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Speaker 1: John Murphy and Steve Tasker. We're getting set for our

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Speaker 1: number two of one Bill's Live and joining us on

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Speaker 1: the line is our usual Friday guests. Happy to have

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Speaker 1: him as well. John Murphy at home, Steep Taskers at home,

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Speaker 1: and on the line of this is Greg Cosell, NFL

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Speaker 1: Film Senior producer, co host of NFL Matchup on ESPN. Greg,

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Speaker 1: How are you everything, everything holding up down there in

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Speaker 1: the suburban Philadelphia these days? Murph? We're doing the best

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Speaker 1: we can so far, so good. You know, uncertain times

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Speaker 1: we live in right now, so we just try to,

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Speaker 1: I guess, to look for normalcy. YEP. One of the

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Speaker 1: things that's been hovering around the NFL over the past

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Speaker 1: day and a half, obviously Todd Gurley getting getting released

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Speaker 1: and picked up immediately by the Atlanta Falcons. Melvin Gordon's

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Speaker 1: name has been floating around our show all day. It

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Speaker 1: looks as though maybe it's been starting to be reported

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Speaker 1: What kind of back is Melvin Gordon at this point?

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Speaker 1: I know he's been to the Pro Bowl twice, but

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Speaker 1: the kind of player he is. It's funny, Steve, because

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Speaker 1: due to his lack of durability. I want and Greg

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Speaker 1: if you're running the Buffalo Bills, would you need or

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Speaker 1: even how badly would you want Melvin Gordon or a

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Speaker 1: the Bills are not only stopping at the running back position,

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Speaker 1: They've also made one of the premier trades of the offseason.

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Speaker 1: He saw DeAndre Hopkins go to the Arizona Cardinals and

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Speaker 1: How good do you see Stefan Diggs? How good a

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Speaker 1: his name won't come up. But he's a really solid

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Speaker 1: Vernon Butler was a first round pick of the Carolina

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Speaker 1: He's probably best as a one technique because he's about

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Speaker 1: this point in his career a rotational player, but those

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Speaker 1: guys have become so important now. Greg. Since the Senior

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Speaker 1: I know Tyler Madeckevitch. He actually sat in my office

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