1
00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,040
Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

2
00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:10,280
Speaker 2: What Up People?

3
00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,040
Speaker 3: June is here and that means it's Flat Music Month,

4
00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,079
Speaker 3: and that Quest Love Supreme now the Quest Love Show.

5
00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,080
Speaker 3: We've taken this month seriously. It's our chance to celebrate

6
00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:24,200
Speaker 3: blat music, document its history, and recognize the impact it

7
00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,800
Speaker 3: continues to have on our culture around the world.

8
00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:27,680
Speaker 2: GARYL.

9
00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,960
Speaker 3: June, We'll be bringing you an episode every day.

10
00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,519
Speaker 2: My team and I have gone back through.

11
00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,760
Speaker 3: The archives and pulled to gather conversations, stories and moments

12
00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,960
Speaker 3: that help tell a biggest story about black music and

13
00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,120
Speaker 3: the people who shaped it. We also got four brand

14
00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:48,600
Speaker 3: new Quest Love Show episodes coming your way, spotlining artists, thinkers, innovators,

15
00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:54,080
Speaker 3: cultural shifters, revolutionaries from across the spectrum of black music, past,

16
00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,880
Speaker 3: present and future. Thanks for spinning. You're part of June

17
00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,000
Speaker 3: with us, Happy Black Music monk.

18
00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:15,320
Speaker 2: All right, Oh damn, I'm paid bills. What the hell?

19
00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:24,880
Speaker 3: Snap son, Jesus Christ, Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode.

20
00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:32,520
Speaker 4: Of course, I'm supreme. I'm sorry, Bill, Thank you very much. Yeah,

21
00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,399
Speaker 4: all right, starring up. Pay Bill Man, you're in the house.

22
00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,920
Speaker 2: You even with even with a Tony You're you're still

23
00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:41,319
Speaker 2: with us.

24
00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,200
Speaker 5: I know, I'm just close from not.

25
00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,640
Speaker 6: I'm here for Billy.

26
00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,800
Speaker 2: The second you complete, you got, you're not gonna mess

27
00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,920
Speaker 2: with this anymore. The second he got before you, Hell yeah,

28
00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,880
Speaker 2: I'm getting out. Bill loves Supreme. I taking everybody with

29
00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:09,000
Speaker 2: cover too, He says, right, exactly, all right, sir Steve,

30
00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,320
Speaker 2: you're still loyal, correct to Bill Sherman.

31
00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,080
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, hey, at least you lord of somebody.

32
00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,160
Speaker 2: We got Funicolo in the crib. What's up? Brother?

33
00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,359
Speaker 7: You call us good bro? Yeah, I'm good man. Were

34
00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:22,160
Speaker 7: down twenty six?

35
00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:26,680
Speaker 2: Cause? Yeah, nice? We move, we move, we moveing weight son.

36
00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,120
Speaker 3: I like the fact that we down twenty six actually

37
00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:31,960
Speaker 3: is a good thing, because normally that could mean like

38
00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:33,920
Speaker 3: Atlanta is down by twenty six or you.

39
00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:40,120
Speaker 2: Down twenty six thousand dollars? Exactly what it is?

40
00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,519
Speaker 5: The game, na man?

41
00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:48,040
Speaker 3: You know, it's still trying trying to live past fifty. Yes,

42
00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,600
Speaker 3: which is you know, struggle, super struggle.

43
00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:52,840
Speaker 2: How are you?

44
00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:53,040
Speaker 8: Hey?

45
00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,520
Speaker 6: I'm good man, I'm feeling all right, feeling all right.

46
00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,160
Speaker 2: We're good all right, ladies and gentlemen. Uh, what can

47
00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:00,600
Speaker 2: I say?

48
00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:06,080
Speaker 3: Our guest is a freakin' legend known to us of course,

49
00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:12,320
Speaker 3: as one third of probably one of my favorite groups.

50
00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,400
Speaker 3: I don't know, I can't categorize Shalamar as a soul group.

51
00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,120
Speaker 2: I can't categorize them as a pop group or a

52
00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:20,840
Speaker 2: bookie group.

53
00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,240
Speaker 3: But you know, I mean because they transitioned between disco,

54
00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,400
Speaker 3: between bookie and between new wave eighties pop, you know

55
00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,200
Speaker 3: they were everlasting. And you know, of course, our guest

56
00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:38,760
Speaker 3: today is, without saying, a singer's singer, a real singer

57
00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:44,000
Speaker 3: and awesome singer has had such a story career singing

58
00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,040
Speaker 3: the soundtrack of our lives. I don't even want to

59
00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,720
Speaker 3: waste one minute in my patent long nineteen minute intros.

60
00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,360
Speaker 3: I will just say, welcome to Quest Left Supreme, the

61
00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,040
Speaker 3: one and only Howard Hewitt.

62
00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,800
Speaker 2: Thank you, yes, indeed, thank you, thank you for coming.

63
00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't wait till we're off of zoom so

64
00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,080
Speaker 3: we could have like real hand claps again, like the

65
00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:09,800
Speaker 3: last seven episodes were all.

66
00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:12,080
Speaker 2: Breathing.

67
00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,280
Speaker 5: And that's what that's what it's a killer, because that's

68
00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,440
Speaker 5: exactly what it sounds like when you're in, when you're

69
00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:18,760
Speaker 5: in like a huge.

70
00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:24,960
Speaker 2: Crowd, like right, exactly right, all right, we'll be effects week.

71
00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,240
Speaker 2: How are you today? What's going on?

72
00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,120
Speaker 5: Very good, very well, Just just like we were talking

73
00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,720
Speaker 5: earlier about I do my my daily walk and I'm

74
00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,200
Speaker 5: trying to stay ahead of this heat out here. It's

75
00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,080
Speaker 5: like crazy, man, really crazy out here in California. Well

76
00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:47,000
Speaker 5: where I am, it's different temperatures different, Yeah, Long Beach.

77
00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,679
Speaker 5: Out of the Long Beach. Yesterday it was like seventy

78
00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,880
Speaker 5: seven degrees out here all day yesterday was like a

79
00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,920
Speaker 5: hundred and real field was one hundred and eight. So

80
00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,720
Speaker 5: Jesus great, what one hundred and eight?

81
00:04:58,800 --> 00:04:58,960
Speaker 2: Man?

82
00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,680
Speaker 5: It was one of those times you just stay in

83
00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,440
Speaker 5: that you stay in the house, you don't even go outside.

84
00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,440
Speaker 6: Close the curtains.

85
00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,960
Speaker 3: Actually, you you mentioned something that this this actually might

86
00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,240
Speaker 3: be inspirational for me. How often do you have to

87
00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:19,320
Speaker 3: commit to the daily walk. I'll admit that I will

88
00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,880
Speaker 3: often let my work schedule become become my excuse to

89
00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:24,919
Speaker 3: get out of it.

90
00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,919
Speaker 2: So I've been I've been.

91
00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,320
Speaker 3: Sort of religious about the daily walk, but in the

92
00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,640
Speaker 3: last two weeks I've sort of slacked off on it

93
00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,200
Speaker 3: just due to the scheduling of it.

94
00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,680
Speaker 2: But how important is the daily walked? Because before we

95
00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,240
Speaker 2: were rolling, we were just basically.

96
00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:47,279
Speaker 3: Talking about the struggle to survive, especially for black people

97
00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,760
Speaker 3: to struggle to survive past fifty without.

98
00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,000
Speaker 2: You know, some sort of condition happening. So you know,

99
00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:52,560
Speaker 2: like I'm.

100
00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,160
Speaker 3: Sure, I'm certain that most of us that are on

101
00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,800
Speaker 3: our walking thing is doing it for health reasons and whatnot.

102
00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:02,279
Speaker 5: So conditioning, you know, conditioning. And but for me, especially

103
00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,919
Speaker 5: for the past year, since the since the pandemic, it

104
00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,200
Speaker 5: was almost like in the beginning of the pandemic, it

105
00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,800
Speaker 5: was a spiritual thing for me because it was like

106
00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,359
Speaker 5: it was almost like God said to me, he said,

107
00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,920
Speaker 5: I'm going to remove everything from you that can distract

108
00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,560
Speaker 5: you from me. You did what I'm saying. Me and

109
00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,279
Speaker 5: my girl broke up a couple of months before before COVID.

110
00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,599
Speaker 5: You know, my partner. I'm not saying that that's why

111
00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,320
Speaker 5: he took him away from here, but he passed Like

112
00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,560
Speaker 5: in the beginning, the very beginning of of COVID, I

113
00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,840
Speaker 5: known this this cat since I was twenty years old

114
00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:38,760
Speaker 5: and my best friend.

115
00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:39,440
Speaker 2: Right.

116
00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:44,360
Speaker 5: So, but through my career, I've gone through you know, death,

117
00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,200
Speaker 5: my mom and dad. You know, I've gone through breakups

118
00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,159
Speaker 5: and all that kind of stuff. Some of the saddest

119
00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:54,000
Speaker 5: times that I spent in my career was spent on stage.

120
00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,119
Speaker 5: You did what I'm saying, because and I had my work.

121
00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,440
Speaker 5: I always had my work. And so so he said,

122
00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,840
Speaker 5: no distractions now and he said, he said, and I'm

123
00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,200
Speaker 5: gonna take that away from you right now, you know.

124
00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,200
Speaker 5: And then and then my next question in my spirit was,

125
00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,040
Speaker 5: now what you're gonna do? You know what I'm saying.

126
00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,960
Speaker 5: And so that's when I did a daily I did

127
00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:22,200
Speaker 5: a daily reading. I get up, I read a daily situation.

128
00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,800
Speaker 5: I read. I started from Genesis in my Bible and went,

129
00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,200
Speaker 5: I'm all the way up almost halfway through the New

130
00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,680
Speaker 5: Testament now, you know, and and all the way and

131
00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,440
Speaker 5: every day. Because when I built my house, I had

132
00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,320
Speaker 5: them build a deck off of right, I can I

133
00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,680
Speaker 5: can roll out of bed in five or six steps.

134
00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,240
Speaker 5: I'm right outside on my deck, you know what I'm saying.

135
00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:49,679
Speaker 5: So that was my daily devotion between me, God, Christ,

136
00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,720
Speaker 5: the Holy Spirit. And so it was like and with that,

137
00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,760
Speaker 5: I started a whole situation as far as like we

138
00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,640
Speaker 5: were being shut in, but that didn't mean that we

139
00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,640
Speaker 5: had to be conspictators. So like when I in the

140
00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,720
Speaker 5: beginning of the pandemic, you know, I got out on

141
00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,239
Speaker 5: my bike there's like a fifteen to twenty mile route

142
00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,880
Speaker 5: that I can take around my crib. I got out

143
00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,400
Speaker 5: on my bike and then in the middle of that

144
00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,360
Speaker 5: fifteen to twenty miles route, I decided I stopped to

145
00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:19,920
Speaker 5: take a break, and I said, well, let me go

146
00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,920
Speaker 5: on Facebook, my Facebook fan page Live. Let me go

147
00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,360
Speaker 5: on live for a minute. And I went on there

148
00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:31,080
Speaker 5: and all these people started flooding into the thing, what's up,

149
00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:32,880
Speaker 5: what's going while you're doing you know, what's happening? Blah

150
00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,600
Speaker 5: blah blah blah blah. And so then that told me

151
00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,600
Speaker 5: that people are in But you know, and the thing

152
00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,320
Speaker 5: about this pandemic, about this virus rather is that it

153
00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:47,440
Speaker 5: thrives on It thrived on low immune systems. It thrived

154
00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:53,199
Speaker 5: on load vitamin D deficiencies, which is really heavy and

155
00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:58,120
Speaker 5: all especially within black people, right, so and so like

156
00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,480
Speaker 5: it was like that when I started. When I started,

157
00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,240
Speaker 5: I said, Okay, I'm gonna do it my walk, because

158
00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,800
Speaker 5: I do it like a four mile walk. And then

159
00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,480
Speaker 5: and at first I was walking and had my had

160
00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,080
Speaker 5: my had my phone in my hand walking, I'm walking

161
00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,320
Speaker 5: and talking at the same time, right, and then I'm

162
00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,760
Speaker 5: like I wasn't getting any benefit from the walk actually

163
00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,280
Speaker 5: because I'm not pacing myself. So then eventually I did

164
00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,560
Speaker 5: in the middle of the four miles, after about two miles,

165
00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,839
Speaker 5: i'd stop at a specific place and then I talk right.

166
00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,880
Speaker 5: So first at first it was fac dot dot dot

167
00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:37,160
Speaker 5: and life right, fresh air cardio, all that leads to life,

168
00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,600
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And then after we started

169
00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,679
Speaker 5: talking and I started having these conversations my my, you know,

170
00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,080
Speaker 5: take on what was happening as far as the last

171
00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,200
Speaker 5: administration was concerned, my take on you know, the virus,

172
00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,000
Speaker 5: my take on this, my take, and people were chiming in.

173
00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,880
Speaker 5: Then it became a conversation. So then I added fac

174
00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,200
Speaker 5: c at another C dot dot and like fresh air

175
00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:08,440
Speaker 5: cardio conversation, which adds the communication, understanding each other and

176
00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,280
Speaker 5: all that leads to life, you know what I'm saying.

177
00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:16,800
Speaker 5: So it's almost like now, after all this time, it's

178
00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,240
Speaker 5: like I feel like I'm obligated to get on there

179
00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,920
Speaker 5: for my people, so like, you know, the people that

180
00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:27,440
Speaker 5: have have dedicated themselves to being there, so I have

181
00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,040
Speaker 5: a dedication to that myself. So on top of that,

182
00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,360
Speaker 5: getting you know, my health and keeping my health up

183
00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,440
Speaker 5: and keeping everything up you know. It's it's like, okay,

184
00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,560
Speaker 5: I can. I can take the time to do all

185
00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:45,160
Speaker 5: that stuff. Sometimes, you know, the schedule will well like

186
00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,480
Speaker 5: get in the way as far as like how early

187
00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,240
Speaker 5: I start, how early I can get out there. But

188
00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,319
Speaker 5: I'm always going to get out there, you know what

189
00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,520
Speaker 5: I'm saying. Every day, every day, I'm out there every day.

190
00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:56,160
Speaker 2: I love it.

191
00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,840
Speaker 5: Even on the weekend. I know, I don't come on.

192
00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,840
Speaker 5: I ain't on the weekend. I don't go live on

193
00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,040
Speaker 5: the weekend, but I get out there and do something

194
00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,280
Speaker 5: on the weekend, do a daily show. Okay, yeah, all right,

195
00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,200
Speaker 5: well yeah.

196
00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,840
Speaker 3: How are you just let it be known that you're

197
00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:15,280
Speaker 3: definitely the straw that broke the all right, fine if

198
00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,320
Speaker 3: you That's what I needed to hear, you know, because

199
00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:19,960
Speaker 3: people have been get on me like, yo, man, you

200
00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,960
Speaker 3: slacking off. Man, you you're committed your da da da

201
00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:24,439
Speaker 3: you're falling off, like you.

202
00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,320
Speaker 2: Know, my partners don't walk with and all that stuff.

203
00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,000
Speaker 3: So they were getting on me today about that, like

204
00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,280
Speaker 3: you ain't walked in like ten.

205
00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,880
Speaker 2: Days, a mirite. So all right, I now know.

206
00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,760
Speaker 5: I now know that I have to It's important, man,

207
00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,280
Speaker 5: It's really important because you know, you all you know,

208
00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,040
Speaker 5: all you got. If you don't have anything else, you

209
00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,000
Speaker 5: know you got and you have your health. If you

210
00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,400
Speaker 5: if everything's jacked up, everything can.

211
00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:47,920
Speaker 2: Be going well.

212
00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,199
Speaker 5: But if you don't have your health, man, that's crazy.

213
00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,000
Speaker 5: It's crazy. And then if stuff is jacked up and

214
00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,640
Speaker 5: your health is jacked up, that's like a whole other thing.

215
00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:58,920
Speaker 5: There's a whole other situation.

216
00:11:58,960 --> 00:11:59,760
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right.

217
00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,840
Speaker 3: Well, I'm brother, you look awesome like you you look

218
00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:05,040
Speaker 3: great and great health.

219
00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,000
Speaker 6: That's the five year old gold.

220
00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:07,680
Speaker 2: That's it.

221
00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:09,040
Speaker 5: Sixty five.

222
00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:15,320
Speaker 2: Late forties to me, like for real, for real, they

223
00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,480
Speaker 2: still look great. Six. So yeah.

224
00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,400
Speaker 3: The the question I want to pose to you, of course,

225
00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,160
Speaker 3: is the first question always ask on the show. Uh,

226
00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,520
Speaker 3: could you please tell us what your first musical memory was?

227
00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:36,480
Speaker 5: My first musical memory, man was Actually I would think

228
00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:43,960
Speaker 5: Isley Brothers, Sam Cook and my grandmother's garage. When we

229
00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,959
Speaker 5: would have all the holidays we would we would it

230
00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,679
Speaker 5: would always be at my grandmother, my grandma fitz Hugh's house.

231
00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,920
Speaker 2: And well, you mean records or in person.

232
00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,920
Speaker 5: No records I'm talking about say damn.

233
00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,480
Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, oh, you're talking about live as

234
00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,560
Speaker 2: far as no, no, no, no, no, no, I mean your first memory.

235
00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,320
Speaker 5: All right, Yeah, that's that's one of musical because we played.

236
00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,680
Speaker 5: I wasn't I was when I was five years old,

237
00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,960
Speaker 5: four or five years old. I was in charge of

238
00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,800
Speaker 5: like playing the forty fives and stuff and and they

239
00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,120
Speaker 5: clear out the garage and put a turntable in there

240
00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,200
Speaker 5: and we had the forty fives and stuff. So I

241
00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:27,480
Speaker 5: remember chain Gang, Sam Cook and twists and shout of

242
00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,760
Speaker 5: course you know the Is brothers. Yeah, I remember, I did.

243
00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:32,120
Speaker 2: You know.

244
00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,280
Speaker 5: I did about about twenty cities with Ron Iley about

245
00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,839
Speaker 5: some years, about six seven, eight years ago. And usually

246
00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,280
Speaker 5: when I do a show, I'm usually I do my

247
00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,680
Speaker 5: show and I'm gone or else, or if I'm headlining,

248
00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,319
Speaker 5: I get there twenty minutes before I go on and

249
00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:51,800
Speaker 5: that's it. I don't want to get there and hang

250
00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,080
Speaker 5: around and stuff. And if I'm on before the headliner,

251
00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,199
Speaker 5: then I'm gone. But with Ron, when I was out

252
00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,240
Speaker 5: there with Ron and and uh II Brothers and with

253
00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,120
Speaker 5: Ernie and stuff, man, every night, I was like in

254
00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,880
Speaker 5: the wings, you know, I was just like watching because

255
00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,520
Speaker 5: he took me all the way back to when I

256
00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,439
Speaker 5: was like five years old, you know, five six, four,

257
00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,319
Speaker 5: six seven, years old and then he caught me. You

258
00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,400
Speaker 5: called me out on stage every once in a while, man,

259
00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:24,640
Speaker 5: and that was like, what, all right, cool? You know,

260
00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,960
Speaker 5: but that's my first as far as musical musical situation.

261
00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,280
Speaker 5: I think that's the foundation that I had. And then

262
00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,280
Speaker 5: you know, went into the whole gospel thing.

263
00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,040
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I was going to say that.

264
00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,600
Speaker 3: Okay, that makes sense because usually every musical great has

265
00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:45,680
Speaker 3: some sort of DJ curation experience before they get into

266
00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:46,360
Speaker 3: their profession.

267
00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,280
Speaker 2: So that makes sense that you were in charge of

268
00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,280
Speaker 2: the family collection.

269
00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,880
Speaker 5: All DJs want to be singers, and all singers want

270
00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,840
Speaker 5: to be DJ's. I was saying. He's saying with Frankie

271
00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,720
Speaker 5: Crocker a lot back in to day, and uh, that

272
00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,320
Speaker 5: was one of my best partners.

273
00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:05,680
Speaker 2: And what was he like? Man?

274
00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,440
Speaker 7: Was he you know known him as that personality? Was

275
00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:09,560
Speaker 7: he really out there like that?

276
00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,880
Speaker 5: Frank Frankie was the most down down nigga in the world,

277
00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,800
Speaker 5: you know. And I remember because when we first proper.

278
00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,760
Speaker 2: All the time I heard him speak, and.

279
00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,680
Speaker 5: You know, I said, I'm on the Quest Love Show.

280
00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:27,920
Speaker 5: I got to be proper nigga.

281
00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,880
Speaker 2: No, no, you must an't listen to the question.

282
00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:36,880
Speaker 5: He's done my homework, you know.

283
00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,880
Speaker 2: Now we keep it out of let it go.

284
00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,640
Speaker 5: Now. Frank was down nigga boy. He was like and

285
00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,280
Speaker 5: it was like when I first met him, you know,

286
00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,400
Speaker 5: we it was we had a second time around out.

287
00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,720
Speaker 5: So we were a lot of the lot of the

288
00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,440
Speaker 5: promotion in New York and stuff, and and uh, we

289
00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,520
Speaker 5: got to the we got to w B L S

290
00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,840
Speaker 5: and h he wasn't ready yet. So lady that was

291
00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,120
Speaker 5: the rep that was from the record company, she said, Okay,

292
00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,920
Speaker 5: well we're waiting on Frankie. We'll go over down to

293
00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,480
Speaker 5: this other I forget whether the station was kiss or

294
00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,720
Speaker 5: something like that was kissing, And so we went down there,

295
00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,960
Speaker 5: did the interview and stuff, and then we came back

296
00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,360
Speaker 5: and like Frankie were sitting down in the in the

297
00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,800
Speaker 5: lobby of the BLS and Frankie comes out. When he

298
00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,800
Speaker 5: walks out, you know, this is tall, I mean, black

299
00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:28,840
Speaker 5: nigga man. He's like fine features, you know. And I

300
00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,120
Speaker 5: remember reading about Frankie when I was like fifteen, sixteen

301
00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,480
Speaker 5: years old, when he got into the into the thing

302
00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,640
Speaker 5: with the Paola thing. So I remember, I remember there

303
00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:43,240
Speaker 5: was like an article and Playboy, and of course, you know,

304
00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:50,720
Speaker 5: I never looked at the picture article, but it talked

305
00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,520
Speaker 5: about it talked about his whole ordeal with the Paola

306
00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,600
Speaker 5: situation and the fact at the time that he when

307
00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,680
Speaker 5: he came back after the piel, he came back winding

308
00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,120
Speaker 5: up under twenty fifth Street on the White Stallion.

309
00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:03,840
Speaker 6: Yeah.

310
00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he was all the saying, so like we

311
00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,359
Speaker 5: when he came out, he's stood up there and he

312
00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,480
Speaker 5: just kind of stood there, right, and we're sitting he said,

313
00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,359
Speaker 5: I got my spies out. I know y'all went to

314
00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:20,240
Speaker 5: the other station. Y'all heard you. That's how we started out, right,

315
00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,639
Speaker 5: So we went in and then he looked at it

316
00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,800
Speaker 5: and he was doing the interview and stuff, and he says,

317
00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,040
Speaker 5: you know, your voice reminds me of Gladys Night. And

318
00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,439
Speaker 5: I'm like, glad it's night. But come on, man, Gladys Night.

319
00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,679
Speaker 5: I'm flattered, but Gladys Night, that's a chick, right, So

320
00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,119
Speaker 5: and uh and so then that's that's how our whole

321
00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,359
Speaker 5: thing started out. And I kind of clammed up on

322
00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,359
Speaker 5: the on the interview because I also heard about the

323
00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,320
Speaker 5: Isley brother interview, the historic Eisley brother interview when they

324
00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,080
Speaker 5: got in the fight on on you know, they.

325
00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,600
Speaker 2: Never heard of that one. I've heard this looking at.

326
00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,280
Speaker 5: Us fight live on the air.

327
00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,840
Speaker 2: You know, that's a lot of eyes like that was

328
00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:01,720
Speaker 2: before any.

329
00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,159
Speaker 5: That's that's before any of them passed away. So they

330
00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:04,960
Speaker 5: were all on.

331
00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,880
Speaker 2: All of them. Christ Jasper about six.

332
00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,600
Speaker 5: But take out. So like later on we said, you know,

333
00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,280
Speaker 5: I saw him, I think because we were there doing

334
00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,080
Speaker 5: the thing. I think it was at Madison Square or

335
00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,720
Speaker 5: something like that, one of those big festivals, and so

336
00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,879
Speaker 5: at the you know, when I saw him later on

337
00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,120
Speaker 5: that night or the next night or something, he said, look,

338
00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,760
Speaker 5: I got a house, you know, and in Beverly Hills,

339
00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,840
Speaker 5: you know, off Bendic Canyon, he said, he said, here's that.

340
00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,360
Speaker 5: You know that We exchanged numbers and stuff. He said,

341
00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,040
Speaker 5: when you're when you're back in town, when you're off

342
00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:37,600
Speaker 5: the road, give me a car. You come up, you know,

343
00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,240
Speaker 5: have some dinner. I said, cool, you know, let's go,

344
00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,840
Speaker 5: I said. And so a couple of two, three weeks later,

345
00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,520
Speaker 5: we're going. I'm home and I give him a call

346
00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,800
Speaker 5: and he says, yeah, come on left for dinner. And

347
00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,080
Speaker 5: I'm thinking, you know, all right, Frankie Cockett's house. I

348
00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:56,600
Speaker 5: know he got ladies all over the the whole thing.

349
00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,439
Speaker 5: I'm bowling, you know. And I got up there and

350
00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:05,439
Speaker 5: it was me, him and his mom, Miss Brocker, and

351
00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,680
Speaker 5: he took care of his mom, and like from that

352
00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,320
Speaker 5: point on we got jam type. It was like it

353
00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,159
Speaker 5: was that that was my that was my man. That

354
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,879
Speaker 5: was my man. So dope, you know, yeah, he was.

355
00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,400
Speaker 5: He was. He was not the persona basically. I mean,

356
00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,960
Speaker 5: he lived large, you don't, don't get it wrong, and

357
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,679
Speaker 5: he demanded his respect as far as that's concerned. But

358
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,560
Speaker 5: he wasn't something unorderly, un you know, crazy.

359
00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,199
Speaker 3: He had a house in Beverly Hills and he was

360
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:37,640
Speaker 3: a New York personality too.

361
00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, he up on house up on Benedict On off

362
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:42,919
Speaker 5: of Benedict Canyon.

363
00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, he was the highest plate like black radio jock

364
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:46,800
Speaker 8: in the country.

365
00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 2: So was he doing syndicated back then or was it just.

366
00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,440
Speaker 5: He was he was doing he would do. I think syndication.

367
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:58,960
Speaker 5: Syndication was just coming in maybe not too long after that.

368
00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,960
Speaker 5: But but he had he's had that house. He had

369
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,040
Speaker 5: that house up there for a long time.

370
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 2: Say that's what I was thinking. Put you in the paper.

371
00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 3: Maybe you know, yeah, I see, But do you do

372
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:27,560
Speaker 3: you remember the first album that you purchased with your

373
00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,639
Speaker 3: own money, with my own money.

374
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 5: I don't remember which one of what it was exactly.

375
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 5: I can't say, uh back in the day because.

376
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,879
Speaker 3: I still be stolen to Just in case I'm saying

377
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,240
Speaker 3: people have come stealing their first records.

378
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 5: Yeah exactly. But see, you know I come, I come

379
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,159
Speaker 5: from my household, my I have four older sisters. You

380
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying.

381
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 2: Soyo wow, Okay.

382
00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,680
Speaker 5: So you know two times I had to I think

383
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,639
Speaker 5: an album. Though I do believe an album that I

384
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,120
Speaker 5: would have purchased, it might not have been the very

385
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 5: first one with it like Parliament Funkadelic and you know

386
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,479
Speaker 5: all that kind of stuff like Maggot Brains and I

387
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 5: love that Eddie Agel situation.

388
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, I take it. I know you

389
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 3: were born in Ohio, but I don't know what city

390
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 3: you were born in.

391
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 5: Akron, Akron, Ohio, Akron.

392
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, wait a minute, Okay, this explains it all right.

393
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 3: So I know that James Ingram is also from Akron, Ohio. Yeah,

394
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 3: and I assume that you two were really good friends fifteen.

395
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 5: I met James when I was fifteen.

396
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 3: So this is this explains why you two are also

397
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,400
Speaker 3: seeing background and pyt together exactly.

398
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 2: Okay.

399
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 5: I was with James when he got the demo for

400
00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 5: Just Once, you know, and he's like, man, listen, because

401
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 5: we lived right around the corner from each other at

402
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 5: that time. And he said, man, and he said, listeners,

403
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 5: what do you think about this? I said, Man, I

404
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 5: think that's a coble song. He said, man, this is

405
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 5: some there's some pop pussy right here.

406
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 2: Man.

407
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 5: And I said, I said, yeah, yeah, that's right, that's

408
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 5: true boy. Because you know, but see when Jane, when

409
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 5: I was back in Ohio my group, my group was

410
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 5: called Life. We spelled the l yf E, so Life

411
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 5: Jennings won the first nigga to say that right when

412
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 5: we spelled l yfy Life Banding Show. And it was

413
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 5: like seven of us and we were like fifteen sixteen,

414
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 5: seventeen eighteen. I think Ricky Parker Ricky Fletcher was eighteen

415
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 5: nineteen years old, and so we were proteges of Revelation Funk,

416
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 5: which you know, James played keyboards and they were all

417
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 5: they were all like about four years older than us.

418
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 5: So James played keyboards insane background because he didn't consider

419
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 5: himself a lead singer right, and they had this lead

420
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 5: singer called named Bernard Lost and he's still back and

421
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 5: acting now. Bernard Lost him to this day could sing

422
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 5: me under this, under this, my desk over here, this

423
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 5: this boy really what is you're talking about? Going from

424
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 5: natural effortlessly up into your foss He had that back,

425
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 5: he had that down back then, tall lanky brother and

426
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 5: like a dance of red dance and sing the same time.

427
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 5: And it was like, I mean, they were funky. Revelation

428
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 5: Funk was funky.

429
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 2: You know.

430
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Okay, so what's the name that's the

431
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 3: group that James Ingram was in that he was playing

432
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 3: keyboards and.

433
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 7: Revelation God, damn it, damn it, damn it, damn the

434
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 7: ones from U Dolomite.

435
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, weren't they movie movie?

436
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 2: Yeah?

437
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, okay, because they came out here. They came

438
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 5: out here. Bernard never came out here because he Lord

439
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 5: called him back to the church, fortunately, because there was

440
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 5: some crazy stuff that was happening. But they had this

441
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 5: cat named Woochie Wayne Arnold that came out. Wayne was

442
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 5: bad too. I don't know what he means ARNOLDI So

443
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 5: we were like nobody call. But they came, they came

444
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 5: out here, and then they only stayed together out here

445
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 5: about a year and a half, uh maybe two years

446
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 5: or so, and then they broke up and James stayed

447
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 5: out Dap the drummers stayed out t Tucker the bass

448
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 5: players stayed out here, so you know. And then for James,

449
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 5: arrest was his He started working with Ray Charles and

450
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 5: a bunch of other people and stuff, and you know,

451
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 5: in the studio and stuff.

452
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 6: It was cool just to get this straight.

453
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 8: James Ingram sounded like that at fifteen years old.

454
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,719
Speaker 6: No, nothing has ever changed.

455
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 5: Well, he was about when I first met and he

456
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 5: was nineteen because he was about years older than me.

457
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 5: And uh yeah, I mean he had to all that

458
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 5: stuff down hard, it's like, but but he didn't develop

459
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 5: it and and really kind of take it out where

460
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 5: it's supposed to be until, you know, until he got

461
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 5: it until he went solo.

462
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 3: So well, one more thing, so if you were friends

463
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 3: with James, were you at all in proximity of his

464
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 3: brother Philip at the time when Philip was developing a

465
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 3: switch MH switch also has achron connections, correct.

466
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, Philip Phillip was like Philip was his younger brother.

467
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 5: So Phillip's younger than me. And uh, Phillips group back

468
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 5: in Achron, uh man, what.

469
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: Was his name?

470
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 5: I forget, I forget their name. The name we had,

471
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 5: We had weird names back there. There was a group

472
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 5: called Picket Fence. I don't know what that was about,

473
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 5: but it was like, you know, but but Philip was

474
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 5: with Raw Soul, I think it was. And I mean

475
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 5: that Akron was an amazing place to grow up man.

476
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 5: And the rubber was the rubber capital of the world

477
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 5: at that time, so so middle class was thriving. It

478
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 5: was like you know, it was it was and you

479
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 5: either did you either did music, you did you worked

480
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 5: in the rubber factory, or you were pimp one or

481
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 5: the other. You know that some cats tried to do

482
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 5: all three.

483
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: All three, all three but rubbers.

484
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 9: And I think the name of Phillips the group was

485
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 9: raw so if I'm not mistaken, but yeah, Philip had

486
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 9: a great voice and everything.

487
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 5: And and when they came out with Switch, I didn't

488
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 5: even have a deal at that time. We were I

489
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 5: was talking to l about that just the other day,

490
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 5: because every time I listened to L, I hear Bobby,

491
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, and it's just it's crazy.

492
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 5: And uh so they came out, and you know it

493
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 5: was like Eddie Flewell and the trumpet player, Eddie and I.

494
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 5: Eddie and I went to grade school, junior high, and

495
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 5: graduated high school together. So when they came out, I

496
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 5: was I would go. You know, I heard they were

497
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 5: coming out and bringing them out, and so I went

498
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 5: and hung out with them at the studio. You know,

499
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 5: while they were while they were calling, I called it,

500
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 5: I call your name or something like that, and I

501
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 5: would just sit there and all just listening to Bobby.

502
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 5: He could do that because I think it was his

503
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 5: false but that wasn't his false. That was that was

504
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 5: his natural voice, just like I was listening to Elle

505
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 5: the other night. Elle's false is his natural voice. That's

506
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 5: his natural voice, right, So you know it's it's it's

507
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 5: you know, it was amazing. It was amazing as far

508
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 5: as I was concerned. So, yeah, Philip and and and Eddie,

509
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 5: Yeah came out when Switch came out.

510
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: Question, I do remember.

511
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 3: I think I remember during one of the interviews with

512
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 3: Don Carneli's on Soul Train where you talked about you

513
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 3: were actually dancing on the show.

514
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 2: First is that true. Were y'all just joking with each other.

515
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 5: I was never a soul drained dancer.

516
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, damn.

517
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 3: I thought I heard okay there because because it was

518
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 3: said it said, it was said with a laugh, so

519
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, I don't know if he's serious

520
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 3: or not, but okay, I knew if that was true.

521
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 5: I was dating. Uh this this lady that worked for

522
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 5: down and there at the Soul Tirain Dance Studios Studios

523
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 5: in the office, in the front.

524
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: Office, Pam Brown.

525
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 5: No, no, no, this is her names any cunning?

526
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait

527
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 3: a minute. Jesus Christ, I can't believe I'm talking to

528
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 3: you right now.

529
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 10: How are you you've no, no, no, no, no, no no.

530
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 2: It just hit me.

531
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 3: You literally have christened a human being with my all

532
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 3: time favorite name.

533
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: I read about this and ride on. You have a

534
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: daughter named Rainy Days.

535
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 5: Rainy Days d a z rather yo.

536
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 3: When I read that ship when I was ten years old,

537
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm gonna have a girl and I'm the

538
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 3: name of Rainy Days, Like it just wow.

539
00:28:58,800 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

540
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 5: Her mom, you know, eventually became my wife. She's the

541
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 5: mother and my two older daughters. But when when Rainie

542
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 5: was born, Rainie was the only only child that I

543
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 5: didn't see come out, you know, because I was I

544
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 5: was on the road. I had my oldest darted with me.

545
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 5: She was like a year and a half at the time,

546
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 5: and so her mom was so huge. I was like, look,

547
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take I'm gonna take Lakeiva. My oldest daughter's

548
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 5: name is Lakiva, you know, which was the name let

549
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 5: Kiva k I v E. Which is a name, which

550
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 5: is the name I made up when I was nineteen

551
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 5: years old. I used to go to Kent State for

552
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 5: a minute, and like, I used to walk past Kiva Hall,

553
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 5: this hall called Kiva Hall, and I say, every morning

554
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 5: i'm walking to my first class, I say, wow, Kiva.

555
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 5: Kiva would be a beautiful name for a little girl.

556
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 5: But I had a love on the front of Lucky.

557
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: That is so black. You got all the names correct, Bill,

558
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: I got it.

559
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 5: I got it.

560
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: Anything. Bill, and my friend Lafonte and Quest.

561
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 5: Got you so like.

562
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: But like.

563
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 5: I took Lakeiva out on the road with me because

564
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 5: her mom was so huge. I just wanted her to

565
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 5: concentrate on being pregnant, not not having so she was

566
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 5: having to take care of my one and half kids.

567
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 5: So I took my daughter out on the road with

568
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 5: me so we would we would work at the time Shalamar,

569
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 5: we were working Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday off, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.

570
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 5: So Thursday I finished the show. Monday, I mean Sunday rather,

571
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 5: I finished the show. Then Monday morning me and Kiva

572
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 5: would jump on the plane fly back here to l

573
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 5: a sit there.

574
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: You know.

575
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 5: I take her to the beach walker on the sand,

576
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 5: you know, a whole thing, trying to make that baby drop,

577
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And after after about three

578
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 5: weeks or so, going back and forth, back and forth,

579
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 5: I was like wiped out. So we were near Ohio

580
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 5: and I called her and I said, you know, how

581
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 5: do you feel? She said, it feels you know. I said, look,

582
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 5: me and Kiva are going to go to my mom's

583
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 5: house and just chill. So I went to my mom's

584
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 5: house and said enough. We got there on Monday and

585
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 5: like Tuesday or Wednesday, she had the baby right so

586
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 5: named her, named her after her mom. Her mom's name

587
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 5: was Raining, and so my partner and partner mine was out.

588
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 5: I got him a job working with the group. When

589
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 5: when when I was with the group and stuff. So

590
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 5: one of my best partners, so you know, he was

591
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 5: out on the road with her, and like we were

592
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 5: sitting in my in either his room in my room,

593
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 5: and like he said, so, uh.

594
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: I can tell you this is already going to be

595
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: my favorite interview.

596
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 5: Man.

597
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: I feel like member of the the bank.

598
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 5: Howard you were, he said, And I and and he said, so,

599
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 5: you know your name the baby Rainie had the baby?

600
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 5: You said, yeah, said what, so, what's you gonna name her?

601
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 5: I took the times. What are you gonna name her Rainie?

602
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 5: After my you know? Said what what's the middle name

603
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 5: gonna be? Sid? I was thinking about.

604
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: Days the other story.

605
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 5: She sees his interview think that she thinks that I

606
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 5: was drunk or something, when I mean the whole time.

607
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 6: You was talking, I was just thinking.

608
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 8: I was, like, I hope Howard remembers all the stories

609
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 8: of how how his kids were born, because not for nothing,

610
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 8: especially the girls. My dad used to call me every

611
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 8: year of my life up until he got like eighty

612
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 8: and tell me on my birthday, like how my conception

613
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 8: of how I was born? And it's just it's just

614
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 8: a love about the conception, the conception.

615
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, how was exception?

616
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 8: But the day I was born? Yeah, but yes, say

617
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 8: those stories, tell them stories people loved.

618
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 3: I was going to say there was a ten year

619
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 3: old reading write on magazine that it was really really

620
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: hell impressed with that name. At the time, I was like, Wow,

621
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: that's the greatest name ever. Raindy Days. All right, I'm

622
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 3: gonna have Raindy Days two point oh. All right, So

623
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 3: it's it's still in the cars for.

624
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 5: She hated it when she was in grade school, but

625
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 5: when she got into junior high and in high school

626
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 5: and then all that time adulthood, she loves it. She

627
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 5: loves her name, you.

628
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: Know, nice nice is she in the Does does she

629
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: have musical talent?

630
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: Does she? I have no clue what.

631
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 5: She came out of schools, came out of high school,

632
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 5: wanted to do, you know, wanted to get into the

633
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 5: business and stuff, and so like, you know, I gave

634
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 5: her my advice and she, you know, got herself a

635
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 5: little job started, you know, putting putting together. Her demo

636
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 5: was about three or four demos, three or four songs,

637
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 5: and she had got her head shots together and then

638
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 5: got herself a deal with this company called notting Hill.

639
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 5: You know, notting Hill was in la and as well

640
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 5: as in London, you know, in the UK. So she

641
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 5: was They were working on an album together, and then

642
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 5: halfway through the album she comes to me she says,

643
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 5: you know, Dad, I'm really not into this. I said,

644
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 5: what do you mean into it? She said, I'm more

645
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 5: interested in what I'm gonna wear than the music, you

646
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. So he was into the fashion

647
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 5: for Unfortunately, the people at at at notting Hill were

648
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 5: cool and they had put a single out in uh

649
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 5: in the UK that did fairly well. But you know,

650
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 5: she wasn't she wasn't into it, so they let her

651
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 5: go and then she got a position with Vera Wang

652
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 5: company you know, did that for.

653
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: A while now, So she lived in London for a while.

654
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 5: She went to London. She didn't live there, but she

655
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 5: spent a lot of time.

656
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 3: Okay, I see, I see, Okay, I do want to know. Okay,

657
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 3: first of all, before you get into your entry, do

658
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 3: you know exactly what the situation was that caused Jerald

659
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 3: Brown to leave Shalamar.

660
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 2: That was your vacancy, because.

661
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: Even with those first two records, I always felt like

662
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 3: I had, you know, the first two albums as a

663
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: kid or whatever. I had the Uptown Festival forty five

664
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: and what not, and it's like, I never thought his

665
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: voice blended in with that group. Well even even take that,

666
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 3: I mean, take that to the Bank, of course was

667
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 3: a classic song, no matter what. But I never felt

668
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 3: like his voice fit into He was like he was

669
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 3: like a grown adult, and I always felt like Jody

670
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 3: and Jeffrey represented like the kids.

671
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: While he was like a proper adult or whatever.

672
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 3: But what's the situation that caused him to vacate the group?

673
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 5: I don't, I don't. I don't know the specific situation

674
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 5: exactly what happened. I think there was some stuff, some

675
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 5: questions about management maybe or about whatever, because you know,

676
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 5: Gerald had been been in the business for a while

677
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 5: with Soul Trained, with the Soul Trained gang and coming

678
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 5: from coming from Cincinnati, and that first Uptown Festival album,

679
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 5: the first that wasn't Gerald, that was this guy named

680
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 5: Gary Mumford. So they had.

681
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, they.

682
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 5: Had two lead singers before before me, right, So it

683
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 5: was Gary Mumford on Uptown Festival and then Jerald Brown.

684
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 5: Uptown Festival was one of those things where, you know,

685
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 5: back in the day with disco and stuff. That's why

686
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 5: I was never really a big fan of disco because

687
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 5: I always thought it was pretty fabricated music. And you know,

688
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 5: I was more into the into the band and the

689
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 5: real people that did it, because you do you know,

690
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 5: they would put together, you know, a song with with

691
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 5: studio musicians, studio vocalists, throw it out there, see if

692
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 5: it made some noise. If it made some noise, then

693
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 5: they go and put a group together. And that's how

694
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 5: Salomar basically, you know formed. So it was like Gary

695
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 5: Mumford on Uptown Festival and then uh, and then he

696
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 5: I think he went back to the church too, if

697
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 5: I'm not mistaken. And and then Gerald Brown came in.

698
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 5: They took him from you know, because it was Don

699
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 5: Cornelius and uh, Griffy right, you know, at first it

700
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 5: was Soul Trained Records, you know what I mean. And

701
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 5: so they brought Jerald Brown in and then they did

702
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 5: take that to the bank. They were out in the

703
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 5: middle of a promotional tour. I was working with this cat, uh,

704
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 5: Jeffrey Bowen at the time because I was with a group.

705
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 5: I was with a group down that was formed people,

706
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 5: that was formed by the People, and uh mat Jeffrey Bourn.

707
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Bowen produced a song for You by the Temptations, right.

708
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 5: Yep, and a bunch of Colin did Bonnie Pointer was

709
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 5: his lady and.

710
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:10,959
Speaker 2: Here was his wife?

711
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: Right dom Bonnie Point was his wife? And wait did

712
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 3: he did he produce?

713
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 8: Uh?

714
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 3: I think he co produced with George Clinton two songs

715
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 3: on guitarist.

716
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: Eddie Hazel Eddie Hazel's.

717
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 5: Record, We Were, We Were, Well, we Were. He had

718
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 5: hired me because I I was this girl, Tammy Gibson

719
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 5: who used to sing for Stevie in Wonder Love. She

720
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 5: was looking and she came looking for me because I

721
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 5: was with a group that ended up We ended up

722
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,479
Speaker 5: overseas for about a year and a half. This show

723
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 5: group called Beverly Hills, right and the people at Mavericks

724
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 5: Flat down in the Crenshaw District, John Daniels and and

725
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 5: Alonzo Daniels his brother. They put together show groups and stuff.

726
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 5: So this was one of the groups that they put together.

727
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 5: We ended up touring overseas for about, you know, about

728
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 5: little less than a year and a half or so,

729
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 5: and I was making like two.

730
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 2: Point fifty three years this around.

731
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 5: This is like seventy seven seventy seven, because I brought

732
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 5: seventy eight in seventy seven. Out the end of seventy seven,

733
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 5: I was in Helsinki, Finland, which was the first gig

734
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 5: that we did. And then we went to Geneva, Switzerland,

735
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 5: and I read that because I brought we brought seventy

736
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 5: eight nineteen seventy eight in in Geneva, Switzerland, and then

737
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 5: we went on to ben the Dorm, Spain, Santa Pez, France.

738
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 5: We're all over the place. I was making two point

739
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 5: fifty three hundred a week, you know what I'm saying.

740
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 5: But I was having them ball I was like twenty two,

741
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 5: about twenty two years old.

742
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 3: Again, I'm pulling out my inflation calculator just to see,

743
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: just to see. So when you're saying the show group,

744
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 3: you're saying in terms of like, uh, you guys, because

745
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 3: I think heat Wave was sort of in the same

746
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 3: situation where they were perform more on like army bases

747
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 3: or clubs of the day.

748
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: Is that the same situation.

749
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 5: No, we never did army bases. But when I say

750
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 5: show group, I mean like a top forty group. You

751
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying we did everything from Disco Infernal

752
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 5: to Mandy you know what.

753
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 6: Today.

754
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 5: So yeah, and it's like you you know, did you

755
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 5: know Afternoon Delight all that kind of stuff. You know,

756
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 5: it was like, you know, it was my stuff, old

757
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 5: stuff exactly. We didn't do any original stuff. It was

758
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 5: just and it was like, you know, so.

759
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 3: But wait, by the way, guys, two point fifty back

760
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy seven was one thousand, one eighty seven

761
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 3: and eighty six cents by today.

762
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 2: That was that was good, That was cool money.

763
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 5: I wish I would have felt that. Then I came

764
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 5: back a year and a half with about five hundred dollars.

765
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: That was this.

766
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 5: But so, you know, so like I came back and

767
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 5: and all the Mavericks Flat was was a really interesting

768
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 5: place where on the weekend it was a club and

769
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 5: on the week days that's where we rehearsed. We would

770
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 5: rehearse the band, and anytime we had a show that

771
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 5: we wanted to try out on people at a live audience,

772
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 5: we would play at Mavericks Friday and Saturday the night

773
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 5: and so it was like, you know, I mean, Mavericks

774
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 5: was interesting in that you could look out in the

775
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 5: audience at any time. Shaka Khan would be sitting out there,

776
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 5: or Lionel Richie when he was with the Commodores, or

777
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 5: Richard Pryor hung out there all the time. And it

778
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 5: was it was just it was just a great place

779
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 5: to like cut your teeth as far as like you know, uh,

780
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 5: the way that you do your show, the whole thing,

781
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 5: and uh. And it was located Crenchhall right Crenshawn Stocker,

782
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 5: right on the corner of Crenshaw on Stocker.

783
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 3: So this point in Crenshaw, because I also know that

784
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 3: it was Total Experience.

785
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: Also a club on Crenshaw as well, so right up

786
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: the street.

787
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 3: As far as the black clubs are concerned, you're saying

788
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 3: at Maverick Flats and Total Experience, and like where.

789
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 2: Were the other nightlife for black people to go to?

790
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 5: Strawberry Hill was a club there. I don't know, a

791
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 5: whole bunch of clubs around there, bit because I hung

792
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 5: at Mavericks all the time.

793
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: You know.

794
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 5: It was like I had a key to Mavericks at

795
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 5: one time. So you know, that was my that was

796
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 5: my hang that was my hanging spot, you know. So

797
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 5: there's other guys in Dolls. I think was a was

798
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 5: a club, but I think that was a little bit

799
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 5: before I got there, you know, guys and downs, But

800
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 5: I'm not really familiar with the whole bunch of the

801
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 5: clubs over there.

802
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: So you're saying that if you if it's nineteen seventy seven,

803
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 3: seventy eight, seventy nine and you're a black professional, chances

804
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 3: are like you're hanging in on Crenshaw Boulevard at a club.

805
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 2: So we weren't really doing like West Hollywood back then,

806
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: or no.

807
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 5: I didn't do a lot of West Hollywood back then,

808
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 5: because that was like I got to I got out

809
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 5: here in LA in nineteen seventy six, you know, and

810
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 5: so I hooked up with the people with Mavericks about

811
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 5: to about two months after I got out here, you know,

812
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 5: and we and John Daniels told me what he what,

813
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 5: what he was, what he wanted to do. He had

814
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 5: a he had a bunch of show groups, and one

815
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 5: of his main show groups was this group called the

816
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 5: Love Machine. It was like seven seven fine, Fine with

817
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 5: Kathleen Bradley, who was the first black model on The

818
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 5: Price is Right.

819
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: She was in.

820
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 5: From Friday, Yeah, she was in that's what she shut

821
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 5: up Bilt and Uh, he's done. He's done over there.

822
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 5: It's like man. So yeah, she she was in. She

823
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 5: was in the Love Machine and six other beautiful women.

824
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 5: They and they went all around the world. When I

825
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 5: first went down there, the cat T Tucker that played

826
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 5: base for Revelation Funk like I said at that time.

827
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 5: By that time they were broken up and T was

828
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 5: playing for the Love Machine. And I called T one day.

829
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 5: I said, I got his number.

830
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: I called him.

831
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 5: I said, Yo, Man, I'm in town. Blah blah blah.

832
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 5: I said, man, come down to Maverick slat. I'm rehearsing today.

833
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 5: You know, I'm playing with this group called Love Machine.

834
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 5: So me and my cousin went down to Maverick flat

835
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 5: and stuff, and they were rehearsing at that time to

836
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 5: do a showcase that night for Tom Jones, because Tom

837
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 5: Jones wanted them to open up for him. So you know,

838
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 5: that was how that whole thing came about. And then

839
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 5: we started putting the group and stuff together. But I

840
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 5: was working there, went overseas, came back from there. We

841
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 5: broke up. The group. Beverly Hills broke up after about

842
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 5: a year little less than a year and a half

843
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 5: over in England and came back and I started kicking

844
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 5: around LA and then that's when I hooked up with

845
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 5: Jeffrey Bowen, you know, to he was doing this out,

846
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 5: this solo album on Eddie Hazel, you know, and he's.

847
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: Please describe with what Eddie Hazel was like.

848
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 3: Besides George Clinton, I really haven't gotten a straight story

849
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 3: about Eddie Hazel.

850
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: He was.

851
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 5: He was an interesting cat in that you really couldn't

852
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 5: get a good feel for Eddie because he was he was.

853
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 5: He was high a lot of times, you know, he

854
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 5: was he was like, you know, an amazing guitar player,

855
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 5: maggot brains. That's Eddie, you know, right, Eddie Hazel. And

856
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 5: but he was he I mean, I I just smoke.

857
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 5: We but he smoked weed.

858
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what that means. You go back, yes,

859
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: you so.

860
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 5: But but he was cool, I mean real cool, real

861
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 5: cool brother.

862
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 3: But so you're saying that Eddie Hazel once potentially had

863
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 3: a deal on Motown Records that fell through.

864
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 5: M hm. I don't know if it fell through because

865
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 5: they were they you know, Eddie, Jeffrey was producing it

866
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 5: and then we were working because after I came, like

867
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 5: I said, Tammy came and got me because she wanted

868
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 5: me to do this. She was she was contracting the

869
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 5: backgrounds or that they were doing. So I went in

870
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 5: and did the sessions. Me, Tammy, this girl Kathy James,

871
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 5: I forget I think that was the name, and we

872
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 5: went in and did the session. And then after after

873
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 5: we got done with the tunes and stuff, Jeffrey Cone

874
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 5: Jeffrey Bowen came to me. He said, you know, man,

875
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 5: I love your vocals. I love it. This is going

876
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 5: to be a self contained situation, so you know, I'd

877
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 5: love for you to be a part of It's going

878
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 5: to be you, Tammy and the girl that we were

879
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 5: working with. And I said, cool, you know that's that's great.

880
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 5: He said, I can get you in. He said, we

881
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 5: can start working on the contracts, you know, but I

882
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 5: can get you into the union tomorrow, right And I

883
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 5: said cool, okay, So the next day I joined after

884
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, and all the checks and

885
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 5: we started and it was like I wasn't contracted yet,

886
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 5: you know. So if you're an uncontracted artist, you have

887
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 5: to get paid from the time you walk into the

888
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 5: studio the time you walk out of the studio. So

889
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 5: Jeffrey would book book the time for like eight o'clock,

890
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 5: you know, in the evening. He wouldn't show up for

891
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 5: whatever reasons, I don't know, until midnight, and then we

892
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 5: would work till about, you know, about four or five

893
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 5: o'clock in the morning, So that's like nine hours you know,

894
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 5: at about one hundred and thirty hundred and forty whatever

895
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 5: the scale was at that time, if you were doing

896
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 5: a solo or you know, inflation inflation count, it's.

897
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: A lot of money, bill, it's a lot of money.

898
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 6: It's a lot of money right there. So that sounded

899
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 6: like that.

900
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, So like you know, but then after about working

901
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 5: about a couple of months, you know, started getting kind

902
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 5: of flaky, you know what I'm saying, kind of shaky

903
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 5: as far as like the checks we weren't reflecting the

904
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,720
Speaker 5: time that we you know, that we were in the studio.

905
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 5: And so then I called a meet. I took my lady.

906
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 5: I took my lady to work. She worked at you know,

907
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 5: like I said, for dying down at the SOULDI trained

908
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 5: dance studios up in West Hollywood, and I took her,

909
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 5: dropped her off of work, told her, I'm going to

910
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 5: the Motown building and have a meeting. Right, So I'm

911
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 5: sitting in a meeting on the fifteenth floor, and I'm like,

912
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 5: you know, y'all giving me the motown running around blah

913
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 5: blah blah blah blah blah blah, you know, blah blah,

914
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 5: getting all this stuff off my chest. And the phone rings, right,

915
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 5: and this Angelo Bond was his co producer. Angelo answers

916
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 5: the phone and he looks at me and he says,

917
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 5: it's for you. I said, it's for me. I said,

918
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 5: if it's my lady, tell her I'll call her. I'll

919
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 5: call her back.

920
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 2: Right.

921
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 5: He said, well, not a lady, and it sounds like

922
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 5: it's a long distance. That was before cell phones. When

923
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 5: you hear the crackling on the phone, right, he.

924
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 2: Said, you know it's nine dollars a minute, he said.

925
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 5: He said, it's not a lady, it's a guy, and

926
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 5: it sounds like it's long distance. So I take the

927
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 5: phone and it's Jeffrey Daniel. Right. They were in New

928
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 5: York at the time, in the middle of this promotional

929
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 5: tour whatever it was that they got into an argument about.

930
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 5: I never he said, he told me some I forget

931
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 5: exactly what it was. Because I wasn't one interested in

932
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 5: why with this was happening. It's like, what are we

933
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 5: getting to as far as like this phone call and

934
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 5: he said that you know that Jerald Brown that Jerald said, Hey,

935
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 5: when y'all can see it my way, give me a call.

936
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 5: And he jumps on the plane and leaves. Oh, they're

937
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 5: in the middle of a promotional tour you did, and

938
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 5: so like he says, I know, you know because they

939
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 5: it's Mavericks Flat. All the soul trained people used to

940
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 5: come down to Mavericks Flat all the time. I first

941
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 5: I first met Jeffrey and Jody before Shallamar at Mavericks Flat,

942
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 5: right and say, so they used to come there and

943
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 5: they used to show They used to see the show

944
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 5: that I did with Beverly Hills there right, Well, there's

945
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 5: three degrees of separation. That's crazy, you know what I'm saying.

946
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 5: So they saw the show. Jeffrey before before Shala Maar resisted,

947
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 5: Jeffrey had told me, man, I love your vocals. I said,

948
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 5: I love your dancing man. You and Jodie. I used

949
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 5: to watch them before I even left Ohio on soul train.

950
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 5: I see them dancing. Wow, that's great, that's great. So

951
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 5: he says, I know we you know we I know

952
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 5: you know that we formed Shalamar and blah blah blah.

953
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:27,959
Speaker 5: We got to take that to the bank out there

954
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 5: when in the middle of promotional tour, we want to

955
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 5: offer you an equal position in the group, you know,

956
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 5: as lead singer. And I said, I said, well, okay,

957
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 5: and he told me all this stuff and then he says,

958
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 5: you're at the Motown building, right, I said yeah. He

959
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 5: said where are you. I'm up on the fifteenth floor.

960
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 5: He said, well, so large offices are down on the

961
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 5: ninth floor in the same building. And we talked and

962
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 5: we already talked to Dick Griffin and he he's waiting

963
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 5: for you to, you know, for you to get in

964
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 5: touch with him. So like, you know, so he talked

965
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 5: a little about longer. I get off the phone and

966
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 5: I tell Jeffrey Bowen and I tell Angel Obaum what

967
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 5: to do?

968
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: No, I said what?

969
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 5: And then the Angel says, man, Chellamar is just a

970
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 5: fly by night disco group. They'll never amount to anything.

971
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 5: And then you don't want to get involved with Solar

972
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 5: that you're you're you got the potential to be with Motown,

973
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 5: you know. And then Jeffrey started talking some stuff, and

974
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 5: when things like that happen, I have a tendency just

975
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 5: to kind of sit back, and ever since I was

976
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 5: a kid, if I did, if I had to think,

977
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 5: you know, I want to sit back and take in

978
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 5: everything that they're saying. So I'm listening, and when they

979
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 5: get done, I said, well, my car is parked on

980
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 5: the street. I need to go put some money in

981
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 5: the middle.

982
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 2: No.

983
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 5: I went down to the ninth floor, got in, talked

984
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 5: to Dick. This was on a Friday, right, and and

985
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 5: Dick reiterated what Jeffrey the offer Jeffrey made and uh,

986
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 5: I said, I told him. I said, no, I'm really interested.

987
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 5: I said, but I got to give these people upstairs

988
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 5: a chance to rectify themselves, because even though I didn't

989
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 5: have contracts, my words was still you know, worth the

990
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 5: word contract. Right. So I called them and told them, look,

991
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be home. If you guys want to rectify

992
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 5: this thing, let me know, call me, right And so

993
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 5: all night Friday night nobody called. Saturday morning, I called

994
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 5: Dick and I went over to his house, watched the

995
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 5: videotape of a Shalamar show, and then I was sitting

996
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 5: in this rocking chair, right. I remember I was watching

997
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 5: the show, was sitting this rock and said. The show

998
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 5: goes off, and Dick says, well, sing something.

999
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 7: You know.

1000
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 5: Jeffer and Joe to say, you're a great singer. Sing something.

1001
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 5: I said, I said, right here, I compel them, you know.

1002
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 5: He said yeah. And I said to myself, I said, well, lord,

1003
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 5: you know me and you so I broke in. I

1004
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 5: broke in the field of Fire by Peobo Bryce, I

1005
00:52:55,080 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 5: compella something that to me, you know, and yeah, And

1006
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 5: he got to the first verse half the hook, and

1007
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 5: Dick says, okay, okay, okay, I'll be right back. He

1008
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 5: goes upstairs, comes back down. He has like goes in

1009
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 5: one pocket. He has some cash. He said, here's some cash,

1010
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 5: you know, leave which old lady pay some bills. He

1011
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 5: went in the other pocket and brought out an airline

1012
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 5: ticket and that was pre nine to eleven. I could

1013
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 5: ride on your ticket. You know, I could ride up

1014
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 5: right on my head right, I could ride. You didn't

1015
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 5: have to have a specific name, he said, here's an

1016
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 5: airline ticket. You got to be on the red eye

1017
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 5: out tonight. Meet the group of New Jersey tomorrow, as

1018
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 5: they moved from New York to New Jersey. He said,

1019
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 5: meet the group of New Jersey tomorrow, he said, because

1020
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 5: and go over the lift sync and the choreography of

1021
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 5: Take That to the Bank. He said, because Monday you

1022
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 5: got a TV show to do. And I'm like, you know,

1023
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 5: I'm like, you know, being from Ohio, think about Ohio?

1024
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 5: Is that the prereconsist As far as our being from

1025
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 5: a house, you got to be cool about everything, you

1026
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. So like, I'm like, okay, okay,

1027
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 5: you think you can handle it. Oh, sure I can

1028
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 5: handle Inside. I'm like, I got a job.

1029
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 7: Well, I would have asked, what was Dick Griffy? Like, Man,

1030
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 7: it's been about me.

1031
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 2: Let me add on to that.

1032
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 3: Fonte Howard, We've we've asked at least seven people this question,

1033
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 3: and they kind of glide by the situation. Okay, I know,

1034
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 3: I know the brother's not here right now, but can

1035
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 3: you give us a real, real in quotations, Dick Griffy's situation?

1036
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 5: Uh, He's Dick. Dick was was a very should I say,

1037
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 5: complex character in certain ways, but very direct in other ways.

1038
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 5: And as far as like you know, he used a

1039
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 5: lot of under the thumb type of tactics to keep things,

1040
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 5: you know, in in tact as far as his so,

1041
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 5: but that was his thing, that was how that was

1042
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 5: where he came from. For instance, uh, for instance.

1043
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 3: All right, all right without without you compromising your position?

1044
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 3: Were there any buildings with balconies on them utilized.

1045
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 2: Office from nine to five?

1046
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 5: I don't think that happened with Dick, you know, with

1047
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 5: the five heartbeat situations, you know. But but I've heard

1048
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 5: of certain situations with other characters of who we won't

1049
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 5: you know, going to right now also doing that whole.

1050
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,919
Speaker 5: But I don't think Dick ever ever did that type

1051
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 5: of thing. But he was, he was, he was you know,

1052
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 5: he was a gangst gangster type of cat, you know.

1053
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 5: And and but he respected if you stood up for

1054
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 5: what you you know, stood for, you.

1055
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 8: Know, five minutes the first time you stuttered, huh five

1056
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 8: minutes we've been talking.

1057
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 5: It's the first time because because you want to be

1058
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 5: because respectful, Yeah, because you want to be because because

1059
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 5: I have I have much respect for it. Because Dick,

1060
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 5: thank god, you know, Dick was a vehicle that was

1061
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 5: chosen to get my foot in the door, you know

1062
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. And and as long as you you know,

1063
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 5: once you get your foot in the door, it's up

1064
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 5: to you to put to open up the door and

1065
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 5: get in there. So like, you know, I appreciate the

1066
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 5: the opportunity that Dick presented to me and and and

1067
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 5: respected him, you know, immensely, and and missing dearly now.

1068
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 5: But you know, I mean we had our drag knockdown,

1069
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 5: drag out fights, man, and and it was like, you know,

1070
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 5: when if I felt something, if I felt this was

1071
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 5: not the way that this should be, he really he

1072
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 5: really didn't like me going out and and and working

1073
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 5: with people like Quincy, working with people like uh other

1074
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 5: other producers and stuff, because then I can see, you know,

1075
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,959
Speaker 5: how it was really supposed to be done, and.

1076
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 2: How and how the real business looked like.

1077
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 5: The business was supposed to be done. And he didn't

1078
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 5: like for me to do that, but I was going

1079
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 5: to do that. I went out and work with Stanley,

1080
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 5: when I work with George, you know, yeah, man, and

1081
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 5: all those and and like I said, Quincy and you know,

1082
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 5: so I could see how that whole thing was supposed

1083
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 5: to go down, you know. And as far as financially

1084
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 5: everything is concerned.

1085
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 8: So it's kind of like a you feel like it's

1086
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 8: kind of like a learning process that he was the

1087
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 8: beginning of the learning process, because I was wondering when

1088
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 8: you got excited about getting a job and everything, at

1089
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 8: that moment, you don't wonder, well, what do I have

1090
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 8: any say in the songs that we sang? And you know,

1091
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 8: like all the business stuff that, like in retrospect, you

1092
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 8: may have, but at the same time.

1093
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 2: You didn't have it at that time.

1094
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, at first, at first, I didn't want to

1095
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 5: have any sale as far as we're concerned, because because

1096
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 5: my whole thing was like, I want to learn, I

1097
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 5: want to look at it. I'm not I don't want

1098
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 5: to come here and act like I know what I'm

1099
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 5: doing because I had never been in the recording a

1100
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 5: real recording studio at all up to that point, you know,

1101
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 5: like you know and and and Leon Silvers, you know,

1102
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 5: like you know, it was like a learning process. I

1103
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 5: saw how he worked, I saw how his uh, his

1104
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 5: crew work, his cruel writers, Will Shelby, Kevin Spencer, and

1105
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 5: I would sit back a lot of times. I was

1106
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 5: back the first song that I really participated on and

1107
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 5: in participated in writing and felt comfortable enough to present

1108
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 5: it to them as far as writing was concerned, was

1109
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 5: for the lover in you, you know, and so yeah,

1110
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 5: so like you know that was me and Dana Myers

1111
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 5: and like so, I mean we had a thing where

1112
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 5: were reprint presented to the people to his his cruel,

1113
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 5: his stable writers and stuff, and they would say veto.

1114
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 2: You know or.

1115
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 5: So you know it was like it was it was

1116
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 5: a learning process for me. I didn't want to jumping there.

1117
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 5: I know, I want to write down.

1118
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 8: I want a lesson that a lot of the youth here.

1119
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 8: So that's why I want you to tell.

1120
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 3: So let me let me ask them. So with So,

1121
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 3: your first album with is Big Fun?

1122
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 2: Correct, I got it? Okay? When I was the kids like,

1123
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 2: oh the Dolphin record, it.

1124
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 5: Would kill would killer?

1125
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 7: Wells, I thought there was dolphins too, are black?

1126
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 5: Actually actually there were barrels that we were sitting on

1127
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 5: and they're superimposed.

1128
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 2: Barrels.

1129
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 5: Okay, the classic moment.

1130
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 3: So with barrels, Okay, with Big Fun. Yeah, So walk

1131
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 3: us through the process of one. Like, by this point,

1132
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 3: when you're doing Big Fun, how long have you been

1133
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 3: in the group, what's your jelling situation?

1134
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: Now complete disclosure.

1135
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 3: I'm probably the only human being on earth that has

1136
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 3: not seen unsung. I've heard it might have been a

1137
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 3: tense episode. I don't know, So I'm kind of asking

1138
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 3: you this, you know, from the total naivete of not

1139
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 3: knowing what the situation was, But what was how long

1140
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 3: was it before after that New Jersey first gig with him,

1141
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 3: until you started recording Big Fun And what was the

1142
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 3: gelling situation? Like with you, Jeffrey and Jody.

1143
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 5: It was, you know because when we first when I

1144
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 5: first got there, we were like thrown together, you know,

1145
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 5: when I first got to Jersey and we were, you know,

1146
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 5: we I was in all day Sunday, I was in

1147
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 5: a I forget. It was either Josie's room or Jeffrey's room.

1148
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 5: I forget. But it was crammed into, you know, like

1149
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 5: learning the lip sync. I studied the lip sync, you know,

1150
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 5: while I was flying across country, and and then learning

1151
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 5: the choreography because I'm used to singing, I used to

1152
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 5: I'm not used to dancing. I'm a singer, right, so

1153
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 5: you know that choreography. And so then we we got

1154
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 5: that together, and then we continued on from uh, the

1155
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 5: rest of that promotional tour, which if I'm getting I'm

1156
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 5: trying to get I'm at that point now where I'm

1157
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 5: even trying to get the timelines together because I'm I'm

1158
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 5: writing a book. I want to write my book, you know,

1159
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 5: so I need to get these timelines together myself. So

1160
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 5: when I got I think I got there in New Jersey,

1161
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 5: it had to been winter time because I had to

1162
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 5: I had to buy an overcoat because I didn't have

1163
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 5: an overcoat. So I went to this this clothing store

1164
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,439
Speaker 5: in New Jersey thing it was called Heaven on Earth

1165
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 5: or something like that, and and bought this overcoat, you know.

1166
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 5: So so that was so it had to been like

1167
01:01:53,480 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 5: about maybe November, uh, November, September, October, November, December time.

1168
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 5: And then we finished up that promotional tour at the

1169
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 5: Copa Cabana, you know, in New York. And then as

1170
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 5: soon as we flew back to back to La which

1171
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 5: was the beginning of seventy nine, I believe, because it

1172
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 5: was seventy eight. Yeah, the beginning of seventy nine, we

1173
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 5: started immediately recording the Big Fun album. Went in and

1174
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 5: started putting that whole whole thing together, and it took us.

1175
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 5: It took us, you know, four or five six months,

1176
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 5: or so four or five months or so to do

1177
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 5: the whole album, and then we put, then we put,

1178
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 5: so we went, So that takes us into towards the

1179
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 5: end of seventy nine, you know, the middle mid towards

1180
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 5: the end of seventy nine, and then put Second time

1181
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 5: Around out there, and Second Time Around at first was

1182
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 5: kind of creeping up the charts, you know what I'm saying.

1183
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 5: But it wasn't. It wasn't until we did a remix.

1184
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 5: Back then, that's when remixes were real big, you know

1185
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. So, yeah, twelve inches and stuff. So

1186
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 5: I forget who did the remix. We did a remix

1187
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 5: on it, put it out there, and then it like

1188
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 5: screamed up the charts. So like that was towards the

1189
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 5: end of end of seventy nine into eighty you know

1190
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. So it was like from that time

1191
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 5: then we had a hit record in eighty.

1192
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 2: Wow, can you describe what working with Leon Silvers is? Like?

1193
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 2: Do you have any do you have any big Fred

1194
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 2: Lewis stories to go with it? And I'm playing.

1195
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 5: It was like I know that at one point, you know,

1196
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 5: because Leon is like a stickler for backgrounds, and stuff

1197
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 5: like that. I mean, just like Stickler for backgrounds, and

1198
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 5: like I remember going in there one time and there

1199
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 5: was a part I was supposed to be doing that day,

1200
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 5: and like he we started out, I could tell it

1201
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 5: was gonna be one of those days. We're like, that's good,

1202
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 5: it sounds great. Let's do it again. Uh. And then

1203
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 5: he's like, you know, and and that after about after

1204
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,439
Speaker 5: about forty five minutes, and so I said, Lee, I said, man,

1205
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 5: I can't do this today. They'll start a getting tomorrow.

1206
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 2: Man he was. He was just a test mast Like

1207
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 2: all right, I.

1208
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:26,439
Speaker 5: Mean I mean phrasing, you know. And when you talk

1209
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 5: about Howard Hewitt sound, I would give a big portion

1210
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 5: of that. The kudos up to Leon for helping me

1211
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 5: develop the Howard Hewitt sound. You know, I had my sound,

1212
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 5: you know, going from the natural to the fast, you

1213
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 5: know before I left out Ohio. You know, when I

1214
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 5: was a kid, I developed that in my mom's bathroom

1215
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 5: with all the all the tile and everything, with the

1216
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 5: you know, built in reverb that you got in the bathroom.

1217
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,439
Speaker 5: So I developed that natural going into the falls back then.

1218
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 5: But he helped me develop that other like staying like

1219
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 5: Stickler as far as phrasing is concerned, you know, looking

1220
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 5: at at every nuanced all those ad libs that you

1221
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 5: think are ad libs on there, on those there ain't

1222
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 5: no ad libs. We we thought that stuff out, you

1223
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. He put it, put it there,

1224
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 5: put it here, put it there.

1225
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1226
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 8: Do you remember like a moment of time when that

1227
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 8: when that happened, when you thought, all right, I don't

1228
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 8: know about this, but like, no, you gotta you gotta

1229
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 8: do that.

1230
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 5: And it worked, Oh yeah, worked every time. But like

1231
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 5: those those type of things were like are you sure

1232
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 5: that's that's that's gonna work in there? You know yeah,

1233
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 5: and that poompom boom boom, and it just fell right

1234
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 5: in places like but do.

1235
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 7: You have any memories of recording because like two of

1236
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 7: my favorite shadow my songs of all time, over and

1237
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 7: over and Let's find a Time for Love.

1238
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 2: Remember those sessions?

1239
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember over and over like it was like yesterday,

1240
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 5: because that was when I was the only one in

1241
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 5: the group basically, you know, Jeffrey and Jody had already split,

1242
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 5: so like at that time I wanted to do I

1243
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 5: wanted to do my solo thing. But Dick says, well,

1244
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,439
Speaker 5: you know, you still got two and a half three

1245
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 5: years left on this contract. So you either got it.

1246
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 5: You're either gonna do it, you know, go you just

1247
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 5: sit around and ride it out, go to court, you know,

1248
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 5: or move to England or wherever where Jeffrey Jody moved to. Well,

1249
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 5: so you can do another you know, another album. And

1250
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 5: so of course I hate court. I don't like court.

1251
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 5: You know, courts, like of course, like the court's like

1252
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 5: a nightmare Vegas. You know what I'm saying. You're just

1253
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 5: going to you don't know what's happening. So so like

1254
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 5: you know, but we recorded that over and over at

1255
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 5: that time, did the video and that whole thing that

1256
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 5: was when in the videos like me and Mickey Free

1257
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 5: you know me Mickey and Leonne in that video and

1258
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 5: uh and Let's time Let's find the Time for Love?

1259
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 5: Was that the song you said, Let's time that's it?

1260
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Let's find a time for love? Yeah? Absolutely not

1261
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 2: on the look is it?

1262
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 5: Is it?

1263
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? That was was that?

1264
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 7: I think that was on three for Love? Let Me

1265
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 7: let me hold them let me Yeah? No, no, no it wasn't.

1266
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 7: It was on Friends.

1267
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 5: No, I think it's going Uh, let me.

1268
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 2: Find out that you're a fan of Go for It, Yo,

1269
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 2: like on the loaf, like you bullshit, like you deep

1270
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 2: cut cat, but cool dog Hey man, I rocked that album.

1271
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 5: Yo, here you go Manen finding Time for Love that

1272
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 5: was on Go for It wasn't.

1273
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 2: That was it wasn't friends. I mean that was for Love.

1274
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 5: It's just a beautiful song, man, just it really it is.

1275
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 2: I love that record. But do you remember recording it.

1276
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 2: Do you remember like recording that joint or like that session.

1277
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't really really remember anything that's out

1278
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 5: of my mind about recording except that it was just

1279
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 5: a nod boom boom boom boom damn.

1280
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 2: Now I'm looking for it. Yeah.

1281
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,560
Speaker 5: And the thing and the thing that that really that

1282
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 5: really stood out to me as far as that song

1283
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 5: was concerned, also was just the combination of me and

1284
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 5: Jody Wiley.

1285
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 2: Man, it was like it was on Big Fun. It

1286
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 2: was on Big Fun, Big Fun.

1287
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 5: That was the first album. Yeah, I think that was

1288
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 5: the first time we really realized the magic that the

1289
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 5: combination of our of our voices really projected out there.

1290
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 5: It was it was, you know them, the timbre of

1291
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:44,799
Speaker 5: her voice and my voice together even on the background.

1292
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 7: Situation was like, amazing, amazing, that's a gorgeous song man,

1293
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 7: a great performance by all right.

1294
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily want you to throw him under the rug,

1295
01:08:55,760 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 3: but can you answer two questions for me? Because you know,

1296
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 3: I just gotta know because again, like it's also my

1297
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 3: perception of Shalamar coming from a ten year old. But

1298
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 3: every time I turn around, like Jeffrey Daniel had a

1299
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 3: guitar in his hand, but I don't recall him playing guitar.

1300
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 2: Was he always air guitaring?

1301
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 5: Well, he was air guitar sometimes, but you know he

1302
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 5: knows how to play. You know, he really stuck to

1303
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 5: it and he really he can he can play it now,

1304
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. He really knows how to

1305
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 5: play now.

1306
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 2: And that's him singing on pop along Kid.

1307
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:33,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's him singing on a long Kid.

1308
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I get I get it. Okay.

1309
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 3: No, I just wanted to make sure I didn't know

1310
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 3: if that was him, that was you, if he was

1311
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 3: giving much singing duties or not. Okay, from from one

1312
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 3: from one to impossible? How hard were they on the

1313
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 3: choreography front of things? Because you guys, you guys really

1314
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 3: had a together, you know, It's almost like I wish

1315
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 3: it was five of you because you guys were doing

1316
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 3: shit that was like for our listeners out there, if

1317
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 3: you if you can, if you could demo, if you

1318
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 3: could demo, if you could google. A song called Shoe

1319
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 3: Shoeshine by the Dynamics Superiors, in my opinion, is one

1320
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 3: of the greatest performances ever on Soul Train, in which

1321
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 3: they literally act out every word that's saying, like this

1322
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 3: is past Charlie Atkins, this is past Brook Payne as

1323
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:30,719
Speaker 3: far as choreography is concerned. But yeah, I was saying

1324
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 3: that the choreography that you guys had, even if you say,

1325
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 3: like I'm not a dancer, somehow, in my mind I

1326
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 3: just always walked away with like Schallamar really had great

1327
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:46,719
Speaker 3: polished choreography, Like how hard were how hard?

1328
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 2: And like how much time did you guys spend on

1329
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 2: those routines?

1330
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 5: Spending a lot of time on the routines Jody. Jody

1331
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 5: was really instrumental as far as like putting together a

1332
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 5: lot of routine. Jeffrey would throw his his his situation

1333
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 5: in there a lot, and I at far, I mean,

1334
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,719
Speaker 5: I was just you know, because one of the things

1335
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 5: that that I was concerned about was the fact that

1336
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 5: I sing, and when you sing, it is like you

1337
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 5: got to breathe, and you got the and you're breathing

1338
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 5: if you're out of breath, you know what I'm saying.

1339
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 5: And so that's when I, you know, I did the

1340
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:24,600
Speaker 5: I did the choreography and went through the quote. But

1341
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 5: I told them, let's make be conscientious of the fact

1342
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 5: that I'm singing. You know what I'm saying. You got

1343
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 5: you know, you guys, I'm saying, I'm singing, I got

1344
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 5: to hit those notes that I created on those albums

1345
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 5: and all that kind of stuff, so you know, so

1346
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 5: that's yeah, like you you know, and then then get

1347
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, So you know, it was

1348
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 5: like then we started being I think we started being conscientious.

1349
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 5: They started being conscientious of that, and that's when the

1350
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 5: whole situation of like, you know, there's in choreography a

1351
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 5: lot of times less is more, you know what I'm saying,

1352
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 5: and the human mind, the human brain can only just

1353
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 5: take so much, you know, So I would rather people

1354
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 5: walk away from a concert saying, man, you remember when

1355
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 5: they did this thing together, boom boom, boom boom. They

1356
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 5: were together, and then Howard broke off and they broke on.

1357
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 5: Then they came back and did it together. And so

1358
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 5: I would rather that than a whole bunch of stuff

1359
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:31,799
Speaker 5: that they're not really gonna remember anyway. And so Jeffrey

1360
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 5: and Jody were on it. Jeffrey's whole backsliding thing that

1361
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 5: he had. Eventually, he's the one that taught Michael how

1362
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 5: to do that, and Michael named it the moonwalk. Jeff

1363
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 5: taught him how to do that. So but at the

1364
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 5: you know, during the show, we would play the song

1365
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 5: called what was it called I Forget It? But it

1366
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 5: was first first part of writing the Socket. It's called

1367
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 5: writing the Socket. Yeah, yeah, and we and they were

1368
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 5: being Then the band would break down into this funky

1369
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 5: groove and me and Jody would be on one side

1370
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 5: of stage rocking, and Jeffrey be all the way on

1371
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 5: the other side of the stage, and Jody and I

1372
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 5: would pull this imaginary rope right and pull it and

1373
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 5: boom like that, and Jeffrey would backslide all the way

1374
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 5: across the stage.

1375
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 2: Man.

1376
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 5: First, all people on the on the floor, It's guaranteed

1377
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,560
Speaker 5: they're standing up because they think he's on like a

1378
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 5: conveyor belt.

1379
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 2: That's how.

1380
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 5: Until that. From that point on we could do anything.

1381
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 5: We would do it. It was on, It was on.

1382
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,919
Speaker 3: So do you have any do you have any knowledge

1383
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 3: of because I know that Jeffrey was also trying to

1384
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 3: get another group off the ground, the one that with Casper,

1385
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 3: Coolly and Casper like his other dancers. There was there

1386
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 3: was like I think it was like a singing group whatever.

1387
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 3: I assume that he was trying to bring them through

1388
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 3: the solar channel. Did anything ever happen.

1389
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 5: To that project, I'm not sure. I remember Casper and

1390
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 5: Cooley though definitely Casper and Cooley actually went over first

1391
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 5: because we were we were going overseas for a promotional

1392
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 5: thing for about six weeks, so that's when Michael wanted

1393
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 5: to learn the backslide, So first Cap and Coley, Casspar

1394
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 5: and Cooley went over there to try and teach it

1395
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 5: to him, but for some reason he couldn't grasp it

1396
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 5: from them. So when we came back from uh, from

1397
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 5: the promotional to it, that's when Jeffrey went over and

1398
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 5: taught him.

1399
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 2: How to do.

1400
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 5: But I think the the group was called, uh, what

1401
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 5: was the what's the name of the group?

1402
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 2: I forget to forget, I'm forgetting. Yeah, I'm blink right now.

1403
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 5: It's a it's a. It was a dance group basically,

1404
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 5: and yeah, and like I don't know whether Jeffrey was

1405
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 5: trying to make it into a singing group too and

1406
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 5: maybe bring it to Dick or whatever, but nothing really

1407
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 5: came of it.

1408
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 3: Okay, So at the time when second time around becomes

1409
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 3: a big ass hit and it's definitely established that you're

1410
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 3: in in a you know, a well established group that's

1411
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 3: not going to have to struggle, at least in our eyes,

1412
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:14,600
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, you made it.

1413
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 2: Right out the box. How different does your life change?

1414
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 3: Like? What is it to be a young successful blackmail

1415
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 3: with a hit group? In Los Angeles, California nineteen.

1416
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 5: Eighty goopies were crazy, you know, but wet ass pussy.

1417
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 2: Did you just say that?

1418
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 8: And it made so much sense between me and Steven

1419
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 8: Howard And I'm afraid the resident or feeling there too.

1420
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:52,679
Speaker 6: I just don't know if every was there.

1421
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 3: Too out of context leave it out in context. They

1422
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:00,799
Speaker 3: just trust me listeners a conversation had.

1423
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 2: Earlier, but.

1424
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,719
Speaker 5: In a sense that was one of the changes, because

1425
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 5: you know, I had dealt with with the whole groupie

1426
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 5: thing since I was like, you know, young, very young,

1427
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 5: like even in the gospel situation there you had your

1428
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 5: gospel groupies, you know.

1429
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 2: And when I, oh, yeah that's what they was holy

1430
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 2: from the way stuff.

1431
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:27,640
Speaker 5: Man, you know, the Lord told me to give this

1432
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 5: to you. Okay, you know so, but but then you know,

1433
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 5: and then I had, you know, when I when I

1434
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 5: went into the R and B situation back in back

1435
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 5: in Ohio, we had our our fans that follow us

1436
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 5: around and then going overseas with the group with Beverly Hills,

1437
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 5: you know, yeah, I can't yeah, yeah, foreign situation. When

1438
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 5: I get with the group, I'm like, you know, I'm like, man,

1439
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 5: I got this down. This is like I've been dealing

1440
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 5: with this for a long time. There ain't nothing like

1441
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 5: hit record groups. Hit record groups are the ones that, like,

1442
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 5: you know, you come all of a sudden, it's like, oh,

1443
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 5: how did you get in here? You know, and so

1444
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 5: you know it that after a couple of years of that,

1445
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 5: that really made me look at that whole thing and

1446
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 5: and look and see, uh, you know, that's not something

1447
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,600
Speaker 5: I really want to deal with as far as that's concerned, because.

1448
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:25,560
Speaker 2: It's not like they know me.

1449
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 5: They just know what they think about me. They knew me,

1450
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 5: they might not even like me so like so that

1451
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 5: so I ended that whole thing that was That was

1452
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 5: a change in my life. But you know, as far

1453
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 5: as the responsibility, I think you started getting at least

1454
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 5: I did, anyway, started getting a sense of responsibility of

1455
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 5: what you're saying because you know that people are really

1456
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 5: listening to you, you know what I'm saying, and it's

1457
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 5: like and that's with that comes responsibility. It's like, you know,

1458
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 5: I got to like I said, I came from I

1459
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 5: came from a whole house of women, you know, like

1460
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 5: my mom, my mom, my four sisters, and then me

1461
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 5: and my dad were the only testosterone, you know walking

1462
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 5: around there for about three or four years until my

1463
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 5: younger my younger brother came. But you know, but I

1464
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 5: always looked at that and that always kind of shaped

1465
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 5: what I would allow myself to, you know, to say

1466
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 5: in my music and what I do and what I

1467
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 5: and what I project project as far as the music

1468
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 5: is concerned. So you know, but I mean it was

1469
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 5: it was because at the time, was we were only

1470
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 5: second time around was out there. I think it was

1471
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:40,720
Speaker 5: like I think I was about twenty three, twenty three

1472
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 5: years ago, you know, so young. We were really really young.

1473
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 5: Jeffrey's only like a couple of months older than I am,

1474
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 5: and Jodie's like, I forget, like about three four years younger.

1475
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 5: But you know, we were young, you know when that

1476
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 5: whole thing went down. So it was it was a

1477
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 5: big adjustment, and big adjustment.

1478
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 3: Is there any I mean not preparing you, but did

1479
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 3: it ever get to the point where, especially when you're

1480
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 3: young and impressionable, you have ideas of what starter was

1481
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 3: like like, oh, there's a limousine and there's a bodyguard.

1482
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 3: But I mean, was there just ever a time when

1483
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 3: you just couldn't do something simple like just go to

1484
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 3: the seven eleven to get you know, that would stick

1485
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 3: of gum or something like that.

1486
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 2: Was it like that or was it just.

1487
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 3: Could you still have a personal life or was it

1488
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 3: like constantly being chased around and that sort of thing.

1489
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 5: Not being chased around? I think it was like, you know,

1490
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 5: here in the States, you you had to realize you

1491
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 5: had to get a sense of where you could go

1492
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:49,639
Speaker 5: and where you couldn't go. You did It's like you know, places,

1493
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 5: there's places that even now I won't go because I

1494
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 5: won't be. It won't be you know, like you want

1495
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 5: a piece, yeah you're eating it was I don't mind.

1496
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 5: And you know, autographs and stuff, that's a part. You

1497
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 5: asked for it, you got it, Toyota, you know what

1498
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 5: I'm saying. So that's a whole thing. But like you know,

1499
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 5: the place that was really difficult to get around was

1500
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 5: was in the UK once when it when everything hit

1501
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,680
Speaker 5: in the UK, because the UK is so condensed, you

1502
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. I mean, the the whole island

1503
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 5: is what Boble's biggest California, but you got all kind

1504
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 5: of people in there and then and so once once

1505
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 5: we hit there, it was like, I mean, it was

1506
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 5: hit hit. Jeffrey went on top of the pops did

1507
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 5: his thing the next day. It was like bam, it

1508
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 5: was crazy, and.

1509
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 2: Uh, can you explain that situation.

1510
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 3: Because I've seen him do uh night to remember where

1511
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 3: he's just pop locking by himself. And you know, even

1512
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 3: I went to live there for a couple of years

1513
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 3: and they still talk about like that being such a

1514
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:03,560
Speaker 3: game changing moment. I know that Jeffrey also hosted the

1515
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 3: British version of Souldiering Soultring six twenty or whatever it

1516
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 3: was called. But what was the situation that both you

1517
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 3: and Jody didn't make that promotional tour and Jeffrey just

1518
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,560
Speaker 3: decided to pop lock and then well, to give you

1519
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 3: guys a backstory, I believe that the legend is that

1520
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 3: you guys were supposed to perform on Top of the Pops,

1521
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 3: but something happened, so he decides, I'm just gonna pop lock,

1522
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:31,640
Speaker 3: and he does the moon walk on the show, and

1523
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 3: suddenly you guys become instant mega celebrities.

1524
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 5: That's how I always say, whatever we were, whatever we

1525
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 5: are over there in the UK, I mean we still

1526
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 5: Jeffrey and I and Carolyn Griffy still tour over there now,

1527
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 5: and we out we've carved out a real niche out there,

1528
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 5: real good niche over there where we're doing festivals with

1529
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 5: sixty seventy thousand people over there is now you know so,

1530
01:21:55,920 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 5: And but what happened was all right? That happened was

1531
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 5: we have been on the road so much. Also, Jody

1532
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 5: was like pregnant with her first her first child or daughter, Lauren,

1533
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,640
Speaker 5: and uh, and I was trying to piece together what

1534
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 5: little bit was left of my first marriage you know,

1535
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 5: and which didn't happen. You know, it didn't work. But

1536
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 5: but we have been on the road so much for

1537
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 5: so long, we said, and at the time I can

1538
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 5: make you Feel Good. There's another song that that me

1539
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 5: and I get we wrote, we wrote together, and and

1540
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 5: I Can make You Feel Good came out over there.

1541
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 5: I Can make you Feel Good blown up, you know,

1542
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 5: going up to charts, and took so long for us

1543
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 5: to decide what we're going to do. By the time

1544
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 5: he got there, I Can make you Feel Good had

1545
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 5: had fallen to number two and Top Fox was the

1546
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 5: number was was a program where they only did number

1547
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 5: one records on there, so so he couldn't do he

1548
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 5: couldn't do I Can make You Feel Good. But then

1549
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 5: somehow I forget what happened. They they arranged it so

1550
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 5: he could come back on there since he was all

1551
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 5: the way all the way over because it felt the

1552
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 5: number two on his way over there.

1553
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 7: You know.

1554
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 5: That's cold, I know, so like like they said, you know,

1555
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 5: they said, well, you know, yo, we can get him

1556
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 5: on here. You can do you know, do a dance,

1557
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 5: because he was going to do a dance thing to

1558
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 5: I Can make You Feel Good. But he ended up

1559
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 5: doing it to night, remember, yes, and I think that

1560
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 5: was going to be the next single anyway or something

1561
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 5: like that. So he went on there, and Top of

1562
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:43,560
Speaker 5: the Pops is the type of show. It came on

1563
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 5: every Thursday, you know. And and if you went on

1564
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 5: Top of the Pops and and Kill Friday, you saw

1565
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 5: your album sales go go through the roof. That's how

1566
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 5: how how instantly impactful. You know that that show was

1567
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 5: to the UK. So man, he went on there. They

1568
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:05,560
Speaker 5: went crazy. Man, they went crazy. It was like it

1569
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,599
Speaker 5: was like, you know, we couldn't we couldn't walk down

1570
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 5: the street apps time. And then we went over there.

1571
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 3: You know, I was going to say that in some

1572
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 3: weird way, you guys, not going over there almost served

1573
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:28,679
Speaker 3: the group better because of that very specific Hey guys,

1574
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if you I don't know if you remember,

1575
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:36,839
Speaker 3: but when Leon had did our show, he had mentioned

1576
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 3: a Shalamar video that it's escaping me right now. But

1577
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 3: I went, I forget the title, but I went to

1578
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 3: actually look it up on YouTube, and I have to

1579
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 3: say it it's.

1580
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 2: Probably in my mind.

1581
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 3: I thought the emergency video for the Whispers was the

1582
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 3: weirdest video from the Solar cannon with them arguing inside of.

1583
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 2: A phone booth.

1584
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:08,519
Speaker 3: But you guys have a very it might have been

1585
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 3: for the song you just mentioned. It was like you

1586
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 3: were in a garden or do you not remember in

1587
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 3: a garden? Like you're in a flower shop or something

1588
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 3: like that.

1589
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 5: It's like, I don't want to be the last to know.

1590
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 2: Yo, Okay, who conceptualized? Have you guys seen this video? Y'all?

1591
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 3: No, forget forget keep on love of Me, forget all

1592
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 3: the weird videos that have come from Solar.

1593
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 2: Records, like this tops every Oh my god everything.

1594
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 3: I only I only wish I had a time machine

1595
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 3: to go back to Leon Silver's interview so we could

1596
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 3: talk about this video so.

1597
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 2: War because I looked it up way after after we

1598
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 2: did the interview. What was who conceptualized that video?

1599
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 5: Dude? It's like, didn't white It's like meats and one

1600
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 5: of them flop hats on and something like that.

1601
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 2: It's like an anti bellum, Like what's going on in

1602
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 2: this video?

1603
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 5: I don't want to be the last you know, if

1604
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 5: you're gone? Yeah, man, it was like that was back

1605
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 5: in it. That was back We did three videos in

1606
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:25,680
Speaker 5: the same day.

1607
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 8: Man.

1608
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 6: This was the last one.

1609
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 5: I don't know who came up with their concept, because man, wow,

1610
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 5: your hair was I mean, but but it's just like,

1611
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 5: what was it the night to remember? I think when

1612
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 5: Jeffrey was the bartender, the waiter or the bar, he

1613
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 5: came out the closet and I'm like, that's not cool.

1614
01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that video was weird.

1615
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 8: But this, this, this takes the click, this taste, man,

1616
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 8: this white face.

1617
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 2: This is the one time I wish the show had

1618
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 2: a visual component. Everybody looking at it now, this this

1619
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:09,680
Speaker 2: is the oddest thing.

1620
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 5: Yo, Man is crazy. Like I said, but we did

1621
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 5: three videos. I remember it was. It's nice to remember.

1622
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 5: I don't want to be the last. And this tune

1623
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:25,720
Speaker 5: called work work it Out, work it out, you know right,

1624
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 5: check out, work it out? Work it out?

1625
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 2: Is like that, that's even that's even crazy.

1626
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 5: It's even weirder. You know.

1627
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 2: So who directed these videos? Bill Parker, Jesus Christ. It's weird.

1628
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 2: You're right, I'm sorry, I'm like looking at it right now.

1629
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 5: But work it out? Yes, we got balloons working out. Yes, yes,

1630
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 5: and then the balloons go back.

1631
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 7: But I mean, but really though, I mean, those videos

1632
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:58,879
Speaker 7: are weird, but I really looking back at it videos

1633
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 7: were really something that I think it took a lot

1634
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 7: of like black artists a while to figure out, you

1635
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying, like what it was because a

1636
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 7: lot of those like early ages, I mean, they you could.

1637
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 2: Tell that they didn't know what the fuck to do,

1638
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? You know what I'm saying.

1639
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:16,639
Speaker 2: I mean, you look at it, don't look any further video.

1640
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 2: It's just like what in the hell you know what

1641
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 2: I mean?

1642
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 5: Right?

1643
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:24,679
Speaker 2: Right? Uh, don't look any further video from Dennis Edwards insight.

1644
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I will admit, like you guys, the whole

1645
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 3: Solar Cannon, all the groups, including the Lakeside videos, and

1646
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 3: even though I'm coming like at least like the fact

1647
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:41,640
Speaker 3: that you guys we're thinking forward as far as the

1648
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 3: visual component that most groups weren't even thinking of back then,

1649
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,560
Speaker 3: you know, so it's almost like and that probably explains

1650
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get into.

1651
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the life of me, I don't even know

1652
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 2: how you guys.

1653
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 3: Were successful in getting a deck giveaway on MTV at

1654
01:28:58,800 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 3: a time when MTV was.

1655
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:02,720
Speaker 2: Very slow to play back black videos. But wait, I

1656
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 2: do have a question. I gotta go to Charlene and

1657
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 2: Willis's theme. Please. Why wasn't Somewhere There's a Love for

1658
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 2: Me ever released as a single?

1659
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 5: Amazing song the way that people respond to it, man,

1660
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 5: you would single, you would think it was it was

1661
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:26,640
Speaker 5: a single at some point because it's like they go crazy.

1662
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 2: That Different Strokes episode, did y'all justice? Like that's you know,

1663
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:32,840
Speaker 2: for those.

1664
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 3: Who don't know, you know, when Janet Jackson first was

1665
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 3: on Different Strokes like that was her and will In

1666
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 3: Todd Bridge's song on on on that show.

1667
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 5: So I didn't. I didn't know that, you know, I

1668
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 5: didn't know that.

1669
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 2: You never knew that.

1670
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 5: I never knew that. I didn't. I never really watched

1671
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:50,200
Speaker 5: Different Strokes that much.

1672
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 2: But song placement. Man, again, I was a ten year old,

1673
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:55,600
Speaker 2: so it's like, you know.

1674
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 3: Can you explain why me being aware of what you

1675
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 3: guys's records were as they came out. I do remember

1676
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 3: being very shocked and surprised when Gofer it was just

1677
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 3: like in the record Ben and I was like, well, wait,

1678
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 3: where's the.

1679
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 2: Single at how come? I almost felt like it was

1680
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 2: just put out there. It was just arbitrarily like what

1681
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 2: was was God for a bunch of throwaway songs or

1682
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 2: it was.

1683
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 5: It was there was we were going. Uh, Solar was

1684
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:31,640
Speaker 5: going from r c A Distribution to Electure Distribution, to

1685
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 5: complete to complete their obligation to r c A. Each

1686
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 5: group on the on the on the Solar label old

1687
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:43,600
Speaker 5: r c A. Another another album, one more album and

1688
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 5: then we could then Solar could move on to Electure Distribution.

1689
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 5: So it was like it was we called we used

1690
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:54,799
Speaker 5: to call it the Throwaway album. But on that album,

1691
01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:57,599
Speaker 5: you had you had Sweeter as the Days Go By,

1692
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 5: you had you know, this talk to Me, which was

1693
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 5: which was like a crazy crazy things. James and I

1694
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:10,599
Speaker 5: did a song on there called you Got Me Right,

1695
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 5: you know, one of those urgency things, you know, and

1696
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 5: and but that's what it was. We used to call

1697
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:20,679
Speaker 5: it the throwaway album, you know. And that was because

1698
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:25,720
Speaker 5: we had to fulfill the obligation to h RCA disabusing

1699
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:28,640
Speaker 5: company and so that they can move on to the

1700
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 5: Electric election.

1701
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 3: So at the time, though, and you know, like Thuraway albums,

1702
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 3: are you know Frank Zapple was famous for it. Uh,

1703
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 3: you know, Prince did Cast and Disorder. Like Thuraway albums,

1704
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,120
Speaker 3: there's nothing new about it. But at the time, are

1705
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 3: you feeling like, well, we do have a are you

1706
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 3: thinking about it in terms of legacy, like, well, I

1707
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 3: don't I don't want to just put a stinker out

1708
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 3: there or something that doesn't have all this promotion or something,

1709
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 3: because you guys are basically releasing it knowing that it's

1710
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 3: going to be dead in the water anyway. But did

1711
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:02,920
Speaker 3: you feel any sort of way about that as a group,

1712
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 3: like we don't want to waste a shot, especially when

1713
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 3: we have this much momentum.

1714
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 2: Mmmm.

1715
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 5: We really didn't think about that a lot because I

1716
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 5: guess we were depending on the guidance of the record

1717
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 5: company as far as that's concerned. You know, they said, Okay,

1718
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:20,639
Speaker 5: we're gonna do this. It's gonna be cool, blah blah blah,

1719
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 5: and like I said, some some uh sweeter as the

1720
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 5: days go by. That was that was a that was

1721
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 5: a pretty you know, it turned out to be a

1722
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 5: pretty especially overseas, turned out to be a pretty popular

1723
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 5: song and stuff. So it wasn't it wasn't like we

1724
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:38,719
Speaker 5: put it wasn't like if you listen to the album,

1725
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 5: wasn't like we put a stinker out there. There was

1726
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:42,080
Speaker 5: some stuff on, there was some stuff.

1727
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 2: Sorry about that. I didn't mean stinker.

1728
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:46,640
Speaker 3: But in terms of releasing it knowing that you're just

1729
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 3: going to go put all the energy in front of

1730
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 3: the Friends album.

1731
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 5: That's yeah, yeah, in front of the album with the

1732
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 5: new distribution company. Now, I think we were you know again,

1733
01:32:57,360 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 5: we were so we were still at that point, we

1734
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 5: were still was pretty young in the business, and like

1735
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 5: so we were we were depending if Dick said we're

1736
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 5: gonna put it with you know, get a throw Way album.

1737
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 5: Leon I said, we're gonna do a throw Way album. Okay,

1738
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 5: all right, cool, let's do it. Let's get in there

1739
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 5: and work, you know.

1740
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 3: But I also noticed that this was the album that

1741
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 3: the three of you really got to contribute a lot

1742
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 3: of your personal songs to it, right.

1743
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 5: Right, especially Jeffrey. Jeffrey did a lot of stuff on there.

1744
01:33:22,360 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 3: And so in your in your mind, like what's what's

1745
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:27,759
Speaker 3: your favorite album of v Shallamar Cannon?

1746
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 5: I think like I really dig Three for Love. I

1747
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:38,040
Speaker 5: dig Three for Love because of the the politics of

1748
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 5: it and as far as because Lee Young Junr told

1749
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 5: me when I first got with the group, because up

1750
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 5: until that time, it was a lot of caricatures as

1751
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 5: far as album covers concerned. You know, the Uptown Festival

1752
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 5: album cover was a cartoon.

1753
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 2: Type of character, the disco gardens and.

1754
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 5: Disco guard and and also you know even the big fun.

1755
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 10: Album you know, on thee and stuff and still you know,

1756
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:10,400
Speaker 10: but Lee told me, man, you have to establish your

1757
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 10: faces as far as the group is concerned when people,

1758
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:16,160
Speaker 10: you have to establish it so that when people.

1759
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:20,679
Speaker 5: Say Shalomar, they think of Howard, Jeffrey and Jody because

1760
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 5: they see it. And then and on the on the

1761
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 5: legal tip, you know, that was very cool. So that

1762
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:29,040
Speaker 5: was that was really important to me as far as

1763
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:33,560
Speaker 5: that album was concerned. Which album, which album was for

1764
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:36,240
Speaker 5: the lover and you on? Was that on three for Love?

1765
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:37,800
Speaker 5: That was on three for Love?

1766
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 2: I believe, I believe, Yeah it's on yeah, yes.

1767
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 5: And what you were talking about in the very beginning

1768
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 5: of the of this whole of this whole show was

1769
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 5: very important because when I first got with the group,

1770
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 5: it was like, you know, Shalamar the disco group, you

1771
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:56,800
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, And like, like I said, I

1772
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,320
Speaker 5: wasn't a big fan of disco, you know what I'm saying.

1773
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:02,560
Speaker 5: So my thing was like, that's we need to establish

1774
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 5: this as a as a as a group, as a

1775
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 5: as a whatever you want to pop, R and B whatever,

1776
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:12,760
Speaker 5: not disco. So when we did for the Lovering You,

1777
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:15,920
Speaker 5: for the lover and You was very instrumental in doing that,

1778
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:19,559
Speaker 5: taking us from the disco group into you know, when

1779
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 5: they started talking about Shalamar, you know, after for the

1780
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 5: Lovering You, it was like, yeah, the group Shalamar, the

1781
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:31,560
Speaker 5: singing group, pop group, R and B group, But you know,

1782
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 5: put the disco group out of the picture.

1783
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:36,000
Speaker 2: What was the name, Where did the name come from?

1784
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:37,759
Speaker 2: What was the meaning of the name Chalamar.

1785
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 5: This is there's this cat named Sis Simone Susan who

1786
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:48,799
Speaker 5: brought h Uptown Festival to Dick and Don Cornelia's Uptown

1787
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 5: Festival was like a medley of motown hits, you know,

1788
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:55,600
Speaker 5: so like uh, you know, in the disco, in the

1789
01:35:55,680 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 5: disco format. And so Simone Soussan was this cat. And

1790
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:03,240
Speaker 5: there was a there was a garden over in the

1791
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:07,080
Speaker 5: Middle East or something like that called Shalomar Garden. It

1792
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:10,560
Speaker 5: was a s H L I M A R. You know,

1793
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 5: shalle Mar.

1794
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:13,320
Speaker 2: It was this.

1795
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:17,880
Speaker 5: There was this uh, there was this botanical garden that

1796
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:22,120
Speaker 5: this potentate or somebody you know, put together for his lady,

1797
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 5: you know, and and so like there was this beautiful garden.

1798
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 5: That's how they got disco garden out of it. And

1799
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 5: then they changed the.

1800
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 2: I to the A and s A A L A

1801
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:35,760
Speaker 2: M A L s H s H A L A

1802
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 2: M A R.

1803
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:39,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, what can you what can you tell us

1804
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 7: both legally and and respectfully about Jody's situation and why

1805
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:48,320
Speaker 7: she's not torn with the band currently with us currently.

1806
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

1807
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 5: At the time, we we got an offer Jeffrey, like

1808
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 5: I think it was about twenty years ago, seventeen twenty

1809
01:36:56,200 --> 01:37:00,720
Speaker 5: years or so ago. We we uh uh got well,

1810
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:04,400
Speaker 5: Jeffrey got an offer to do five gigs over in Asia,

1811
01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:07,880
Speaker 5: over and throughout Japan and stuff, and so you know,

1812
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:10,800
Speaker 5: we called Jody, we said, you know, jeff called me.

1813
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 5: I said, yeah, I'm down, I'm cool, it'll be fun.

1814
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:18,240
Speaker 5: And then we called Jody and Jody said, well, I

1815
01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:20,680
Speaker 5: don't think I really want to revisit that part of

1816
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 5: my life, you know, and and which you know you

1817
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:28,320
Speaker 5: can't say, I mean, she she, You know, everybody didn't

1818
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 5: have the same you know, it's a situation you can do.

1819
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:35,599
Speaker 5: You know, three people, two people can experience the same.

1820
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 2: Exact thing and come different experiences.

1821
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:42,599
Speaker 5: Two different experiences. So you got three people who experienced

1822
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 5: the same exact thing and came away with three different

1823
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:51,200
Speaker 5: uh experiences. So at that time, Jeffrey and I went

1824
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 5: and we did the shows by herself. We put the

1825
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:55,600
Speaker 5: band together and we did the shows ourselves, you know,

1826
01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 5: and uh. And then in fact we went on to

1827
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:02,280
Speaker 5: do a bunch of stuff in the UK. We went

1828
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:05,040
Speaker 5: to Africa a couple of times with that light, with

1829
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:07,840
Speaker 5: just me and Jeffrey. And then when we wanted to

1830
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:12,760
Speaker 5: bring the female entity back into it, Carolyn Griffy who

1831
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:16,559
Speaker 5: is Dick Griffy's daughter, and she was she was singing

1832
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 5: background for me on a lot of my solo stuff,

1833
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:22,599
Speaker 5: you know, and so she had the history of the group,

1834
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:25,920
Speaker 5: she had the passion of the group. So we didn't even,

1835
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 5: we didn't even. And also she had she has an

1836
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 5: amazing voice. I love her, I love her instrument. And

1837
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 5: we didn't even audition to anybody else. We just offered

1838
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:37,799
Speaker 5: the position.

1839
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:42,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, how was your how was your relationship before mister

1840
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 7: Griffy when he passed? How was our relationship at that

1841
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 7: time right before he passed?

1842
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:51,639
Speaker 5: Me and Dick, Yeah, yeah, and we were we were

1843
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:54,320
Speaker 5: we were at each other's about something. I forget what

1844
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 5: it was. I forget what it was. He didn't, And

1845
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 5: it was funny because, like, you know, he was just

1846
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:05,080
Speaker 5: he was just learning about texting and stuff at that

1847
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:10,960
Speaker 5: time and accidentally sent it to me. I'm like, nigga,

1848
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 5: you know, and I just I just laughed, you know,

1849
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 5: and and I forget what it was we were arguing

1850
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:25,920
Speaker 5: about at that time, but I loved him. I loved it,

1851
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:28,880
Speaker 5: you know. And then we had a bitter sweet thing

1852
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:39,680
Speaker 5: when he passed, Yeah, seventy something, you know, and like

1853
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 5: you know, it was it was, it was.

1854
01:39:41,120 --> 01:39:41,559
Speaker 2: It was sad.

1855
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:44,400
Speaker 5: I never got a chance to see him right when

1856
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:47,040
Speaker 5: before he passed. We had a couple of meetings before

1857
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:50,680
Speaker 5: he got before he got sick, and uh, you know,

1858
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:53,840
Speaker 5: but we were arguing about something then. I forget what

1859
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:54,280
Speaker 5: it was.

1860
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 3: But wow, you know, I know, I know I brought

1861
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:01,000
Speaker 3: it up earlier, but kind of want to revisit it.

1862
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:05,640
Speaker 3: I know that you and James Ingram are singing on

1863
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:08,839
Speaker 3: p YT. Are you at all involved on the original

1864
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:14,840
Speaker 3: version of p YT the slower before it turned into

1865
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:19,120
Speaker 3: the version that's on Thriller. There's another alternative, slower, smoother

1866
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:24,320
Speaker 3: version of Yeah. Yeah, a slower version. Are you on

1867
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:26,400
Speaker 3: that version at all? Or is it just the version

1868
01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 3: that's on Thriller?

1869
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:29,920
Speaker 5: Just a version is on Thriller. I didn't even know

1870
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 5: there was a slower version.

1871
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:33,479
Speaker 2: Out, you know, you know good well, yeah, they left

1872
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 2: no stone unturned, like they kept.

1873
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:40,439
Speaker 5: Where the background sampled from the from the no.

1874
01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:44,080
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's completely different recording. Just the title.

1875
01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:46,439
Speaker 3: They shared the title, that's all. Like they turned into

1876
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:51,960
Speaker 3: something totally totally different. But speaking of speaking of Griffy again,

1877
01:40:52,240 --> 01:40:57,320
Speaker 3: you know, MTV was was just a baby, and of

1878
01:40:57,439 --> 01:41:00,840
Speaker 3: course they were world famous for really not focusing on

1879
01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:06,720
Speaker 3: that many black acts. And yet I remember at the

1880
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:09,600
Speaker 3: same time when they started slowly playing Billy Jean and

1881
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:13,679
Speaker 3: beat It, you guys were one of the few groups

1882
01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:15,920
Speaker 3: that they slowly letting the door, along with like Prince

1883
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:21,479
Speaker 3: and Lionel, Ritchie, Eddie Griant. How do you do you

1884
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 3: know how that happened? Like how was was that the

1885
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:27,080
Speaker 3: making of Dick Griffy or like.

1886
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:30,840
Speaker 5: I don't know what the politics were as far as

1887
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:32,800
Speaker 5: what the politics were as far as getting all that

1888
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:35,960
Speaker 5: into in uh into the playlist, but at the time

1889
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 5: it was just it was just us and Michael and

1890
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:42,320
Speaker 5: but you know, don you had that you had that

1891
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:47,760
Speaker 5: famous interview with David Bowie and Bowie. Yeah, and I

1892
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 5: think at that point they started kind of re re

1893
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:54,599
Speaker 5: looking at certain situations. When David Bowie comes up to usist,

1894
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:57,439
Speaker 5: how can you call yourself a music channel and and

1895
01:41:57,560 --> 01:42:00,479
Speaker 5: you not playing black music? It's like it's crazy, you know,

1896
01:42:01,200 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 5: so so like, but I'm not sure about the politics.

1897
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:08,479
Speaker 5: It was just you know, people they the promotion. People

1898
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:11,000
Speaker 5: kept pushing it, kept pushing it. But at the time,

1899
01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:13,000
Speaker 5: like I said, it was just it was just us

1900
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:15,200
Speaker 5: and Michael at the time that they were playing.

1901
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:22,120
Speaker 3: Okay, So can I assume that the look was technically

1902
01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 3: kind of sort of maybe your first solo record, but.

1903
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:29,040
Speaker 5: Kind of.

1904
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:33,479
Speaker 2: Okay, it was the last.

1905
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 5: It was the last album that we did that Jeffrey

1906
01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:40,160
Speaker 5: and Jody and I did together. But they participated just

1907
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:44,080
Speaker 5: like they equally as far as like just like we

1908
01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 5: used to do all the rest of the projects and stuff.

1909
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:49,519
Speaker 5: There's a tune on there called you Are the You're

1910
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:52,200
Speaker 5: the One for me, man. Check that tune out if

1911
01:42:52,200 --> 01:42:53,320
Speaker 5: you get a chance to check that TOI.

1912
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:55,360
Speaker 3: Oh, I know I know it well, I know it well,

1913
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:57,759
Speaker 3: but I just wanted to know, like the working process.

1914
01:42:58,160 --> 01:43:00,600
Speaker 3: Speaking of the Look, I know, I know, and you

1915
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:03,960
Speaker 3: know I'm a Philadelphian. So I feel like a bad

1916
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:06,040
Speaker 3: Philadelphian because I'm gonna ask you this question.

1917
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:10,120
Speaker 2: But I know that you wrote the Look with Stanley Clark.

1918
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:15,759
Speaker 3: Now personally one of my all time favorite how Youwit songs,

1919
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:19,400
Speaker 3: non shallow mar related, But really, if I'm honest with it,

1920
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:21,559
Speaker 3: this is probably my all time favorite song of yours.

1921
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:23,840
Speaker 2: Is Heaven Sent?

1922
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:27,880
Speaker 3: Now you know, as a jazz head, you know this

1923
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 3: is a guy that's you know, done, returned it forever,

1924
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:31,360
Speaker 3: doesn't change the world.

1925
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:35,920
Speaker 2: Of bass music. I feel really silly that this is also.

1926
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 3: Might be my favorite Stanley Clark song, being as though

1927
01:43:39,400 --> 01:43:41,840
Speaker 3: he has such an intricate history with his bass, but

1928
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:46,840
Speaker 3: this one particular song says could you What I really

1929
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:49,439
Speaker 3: want to know is why didn't you say that for

1930
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:51,960
Speaker 3: your own project? Yes, even though it made noise on

1931
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:55,760
Speaker 3: his record, I almost felt like because when it came out,

1932
01:43:55,880 --> 01:43:57,880
Speaker 3: I felt like, oh, this is the how are you

1933
01:43:57,960 --> 01:43:58,760
Speaker 3: were solo joint?

1934
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:00,880
Speaker 2: And then I couldn't find it.

1935
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:04,519
Speaker 3: She's looking for forever, and then finally it's like it's

1936
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:07,200
Speaker 3: buried on you know the Stanley Clark record.

1937
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:08,559
Speaker 2: Did you talk about that song?

1938
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:12,559
Speaker 5: That song? It was was one of the first times

1939
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:17,280
Speaker 5: that I ventured, one of my first ventures off from Solar,

1940
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:20,719
Speaker 5: you know what, I'm right, And so, like I said before,

1941
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:23,519
Speaker 5: Dick wasn't really a big fan of that, but you know,

1942
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 5: it was like you gotta you can't just you know,

1943
01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:30,040
Speaker 5: keep people sold up in certain situations. So it was

1944
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:34,200
Speaker 5: when Stanley, because Stanley and I met first, and then

1945
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:38,439
Speaker 5: he un me to George and when we met, we

1946
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:42,280
Speaker 5: had a mutual friend that was his accountant, I think,

1947
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:44,360
Speaker 5: and then he did some he doesn't work for me,

1948
01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:48,080
Speaker 5: and then he introduced me to Stanley. Stan was a

1949
01:44:48,160 --> 01:44:51,800
Speaker 5: fan of you know, the Salomar stuff, and I was

1950
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:55,559
Speaker 5: definitely a fan of Stanley. It's because my first instrument

1951
01:44:55,680 --> 01:44:57,240
Speaker 5: that I learned how to play when I was like

1952
01:44:57,360 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 5: twelve years old was bass, So you know, I was

1953
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:06,400
Speaker 5: the Stanley was like the cat, right, So we just

1954
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:09,280
Speaker 5: started working together. And there was another cat that wrote

1955
01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:11,920
Speaker 5: that song. I think he passed away. I can't remember

1956
01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:17,519
Speaker 5: that wrote a lot on Heaven sent Heaven said, yeah.

1957
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:19,680
Speaker 2: Okay, I gotta look it up.

1958
01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:24,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't remember his name. There was some I

1959
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:27,160
Speaker 5: remember there was some stuff that was going on with

1960
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:30,840
Speaker 5: him and Stanley, but you know, we got we you know,

1961
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:34,080
Speaker 5: we went in and started recording, started messing around with it,

1962
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:36,479
Speaker 5: and it was just it was it was just slated

1963
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:38,439
Speaker 5: to go on his album. It wasn't slated to go

1964
01:45:38,520 --> 01:45:41,519
Speaker 5: on my album. And that was before I think, you know,

1965
01:45:41,960 --> 01:45:45,040
Speaker 5: the whole concept of putting a song. You could put

1966
01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:48,040
Speaker 5: it on this album, I'll do it that album, put

1967
01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:49,760
Speaker 5: it on my album. You know what I'm saying. We

1968
01:45:50,360 --> 01:45:51,479
Speaker 5: weren't doing that then.

1969
01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:54,360
Speaker 2: Is this song is it? Is it still in your repertoire?

1970
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:58,240
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, oh yeah, definitely definitely. I love that.

1971
01:45:58,840 --> 01:45:59,000
Speaker 2: You know.

1972
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:02,799
Speaker 7: I was just gonna ask, what was the creative chemistry

1973
01:46:02,960 --> 01:46:05,439
Speaker 7: like Stanley and George working together?

1974
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:07,040
Speaker 2: What were they like in the studio together?

1975
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:10,400
Speaker 5: Man? It was like because because I did a lot

1976
01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:16,120
Speaker 5: of the Clark Duke, uh and a lot of involved

1977
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:18,000
Speaker 5: in a lot of that, especially the videos I do,

1978
01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:23,680
Speaker 5: these little crazy cameo appearances on the videos didn't make

1979
01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:25,840
Speaker 5: any sense all of a sudden, I'm there, you know

1980
01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:30,840
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. It was amazing. I mean, George just

1981
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:34,240
Speaker 5: working with George, so George was just I mean, if

1982
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:37,639
Speaker 5: you didn't know anybody that didn't. All the whole bottom

1983
01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:42,719
Speaker 5: part of George's house in Hollywood, uh, lower Hollywood Hills,

1984
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:46,479
Speaker 5: basically off of Franklin. The whole bottom part of his

1985
01:46:46,600 --> 01:46:52,320
Speaker 5: house was his studio. Everything room, studio, you know, everything,

1986
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:56,880
Speaker 5: the lounge, everything was. The studio had a he had

1987
01:46:56,920 --> 01:47:00,519
Speaker 5: his wine cellar down there and stuff, and I mean

1988
01:47:00,920 --> 01:47:03,240
Speaker 5: it was it was just we We would just go

1989
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:05,560
Speaker 5: in there and it was a place to go in

1990
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:09,639
Speaker 5: and just be creative and working with and then watching

1991
01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:15,360
Speaker 5: him and Stanley together was just a double double situation,

1992
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:19,840
Speaker 5: double dose of what you know, George did and it

1993
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:24,080
Speaker 5: and it and it was was enhanced by Stanley's stuff.

1994
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:27,720
Speaker 5: Stanley do some stuff, George would enhance it with his thing.

1995
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:29,080
Speaker 2: I mean it was.

1996
01:47:29,240 --> 01:47:34,360
Speaker 5: It was a major, major creative, total creative atmosphere in there.

1997
01:47:35,040 --> 01:47:36,280
Speaker 2: That's beautiful, man. Wow.

1998
01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:40,559
Speaker 3: Could you what was the audition process like for Mickey

1999
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:48,719
Speaker 3: Free and Delisa Davis once Jeffrey and Jody left, uh, challabar.

2000
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:54,000
Speaker 5: Well, for Mickey, there wasn't really an audition situation. Mickey

2001
01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:58,080
Speaker 5: was working on a project I think with Leon, you know,

2002
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:02,680
Speaker 5: and Mickey was like basically, you know, this prince like

2003
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:07,640
Speaker 5: uh player cat and and he was working out of

2004
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:11,200
Speaker 5: a studio masters, and so I would come there. I

2005
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:13,880
Speaker 5: was working on something, and then we see each other,

2006
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:16,599
Speaker 5: I think with these studio masters of Larbie a studio

2007
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:19,719
Speaker 5: I can't remember, but we crossed each other across the path.

2008
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:20,640
Speaker 5: Hey man, what was up?

2009
01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:21,000
Speaker 2: Hey man?

2010
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:25,080
Speaker 5: What's up? And then keep on going right, and then

2011
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:29,360
Speaker 5: we started talking and stuff. And Mickey is Mickey if

2012
01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:32,760
Speaker 5: he ever decided to put this guitar down and not

2013
01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:35,479
Speaker 5: do music anymore, he could be a stand up comedian

2014
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 5: for real. That that nigga had me cracking up the

2015
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:44,519
Speaker 5: whole time. And so then that's when I talked to

2016
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:46,920
Speaker 5: Leon because like I said, they were they were working

2017
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:49,479
Speaker 5: on something. And then I said, well, why don't I

2018
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:53,559
Speaker 5: bring you know, uh Mickey in, which changed the whole

2019
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:58,400
Speaker 5: situation of the group, you know, because Mickey was more

2020
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:01,400
Speaker 5: of this rock cat and I was just looking to

2021
01:49:01,479 --> 01:49:03,400
Speaker 5: do something to pass the time for two and a

2022
01:49:03,439 --> 01:49:07,800
Speaker 5: half years, you know, so you know, and we went

2023
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:09,960
Speaker 5: into the whole you know, we went into the whole

2024
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:12,280
Speaker 5: rock thing. You know. I always had my dressing room

2025
01:49:12,280 --> 01:49:14,120
Speaker 5: when Jeffrey was in the group. It was me and

2026
01:49:14,240 --> 01:49:17,280
Speaker 5: Jeffrey had a dressing room, right, we just went together.

2027
01:49:17,439 --> 01:49:19,960
Speaker 5: Joey would have her own dressing room, but it's just

2028
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:22,840
Speaker 5: you know, the camaraderie of it, you know. So Mickey

2029
01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:25,800
Speaker 5: and I had our dressing room together. Our theme song

2030
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:30,080
Speaker 5: in the dressing room was Rebel Yelle, which would call

2031
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:40,360
Speaker 5: leather gloves on and the built can you know what

2032
01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 5: I'm saying? And were ready to go out there and

2033
01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:45,720
Speaker 5: deal man, So like it changed the whole thing. Now

2034
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:50,920
Speaker 5: with Deleisa, we Dick came up with this idea of

2035
01:49:51,240 --> 01:49:56,000
Speaker 5: involving a lot of the local different local radio stations

2036
01:49:56,040 --> 01:50:01,120
Speaker 5: across the country and do this contest contest to find

2037
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:06,840
Speaker 5: the girl for Saloman, you know. And it involved the

2038
01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:11,040
Speaker 5: local radio stations and and all of them. They put

2039
01:50:11,080 --> 01:50:15,400
Speaker 5: together this thing. They had auditions Don Lewis. Don Lewis

2040
01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:19,559
Speaker 5: auditioned in New York. That's when I first met Don Lewis.

2041
01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:26,720
Speaker 2: I don't remember, I was I was all episode. I

2042
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:30,200
Speaker 2: missed that episode. Yeah, was our last pre COVID interview.

2043
01:50:30,840 --> 01:50:36,320
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I remember Don coming out with these hot

2044
01:50:36,400 --> 01:50:39,639
Speaker 5: pants and these and these uh uh what they called

2045
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:44,200
Speaker 5: fish net stockings. Right for years, I called her fish

2046
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:46,960
Speaker 5: net right because she didn't she didn't win the audition,

2047
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:50,960
Speaker 5: and Delease because she won the New York audition, and

2048
01:50:51,120 --> 01:50:53,720
Speaker 5: then she was then they flew they flew her to

2049
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:56,960
Speaker 5: l A and one it was here's l A in

2050
01:50:57,240 --> 01:50:58,880
Speaker 5: l A. One of the time she was in LA

2051
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:02,519
Speaker 5: that's when she forgets she connected with the different world

2052
01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 5: people are are, yeah, the different world people. But for

2053
01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:08,920
Speaker 5: years after I knew and you know, after I knew

2054
01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:12,000
Speaker 5: don for years, I can never really remember her name,

2055
01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:16,640
Speaker 5: but I call her fishnets, you know, so you know,

2056
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:19,960
Speaker 5: but that was the process. You know. De Lisa was

2057
01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:23,320
Speaker 5: from Nashville. So when we went to Nashville, did the

2058
01:51:23,560 --> 01:51:24,719
Speaker 5: did the audis and there.

2059
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:29,040
Speaker 3: So this this was nationwide's nationwide Yeah, oh wow, okay,

2060
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:32,400
Speaker 3: Georganashville all all over the place.

2061
01:51:32,479 --> 01:51:33,439
Speaker 5: We're all over the place.

2062
01:51:33,960 --> 01:51:36,439
Speaker 3: By the way, did did Mickey ever share any of

2063
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:38,920
Speaker 3: that basketball Charlie Murphy story with you at all?

2064
01:51:39,560 --> 01:51:43,120
Speaker 5: The day after he said, he told you after the

2065
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:46,160
Speaker 5: day after it happened. Man, That's why when people called me,

2066
01:51:46,280 --> 01:51:49,519
Speaker 5: when people called me after Dave Chappelle did it, and

2067
01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:52,680
Speaker 5: years later when people called me and told me, man,

2068
01:51:52,760 --> 01:51:57,040
Speaker 5: you see that skit, the Charlie Murphy Hollywood stories and

2069
01:51:57,479 --> 01:51:58,840
Speaker 5: on Dave Chapelle. They did a thing.

2070
01:51:58,920 --> 01:52:01,080
Speaker 11: They talked about Mickey going up and going up to

2071
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:03,880
Speaker 11: Princess House. I said, Man, Mickey called me the day

2072
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:06,519
Speaker 11: after they the day after they did that, and so

2073
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:09,640
Speaker 11: were up at We were up at Shortcats House man

2074
01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:13,040
Speaker 11: last night, and and Eddie Murphy and Charlie Murphy. Everybody

2075
01:52:13,120 --> 01:52:15,840
Speaker 11: came up and played basketball, he said. Prince Prince went

2076
01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:22,920
Speaker 11: out there in his heels and was dunking. He said, Man,

2077
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:25,160
Speaker 11: anybody wants some pancakes?

2078
01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:29,880
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, he called me.

2079
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:32,439
Speaker 5: He called me the day after a day after that

2080
01:52:32,520 --> 01:52:32,960
Speaker 5: went down.

2081
01:52:34,040 --> 01:52:36,640
Speaker 3: Wait, can I get this fronte because I'm gonna forget this.

2082
01:52:38,120 --> 01:52:43,439
Speaker 3: Also on the Look, you worked with the legendary David

2083
01:52:43,560 --> 01:52:46,000
Speaker 3: Hawk Wazinski formerly of Rufus.

2084
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:46,960
Speaker 5: Yes.

2085
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:50,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, could you talk to like that? That's a cat

2086
01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:53,000
Speaker 3: I definitely want to interview as well. Liked you talk

2087
01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:55,760
Speaker 3: about the process of songwriting with him and working with him.

2088
01:52:56,160 --> 01:53:00,320
Speaker 5: It was wild Hawk was wild. His studio. It was

2089
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:02,920
Speaker 5: called it was up in the Hills, off of a

2090
01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:06,120
Speaker 5: law off, the off, the one on off, the one

2091
01:53:06,200 --> 01:53:09,759
Speaker 5: on one. Uh, Laurel wasn't law can I can't remember?

2092
01:53:10,200 --> 01:53:10,479
Speaker 2: Okay?

2093
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:12,880
Speaker 5: It was up in the Hills and the name of

2094
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:15,760
Speaker 5: the studio was called Food in the Hill.

2095
01:53:16,160 --> 01:53:18,520
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Called fool Hill, Okay.

2096
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:21,200
Speaker 5: Pool in the Hills Studios.

2097
01:53:21,320 --> 01:53:25,439
Speaker 2: So it was like me him, Mickey, we had it.

2098
01:53:25,720 --> 01:53:29,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was just the whole writing process and would

2099
01:53:29,400 --> 01:53:31,280
Speaker 5: get serious then all of a sudden it would just

2100
01:53:31,400 --> 01:53:33,800
Speaker 5: go off to change somewhere else and we were just

2101
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:35,920
Speaker 5: you know, we were just up there. We had we had,

2102
01:53:36,120 --> 01:53:39,920
Speaker 5: you know, interesting situation visitors up there in and out and.

2103
01:53:44,520 --> 01:53:45,679
Speaker 2: I as see what you're going.

2104
01:53:48,240 --> 01:53:50,880
Speaker 5: And so like, you know, but it was but but

2105
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:53,920
Speaker 5: the creative situation of it when we would be on

2106
01:53:54,439 --> 01:53:57,760
Speaker 5: track was amazing. It was amazing. We got a lot

2107
01:53:57,840 --> 01:54:02,000
Speaker 5: of work done, a lot of creative looking at we did.

2108
01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:04,519
Speaker 5: One of the songs we did was called my Girl loves.

2109
01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:09,120
Speaker 2: My Girl loves Me. That's my ship, you know, yeah, yeah,

2110
01:54:15,080 --> 01:54:15,280
Speaker 2: I know.

2111
01:54:15,400 --> 01:54:18,360
Speaker 3: Probably to you like this was like all right, I'm

2112
01:54:18,439 --> 01:54:21,200
Speaker 3: just gonna do this bid and then get out here

2113
01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:26,280
Speaker 3: and do my solo Jowin. But you know, for a whatever,

2114
01:54:26,439 --> 01:54:29,360
Speaker 3: a past the time record, at least in your words,

2115
01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:34,920
Speaker 3: like I the the Heartbreak record was actually kind of dope,

2116
01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:39,360
Speaker 3: and I do I do want to know the story. Okay,

2117
01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:42,120
Speaker 3: so I know the history of Dean Pittsford because I

2118
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:45,200
Speaker 3: went to perform An arts high school. So Dean Pittsford,

2119
01:54:45,240 --> 01:54:48,440
Speaker 3: of course you know he's he's he's a fellow e

2120
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:53,320
Speaker 3: gotter Bill. You should know this person. He wrote, I

2121
01:54:53,400 --> 01:54:55,760
Speaker 3: mean from Godspell, the Fame. He wrote like a lot

2122
01:54:55,800 --> 01:54:58,120
Speaker 3: of Broadway stuff. He won Matt Grammys and a Tony

2123
01:54:58,200 --> 01:55:01,000
Speaker 3: and Emmy. I know that him and Bill Wolford wrote

2124
01:55:01,200 --> 01:55:04,440
Speaker 3: uh about to say footloose? Well, they wrote that too.

2125
01:55:05,160 --> 01:55:08,240
Speaker 3: They wrote dancing in the sheets, sheets like.

2126
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:13,000
Speaker 8: The streets to a child here, excuse me, mister Hewett.

2127
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:14,720
Speaker 6: And I know I called you Howard the whole time.

2128
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:17,880
Speaker 8: But a young child who hears that song you sang

2129
01:55:17,960 --> 01:55:19,800
Speaker 8: the first time you heard somebody said it was dancing

2130
01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:21,480
Speaker 8: in the I mean they're.

2131
01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:23,480
Speaker 2: Talking about getting it on and they talking about the sheets.

2132
01:55:23,600 --> 01:55:25,480
Speaker 6: Kids don't even hear that part. You just hear them.

2133
01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:27,960
Speaker 2: I was a kid and I heard that your friends.

2134
01:55:28,240 --> 01:55:32,600
Speaker 2: You know, Yes, I now grab your coat when we're

2135
01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:34,320
Speaker 2: going home, That's what he says.

2136
01:55:34,880 --> 01:55:37,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm enlightened. As of today, I am enlightened.

2137
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:40,800
Speaker 2: Yes, she thought I was dancing in the streets. But wait,

2138
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:41,400
Speaker 2: can I can.

2139
01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:44,040
Speaker 3: I just ask though, yes, the song was a bona

2140
01:55:44,120 --> 01:55:47,080
Speaker 3: fide hit, but did anyone ever raise the question that

2141
01:55:47,160 --> 01:55:49,720
Speaker 3: it might be a tad bit derivative of nineteen ninety

2142
01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:50,280
Speaker 3: nine at all?

2143
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:53,560
Speaker 5: Well, you know, the thing, the whole the way that

2144
01:55:53,680 --> 01:55:57,120
Speaker 5: whole thing came about was at the time, like I said,

2145
01:55:57,120 --> 01:55:58,960
Speaker 5: it was just me. I don't even think I had

2146
01:55:59,120 --> 01:56:02,080
Speaker 5: Mickey in the group the time. It was just it

2147
01:56:02,240 --> 01:56:06,640
Speaker 5: was just me and and Dean Pittford called and wanted

2148
01:56:06,720 --> 01:56:09,160
Speaker 5: me and Leon to come to the to the Paramount

2149
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:13,320
Speaker 5: Studios and listen and look at this movie that he

2150
01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:16,520
Speaker 5: had and he had temporary music in it, you know,

2151
01:56:16,760 --> 01:56:20,040
Speaker 5: just stuff. And then when it came to the park

2152
01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:24,000
Speaker 5: where he had written you know, for dancing and sheets,

2153
01:56:24,040 --> 01:56:26,760
Speaker 5: he said, this is where I want, you know, shalamar

2154
01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:30,000
Speaker 5: thing to be. And so, like you know, we watched

2155
01:56:30,040 --> 01:56:32,960
Speaker 5: a movie, we talked, got blah blah blahlah, and Leon

2156
01:56:33,080 --> 01:56:35,400
Speaker 5: and Leone and I are walking back to the UH

2157
01:56:36,040 --> 01:56:39,640
Speaker 5: to the the parking lot and I said, well, what

2158
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:42,520
Speaker 5: do you think you know? He said, well, I got

2159
01:56:42,600 --> 01:56:44,480
Speaker 5: a whole lot on my plate. I don't think that's

2160
01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:46,400
Speaker 5: gonna be a big movie, you know what, I'm saying

2161
01:56:46,480 --> 01:56:49,880
Speaker 5: it's it's like and I got I got a whole

2162
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:52,440
Speaker 5: lot on my plate. I don't really, I'm not I'm

2163
01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:54,240
Speaker 5: not really gonna have time to do it. He said,

2164
01:56:54,240 --> 01:56:56,920
Speaker 5: well what do you think? I said, well, I don't

2165
01:56:56,920 --> 01:56:58,880
Speaker 5: think it's gonna be a big movie either, you know,

2166
01:56:59,240 --> 01:57:06,640
Speaker 5: but god, I ain't gonna throw Leon under the bus

2167
01:57:06,840 --> 01:57:08,800
Speaker 5: like that. It was me too, I said, I don't

2168
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:10,160
Speaker 5: think it's going to be a big movie.

2169
01:57:10,520 --> 01:57:13,000
Speaker 3: You saw Footloose and you were just like, man, whatever,

2170
01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:15,480
Speaker 3: you know, okay, you.

2171
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:17,760
Speaker 5: Know, because because it was it was just you know,

2172
01:57:17,880 --> 01:57:21,040
Speaker 5: this guy, this cat teaching white folks how to dance

2173
01:57:21,120 --> 01:57:24,760
Speaker 5: and all that. You know, It's like, you know, it's like, hey,

2174
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:26,680
Speaker 5: you know, I don't think it's going to be that

2175
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:29,800
Speaker 5: big of a movie. But I said, but being with

2176
01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:32,800
Speaker 5: the position that the group, which I was gonna have

2177
01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:35,720
Speaker 5: to keep on at that time, I knew Dick Griffy

2178
01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:38,720
Speaker 5: wasn't gonna allow me to get out of my contract,

2179
01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:41,560
Speaker 5: so I had to keep on with the group. I said,

2180
01:57:41,640 --> 01:57:45,440
Speaker 5: but given the position that the group is in at

2181
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:47,800
Speaker 5: this time, I said, I think it would be a

2182
01:57:47,960 --> 01:57:50,320
Speaker 5: good even though I don't think it's gonna be a

2183
01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:53,520
Speaker 5: I don't think it's a great movie. They're gonna put

2184
01:57:53,560 --> 01:57:54,440
Speaker 5: a push behind it.

2185
01:57:54,560 --> 01:57:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, good look, it'll be a good look promotional thing.

2186
01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:00,200
Speaker 5: So it would be you know, why not do it?

2187
01:58:00,280 --> 01:58:01,840
Speaker 5: I'll do it. I put it, you know, do the

2188
01:58:02,040 --> 01:58:04,680
Speaker 5: do the song, put it in there, shallow my name

2189
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:08,280
Speaker 5: lives hoever, you know what I'm saying. So I know,

2190
01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:15,000
Speaker 5: I had to go to Solar, to the legal department

2191
01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:18,600
Speaker 5: in Solar when somebody called me one morning and then

2192
01:58:18,760 --> 01:58:21,560
Speaker 5: the soundtrack had been out there and it is sold.

2193
01:58:21,600 --> 01:58:25,200
Speaker 5: Because at that time, soundtracks weren't really big. People really

2194
01:58:25,280 --> 01:58:28,600
Speaker 5: didn't look at soundtracks, you know, and that was like

2195
01:58:28,720 --> 01:58:31,880
Speaker 5: the first the first bid of the first one of

2196
01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:34,800
Speaker 5: the first big soundtracks out there. But I had to

2197
01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:37,320
Speaker 5: go to Solar and say because somebody called me that

2198
01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:42,320
Speaker 5: particular morning said, uh, you've been checking out the Footloose

2199
01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:46,160
Speaker 5: soundtrack and said now, I was, hey, man, they sold

2200
01:58:46,200 --> 01:58:49,600
Speaker 5: platinum already. I said, what there, you know? And so

2201
01:58:49,720 --> 01:58:52,160
Speaker 5: I go I go to and talk to Virgil Roberts

2202
01:58:52,240 --> 01:58:55,200
Speaker 5: at the at the record company. I went down to

2203
01:58:55,240 --> 01:58:57,800
Speaker 5: the record company. I said, man, Vergil, you've been checking

2204
01:58:57,840 --> 01:59:03,720
Speaker 5: the Dancing the Footloose soundtrack. Virgil goes in yeah, you

2205
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:06,880
Speaker 5: know about how these these things really don't don't sell

2206
01:59:06,920 --> 01:59:07,200
Speaker 5: a lot.

2207
01:59:07,400 --> 01:59:09,120
Speaker 2: You know, it's not a sound.

2208
01:59:11,240 --> 01:59:14,760
Speaker 5: And that said I said, dude, it's platinum. Somebody told

2209
01:59:14,800 --> 01:59:17,280
Speaker 5: me it'slat Yeah, there's no way, no way, platinum. And

2210
01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:20,800
Speaker 5: then that's it took off from there. Man, it's crazy.

2211
01:59:21,320 --> 01:59:23,400
Speaker 3: But I was about to say, you guys, double dip,

2212
01:59:23,640 --> 01:59:29,200
Speaker 3: because isn't the only Grammy for Shallamar also for your

2213
01:59:29,280 --> 01:59:33,200
Speaker 3: participation on the Beverly Hills cop so yeah, for don't

2214
01:59:33,240 --> 01:59:34,400
Speaker 3: get Stopped in Beverly Hills.

2215
01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:37,200
Speaker 2: So it was almost like eighty four was the year.

2216
01:59:37,240 --> 01:59:43,800
Speaker 5: Of Yeah that was Hawk with Linsky. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2217
01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:47,280
Speaker 5: double dip. That's that's that's right. We didn't I don't.

2218
01:59:47,360 --> 01:59:49,520
Speaker 5: I don't think we know. We didn't win anything for.

2219
01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:56,240
Speaker 3: Well that well, the soundtrack one a Grammy, So I

2220
01:59:56,600 --> 01:59:58,800
Speaker 3: assume that someone gets that.

2221
01:59:58,960 --> 02:00:01,800
Speaker 2: Uh, you know that sort of thing.

2222
02:00:02,760 --> 02:00:04,400
Speaker 7: I was gonna I was gonna ask you out man,

2223
02:00:05,040 --> 02:00:07,360
Speaker 7: what can you tell us about your marriage to near

2224
02:00:07,440 --> 02:00:09,880
Speaker 7: people's I used to always watch the Party Machine when

2225
02:00:09,880 --> 02:00:10,320
Speaker 7: I was a kid.

2226
02:00:10,640 --> 02:00:11,880
Speaker 2: Jesus I got.

2227
02:00:12,840 --> 02:00:15,800
Speaker 6: First, like so I felt like a little celebrity couple.

2228
02:00:16,040 --> 02:00:17,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, the original jame b.

2229
02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:20,879
Speaker 5: I gotta say.

2230
02:00:23,480 --> 02:00:26,840
Speaker 2: Kay, no, no, no, no, no, never mind, keep going.

2231
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:30,880
Speaker 2: That's a good story, right there was.

2232
02:00:32,600 --> 02:00:35,280
Speaker 5: There was a cat. There was a cat Jerome Gasper,

2233
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:37,720
Speaker 5: who was an r cat for PolyGram. I think at

2234
02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:39,840
Speaker 5: the time it's a good friend of mine and so

2235
02:00:40,880 --> 02:00:44,000
Speaker 5: and maybe prefaced it. Also. I had a I had

2236
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:47,000
Speaker 5: a condo and Handcock Parker that at that time, and

2237
02:00:47,080 --> 02:00:49,120
Speaker 5: I had this in my bedroom. I had this big

2238
02:00:49,320 --> 02:00:53,280
Speaker 5: you know, remember the rear projections, big screen TVs. I

2239
02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:56,560
Speaker 5: had a big rear projections, big screen TV at the

2240
02:00:56,600 --> 02:01:00,240
Speaker 5: bottom of my bed. And uh, every morning I wake up,

2241
02:01:00,520 --> 02:01:03,520
Speaker 5: you know, turn on the TV, flip through the channels,

2242
02:01:03,960 --> 02:01:08,040
Speaker 5: get the channel eleven or nine or whatever, and I

2243
02:01:08,160 --> 02:01:10,520
Speaker 5: see Fame was on, you know, you know what I'm saying.

2244
02:01:11,000 --> 02:01:13,920
Speaker 5: And there I said, man, there's this fine woman that

2245
02:01:14,160 --> 02:01:20,080
Speaker 5: comes on Fame. You know, I never I never waited

2246
02:01:20,280 --> 02:01:22,160
Speaker 5: for the credits or anything. I just wanted to look

2247
02:01:22,200 --> 02:01:24,640
Speaker 5: at her, you know what I'm saying. And then I

2248
02:01:25,240 --> 02:01:27,480
Speaker 5: keep it on Fame on the channel where Fame was

2249
02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:30,480
Speaker 5: for about you know, ten fifteen minutes. If she didn't

2250
02:01:30,560 --> 02:01:32,760
Speaker 5: come on the screen, I'd start flipping through the channel.

2251
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:38,320
Speaker 5: But I'm sitting there. Yeah, fine, you know what I'm saying.

2252
02:01:38,400 --> 02:01:42,720
Speaker 5: So this guy's er own Gaspar called me and uh

2253
02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:45,400
Speaker 5: he said, he talked. I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2254
02:01:45,440 --> 02:01:47,440
Speaker 5: yeah yeah yeah. Howard Howard, Howard Howard.

2255
02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:47,920
Speaker 2: You know.

2256
02:01:48,040 --> 02:01:50,040
Speaker 5: He said, man, we just we just signed the girl

2257
02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:52,839
Speaker 5: from fame, you know, to a contract or a PolyGram.

2258
02:01:53,120 --> 02:01:54,600
Speaker 5: I want you to do a few songs on her.

2259
02:01:54,600 --> 02:01:56,440
Speaker 5: I wanted to a couple of two, three songs on her.

2260
02:01:56,800 --> 02:01:59,560
Speaker 5: I said, well, whi's the girl there's near people's. I said, well,

2261
02:01:59,600 --> 02:01:59,960
Speaker 5: which girl?

2262
02:02:01,760 --> 02:02:03,160
Speaker 2: You that?

2263
02:02:03,320 --> 02:02:08,120
Speaker 5: Same he said? He said, I sent you overnight a compilation,

2264
02:02:08,760 --> 02:02:12,640
Speaker 5: uh via a tape to you. And I said, okay, cool.

2265
02:02:12,760 --> 02:02:16,600
Speaker 5: Next morning the FedEx cons, they they get the tape.

2266
02:02:16,640 --> 02:02:19,120
Speaker 5: I put the tape in my VH just seeing and

2267
02:02:19,200 --> 02:02:21,880
Speaker 5: I said, ladies general near people And she comes walking

2268
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:24,960
Speaker 5: out on stage. I pushed cars and I called, I'm in.

2269
02:02:25,440 --> 02:02:30,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm on my way.

2270
02:02:32,400 --> 02:02:34,640
Speaker 5: Whatever you want me to do on there, you know.

2271
02:02:34,840 --> 02:02:36,840
Speaker 6: And soul Train was first.

2272
02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:38,560
Speaker 8: I said, I messed up that timeline in my kid

2273
02:02:38,640 --> 02:02:40,120
Speaker 8: here because I was like, oh, I thought soul Train

2274
02:02:40,240 --> 02:02:42,560
Speaker 8: was first. With soul Train was after the two of

2275
02:02:42,600 --> 02:02:43,200
Speaker 8: your hosts.

2276
02:02:43,200 --> 02:02:45,920
Speaker 2: And she was never on soul Train. He was never

2277
02:02:46,400 --> 02:02:47,640
Speaker 2: she was on Party Machine.

2278
02:02:50,520 --> 02:02:55,600
Speaker 3: Sorry but to our long but to our younger gen

2279
02:02:55,720 --> 02:02:58,680
Speaker 3: Z listeners, she's all she's the hot mom on Pretty

2280
02:02:58,720 --> 02:02:59,360
Speaker 3: Little Liars.

2281
02:02:59,560 --> 02:03:04,200
Speaker 2: So that's what that's what everyone knows her as, like, Yes.

2282
02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:11,200
Speaker 5: We worked on we worked on the album and really

2283
02:03:11,240 --> 02:03:14,240
Speaker 5: got you know, got got really close. So she's she's

2284
02:03:14,240 --> 02:03:16,800
Speaker 5: a good ladies, she's a good woman. We have our son.

2285
02:03:16,920 --> 02:03:19,960
Speaker 5: We have Christopher is uh our son, you know, and

2286
02:03:21,040 --> 02:03:24,280
Speaker 5: it's amazing. We just we just had lunch about two

2287
02:03:24,320 --> 02:03:27,360
Speaker 5: weeks or so ago, she and I, Christopher, her other

2288
02:03:27,440 --> 02:03:30,200
Speaker 5: daughter and stuff. It's like this, it's very cool. It's

2289
02:03:30,280 --> 02:03:30,640
Speaker 5: very cool.

2290
02:03:31,840 --> 02:03:34,680
Speaker 6: First response and be like, let's we just had lunch.

2291
02:03:38,840 --> 02:03:41,800
Speaker 3: No wait, I gotta say though, Damn, I didn't wait

2292
02:03:41,880 --> 02:03:46,240
Speaker 3: because I know we got to end this episode eventually sometime, however,

2293
02:03:46,880 --> 02:03:47,240
Speaker 3: I will.

2294
02:03:47,560 --> 02:03:49,520
Speaker 2: I got this. What is okay?

2295
02:03:49,640 --> 02:03:52,280
Speaker 3: This is always what I always wanted to know when

2296
02:03:52,680 --> 02:03:59,240
Speaker 3: an artist does their signature, like when they do the

2297
02:03:59,360 --> 02:04:01,360
Speaker 3: Token Gods song on their record.

2298
02:04:02,280 --> 02:04:02,600
Speaker 6: I E.

2299
02:04:04,760 --> 02:04:08,360
Speaker 2: Love that sort of thing. Where is are you at

2300
02:04:08,400 --> 02:04:09,280
Speaker 2: a place in your life?

2301
02:04:09,320 --> 02:04:12,240
Speaker 3: What it's sort of like because we we didn't even

2302
02:04:12,280 --> 02:04:16,000
Speaker 3: get into the personal comings and going through life in

2303
02:04:16,080 --> 02:04:19,520
Speaker 3: the turmoil whatever, like we're just on the creative and

2304
02:04:19,600 --> 02:04:23,600
Speaker 3: the things. But at that point, the fact the fact

2305
02:04:23,640 --> 02:04:26,360
Speaker 3: that say Men became such a signature song for you,

2306
02:04:27,000 --> 02:04:28,920
Speaker 3: m h, Like, where were.

2307
02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:31,320
Speaker 2: You in your life that that song.

2308
02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:36,520
Speaker 3: Made made its appearance and the way that you delivered it,

2309
02:04:36,640 --> 02:04:38,960
Speaker 3: like we really believed it. So were you at a

2310
02:04:39,080 --> 02:04:43,160
Speaker 3: transitional phase in your life where that song came right

2311
02:04:43,240 --> 02:04:43,600
Speaker 3: in time?

2312
02:04:44,520 --> 02:04:48,280
Speaker 5: Okay? So before I left the group, before I left

2313
02:04:48,320 --> 02:04:51,400
Speaker 5: Salomar at the time, like two or three years, two

2314
02:04:51,480 --> 02:04:54,720
Speaker 5: or three years before I left Salomar, I always had

2315
02:04:55,000 --> 02:04:57,840
Speaker 5: the situation I wanted to do a solo album. So

2316
02:04:58,240 --> 02:05:02,080
Speaker 5: I remember praying, seriously, pray prayer. I said, Lord, when

2317
02:05:02,080 --> 02:05:04,920
Speaker 5: I'm by myself, when I'm solo, when I'm when I'm

2318
02:05:05,000 --> 02:05:08,320
Speaker 5: responsible for what I say, I said, I promised that

2319
02:05:08,480 --> 02:05:12,000
Speaker 5: I will honor you on every solo project that I do,

2320
02:05:12,640 --> 02:05:15,680
Speaker 5: you know, and and I have. So say Man was

2321
02:05:15,760 --> 02:05:18,720
Speaker 5: the first, was on the Ey Committal Love album was

2322
02:05:18,720 --> 02:05:21,880
Speaker 5: the first solo and then on and on. But when

2323
02:05:21,920 --> 02:05:26,760
Speaker 5: I finally rolled my contract out, I had a lecture,

2324
02:05:27,240 --> 02:05:29,920
Speaker 5: you know, if you know the term electure, had first

2325
02:05:30,040 --> 02:05:34,520
Speaker 5: rights or refusal on everything that came off of Solar Right,

2326
02:05:35,080 --> 02:05:37,320
Speaker 5: So I had to give them. I had to. I

2327
02:05:37,440 --> 02:05:40,680
Speaker 5: had to go through them before I could go anywhere else,

2328
02:05:40,840 --> 02:05:43,839
Speaker 5: you know, as far as my solo situation was concerned.

2329
02:05:43,880 --> 02:05:47,080
Speaker 5: So you know, at the time, e lecture was like

2330
02:05:47,200 --> 02:05:49,640
Speaker 5: cold as ice. They didn't they had. All they had

2331
02:05:49,720 --> 02:05:52,440
Speaker 5: over there was the eagles and and and that whole thing,

2332
02:05:52,480 --> 02:05:56,360
Speaker 5: and and and so. Like I told my attorney, I said, okay,

2333
02:05:56,440 --> 02:05:59,680
Speaker 5: so they have to have first rights or refusal, and

2334
02:05:59,760 --> 02:06:02,640
Speaker 5: they in other words, they have to you know, decline

2335
02:06:03,240 --> 02:06:05,720
Speaker 5: the deal that we bring to them. You know, you

2336
02:06:05,760 --> 02:06:08,360
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. So I said, if that's the case,

2337
02:06:08,680 --> 02:06:12,360
Speaker 5: why don't we just make this deal so ridiculous that

2338
02:06:13,400 --> 02:06:15,280
Speaker 5: they're gonna decline it.

2339
02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:17,600
Speaker 2: You did, so you.

2340
02:06:20,480 --> 02:06:23,040
Speaker 5: Put all kinds of stuff in there, bumps here.

2341
02:06:23,320 --> 02:06:23,480
Speaker 2: You know.

2342
02:06:23,800 --> 02:06:27,360
Speaker 5: The money was like unheard of for the first time

2343
02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:29,920
Speaker 5: solo arts, even though I had the success with Shalamar,

2344
02:06:30,080 --> 02:06:34,200
Speaker 5: was crazy. And we took it to him, Bob Krasnow,

2345
02:06:34,280 --> 02:06:35,280
Speaker 5: who was head of them.

2346
02:06:35,640 --> 02:06:40,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bob says, he calls your bluff.

2347
02:06:40,720 --> 02:06:42,760
Speaker 5: He says, okay, what else.

2348
02:06:45,400 --> 02:06:45,560
Speaker 8: You know?

2349
02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:49,560
Speaker 5: So so, like, you know, okay, they accepted it. So

2350
02:06:49,680 --> 02:06:52,360
Speaker 5: it was a great deal monetarily, and the company was

2351
02:06:52,400 --> 02:06:54,400
Speaker 5: a great turnout to be a company, a great company,

2352
02:06:54,440 --> 02:06:59,840
Speaker 5: but it was almost like I just describe a Solar

2353
02:07:00,480 --> 02:07:04,440
Speaker 5: Electra like a twelve cylinder car and you're only running

2354
02:07:04,480 --> 02:07:08,160
Speaker 5: on six cylinders, you know what I'm saying. And because

2355
02:07:08,200 --> 02:07:10,640
Speaker 5: they did their job, they did their situation as far

2356
02:07:10,720 --> 02:07:14,760
Speaker 5: as the urban R and B situations concerned, but the

2357
02:07:14,880 --> 02:07:17,280
Speaker 5: pop department over there never came to the party. So

2358
02:07:17,880 --> 02:07:19,680
Speaker 5: you know, it was like it was a whole thing.

2359
02:07:19,800 --> 02:07:23,720
Speaker 5: But getting back to when I first went to the thing,

2360
02:07:24,520 --> 02:07:27,400
Speaker 5: I had the new record company and I had a

2361
02:07:27,520 --> 02:07:31,480
Speaker 5: new management company. So this was in nineteen eighty five

2362
02:07:31,880 --> 02:07:34,520
Speaker 5: when I first left the group, and so I had

2363
02:07:34,560 --> 02:07:37,120
Speaker 5: a meeting with the new record company. I had a

2364
02:07:37,240 --> 02:07:40,360
Speaker 5: meeting with an RCAT and a new record company had

2365
02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:42,960
Speaker 5: a meeting and with the new management company that I

2366
02:07:43,040 --> 02:07:46,120
Speaker 5: had hired, and I went in. I was excited about

2367
02:07:46,160 --> 02:07:50,320
Speaker 5: doing my first solo project. Shook everybody's hand, and I

2368
02:07:50,440 --> 02:07:52,760
Speaker 5: sat down and I said, first of all, before we

2369
02:07:52,840 --> 02:07:56,840
Speaker 5: get started in this meeting, I said, I want to

2370
02:07:56,880 --> 02:07:58,760
Speaker 5: say I want to do a song to the Lord

2371
02:07:58,920 --> 02:07:59,600
Speaker 5: on this album.

2372
02:08:00,560 --> 02:08:02,440
Speaker 2: It was like, that's how you started the.

2373
02:08:02,440 --> 02:08:06,760
Speaker 5: Meeting, That's how I started the meeting, Okay, And so

2374
02:08:07,400 --> 02:08:08,840
Speaker 5: I want to do a song to the Lord on

2375
02:08:08,960 --> 02:08:12,560
Speaker 5: this and like it's like you can hear crickets in there.

2376
02:08:12,720 --> 02:08:15,160
Speaker 5: This is eighty five. This I don't know when Jesus

2377
02:08:15,240 --> 02:08:16,320
Speaker 5: Is Love came out, but.

2378
02:08:16,640 --> 02:08:19,400
Speaker 3: This, that was eighty But again it was a rare move,

2379
02:08:19,640 --> 02:08:24,120
Speaker 3: like open the door. You normalized it when you did it,

2380
02:08:24,320 --> 02:08:25,560
Speaker 3: then everyone started doing it.

2381
02:08:25,800 --> 02:08:28,880
Speaker 5: Or real but it wasn't. But at the time it

2382
02:08:29,040 --> 02:08:31,000
Speaker 5: was like, you know, I'm talking about putting you know,

2383
02:08:31,120 --> 02:08:34,800
Speaker 5: Denise would do a gospel album, then she come back

2384
02:08:34,840 --> 02:08:36,560
Speaker 5: and do an R and B album. I was talking

2385
02:08:36,600 --> 02:08:39,800
Speaker 5: about combining putting that on there. You know what I'm saying.

2386
02:08:39,880 --> 02:08:44,000
Speaker 5: And so like you know, this one cat starts talking, well,

2387
02:08:44,360 --> 02:08:46,760
Speaker 5: you know Howard, you don't we might get into we

2388
02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:49,160
Speaker 5: want to take your career in the sex symbol direction,

2389
02:08:49,400 --> 02:08:54,560
Speaker 5: might not be conducive to religious overtones, and this and

2390
02:08:54,640 --> 02:08:56,720
Speaker 5: that and that and this, and then my management companies,

2391
02:08:56,840 --> 02:08:58,720
Speaker 5: the cat from my management he started talking because I

2392
02:08:58,800 --> 02:09:01,680
Speaker 5: hadn't even talked to him about that yet, right, And

2393
02:09:01,840 --> 02:09:05,560
Speaker 5: so I'm sitting again, I said, I sat, I sat

2394
02:09:05,640 --> 02:09:08,080
Speaker 5: back and I listened. I listened what they were saying,

2395
02:09:08,480 --> 02:09:10,760
Speaker 5: and all the time in my head, I'm saying, okay, Lord,

2396
02:09:10,840 --> 02:09:13,400
Speaker 5: you know what am I supposed to do here?

2397
02:09:13,560 --> 02:09:14,280
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

2398
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:17,800
Speaker 5: And so when they got done talking, I said, you

2399
02:09:17,880 --> 02:09:22,360
Speaker 5: know what, I hear you, and I understand you, and

2400
02:09:22,480 --> 02:09:25,040
Speaker 5: I can I can dig where you're coming from. I said,

2401
02:09:25,080 --> 02:09:27,800
Speaker 5: but maybe because because in my mind too, man, is

2402
02:09:27,880 --> 02:09:30,880
Speaker 5: that these people got to promote my record. I don't

2403
02:09:30,920 --> 02:09:33,200
Speaker 5: want to get anybody, you.

2404
02:09:33,240 --> 02:09:35,280
Speaker 2: Know, if you want to give them something that they're

2405
02:09:35,360 --> 02:09:36,600
Speaker 2: enthusiastic about as well.

2406
02:09:36,680 --> 02:09:39,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, sour about promoting the record and stuff. But I

2407
02:09:40,320 --> 02:09:43,280
Speaker 5: had to stand, you know, I had to stand for

2408
02:09:43,400 --> 02:09:46,800
Speaker 5: what I had promised. And when I said, I said, look,

2409
02:09:47,360 --> 02:09:49,440
Speaker 5: I said, I understand it. I hear where you're coming from.

2410
02:09:49,520 --> 02:09:51,880
Speaker 5: This nineteen eighty five, I said, But let me just

2411
02:09:52,040 --> 02:09:55,440
Speaker 5: let me let me go back and let me rephrase

2412
02:09:55,640 --> 02:09:59,720
Speaker 5: what I said. I said, let me say that I'm

2413
02:09:59,800 --> 02:10:01,160
Speaker 5: going wanting to do a song.

2414
02:10:04,200 --> 02:10:06,040
Speaker 2: Ask him, and asked, like.

2415
02:10:06,120 --> 02:10:07,920
Speaker 5: I'm going to do a song to the Lord on

2416
02:10:08,040 --> 02:10:13,200
Speaker 5: this album. Hit My promise to him sits up here

2417
02:10:13,400 --> 02:10:16,840
Speaker 5: as far as like my priorities and if it's like

2418
02:10:17,040 --> 02:10:19,920
Speaker 5: you know, and and I'm going to do a song

2419
02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:22,080
Speaker 5: to the Lord on this album. So I said, we

2420
02:10:22,160 --> 02:10:24,160
Speaker 5: can talk about everything else now, you know. So we

2421
02:10:24,280 --> 02:10:26,960
Speaker 5: talked about everything else, and then then you know, we

2422
02:10:27,080 --> 02:10:32,080
Speaker 5: went away once once Monte Seward, who's co writer on

2423
02:10:32,240 --> 02:10:35,280
Speaker 5: that on that on Same Men. When we put it,

2424
02:10:35,400 --> 02:10:38,520
Speaker 5: when we put it together, man, it was like it

2425
02:10:38,640 --> 02:10:42,560
Speaker 5: was great. But I will say that it was nineteen

2426
02:10:42,600 --> 02:10:47,080
Speaker 5: eighty five around that time or so, and then I

2427
02:10:48,520 --> 02:10:51,160
Speaker 5: I was dating as a girl in Miami. Litt was.

2428
02:10:51,480 --> 02:10:55,720
Speaker 5: Her family was in Miami. So I remember we were

2429
02:10:55,760 --> 02:10:58,400
Speaker 5: going to spend Thanksgiving there with her family. She had

2430
02:10:58,440 --> 02:11:00,920
Speaker 5: moved to la and we were going to send spend Thanksgiving.

2431
02:11:01,040 --> 02:11:03,400
Speaker 5: So I was in the in the studio, you know,

2432
02:11:03,800 --> 02:11:05,880
Speaker 5: the whole day, and she had already flown down there,

2433
02:11:06,280 --> 02:11:08,480
Speaker 5: and I was gonna get on the Red Eye and

2434
02:11:08,600 --> 02:11:11,480
Speaker 5: meet her there, right. So I get on a plane

2435
02:11:12,240 --> 02:11:16,160
Speaker 5: and Monty and I had come up with the track,

2436
02:11:16,360 --> 02:11:20,200
Speaker 5: like a real rough track for SA Men, and I

2437
02:11:20,280 --> 02:11:23,000
Speaker 5: knew that's what I wanted to be, you know, the

2438
02:11:23,320 --> 02:11:27,160
Speaker 5: inspirational song. So I jump on the red Eye going

2439
02:11:27,240 --> 02:11:29,680
Speaker 5: to Miami and I get on the plane, I put

2440
02:11:29,720 --> 02:11:32,560
Speaker 5: my headphones on, I put the cassette in. It was

2441
02:11:32,680 --> 02:11:35,080
Speaker 5: on the cassette, you know, and so I was listening

2442
02:11:35,120 --> 02:11:37,040
Speaker 5: to about three or four songs that I still had

2443
02:11:37,080 --> 02:11:40,040
Speaker 5: to write melodies and lyrics to. And at the end

2444
02:11:40,120 --> 02:11:43,200
Speaker 5: of that cassette was a was like a real rough

2445
02:11:43,440 --> 02:11:46,440
Speaker 5: track of say Men, I mean one of the and

2446
02:11:46,520 --> 02:11:48,440
Speaker 5: it didn't even go all the way through it just

2447
02:11:48,600 --> 02:11:50,600
Speaker 5: you know, it's just a real rough track of Samen.

2448
02:11:51,480 --> 02:11:56,440
Speaker 5: And when it came on, all these lyrics started coming

2449
02:11:56,480 --> 02:11:59,040
Speaker 5: to me, and it's like, you know, it's time to

2450
02:11:59,080 --> 02:12:02,440
Speaker 5: say goodbye from now. You know, we'll have our second

2451
02:12:02,480 --> 02:12:05,040
Speaker 5: time around, second time around. You know we'll have our

2452
02:12:05,120 --> 02:12:07,920
Speaker 5: second time around. But before we go, there's something I

2453
02:12:08,000 --> 02:12:10,160
Speaker 5: got to say. Everything's not what it seems. There's a

2454
02:12:10,560 --> 02:12:13,760
Speaker 5: stronger force behind the scene. He's in our lives every day.

2455
02:12:14,160 --> 02:12:15,920
Speaker 5: He's right there when we call and him it's where

2456
02:12:16,640 --> 02:12:18,360
Speaker 5: And I'm writing and I'm writing, and there was this

2457
02:12:18,520 --> 02:12:21,080
Speaker 5: lady sitting next to me. And then when I got

2458
02:12:21,160 --> 02:12:24,240
Speaker 5: to the second I got to the second verse where

2459
02:12:24,280 --> 02:12:27,480
Speaker 5: it says talks about cattle on a thousand hills. My

2460
02:12:27,600 --> 02:12:29,680
Speaker 5: mom used to always tell me when I was a kid,

2461
02:12:30,240 --> 02:12:33,440
Speaker 5: she says, you're the King's kid. You're the King's kid,

2462
02:12:33,960 --> 02:12:35,880
Speaker 5: you know, and the king and he had you know,

2463
02:12:36,080 --> 02:12:38,880
Speaker 5: your God's child. This is what she was saying. And

2464
02:12:39,000 --> 02:12:41,600
Speaker 5: there's and she would always tell them there's golden cattle

2465
02:12:41,640 --> 02:12:44,560
Speaker 5: on a thousand hills, and that's yours. You know, that's

2466
02:12:44,640 --> 02:12:47,440
Speaker 5: yours because you're you're the King's kid, that's ours. You know,

2467
02:12:47,520 --> 02:12:50,320
Speaker 5: we're children of the God's God. And so when I

2468
02:12:50,440 --> 02:12:52,880
Speaker 5: started writing now, I said, you know, I know there's

2469
02:12:52,880 --> 02:12:55,280
Speaker 5: someone who don't believe. Sometimes it's very hard to see

2470
02:12:55,520 --> 02:12:59,400
Speaker 5: living those life every day. Some things don't go away,

2471
02:12:59,680 --> 02:13:03,120
Speaker 5: but be without is not his will. There's cattle on

2472
02:13:03,240 --> 02:13:07,200
Speaker 5: a thousand hills. Man, it hit me. I'm like writing

2473
02:13:07,240 --> 02:13:08,640
Speaker 5: it's cattle on a thousand hells.

2474
02:13:08,680 --> 02:13:09,680
Speaker 2: There it hit me.

2475
02:13:09,760 --> 02:13:13,240
Speaker 5: There, tears started coming down, and this lady sitting next

2476
02:13:13,280 --> 02:13:19,880
Speaker 5: to me, like, what the hell is happening? Oh, you know,

2477
02:13:20,320 --> 02:13:22,320
Speaker 5: can I can I move my seat or something like that.

2478
02:13:22,760 --> 02:13:27,000
Speaker 5: But by the time by time it touched down in

2479
02:13:27,280 --> 02:13:31,880
Speaker 5: h at Miami International Lyrically, the song was totally done.

2480
02:13:32,120 --> 02:13:33,840
Speaker 8: It's crazy because you know, most people when they hear

2481
02:13:33,920 --> 02:13:35,880
Speaker 8: that song, no matter how many times they hear that song,

2482
02:13:36,040 --> 02:13:38,560
Speaker 8: they feel the same way you felt when you wrote it.

2483
02:13:38,720 --> 02:13:40,960
Speaker 6: Like it's one of those songs where it just catch

2484
02:13:41,000 --> 02:13:42,120
Speaker 6: you no matter where you are, Like.

2485
02:13:43,360 --> 02:13:45,680
Speaker 5: It's an ultimate It's an ultimate craze song.

2486
02:13:46,240 --> 02:13:48,280
Speaker 6: How they go to a single. They didn't even want

2487
02:13:48,320 --> 02:13:49,040
Speaker 6: the gospel song.

2488
02:13:49,120 --> 02:13:52,040
Speaker 3: And then it became a single because they playing they

2489
02:13:52,080 --> 02:13:54,240
Speaker 3: were playing the album cut on black radio, right, they

2490
02:13:54,280 --> 02:13:54,720
Speaker 3: had to make.

2491
02:13:54,680 --> 02:13:56,200
Speaker 6: So that Black radio made it a single.

2492
02:13:56,560 --> 02:13:58,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, they played it. I mean, you know, Donnie Simpson

2493
02:13:59,040 --> 02:14:03,760
Speaker 5: ended in show, so he ended with a whole bunch

2494
02:14:03,840 --> 02:14:08,360
Speaker 5: of black radio uh shows across the across the country,

2495
02:14:09,000 --> 02:14:11,320
Speaker 5: you know, uh ended it with it. And and then

2496
02:14:11,400 --> 02:14:16,680
Speaker 5: I did it at one of Black Black Radio Exclusive

2497
02:14:16,720 --> 02:14:20,040
Speaker 5: b r E. Remember I was sitting Miller's things. I

2498
02:14:20,160 --> 02:14:23,920
Speaker 5: closed up the closed up the whole uh uh convention

2499
02:14:24,120 --> 02:14:24,680
Speaker 5: with that song.

2500
02:14:24,760 --> 02:14:28,120
Speaker 7: And so I remember from from like you did it

2501
02:14:28,160 --> 02:14:31,880
Speaker 7: also on the Robert Townsend part of the Grime Robert Towns.

2502
02:14:32,880 --> 02:14:35,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, when Robert, when Robert got in touch with me,

2503
02:14:35,120 --> 02:14:37,640
Speaker 5: that's because I'm still my boy. We we you know,

2504
02:14:37,760 --> 02:14:42,000
Speaker 5: we're really good friends still now. But like when he

2505
02:14:42,160 --> 02:14:44,640
Speaker 5: approached me about it, he called it and called and

2506
02:14:44,760 --> 02:14:46,600
Speaker 5: asked and asked for a meeting. So I went over

2507
02:14:46,680 --> 02:14:49,560
Speaker 5: to where he was doing some stuff and went into

2508
02:14:49,640 --> 02:14:51,640
Speaker 5: the office and stuff, and he says, man, you know,

2509
02:14:51,680 --> 02:14:55,160
Speaker 5: I'm getting ready to do my my uh my Partners

2510
02:14:55,240 --> 02:14:58,360
Speaker 5: the Crime, my you know, HBO special, and he said,

2511
02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:00,920
Speaker 5: I would love for you to do you say amen?

2512
02:15:01,160 --> 02:15:03,600
Speaker 5: I said, oh man, that's what's up. Okay, that's cool.

2513
02:15:04,080 --> 02:15:07,160
Speaker 5: I love to be honest. And then he says, I

2514
02:15:07,320 --> 02:15:15,680
Speaker 5: want to sing it with you. Oh like and my mind,

2515
02:15:15,760 --> 02:15:18,120
Speaker 5: you know, do you sing? I mean, I don't know

2516
02:15:18,160 --> 02:15:22,000
Speaker 5: if you and I guess because I don't, you know,

2517
02:15:22,200 --> 02:15:24,400
Speaker 5: my face kind of tells all kind of stuff when

2518
02:15:24,400 --> 02:15:28,160
Speaker 5: I'm thinking. Sometimes unfortunate, but like, you know, he looked

2519
02:15:28,200 --> 02:15:30,320
Speaker 5: at me and he said, hey, man, you know, this

2520
02:15:30,560 --> 02:15:33,600
Speaker 5: is my first special, this is my first HIO special.

2521
02:15:33,720 --> 02:15:36,320
Speaker 5: And I couldn't find I couldn't think of any other

2522
02:15:36,440 --> 02:15:39,200
Speaker 5: way to thank God, you know, for this first special

2523
02:15:40,120 --> 02:15:42,920
Speaker 5: thing in this with you, and it came off so

2524
02:15:43,280 --> 02:15:48,000
Speaker 5: cool and and what was interesting about that was that

2525
02:15:49,040 --> 02:15:52,839
Speaker 5: at the time when the Partners in Crime uh special

2526
02:15:53,000 --> 02:15:58,360
Speaker 5: air I was my second solo album, had already been released.

2527
02:15:58,400 --> 02:16:01,200
Speaker 5: I commit to Love was in the bend second oh forever,

2528
02:16:01,280 --> 02:16:05,160
Speaker 5: and never was out. Yeah, I've already been released. But

2529
02:16:05,320 --> 02:16:09,280
Speaker 5: once that, once Partners in Crime aired across the country,

2530
02:16:09,680 --> 02:16:13,080
Speaker 5: you know, record stores had to reorder I Commit to

2531
02:16:13,120 --> 02:16:16,800
Speaker 5: Love because everybody flowed, you know, flooded in, you know,

2532
02:16:16,960 --> 02:16:19,120
Speaker 5: looking for say amen, you know.

2533
02:16:19,320 --> 02:16:21,040
Speaker 3: I was gonna say it was it was was this

2534
02:16:21,200 --> 02:16:23,440
Speaker 3: the this is pre Sylvia Rome. So this is like

2535
02:16:23,480 --> 02:16:28,640
Speaker 3: the Bob Maryland era of Electriob Merton. Bob Merland always

2536
02:16:28,640 --> 02:16:32,040
Speaker 3: called Marland. Was he there at the time or is

2537
02:16:32,120 --> 02:16:35,640
Speaker 3: it now? Well Rock President was ahead, but Merlin, Bob

2538
02:16:35,720 --> 02:16:37,080
Speaker 3: wasn't there at the time, was he or did he

2539
02:16:37,160 --> 02:16:38,520
Speaker 3: come in like eighty eight eighty nine?

2540
02:16:38,640 --> 02:16:40,400
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't, I don't remember him, but.

2541
02:16:40,480 --> 02:16:43,800
Speaker 2: That I didn't. I mean, but afterwards, did they of

2542
02:16:43,920 --> 02:16:47,840
Speaker 2: course acknowledge that? Okay? You was he was on point

2543
02:16:47,879 --> 02:16:48,080
Speaker 2: with this.

2544
02:16:48,920 --> 02:16:51,920
Speaker 5: Then, you know, because Bob and I had had had

2545
02:16:52,120 --> 02:16:56,360
Speaker 5: created a routine of like whenever I would start, whenever

2546
02:16:56,400 --> 02:16:58,760
Speaker 5: I get ready to start an album, I would I

2547
02:16:58,800 --> 02:17:00,400
Speaker 5: would call it. If I was in the New York,

2548
02:17:00,840 --> 02:17:02,800
Speaker 5: I go have a meeting with him. If I was

2549
02:17:02,879 --> 02:17:05,680
Speaker 5: here and here's in New York. We we talk on

2550
02:17:05,800 --> 02:17:08,560
Speaker 5: the phone and just talk about and talk about the direction,

2551
02:17:08,800 --> 02:17:10,600
Speaker 5: talk about what I want to do, blah blah blah

2552
02:17:10,600 --> 02:17:13,800
Speaker 5: blah blah. And at the end of every after say man,

2553
02:17:14,200 --> 02:17:16,920
Speaker 5: at the end of every conversation, Bob say, well, I

2554
02:17:17,640 --> 02:17:19,960
Speaker 5: know you're gonna do another one of those gods songs, right,

2555
02:17:24,840 --> 02:17:26,240
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do another guy song.

2556
02:17:26,320 --> 02:17:26,879
Speaker 2: It's gonna be.

2557
02:17:28,560 --> 02:17:32,920
Speaker 5: Because, of course, after the success and the popularity is say, man,

2558
02:17:33,040 --> 02:17:35,760
Speaker 5: of course it was. It was everybody's idea. Then you know,

2559
02:17:36,520 --> 02:17:37,320
Speaker 5: wait they.

2560
02:17:37,320 --> 02:17:38,120
Speaker 2: Took credit for it.

2561
02:17:38,680 --> 02:17:42,039
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah yeah, so wait before we wrap, I got one.

2562
02:17:42,520 --> 02:17:45,720
Speaker 2: Unless you had something I just wanted to say, man,

2563
02:17:47,400 --> 02:17:50,080
Speaker 2: show me, yes, thank you. I don't know.

2564
02:17:50,320 --> 02:17:53,600
Speaker 7: I don't know if you know, like how popular that is.

2565
02:17:53,959 --> 02:17:57,440
Speaker 7: Me and my wife we danced a step that is

2566
02:17:57,520 --> 02:18:00,600
Speaker 7: a very popular stepping song, you know what I mean.

2567
02:18:00,720 --> 02:18:03,960
Speaker 7: But that's just I just a gorgeous song man, beautiful

2568
02:18:04,280 --> 02:18:05,160
Speaker 7: performance everything.

2569
02:18:05,680 --> 02:18:07,840
Speaker 2: What was the inspiration for that? And what was it

2570
02:18:08,000 --> 02:18:08,600
Speaker 2: like recording it?

2571
02:18:10,000 --> 02:18:15,720
Speaker 5: Don nettlesby and uh Terry Kochay. You know it was

2572
02:18:15,800 --> 02:18:19,120
Speaker 5: this writing partner, Terry kole Fay. It was actually coffee,

2573
02:18:19,160 --> 02:18:23,560
Speaker 5: he spelled it, but he wanted to co face. So

2574
02:18:23,680 --> 02:18:27,000
Speaker 5: that's cool. That's all good, you know. So they wrote

2575
02:18:27,080 --> 02:18:29,600
Speaker 5: this track. I forget how we got, I forget how

2576
02:18:29,720 --> 02:18:33,440
Speaker 5: we connected, but they got this track to me, man,

2577
02:18:33,680 --> 02:18:37,080
Speaker 5: and like and when when I heard this track, I

2578
02:18:37,280 --> 02:18:39,800
Speaker 5: just moved into this new crib and I didn't have

2579
02:18:39,920 --> 02:18:43,280
Speaker 5: any recording equipment up or anything. So I'm like, I

2580
02:18:43,400 --> 02:18:45,840
Speaker 5: got this track, and I was like, man, this track

2581
02:18:45,959 --> 02:18:50,400
Speaker 5: is amazing. It's an amazing, amazing track. And so I

2582
02:18:50,440 --> 02:18:52,920
Speaker 5: didn't have any recording equipment set up, so I had,

2583
02:18:53,040 --> 02:18:56,680
Speaker 5: but I had two boomboxes that recorded you did. So

2584
02:18:56,800 --> 02:18:58,880
Speaker 5: I laid down in the in the middle of my

2585
02:18:59,000 --> 02:19:02,960
Speaker 5: floor and up in my up in my bedroom, and

2586
02:19:03,080 --> 02:19:06,360
Speaker 5: I had like probably a bottle red wine, you know,

2587
02:19:07,600 --> 02:19:10,520
Speaker 5: and I put one box on one side, one box

2588
02:19:10,560 --> 02:19:14,000
Speaker 5: on this I put concess in and I started bouncing things,

2589
02:19:14,360 --> 02:19:16,760
Speaker 5: you know, from that, and I started coming up with

2590
02:19:17,080 --> 02:19:20,360
Speaker 5: with h you know, different scenarios, different things I wanted

2591
02:19:20,400 --> 02:19:23,920
Speaker 5: to think about things that romantic stuff that I wanted

2592
02:19:23,959 --> 02:19:26,119
Speaker 5: to do with my woman, for my woman and all

2593
02:19:26,160 --> 02:19:29,640
Speaker 5: that and like and then that hook came. And then

2594
02:19:29,720 --> 02:19:33,560
Speaker 5: the hook was just so money man. It was just

2595
02:19:33,720 --> 02:19:35,520
Speaker 5: it was you know, it was like you know, like

2596
02:19:35,800 --> 02:19:37,960
Speaker 5: you do some songs in it in it and and

2597
02:19:38,080 --> 02:19:41,880
Speaker 5: it's like fighting you pulling teeth to make just go

2598
02:19:42,200 --> 02:19:48,000
Speaker 5: here and they fit melody and you know, uh, praising

2599
02:19:48,080 --> 02:19:50,640
Speaker 5: life man, show me. It was like butter and it

2600
02:19:50,879 --> 02:19:54,760
Speaker 5: just came down and were like you to let me know,

2601
02:19:55,680 --> 02:20:05,840
Speaker 5: just to let this go, hell me show me, you know,

2602
02:20:06,840 --> 02:20:10,199
Speaker 5: it's like and then the video was like crazy.

2603
02:20:09,959 --> 02:20:17,640
Speaker 2: Man, I remember that video. Yeah, of course you know

2604
02:20:17,720 --> 02:20:22,480
Speaker 2: what was hated. Yeah we did, yeah, very much, so

2605
02:20:22,879 --> 02:20:23,240
Speaker 2: very much.

2606
02:20:23,280 --> 02:20:25,520
Speaker 8: So I just wanted to say, if I was USh

2607
02:20:25,720 --> 02:20:28,160
Speaker 8: must be a very religious experience. And the way that

2608
02:20:28,240 --> 02:20:30,520
Speaker 8: you put these songs together and the way that the

2609
02:20:31,000 --> 02:20:33,120
Speaker 8: at least the ladies or if some of the fellas

2610
02:20:33,240 --> 02:20:36,760
Speaker 8: received them live, like do you see that in the

2611
02:20:36,840 --> 02:20:38,960
Speaker 8: crowd do you see people responding in a way that's

2612
02:20:39,040 --> 02:20:42,599
Speaker 8: like like most shows crazy.

2613
02:20:42,640 --> 02:20:45,640
Speaker 5: It's crazy. If I had a dollar for every time

2614
02:20:45,720 --> 02:20:49,400
Speaker 5: a cat came up to me, man, you helped me out, Man,

2615
02:20:52,000 --> 02:20:54,760
Speaker 5: i'd be I'd be a multi millionaire at this time.

2616
02:20:54,840 --> 02:20:58,080
Speaker 5: And and like I always say, you know, my thing

2617
02:20:58,240 --> 02:21:02,040
Speaker 5: is like, you know, some cats don't know what to say,

2618
02:21:02,400 --> 02:21:05,760
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. So my thing is like, okay,

2619
02:21:05,800 --> 02:21:07,880
Speaker 5: I'll give you what to say. You can say, listen

2620
02:21:07,920 --> 02:21:11,520
Speaker 5: to Howard listen out show me uh once twice three times,

2621
02:21:12,600 --> 02:21:15,440
Speaker 5: you know, and and listen to how I listen and

2622
02:21:15,560 --> 02:21:17,720
Speaker 5: I tell them, now I can get you to the bedroom.

2623
02:21:18,200 --> 02:21:20,560
Speaker 5: I can get you through the bedroom. Door, but you

2624
02:21:20,680 --> 02:21:26,640
Speaker 5: got the bedroom with you, right, So I like all

2625
02:21:26,720 --> 02:21:29,960
Speaker 5: the credit. And then when I do, when I do

2626
02:21:30,080 --> 02:21:32,840
Speaker 5: the shows, I mean, it's so it's so beautiful because

2627
02:21:33,000 --> 02:21:37,560
Speaker 5: you know, before BC, before COVID, anyway, I would spend

2628
02:21:37,640 --> 02:21:40,320
Speaker 5: most of my time in the audience rather than on

2629
02:21:40,520 --> 02:21:43,920
Speaker 5: stage because I like to I like to feel my audience.

2630
02:21:44,000 --> 02:21:46,800
Speaker 5: I like to have them participate. And it's a beautiful

2631
02:21:46,879 --> 02:21:49,480
Speaker 5: thing because you know a lot of cats, they're there

2632
02:21:49,520 --> 02:21:52,120
Speaker 5: with their women and they're with the lady and their

2633
02:21:52,160 --> 02:21:58,680
Speaker 5: pointing come sing to her. Yeah, you know, because she

2634
02:21:58,720 --> 02:21:59,359
Speaker 5: ain't gone.

2635
02:21:59,160 --> 02:22:04,160
Speaker 2: Home with me? Right, I love it all Right?

2636
02:22:04,320 --> 02:22:07,040
Speaker 3: Well, I got to ask this one last question because

2637
02:22:07,240 --> 02:22:09,520
Speaker 3: you know, I've asked one too many souldiering questions. But

2638
02:22:10,680 --> 02:22:14,000
Speaker 3: I know that you took over the theme to the

2639
02:22:14,080 --> 02:22:18,280
Speaker 3: show in eighty seven with George Duke. What was what

2640
02:22:18,480 --> 02:22:21,119
Speaker 3: was the well, Like, what was the process? Like basically

2641
02:22:21,200 --> 02:22:22,960
Speaker 3: Don just asked you guys to do it? Or like,

2642
02:22:23,120 --> 02:22:24,400
Speaker 3: how how did that go down?

2643
02:22:24,840 --> 02:22:27,080
Speaker 5: Don asked George to do it, and George asked me

2644
02:22:27,200 --> 02:22:29,400
Speaker 5: to do it. You know what I'm saying. So it

2645
02:22:29,520 --> 02:22:32,280
Speaker 5: wasn't it wasn't a collaborative situation as far as I

2646
02:22:32,280 --> 02:22:35,000
Speaker 5: ask concerned. But you know, George said, George, you know,

2647
02:22:35,120 --> 02:22:36,880
Speaker 5: George and I wrote a bunch of stuff, you know,

2648
02:22:37,040 --> 02:22:39,680
Speaker 5: through the years, and a bunch of theme songs for

2649
02:22:39,760 --> 02:22:43,280
Speaker 5: this and and that and and I mean we did

2650
02:22:44,080 --> 02:22:47,520
Speaker 5: a song for he said. He said, how I want

2651
02:22:47,560 --> 02:22:50,320
Speaker 5: you to come write these lyrics, you know, for this

2652
02:22:50,959 --> 02:22:54,039
Speaker 5: pop artist over in Japan. Right, I forget the cat's name,

2653
02:22:54,480 --> 02:22:57,160
Speaker 5: he said, But you can't get deep. This dude is

2654
02:22:57,200 --> 02:22:59,480
Speaker 5: not deep. You can't get deep. It's got to be shallow.

2655
02:23:02,400 --> 02:23:05,440
Speaker 2: So I love you, you baby. On my mind, I

2656
02:23:05,480 --> 02:23:07,600
Speaker 2: think about that time.

2657
02:23:08,600 --> 02:23:13,520
Speaker 5: I wrote called New York Girl. You know, it's like

2658
02:23:13,680 --> 02:23:16,560
Speaker 5: it's like, you know, I can't even remember the lyrics,

2659
02:23:16,600 --> 02:23:19,800
Speaker 5: but but it was. That's the perfect But now with

2660
02:23:19,959 --> 02:23:24,480
Speaker 5: the Souldier Award thing, uh don, George was taken over

2661
02:23:24,600 --> 02:23:27,000
Speaker 5: all the stuff as far as that's concerned. And then

2662
02:23:27,040 --> 02:23:28,880
Speaker 5: he asked me to come in and do uh do

2663
02:23:29,640 --> 02:23:34,040
Speaker 5: some ad libs and stuff on the on the So yeah,

2664
02:23:34,760 --> 02:23:35,360
Speaker 5: So what is.

2665
02:23:35,360 --> 02:23:38,920
Speaker 3: It, I guess in closing, what is it that you've

2666
02:23:39,240 --> 02:23:41,920
Speaker 3: what is it that you've learned that made you a

2667
02:23:42,120 --> 02:23:45,959
Speaker 3: wiser human being? Like it just in your your your

2668
02:23:46,160 --> 02:23:49,360
Speaker 3: your journey mm hmm to this point that that's brought

2669
02:23:49,400 --> 02:23:52,040
Speaker 3: you here to this day, that still has you here.

2670
02:23:52,959 --> 02:23:55,360
Speaker 5: You know, that's that's the deep question, because you know,

2671
02:23:55,480 --> 02:23:59,879
Speaker 5: you learn so much on your way, in different scenarios,

2672
02:24:00,400 --> 02:24:03,760
Speaker 5: in different places. I think one of the things though,

2673
02:24:03,920 --> 02:24:08,120
Speaker 5: that's most important as as an artist for me and

2674
02:24:08,360 --> 02:24:11,360
Speaker 5: as a man, as with your integrity, as far as

2675
02:24:11,440 --> 02:24:14,360
Speaker 5: as concerned, is to let your yes be yes, and

2676
02:24:14,440 --> 02:24:17,640
Speaker 5: your no byo no. You know what I'm saying, Understand

2677
02:24:17,879 --> 02:24:20,400
Speaker 5: and do and say what you're gonna do, what you're

2678
02:24:20,440 --> 02:24:23,720
Speaker 5: gonna You know, like I said in the earlier situation,

2679
02:24:23,959 --> 02:24:27,080
Speaker 5: my word was was worth more even before I knew

2680
02:24:27,120 --> 02:24:30,400
Speaker 5: that my word was worth more than than anything any

2681
02:24:30,400 --> 02:24:33,960
Speaker 5: piece of paper I could sign. You know, your integrity

2682
02:24:34,040 --> 02:24:38,320
Speaker 5: will follow you through this business closer than anything else will.

2683
02:24:38,640 --> 02:24:40,800
Speaker 5: All you can do, you can do all that, you

2684
02:24:40,879 --> 02:24:42,920
Speaker 5: can have all the hit records you want, all the

2685
02:24:43,440 --> 02:24:45,680
Speaker 5: you know, the love people love. But if you are

2686
02:24:46,000 --> 02:24:50,680
Speaker 5: a flaky person and and and and deal in uh

2687
02:24:50,879 --> 02:24:55,440
Speaker 5: situations where your integrity is not you know intact, you

2688
02:24:55,520 --> 02:24:59,120
Speaker 5: know is it doesn't mean anything. It really doesn't mean

2689
02:24:59,120 --> 02:25:00,840
Speaker 5: because at the end of the day to day it's

2690
02:25:00,879 --> 02:25:03,760
Speaker 5: going to be about who this man, what you as

2691
02:25:03,879 --> 02:25:06,960
Speaker 5: a man is about what are you about? You know,

2692
02:25:07,240 --> 02:25:09,920
Speaker 5: you can do all the music and people say, what

2693
02:25:09,959 --> 02:25:12,600
Speaker 5: do you want? What do you want your music? Want

2694
02:25:12,680 --> 02:25:15,160
Speaker 5: people to remember about your music? I want to remember

2695
02:25:15,240 --> 02:25:18,960
Speaker 5: the integrity in my music that I stayed. I stayed

2696
02:25:19,200 --> 02:25:22,280
Speaker 5: in av I have people saying you should put rapper

2697
02:25:22,280 --> 02:25:23,880
Speaker 5: and you used to put a rap thing, you should

2698
02:25:23,959 --> 02:25:26,520
Speaker 5: do some talk about you know, sex and all this

2699
02:25:26,720 --> 02:25:29,800
Speaker 5: kind of stuff. Now that's not my lane. You know

2700
02:25:29,840 --> 02:25:33,040
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. My lane is like here and stay here,

2701
02:25:33,120 --> 02:25:37,040
Speaker 5: and I have to. When I got in this business,

2702
02:25:37,360 --> 02:25:43,600
Speaker 5: I wanted to be I wanted to achieve longevity. I

2703
02:25:43,680 --> 02:25:46,240
Speaker 5: didn't want to just come into this business, make a

2704
02:25:46,320 --> 02:25:48,400
Speaker 5: couple of hit records and then go laid out on

2705
02:25:48,520 --> 02:25:50,840
Speaker 5: the beach. You know what I'm saying. I wanted to

2706
02:25:50,920 --> 02:25:53,000
Speaker 5: work at it. I wanted to work the work ethic,

2707
02:25:53,120 --> 02:25:56,920
Speaker 5: what it takes to keep and stay and keep your

2708
02:25:56,959 --> 02:26:02,720
Speaker 5: integrity in this business. And as a man, you know, man,

2709
02:26:02,840 --> 02:26:06,280
Speaker 5: it's like you know where I where I've come as

2710
02:26:06,320 --> 02:26:08,880
Speaker 5: far as where I am now, is that I can

2711
02:26:08,959 --> 02:26:12,080
Speaker 5: look in the mirror and say I like that cat.

2712
02:26:12,280 --> 02:26:14,840
Speaker 5: He's cool. It's all right, It's cool. You know what

2713
02:26:14,920 --> 02:26:18,959
Speaker 5: I'm saying, and I've had my my, my, my craziness

2714
02:26:19,560 --> 02:26:23,760
Speaker 5: and all that, but hey, it's about you know, praise God.

2715
02:26:24,480 --> 02:26:26,920
Speaker 5: That's that's all I can say. Praise God.

2716
02:26:27,840 --> 02:26:28,640
Speaker 2: That's all you can say.

2717
02:26:28,720 --> 02:26:31,840
Speaker 3: Man, Well, thank you very much, brother Ewett, thank you

2718
02:26:32,000 --> 02:26:35,480
Speaker 3: for doing our show. It's been a pleasure.

2719
02:26:36,760 --> 02:26:38,800
Speaker 5: Pleasure, zero my pleasure, sugar.

2720
02:26:38,879 --> 02:26:40,840
Speaker 2: Steve, are you are you gearing up to.

2721
02:26:40,879 --> 02:26:44,800
Speaker 5: Say knocked out over there a minute ago?

2722
02:26:45,760 --> 02:26:50,240
Speaker 2: Now that's just the weired talking. I'm serious. I'm on

2723
02:26:50,360 --> 02:26:54,480
Speaker 2: the scissor tonight. So you got a cold. I never

2724
02:26:54,520 --> 02:26:59,040
Speaker 2: went fully unconscious. But wait, Steve, you're sick. Oh.

2725
02:26:59,080 --> 02:27:01,280
Speaker 8: I told you tell people that you got to do

2726
02:27:01,320 --> 02:27:02,160
Speaker 8: disclaimers and stuff.

2727
02:27:02,160 --> 02:27:03,119
Speaker 6: You can't just put that out there.

2728
02:27:05,520 --> 02:27:05,959
Speaker 5: A good thing.

2729
02:27:06,040 --> 02:27:10,000
Speaker 8: We're on zoom, right, I said, But look they worked, Sieve,

2730
02:27:10,200 --> 02:27:11,240
Speaker 8: like three hours ago.

2731
02:27:16,440 --> 02:27:18,680
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, Howard man, like some years ago.

2732
02:27:18,879 --> 02:27:21,200
Speaker 7: This has been over a decade ago. I actually met you.

2733
02:27:21,360 --> 02:27:22,960
Speaker 2: I ran in you. It was real quick.

2734
02:27:23,000 --> 02:27:26,400
Speaker 7: It was an lax and if I'm not mistaken, I

2735
02:27:26,440 --> 02:27:28,480
Speaker 7: think it was it was lax. But you were just

2736
02:27:29,000 --> 02:27:31,000
Speaker 7: just as you are now, man, super cool. And I

2737
02:27:31,120 --> 02:27:32,920
Speaker 7: just walked up. I was like, yo, man, I'm a

2738
02:27:32,959 --> 02:27:35,960
Speaker 7: big fan and like you were just kind of low key,

2739
02:27:36,120 --> 02:27:38,040
Speaker 7: so I didn't want to blow your spot up, you

2740
02:27:38,040 --> 02:27:39,120
Speaker 7: know what I mean? Because I was like, all right,

2741
02:27:39,120 --> 02:27:41,480
Speaker 7: I don't want to make people notice. And then it's

2742
02:27:41,520 --> 02:27:44,080
Speaker 7: like thirty more people coming, so I just I was like, yo,

2743
02:27:44,120 --> 02:27:44,440
Speaker 7: I'm a fan.

2744
02:27:44,480 --> 02:27:45,800
Speaker 2: Brother. He was like, thank you, man, like.

2745
02:27:45,840 --> 02:27:48,160
Speaker 7: Super cool, and I started the tweet. I was like, yo,

2746
02:27:48,240 --> 02:27:49,800
Speaker 7: I just met how you and I thought, I was like,

2747
02:27:50,280 --> 02:27:52,560
Speaker 7: I don't know what was he doing out here, so

2748
02:27:52,720 --> 02:27:57,400
Speaker 7: let's me not I don't want to blow spot up

2749
02:27:57,640 --> 02:28:04,400
Speaker 7: or whatever, but sneaking, you know, right, But you were

2750
02:28:04,440 --> 02:28:07,280
Speaker 7: super cool, and I just I never forgot that man,

2751
02:28:07,360 --> 02:28:09,200
Speaker 7: and just where you were a class act and you

2752
02:28:09,320 --> 02:28:09,680
Speaker 7: still are.

2753
02:28:09,760 --> 02:28:11,520
Speaker 2: And I just thank you for the music and for

2754
02:28:11,560 --> 02:28:13,680
Speaker 2: all your con man for absolutely.

2755
02:28:15,120 --> 02:28:17,279
Speaker 5: I always say, man, we're all in this thing together.

2756
02:28:17,360 --> 02:28:19,920
Speaker 5: Ain't none of us getting out of this thing alive,

2757
02:28:20,080 --> 02:28:21,800
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, So we might as well

2758
02:28:22,400 --> 02:28:24,560
Speaker 5: might as well do this together and be as as

2759
02:28:26,000 --> 02:28:31,640
Speaker 5: cordial and respectful and right, you know, as as possible. Unfortunately,

2760
02:28:32,000 --> 02:28:35,280
Speaker 5: some of my peers, you know, use their celebrity as

2761
02:28:35,280 --> 02:28:37,840
Speaker 5: an excuse to be rude to people. But you know,

2762
02:28:38,000 --> 02:28:41,840
Speaker 5: it's like, especially in this business, it's like, we're not athletes.

2763
02:28:41,959 --> 02:28:42,080
Speaker 7: You know.

2764
02:28:42,280 --> 02:28:46,120
Speaker 5: Sometimes athletes they want people to hate them because they'll

2765
02:28:46,160 --> 02:28:48,560
Speaker 5: come to the stadium to hate them. But if in

2766
02:28:48,720 --> 02:28:51,560
Speaker 5: this business, if somebody hates you, they ain't gonna buy

2767
02:28:51,640 --> 02:28:52,160
Speaker 5: your records.

2768
02:28:52,200 --> 02:28:54,920
Speaker 6: Are customer service true?

2769
02:28:55,200 --> 02:28:55,720
Speaker 5: Truthactly?

2770
02:28:56,160 --> 02:28:59,360
Speaker 2: Well, we thank you for doing our show on behalf

2771
02:28:59,400 --> 02:29:05,600
Speaker 2: of Scissor Steve and unpaid Bill. Putting the kids to

2772
02:29:05,640 --> 02:29:06,360
Speaker 2: bed right now.

2773
02:29:06,480 --> 02:29:10,760
Speaker 3: Fontigelo and Laiya this quest love once again the immortal

2774
02:29:11,440 --> 02:29:14,560
Speaker 3: Howard Hewitt Quest Love Supreme and we will see you

2775
02:29:14,680 --> 02:29:15,320
Speaker 3: next go round.

2776
02:29:15,440 --> 02:29:19,360
Speaker 2: Thank you, yo, what's up?

2777
02:29:19,440 --> 02:29:21,680
Speaker 7: This is fante. Make sure you keep up with us

2778
02:29:21,720 --> 02:29:24,160
Speaker 7: on Instagram at QLs and let us know.

2779
02:29:24,200 --> 02:29:25,959
Speaker 2: What you think we should be next to sit down

2780
02:29:26,000 --> 02:29:28,920
Speaker 2: with us. Don't forget to subscribe to our podcast, all right.

2781
02:29:29,400 --> 02:29:39,080
Speaker 1: Peace Must Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio.

2782
02:29:42,760 --> 02:29:46,000
Speaker 1: For more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app,

2783
02:29:46,240 --> 02:29:49,279
Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.