because when I

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Speaker 1: first heard choice program, it's mainly a Republican idea. I've

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Speaker 1: heard but of basically putting veterans into the private healthcare

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Speaker 1: and you getting to choose, you know, from just the

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Speaker 1: private healthcare and talk about that for a long time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think some even want to like abolish the

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Speaker 1: v A and just have veterans in private healthcare. This

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Speaker 1: is something different based on what you're describing. No, I

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Speaker 1: think that. And if you look back here, there's been

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Speaker 1: some recent advancements or recent legislation that's occurred. Um that

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Speaker 1: gets no press, right, I mean, nobody talks about it.

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Speaker 1: And one is the signing of what's called the Mission Act.

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Speaker 1: And and the Mission Act was signed on June six

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Speaker 1: by President Trump. I don't know the exact UH voting record,

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Speaker 1: but I think it was completely bipartisan. I think it's

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Speaker 1: somewhere in the neigborative like nineties at ten type of

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00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: thing in the Senate. Right that that everybody voted for

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Speaker 1: this this act, and this act actually helps to stabilize

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Speaker 1: the won the choice program. They're going to rename it.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna sunset in June of next Year's what the

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Speaker 1: schedule is. And it's going to become called the Community

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Speaker 1: Care Network, right, I mean, well, you know, the government

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Speaker 1: and every military organization. You've got to change the name

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Speaker 1: when somebody else comes up with a better idea, right. So, um,

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Speaker 1: so it's gonna be the Community Care Network is what

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Speaker 1: it's called. It's now a permanent line item in the

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Speaker 1: budget for the v A. So previous to this, when

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Speaker 1: Sanders and McCain put it in place, this it was

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Speaker 1: temporary funding. So it had to be reauthorized every year.

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Speaker 1: Um and so it had to almost be reintroduced every

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Speaker 1: year as our our funding bills work. Now, now, as

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Speaker 1: of June six, Trump is signed in the law where

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Speaker 1: it is a permanent piece of the VA's budget. Now,

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Speaker 1: there's some tricky things inside that the law. You know,

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Speaker 1: having watched it go through this process and helped promote it, um,

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Speaker 1: they negotiated, some of the people negotiated, and you got

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Speaker 1: to readefined print. One of the issues that I don't

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Speaker 1: like in the bill is that at the end of

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Speaker 1: the year, every fiscal year, if the Choice money or

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Speaker 1: if that that community care network funding is not utilized,

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Speaker 1: the v A can claw back that money and spend

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Speaker 1: it on whatever they want to. Okay. So being a

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Speaker 1: little bit um jaundiced against the v A leadership a

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Speaker 1: little bit. The reason I believe that they're not promoting

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Speaker 1: the fact that this money is available for veterans to

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Speaker 1: spend on their own health care is at the end

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Speaker 1: of every year, they get to the management used to

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Speaker 1: call back that money and spend it on whatever they

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Speaker 1: want to, Okay. Okay, And we're not talking about you know,

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Speaker 1: fifty dollars here, We're talking about billions of dollars. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So this you know that there's a debate on how

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Speaker 1: much money is really out there, but it's it's close

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Speaker 1: to a couple of billion dollars a year that's available

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Speaker 1: for this outside care, Okay. And um, that's why our organization,

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Speaker 1: why vpc A, is promoting veterans to sign up for

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Speaker 1: this money for this care are this this service and

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00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: it's it's a misnomer. Okay. People will tell you now

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00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: today if you were to get out of the service today,

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Speaker 1: regardless of what you know, what rank, or whatever you are.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of misperception as to whether you qualify

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Speaker 1: for for VA benefits. The issue is if you have

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Speaker 1: a d D two fourteen and you're honorably discharged, whether

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00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: you served two years or you serve twenty two years,

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00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: you qualified for VA benefits. Okay, So when you put

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Speaker 1: that out that that's that's the qualification d D two

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Speaker 1: fourteen and an honorable discharge, that that's your qualification to

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00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: get via healthcare benefits, education benefits you know at different levels, right,

607
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: and you know national cemetery burial benefits. So those are

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00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: those are things that need to be be clarified. It's

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Speaker 1: pretty simple now once you get that, though you don't automatically.

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Speaker 1: You're not automatically signed up for the Choice program. Some

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Speaker 1: people will tell you that you are, but you're not.

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Speaker 1: If you have you have to dial a phone number, right,

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Speaker 1: You've got to dial this phone number, or you have

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Speaker 1: to ask your eligibility office when you sign up that

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Speaker 1: I want to be in the Choice program and you

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Speaker 1: get a little separate card that has a separate number

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Speaker 1: on it that's almost like your insturance card. And if

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Speaker 1: you when you when you call and the v A

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Speaker 1: can't take care of you, or that the timeline is

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Speaker 1: too you know, too far out for them to see you,

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Speaker 1: you ask, well, I'm in a choice program, I'd like

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Speaker 1: a referral, please, and they send you right out. It's

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Speaker 1: it works great. I mean, I use it. I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm a user of this whole thing. And I would

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Speaker 1: tell you to sign up as well, because some of

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00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: the care that you get is now now you have

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Speaker 1: access to that state of the our care and it's

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Speaker 1: out in our private health care communities and so and

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Speaker 1: you don't have to wait. You can ask for the

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Speaker 1: service and you can go use it. But as a

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Speaker 1: as a veteran, you don't automatically get signed up for this.

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Speaker 1: You know. Here, here are some quick numbers for people

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Speaker 1: out there. There's twenty two million veterans in the United States.

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Speaker 1: Nine million of them are under care at the v A.

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Speaker 1: That's the largest integrated health care system on the planet.

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Speaker 1: So there's no other health care system that's servicing that

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Speaker 1: many people. That is one that that's a that's where

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00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: your light should go off and say, okay, well that

639
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: that makes it a bit of an issue right there.

640
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: That's a big management challenge. So there's gonna be problems

641
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: and we accept that. So from a prostate cancer perspective,

642
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 1: seven million of the nine million our guys over the

643
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: age of forty, right, so that's when you need to

644
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: be starting your screening for prostate cancer. You need to

645
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: do an annual screen. Okay, So regardless of what they say,

646
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: there's new rules that have changed or new recommendations have changed.

647
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: As a March of this year, UM veterans are in

648
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: a high risk category because of your exposure to chemicals, weapons,

649
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, other kinds of radiation issues and whatever. We

650
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: just know that. We don't know why specifically, but we

651
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: know that veterans are at a higher risk of contracting

652
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: prostate cancer and and sort of other cancers as well.

653
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: So right now though today as we look at it,

654
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: there's only one million veterans signed up in the Choice program,

655
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: you know, when you look at the big picture for sure, right,

656
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: So we're trying our market or one of our goals

657
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: is to get the other eight million guys out the

658
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: guy's end, girls out there signed up in this program because,

659
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: as any program, the more people that are signed up

660
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: using it and liking it, the more success that program

661
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: is going to have. And as you kind of hinted

662
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,959
Speaker 1: at before, the less that these people at the top

663
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: get to waste this money that's allocated for the program. Absolutely,

664
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: I mean then this is this one year money. So

665
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: let's talk about government moneys out there. This is one

666
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: year money. At the end of the year, that money

667
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: either dissolves and it doesn't carry over into the next year,

668
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: so they don't get to keep building up a pot

669
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: of this money, right, So, so it was like incentive

670
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: for them not to get veterans signed up for this, correct. Absolutely,

671
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: So they can either go build another clinic, or they

672
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: can pay their bonuses, or they can do whatever they

673
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: want to do. Right So it's uh. And and this

674
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: money typically you guys know this in the government, you

675
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: get money is allocated for equipment, you get for building

676
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: facilities or for operating you know, optre and operating expenses

677
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: and that sort of thing. So under our government rules,

678
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: the whole budget that was out there for the Defense

679
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: Department or for the v A there's different pots of

680
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: money or different colors of money. This money that's been

681
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: allocated by by Congress has no color to it, so

682
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: they can spend it on whatever they want to spend

683
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: it on. So this is really valuable money to the

684
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: management of the v A. Could you tell us a

685
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: little bit about your own story, your own experience with

686
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 1: prostate cancer, because I think that kind of leads into

687
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: why something like the Choice program is so important. Sure,

688
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: I um. I had been going to the v A

689
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: since two thousand and ten. I left the military two

690
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: thousand nine and I signed up for the v A

691
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: one because I wanted to. And I always volunteered at

692
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: the v A and and try to go over one

693
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: weekend a month and help either push guys around. And

694
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: it was great for me to listen to good World

695
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: War two stories, are you know, good Vietnam stories and

696
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: that sort of thing, right, So it was beneficial on

697
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,280
Speaker 1: both parts. Right. So, but I always did my annual

698
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: physical there, I kept my medical records there and always

699
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: did the sort of the annual flight physical. And I

700
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: knew about prostate cancer a little bit, or is my

701
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: health slide of things, So I always demanded that I

702
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: got a p s A test, because which is your

703
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 1: prostate specific manage and blood test, and a digital rector

704
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: exam UM, which is that's that's your annual physical, that's

705
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: your annual test that you need to be doing. Everybody

706
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: needs to be doing it. That that's been a veteran

707
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: and you need to know those numbers. You don't just

708
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: need to take the the the word of the doctor

709
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: or the nurse that everything's okay, right. And I learned

710
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: that sort of the hard way, and that I had

711
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 1: always had my my p s A levels had always

712
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: been around two five to six something like that, which

713
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,479
Speaker 1: is is pretty low in the number of scale of things.

714
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: And um, I've been working overseas. So I was in Phoenix,

715
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: where my wife and I were living, and I had

716
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: gone to the Phoenix be A. I did my physical,

717
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: and you know, I had to run out and go

718
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: back to work. So I left, actually flew back to

719
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: Southeast Asia and called in for the results like you know,

720
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: like we do. Sometimes you call in You're like, okay,

721
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: that nothing's ready the day that you get your test, right,

722
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: So you call in and the nurse said on the phone,

723
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: everything's okay, take your status and you'll be fine. That

724
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: was two thousand fourteen. Two thousand fifteen, I came back

725
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: for my physical and um my p s A was

726
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: at fourteen point seven, which is extremely high. Um So

727
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: essentially I had the last I had heard it was

728
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: at two point five and then had gone to fourteen

729
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: point seven. Well a year before, as we look back

730
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: into records, it was actually five point seven, which there's

731
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: a there is a standard out there right now in

732
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: the industry that if it's above four or it's rising rapidly,

733
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: they tell you to go get or they'll referee to

734
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: get a biopsy. Because from your p s A rise

735
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: or from you know, your your dry you can't determine

736
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: that you have cancer. That's it's an indicator, but it

737
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: does not tell you that you have cancer. You have

738
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: to have a biopsy and the pathologist has to look

739
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: at the tissue under the microscopes and see if you

740
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: and determine if you do have cancer. Right now, that's

741
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: the only technology, it's the only thing we have today

742
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: to make that determination. Yes, there's programs working on new technologies,

743
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: but they're not available right now. So when I heard that,

744
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: I said, well, this is great, Okay, So at least

745
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: somebody's found it and I'm aware of it. So I said, well,

746
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: let's what's the next step. We need to go to

747
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: a urologist at the v A. Well, the urology department

748
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: as the one at the v A and Phoenix that

749
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: it had all the problems in the past, and at

750
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: that time, this was two thousand fifteen, that issues were

751
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: still ongoing. So I got into this, Well, they can't

752
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: see you for twenty nine days. The whole scheduling nonsense. Um,

753
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: I I'm kind of a forceful guy, and I just

754
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: said that's unacceptable. I'll just walk up there and make

755
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: my own appointment. So I walked into the department, told

756
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: them they're going to see me, and they did. Got

757
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: into the ceologist you know, lo and behold there were

758
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: three open appointments right there and then, and so obviously

759
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 1: the internal I T system and scheduling system wasn't working

760
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: so well. And I asked this urologist and did an

761
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: exam with him, and he looked at the stuff and said, well,

762
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: why don't you come back in six months and we'll

763
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: just do another p s A. Because the only thing

764
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: that we can offer you here at the v A

765
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: and Phoenix is surgery what's called the radical prostrotectomy. Now,

766
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: radical prostatectomy is where they do a surgery and they

767
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: remove your your prostate. Okay, and there's a lot of

768
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: problems with doing that. There's the problem with the with

769
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: doing this is first it's an archaic procedure because uh,

770
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: these guys in in the v A are still doing

771
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: it with the scalpel uh and not with robotic surgery

772
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 1: or with state of the art type of technology that's available. Okay,

773
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: So I elected not to do that. This is where

774
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: I had the Choice program been in place, UM, I

775
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: would have asked immediately for a referral out. But I

776
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: was lucky enough to have my own healthcare on outside

777
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: health consurance, and I also had had knowledge of of

778
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: kind of where to go. So I stepped out and

779
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: made a few phone calls, and instead of waiting six

780
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: months for another exam and a biopsy, I was on

781
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: the phone with a radiation oncologist, Sandy Vermilan up At,

782
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: who's from Seattle, Washington. We're related by marriage, and so

783
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: she said, you know your numbers, and your situation right

784
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: now dictates that you get a biopsy today, not six

785
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: months from now and lo and behold, they scheduled me

786
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: for a She called a friend. It's sort of the network, right,

787
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: So she called a friend and fe because I went

788
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: over to Banner Health UM and did a biopsy and

789
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: lo and behold, turned out that it was positive for cancer.

790
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: What's called a Gleason score, which is the level of

791
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: of scoring that they used to determine sort of your

792
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: stage of cancer that you have. And I had the

793
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: Gleason seven with four plus three, which is right on

794
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: the verge of being what's called metastatic or non metastatic.

795
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: Metastatic means it spread to your other parts of your body.

796
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: Mine was at the level where it was right on

797
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: that verge of spreading. And I um, but it had

798
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: luckily knock on wood. And I called Sandy, said, here's

799
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: the results. What do you want me to do? She said,

800
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: come to Seattle right now and we'll treat you. Here's

801
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: a new treatment. It's not not really new, it was

802
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: been around about eight years. It's called cyber knife, which

803
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: is it's not a it's a radio oncology type of

804
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: a treatment, which is five treatments high intensity radiation, extremely accurate.

805
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: They they put four fiducial markers inside your prostate and

806
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: they actually track it in real time, so then they

807
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: are able to apply this high dose radiation to your prostate.

808
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: It's not invasive, um. And they're they're using modern sort

809
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: of target tracking algorithms which there uh and it actually

810
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: your prostate moves and while you're on the table while

811
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: you're being treated, right, so uh, this machine then allows

812
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: the tracking device to track your prostate and apply the

813
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: radiation to an accuracy of less than a millimeter, which

814
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: is the most accurate treatment that's out there today. I mean,

815
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: bar none, nobody else can compare to it. So I

816
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: I elected to take that that treatment, and that was

817
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 1: three years ago. One of the problems that everybody fears

818
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: and prostate cancer treatment is the side effects. Traditionally, with

819
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: the old treatments, you have to deal with either incontinence

820
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: or rectile dysfunction or both. Uh. And that is the

821
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: that is the fear that most men have when you

822
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: start talking about prostate cancer. And it's when we start

823
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: talking about those functions that are that that men have

824
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: between your knees and your belly button. Um, you know,

825
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: it's sort of immediately unfortunately, we're the weaker gender, and

826
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: it affects our brain. Seems like our brains attached to

827
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: those uh another regions and where our ego gets involved,

828
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: and we don't want to address those issues, right. We

829
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: want to think that we're stronger than the cancer and

830
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: that we just can avoid it and ignore it and

831
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: we'll all be okay. Well, not a good strategy. Yeah, yeah,

832
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: your wife's will tell you that it's not a good strategy. Right,

833
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: And so, uh, this treatment was spectacular, It was not

834
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 1: no problem and uh and again knock on what today

835
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: there's still no side effects. And I have a three

836
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: year check up coming up in two months and we'll

837
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: see see what happens. But yeah, and so that everybody

838
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: knows the v A does not have this capability. They don't, um,

839
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: they can't treat you with cyber knife. They've recently bought

840
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: two of them. There's been one in Houston, so the

841
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: radiation oncology departments understand what it does. But and they've

842
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: endorsed the technology by buying a couple of them. One's

843
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: going to go into Houston or into Dallas, and one

844
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: is going to go to Tampa. Now you have to imagine, though,

845
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: that these are pretty advanced devices, right, advanced technology, and

846
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: so now the radiation oncology departments are going to have

847
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: to learn how to use the stings. So we're talking

848
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: about a few years of evolution before it's going to

849
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: be you know, really prevalent within inside the v A. Right.

850
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: So there's a hundred and about a hundred and eighty

851
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: of these devices in the United States, and this is

852
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: just one of the technologies that are out there. There's

853
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: robotic surgery that Eurologists are using. It's called the Da

854
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 1: Vinci machine, which really it's it's uh, it's robotic surgery.

855
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: It's very high end. It's a you know, quasi non invasive,

856
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: but you still have to go through the surgery and

857
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: stay in the hospital a couple of days. With with

858
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 1: my uh, with with the cyber knife treatment, I walked

859
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: in it was five day treatment, one hour a day

860
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: and left and walked away. No other nothing else, right,

861
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: So you go and listen to music for about an

862
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: hour a day and walk out and every day you

863
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: go back to work, you do whatever. Totally noninvasive, okay,

864
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: And so it's a it's one of those things where

865
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: UM highly recommended and this is sort of this difference

866
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: of state of the art. Right, So you've got the

867
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: v A which is still pushing scalpels around through people,

868
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 1: and you've got outside society that's doing five one hour

869
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: treatments and nobody, you know, there's no it's non invasive,

870
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: nobody even touches you, right, And so that's the level

871
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: of level of difference that we're talking about. And so

872
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: when we come back to, you know, the services and

873
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: the offerings of the Veterans Administration, they're great in certain areas,

874
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: in other areas they're unable. There's not enough money in

875
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: our national budget to actually bring the v A system

876
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: up to par with the state or the standard of

877
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: care that's available in private community, in the in the

878
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 1: private industry, because it's accelerated and technology advancements have accelerated

879
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: so fast that it's it's unable to keep up. I mean,

880
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,720
Speaker 1: our acquisition system is partly to be are right, partly

881
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 1: to blame because it takes us years to actually evaluate requirements,

882
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: build the machines, test the airplanes, and then put them

883
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: into service and train guys how to operate them. Well,

884
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: the same thing happens in in any government institution in

885
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: the United States, acquisition reform has not caught up. So

886
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: a lot of things touch, a lot of big issues

887
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: touch the v A and our concerns and how it

888
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: operates acquisitions is not our strong point in the military.

889
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: Sounds like, yeah, that's bled over the v A as well. Absolutely.

890
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: I mean you guys experience it, you know, and everybody

891
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: everybody from from using any kind of weapon system, whether

892
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: it's a new rifle, uh too, new airplanes? Right, I mean,

893
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: how long did it take to get the Joint Strike

894
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: fighter into service and wanted sixteen years or something like that.

895
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: It just is incredible, Right, So the same thing happens.

896
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: And so when you're talking about healthcare and advances in

897
00:51:55,080 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: healthcare and treatment options, UM, it's clear and safe to

898
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: say that the v A does not have state of

899
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: the art cancer care technology. It's just I mean, that's

900
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: it's not a bad mark about the v A, but

901
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: it's something I think that we need to realize, is

902
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: that UM. And really our organization is trying to educate

903
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: two sides of this this industry. One is the users

904
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: or the veterans themselves that you have options should you

905
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, you need to go get screened. First of all,

906
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: you need to know about your health. And that's part

907
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: of the education and awareness mission that we're putting out there,

908
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: is that the guys have to become aware and they

909
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: need to be educated on what the standards are and

910
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: what your health care is all about. What is the prostate?

911
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: First of all, why do you need to pay attention

912
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: to it? And why are you at risk that? That's

913
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: one of the missions. The second is that you have

914
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: of options should you be diagnosed with this disease, right,

915
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: you have options other than the archaic what I would

916
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: call archaic treatment options that are given to you inside

917
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: the v A. Don't just always accept what they say.

918
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: Go get a second opinion, and go get a second

919
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 1: opinion outside the v A. Go to another doctor and

920
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: see what they say. And then when that happens, you

921
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: have to know that you can access the choice program

922
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: or community care network and choose the right treatment for

923
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: you right in consultation with your doctors. Choose the right

924
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: treatment because everybody has different views on how they want

925
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: to be treated. You know, cyber knife may not be

926
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: the right one for you. Maybe you want to do

927
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,959
Speaker 1: Da Vinci surgery and just get it taken out. It's okay,

928
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: but if you're going to go down that route, know

929
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 1: what the standard of care is and know what your

930
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: options are and how are you going to get it

931
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: paid for? And so so those are really that's our

932
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: organization's mission, as as we've written it up, is to

933
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: really educate both veterans and providers that this program is

934
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: available and that it's all about making the right choice.

935
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: It's about knowing your options. Like like we're always trained

936
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: in the military, right from day one, know all of

937
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 1: your options, no know what you can do and what's

938
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: available to you and what resources you have, and then

939
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: apply them in the most efficient way to accomplish the mission. Right.

940
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really glad we could have you on today

941
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: to talk about this because I wasn't even aware of

942
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: the Choice program, never really even would have thought of it.

943
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: Um And you know, just to reiterate, uh, you know,

944
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: I don't have any service connected disability or rating or

945
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: anything like that, but you know, as you said, I'm

946
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: still eligible for v A Healthcare and I have a

947
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: v A I D Card on my wallet, and you

948
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: know a lot of other young veterans out there who

949
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: are listening into this, you should probably do yourself a

950
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: favor and go and get registered, you know, at v

951
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 1: A and get the ID card because you are eligible

952
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: for care Um even if you don't need it right now,

953
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: that's right, and uh, go get signed up. It's just

954
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 1: it's another card that you have to add to your

955
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: to your wallet, right, and you get another number. It's

956
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: another member I D that's the Choice Card, right and

957
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's gonna change over to Community Care Network

958
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: and that sort of thing, but you've got to get

959
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: into the program. Yeah, And I mean, and there's a

960
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: there's a great website and it's on the numbers on

961
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: our website as well at at vets Prostate dot org.

962
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: But you can you can just google um. Just search

963
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: for Choice Program v A Choice Program. You'll get a

964
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: one six six number that comes up. And dial that

965
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: number and tell them you want to register for the

966
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 1: Choice Card. And the more people we get out there

967
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: doing this sort of thing is the stronger it's going

968
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: to make the program them. And really, I mean, it

969
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: just gives you more options in your health care. And

970
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 1: you're just like you, for example, right you you go

971
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: to the v A or if you're registered with VA,

972
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 1: you go get your annual check up uh, any kind

973
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 1: of problems, Like I used the Choice program for next week,

974
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to a dermatology appointment because i v A

975
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: couldn't see me, right. I've used it for physical therapy.

976
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: I've used it for all sorts of different things that

977
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 1: are out there that have nothing to do with cancer

978
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 1: care or anything else. It's just the v A can't

979
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: can't see everybody that's out there. They don't have the capability.

980
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: And this is what this money was was allocated for.

981
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: So it's a benefit. Um, it's a great service, and

982
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: it it also helps, I think, integrate veterans into the

983
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: community and the community into the veterans population as well.

984
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: A lot of doctors want to provide that service to vets,

985
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: but they just don't know how. So as as you

986
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 1: meet doctors and you eat the medical community, encourage them

987
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: to go onto the provider's side of the Choice program

988
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 1: and sign up as a provider. Yeah. So I think

989
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 1: it's an important message to get signed up for Choice.

990
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: If you're a veteran, I appreciate you coming on, Mike.

991
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that there's probably people in the

992
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: audience that are, like, you know, people listen to sop

993
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: up radio and they like to hear like door kicker

994
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: stories and that type of thing. They want to hear

995
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: about the F four teens dropping bombs on bad Yes,

996
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: so this isn't necessarily the sexiest story, but it's important

997
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: in that you know, such a huge portion of the

998
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: audience is former military, and then a really big portion

999
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: of those guys are forty plus in this high risk

1000
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: category probably should get checked for prostate cancer. And I

1001
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: think if they happen to be listening, it's it's an

1002
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: important message here here. I am supposedly a military journalist

1003
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: and I haven't heard of the choice program, So I mean,

1004
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: I think it's really good that we get the word

1005
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: out about this. Yeah, so it's it's vets Prostate dot Org.

1006
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: Appreciate coming on Mike and anything else you want to

1007
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: get out there. Before you wrap this up, No, I

1008
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: want to thank you guys for the opportunity to uh

1009
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: to spread the word and you know you don't hear

1010
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: it enough, but thanks for your service and thanks for

1011
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: for continuing to get educate guys you have both on

1012
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: the door kicker stories and bomb dropping stories, but also

1013
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: on you know, it's good entertainment. We always need that

1014
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: a little bit of a break in the day right

1015
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: to to you know, to feed our egos. But the

1016
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: other part is that, you know, these are some very

1017
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: important issues that that we're all facing in that you know,

1018
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: we as a country need to be taken care of

1019
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: the of our veterans. I mean, we've we've been forced

1020
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: into this longest war in history. People are forgetting about it.

1021
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: You don't see the stories about what's going on in

1022
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: Afghanistan and now, um it's kind of old news. It

1023
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: shouldn't be it should be current news, and there should

1024
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: be a headline every day about it. But these are

1025
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: these are issues that that are are going to play

1026
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: us for a long time. And you know, I really

1027
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys taking the time. You don't have to

1028
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: do this radio show, and I really appreciate your your efforts.

1029
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: And let me know how else we can we can

1030
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: help you, uh, you know, to get the word out

1031
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: and and spread the word that you know, these are

1032
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: big issues and we need to you know, we just

1033
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: need to make people aware. Yeah, no, thank you, Mike.

1034
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: And you know, I think you're spot on that like

1035
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: socially or culturally, we haven't really started to feel the

1036
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: full impacts the full repercussions of this work quite yet.

1037
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: And you know, it's more and more guys come home,

1038
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: more and more guys retire from the service. We're going

1039
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: to start to see it. Um. So, I mean it's

1040
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: a good thing that you know, v A exists. Although

1041
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: it has some flaws. I mean, it's much better than nothing.

1042
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: It's much better than the way veterans and a lot

1043
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: of other countries are treated. Absolutely, and uh, you know,

1044
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: and and that's part of it. This isn't I don't

1045
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: ever want to be accused of bashing the v A.

1046
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: That's not that's that's not the deal. It's in my view,

1047
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: is that we all have to take a strain. We

1048
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: all have to be involved, and we have to be

1049
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: engaged to make it a better organization. And and and

1050
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: it is, like you said, it's what we have and

1051
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: so let's make it the best, the best organization that

1052
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: we can. And I think that if an organization can't

1053
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: accept a little bit of criticism and constructive criticism, then

1054
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: we've got bigger problems. But I do believe that the

1055
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: VA is open to listen to ideas and to address

1056
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: some of these issues. And so this is just we

1057
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: gotta stay on top of it, and it's going to

1058
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: take us guys that are involved in it to keep pushing.

1059
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: And then I really appreciate the voice and appreciate the

1060
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: access to get in the word out. You know. It's

1061
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: interesting about that interview, was um as he mentioned that

1062
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders and John McCain were advocates of the Choice program.

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Speaker 1: So last episode with Alex, we were talking about how

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Speaker 1: the v A on some level is socialism and yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a government provided healthcare program. Isn't it

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Speaker 1: kind of interesting that this guy who advocates for socialism

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Speaker 1: or as he calls it, democratic socialism, is pretty much

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Speaker 1: admitting that sometimes the free market has a better solution

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Speaker 1: than a socialist program, because that's what this is you're

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Speaker 1: talking about, Bernie. Yeah, you're jumping into the free market

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Speaker 1: and leaving the socialist program that you're in to be

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Speaker 1: with the rest of the public and you know, find

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Speaker 1: other options available. Yeah. I mean you would think that

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Speaker 1: somebody who's a committed socialist that they would want as

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Speaker 1: many people as possible inside government run programs, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: That's why it was interesting to me. Um. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I I don't whatever I mean, I'm glad that Bernie

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Speaker 1: and McCain both worked on that. Stuff like that should

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Speaker 1: probably happen more often. Yeah, to me, it just sounds

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Speaker 1: like a more Um, it sounds like a more conservative

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Speaker 1: idea traditionally. I mean, I don't know that. I guess

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Speaker 1: it's it's a it leverages the free market. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't really care if it's conservative

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Speaker 1: or liberal. It makes zero difference to me personally. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it makes sense to sign up because the main

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Speaker 1: point that he made was that whether you sign up

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Speaker 1: or not, they're getting this money, they're getting it allocated

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Speaker 1: to them. The American contribution to political philosophy is realism. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm a realist. I mean, if it works, it works,

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Speaker 1: I'm fine with it. Um. As I said, we had

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Speaker 1: a really good email here, So getting into that this

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Speaker 1: was sent by the way people always tweet me and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Where do I send emails soft rep dot Radio at

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Speaker 1: soft rep dot com, keep them concise? We get to

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Speaker 1: what we can here. Um, but I thought this was

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Speaker 1: a really good one. Hello Ian and Jack. First off,

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Speaker 1: I want to start by saying that I absolutely love

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Speaker 1: your show. Started listening to it back in January eighteen

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Speaker 1: and have been hooked on ever since. As someone who

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Speaker 1: loves reading about spec Ops Special Forces units from around

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Speaker 1: the world, this podcast has been a godsend. Also shout

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Speaker 1: out to you Ian for solo hosting the shows while

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Speaker 1: Jack was away. Especially loved episode with Pat McNamara and

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Speaker 1: Sean the Butcher about metal and heavy metal. As a

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Speaker 1: huge metal fan myself, I absolutely love it. Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much. I just recently removed moved to the US

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Speaker 1: for grad school and softwarep keeps me entertained when I

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Speaker 1: have nothing to do and also while working out, so

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Speaker 1: thank you once again. You know it's funny. I hear

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Speaker 1: that a lot of people working out that I couldn't

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Speaker 1: work out to a podcast podcast I need music or

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Speaker 1: I don't know, people talking wouldn't do it for me.

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Speaker 1: But just just saying it. If you're working out while

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Speaker 1: listening to US, I don't know. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: this is motivational, but you guys are hardcore. You get

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Speaker 1: to listen to my velvety voice. Yeah, like Alex does. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Alex Hollins said that he's worked after them. No, I can't.

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Speaker 1: I always listen to music. Yeah, So anyway, says now

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Speaker 1: onto the Indian Special Forces. I know that India and

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Speaker 1: the US have a cross of trust, have had a

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Speaker 1: lot of cross training between their special forces, and since

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Speaker 1: Jack has served in s F, I was wondering whether

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Speaker 1: he is any experience with the Army Para SF or

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Speaker 1: the Navy Marcos or what the general perception of Indian

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Speaker 1: SF is in the U s PEC ops community. Once again, guys,

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Speaker 1: keep up the good work and thanks for reading this

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Speaker 1: regards And that's from to Chart and I are uh, yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: it's a very very interesting subject to me personally, I

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Speaker 1: don't have any actual experience working with Indian Special Operations units.

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Speaker 1: There's a handful of different ones. Some are military UM.

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Speaker 1: They also have paramilitary UM components that work for like

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Speaker 1: their intelligence services, the Intelligence Bureau and the Research and

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Speaker 1: Analysis Wing r A w UM. They have their paramilitary

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Speaker 1: units UM. They sometimes do cross border operations as well. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's a very very interesting history. I find India to

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Speaker 1: be a very interesting country. One of my dreams I

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Speaker 1: always wanted to go and do like some sort of

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Speaker 1: embed with Indian Special Operations because that's just something like

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Speaker 1: nobody else is doing. No one else is really like

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Speaker 1: as far as a journalism is concerned in the United States,

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Speaker 1: I've never seen anyone do that. Um. And I think

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Speaker 1: that just the politics and the cultural dynamics are so

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Speaker 1: interesting over there. Uh. As far as like a general

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Speaker 1: impression of Indian special operations amongst our guys, I don't

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Speaker 1: know that there is a general impression because I don't

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Speaker 1: think we worked together closely with them enough. Um. I

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01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: could be wrong. I just never really heard it come

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Speaker 1: up in conversation. Um. But for what it's worth, my

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Speaker 1: point of view is I think we should develop those

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Speaker 1: relationships with India much much closer. I think India should

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Speaker 1: be our best friend. Is this is a country of

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Speaker 1: you know, like a billion people. They are a democracy

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Speaker 1: there are it's a flawed democracy. They have problems there,

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Speaker 1: but they still have the untouchable question. They have all

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Speaker 1: kinds of there's all kinds of poverty, I mean everything,

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Speaker 1: but they are working towards something, They're building something. They're

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Speaker 1: also they are not the communist country of China. China

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Speaker 1: which is creating this like sci fi dystopia, this Orwellian

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Speaker 1: construct quote unquote harmonize a population. I mean, China is

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Speaker 1: a bad actor. Their government is a bad actor. I

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Speaker 1: have no problem with Chinese people or Chinese traditional culture.

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Speaker 1: I don't have any issue with that. I think some

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Speaker 1: of the big biggest critics of China, at least here

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Speaker 1: in the US, are of Chinese descent. Yeah, of course,

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Speaker 1: because they had to live with it. Gordon Shang, who

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Speaker 1: is no longer allowed in the country, is extremely critical

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Speaker 1: of China. Yes, UM, so I think we UM for

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Speaker 1: that reason, amongst others. We should be good friends with India,

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Speaker 1: and I would again for what it's worth, and my

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Speaker 1: point of view is that we should develop relationships with

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Speaker 1: the Indian military and with the Indian intelligence services UM

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Speaker 1: to have a very close relationship ideally UM, sort of

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Speaker 1: like what we have with UM with some of our

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Speaker 1: Five Eyes partners for example. UM. What is probably preventing

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Speaker 1: that to some extent or what makes that problematic is

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Speaker 1: uh that country next door, Pakistan constant thorn in our side.

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Speaker 1: I'd uh and the Indians and the Pakistani intelligence services

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Speaker 1: have no love loss for one another, of course, UM.

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Speaker 1: And that all of that plays into Afghanistan and America's

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Speaker 1: role in Afghanistan UM, and our fears of the Pakistani

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Speaker 1: government destabilizing when they have nuclear weapons, so very complicated.

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Speaker 1: UM relationship there if you want, if you're interested in

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Speaker 1: going on our website on news rep UM and clicking

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Speaker 1: around a little bit. There is a series of articles

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Speaker 1: I did about the history of Indian Intelligence services and

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Speaker 1: I read probably, like geez, like five or six different

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Speaker 1: books and memoirs written by UM retired Indian intelligence professionals. UM.

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Speaker 1: And and again it's just a fascinating history and all

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Speaker 1: the games that got played. It plays into the history

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Speaker 1: of Pakistan, Bangladesh, UH, separatist movements in sick Hum UM,

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Speaker 1: all kind of very very interesting lots of in trieg

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Speaker 1: UH dealing with seek separatist movements in the nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just all sorts of stuff that people wouldn't

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Speaker 1: think of and UM, very fascinating intelligence operations. So you

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Speaker 1: can go take a look for that if you'd like. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the email, and I mean, if anybody happens

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Speaker 1: to be listening, that is, former Indian special operations would

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Speaker 1: love to have you on the podcast. Absolutely feel free

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Speaker 1: to reach out. I mean, I think our listeners prefer

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Speaker 1: to hear it from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

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Speaker 1: Then listen to my opinions based on research. So I

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Speaker 1: mean it would be awesome to have someone like that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've had a pretty big international um presence

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Speaker 1: in terms of the guests, no one from India, so

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Speaker 1: we'd love to have that happen. Um. I mentioned that

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Speaker 1: we have a story up at news rep about supposed

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Speaker 1: new evidence about Malaysian Airlines flight MH seventeen. But just

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Speaker 1: like everybody here, I'm critical if anything that comes out

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Speaker 1: of Russia's so uh. This is from Moscow, Russia. By

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Speaker 1: the way, the article it's short if you want to

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Speaker 1: read it, is on news up by stavros Uh. The

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Speaker 1: Russian government submits new evidence regarding Malaysia Airlines flight MG seventeen,

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Speaker 1: and since it's short, I'll read the whole thing. Um Moscow, Russia.

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Speaker 1: The Russian government has accused the Ukrainians security forces of

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Speaker 1: being the perpetuators behind the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight

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Speaker 1: MH seventeen. On July, Malaysia Airlines flight MH seventeen from

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Speaker 1: Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpar was shot down by a missile

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Speaker 1: in Ukrainian airspace. All two passengers died. The majority were

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Speaker 1: Dutch citizens, but other nationalities were also on the casualty list. Immediately,

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Speaker 1: suspicions fell upon Russia and the Russian backed rebels of

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Speaker 1: the Donesque People's Republic, who both denied any knowledge. However,

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Speaker 1: the chief Dutch investigator at first said that the missile

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Speaker 1: was fired by a Russian military unit in the pro

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Speaker 1: proximity of Kursk, which is very close to the Russo

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Speaker 1: Ukrainian border. Further evidence, however, indicated that missile was tired

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Speaker 1: from eastern Ukraine. In response, the European Union imposed economic

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Speaker 1: sanctions on Russia. Last May. Australia and the Netherlands directly

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Speaker 1: named the Russian government as responsible, but now the Russian

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Speaker 1: government has released new evidence that supports the contrary the Russia.

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Speaker 1: The country's Defense ministry has published the missile serial number.

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Speaker 1: The number indicates that the b UK missile responsible for

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Speaker 1: the tragedy was shipped to Ukraine before the collapse of

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Speaker 1: the Soviet Union. The Russian spokespersonan The Russian spokesperson stated

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Speaker 1: that the missile was never returned to Russia. The missile

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Speaker 1: with the serial number eight eight six eight four seven

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Speaker 1: three seven nine intended for the b UK missile system.

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Speaker 1: December six was sent by rail transport to military Unit

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Speaker 1: number two to zero one five to said Nicole I Partition,

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Speaker 1: a Russian military spokesperson. After the breakup of the Soviet Union,

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Speaker 1: the missile was not brought onto Russian soil and was

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Speaker 1: incorporated into the Ukrainian Armed Forces, added Partition. Following the disaster,

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Speaker 1: investigators from Australia, Belgium, in the Netherlands, Malaysia and Ukraine

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Speaker 1: formed the Joint Investigation Team. After the missile's origin had

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Speaker 1: been identified, the j i T questioned further information about

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Speaker 1: its origin from the Russian Defense Ministry. J I T

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Speaker 1: said that they could study the new evidence and included

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Speaker 1: in their report. The j i T will carefully study

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Speaker 1: the information brought out by the Russian Federation as soon

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Speaker 1: as the documents are made available, they said in a statement.

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Speaker 1: As a caveat, the j i T also highlighted that

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Speaker 1: previous information furnished by the Russian authorities were incorrect and misleading.

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Speaker 1: The Russian government also called video footage that shows the

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Speaker 1: b UK missile entering Rebel Hell territory and used Ukraine fake.

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Speaker 1: This was based on the light conditions in the video

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Speaker 1: from Kiev's side. The Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko refused to

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Speaker 1: sign the extension of a friendship agreement with Moscow. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if if this tells us anything more

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Speaker 1: about this current Malaysian flight. Was also surprised that the

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Speaker 1: missile was from that long ago, from you know, basically

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Speaker 1: when I was born. For a more recent news story, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't really buy it. Um. I mean, unfortunately, we're

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Speaker 1: probably never going to find out the true story of

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Speaker 1: what happened there. So if you want to check that out,

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Speaker 1: it's by Stavros up Now on the news rep dot com.

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Speaker 1: That was at the point where it's like, I don't

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Speaker 1: think I'm flying Malaysia. Yeah, because I remember the few

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Speaker 1: stories within each other. Um. Last thing I want to

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Speaker 1: mention um as well as I saw earlier today, Mike

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Speaker 1: Pence gave a speech at the Korean War Veterans Moral Museum,

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Speaker 1: Uh for a flag presentation. I was trying to find

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Speaker 1: I think it was just a flag presentation there, and

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Speaker 1: he spoke the forgotten War. Yeah, very true. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: his speech. Good having Mike on. As I said, it's

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Speaker 1: that Chris developed UM and I got some emails and

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Speaker 1: I believe that Chris is working on a separate SOFTWAREP

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Speaker 1: And that's really it. The next guests that we have

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Speaker 1: on is I'm trying to remember how to pronounce Mark's

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Speaker 1: last name behind you. But Mark was a guy that

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Speaker 1: I know you wanted me to reach out to. Jack.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to, uh, do you know how to say

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Speaker 1: his last name? Mark Ga. He's the guy I reached

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Speaker 1: out to Twitter. Looks like Jackknia you know what I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about? That? Yeah, special Forces dude who a book

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Speaker 1: about I mean, he he had an interesting career throughout

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Speaker 1: the nineties, you know. UM, I think he's gonna have

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Speaker 1: a lot of interesting stuff to talk about. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: he'll be the next guy on. We have a lot

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Speaker 1: of big guests UM on the horizon that I just

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Speaker 1: I can't announce yet, but yeah, you guys are gonna

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Speaker 1: be excited for that type of stuff. Um. Anything else

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Speaker 1: I mean has always follow us on softwarep Radio at

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Speaker 1: softwarepper Radio, on Twitter, on Instagram, leave us a review

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Speaker 1: on Apple Podcasts. Anything review, man, No, I think that's it. Um, No,

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Speaker 1: nothing to talk about today. Well he talked about the

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Speaker 1: bogram Babe, that was a lot of what was worth

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Speaker 1: talking about today. Don't get me started again. I think

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Speaker 1: the only other thing, as I mentioned before, of newsworthy stuff,

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Speaker 1: when I saw that Jon Jones is gonna fight again,

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Speaker 1: I was like, that would be cool Jim West show

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Speaker 1: to talk about. I think, regardless of like that guy's

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Speaker 1: many troubles, I think he's the best fighter out there.

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Speaker 1: I think Jim would probably did you see the news

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Speaker 1: about Cody Wilson know what about him? He uh supposedly

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Speaker 1: fled to Taiwan because there's like a warrnt out for

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Speaker 1: his arrest. Holy sh it for what sex with a minor? Jeez? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: uh he paid allegedly paid five dollars to have sex

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Speaker 1: with a sixteen year old girl in a hotel room.

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Speaker 1: And uh we had so. Cody Wilson is the cat

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Speaker 1: who's behind like the three D printing a gun. So

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Speaker 1: he's a guy that we we wanted on the show.

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Speaker 1: At one We contacted him and we scheduled him to

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Speaker 1: do a show to talk about there was like everybody

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Speaker 1: printing guns, and uh, he flaked out on us. He

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Speaker 1: just like disappeared, and so we're like, Okay, what the

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Speaker 1: funk ever? Moving on? Uh? And then I saw the

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Speaker 1: news yesterday that um, yes, he wanted by us marshals.

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Speaker 1: Um And I saw that news and I was like,

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Speaker 1: thank the fuck Christ, we didn't this guy up. I mean,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's not our fault. No,

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Speaker 1: of course, it's not our fault that this as a criminal,

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Speaker 1: but um no, I'm just glad that we didn't give

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Speaker 1: this due to platform. I agree. I agree. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks for checking this out. As always, UM, I can't

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Speaker 1: stress it enough. We've a review on Apple podcast that

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Speaker 1: stuff really helps us out and we appreciate all the feedback.

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Speaker 1: If you want to follow Jack on Twitter, it's at

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Speaker 1: Jack Murphy r GR. On Instagram at Jack mcmurph. I'm

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at Ian Scott. Follow me for woke tweets.

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