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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Oh damn, I'm paid Billsie. What the hell?

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Speaker 1: Snap Son, Jesus Christ, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another

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Speaker 1: episode of course I'm Supreme. Bill, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, starring up date Phil Man.

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Speaker 1: You in the house. You even with even with a Tony,

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Speaker 1: You're you're still with us.

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Speaker 2: I know I'm just close from not.

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Speaker 3: I'm here for now, Billy.

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Speaker 1: The second you complete you got, You're not gonna mess

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Speaker 1: with this anymore.

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Speaker 2: The second I he got before you.

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Speaker 1: Hell, yeah, I'm getting out. Bill loves Supreme.

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Speaker 2: All I'm taking everybody with you.

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Speaker 1: Days coming too, He says, exactly, all right, sugar, Steve,

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Speaker 1: you're still loyal, correct to Bill Sherman. Yes, okay, Hey, Alicia,

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Speaker 1: lord On, somebody we gotta fund Ticolo in the crib.

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 2: Brother? You call us good?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm good Man. Were down twenty six?

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Speaker 2: Cause yeah, nice?

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Speaker 1: We move, we move, we moveing weight. Son. I like

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Speaker 1: the fact that we down twenty six actually is a

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Speaker 1: good thing, because normally that could mean like Atlanta is

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Speaker 1: down by twenty six. Are you down twenty six thousand dollars? Exactly?

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Speaker 4: What is the game, nah man, you know it's still

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Speaker 4: try trying to live past fifty?

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Speaker 2: Yes, which is you know, struggle, super struggle. How are

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Speaker 2: you hey?

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Speaker 3: I'm good man, I'm feeling all right, feeling all right.

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Speaker 1: We're good, all right, ladies and gentlemen. Uh, what can

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Speaker 1: I say? Yes, it is a freaking known to us,

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Speaker 1: of course, as one third of probably one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite groups. I don't know, I can't categorize Shalamar as

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Speaker 1: a soul group. I can't categorize them as a pop

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Speaker 1: group or a bookie group. But you know, I mean

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Speaker 1: because they transitioned between disco, between bookie and between new

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Speaker 1: wave eighties pop, you know they were everlasting. And you know,

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Speaker 1: of course our guest today is, without saying, a singer's singer,

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Speaker 1: a real singer and awesome singer has had such a

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Speaker 1: story career singing the soundtrack of our lives. I don't

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Speaker 1: even want to waste one minute in my patent long

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Speaker 1: nineteen minute intros. I will just say, welcome to Quest

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Speaker 1: Left Supreme, the one and only Howard Hewitt. Thank you, Yes, indeed,

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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for coming. Yeah, I can't wait

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Speaker 1: till we're off zoom. So we could have like real

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Speaker 1: hand claps. Again, I like the last seven episodes were all.

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Speaker 5: Breathing, and that's what that's what it's a killer because

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Speaker 5: that's exactly what it sounds like when you're in, when

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Speaker 5: you're in like a.

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Speaker 2: Huge crowd, like right, exactly right, All right, well we'll

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Speaker 2: be effects.

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Speaker 1: How are you today?

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 5: Very good, very well, Just just like we were talking

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Speaker 5: earlier about, I do my my daily walk and I'm

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Speaker 5: trying to stay ahead of this heat out here. It's

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Speaker 5: like crazy, man, really crazy out here in California. Well

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Speaker 5: where I am, it's different temperatures different, Yeah, Long Beach.

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Speaker 5: Out of the Long Beach yesterday it was like seventy

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Speaker 5: seven degrees out here all day yesterday was like a

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Speaker 5: hundred uh and real field was one hundred and eight.

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Speaker 5: So Jesus great, what one hundred and eight man there was.

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Speaker 5: That's one of those times you just stay in that

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Speaker 5: you stay in the house, you don't even go outside,

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Speaker 5: close the curtains.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned something that this this actually might be inspirational

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Speaker 1: for me. How often do you have to commit to

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Speaker 1: the daily walk. I'll admit that I will often let

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Speaker 1: my work schedule become become my excuse to get out

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Speaker 1: the scheduling of it. But how important is the daily

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Speaker 1: walk because before we were rolling, we were just basically

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Speaker 1: talking about the struggle to survive, especially for black people,

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Speaker 5: So conditioning, you know, conditioning and and But for me,

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Speaker 5: going to remove everything from you that can distract you

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Speaker 5: in the beginning the very beginning of of COVID. I

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Speaker 5: known this this cat since I was twenty years old,

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Speaker 5: So, but through my career, I've gone through you know, death,

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Speaker 5: my mom and dad. You know, I've gone through breakups

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Speaker 5: times that I spent in my career was spent on stage.

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Speaker 5: You did what I'm saying, because and I had my work.

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Speaker 5: I always had my work. And so so.

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Speaker 1: He said, no distractions now and he said, he.

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Speaker 5: Said, and I'm take that away from you right now.

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Speaker 5: And then and then my next question in my spirit was,

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Speaker 5: And so that's when I did it. Daily. I did

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Speaker 5: I read. I started from Genesis in my Bible and went,

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Speaker 5: day because when I built my house, I had them

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Speaker 5: So that was my daily devotion between me God, Christ,

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Speaker 5: I started a whole situation as far as like we

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Speaker 5: I said, Okay, I'm gonna do with my walk because

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Speaker 5: I do it like a four mile walk. And then

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Speaker 5: So first at first it was fac dot dot dot

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Speaker 5: Then it became a conversation. So then I added fac

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Speaker 5: and all that leads to life, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: So it's almost like now, after all this time. It's

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Speaker 5: like I feel like I'm obligated to get on there

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Speaker 5: and keeping everything up. You know, it's like, Okay, I

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Speaker 5: you know, the schedule will well like get in a

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Speaker 5: to get out there, you know what I'm saying. Every day,

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Speaker 5: every day, I'm out there every day.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 5: Even on the weekend. I know, I don't come online

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Speaker 3: Do a daily show.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right, well yeah, how are you just

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Speaker 1: let it be known that you're definitely the straw that

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Speaker 2: You that's what I need to hear, you know, because

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Speaker 2: people have been get on.

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Speaker 1: Me like yo, man, you slacking off.

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Speaker 1: You you were committed your da da da, You're falling off,

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Speaker 1: like you know, my partner's don't walk with and all

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Speaker 1: like you ain't walked in like ten days a mirite,

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Speaker 1: So all right, I now know, I now.

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Speaker 2: Know that I have to.

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Speaker 5: It's important, man, it's really important because you know you all,

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Speaker 5: you know, all you got. If you don't have anything else,

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Speaker 5: you if everything's jacked up, everything can be going well.

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Speaker 5: But if you don't have your health, man, that's crazy.

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Speaker 5: It's crazy. And then if stuff is jacked up and

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Speaker 5: your health is jacked up, that's like a whole other thing.

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Speaker 5: There's a whole other situation.

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Well, brother, you look awesome, like you

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Speaker 1: look good, great and great health.

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Speaker 3: That's five year old gold. That's it.

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Speaker 1: Sixty five brothers late forties to me, like for real,

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Speaker 1: for real, they still look great. Six.

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Speaker 2: So yeah.

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Speaker 1: The the question I want to pose to you, of course,

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Speaker 1: is the first question always ask on the show. Uh,

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Speaker 1: could you please tell us what your first musical memory was?

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Speaker 5: My first musical memory, man, was Actually I would think

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Speaker 5: Isley Brothers, Sam Cook and my grandmother's garage when we

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Speaker 5: would have all the holidays we would, we would. It

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Speaker 5: would always be at my grandmother, my grandma fitz Hugh's house.

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Speaker 2: And well, you mean records or in person.

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Speaker 5: No records, I'm talking about records. Say Damn was like, oh,

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Speaker 5: you're talking about live as far as no no.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no no, I mean first all right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's one years ago. Because we played. I wasn't.

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Speaker 5: I was when I was five years old, four or

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Speaker 5: five years old. I was in charge of like playing

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Speaker 5: the garage and put a turntable in there, and we

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Speaker 5: I've heard looking at us fight live on the air.

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Speaker 5: That was before any that's that's before any of them

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Speaker 5: he was. He was. He was not the persona basically.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he lived large, you don't, don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, up on house, up on Benedict off of Benedict Canyon.

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Speaker 5: Syndication was just coming in maybe not too long after that,

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Speaker 1: Say that's what I was thinking.

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Speaker 1: They put you in the.

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Speaker 5: My own money. I don't remember which one of what

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Speaker 5: Yeah exactly. But see, you know I come, I come

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Speaker 5: Akron, Akron, Ohio, Akron.

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Speaker 5: I met James when I was fifteen.

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Speaker 5: Okay. I was with James when when he got the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, weren't they movie movie?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, because they came out.

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Speaker 5: Here, they came out here. Bernard never came out here

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Speaker 5: like ARNOLDI So we were like nobody, but they came.

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Speaker 3: No, nothing has ever changed.

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Speaker 5: supposed to be until you know, until he got it,

434
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 5: until he went solo.

435
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: So well, one more thing, so if you were friends

436
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 1: with James, uh, were you at all in proximity of

437
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 1: his brother Philip at the time when Philip was developing

438
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 1: a switch? M The switch also has achron connections, correct.

439
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, Philip Phillip was like Philip was his younger brother.

440
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 5: So Phillip's younger than me. And uh, phillips group back

441
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 5: in Achron. Uh Man, what was his name? I forget,

442
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 5: I forget their name. The name we had, we had

443
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 5: weird names back there. There was a group called picket Fence.

444
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 5: I don't know what that was about, but it was like,

445
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 5: you know, but the Philip was with raw Soul I

446
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 5: think it was. And I mean Akron, Akron was an

447
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 5: amazing place to grow up man, and and the rubber cat.

448
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 5: It was the rubber capital of the world at that time,

449
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 5: so so middle class was thriving. It was like you know,

450
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 5: it was it was and you either did you either

451
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 5: did music, you did you worked in the rubber factory,

452
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 5: or you were pimp one or the other. You know

453
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 5: that some cats tried to do all three.

454
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: All three, all three. But rubbers and.

455
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 5: Philip I think the name of Phillips. The group was raw,

456
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 5: so if I'm not mistaken, but yeah, Philip had a

457
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 5: great voice and everything. And and when they came out

458
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 5: with Switch, I didn't even have a deal at that time.

459
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 5: We were I was talking to L about that just

460
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 5: the other day because every time I listened to L,

461
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 5: I hear Bobby you know what I'm saying, and it's

462
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 5: just it's crazy. And uh so they came out, and

463
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 5: you know, it was like Eddie Flewell and the trumpet player.

464
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 5: Eddie and I. Eddie and I went to grade school,

465
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 5: junior high and graduated high school together. So when they

466
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 5: came out, I was I would go, you know, they

467
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 5: were coming out and bringing them out, and so I

468
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 5: went and hung out with them at the studio, you know,

469
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 5: while they were while they were calling uh called it,

470
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 5: I call your name or something like that, and I

471
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 5: would just sit there and all just listening to Bobby.

472
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 5: He could do that because I think it was his false,

473
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 5: but that wasn't his false. That was that was his

474
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 5: natural voice, just like I was listening to Elle the

475
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 5: other night. Elle's false is his natural voice. That's his

476
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 5: natural voice, right, so you know it's it's it's you know,

477
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 5: it was amazing. It was amazing as far as I

478
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 5: was concerned. So yeah, Philip and and and Eddie, Yeah

479
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 5: came out when switch came out.

480
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: Question, I do remember, I think I remember during one

481
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: of the interviews with Don Krnoli's on Soul Train where

482
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: you talked about you were actually dancing on the show first.

483
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: Is that true? Were y'all just joking with each other?

484
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 5: I was never a soul trained dancer.

485
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 2: Okay.

486
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: I heard okay there because because it said it said,

487
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: it was said with a laugh, So I was like, wait,

488
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's serious or not, but okay,

489
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: I knew if that was true.

490
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 5: I was dating, uh this this lady that worked for

491
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 5: down and there and at the Souldier and Dance Studios

492
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 5: studios in the office in the front.

493
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 2: Office, Pam Brown.

494
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 5: No no, no, this is her name was Ann.

495
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait

496
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: a minute. Jesus Christ, I can't believe I'm talking to

497
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: you right now. How are you You've no no, no,

498
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: no, no no no no.

499
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 2: It just hit me.

500
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: You literally have christened a human being with my all

501
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: time favorite name. I read about this and ride on

502
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: you have a daughter named Rainy Days.

503
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 5: Rainy Days d a z rather yo.

504
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: When I read that ship when I was ten years old,

505
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna have a girl, and I'm the

506
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: name of.

507
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: Rainy Days, Like it just wow, that's crazy.

508
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 5: Her mom, you know, eventually became my wife and she

509
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 5: his mother and my two older daughters. But when when

510
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 5: Rainie was born, Rainy was the only only child that

511
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 5: I didn't see come out, you know, because I was

512
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 5: I was on the road. I had my my my

513
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 5: oldest darted with me. She was like a year and

514
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 5: a half at the time, right, and so her mom

515
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 5: was so huge. I was like, look, I'm gonna take

516
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take Lakeiva. My oldest daughter's name is Lakiva,

517
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 5: you know, which was the name let Kiva k I

518
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 5: v E. Which is a name, which is the name

519
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 5: I made up when I was nineteen years old. I

520
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 5: used to go to Kent State for a minute, and like,

521
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 5: I used to walk past Kiva Hall. This hall called

522
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 5: Kiva Hall, Andy, I say, every morning i'm walking to

523
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 5: my first class, I say, wow, Kiva Kiva would be

524
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 5: a beautiful name for a little girl. But had a

525
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 5: love on the front of.

526
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: Luck that is so black.

527
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: You got all the names correct, Bill, I got it.

528
00:28:58,800 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 5: I got it.

529
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: Anything Bill, and my friend Lafonte and quest got.

530
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 5: You so like but like, I took Lakeiva out on

531
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 5: the road with me because her mom was so huge.

532
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 5: I just wanted her to concentrate on being pregnant, not

533
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 5: not having so she was having to take care of

534
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 5: one and half kids. So I took my daughter out

535
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 5: on the road with me so we would we would

536
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 5: work at the time, Shalamar, we were working Thursday, Friday, Saturday,

537
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 5: Sunday off, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. So Thursday I finished the show. Monday,

538
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 5: I mean Sunday rather, I finished the show. Then Monday morning,

539
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 5: me and Kieva would jump on the plane, fly back

540
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 5: here to l a sit there.

541
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: You know.

542
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 5: I take her to the beach, walker on the sand,

543
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 5: you know, a whole thing, trying to make that baby drop,

544
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And after after about three

545
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 5: weeks or so, agoing back and forth, back and forth,

546
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 5: I was like wiped out. So we were near Ohio

547
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 5: and I called her and I said, you know, how

548
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 5: do you feel? She said, it feels you know. I said, look,

549
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 5: me and Kieva are going to go to my mom's

550
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 5: house and just chill. So I went to my mom's

551
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 5: house and said enough. We got there on Monday, and

552
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 5: like Tuesday or Wednesday, she had the baby right, so

553
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 5: named her, named her after her mom. Her mom's name

554
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,479
Speaker 5: was Raining. And so my partner and partner mine was out.

555
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 5: I got him a job working with the group. When

556
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 5: when when I was with the group and stuff, So

557
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 5: one of my best partners, so you know, he was

558
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 5: out on the road with her, and like we were

559
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 5: sitting in my in either his room in my room,

560
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 5: and like he said, so, uh.

561
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: I can tell this is already gonna be my favorite interview.

562
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: Man.

563
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,479
Speaker 2: Yes, I feel like member of this Tobias.

564
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: I think howard you were?

565
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 5: He said, and I and and he said, so you

566
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 5: know your name the baby Rainie had the baby? You said, yeah,

567
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 5: said what, so what's you gonna name her? I took

568
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 5: the time, what are you gonna name her Rainie? After

569
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,239
Speaker 5: my you know, say, what what's the nile name gonna be?

570
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 5: But I was thinking about.

571
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: Days the the story.

572
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 5: She sees his interview, she thinks that I was drunk

573
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 5: or something when Ian the whole time you.

574
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 8: Was talking, I was just thinking I was like, I

575
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 8: hope Howard remembers all the stories of how how his

576
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 8: kids were born, because not for nothing, especially the girls.

577
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 8: My dad used to call me every year of my

578
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 8: life up until he got like eighty and tell me

579
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 8: on my birthday, like how my conception of how I

580
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 8: was born?

581
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 3: And it's just it's just a love.

582
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: About the conception, the conception.

583
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, the conception, but the dad was.

584
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 3: Born sign Yeah, but ye say those stories, tell them stories.

585
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: People love us.

586
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: I was going to say there was a ten year

587
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: old reading write on magazine that it was really really

588
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: hell impressed with that name. At the time. I was like, wow,

589
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: that's the greatest name ever. Raindy Days. All right, I'm

590
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: gonna have raindy Days two point oh all right. So

591
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: it's it's still in the cards for me.

592
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 5: She hated it when she was in grade school, but

593
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 5: when she got into junior high and then high school

594
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 5: and then all that time adulthood, she loves it. She

595
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 5: loves her name.

596
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: You know, nice nice is she in the Does does

597
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: she have musical talent? Does she?

598
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: I have no clue what she.

599
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 5: Came out of schools, came out of high school, wanted

600
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 5: to do you know, wanted to get into the business

601
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 5: and stuff, and so like you know, I gave her

602
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 5: my advice and she, you know, got herself a little

603
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 5: job started, you know, putting putting together her demos, about

604
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 5: three or four demos, three or four songs, and she

605
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 5: got her head shot together and then got herself a

606
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 5: deal with this company called notting Hill. You know, notting

607
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 5: Hill was in l a and as well as in London,

608
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 5: you know, in the UK, so she was They were

609
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 5: working on an album together, and then halfway through the

610
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 5: album she comes to me she says, you know, Dad,

611
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 5: I'm really not into this. I said, what do you

612
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 5: mean into it? She said, I'm more interested in what

613
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 5: I'm gonna wear than the music, you know what I'm saying.

614
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 5: So he was into the fashion for Unfortunately, the people

615
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 5: at at at notting Hill were cool and they had

616
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 5: put a single out in uh in the UK that

617
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 5: did fairly well. But you know, she wasn't she wasn't

618
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 5: into it, so they let her go and then she

619
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 5: got a position with Vera Wang company, you know, did

620
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 5: that for.

621
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: A while then, so she lived in London for a while.

622
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 5: She went to London, she didn't live there, but she

623
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 5: spent a lot of time.

624
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: Okay, I see, I see, Okay, I do want to know.

625
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: Okay, first of all, before you get into your entry,

626
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: do you know exactly what the situation was that caused

627
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: Jerald Brown to leave Shalamar that was your vacancy? Because

628
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: even with those first two records, I always felt like

629
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: I had, you know, the first two albums as a

630
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: kid or whatever. I had the Uptown Festival forty five

631
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: and what not, and it's like, I never thought his

632
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: voice blended in with that group. Well even even take that,

633
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: I'm mean, take That to the Bank, of course was

634
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: a classic song, no matter what, but I never felt

635
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: like his voice fit into He was like he was

636
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: like a grown adult, and I always felt like Jody

637
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: and Jeffrey represented like the kids while.

638
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: He was like a proper adult or whatever.

639
00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: But what's the situation that caused him to vacate the group? Don't?

640
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't know the specific situation exactly what happened.

641
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 5: I think there was some stuff, some questions about management

642
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 5: maybe or about whatever. Because you know, Gerald had been

643
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 5: been in the business for a while with Soul Trained,

644
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 5: with the Soul Trained gang, and and coming from coming

645
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 5: from Cincinnati and that first Uptown Festival album, the first

646
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 5: that wasn't Gerald, that was this guy named Gary Mumford.

647
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 5: So they had they had two lead singers before before me. Right,

648
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 5: so it was Gary Mumford on Uptown Festival and then uh,

649
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 5: Jerald Brown. Uptown Festival was one of those things where,

650
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 5: you know, back in the day with disco and stuff.

651
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 5: That's why I was never really a big fan of

652
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 5: disco because I always thought it was pretty fabricated music

653
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 5: and and you know, I was more into the into

654
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 5: the band and the real people that did it, because

655
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 5: you do you know, they would put together uh you know,

656
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 5: a on with with studio musicians, studio vocalists, throw it

657
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 5: out there, see if it made some noise. If it

658
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 5: made some noise, then they go and put a group together.

659
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 5: And that's how Salomar basically, you know formed. So it

660
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 5: was like Gary Mumford on Uptown Festival and then uh

661
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 5: and then he I think he went back to the

662
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 5: church too, if I'm not mistaken. And and then Jerald

663
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 5: Brown came in. They took him from you know, because

664
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 5: it was Don Cornelius and uh Griffy, right, you know,

665
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 5: at first it was sole trained records, you know what

666
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 5: I mean. And so they brought Jerald Brown in and

667
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 5: then they did take that to the bank. They were

668
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 5: out in the middle of a promotional tour. I was

669
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 5: working with this cat uh Jeffrey Bowen at the time

670
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 5: because I was with a group. I was with a

671
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 5: group down that was formed people that was formed by

672
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 5: the people in uh Matthew Jeffrey Bowen.

673
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Bowen produced a song for You by the Temptations, right.

674
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 5: Yep, and a bunch of colm did Bonnie Pointer was

675
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 5: his lady, and.

676
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: Here was his wife? Right dom Bonnie Pointer was his wife?

677
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: And wait did he did he produce? I think he

678
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: co produced with George Clinton two songs on guitarist Eddie Hazel,

679
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: Eddie Hazel's record, Hey.

680
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 5: We were, Well, we were. He had hired me because

681
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 5: I I was this girl Tammy Gibson who used to

682
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 5: sing for Stevie in Wonder Love. She was looking and

683
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 5: she came looking for me because I was with a

684
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 5: group that ended up we ended up overseas for about

685
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 5: a year and a half, this show group called Beverly Hills,

686
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 5: right and the people at Mavericks Flat down in the

687
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 5: Crenshaw district, John Daniels and and Alonzo Daniels's brother. They

688
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 5: put together show groups and stuff, so this was one

689
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 5: of the groups that they put together. We ended up

690
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 5: touring overseas for about you know, about a little less

691
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 5: than a year and a half or so, and I

692
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 5: was making like two point fifty three years is this around?

693
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 5: This is like seventy seven, seventy seven, because I brought

694
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 5: seventy eight in seventy seven. Out the end of seventy seven,

695
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 5: I was in Helsinki, Finland, which was the first gig

696
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 5: that we did, and then we went to Geneva, Switzerland,

697
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 5: and I read that because I brought we brought seventy

698
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 5: eight nineteen seventy eight in in Geneva, Switzerland, and then

699
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 5: we went on to Bena, Dorm, Spain, Santa Pez, France.

700
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 5: We're all over the place. I was making two fifty

701
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 5: three hundred a week, you know what I'm saying. But

702
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 5: I was having them ball I was like twenty two,

703
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 5: about twenty two years old.

704
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: Again, I'm pulling out my inflation calculator just to see,

705
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: just to see. So when you're saying the show group,

706
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: you're saying in terms of like you guys, because I

707
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: think heat Wave was sort of in the same situation

708
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: where they were perform more on like army.

709
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 2: Bases or clubs of the day. Is that the same situation.

710
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 5: Or no, we never did army bases. But when I

711
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 5: say a show group, I mean like a top forty group,

712
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. We did everything from Disco

713
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 5: Infernal to Mandy you know what they so yeah, and

714
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 5: it's like and you know, did you know Afternoon Delight

715
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 5: all that kind of stuff. You know, it was like,

716
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 5: you know, it was my stuff, old stuff exactly. We

717
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 5: didn't do any original stuff. It was just and it

718
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 5: was like, you know, so.

719
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: But wait, by the way, guys, two fifty back in

720
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven was one thousand, one eighty seven and

721
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: eighty six cents by today.

722
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 2: That was that was good. That was cool money.

723
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 5: I wish I would have felt that. Then I came

724
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 5: back a year and a half with about five hundred dollars.

725
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 2: That was this.

726
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 5: But so, you know, so like I came back and

727
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 5: and all the Mavericks Flat was was a really interesting

728
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 5: place where on the weekend it was a club and

729
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 5: on the week days that's where we rehears. We will

730
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 5: rehearse the band anytime we had a show that we

731
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 5: wanted to try out on people at a live audience.

732
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 5: We would play at Mavericks Friday and Saturday the night

733
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 5: and so it was like, you know, I mean, Mavericks

734
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 5: was interesting in that you could look out in the

735
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 5: audience at any time. Shaka Khan would be sitting out there,

736
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 5: or lion On Richie when he was with the Commodores,

737
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 5: or Richard pryor hung out there all the time, and

738
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 5: it was it was just it was just a great

739
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 5: place to like cut your teeth as far as like

740
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 5: you know, uh, the way that you do your show,

741
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 5: the whole thing, and uh. And where it was located Crenchhall,

742
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 5: right Crenshawn Stocker, right on the corner of Crenshaw on Stocker.

743
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: So this point in Crenshaw, because I also know that

744
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: what was Total Experience also a club.

745
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 5: On Crenshaw as well, right up the street.

746
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: As far as the black clubs are concerned, you're saying

747
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: at Maverick Flats and Total Experience, And like, where were

748
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: the other nightlife options for black people to go.

749
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 5: To Strawberry Hill? Was the club there? I don't know

750
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 5: a whole bunch of clubs around there a bit, because

751
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 5: I hung at Mavericks all the time. You know. It

752
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 5: was like I had a key to Mavericks at one time.

753
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 5: So you know, that was my that was my hang

754
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 5: that was my hanging spot. You know. So there's other

755
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 5: guys in Dolls. I think was a was a club,

756
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 5: but I think that was a little bit before I

757
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 5: got there, you know, guys and dolls. But I'm not

758
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 5: really familiar with the whole bunch of the clubs over there.

759
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: So you're saying that if you if it's nineteen seventy seven,

760
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: seventy eight, seventy nine and you're a black professional, chances

761
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: are like you're hanging in on Crenshaw Boulevard at a club.

762
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: So we weren't really doing like West Hollywood back.

763
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,479
Speaker 5: Then, or no, I didn't do a lot of West

764
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 5: Hollywood back then because that was like I got to

765
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 5: I got out here in LA in nineteen seventy six,

766
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 5: you know, and so I hooked up with the people

767
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 5: at Mavericks about about two months after I got out here,

768
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 5: you know, and we and John Daniels told me what

769
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 5: he what, what he was, what he wanted to do

770
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 5: he had. He had a bunch of show groups, and

771
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 5: one of his main show groups was this group called

772
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 5: the Love Machine. It was like seven seven fine, Fine,

773
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 5: with Kathleen Bradley, who was the first black model on

774
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 5: The Price Is Right. She was in yea from Friday. Yeah,

775
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 5: she was in. That's what she shut up built.

776
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: She was.

777
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 5: And uh, he's done, He's done over there, it's like man,

778
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 5: So yeah, she she was in. She was in the

779
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 5: Love Machine and six other beautiful women. They and they

780
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 5: went all around the world. When I first went down there,

781
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 5: the cat T Tucker that played bass for Revelation Funk

782
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 5: like I said at that time. By that time they

783
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 5: were broken up and T was playing for the Love Machine.

784
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 5: And I called T one day. I said, I got

785
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 5: his number.

786
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: I called him.

787
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 5: I said, Yo, man, I'm in town. Blah blah blah.

788
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 5: I said, man, come down to Maverick Flat. I'm rehearsing today.

789
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 5: You know, I'm playing with this group called Love Machine.

790
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 5: So me and my cousin went down to Maverick Flatt

791
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 5: and stuff, and they were rehearsing at that time to

792
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 5: do a showcase that night for Tom Jones. Because they

793
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 5: were Tom Jones wanted them to open up for him.

794
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 5: So you know, that was how that whole thing came about.

795
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 5: And then we started putting the group and stuff together.

796
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 5: But I was working there, went overseas, came back from there.

797
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 5: We broke up the group Beverly Hills broke up after

798
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 5: about a year a little less than a year and

799
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 5: a half over in England, and came back and I

800
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 5: started kicking around in LA and then that's when I

801
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 5: hooked up with Jeffrey Bowen, you know, to he was

802
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 5: doing this album with this solo album on Eddie Hazel,

803
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 5: and he.

804
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: Please describe with what Eddie Hazel was like. Besides George Clinton,

805
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: I really haven't gotten a straight story about Eddie Hazel.

806
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 5: He was he was an interesting cat in that you

807
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 5: really couldn't get a good feel for Eddie because he

808
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 5: was he was. He was high a lot of times,

809
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 5: you know, he was. He was like, you know, an

810
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 5: amazing guitar player, maggot brains, that's Eddie, you know, right, Hazel.

811
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 5: And but he was he he I mean, I I

812
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 5: just smoke weed, but he smoked weed. You know I

813
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 5: know what that means. You go back, yes, so, but

814
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 5: but he was cool, I mean real cool, real cool brother.

815
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: But so you're saying that Eddie Hazel once potentially had

816
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: a deal on Motown Records that fell through. M hm.

817
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 5: I don't know if it fell through because they were

818
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 5: they you know, Eddie Jeffrey was producing it. And then

819
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 5: we were working because after I came, like I said,

820
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 5: Tammy came and got me because she wanted me to

821
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 5: do this. She was she was contracting the backgrounds or

822
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 5: that they were doing. So I went in and did

823
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 5: the sessions. Me, Tammy, this girl Kathy James, I forget

824
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 5: I think that was the name. And we went in

825
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 5: and did the session. And then after after we got

826
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 5: done with the tunes and stuff, Jeffrey Cone Jeffrey Bowen

827
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 5: came to me. He said, you know, man, I love

828
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 5: your vocals. I loved it. This is going to be

829
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 5: a self contained situation, so you know, I'd love for

830
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 5: you to be a part of It's going to be you,

831
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 5: Tammy and the girl that we were working with. And

832
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 5: I said, cool, you know that's that's great. He said,

833
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 5: I can get you in. He said, we can start

834
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 5: working on the contracts, you know, but I can get

835
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 5: you into the union tomorrow, right and said, I said, cool, Okay.

836
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 5: So the next day I joined after you know what

837
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 5: I'm saying, and all the checks and we started and

838
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 5: it was like I wasn't contracted yet, you know. So

839
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 5: if you're an uncontracted artist, you have to get paid

840
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 5: from the time you walk into the studio the time

841
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 5: you walk out of the studio. So Jeffrey would book

842
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 5: book the time for like eight o'clock, you know, in

843
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 5: the evening. He wouldn't show up for whatever reasons, I

844
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 5: don't know, until midnight, and then we would work till about,

845
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 5: you know, about four or five o'clock in the morning,

846
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 5: so that's like nine hours you know, at about one

847
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 5: hundred and thirty hundred and forty whatever the scale was

848
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 5: at that time if you were doing a solo or

849
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 5: you know.

850
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: Inflation inflation count it's a lot of money, bill, it's

851
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: a lot of money, a.

852
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 3: Lot of money right there.

853
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 5: So that sound like that, yeah, So, like you know,

854
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 5: but then after about working about a couple of months,

855
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 5: you know, started getting kind of flaky, you know what

856
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 5: I'm saying, kind of shaky as far as like the

857
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 5: checks we weren't reflecting the time that we you know

858
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 5: that we were in the studio and so then I

859
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 5: called him me. I took my lady. I took my

860
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 5: lady to work. She worked at you know, like I said,

861
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 5: for dying down at the Souldichrained Dance studios up in

862
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 5: West Hollywood, and I took her, dropped her off of work,

863
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 5: told her, I'm going to the Motown Building and have

864
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 5: a meeting. Right. So, I'm sitting in a meeting on

865
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 5: the fifteenth floor and I'm like, you know, y'all giving

866
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 5: me the Motown running around, blah blah blah blah blah

867
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 5: blah blah, you know, blah blah, getting all this stuff

868
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 5: off my chest. And the phone rings, right, and this

869
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 5: Angelo Bond was his co producer. Angelo answers the phone

870
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 5: and he looks at me and he says, it's for you.

871
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 5: I said, it's for me. I said, if it's my lady,

872
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 5: tell her I'll call her. I'll call her back, right.

873
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 5: He said, well, not a lady. And it sounds like

874
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 5: it's long distance. That was before cell phones. When you

875
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 5: hear the crackling on the phone, right launch he said, you.

876
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: Know, it's nine dollars a minute, he said.

877
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 5: He said, it's not a lady, it's a guy. And

878
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 5: it sounds like it's long distance. So I take the

879
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 5: phone and it's Jeffrey. Right. They were in New York

880
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 5: at the time, in the middle of this promotional tour

881
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 5: whatever it was that they got into an argument about.

882
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 5: I never he said, he told me some I forget

883
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 5: exactly what it was because I wasn't interested in why

884
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 5: with this was happening. It's like, what are you? What

885
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 5: are we getting to as far as like this phone call,

886
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 5: and he said that you know that Jerald Brown, that

887
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 5: Gerald said, Hey, when y'all can see it my way,

888
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 5: give me a call. And he jumps on the plane

889
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 5: and leaves. Oh, they're in the middle of a promotional tour.

890
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 5: You did, and so like he says, I know, you

891
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 5: know because they Mavericks Flat. All the soul trained people

892
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 5: used to come down to Mavericks Flat all the time.

893
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 5: I first I first met Jeffery and Jody before Shallamar

894
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 5: at Mavericks Flat, right, and say, so they used to

895
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 5: come there and they used to show They used to

896
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 5: see the show that I did with Beverly Hills there, right,

897
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 5: all this three degrees of separation is crazy, you know

898
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. So they saw the show Jeffrey Before,

899
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 5: before Shala Maar resisted, Jeffrey had told me, man, I

900
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 5: love your vocals. I said, I love your dancing. Man,

901
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 5: you and Jodie. I used to watch them before I

902
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 5: even left Ohio on soul train. I see them dancing. Wow,

903
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 5: that's great, that's great. So he says, I know we

904
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 5: you know we, I know, you know that we formed

905
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 5: Shalamar blah blah blah. We got to take that to

906
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 5: the bank out there when in the middle of promotional tour,

907
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 5: we want to offer you an equal position in the group,

908
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 5: you know, as lead singer. And I said, I said, well, okay.

909
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 5: Then he told me all this stuff, and then he says,

910
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 5: you're at the Motown building, right, I said yeah. He

911
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 5: said where are you. I'm up on the fifteenth floor.

912
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 5: He said, well, so Large's offices are down on the

913
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 5: ninth floor in the same building. And we talked to

914
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 5: and we already talked to Dick Griffy and he he's

915
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 5: waiting for you to, you know, for you to get

916
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 5: in touch with him. So like, you know, so he

917
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 5: talked a little while longer. I get off the phone

918
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 5: and I tell Jeffrey Bowen and I tell angelabaum, what

919
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 5: to do? No, I said what? And then the Dan

920
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 5: angel says, man, Chellamar is just a fly by night

921
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 5: disco group. They'll never amount to anything. And then you

922
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 5: don't want to get involved with Solar that you're You're

923
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 5: you got the potential to be with Motown, you know.

924
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 5: And then Jeffrey started talking some stuff. And when things

925
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 5: like that happen, I have a tendency just kind of

926
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 5: sit back, and ever since I was a kid, if

927
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 5: I if I had to think, you know, I want

928
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 5: to sit back and take in everything that they're saying.

929
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 5: So I'm listening and when they get done, I said, well,

930
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 5: my car is parked on the street. I need to

931
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 5: go put some money in the middle.

932
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 2: No.

933
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 5: I went down to the ninth floor, got in, talked

934
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 5: to Dick. This was on a Friday, right, and and

935
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 5: Dick reiterated what Jeffrey the offer Jeffrey made and uh,

936
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 5: I said, I told him. I said, no, I'm really interested.

937
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 5: I said, but I got to give these people upstairs

938
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 5: a chance to rectify themselves, because even though I didn't

939
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 5: have contracts, my words was still you know, worth word contract, right.

940
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 5: So I called them and told them, look, I'm gonna

941
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 5: be home. If you guys want to rectify this thing,

942
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 5: let me know, call me right And so all night

943
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 5: Friday night nobody called. Saturday morning, I called Dick and

944
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 5: I went over to his house, watched the videotape of

945
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 5: the Shalomar Show. And then I was sitting in this

946
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 5: rocking chair, right, I remember, I was watching the show,

947
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 5: was sitting this rock and said, the show goes off,

948
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 5: and Dick says, well, sing something, you know. Jeffer and

949
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 5: Joey say, you're a great singer. Sing something. I said,

950
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 5: I said, right here, I compel them.

951
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: You know.

952
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 5: He said yeah. And I said to myself, I say, well, lord,

953
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 5: you know me and you so I broke in. I

954
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 5: broke in the field of Fire by Peebo Bryce. I

955
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 5: compel them something that to me, you know, and yeah,

956
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 5: And got through the first verse half the and Dick says, okay, okay, okay,

957
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 5: I'll be right back. He goes upstairs, comes back down.

958
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 5: He has like, goes in one pocket. He has some cash.

959
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 5: He said, here's some cash, you know, leave with your

960
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 5: old lady. Pay some bills. And he went in the

961
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 5: other pocket and brought out an airline ticket and that

962
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,720
Speaker 5: was pre nine to eleven. I could ride on your ticket.

963
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 5: You know, I could ride up right on my head right,

964
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 5: I could ride. You didn't have to have a specific name.

965
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 5: He said, here's an airline ticket. You got to be

966
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 5: on the red Eye out tonight. Meet the group of

967
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 5: New Jersey tomorrow, as they moved from New York to

968
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 5: New Jersey, he said, Meet the group of New Jersey tomorrow.

969
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 5: He said, because and go over the lift sync and

970
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 5: the choreography of take That to the Bank, he said,

971
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 5: because Monday you got a TV show to do. And

972
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 5: I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, being from Ohio,

973
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 5: think about Ohio? Is that the prereconsist as far as

974
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 5: our being from a house. You got to be cool

975
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 5: about everything, you know what I'm saying. So like, I'm like, okay, okay,

976
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 5: you think you can handle it. Oh sure, I can

977
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 5: handle it. Side, I'm like, I got a job.

978
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 4: Well, I would have asked, what was Dick Griffy Like, man,

979
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 4: it's been about let me experience.

980
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 2: Let me add on to that.

981
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: Fonte Howard, We've we've asked at least seven people this

982
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: question and they kind of glide by the situation. Okay,

983
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: I know, I know the brother's not here right now,

984
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: but can you give us a real, real in quotations

985
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 1: Dick Griffy's situation.

986
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 5: Uh, he did. Dick was was a very should I say,

987
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 5: complex character in certain ways, but very direct in other ways.

988
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 5: And as far as like you know, he used a

989
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 5: lot of under the thumb type of tactics to keep things,

990
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 5: you know, in in tact as far as his so

991
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 5: but that was his thing, that was how, that was

992
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 5: where he came from. For uh, for instance, all.

993
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: Right, all right without without you compromising your position, were

994
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: there any buildings with balconies on them office from nine

995
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: to five?

996
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 5: I don't think that happened with Dick, you know, with

997
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 5: the five heartbeat situations, you know. But but I've heard

998
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 5: of certain situations with other characters of who we won't

999
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 5: you know, going to right now also doing that whole.

1000
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,919
Speaker 5: But I don't think Dick ever ever did that type

1001
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 5: of thing. But he was he was, he was you know,

1002
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 5: he was a gangst gangster type of cat, you know.

1003
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 5: And and but he respected if you stood up for

1004
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 5: what you you know, stood for you know.

1005
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 3: Five minutes the first time you stuttered, huh five minutes.

1006
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:53,720
Speaker 3: We've been talking.

1007
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 5: It's the first time because because you want to be

1008
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 5: because I.

1009
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 2: Be careful, I get it.

1010
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 3: I guess respectful.

1011
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 5: I get it. Yeah, because you want to be because

1012
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 5: because I have, I have much respect for it. Because Dick,

1013
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 5: thank god, you know, Dick was a vehicle that was

1014
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 5: chosen to get my foot in the door, you know

1015
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. And as long as you you know,

1016
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 5: once you get your foot in the door, it's up

1017
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 5: to you to put to open up the door and

1018
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 5: get in there. So like, you know, I appreciate the

1019
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 5: the opportunity that Dick presented to me and and and

1020
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 5: respected him, you know, immensely and missing dearly now. But

1021
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 5: you know, I mean we had our drag knockdown, drag

1022
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 5: out fights, man, and and it was like, you know,

1023
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 5: when if I felt something and if I felt this

1024
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 5: was not the way that this should be, he really

1025
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 5: he really didn't like me going out and and working

1026
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,439
Speaker 5: with people like Quincy, working with people like uh other

1027
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 5: other producers and stuff, because then I could see, you know,

1028
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,959
Speaker 5: how it's really supposed to be done and.

1029
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: How and how the real business looked like.

1030
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 5: The business was supposed to be done. And he didn't

1031
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 5: like for me to do that. But I was going

1032
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 5: to do that. I went out and worked with Stanley

1033
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 5: when I work with George, you know, yeah, and all

1034
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 5: those and and like I said, Quincy and you know,

1035
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 5: so I could see how that whole thing was supposed

1036
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 5: to go down, you know, and as far as financially

1037
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 5: everything is concerned.

1038
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 8: So it's kind of like a you feel like it's

1039
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 8: kind of like a learning process that he was the

1040
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 8: beginning of the learning process, because I was wondering when

1041
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 8: you got excited about getting a job and everything, at

1042
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 8: that moment, you don't wonder, well, what do I have

1043
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 8: any say in the songs that we sang? And you know,

1044
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 8: like all the business stuff that like in retrospect you

1045
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 8: may have, but at the same time.

1046
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: You didn't have it at that time.

1047
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, at first, at first, I didn't want to

1048
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 5: have any sales far as concerned, because because my whole

1049
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 5: thing was like, I want to learn, I want to

1050
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 5: look at it. I'm not I don't want to come

1051
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 5: here and act like I know what I'm doing because

1052
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 5: I had never been in a recording a real recording

1053
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 5: studio at all up to that point, you know, like

1054
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 5: you know, and and and Leon Silver's you know, like

1055
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 5: you know, it was like a learning process. I saw

1056
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 5: how he worked, I saw how his uh, his crew work,

1057
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 5: his cruel writers, Will Shelby, Kevin Spencer, and I would

1058
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 5: sit back a lot of times. I was back. The

1059
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 5: first song that I really participated on and in participated

1060
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 5: in writing and felt comfortable enough to present it to

1061
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 5: them as far as writing was concerned, was for the

1062
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 5: lover in you, you know, and so yeah, so like

1063
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 5: you know that was me and Dana Myers and like so,

1064
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 5: I mean we had a thing where were reprint presented

1065
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 5: to the people to his his cruel, his stable writers

1066
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 5: and stuff, and they would say veto you know or

1067
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 5: so you know, it was like it was it was

1068
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 5: a learning process for me. I didn't want to jump

1069
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 5: in there. I know, I want to write down.

1070
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 3: I want a lesson that a lot of the youth here.

1071
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:03,439
Speaker 3: So that's why I want you to tell.

1072
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: So let me let me ask them so with So

1073
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: your first album with is big fun correct? I got

1074
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: it Okay. When I was the kids like, oh the

1075
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:18,919
Speaker 1: Dolphin record.

1076
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 5: It would they would killer wells.

1077
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: I thought there was dolphins too.

1078
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 5: Black Actually, the barrels that we were sitting on and

1079
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 5: they're superimposed.

1080
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 2: Barrels.

1081
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: Okay, the classic moment, So with barrels, okay, with Big Fun. Yeah,

1082
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: So walk us through the process of one. Like by

1083
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: this point when you're doing Big Fun, how long have

1084
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:56,919
Speaker 1: you been in the group? What's your Gelling situation? Now

1085
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: complete disclosure. I'm probably the only human being on earth

1086
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: that has not seen Unsung. I've heard it might have

1087
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: been a tense episode. I don't know, so I'm kind

1088
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: of asking you this, you know, from the total naivete

1089
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: of not knowing what the situation was, But what was

1090
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: How long was it before after that New Jersey first

1091
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: gig with him, until you started recording Big Fun, And

1092
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: what was the Gelling situation? Like with you, Jeffrey and Jody.

1093
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 5: It was, you know because when we first when I

1094
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 5: first got there, we were like thrown together, you know,

1095
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 5: when I first got to Jersey and we were, you know,

1096
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 5: we I was in all day Sunday, I was in

1097
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 5: a I forget. It was either Josie's room or Jeffrey's room.

1098
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 5: I forget. But it was crammed into you know, like

1099
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 5: learning the lip sync. I studied the lip sync, you

1100
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 5: know while I was flying across country, and and then

1101
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 5: learning the choreography because I'm used to sing and I

1102
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 5: used to I'm not used to dancing. I'm a singer, right,

1103
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 5: so you know that choreography. And so then we got

1104
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 5: that together, and then we continued on from the rest

1105
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:17,439
Speaker 5: of that promotional tour, which if I'm getting I'm trying

1106
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 5: to get it. I'm at that point now where I'm

1107
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 5: even trying to get the timelines together because I'm I'm

1108
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 5: writing a book. I want to write my book, you know,

1109
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 5: so I need to get these timelines together myself. So

1110
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 5: when I got I think I got there in New Jersey,

1111
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 5: it had to been winter time because I had to

1112
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 5: I had to buy an overcoat because I didn't have

1113
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 5: an overcoat. So I went to this this clothing store

1114
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,439
Speaker 5: in New Jersey thing it was called Heaven on Earth

1115
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 5: or something like that, and and bought this overcoat, you know.

1116
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 5: So so that was so it had to been like

1117
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 5: about maybe November, November, September, October, November, December time. And

1118
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 5: then We've finished up that promotional tour at the Copa Cabana,

1119
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 5: you know, in New York. And then as soon as

1120
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 5: we flew back to back to La which was the

1121
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 5: beginning of seventy nine, I believe, because it was seventy eight. Yeah,

1122
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 5: the beginning of seventy nine. We started immediately recording the

1123
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 5: Big Fun album, went in and started putting that whole

1124
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 5: whole thing together, and it took us. It took us,

1125
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 5: you know, four or five six months or so, four

1126
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 5: or five months or so to do the whole album

1127
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 5: and then put then we put, so we went, So

1128
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 5: that takes us into towards the end of seventy nine,

1129
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 5: you know, the middle mid towards the end of seventy nine,

1130
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 5: and then put Second time Around out there, and Second

1131
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 5: Time Around at first was kind of creeping up the charts,

1132
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. But it wasn't It wasn't

1133
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 5: until we did a remix that back then, that's when

1134
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 5: remixes were real big, you know what I'm saying. So, yeah,

1135
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 5: twelve instance and sof so, I forget who did the remix.

1136
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 5: We did a remix on it, put it out there,

1137
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 5: and then it like screamed up the charts. So like

1138
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 5: that was towards the end of seventy nine into eighty,

1139
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. So it was like from

1140
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 5: that time. Then we had a hit record in eighty Wow.

1141
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: Can you describe what working with Leon Silvers is?

1142
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 5: Like?

1143
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: Do you have any do you have any big friend

1144
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: Lewis stories to go with it?

1145
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 2: And I'm playing.

1146
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 5: It was like I know that at one point, you know,

1147
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 5: because Leon is like a stickler for backgrounds and stuff

1148
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 5: like that. I mean, just like stickler for backgrounds. And

1149
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 5: like I remember going in there one time and there

1150
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 5: was a part I was supposed to be doing that day,

1151
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 5: and like he we started out, I could tell it

1152
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 5: was gonna be one of those days. We're like, that's good,

1153
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 5: it sounds great, Let's do it again. Uh, And then

1154
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 5: he's like you know, and and that after about after

1155
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,439
Speaker 5: about forty five minutes, so I said, Lee, I said, man,

1156
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 5: I can't do this today. They'll start a getting tomorrow. Man.

1157
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 5: He was.

1158
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 2: He was just a test actually, Like all right.

1159
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 5: I mean I mean phrasing, you know, And when you

1160
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 5: talk about Howard Hewitt sound, I would give a big

1161
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 5: portion of that. The kudos up to Leon for helping

1162
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 5: me develop the Howard Hewitt sound. You know, I had

1163
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 5: my sound, you know, going from the natural to the Falls,

1164
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 5: you know, before I left out Ohio you know, when

1165
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 5: I was a kid, I developed that in my mom's

1166
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 5: bathroom with all the all the tile and everything, with

1167
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 5: the you know, built in reverb that you got in

1168
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 5: the bathroom. So I developed that natural going into the

1169
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 5: falls back then. But he helped me develop that other

1170
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 5: like staying like Stickler as far as phrasing is concerned,

1171
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 5: you know, looking that at every nuanced all those ad

1172
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 5: libs that you think are ad lives on there on

1173
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 5: those there ain't no ad libs. We we thought that

1174
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 5: stuff out, you know what I'm saying. He put it there,

1175
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 5: put it here, put it there.

1176
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1177
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 8: Do you remember like a moment of time when that

1178
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 8: when that happened, when you thought, all right, I don't

1179
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 8: know about this.

1180
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 3: But like no, you gotta you gotta do that.

1181
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 5: And it worked, but oh yeah, worked every time. But

1182
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 5: like those type of things were like are you sure

1183
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 5: that's that's that's gonna work in there? You know yeah,

1184
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 5: and that poomomoom boom, and it just fell right in

1185
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 5: places like but do.

1186
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 4: You have any memories of recording because like two of

1187
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 4: my favorite shadow my songs of all time over and

1188
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 4: over and let's find the Time for Love, Remember those.

1189
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 5: Sessions yeah, I remember over and over like it was

1190
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 5: like yesterday, because that was when I was the only

1191
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 5: one in the group basically, you know, Jeffrey and Jody

1192
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 5: had already split. So like at that time I wanted

1193
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 5: to do I wanted to do my solo thing. But

1194
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 5: Dick says, well, you know, you still got two and

1195
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 5: a half three years left on this contract, so you

1196
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 5: either got it. You're either gonna do it, you know,

1197
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 5: go you just sit around and ride it out, go

1198
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 5: to Court, you know, or move to England or wherever

1199
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 5: where Jeffrey and Joey moved to. Well else you can

1200
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 5: do another you know, another album. And so of course

1201
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 5: I hate Court. I don't like Court. You know, Court

1202
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 5: is like of course, like the Court's like a nightmare Vegas.

1203
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, You're just doing to you

1204
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 5: don't know what's happening. So so like you know, but

1205
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 5: we recorded that over and over at that time, did

1206
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 5: the video and that whole thing that was when in

1207
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 5: the videos like Me and Mickey Free, you know me

1208
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 5: Mickey and Leonne in that video, and and Let's Time

1209
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 5: Let's find the Time for love? Was that the song

1210
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 5: you said, Let's time.

1211
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 2: That's it.

1212
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Let's find a Time for Love?

1213
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not on the look is it?

1214
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 5: Is it? Yeah?

1215
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 2: That was was that?

1216
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 4: I think that was on three for Love let me

1217
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 4: let me hold them let me Yeah?

1218
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it wasn't. It was on Friends.

1219
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 5: No, I think it's going on uh fante.

1220
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 1: Let me find out that you're a fan of go

1221
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: for It, yo, like on the loaf, like you bullshit

1222
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:30,479
Speaker 1: you deep cut cat col Dog Hey man, I rocked

1223
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: that album. Yo, here you go man, all right?

1224
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 5: Was finding Time for Love? That wasn't on Go for It?

1225
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 1: Wasn't that was? It wasn't Friends. I mean what that was.

1226
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 5: For love? It's just a beautiful song, man, just.

1227
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: It really it is.

1228
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 2: I love that record.

1229
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 4: Do you remember recording it? Do you remember like recording

1230
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 4: that joint or like that session.

1231
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't really really remember anything that stuck

1232
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 5: out in my mind about recording except that it was

1233
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 5: just a nod boom boom damn.

1234
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 2: Now I'm looking for it.

1235
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1236
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 5: And the thing and the thing that that really that

1237
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 5: really stood out to me as far as that song

1238
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 5: was concerned, also was just the combination of me and

1239
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 5: Jody Widley. Man, it was like.

1240
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: It was on Big Fun. It was on Big Fun,

1241
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 1: Big Fun.

1242
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 5: It was the first album. Yeah, I think that was

1243
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 5: the first time we really realized the magic that the

1244
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 5: combination of our of our voices really projected out there.

1245
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 5: It was it was you know them. The timbre of

1246
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 5: her voice and my voice together even on the background

1247
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 5: situation was like, amazing, amazing.

1248
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: That's a gorgeous song man, a great performance by all Right.

1249
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily want you to throw him under the rug,

1250
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: but can you answer two questions for me? Because you know,

1251
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: I just gotta know because again, like it's also my

1252
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: perception of Shalamar coming from a ten year old. But

1253
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: every time I turn around, like Jeffrey Daniel had a

1254
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: guitar in his hand, but I don't recall him playing guitar.

1255
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 2: Was he always air guitaring?

1256
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 5: Well, he was air guitar sometimes. But you know he

1257
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 5: knows how to play. You know, he really stuck to

1258
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 5: it and he really he can he can play it now.

1259
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. He really knows how to

1260
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 5: play now.

1261
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 2: And that's him singing on pop Along Kid.

1262
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's him singing on a long Kid.

1263
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I get I get it.

1264
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 1: Okay, No, I just wanted to make sure I didn't

1265
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: know if that was him, that was you, if he

1266
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 1: was giving much singing duties or not. Okay, now from

1267
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: from one from one too impossible? How hard were they

1268
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: on the choreography front of things, because you guys, you

1269
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,759
Speaker 1: guys really had a together.

1270
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 2: You know.

1271
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: It's almost like I wish it was five of you

1272
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: because you guys were doing shit. That's like, for a

1273
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: listeners out there, if you if you can, if you

1274
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,799
Speaker 1: could demo, if you could demo, if you could google.

1275
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,759
Speaker 2: A song called Shoe Shoe Shine by.

1276
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: The Dynamics Superiors, in my opinion, is one of the

1277
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:16,839
Speaker 1: greatest performances ever on Soul Train, in which they literally

1278
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,719
Speaker 1: act out every word that's saying, like, this is past

1279
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,639
Speaker 1: Charlie Atkins, this is past Brook Payne as far as

1280
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: choreography is concerned. But yeah, I was saying that the

1281
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 1: choreography that you guys had, even if you say like

1282
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 1: I'm not a dancer, somehow, in my mind I just

1283
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: always walked away with like, Schallamar really had great, polished choreography,

1284
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: Like how hard were how hard? And like how much

1285
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 1: time did you guys spend on those routines.

1286
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 5: Spending a lot of time on the routines Jody. Jody

1287
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 5: was really instrumental as far as like putting together a

1288
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 5: lot of routines. Jeffrey would throw his his his situation

1289
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 5: in there a lot, and I at fir. I mean,

1290
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,759
Speaker 5: I was just you know, because one of the things

1291
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 5: that that I was concerned about was the fact that

1292
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 5: I sing, and when you sing, it is like you

1293
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 5: got to breathe, and you got and you're breathing if

1294
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 5: you're out of breath, you know what I'm saying. And

1295
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 5: so that's when I, you know, I did the I

1296
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 5: did the choreography and went through the quote. But I

1297
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 5: told them, let's make be conscientious of the fact that

1298
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 5: I'm singing. You know what I'm saying. You got you know,

1299
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 5: you guys, I'm saying, I'm singing, I got to hit

1300
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 5: those notes that I created on those albums and all

1301
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 5: that kind of stuff. So you know, so that's yeah,

1302
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 5: like you you know, and then then get it, you

1303
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. So you know, it was like

1304
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 5: then we started being I think we started being conscientious.

1305
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 5: They started being conscientious of that, and that's when the

1306
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 5: whole situation of like, you know, there's in choreography a

1307
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 5: lot of times less is more, you know what I'm saying.

1308
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 5: And the human mind, the human brain can only just

1309
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 5: take so much, you know. So I would rather people

1310
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 5: walk away from a concert saying, man, you remember when

1311
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 5: they did this thing together, boom boom, boom boom. They

1312
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 5: were together, and then Howard broke off and they broke on,

1313
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 5: and then they came back and did it together. And

1314
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,600
Speaker 5: so I would rather that than a whole bunch of

1315
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 5: stuff that they're not really gonna remember anyway. And so

1316
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 5: Jeffrey and Jody were on it, Jeffrey's whole backsliding thing

1317
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 5: that he had. Eventually, he's the one that taught Michael

1318
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 5: how to do that, and Michael named it the moonwalk.

1319
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 5: Jeff taught him how to do that. So but at

1320
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 5: the you know, during the show, we would play the

1321
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 5: song called what was it called I Forget It? But

1322
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 5: it was first first part of writing the Socket. It's

1323
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 5: called writing the Socket, yeah, yeah, And we and they

1324
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 5: were being in the band would break down into this

1325
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 5: funky groove and me and Jody would be on one

1326
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 5: side of stage right and Jeffrey be all the way

1327
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 5: on the other side of the stage, and Jody and

1328
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 5: I would pull this imaginary rope right and pull it

1329
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 5: and boom like that, and Jeffrey would backslide all the

1330
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 5: way across the stage. Man First, all people on the

1331
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 5: on the floor. It's guaranteed they're standing up because they

1332
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 5: think he's on like a conveyor belt. That's how until that.

1333
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 5: From that point on, we could do anything. We would

1334
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 5: do it. It was on. It was on.

1335
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 1: So do you have any do you have any knowledge

1336
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: of because I know that Jeffrey was also trying to

1337
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 1: get another group off the ground, the one that with

1338
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 1: Casper Cooley and Casper like his other dancers there was

1339
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 1: there was like I think it was like a singing

1340
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: group whatever. I assume that he was trying to bring

1341
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: them through the solar channel. Did anything ever happen.

1342
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 5: To that project, I'm not sure. I remember Casper and

1343
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 5: Cooley though definitely Casper and Cooley actually went over first

1344
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 5: because we were we were going overseas for a promotional

1345
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 5: thing for about six weeks, so that's when Michael wanted

1346
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 5: to learn the backslide. So first Cap and Coley, Crassperan

1347
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 5: Cooley went over there to try and teach it to him,

1348
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 5: but for some reason he couldn't grasp it from them.

1349
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 5: So when we came back from uh, from the promotional tour,

1350
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 5: that's when Jeffrey went over and taught him how to

1351
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 5: do Okay, but I think the the group was called, uh,

1352
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 5: what was the what's the name of the group? I

1353
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 5: forget to forget.

1354
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 2: I'm forgetting. Yeah, I'm a blink right now.

1355
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 5: It's a it's a It was a dance group basically,

1356
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 5: and yeah, and like I don't know whether Jeffrey was

1357
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 5: trying to make it into a singing group too and

1358
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 5: maybe bring it to Dick or whatever, but nothing really

1359
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 5: came of it.

1360
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:51,839
Speaker 2: Okay.

1361
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 1: So at the time when second time Around becomes a

1362
01:13:56,680 --> 01:14:02,759
Speaker 1: big ass hit and it's definitely established that you're in

1363
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 1: in a you know, a well established group that's not

1364
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: going to have to struggle at least in our eyes,

1365
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you made it right out the box.

1366
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 2: How different does your life change?

1367
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 5: Like?

1368
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:23,599
Speaker 1: What is it to be a young successful blackmail with

1369
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 1: a hit group? In Los Angeles, California nineteen.

1370
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 5: Eighty goopies were crazy, you know, but.

1371
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: Wet ass pussy did you just say that?

1372
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 8: And it made so much sense between me and Steven Howard,

1373
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 8: and I'm afraid the resid or feeling there too.

1374
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:49,520
Speaker 3: I just don't know if every was there to really.

1375
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: Leading out of context, leave it out in context. They

1376
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 1: just trust me, listeners. The conversation was had earlier.

1377
01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 5: But but in a sense that was one of the

1378
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 5: changes because you know, I had dealt with with the

1379
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 5: whole groupie thing since I was like, you know, young,

1380
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 5: very young, Like even in the gospel situation there you

1381
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 5: had your gospel groupies, you know, and when.

1382
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 4: I, oh, yeah that's what they was holy from the

1383
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:17,679
Speaker 4: waste stuff.

1384
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 5: Man would think, you know, the Lord told me to

1385
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 5: give this to you. Okay, you know so, But but

1386
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 5: then you know, and then I had, you know, when

1387
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 5: I when I went into the R and B situation

1388
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,959
Speaker 5: back in back in Ohio, we had our our fans

1389
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 5: that follow us around and then going overseas with the

1390
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 5: group with Beverly Hills, you know yeah yeah, foreign, yeah,

1391
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 5: foreign situation. When I get with the group, I'm like,

1392
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 5: you know, I'm like, man, I got this down. This

1393
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 5: is like I've been dealing with this for a long time.

1394
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 5: There ain't nothing like hit record groupies. Hit record groups

1395
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 5: are the ones that like you know, you can all

1396
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:02,680
Speaker 5: of a sudden it's like, oh, how did you get

1397
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 5: in here? You know? And so you know it that

1398
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 5: after a couple of years of that, that really made

1399
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:15,480
Speaker 5: me look at that whole thing and and look and see, uh,

1400
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 5: you know, that's not something I really want to deal

1401
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 5: with as far as that's concerned, because it's not like

1402
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 5: they know me. They just know what they think about me.

1403
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 5: They knew me, they might not even like me, so

1404
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 5: like so that so I ended that whole thing that

1405
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 5: was That was a change in my life. But you know,

1406
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 5: as far as the responsibility, I think you started getting

1407
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 5: at least I did, anyway, started getting a sense of

1408
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:43,639
Speaker 5: responsibility of what you're saying because you know that people

1409
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 5: are really listening to you, you know what I'm saying,

1410
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 5: and it's like and that's with that comes responsibility. It's like,

1411
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 5: you know, I got to like I said, I came

1412
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 5: from I came from a whole housefuld of women, you know,

1413
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 5: like my mom, my mom, four sisters, and then me

1414
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:04,639
Speaker 5: and my dad were the only testosterone, you know, walking

1415
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 5: around there for about three or four years until my

1416
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 5: younger my younger brother came. But you know, but I

1417
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 5: always looked at that and that always kind of shaped

1418
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 5: what I would allow myself to, you know, to say

1419
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,639
Speaker 5: in my music and what I do and what I

1420
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:24,640
Speaker 5: and what I project and project as far as the

1421
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 5: music is concerned, so you know, but I mean it

1422
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 5: was it was because at the time, was we were

1423
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 5: only second time around was out there. I think it

1424
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 5: was like I think I was about twenty three, twenty

1425
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 5: three years ago, you know, so young. We were really

1426
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,679
Speaker 5: really young. Jeffrey's only like a couple of months older

1427
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 5: than I am, and Jody's like, I forget, like about

1428
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 5: three four years younger. But you know, we were young,

1429
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 5: you know when that whole thing went down, So it

1430
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 5: was it was a big adjustment and big adjustment.

1431
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: Is there any I mean not preparing you, but did

1432
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 1: it ever get to the point where, especially when you're

1433
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 1: young and impressionable, you have ideas of what starter was

1434
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 1: like like ah, there's a limousine and there's a bodyguard.

1435
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 1: But I mean, was there just ever a time when

1436
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 1: you just couldn't do something simple like just go to

1437
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 1: the seven eleven to get you know, that would stick

1438
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 1: of gum or something like that. Was it like that?

1439
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 2: Or was it just.

1440
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: Could you still have a personal life or was it

1441
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 1: like constantly being chased around and that sort of thing.

1442
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 5: Not being chased around. I think it was like, you know,

1443
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 5: here in the States, you had to realize you had

1444
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 5: to get a sense of where you could go and

1445
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 5: where you couldn't go. You dig It's like, you know,

1446
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 5: there's places, there's places that even now I won't go

1447
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 5: because I won't be it won't be you know, like

1448
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:55,640
Speaker 5: you want a piece, yeah, you're eating it was I

1449
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 5: don't mind, you know, autographs and stuff. That's the part

1450
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 5: you asked for it. You got it, Toyota, you know

1451
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. So that's a proper whole thing. But

1452
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 5: like you know, the place that was really difficult to

1453
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 5: get around was was in the UK once when it

1454
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:16,600
Speaker 5: when everything hit in the UK, because the UK is

1455
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,640
Speaker 5: so condensed, you know what I'm saying. I mean, the

1456
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:23,680
Speaker 5: whole the whole island is what Bobble's biggest California, but

1457
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 5: you got all kind of people in there and then

1458
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 5: and so once once we hit there, it was like,

1459
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 5: I mean, it was hit hit. Jeffrey went on top

1460
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 5: of the pops, did his thing. The next day. It

1461
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:38,720
Speaker 5: was like bam, it was crazy, and uh.

1462
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 1: Can you explain that situation? Because I've seen him do

1463
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:47,639
Speaker 1: uh night to remember where he's just pop locking by himself,

1464
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 1: and you know, even I went to live there for

1465
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 1: a couple of years and they still talk about like

1466
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 1: that being such a game changing moment. I know that

1467
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 1: Jeffrey also hosted, uh the this version of Souldiering Soultring

1468
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 1: six twenty or whatever it was called. But what was

1469
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: the situation that both you and Jody didn't make that

1470
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 1: promotional tour and Jeffrey just decided to pop lock and

1471
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 1: there Well to give you guys a backstory, I believe

1472
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: that the legend is that you guys were supposed to

1473
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 1: perform on top of the Pops, but something happened, so

1474
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: he decides, I'm just gonna pop lock and he does

1475
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,719
Speaker 1: the moon walk on the show, and suddenly you guys

1476
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: become instant make us celebrities.

1477
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 5: That's how I always say, whatever we were, whatever we

1478
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 5: are over there in the UK, I mean we still

1479
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 5: Jeffrey and I and Carolyn Griffy still tour over there now,

1480
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 5: and we out we've carved out a real niche out there,

1481
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 5: real good niche over there where we're doing festivals with

1482
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 5: sixty seventy thousand people over there is now you know

1483
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 5: so and but what happened was a right.

1484
01:20:58,240 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 2: Happened?

1485
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 5: Was it happened? Uh? We have been on the road

1486
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 5: so much. Also Jody was like pregnant with her first

1487
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 5: her first child or daughter, Lauren, and uh, and I

1488
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 5: was trying to piece together what little bit was left

1489
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 5: of my first marriage, you know, and which didn't happen.

1490
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 5: You know, it didn't work. But but we have been

1491
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 5: on the road so much for so long, we said,

1492
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 5: and at the time I can make you feel Good.

1493
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 5: There's another song that that me and get we wrote,

1494
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 5: we wrote together, and and I Can make You Feel

1495
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 5: Good came out over there. I can make you Feel

1496
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 5: Good blown up, you know, going up to charts, and

1497
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,680
Speaker 5: took so long for us to decide what we were

1498
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 5: going to do. By time he got there, I Can

1499
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 5: make You Feel Good had had fallen to number two,

1500
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 5: and Top Fox was the number was a program where

1501
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 5: they only did number one records on there, so so

1502
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 5: he couldn't do he couldn't do I Can make You

1503
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 5: Feel Good. But then somehow I forget what happened? They

1504
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 5: they arranged it so he could come back on there

1505
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 5: since he was all the way all the way over there,

1506
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 5: because it felt the number two on his way over there,

1507
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 5: you know, I know, so like like they said, you know,

1508
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 5: they said, well, you know, yo, we can get him

1509
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 5: on here. You can do you know, do a dance

1510
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 5: because he was going to do a dance thing to

1511
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 5: I Can make You Feel Good, But he ended up

1512
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 5: doing it.

1513
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 1: To a night remember, yes, and I.

1514
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 5: Think that was going to be the next single anyway

1515
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 5: or something like that. So he went on there, and

1516
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 5: and Top of the Pops is the type of show.

1517
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 5: It came on every Thursday, you know. And and if

1518
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 5: you went on Top of the Pops and and Kill Friday,

1519
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 5: you saw your album sales go go through the roof.

1520
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 5: That's how how how instantly impactful you know that that

1521
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 5: show was to the UK. So man, he went on there.

1522
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 5: They went crazy. Man, they went crazy. It was like

1523
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 5: it was like, you know, we couldn't we couldn't walk

1524
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 5: down the street Apps and then over there.

1525
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 1: You know, I was going to say that in some

1526
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 1: weird way, you guys, not going over there almost served

1527
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:24,759
Speaker 1: the group better because of that very specific Hey, guys,

1528
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if you. I don't know if you remember,

1529
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 1: but when Leon had did our show, he had mentioned

1530
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 1: a Shalamar video that.

1531
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 2: It's escaping me right now.

1532
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 1: But I went, I forget the title, but I went

1533
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 1: to actually look it up on YouTube, and I have

1534
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 1: to say it, it's probably in my mind.

1535
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 2: I thought the emergency.

1536
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 1: Video for the Whispers was the weirdest video from the

1537
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 1: Solar Cannon with him arguing inside of a phone booth.

1538
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 1: But you guys have a very it might have been

1539
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 1: for the song you just mentioned. It was like you

1540
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 1: were in a garden or do.

1541
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 5: You not remember in a garden?

1542
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 1: Like you were in a flower shop or something like that.

1543
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 5: It's like, I don't want to be the last to know.

1544
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 1: Yo, Okay, who conceptualized? Have you guys seen this video?

1545
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 2: Y'all?

1546
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 1: Now forget forget keep on love of me, forget all

1547
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 1: the weird videos that have come from Solar Records like this, chops,

1548
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 1: every God.

1549
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 2: Everything.

1550
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 1: I only I only wish I had a time machine

1551
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 1: to go back to Leon Silver's interview so we could

1552
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 1: talk about this video some war because I looked it

1553
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 1: up way after after we did the interview. What was

1554
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:54,799
Speaker 1: who conceptualized that videos?

1555
01:24:55,800 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 5: It's like it's like meats and had one of them

1556
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 5: flop hats on and something like that.

1557
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 1: It's like an anti bellum, Like what's going on in

1558
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 1: this video?

1559
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 5: I don't want to be the last, you know, if

1560
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 5: you're gone. Yeah, man, it was like that was back in.

1561
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 5: That was back We did three videos in the same day.

1562
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 3: Man, this was the last one.

1563
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 6: This time.

1564
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 5: I don't know who came up with their concept, because man.

1565
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 3: Wow, your hair looks great though.

1566
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:40,600
Speaker 5: I mean, but but it's just like, what was it

1567
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 5: the night to remember I think when Jeffrey was the

1568
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:49,679
Speaker 5: the waiter or the bar, he came out the closet

1569
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 5: and I'm like, oh, that's not cool.

1570
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that video was weird.

1571
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 1: But this, this, this takes.

1572
01:25:56,720 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 3: Me click this man, this white face the time.

1573
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 1: I wish the show had a visual component.

1574
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 4: Everybody looking at it now this this is the oddest thing.

1575
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 3: Yo.

1576
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 5: Man is crazy. Like I said, but we did three videos.

1577
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 5: I remember it was it's nice to remember I don't

1578
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 5: want to be the last. And this tune called work

1579
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 5: work it Out, work it out, you know, check out,

1580
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 5: work it out, work it out.

1581
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 1: Is like that that's even that's even crazy.

1582
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:28,759
Speaker 5: It's even weirder.

1583
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:32,559
Speaker 1: You know, so who directed these videos?

1584
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 5: Bill Parker, Jesus Christ.

1585
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 1: It's weird, You're right, I'm sorry, I'm like, you're looking

1586
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 1: at it right now.

1587
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 5: But work it out. Yes, we got balloons working out, yes, yes,

1588
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 5: and then the balloons go back.

1589
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 1: But I mean, but really though, I mean, those videos

1590
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 1: are weird.

1591
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 4: But I really, looking back at it, videos were really

1592
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 4: something that I think it took a lot of like

1593
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 4: black artists a while to figure out, you know what

1594
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:02,600
Speaker 4: I'm saying, like what it was because a lot of

1595
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 4: those like early age, I mean, they you could tell

1596
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 4: that they didn't know what the fuck to do, you

1597
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 4: know what I mean, you know what I'm saying. I mean,

1598
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 4: you look at it, don't look any further video, it's

1599
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 4: just like what.

1600
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 1: In the hell, you know what I mean?

1601
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:15,639
Speaker 5: Right right?

1602
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:20,759
Speaker 1: Uh, don't look any further video from Dennis Edwards inside.

1603
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I will.

1604
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 1: Admit, like you guys, the whole Solar Cannon, all the groups,

1605
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 1: including the Lakeside videos, and even though I'm coming like

1606
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 1: at least like the fact that you guys we're thinking

1607
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,759
Speaker 1: forward as far as the visual component that most groups

1608
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 1: weren't even thinking of back then. You know, so it's

1609
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 1: almost like and that probably explains I'm gonna get into Yeah,

1610
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 1: for the life of me, I don't even know how

1611
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:53,680
Speaker 1: you guys were successful in getting a deck giveaway on

1612
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,680
Speaker 1: MTV at a time when MTV was very slow to

1613
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 1: play back black videos. But wait, I do have a question.

1614
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 1: I gotta go to Charlene and Willis's theme. Please. Why

1615
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 1: wasn't somewhere There's a Love for Me ever released as

1616
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 1: a single.

1617
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:15,639
Speaker 5: Amazing song the way that people respond to it, man,

1618
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 5: you would single, You would think it was it was

1619
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 5: a single at some point because it's like they go crazy.

1620
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:25,919
Speaker 1: That Different Strokes episode, did y'all justice?

1621
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 2: Like that's you.

1622
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 1: Know, for those who don't know, you know, when Janet

1623
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,639
Speaker 1: Jackson first was on Different Strokes like that was her

1624
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 1: and will in Todd Bridge's song on on on that show.

1625
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 5: So I didn't. I didn't know that, you know, I

1626
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 5: didn't know that.

1627
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 1: You never knew that.

1628
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 5: I never knew that. I didn't I never really watched

1629
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 5: Different Strokes that much.

1630
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 1: But song placement, man, song again, I was a ten

1631
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 1: year old, so it's like, you know, can you explain

1632
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: why me being aware of what you guys's records were

1633
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 1: as they came out. I do remember being very shocked

1634
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 1: and surprised when Gofert was just like in the record

1635
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 1: Ben and I was like, well, wait, where's the single

1636
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:10,760
Speaker 1: at how how come? Like I almost felt like it

1637
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 1: was just put out there. It was just arbitrarily like

1638
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:17,799
Speaker 1: what was was go for a bunch of throwaway songs?

1639
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 5: Or it was it was there was we were going, Uh,

1640
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 5: Solar was going from r c A Distribution to Electure Distribution,

1641
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:31,600
Speaker 5: to complete, to complete their obligation to r c A

1642
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 5: each group on the on the on the Solar label

1643
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 5: old r c A. Another another album, one more album

1644
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 5: and then we could then Solar could move on to

1645
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 5: Electure Distribution. So it was like it was we called

1646
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 5: we used to call it the throwaway album. But on

1647
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 5: that album you had you had Sweeter as the Days

1648
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:57,680
Speaker 5: Go By, you had you know, uh, this talk to Me,

1649
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 5: which was which was like a crazy crazy things. James

1650
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 5: and I did a song on there called you Got

1651
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 5: Me Right, you know, one of those urgency things you know,

1652
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 5: and and but that's what it was. We used to

1653
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 5: call it the throwaway album, you know, And that was

1654
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 5: because we had to fulfill the obligation to h rca

1655
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:24,519
Speaker 5: disabusing company and so that they can move on to

1656
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 5: the electric election.

1657
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 1: So at the time, though, and you know, like Thuraway albums,

1658
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 1: are you know, Frank Zappa was famous for it. Uh,

1659
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, Prince did cast and disorder. Like Thuraway albums,

1660
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 1: there's nothing new about it. But at the time, are

1661
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 1: you feeling like, well, we do have a are you

1662
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 1: thinking about it in terms of legacy, Like, well, I

1663
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to just put a stinker out

1664
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 1: there or something that doesn't have all this promotion or something,

1665
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 1: because you guys are basically releasing it knowing that it's

1666
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 1: going to be dead in the water anyway. But did

1667
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 1: you feel any sort of way about that as a group,

1668
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:01,880
Speaker 1: like we don't want to waste a shot, especially when

1669
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 1: we have this much momentum mmmm.

1670
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 5: We we really didn't think about that a lot because

1671
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 5: I guess we were depending on the guidance of the

1672
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 5: record company as far as that's concerned. You know, they said, Okay,

1673
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:16,799
Speaker 5: we're gonna do this, It's gonna be cool, blah blah blah,

1674
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 5: and like I said, some some uh sweeter as the

1675
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 5: days go by. That was that was a that was

1676
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:25,639
Speaker 5: a pretty you know turned out to be a pretty

1677
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 5: especially overseas, turned out to be a pretty popular song

1678
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 5: and stuff. So it wasn't it wasn't like we put

1679
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 5: it wasn't like if you listen to the album, wasn't

1680
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 5: like we put a stinker out there. There was some

1681
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 5: stuff on. There was some stuff.

1682
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 1: Sorry I didn't mean, but in terms of releasing it,

1683
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 1: knowing that you're just gonna go put all the energy

1684
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 1: in front of the friends album that's.

1685
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:49,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, in front of the album with the new

1686
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 5: distribution company. Now, I think we were you know again,

1687
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,640
Speaker 5: we were so we were still at that point, we

1688
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:58,640
Speaker 5: were still pretty young in the business, and like so

1689
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 5: we were we were depending if Dick said we're gonna

1690
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 5: put it with you know, get a throw Way album,

1691
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 5: lean I said, we're gonna do a throw Way album. Okay,

1692
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:08,719
Speaker 5: all right, cool, let's do. Let's get in there and work,

1693
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 5: you know.

1694
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 1: But I also noticed that this is the album that

1695
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 1: the three of you really got to contribute a lot

1696
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 1: of your personal songs to.

1697
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 5: It, right right, especially Jeffrey. Jeffrey did a lot of

1698
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 5: stuff on there.

1699
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 1: And so in your in your mind, like what's what's

1700
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:23,799
Speaker 1: your favorite album of v Shallamar Cannon.

1701
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 5: I think like I really dig Three for Love. I

1702
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 5: dig Three for Love because of the the politics of it.

1703
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:37,680
Speaker 5: And as far as because Lee Young Junior told me

1704
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 5: when I first got with the group, because up until

1705
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 5: that time, it was a lot of caricatures as far

1706
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:49,639
Speaker 5: as album covers concerned. You know, the Uptown Festival album

1707
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:53,959
Speaker 5: cover was a cartoon type of character, the disco gardens

1708
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 5: and Disco Guarden and and uh and and also you

1709
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 5: know even the big Fun album on those yeah and

1710
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:05,000
Speaker 5: stuff still you know, but Lee told me, man, you

1711
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 5: have to establish your faces as far as the group

1712
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 5: is concerned when people, you have to establish it so

1713
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:15,479
Speaker 5: that when people say Shalomar, they think of Howard, Jeffrey

1714
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:18,880
Speaker 5: and Jody because they see it. And then and on

1715
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 5: the on the legal tip, you know, that was very cool.

1716
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:24,760
Speaker 5: So that was that was really important to me as

1717
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 5: far as that album was concerned, which album, which album

1718
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:31,080
Speaker 5: was for the lover and you on? Was that on

1719
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:33,840
Speaker 5: three for Love? That was on three for Love?

1720
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 2: I believe, I believe, Yeah, it's on three yeah, yes.

1721
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 5: And what we were talking about in the very beginning

1722
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:42,800
Speaker 5: of the of this whole of this whole show was

1723
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 5: very important because when I first got with the group,

1724
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 5: it was like, you know, Shalomar the disco group, you

1725
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. And like, like I said, I

1726
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 5: wasn't a big fan of disco, you know what I'm saying.

1727
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:58,560
Speaker 5: So my thing was like, that's we need to establish

1728
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 5: this as a as as a group, as a as

1729
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 5: a whatever you want to pop, R and B whatever,

1730
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:08,840
Speaker 5: not disco. So when we did for the Lovering You,

1731
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 5: for the Lovering You was very instrumental in doing that,

1732
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:15,599
Speaker 5: taking us from the disco group into you know, when

1733
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 5: they started talking about Shalamar, you know, after for the

1734
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 5: Lovering You, it was like, yeah, the group Shalamar, the

1735
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:27,600
Speaker 5: singing group, pop group, R and B group, but you know,

1736
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 5: put the disco group out of the picture.

1737
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 1: What was the name? Where did the name come from?

1738
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:33,799
Speaker 1: What was the meaning of the name Salamar?

1739
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:38,880
Speaker 5: This is there's this cat named Simone Susan who brought

1740
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 5: h Uptown Festival to Dick and Don Cornelia's Uptown Festival

1741
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 5: was like a medley of motown hits, you know, so

1742
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:52,639
Speaker 5: like uh you know, in the disco, in the disco format,

1743
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:56,599
Speaker 5: and uh so Simone Soussan was this cat and there

1744
01:34:56,680 --> 01:35:00,120
Speaker 5: was a there was a garden over in the at

1745
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 5: least or something like that called Shalomar Garden. It's a

1746
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 5: s h l I M A R you know, shally Mar.

1747
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 5: It was this there was this, uh, there was this

1748
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:16,559
Speaker 5: botanical garden that this potentate or somebody you know, put

1749
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:19,559
Speaker 5: together for his lady, you know, and and so like

1750
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:22,639
Speaker 5: there was this beautiful garden. That's how they got Disco

1751
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:25,600
Speaker 5: Garden out of it. And then they changed the I

1752
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:29,080
Speaker 5: to the A and s A A L A m

1753
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:31,800
Speaker 5: A L s h s h A l.

1754
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 1: A m A L.

1755
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1756
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:36,200
Speaker 4: Okay, what can you what can you tell us both

1757
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 4: legally and and respectfully about Jody's situation and why she's

1758
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:43,160
Speaker 4: not torn with the band currently.

1759
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 5: With us currently.

1760
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:44,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1761
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, at the time, we we got an offer Jeffery,

1762
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:51,799
Speaker 5: like I think it was about twenty years ago, seventeen

1763
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 5: twenty years or so ago. We we uh uh got

1764
01:35:56,360 --> 01:35:59,599
Speaker 5: a well, Jeffrey got an offer to do five gigs

1765
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:03,240
Speaker 5: over in Asia and throughout Japan and stuff, and and

1766
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:05,640
Speaker 5: so you know, we called Jody, we said, you know,

1767
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 5: jeff called me. I said, yeah, I'm down, I'm coold,

1768
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:14,040
Speaker 5: it'll be fun. And then we called Jody, and Jody said, well,

1769
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:16,599
Speaker 5: I don't think I really want to revisit that part

1770
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:19,760
Speaker 5: of my life, you know, and and which you know

1771
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 5: you can't say. I mean, she she, you know, everybody

1772
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 5: didn't have the same you know. It's a situation you

1773
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:30,880
Speaker 5: can do. You know, three people, two people can experience

1774
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:31,760
Speaker 5: the same.

1775
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 1: Exact thing and come on with different experiences.

1776
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:38,720
Speaker 5: Different experiences. So you got three people who experienced the

1777
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:44,600
Speaker 5: same exact thing and came away with three different, uh experiences.

1778
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 5: So at that time, Jeffrey and I went and we

1779
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:50,040
Speaker 5: did the shows by herself. We put the band together

1780
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 5: and we did the shows ourselves, you know, and uh.

1781
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:55,439
Speaker 5: And then in fact we went on to do a

1782
01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 5: bunch of stuff in the UK. We went to Africa

1783
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:01,519
Speaker 5: a couple of times with that light, with just me

1784
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:04,599
Speaker 5: and Jeffrey. And then when we wanted to bring the

1785
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 5: female entity back into it, Carolyn Griffy, who is Dick

1786
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 5: Griffy's daughter, and she was she was singing background for

1787
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 5: me on a lot of my solo stuff, you know,

1788
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 5: and so she had the history of the group, she

1789
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 5: had the passion of the group, so we didn't even

1790
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:26,000
Speaker 5: we didn't even. And also she had she has an

1791
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:29,000
Speaker 5: amazing voice. I love her, I love her instrument. And

1792
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 5: we didn't even audition to anybody else. We just offered

1793
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:33,799
Speaker 5: the position.

1794
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, how was your How was your relationship before mister

1795
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 4: Griffy when he passed? How was our relationship at that

1796
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:43,639
Speaker 4: time right before he passed?

1797
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 5: Me and Dick, Yeah, yeah, we were. We were We

1798
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:51,560
Speaker 5: were at each other's about something. I forget what it was.

1799
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:55,680
Speaker 5: I forget what it was. He didn't, And it was

1800
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 5: funny because you know, he was just he was just

1801
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 5: learning about and stuff at that time and accidentally sent

1802
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:05,960
Speaker 5: it to me.

1803
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:14,200
Speaker 6: I'm like, nigga, you know, and I just I just laughed,

1804
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:16,640
Speaker 6: you know, and and uh, I forget what it was

1805
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:18,439
Speaker 6: we were arguing about at that time.

1806
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:22,720
Speaker 5: But I loved him. I loved it, you know. And

1807
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:24,920
Speaker 5: then we had a bitter sweet thing.

1808
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:27,240
Speaker 3: Was he when he passed?

1809
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 5: So yeah, seventy so you know, and like, you know,

1810
01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:37,720
Speaker 5: it was it was, it was. It was sad I

1811
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:40,880
Speaker 5: never got a chance to see him right when before

1812
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:43,200
Speaker 5: he passed. We had a couple of meetings before he

1813
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 5: got before he got sick, and uh, you know, but

1814
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 5: we were arguing about something then I forget what it was.

1815
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 1: But wow, you know, I know, I know I brought

1816
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:56,519
Speaker 1: it up earlier, but I kind of want to if

1817
01:38:56,520 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 1: you visited, I know that you and James Ingram are

1818
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 1: singing on p YT. Are you at all involved on

1819
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:09,640
Speaker 1: the original version of p YT the slower before it

1820
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:13,799
Speaker 1: turned into the version that's on Thriller? There's another alternative, slower,

1821
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:20,120
Speaker 1: smoother version of the Yeah, yeah, a slower version. Are

1822
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 1: you on that version at all? Or is it just

1823
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 1: the version that's on Thriller?

1824
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 5: Just a version is on Thriller. I didn't even know

1825
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:27,559
Speaker 5: there was a slower version out.

1826
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:28,479
Speaker 2: You know, you know good?

1827
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:32,280
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they left no stone unturned, like they kept.

1828
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 5: Where the background sampled from the from the no.

1829
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 1: No, no, it's completely different recording. Just the title, they

1830
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:41,320
Speaker 1: shared the title.

1831
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:41,439
Speaker 2: That's all.

1832
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:45,759
Speaker 1: Like they turned into something totally totally different. But speaking

1833
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 1: of speaking of Griffy again, you know, MTV was was

1834
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:54,839
Speaker 1: just a baby, and of course they were world famous

1835
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 1: for really not focusing on that many black acts. And

1836
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,680
Speaker 1: and yet I remember at the same time when they

1837
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:07,679
Speaker 1: started slowly playing Billy Jean and beat It, you guys

1838
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:10,679
Speaker 1: were one of the few groups that they slowly letting

1839
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:15,600
Speaker 1: the door along with like Prince and Lionel, Ritchie, Eddie Griant.

1840
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:18,880
Speaker 1: How do you do you know how that happened? Like

1841
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 1: how was was that the making of Dick Griffy or like.

1842
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 5: I don't know what the politics were as far as

1843
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:28,880
Speaker 5: what the politics were as far as getting all that

1844
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:32,040
Speaker 5: into in uh into the playlist, but at the time,

1845
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 5: it was just it was just us and Michael. And

1846
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:38,360
Speaker 5: but you know down you had that you had that

1847
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:43,680
Speaker 5: famous uh interview with David Bowie and Bowie Yeah, and

1848
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 5: I think at that point they started kind of re

1849
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:50,000
Speaker 5: re looking at certain situations. When David Bowie comes up

1850
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:53,000
Speaker 5: to us this, how can you call yourself a music channel?

1851
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 5: And and you not playing black music? It's like it's crazy,

1852
01:40:56,360 --> 01:41:01,240
Speaker 5: you know, so so like, but I'm not about the politics.

1853
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:04,519
Speaker 5: It was just you know, people they the promotion. People

1854
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:07,040
Speaker 5: kept pushing it, kept pushing it. But at the time,

1855
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:09,080
Speaker 5: like I said, it was just it was just us

1856
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:11,240
Speaker 5: and Michael at the time that they were playing.

1857
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:18,240
Speaker 1: Okay, So can I assume that the look was technically

1858
01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:22,160
Speaker 1: kind of sort of maybe your first solo record, but.

1859
01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:29,880
Speaker 5: Kind of okay, it was the last It was the

1860
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:33,840
Speaker 5: last album that we did that Jeffrey and Jody and

1861
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:36,360
Speaker 5: I did together, but they participated just.

1862
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:40,560
Speaker 1: Like they equally.

1863
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:40,720
Speaker 5: As far as like just like we used to do

1864
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:43,200
Speaker 5: all the rest of the projects and stuff. There's a

1865
01:41:43,240 --> 01:41:45,960
Speaker 5: tune on there called you Are the You're the one

1866
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 5: for me, man, check that tune out if you get

1867
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:49,400
Speaker 5: a chance to check that TOI.

1868
01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:51,400
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, I know it well, I know it well,

1869
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:53,920
Speaker 1: but I just wanted to know, like the working process.

1870
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:56,640
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Look, I know, I know, and you

1871
01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 1: know I'm a Philadelphian, So I feel like a bad

1872
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 1: Philadelphia because I'm gonna ask you this question.

1873
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:06,160
Speaker 2: But I know that you wrote the Look with Stanley Clark.

1874
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 1: Now personally one of my all time favorite how Hewitt

1875
01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:15,240
Speaker 1: songs non shall marve related. But really, if I'm honest

1876
01:42:15,240 --> 01:42:17,360
Speaker 1: with it, this is probably my all time favorite song.

1877
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:20,599
Speaker 2: Of yours is Heaven Sent? Now?

1878
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:24,080
Speaker 1: You know, as a jazz head, you know this is

1879
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:26,519
Speaker 1: a guy that's you know, done, returned it forever, doesn't

1880
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 1: change the world of bass music. I feel really silly

1881
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:33,360
Speaker 1: that this is also might be my favorite Stanley Clark

1882
01:42:33,479 --> 01:42:37,799
Speaker 1: songs though he has such an intricate history with his bass,

1883
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:42,519
Speaker 1: but this one particular song says, could you what I

1884
01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:45,320
Speaker 1: really want to know is why didn't you say that

1885
01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:47,840
Speaker 1: for your own project? Yes, even though it made noise

1886
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:51,280
Speaker 1: on his record, I almost felt like because when it

1887
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:53,680
Speaker 1: came out, I felt like, oh, this is the how

1888
01:42:53,720 --> 01:42:54,800
Speaker 1: are you are? Solo joint?

1889
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:58,240
Speaker 2: And then my aunt couldn't find it. She's looking for forever.

1890
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:02,040
Speaker 1: And then finally it's like it's buried on you know,

1891
01:43:02,120 --> 01:43:03,240
Speaker 1: the Stanley Clark record.

1892
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:04,599
Speaker 2: Did you talk about that song?

1893
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:08,599
Speaker 5: That song? It was was one of the first times

1894
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:13,320
Speaker 5: that I ventured, one of my first ventures off from Solar,

1895
01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:16,759
Speaker 5: you know what, I'm right, And so, like I said before,

1896
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:19,599
Speaker 5: Dick wasn't really a big fan of that, but you know,

1897
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:22,360
Speaker 5: it was like you gotta you can't just you know,

1898
01:43:22,479 --> 01:43:26,160
Speaker 5: keep people sold up in certain situations. So it was

1899
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 5: when Stanley because Stanley and I met first, and then

1900
01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:34,760
Speaker 5: he me to George and when we met we had

1901
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:38,400
Speaker 5: a mutual friend that was his accountant, I think, and

1902
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:40,559
Speaker 5: then he did some he doesn't work for me, and

1903
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:44,439
Speaker 5: then he introduced me to Stanley. Stan was a fan

1904
01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:48,320
Speaker 5: of you know, the Shalomar stuff, and I was definitely

1905
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 5: a fan of Stanley's because my first instrument that I

1906
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:54,200
Speaker 5: learned how to play when I was like twelve years old,

1907
01:43:54,600 --> 01:44:00,240
Speaker 5: was bass, so you know, I was the Stanley was

1908
01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:03,519
Speaker 5: like the cat, right. So we just started working together.

1909
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:06,240
Speaker 5: And there was another cat that wrote that song. I

1910
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:08,919
Speaker 5: think he passed away. I can't remember that wrote.

1911
01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:12,160
Speaker 1: A lot was Heaven sent?

1912
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:16,519
Speaker 5: Heaven said, yeah, okay, I gotta look it up. Yeah,

1913
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:21,280
Speaker 5: I can't remember his name. There was some I remember

1914
01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:23,479
Speaker 5: there was some stuff that was going on with him

1915
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:26,920
Speaker 5: and Stanley, but you know, we got we you know,

1916
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:30,200
Speaker 5: we went in and started recording, started messing around with it,

1917
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:32,519
Speaker 5: and it was just it was it was just slated

1918
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:34,479
Speaker 5: to go on his album. It wasn't slated to go

1919
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:37,599
Speaker 5: on my album. And that was before I think, you know,

1920
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:41,080
Speaker 5: the whole concept of putting a song. You could put

1921
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:44,040
Speaker 5: it on this album, I'll do it that album, put

1922
01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:46,400
Speaker 5: it on my album. You know what I'm saying. We

1923
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:47,519
Speaker 5: weren't doing that then.

1924
01:44:48,280 --> 01:44:50,440
Speaker 2: Is this song is it? Is it still in your repertoire?

1925
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:54,240
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, oh yeah, definitely definitely. I love that.

1926
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:56,880
Speaker 4: You know, I was just gonna ask, what was the

1927
01:44:57,040 --> 01:45:01,479
Speaker 4: creative chemistry, like, uh, Stanley and George working together?

1928
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:03,080
Speaker 1: What were they like in the studio together?

1929
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:06,439
Speaker 5: Man? It was like because because I did a lot

1930
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:12,160
Speaker 5: of the Clark dou uh and a lot of involved

1931
01:45:12,160 --> 01:45:14,160
Speaker 5: in a lot of that, especially the videos I do.

1932
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:19,720
Speaker 5: These little crazy cameo appearances on the videos didn't make

1933
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:21,840
Speaker 5: any sense all of a sudden, I'm there, you know

1934
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:26,920
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. It was amazing. I mean, George just

1935
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:30,240
Speaker 5: working with George. So George was just I mean, if

1936
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:33,280
Speaker 5: if you didn't know anybody that didn't all the whole

1937
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:37,040
Speaker 5: bottom part of George's house and U in Hollywood, uh,

1938
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:42,080
Speaker 5: lower Hollywood Hills, basically off of Franklin. The whole bottom

1939
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:46,760
Speaker 5: part of his house was his studio. Everything room, studio,

1940
01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:52,200
Speaker 5: you know, everything, the lounge, everything was. The studio had

1941
01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:55,360
Speaker 5: a he had his wine cellar down there and stuff,

1942
01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:58,680
Speaker 5: and I mean it was it was just we We

1943
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:01,240
Speaker 5: would just going there and it was a place to

1944
01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:04,760
Speaker 5: go in and just be creative and working with and

1945
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:09,799
Speaker 5: then watching him and Stanley together was just a double

1946
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 5: double situation, double dose of what you know, George did

1947
01:46:15,640 --> 01:46:19,160
Speaker 5: and it and it and it was was enhanced by

1948
01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:23,000
Speaker 5: Stanley's stuff. Stanley do some stuff, George would enhance it

1949
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:26,479
Speaker 5: with his thing. I mean, it was It was a major,

1950
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:30,360
Speaker 5: major creative, total creative atmosphere in there.

1951
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:35,080
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Man, Wow, could you what was the audition

1952
01:46:35,240 --> 01:46:41,120
Speaker 1: process like for Mickey Free and Delisa Davis once Jeffrey

1953
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:44,720
Speaker 1: and Jody left, uh Shallamar.

1954
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:50,040
Speaker 5: Well, for Mickey, there wasn't really an audition situation. Mickey

1955
01:46:50,160 --> 01:46:54,160
Speaker 5: was working on a project I think with Leon, you know,

1956
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:58,720
Speaker 5: and Mickey was like, basically, you know this prince like

1957
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:03,800
Speaker 5: our player cat and he was working out of a

1958
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:07,439
Speaker 5: studio masters, and so I would come there. I was

1959
01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 5: working on something and then we see each other, I

1960
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:12,760
Speaker 5: think with these studio masters of Lairbie a studio I

1961
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:15,719
Speaker 5: can't remember, but we crossed each other across the path.

1962
01:47:15,960 --> 01:47:18,840
Speaker 5: Hey man, was up, Hey man, what's up? And then

1963
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:22,759
Speaker 5: keep on going right, and then we started talking and stuff.

1964
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:27,679
Speaker 5: And Mickey is Mickey, if he ever decided to put

1965
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:30,320
Speaker 5: this guitar down and not do music anymore, he could

1966
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:34,920
Speaker 5: be a stand up comedian for real. That nigga had

1967
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:39,840
Speaker 5: me cracking up the whole time. And so then that's

1968
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:42,080
Speaker 5: when I talked to Leon, because like I said, they

1969
01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:45,040
Speaker 5: were they were working on something. And then I said, well,

1970
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:48,559
Speaker 5: why don't I bring you know, uh Mickey in, which

1971
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:53,479
Speaker 5: changed the whole situation of the group, you know, because

1972
01:47:53,560 --> 01:47:56,840
Speaker 5: Mickey was more of this rock cat and I was

1973
01:47:56,880 --> 01:47:59,040
Speaker 5: just looking to do something to pass the time for

1974
01:47:59,080 --> 01:48:02,880
Speaker 5: two and a half years, you know, So you know,

1975
01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:05,360
Speaker 5: and we went into the whole you know, we went

1976
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:07,360
Speaker 5: into the whole rock thing. You know. I always had

1977
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:09,960
Speaker 5: my dressing room when Jeffrey was in the group. Its

1978
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:13,360
Speaker 5: me and Jeffrey had a dressing room, right we went together.

1979
01:48:13,479 --> 01:48:16,040
Speaker 5: Joey would have her own dressing room, but it's just

1980
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:18,920
Speaker 5: you know, the camaraderie of it, you know. So Mickey

1981
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:21,840
Speaker 5: and I had our dressing room together. Our theme song

1982
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:29,320
Speaker 5: in the dressing room was Rebel Yelle, which would call

1983
01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:36,360
Speaker 5: it leather Gloves on and the built can you know

1984
01:48:36,360 --> 01:48:38,400
Speaker 5: what I'm saying? And we ready to go out there

1985
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:41,400
Speaker 5: and deal man. So like it changed the whole thing.

1986
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:46,639
Speaker 5: Now with Delisa, we Dick came up with this idea

1987
01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:51,519
Speaker 5: of involving a lot of the local different local radio

1988
01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:56,560
Speaker 5: stations across the country and do this contest, the contest

1989
01:48:56,640 --> 01:49:01,760
Speaker 5: to find the girl for Shalamar, you know, and it

1990
01:49:02,200 --> 01:49:06,720
Speaker 5: involved the local radio stations and and all of them.

1991
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:10,400
Speaker 5: They put together this thing. They had auditions Don Lewis.

1992
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:14,559
Speaker 5: Don Lewis auditioned in New York. That's when I first

1993
01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:17,599
Speaker 5: met Don Lewis.

1994
01:49:19,200 --> 01:49:22,679
Speaker 1: I don't remember I was that was it all the episode?

1995
01:49:22,680 --> 01:49:26,240
Speaker 1: I missed that episode? Yeah, was our last pre COVID interview.

1996
01:49:26,840 --> 01:49:32,400
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I remember Don coming out with these hot

1997
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:35,639
Speaker 5: pants and these and these uh uh what they called

1998
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:40,240
Speaker 5: fish net stockings. Right. For years I called her fish

1999
01:49:40,280 --> 01:49:42,960
Speaker 5: net right because she didn't she didn't win the audis

2000
01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 5: in delease because she won the New York audition, and

2001
01:49:47,120 --> 01:49:49,760
Speaker 5: then she was then they flew they flew her to

2002
01:49:50,360 --> 01:49:53,040
Speaker 5: l A and one it was here's l A in

2003
01:49:53,240 --> 01:49:54,920
Speaker 5: l A. One of the time she was in l A.

2004
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:58,280
Speaker 5: That's when she I guess she connected with the different

2005
01:49:58,320 --> 01:50:01,840
Speaker 5: world people are are, yeah, the different world people. But

2006
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:04,640
Speaker 5: for years after I knew and you know, after I

2007
01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:08,040
Speaker 5: knew Don for years, I can never really remember her name.

2008
01:50:08,360 --> 01:50:12,720
Speaker 5: But I called her fishnets, you know, so you know,

2009
01:50:13,320 --> 01:50:17,080
Speaker 5: but that was the process. De Lisa was from Nashville.

2010
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:19,760
Speaker 5: So when we went to Nashville, did the did the

2011
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:21,040
Speaker 5: audition and there so.

2012
01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:26,560
Speaker 1: This this was nationwide's nationwide Yeah, oh wow, okay.

2013
01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:29,479
Speaker 5: Georganashville all all over the place. We're all over the place.

2014
01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:32,519
Speaker 1: By the way, did did Mickey ever share any of

2015
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:35,120
Speaker 1: that basketball Charlie Murphy story with you at all.

2016
01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:39,120
Speaker 2: The day after, he said, he told you.

2017
01:50:38,600 --> 01:50:41,479
Speaker 5: After the day after it happened. Man, That's why when

2018
01:50:41,479 --> 01:50:44,719
Speaker 5: people called me, when people called me after Dave Chappelle

2019
01:50:44,760 --> 01:50:47,800
Speaker 5: did it, and years later when people called me and

2020
01:50:47,880 --> 01:50:51,400
Speaker 5: told me, Man, you see that skit, the Charlie Murphy

2021
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:54,880
Speaker 5: Hollywood stories and on Dave Sappelle, they did a thing.

2022
01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:57,120
Speaker 5: They talked about Mickey going up and going up to

2023
01:50:57,120 --> 01:50:59,880
Speaker 5: the Princess House. I said, Man, Mickey called me today

2024
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:02,559
Speaker 5: after they the day after they did that, And so

2025
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:06,320
Speaker 5: we were up at short Cast House man last night,

2026
01:51:06,720 --> 01:51:09,439
Speaker 5: and and Eddie Murphy and Charlie Murphy, everybody came up

2027
01:51:09,439 --> 01:51:12,280
Speaker 5: and played basketball, he said. Prince Prince went out there

2028
01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:20,160
Speaker 5: in his heels and was dumping. He said, Man, anybody

2029
01:51:20,240 --> 01:51:21,240
Speaker 5: wants some pancakes?

2030
01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:25,920
Speaker 1: He called me.

2031
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:28,479
Speaker 5: He called me the day after, a day after that

2032
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:29,040
Speaker 5: went down.

2033
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:34,479
Speaker 1: Wait, can I get this fronte because I'm gonna forget this. Also,

2034
01:51:34,680 --> 01:51:39,800
Speaker 1: on the Look, you worked with the legendary David Hawk

2035
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:44,960
Speaker 1: Wazinski formerly of Rufus. Yes, yeah, could you talk to

2036
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:47,639
Speaker 1: like that? That's a cat I definitely want to interview

2037
01:51:47,640 --> 01:51:49,840
Speaker 1: as well. Like, did you talk about the process of

2038
01:51:50,120 --> 01:51:51,960
Speaker 1: songwriting with him and working with him?

2039
01:51:52,160 --> 01:51:56,719
Speaker 5: It was wild. Hawk was wild. His studio was called

2040
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:59,479
Speaker 5: it was up in the hills, off of a little

2041
01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:03,080
Speaker 5: off the off, the one on off, the one on one. Uh,

2042
01:52:03,439 --> 01:52:07,040
Speaker 5: Laurel wasn't Laura can I can't remember. Okay, it was

2043
01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:09,479
Speaker 5: up in the hills, and the name of the studio

2044
01:52:10,120 --> 01:52:12,960
Speaker 5: was called Food in the Hill. You know what I'm saying,

2045
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:17,400
Speaker 5: Called the Hill Okay, Pool in the Hills studios. So

2046
01:52:17,479 --> 01:52:21,960
Speaker 5: it was like me him, Mickey, we had it. Yeah,

2047
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:25,599
Speaker 5: it was just the whole writing process and would get

2048
01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:27,519
Speaker 5: serious then all of a sudden it would just go

2049
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:30,120
Speaker 5: off the chain somewhere else and we were just you know,

2050
01:52:30,160 --> 01:52:32,320
Speaker 5: we were just up there. We had we had, you know,

2051
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:44,920
Speaker 5: interesting situation visitors up there in and out and.

2052
01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:41,719
Speaker 1: I as you're going.

2053
01:52:44,240 --> 01:52:46,960
Speaker 5: And so like, you know. But it was but but

2054
01:52:47,040 --> 01:52:49,960
Speaker 5: the creative situation of it when we would be on

2055
01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:53,800
Speaker 5: track was amazing. It was amazing. We got a lot

2056
01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:57,600
Speaker 5: of work done, a lot of creative looking at uh

2057
01:52:57,680 --> 01:52:59,960
Speaker 5: we did. One of the songs we did was called Mike.

2058
01:53:00,360 --> 01:53:04,160
Speaker 2: My Girl Loves Me, That's my ship, you.

2059
01:53:04,120 --> 01:53:13,360
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, I know, probably to you like this was like,

2060
01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:16,599
Speaker 1: all right, I'm just gonna do this bid and then

2061
01:53:16,680 --> 01:53:20,400
Speaker 1: get out here and do my solo join. But you know,

2062
01:53:20,840 --> 01:53:24,800
Speaker 1: for a whatever past the time record, at least in

2063
01:53:24,840 --> 01:53:29,320
Speaker 1: your words, like I the the Heartbreak record was actually

2064
01:53:30,040 --> 01:53:34,360
Speaker 1: kind of dope. And I do, I do want to

2065
01:53:34,360 --> 01:53:36,559
Speaker 1: know the story. Okay, So I know the history of

2066
01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:39,639
Speaker 1: Dean Pitchford because I went to perform an arts high school.

2067
01:53:39,680 --> 01:53:43,920
Speaker 1: So Dean Pittsford, of course you know he's he's he's

2068
01:53:43,960 --> 01:53:46,960
Speaker 1: a fellow e gotter Bill. You should know this person.

2069
01:53:48,320 --> 01:53:51,519
Speaker 1: He wrote, I mean from Godspell, the Fame. He wrote

2070
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:53,639
Speaker 1: like a lot of Broadway stuff. He won Matt Grammys

2071
01:53:53,680 --> 01:53:54,679
Speaker 1: and a Tony and Emmy.

2072
01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:56,080
Speaker 2: I know that him and.

2073
01:53:56,040 --> 01:53:59,599
Speaker 1: Bill Wolford wrote uh about to say footloose?

2074
01:53:59,600 --> 01:54:02,439
Speaker 2: Well, they were of that too. They were dancing in

2075
01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:03,320
Speaker 2: the sheets.

2076
01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:08,200
Speaker 8: Sheets like the streets to a child here, excuse me,

2077
01:54:08,320 --> 01:54:09,040
Speaker 8: mister Hewett.

2078
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:10,840
Speaker 3: And I know I called you Howard the whole time.

2079
01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:13,920
Speaker 8: But a young child who hears that song you sang

2080
01:54:13,960 --> 01:54:15,840
Speaker 8: the first time you heard somebody said it was dancing

2081
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:16,679
Speaker 8: in the street.

2082
01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:18,599
Speaker 1: I mean they talking about getting it on and they

2083
01:54:18,680 --> 01:54:19,519
Speaker 1: talking about the sheets.

2084
01:54:19,600 --> 01:54:21,400
Speaker 8: Kids don't even hear that part you just hear the

2085
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:24,080
Speaker 8: I was a kid and I heard body of friends.

2086
01:54:24,280 --> 01:54:25,360
Speaker 2: You know, Yes, I.

2087
01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:29,720
Speaker 1: Now grab your coat when we're going home, That's what

2088
01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:30,320
Speaker 1: he said.

2089
01:54:30,920 --> 01:54:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm enlightened. As of today, I am enlightened.

2090
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:35,960
Speaker 2: Yes, she thought I was dancing in the streets.

2091
01:54:36,200 --> 01:54:39,080
Speaker 1: But wait, can I can I just ask though, Yes,

2092
01:54:39,240 --> 01:54:41,839
Speaker 1: the song was a bona fide hit, But did anyone

2093
01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:44,200
Speaker 1: ever raise the question that it might be a tab

2094
01:54:44,200 --> 01:54:46,320
Speaker 1: bit derivative of nineteen ninety nine at all?

2095
01:54:47,080 --> 01:54:49,640
Speaker 5: Well, you know, the thing, the whole the way that

2096
01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:53,120
Speaker 5: whole thing came about was at the time, like I said,

2097
01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:55,040
Speaker 5: it was just me. I don't even think I had

2098
01:54:55,120 --> 01:54:57,440
Speaker 5: Mickey in the group at that time. It was just

2099
01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:02,320
Speaker 5: it was just me and and Dean Pittsford called and

2100
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:05,920
Speaker 5: wanted me and Leon to come to the Paramount Studios

2101
01:55:06,480 --> 01:55:09,800
Speaker 5: and listen and look at this movie that he had

2102
01:55:10,280 --> 01:55:14,120
Speaker 5: and he had temporary music in it, you know, just stuff.

2103
01:55:14,160 --> 01:55:16,520
Speaker 5: And then when it came to the park where he

2104
01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:20,400
Speaker 5: had written you know, for dancing and sheets, he said,

2105
01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:23,320
Speaker 5: this is where I want, you know, shalomar thing to be.

2106
01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:26,960
Speaker 5: And so like you know, we watched a movie, we talked,

2107
01:55:27,120 --> 01:55:29,760
Speaker 5: got blah blah, blah blah, and Leon and Leone and

2108
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:33,080
Speaker 5: I are walking back to the UH to the the

2109
01:55:33,120 --> 01:55:36,240
Speaker 5: parking lot, and I said, well, what do you think?

2110
01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:36,520
Speaker 1: You know?

2111
01:55:36,760 --> 01:55:39,800
Speaker 5: He said, Wow, I got a whole lot on my plate.

2112
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:41,560
Speaker 5: I don't think that's going to be a big movie.

2113
01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:43,760
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. It's it's like and I

2114
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:47,040
Speaker 5: got I got a whole lot on my plate. I

2115
01:55:47,040 --> 01:55:49,640
Speaker 5: don't really I'm not I'm not really gonna have time

2116
01:55:49,680 --> 01:55:51,040
Speaker 5: to do it. He said, well what do you think?

2117
01:55:52,040 --> 01:55:53,680
Speaker 5: I said, well, I don't think it's gonna be a

2118
01:55:53,680 --> 01:55:55,160
Speaker 5: big movie either, you know.

2119
01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:57,800
Speaker 1: But oh god what.

2120
01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:03,080
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna throw Leon under the bus like that.

2121
01:56:03,120 --> 01:56:05,200
Speaker 5: It was me too, I said, I don't think it's

2122
01:56:05,240 --> 01:56:06,200
Speaker 5: going to be a big movie.

2123
01:56:06,520 --> 01:56:09,080
Speaker 1: You saw Footloose and you were just like, man, whatever,

2124
01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:12,280
Speaker 1: you know, okay.

2125
01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:13,200
Speaker 5: You know because it because it was it was just

2126
01:56:13,600 --> 01:56:16,640
Speaker 5: you know, this guy, this cat teaching white folks how

2127
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:19,440
Speaker 5: to dance and and all that. You know, it's like,

2128
01:56:19,880 --> 01:56:22,080
Speaker 5: you know, it's like, hey, you know, I don't think

2129
01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:23,680
Speaker 5: it's going to be that big of a movie. But

2130
01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:27,600
Speaker 5: I said, but being with the position that the group

2131
01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:30,720
Speaker 5: which I was gonna have to keep on at that time,

2132
01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:33,640
Speaker 5: I knew Dick Griffy wasn't gonna allow me to get

2133
01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:36,160
Speaker 5: out of my contract, so I had to keep on

2134
01:56:36,280 --> 01:56:40,160
Speaker 5: with the group. I said, But given the position that

2135
01:56:40,280 --> 01:56:43,080
Speaker 5: the group is in at this time, I said, I

2136
01:56:43,120 --> 01:56:45,480
Speaker 5: think it would be a good even though I don't

2137
01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:47,680
Speaker 5: think it's gonna be a I don't think it's a

2138
01:56:47,720 --> 01:56:51,200
Speaker 5: great movie. They're gonna put a push behind it, a

2139
01:56:51,200 --> 01:56:51,600
Speaker 5: good look.

2140
01:56:51,880 --> 01:56:53,920
Speaker 1: It'll be a good look promotional thing.

2141
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:56,240
Speaker 5: So it would be, you know, why not do it?

2142
01:56:56,280 --> 01:56:57,880
Speaker 5: I'll do it. I put it, you know, do the

2143
01:56:58,040 --> 01:57:00,400
Speaker 5: do the song, put it in there. All of my

2144
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:04,400
Speaker 5: name lives. However, you know what I'm saying. So I know,

2145
01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:11,040
Speaker 5: I had to go to Solar, to the legal department

2146
01:57:11,080 --> 01:57:14,640
Speaker 5: in Solar when somebody called me one morning and then

2147
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:17,600
Speaker 5: the soundtrack had been out there and it is sold.

2148
01:57:17,640 --> 01:57:21,280
Speaker 5: Because at that time, soundtracks weren't really big. People really

2149
01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:24,680
Speaker 5: didn't look at soundtracks, you know, and that was like

2150
01:57:24,720 --> 01:57:27,920
Speaker 5: the first the first bid of the first one of

2151
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:30,880
Speaker 5: the first big soundtracks out there. But I had to

2152
01:57:30,920 --> 01:57:33,320
Speaker 5: go to Solar and say because somebody called me that

2153
01:57:33,800 --> 01:57:38,400
Speaker 5: particular morning said, uh, you've been checking out the Footloose

2154
01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:42,200
Speaker 5: soundtrack and said, now I was hey, man, they sold

2155
01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:45,520
Speaker 5: platinum already. I said, what he's there, you know, and

2156
01:57:45,560 --> 01:57:47,680
Speaker 5: so I go I go to and talk to Virgil

2157
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:51,200
Speaker 5: Roberts at the at the record company. I went down

2158
01:57:51,200 --> 01:57:53,440
Speaker 5: to the record company. I said, man, Virgil, you've been

2159
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:59,600
Speaker 5: checking the Dancing the Footloose soundtrack. Virgil goes said, yeah,

2160
01:57:59,640 --> 01:58:02,880
Speaker 5: you know how these these things really don't don't sell

2161
01:58:02,920 --> 01:58:07,640
Speaker 5: a lot. You know, it's not a sound and that's it.

2162
01:58:07,880 --> 01:58:11,680
Speaker 5: As a dude, it's it's platinum. Somebody told me, yeah,

2163
01:58:11,680 --> 01:58:15,120
Speaker 5: there's no way, no way, platinum, and then that's it

2164
01:58:15,160 --> 01:58:16,880
Speaker 5: took off from there. Man, it's crazy.

2165
01:58:17,360 --> 01:58:19,520
Speaker 1: But I was about to say, you guys, double dip,

2166
01:58:19,640 --> 01:58:25,240
Speaker 1: because isn't the only Grammy for Shallamar also for your

2167
01:58:25,280 --> 01:58:29,200
Speaker 1: participation on the Beverly Hills cop so yeah, for don't

2168
01:58:29,240 --> 01:58:31,800
Speaker 1: get Stopped in Beverly Hills. So it was almost like

2169
01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:32,520
Speaker 1: eighty four.

2170
01:58:32,440 --> 01:58:39,840
Speaker 5: Was the year of Yeah that was Hawk with Linsky. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2171
01:58:39,920 --> 01:58:43,280
Speaker 5: double dip. That's that's that's right. We didn't I don't

2172
01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:45,640
Speaker 5: I don't think we know. We didn't win anything for.

2173
01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:52,240
Speaker 1: Well that well, the soundcheck one a Grammy, So I

2174
01:58:52,640 --> 01:58:57,600
Speaker 1: assume that someone gets that, uh you know, that sort

2175
01:58:57,600 --> 01:58:58,000
Speaker 1: of thing.

2176
01:58:58,760 --> 01:59:00,440
Speaker 4: I was gonna I was gonna ask you out, man,

2177
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:03,839
Speaker 4: what can you tell us about your marriage to near people's.

2178
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:05,920
Speaker 4: I used to always watch the Party Machine when I

2179
01:59:06,000 --> 01:59:06,400
Speaker 4: was a kid.

2180
01:59:06,640 --> 01:59:09,480
Speaker 1: Jesus got first.

2181
01:59:09,320 --> 01:59:11,840
Speaker 3: Like so I felt like a little celebrity couple.

2182
01:59:12,040 --> 01:59:13,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, the original James b.

2183
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:18,840
Speaker 5: I gotta say, h.

2184
01:59:21,120 --> 01:59:26,240
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, never mind, keep going. That's a good.

2185
01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:26,560
Speaker 5: Story, right.

2186
01:59:26,560 --> 01:59:26,920
Speaker 1: There was.

2187
01:59:28,600 --> 01:59:31,280
Speaker 5: There was a cat. There was a cat Jerome Gasper,

2188
01:59:31,400 --> 01:59:33,760
Speaker 5: who was an r cat for PolyGram. I think at

2189
01:59:33,760 --> 01:59:35,920
Speaker 5: the time it's a good friend of mine and so

2190
01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:40,000
Speaker 5: and maybe prefaced it. Also. I had a I had

2191
01:59:40,040 --> 01:59:43,080
Speaker 5: a condo and Handcock Parker that at that time, and

2192
01:59:43,120 --> 01:59:45,200
Speaker 5: I had this in my bedroom. I had this big

2193
01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:49,360
Speaker 5: you know, remember the rear projections, big screen TVs. I

2194
01:59:49,400 --> 01:59:52,600
Speaker 5: had a big rear projections, big screen TV at the

2195
01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:56,240
Speaker 5: bottom of my bed. And uh, every morning I wake up,

2196
01:59:56,560 --> 01:59:59,560
Speaker 5: you know, turn on the TV, flip through the channels,

2197
02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:04,080
Speaker 5: get the channel eleven or nine or whatever, and I

2198
02:00:04,160 --> 02:00:06,680
Speaker 5: see Fame was on. You know, you know what I'm saying.

2199
02:00:07,040 --> 02:00:10,000
Speaker 5: And there I say, man, there's this fine woman that

2200
02:00:10,160 --> 02:00:15,720
Speaker 5: comes on Fame. You know, I never knew. I never

2201
02:00:15,800 --> 02:00:18,000
Speaker 5: waited for the credits or anything. I just wanted to

2202
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:20,240
Speaker 5: look at her, you know what I'm saying. And then

2203
02:00:20,600 --> 02:00:23,240
Speaker 5: I keep it on Fame on the channel where Fame

2204
02:00:23,480 --> 02:00:26,200
Speaker 5: was for about you know, ten fifteen minutes. If she

2205
02:00:26,240 --> 02:00:28,800
Speaker 5: didn't come on the screen, I'd start flipping through the channel.

2206
02:00:28,880 --> 02:00:34,360
Speaker 5: But I'm sitting there. Yeah, fine, you know what I'm saying.

2207
02:00:34,400 --> 02:00:38,840
Speaker 5: So this guy's your own Gaspar called me and uh

2208
02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:41,200
Speaker 5: he said he talked. I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2209
02:00:41,240 --> 02:00:44,760
Speaker 5: yeah yeah yeah yeah. Howard, how Howard? You know? He said, man,

2210
02:00:44,800 --> 02:00:47,000
Speaker 5: we just we just signed the girl from Fame, you know,

2211
02:00:47,120 --> 02:00:49,600
Speaker 5: to a contract or a PolyGram. I want you to

2212
02:00:49,600 --> 02:00:51,000
Speaker 5: do a few songs on her. I wanted to do

2213
02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:53,320
Speaker 5: a couple of two three songs on her. I said, well,

2214
02:00:53,360 --> 02:00:55,880
Speaker 5: which girl is there's near people's I said, well which

2215
02:00:55,920 --> 02:00:56,600
Speaker 5: girl is?

2216
02:00:56,440 --> 02:00:56,760
Speaker 1: This is it?

2217
02:00:57,240 --> 02:01:02,560
Speaker 5: There's you? That's same, he said. He said, I sent

2218
02:01:02,640 --> 02:01:07,160
Speaker 5: you overnight a compilation, uh via a tape to you

2219
02:01:07,680 --> 02:01:11,000
Speaker 5: and I said, okay, cool. Next morning the FedEx Con,

2220
02:01:11,160 --> 02:01:13,400
Speaker 5: they they get the tape. I put the tape in

2221
02:01:13,440 --> 02:01:16,800
Speaker 5: my vah seeing and they said, ladies general near people

2222
02:01:16,920 --> 02:01:19,760
Speaker 5: and she comes walking out on stage. I pushed cars

2223
02:01:20,120 --> 02:01:21,760
Speaker 5: and I called, I'm in, I'm in.

2224
02:01:25,160 --> 02:01:26,240
Speaker 1: I'm on my way.

2225
02:01:28,400 --> 02:01:30,720
Speaker 5: Whatever you want me to do, I'm there, you know.

2226
02:01:30,840 --> 02:01:32,880
Speaker 5: And soul Train was first.

2227
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:34,600
Speaker 8: I said, I messed up that timeline and my kid

2228
02:01:34,640 --> 02:01:36,120
Speaker 8: here because I was like, oh, I thought soul Train

2229
02:01:36,240 --> 02:01:36,560
Speaker 8: was first.

2230
02:01:36,560 --> 02:01:39,200
Speaker 3: With soul Train was after the two of you, our hosts.

2231
02:01:39,200 --> 02:01:41,240
Speaker 1: And she was never on soul Train.

2232
02:01:41,680 --> 02:01:44,600
Speaker 2: Was never she was on Party Machine.

2233
02:01:46,520 --> 02:01:51,640
Speaker 1: Sorry but to our long but to our younger gen

2234
02:01:51,720 --> 02:01:54,720
Speaker 1: Z listeners, she's all she's the hot mom on Pretty

2235
02:01:54,720 --> 02:01:58,920
Speaker 1: Little Liars. So that's that's what That's what everyone knows

2236
02:01:59,000 --> 02:01:59,760
Speaker 1: her as like.

2237
02:02:03,320 --> 02:02:07,240
Speaker 5: We worked on we worked on the album and really

2238
02:02:07,280 --> 02:02:10,320
Speaker 5: got you know, got got really close. So's she's a

2239
02:02:10,320 --> 02:02:12,840
Speaker 5: good ladies, she's a good woman. We have our son.

2240
02:02:12,920 --> 02:02:16,040
Speaker 5: We have Christopher is uh our son, you know, and

2241
02:02:17,040 --> 02:02:20,320
Speaker 5: it's amazing. We just we just had lunch about two

2242
02:02:20,360 --> 02:02:23,360
Speaker 5: weeks or so ago, she and I, Christopher, her other

2243
02:02:23,440 --> 02:02:26,200
Speaker 5: daughter and stuff. It's like this, it's very cool. It's

2244
02:02:26,280 --> 02:02:26,680
Speaker 5: very cool.

2245
02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:30,760
Speaker 3: First response and be like, let's cool, we just had lunch.

2246
02:02:34,840 --> 02:02:37,840
Speaker 1: No wait, I gotta say though, Damn, I didn't wait

2247
02:02:37,920 --> 02:02:42,680
Speaker 1: because I know we got to end this episode eventually sometime, however.

2248
02:02:42,920 --> 02:02:45,600
Speaker 2: I will, I got this. What is okay?

2249
02:02:45,640 --> 02:02:48,440
Speaker 1: This is always what I always wanted to know when

2250
02:02:48,680 --> 02:02:55,360
Speaker 1: an artist does their signature, like when they do the

2251
02:02:55,400 --> 02:03:00,200
Speaker 1: token gospel song on their record. I ee in.

2252
02:03:00,760 --> 02:03:02,160
Speaker 2: Love that sort of thing.

2253
02:03:03,160 --> 02:03:05,320
Speaker 1: Where is are you at a place in your life?

2254
02:03:05,320 --> 02:03:08,280
Speaker 1: What it's sort of like because we we didn't even

2255
02:03:08,280 --> 02:03:11,960
Speaker 1: get into the personal comings and going through your life

2256
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:15,480
Speaker 1: in the turmoil whatever, Like we're just on the creative

2257
02:03:15,480 --> 02:03:19,400
Speaker 1: and the things. But at that point, the fact, the

2258
02:03:19,400 --> 02:03:22,440
Speaker 1: fact that Save Men became such a signature song for you,

2259
02:03:23,040 --> 02:03:26,480
Speaker 1: mm hmm, Like where were you in your life that

2260
02:03:26,480 --> 02:03:31,880
Speaker 1: that song made made its appearance and the way that

2261
02:03:31,920 --> 02:03:34,400
Speaker 1: you delivered it, like we really believed it. So were

2262
02:03:34,440 --> 02:03:38,360
Speaker 1: you at a transitional phase in your life where that

2263
02:03:38,520 --> 02:03:39,640
Speaker 1: song came right in time?

2264
02:03:40,560 --> 02:03:44,320
Speaker 5: Okay? So before I left the group, before I left

2265
02:03:44,320 --> 02:03:47,440
Speaker 5: Salomar at the time, like two or three years, two

2266
02:03:47,520 --> 02:03:50,760
Speaker 5: or three years before I left Salomar, I always had

2267
02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:53,920
Speaker 5: the situation I wanted to do a solo album. So

2268
02:03:54,280 --> 02:03:57,640
Speaker 5: I remember praying seriously, I prayed prayer. I said, Lord,

2269
02:03:57,920 --> 02:04:00,760
Speaker 5: when I'm by myself, when i'm so when I'm when

2270
02:04:00,760 --> 02:04:04,280
Speaker 5: I'm responsible for what I say. I said, I promised

2271
02:04:04,320 --> 02:04:07,680
Speaker 5: that I will honor you on every solo project that

2272
02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:11,200
Speaker 5: I do, you know, and and I have so say

2273
02:04:11,320 --> 02:04:14,320
Speaker 5: man was the first was on the eye, Committal Love

2274
02:04:14,360 --> 02:04:16,600
Speaker 5: album was the first sol and then on and on.

2275
02:04:17,120 --> 02:04:21,480
Speaker 5: But when I finally rolled my contract out, I had

2276
02:04:22,280 --> 02:04:25,440
Speaker 5: a lecture. You know, if you know the term electure

2277
02:04:25,480 --> 02:04:29,280
Speaker 5: had first rights or refusal one everything that came off

2278
02:04:29,320 --> 02:04:32,800
Speaker 5: of Solar right, So I had to give them. I

2279
02:04:32,840 --> 02:04:35,120
Speaker 5: had to. I had to go through them before I

2280
02:04:35,160 --> 02:04:37,760
Speaker 5: could go anywhere else, you know, as far as my

2281
02:04:37,840 --> 02:04:42,320
Speaker 5: solo situation was concerned. So you know, at the time,

2282
02:04:42,400 --> 02:04:45,080
Speaker 5: e lecture was like cold as ice. They didn't they had.

2283
02:04:45,240 --> 02:04:47,720
Speaker 5: All they had over there was the eagles and and

2284
02:04:47,720 --> 02:04:50,920
Speaker 5: and that whole thing, and and and so. Like I

2285
02:04:50,960 --> 02:04:53,040
Speaker 5: told my attorney, I said, okay, so they have to

2286
02:04:53,080 --> 02:04:56,800
Speaker 5: have first rights or refusal and in other words, they

2287
02:04:56,840 --> 02:05:00,360
Speaker 5: have to you know, decline the deal that we bring

2288
02:05:00,440 --> 02:05:03,040
Speaker 5: to them. You know, you know what I'm saying. So

2289
02:05:03,120 --> 02:05:05,480
Speaker 5: I said, if that's the case, why don't we just

2290
02:05:05,560 --> 02:05:11,360
Speaker 5: make this deal so ridiculous that they're gonna decline it?

2291
02:05:11,560 --> 02:05:17,920
Speaker 5: You did, so, you know, put all kinds of stuff

2292
02:05:17,920 --> 02:05:20,800
Speaker 5: in there, bumps here. You know, the money was like

2293
02:05:21,400 --> 02:05:24,440
Speaker 5: unheard of for the first time solo arts. Even though

2294
02:05:24,440 --> 02:05:27,920
Speaker 5: I had the success with Shalamar was crazy and we

2295
02:05:28,040 --> 02:05:30,920
Speaker 5: took it to him. Bob Krasnow, who was head of

2296
02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:31,560
Speaker 5: the company.

2297
02:05:31,640 --> 02:05:36,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bob, Bob says, he calls you bluff.

2298
02:05:36,720 --> 02:05:43,040
Speaker 5: He says, okay, what else? Wow? You know, so so like,

2299
02:05:43,160 --> 02:05:45,960
Speaker 5: you know, okay, they accepted it. So it was a

2300
02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:49,040
Speaker 5: great deal monetarily, and the company was a great turnout

2301
02:05:49,080 --> 02:05:51,520
Speaker 5: to be a company, a great company. But it was

2302
02:05:51,560 --> 02:05:57,800
Speaker 5: almost like I just describe a solo electra like a

2303
02:05:57,880 --> 02:06:01,800
Speaker 5: twelve cylinder car and you running on six cylinders, you

2304
02:06:01,840 --> 02:06:05,160
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. And like because they did their job,

2305
02:06:05,240 --> 02:06:08,240
Speaker 5: they did their situation as far as the urban R

2306
02:06:08,280 --> 02:06:11,800
Speaker 5: and B situation is concerned, but the pop department over

2307
02:06:11,800 --> 02:06:14,320
Speaker 5: there never came to the party. So you know, it

2308
02:06:14,400 --> 02:06:16,960
Speaker 5: was like it was a whole thing. But getting back

2309
02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:21,000
Speaker 5: to when I first went to the thing, I had

2310
02:06:21,400 --> 02:06:24,800
Speaker 5: the new record company and I had a new management company.

2311
02:06:25,240 --> 02:06:28,440
Speaker 5: So this was in nineteen eighty five when I first

2312
02:06:28,560 --> 02:06:31,520
Speaker 5: left the group, and so I had a meeting with

2313
02:06:31,640 --> 02:06:33,880
Speaker 5: the new record company, I had a meeting with an

2314
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:37,160
Speaker 5: RCAT and a new record company, had a meeting and

2315
02:06:37,200 --> 02:06:40,280
Speaker 5: with the new management company that I had hired, and

2316
02:06:40,600 --> 02:06:42,840
Speaker 5: I went in I was excited about doing my first

2317
02:06:42,840 --> 02:06:47,080
Speaker 5: solo project. Shook everybody's hand and I sat down and

2318
02:06:47,120 --> 02:06:50,440
Speaker 5: I said, first of all, before we get started in

2319
02:06:50,440 --> 02:06:53,480
Speaker 5: this meeting, I said, I want to say I want

2320
02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:56,280
Speaker 5: to do a song to the Lord on this album.

2321
02:06:56,600 --> 02:06:58,520
Speaker 2: It was like, that's how you started the.

2322
02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:02,880
Speaker 5: Meeting, That's how I started to meeting, okay, and so

2323
02:07:03,440 --> 02:07:04,920
Speaker 5: I want to do a song to the Lord on

2324
02:07:05,000 --> 02:07:08,600
Speaker 5: this and like it's like you can hear crickets in there,

2325
02:07:08,640 --> 02:07:10,760
Speaker 5: and this is eighty five. This I don't know when

2326
02:07:10,840 --> 02:07:12,480
Speaker 5: Jesus Is Love came out, but.

2327
02:07:12,680 --> 02:07:15,440
Speaker 1: This that was eighty But again, it was a rare move.

2328
02:07:15,640 --> 02:07:20,200
Speaker 1: Like the door, you normalized it when you did it.

2329
02:07:20,320 --> 02:07:23,440
Speaker 1: Then everyone started doing it.

2330
02:07:23,480 --> 02:07:25,320
Speaker 5: But it was but at the time it was like,

2331
02:07:25,600 --> 02:07:27,800
Speaker 5: you know, I'm talking about putting you know, Denise would

2332
02:07:27,840 --> 02:07:30,640
Speaker 5: do a gospel album and then she going she come

2333
02:07:30,680 --> 02:07:32,280
Speaker 5: back and do an R and B album. I was

2334
02:07:32,320 --> 02:07:35,360
Speaker 5: talking about combining putting that on there. You know what

2335
02:07:35,400 --> 02:07:38,960
Speaker 5: I'm saying. And so like you know, this one cat

2336
02:07:39,000 --> 02:07:41,680
Speaker 5: starts talking, well, you know Howard, you know we might

2337
02:07:41,760 --> 02:07:44,080
Speaker 5: get into we want to take your career in the

2338
02:07:44,160 --> 02:07:49,720
Speaker 5: sex symbol direction might not be conducive to religious overtones

2339
02:07:49,760 --> 02:07:51,560
Speaker 5: and this and that and that and this, and then

2340
02:07:51,600 --> 02:07:54,280
Speaker 5: my management companies, the cat from my management. He started

2341
02:07:54,280 --> 02:07:56,960
Speaker 5: talking because I hadn't even talked to him about this yet, right,

2342
02:07:57,680 --> 02:08:01,880
Speaker 5: And so I'm sitting again, I said. I sat back

2343
02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:04,200
Speaker 5: and I listened. I listened to what they were saying,

2344
02:08:04,480 --> 02:08:06,800
Speaker 5: and all the time, in my head, I'm saying, Okay, lord,

2345
02:08:06,840 --> 02:08:09,600
Speaker 5: you know what am I supposed to do here? You

2346
02:08:09,680 --> 02:08:12,560
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. And so when they got done talking,

2347
02:08:13,320 --> 02:08:16,680
Speaker 5: I said, you know what, I hear you, and I

2348
02:08:16,760 --> 02:08:20,440
Speaker 5: understand you, and I can dig where you're coming from.

2349
02:08:20,720 --> 02:08:23,520
Speaker 5: I said, but maybe because in my mind, too, man,

2350
02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:26,680
Speaker 5: is that these people got to promote my record. I

2351
02:08:26,720 --> 02:08:29,320
Speaker 5: don't want to get anybody, you know.

2352
02:08:30,080 --> 02:08:31,920
Speaker 4: If you want to give them something that they're enthusiastic

2353
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:32,640
Speaker 4: about as well.

2354
02:08:32,720 --> 02:08:36,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, sour about promoting the record and stuff. But I

2355
02:08:36,320 --> 02:08:39,320
Speaker 5: had to stand, you know, I had to stand for

2356
02:08:39,440 --> 02:08:42,880
Speaker 5: what I had promised. And when I said, I said, look,

2357
02:08:43,400 --> 02:08:45,280
Speaker 5: I said, I understand it. I hear where you're coming

2358
02:08:45,320 --> 02:08:47,640
Speaker 5: from this nineteen eighty five, I said, But let me

2359
02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:50,560
Speaker 5: just let me let me go back and let me

2360
02:08:50,800 --> 02:08:55,120
Speaker 5: rephrase what I said. I said, let me say that

2361
02:08:55,600 --> 02:09:02,040
Speaker 5: I'm going to do a song ask him and asked, like,

2362
02:09:02,160 --> 02:09:04,040
Speaker 5: I'm going to do a song to the Lord on

2363
02:09:04,080 --> 02:09:09,320
Speaker 5: this album. Hit My promise to him sits up here

2364
02:09:09,440 --> 02:09:12,880
Speaker 5: as far as like my priorities and if it's like

2365
02:09:13,080 --> 02:09:15,960
Speaker 5: you know, and and I'm going to do a song

2366
02:09:16,040 --> 02:09:18,120
Speaker 5: to the Lord on this album. So I said, we

2367
02:09:18,160 --> 02:09:20,200
Speaker 5: can talk about everything else now, you know. So we

2368
02:09:20,280 --> 02:09:23,040
Speaker 5: talked about everything else, and then then you know, we

2369
02:09:23,080 --> 02:09:28,400
Speaker 5: went away once once Monte Seward, who's co writer on that,

2370
02:09:28,560 --> 02:09:31,560
Speaker 5: on that on same men. When we put it. When

2371
02:09:31,600 --> 02:09:34,960
Speaker 5: we put it together, man, it was like it was great.

2372
02:09:35,120 --> 02:09:39,280
Speaker 5: But I will say that it was nineteen eighty five

2373
02:09:40,080 --> 02:09:44,800
Speaker 5: around that time or so. And then I I was

2374
02:09:44,880 --> 02:09:48,080
Speaker 5: dating as a girl in Miami, lit was her family

2375
02:09:48,200 --> 02:09:51,960
Speaker 5: was in Miami. So I remember we were going to

2376
02:09:52,080 --> 02:09:54,760
Speaker 5: spend Thanksgiving there with her family. She had moved to

2377
02:09:54,880 --> 02:09:57,280
Speaker 5: la and we were going to spend Thanksgiving. So I

2378
02:09:57,360 --> 02:09:59,800
Speaker 5: was in the in the studio, you know, all the

2379
02:09:59,800 --> 02:10:02,400
Speaker 5: whole day, and she had already flown down there and

2380
02:10:02,440 --> 02:10:04,800
Speaker 5: I was gonna get on the red eye and meet

2381
02:10:04,800 --> 02:10:08,480
Speaker 5: her there, right So I get on a plane and

2382
02:10:09,320 --> 02:10:12,440
Speaker 5: Monty and I had come up with the track, like

2383
02:10:12,480 --> 02:10:16,480
Speaker 5: a real rough track for sa Men, and I knew

2384
02:10:16,560 --> 02:10:20,320
Speaker 5: that's what I wanted to be, you know, the inspirational song.

2385
02:10:20,840 --> 02:10:23,800
Speaker 5: So I jump on the Red Eye going to Miami

2386
02:10:23,840 --> 02:10:26,560
Speaker 5: and I get on the plane, I put my headphones on,

2387
02:10:26,640 --> 02:10:29,440
Speaker 5: I put the cassette in. It was on a cassette,

2388
02:10:29,480 --> 02:10:31,720
Speaker 5: you know, and so I was listening to about three

2389
02:10:31,760 --> 02:10:34,080
Speaker 5: or four songs that I still had to write melodies

2390
02:10:34,120 --> 02:10:36,960
Speaker 5: and lyrics to. And at the end of that cassette

2391
02:10:37,120 --> 02:10:41,240
Speaker 5: was a was like a real rough track of say Men,

2392
02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:43,360
Speaker 5: I mean one of the and it didn't even go

2393
02:10:43,400 --> 02:10:45,120
Speaker 5: all the way through it just you know, it's just

2394
02:10:45,160 --> 02:10:49,080
Speaker 5: a real rough track of Samen. And when it came on,

2395
02:10:50,240 --> 02:10:53,920
Speaker 5: all these lyrics started coming to me, and it's like,

2396
02:10:54,160 --> 02:10:56,640
Speaker 5: you know, it's time to say goodbye for now. You know,

2397
02:10:57,560 --> 02:11:00,360
Speaker 5: we'll have our second time around, sac in time around.

2398
02:11:00,400 --> 02:11:03,000
Speaker 5: You know, we'll have our second time around. But before

2399
02:11:03,040 --> 02:11:05,200
Speaker 5: we go, there's something I got to say. Everything's not

2400
02:11:05,280 --> 02:11:08,360
Speaker 5: what it seems. There's a stronger force behind the scene.

2401
02:11:08,440 --> 02:11:10,960
Speaker 5: He's in our lives every day. He's right there when

2402
02:11:11,000 --> 02:11:13,440
Speaker 5: we call on him. It's where and I'm writing and

2403
02:11:13,440 --> 02:11:15,880
Speaker 5: I'm writing, and there was this lady sitting next to me.

2404
02:11:16,360 --> 02:11:18,600
Speaker 5: And then when I got to the second I got

2405
02:11:18,600 --> 02:11:21,760
Speaker 5: to the second verse where it says talks about cattle

2406
02:11:21,800 --> 02:11:24,680
Speaker 5: on a thousand hills. My mom used to always tell

2407
02:11:24,720 --> 02:11:27,360
Speaker 5: me when I was a kid. She says, you're the

2408
02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:30,440
Speaker 5: King's kid. You're the King's kid, you know, and the

2409
02:11:30,520 --> 02:11:33,520
Speaker 5: king had he had, you know, your God's child. This

2410
02:11:33,560 --> 02:11:36,240
Speaker 5: is what she was saying. And she would always tell

2411
02:11:36,280 --> 02:11:40,040
Speaker 5: him there's golden cattle on a thousand hills, and that's yours.

2412
02:11:40,160 --> 02:11:42,680
Speaker 5: You know, that's yours because you're you're the King's kid.

2413
02:11:42,760 --> 02:11:45,120
Speaker 5: That's ours. You know, we're children of the God's God.

2414
02:11:45,560 --> 02:11:47,640
Speaker 5: And so when I started writing now and I said,

2415
02:11:48,040 --> 02:11:50,520
Speaker 5: you know, I know there's someone who don't believe. Sometimes

2416
02:11:50,560 --> 02:11:53,920
Speaker 5: it's very hard to see living those life every day.

2417
02:11:54,240 --> 02:11:56,680
Speaker 5: Some things don't go away, but to be without it

2418
02:11:56,760 --> 02:12:01,200
Speaker 5: is not his will. There's cattle on a thousand hill. Man,

2419
02:12:01,240 --> 02:12:03,960
Speaker 5: it hit me. I'm like writing it's cattle on the

2420
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:08,120
Speaker 5: thousand It hit me. There, tears started coming down, and

2421
02:12:08,160 --> 02:12:10,680
Speaker 5: this lady sitting next to me, like, what the hell

2422
02:12:10,840 --> 02:12:17,000
Speaker 5: is happening over here? You know, can I can I

2423
02:12:17,040 --> 02:12:21,400
Speaker 5: move my seat or something like that. But by the time,

2424
02:12:21,520 --> 02:12:26,680
Speaker 5: by time it touched down in uh at Miami, international lyrically.

2425
02:12:26,680 --> 02:12:27,920
Speaker 5: The song was totally done.

2426
02:12:28,120 --> 02:12:29,880
Speaker 8: It's crazy because you know, most people when they hear

2427
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:31,920
Speaker 8: that song, no matter how many times they hear that song,

2428
02:12:32,040 --> 02:12:34,640
Speaker 8: they feel the same way you felt when you wrote it,

2429
02:12:34,720 --> 02:12:37,000
Speaker 8: Like it's one of those songs where it just catch

2430
02:12:37,040 --> 02:12:38,200
Speaker 8: you no matter where you are, Like.

2431
02:12:39,400 --> 02:12:41,720
Speaker 5: It's an ultimate It's an ultimate crazy song.

2432
02:12:42,240 --> 02:12:44,320
Speaker 3: How they go to a single. They didn't even want

2433
02:12:44,320 --> 02:12:46,200
Speaker 3: the gospel song, and then it became a.

2434
02:12:46,080 --> 02:12:48,880
Speaker 1: Single because they playing they were playing the album cut

2435
02:12:48,920 --> 02:12:49,800
Speaker 1: on black radio.

2436
02:12:49,880 --> 02:12:51,760
Speaker 3: Right, they had to make so that Black radio made

2437
02:12:51,760 --> 02:12:52,280
Speaker 3: it a single.

2438
02:12:52,560 --> 02:12:54,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, they played it. I mean, you know Donnie Simpson

2439
02:12:55,040 --> 02:12:58,800
Speaker 5: ended in show. They did that the show he ended

2440
02:12:58,880 --> 02:13:02,560
Speaker 5: with a whole bunch of black radio uh shows across

2441
02:13:02,600 --> 02:13:06,680
Speaker 5: the across the country, you know, Uh ended it with it.

2442
02:13:06,800 --> 02:13:11,040
Speaker 5: And and then I did it at one of Black

2443
02:13:11,360 --> 02:13:14,680
Speaker 5: Black Radio Exclusive b r E. Remember I'm sitting in

2444
02:13:15,240 --> 02:13:18,120
Speaker 5: Miller's things. I closed up the closed up the whole

2445
02:13:18,320 --> 02:13:20,959
Speaker 5: h uh convention with that song.

2446
02:13:20,800 --> 02:13:24,160
Speaker 4: And stuff I remember from from like you did it

2447
02:13:24,200 --> 02:13:28,400
Speaker 4: also on the Robert Townsend part of the Crime Robert Towns.

2448
02:13:28,880 --> 02:13:31,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, when Robert, when Robert got in touch with me.

2449
02:13:31,120 --> 02:13:33,680
Speaker 5: That's because I'm still my boy. We we you know,

2450
02:13:33,760 --> 02:13:38,040
Speaker 5: we're really good friends still now. But like when he

2451
02:13:38,160 --> 02:13:41,040
Speaker 5: approached me about it, he called and called and asked

2452
02:13:41,040 --> 02:13:42,800
Speaker 5: and asked for a meeting. So I went over to

2453
02:13:42,800 --> 02:13:45,720
Speaker 5: where he was doing some stuff and went into the

2454
02:13:45,760 --> 02:13:47,920
Speaker 5: office and stuff, and he says, man, you know, I'm

2455
02:13:48,280 --> 02:13:51,600
Speaker 5: getting ready to do my my uh my Partners the Crime,

2456
02:13:51,680 --> 02:13:55,080
Speaker 5: my you know, HBO special. He said, I would love

2457
02:13:55,120 --> 02:13:57,960
Speaker 5: for you to do, you know, say man, I said, oh, man,

2458
02:13:58,040 --> 02:14:01,160
Speaker 5: that's what's up. Okay, let's gold. I love to be honest.

2459
02:14:01,560 --> 02:14:04,440
Speaker 5: And then he says, I want to sing it with you.

2460
02:14:05,680 --> 02:14:13,760
Speaker 5: Oh and my mind, you know, do you sing? I mean,

2461
02:14:13,800 --> 02:14:18,040
Speaker 5: I don't know, And I guess because I don't, you know,

2462
02:14:18,240 --> 02:14:20,400
Speaker 5: my face kind of tells all kind of stuff when

2463
02:14:20,440 --> 02:14:23,840
Speaker 5: I'm thinking. Sometimes I unfortunate. But like, you know, he

2464
02:14:23,960 --> 02:14:26,080
Speaker 5: looked at me and he said, hey, man, you know,

2465
02:14:26,280 --> 02:14:29,680
Speaker 5: this is my first special, this is my first HIO special.

2466
02:14:29,720 --> 02:14:32,400
Speaker 5: And I couldn't find I couldn't think of any other

2467
02:14:32,440 --> 02:14:35,200
Speaker 5: way to thank God, you know, for this first special

2468
02:14:36,160 --> 02:14:39,000
Speaker 5: thing in this with you. And it came off so

2469
02:14:39,280 --> 02:14:44,200
Speaker 5: cool and and what was interesting about that was that

2470
02:14:45,040 --> 02:14:48,879
Speaker 5: at the time when the Partners in Crime uh special

2471
02:14:49,000 --> 02:14:54,400
Speaker 5: air I was my second solo album had already been released.

2472
02:14:54,400 --> 02:14:57,960
Speaker 5: I Commit to Love was in the bend, second out.

2473
02:14:58,520 --> 02:15:03,000
Speaker 5: Yeah enough, already been released. But once that, once Partners

2474
02:15:03,000 --> 02:15:06,800
Speaker 5: in Crime aired across the country, you know, record stores

2475
02:15:06,880 --> 02:15:11,080
Speaker 5: had to reorder I commit to Love because everybody flowed,

2476
02:15:11,160 --> 02:15:14,520
Speaker 5: you know, flooded in, you know, looking for say amen,

2477
02:15:14,920 --> 02:15:15,440
Speaker 5: you know I.

2478
02:15:15,480 --> 02:15:17,960
Speaker 2: Was gonna say, was it was? Was this the this

2479
02:15:18,040 --> 02:15:18,960
Speaker 2: is pre Sylvia Rome.

2480
02:15:19,040 --> 02:15:23,640
Speaker 1: So this is like the Bob Maryland era of Electra Merton.

2481
02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:27,400
Speaker 1: Bob Marland I always called Marland. Was he there at

2482
02:15:27,400 --> 02:15:30,160
Speaker 1: the time or is it now? Well rock President was ahead,

2483
02:15:30,200 --> 02:15:32,720
Speaker 1: but Merlin, Bob wasn't there at the time, was.

2484
02:15:32,640 --> 02:15:34,560
Speaker 2: He or did he come in like eighty eight nine?

2485
02:15:34,640 --> 02:15:36,760
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't. I don't remember him, but that I

2486
02:15:36,760 --> 02:15:37,080
Speaker 5: didn't know.

2487
02:15:38,440 --> 02:15:42,200
Speaker 1: But afterwards did they of course acknowledge that.

2488
02:15:42,280 --> 02:15:46,040
Speaker 2: Okay, you was? He was on point with this then, you.

2489
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:49,320
Speaker 5: Know, because Bob and I had had had created a

2490
02:15:49,520 --> 02:15:52,760
Speaker 5: routine of like whenever I would start, whenever I get

2491
02:15:52,760 --> 02:15:55,320
Speaker 5: ready to start an album, I would I would call it.

2492
02:15:55,400 --> 02:15:57,560
Speaker 5: If I was in New York, I'd go have a

2493
02:15:57,640 --> 02:16:00,080
Speaker 5: meeting with him. And I was here and here's in

2494
02:16:00,120 --> 02:16:02,960
Speaker 5: New York, we we talk on the phone and just

2495
02:16:03,040 --> 02:16:05,360
Speaker 5: talk about and talk about the direction, talk about what

2496
02:16:05,400 --> 02:16:07,440
Speaker 5: I want to do, blah blah blah blah blah. And

2497
02:16:07,520 --> 02:16:10,440
Speaker 5: at the end of every after say man, at the

2498
02:16:10,520 --> 02:16:14,000
Speaker 5: end of every conversation, Bob said, well, I know you're

2499
02:16:14,000 --> 02:16:21,000
Speaker 5: gonna do another one of those gods songs, right, I'm

2500
02:16:21,000 --> 02:16:24,960
Speaker 5: gonna do another guy song. It's gonna be because, of

2501
02:16:25,000 --> 02:16:28,960
Speaker 5: course after the success and the popularity is say man,

2502
02:16:29,040 --> 02:16:31,200
Speaker 5: of course it was. It was everybody's idea.

2503
02:16:31,280 --> 02:16:34,280
Speaker 2: Then you know, wait they took credit for it.

2504
02:16:34,680 --> 02:16:37,000
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, so wait.

2505
02:16:36,840 --> 02:16:39,760
Speaker 2: Before we wrap, I got one. Unless you had something.

2506
02:16:39,760 --> 02:16:44,760
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say, man, show me, yes, thank you.

2507
02:16:45,720 --> 02:16:46,200
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2508
02:16:46,360 --> 02:16:49,640
Speaker 4: I don't know if you know like how popular that is.

2509
02:16:49,959 --> 02:16:53,520
Speaker 4: Me and my wife we danced, we step. That is

2510
02:16:53,520 --> 02:16:56,680
Speaker 4: a very popular stepping song, you know what I mean.

2511
02:16:56,720 --> 02:16:59,960
Speaker 4: But that's just I just a gorgeous song and beautiful

2512
02:17:00,320 --> 02:17:01,200
Speaker 4: performance everything.

2513
02:17:01,720 --> 02:17:03,959
Speaker 1: What was the inspiration for that and what was it

2514
02:17:04,000 --> 02:17:04,600
Speaker 1: like recording it?

2515
02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:11,760
Speaker 5: Don nettlesby and uh Terry Kofay. You know, it was

2516
02:17:11,800 --> 02:17:15,119
Speaker 5: this writing partner, Terry kole Fay. It was actually coffee

2517
02:17:15,160 --> 02:17:20,160
Speaker 5: he spelled, but he wanted to co face so that's cool,

2518
02:17:20,200 --> 02:17:23,720
Speaker 5: that's all good, you know. So they wrote this track.

2519
02:17:23,920 --> 02:17:26,520
Speaker 5: I forget how we got. I forget how we connected,

2520
02:17:27,120 --> 02:17:30,160
Speaker 5: but they got this track to me, man, and like,

2521
02:17:31,120 --> 02:17:33,760
Speaker 5: and when when I heard this track, I just moved

2522
02:17:33,760 --> 02:17:36,600
Speaker 5: into this new crib and I didn't have any recording

2523
02:17:36,600 --> 02:17:39,760
Speaker 5: equipment up or anything. So I'm like, I got this

2524
02:17:39,920 --> 02:17:42,880
Speaker 5: track and I was like, man, this track is amazing.

2525
02:17:42,959 --> 02:17:46,800
Speaker 5: It's an amazing, amazing track. And so I didn't have

2526
02:17:46,840 --> 02:17:49,280
Speaker 5: any recording equipment set up, so I had but I

2527
02:17:49,320 --> 02:17:53,400
Speaker 5: had two boomboxes that recorded you did. So I lay

2528
02:17:53,560 --> 02:17:55,440
Speaker 5: down in the in the middle of my floor and

2529
02:17:55,560 --> 02:17:59,400
Speaker 5: up in my up in my bedroom, and I had

2530
02:17:59,400 --> 02:18:03,640
Speaker 5: a like probably a bottle red wine, you know, and

2531
02:18:04,440 --> 02:18:06,760
Speaker 5: I put one box on one side, one box on it.

2532
02:18:06,959 --> 02:18:10,600
Speaker 5: I put concess in and I started bouncing things, you know,

2533
02:18:10,640 --> 02:18:13,960
Speaker 5: from that, and I started coming up with with, you know,

2534
02:18:14,080 --> 02:18:17,960
Speaker 5: different scenarios, different things I wanted to think about, things

2535
02:18:18,000 --> 02:18:20,560
Speaker 5: that romantic stuff that I wanted to do with my

2536
02:18:20,640 --> 02:18:23,720
Speaker 5: woman for my woman and all that and like and

2537
02:18:23,760 --> 02:18:26,600
Speaker 5: then that hook came. And then the hook was just

2538
02:18:26,720 --> 02:18:30,320
Speaker 5: so money, man. It was just it was you know,

2539
02:18:30,400 --> 02:18:32,880
Speaker 5: it was like, you know, like you do some songs

2540
02:18:32,920 --> 02:18:36,720
Speaker 5: in it, and it's like fighting you pulling teeth to

2541
02:18:36,800 --> 02:18:41,720
Speaker 5: make just go here and may it fit melody and

2542
02:18:41,959 --> 02:18:45,600
Speaker 5: you know, uh, praising life. Man, show me. It was

2543
02:18:45,680 --> 02:18:48,600
Speaker 5: like butter and it just came down and like you

2544
02:18:50,000 --> 02:18:56,440
Speaker 5: to let me know, just to let this go, help me,

2545
02:19:00,160 --> 02:19:03,840
Speaker 5: show me, you know what I'm it's like. And then

2546
02:19:03,920 --> 02:19:06,160
Speaker 5: the video was like crazy man.

2547
02:19:06,440 --> 02:19:09,600
Speaker 1: Of course I remember that video. Yeah, of course it was.

2548
02:19:13,520 --> 02:19:15,440
Speaker 5: You know what was hated?

2549
02:19:16,800 --> 02:19:19,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did, yeah, very much, so very much.

2550
02:19:19,280 --> 02:19:21,680
Speaker 8: So I just wanted to say, if I was ushow

2551
02:19:21,720 --> 02:19:24,160
Speaker 8: must be a very religious experience. And the way that

2552
02:19:24,240 --> 02:19:26,520
Speaker 8: you put these songs together and the way that the

2553
02:19:27,040 --> 02:19:29,160
Speaker 8: at least the ladies or if some of the fellas

2554
02:19:29,240 --> 02:19:31,840
Speaker 8: received them live, like do.

2555
02:19:31,959 --> 02:19:33,800
Speaker 3: You see that in the crowd? Do you see people

2556
02:19:33,920 --> 02:19:34,840
Speaker 3: responding in a way.

2557
02:19:34,800 --> 02:19:40,080
Speaker 5: That's like like most shows crazy? It's crazy. If I

2558
02:19:40,200 --> 02:19:42,480
Speaker 5: had a dollar for every time a cat came up

2559
02:19:42,520 --> 02:19:48,320
Speaker 5: to me, man, you helped me out, man, I'd be

2560
02:19:48,520 --> 02:19:51,360
Speaker 5: I'd be a multi millionaire at this time. And and

2561
02:19:51,680 --> 02:19:54,480
Speaker 5: like I always say, you know, my thing is like

2562
02:19:55,640 --> 02:19:58,480
Speaker 5: you know, some cats don't know what to say, you

2563
02:19:58,560 --> 02:20:01,800
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, So my thing is like Okay,

2564
02:20:01,840 --> 02:20:03,880
Speaker 5: I'll give you what to say. You can say, listen

2565
02:20:03,920 --> 02:20:07,520
Speaker 5: to Howard, listen out show me uh once twice three times,

2566
02:20:08,600 --> 02:20:11,640
Speaker 5: you know, and and listen to how Listen and I

2567
02:20:11,760 --> 02:20:13,720
Speaker 5: tell them, now, I can get you to the bedroom.

2568
02:20:14,200 --> 02:20:15,760
Speaker 5: I can get you through the bedroom door.

2569
02:20:16,320 --> 02:20:17,039
Speaker 2: But you got the.

2570
02:20:18,720 --> 02:20:20,080
Speaker 5: Bedroom with you, right, So.

2571
02:20:22,480 --> 02:20:24,680
Speaker 3: All the credit and.

2572
02:20:24,720 --> 02:20:26,880
Speaker 9: Then when I do when I do the shows, I mean,

2573
02:20:26,920 --> 02:20:31,040
Speaker 9: it's so it's so beautiful because you know, before BC,

2574
02:20:31,280 --> 02:20:34,440
Speaker 9: before COVID, anyway, I would spend most of my time

2575
02:20:34,560 --> 02:20:38,240
Speaker 9: in the audience rather than on stage because I like

2576
02:20:38,360 --> 02:20:39,920
Speaker 9: to I like to feel my audience.

2577
02:20:40,000 --> 02:20:42,800
Speaker 5: I like to have them participate. And it's a beautiful

2578
02:20:42,879 --> 02:20:45,560
Speaker 5: thing because you know a lot of cats there with

2579
02:20:45,680 --> 02:20:48,480
Speaker 5: their women and they with the lady and their pointing

2580
02:20:48,600 --> 02:20:54,920
Speaker 5: come sing to her. Yeah, you know, because she ain't

2581
02:20:54,959 --> 02:21:00,240
Speaker 5: gone home with me? Right? All right?

2582
02:21:00,360 --> 02:21:03,040
Speaker 1: Well, I got to ask this one last question because

2583
02:21:03,240 --> 02:21:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, I've asked one too many soldiering questions. But

2584
02:21:06,680 --> 02:21:10,000
Speaker 1: I know that you took over the theme to the

2585
02:21:10,080 --> 02:21:14,320
Speaker 1: show in eighty seven with George Duke. What was what

2586
02:21:14,480 --> 02:21:17,120
Speaker 1: was the well, like what was the process? Like basically

2587
02:21:17,240 --> 02:21:18,960
Speaker 1: Don just asked you guys to do it? Or like

2588
02:21:19,120 --> 02:21:20,400
Speaker 1: how how did that go down.

2589
02:21:20,840 --> 02:21:23,080
Speaker 5: Don asked George to do it, and George asked me

2590
02:21:23,200 --> 02:21:25,400
Speaker 5: to do it, you know what I'm saying. So it

2591
02:21:25,520 --> 02:21:28,280
Speaker 5: wasn't it wasn't a collaborative situation as far as I

2592
02:21:28,320 --> 02:21:31,040
Speaker 5: ask concerned. But you know, George said, George, you know,

2593
02:21:31,160 --> 02:21:32,880
Speaker 5: George and I wrote a bunch of stuff, you know,

2594
02:21:33,040 --> 02:21:35,680
Speaker 5: through the years, and a bunch of theme songs for

2595
02:21:35,800 --> 02:21:39,320
Speaker 5: this and and that and and I mean we did

2596
02:21:40,080 --> 02:21:43,520
Speaker 5: a song for he said. He said, how I want

2597
02:21:43,560 --> 02:21:46,360
Speaker 5: you to come write these lyrics, you know, for this

2598
02:21:46,959 --> 02:21:50,039
Speaker 5: pop artist over in Japan, right, I forget the cast's name,

2599
02:21:50,520 --> 02:21:53,160
Speaker 5: he said, But you can't get deep. This dude is

2600
02:21:53,240 --> 02:21:55,480
Speaker 5: not deep. You can't get deep. It's got to be shallow.

2601
02:21:58,400 --> 02:22:01,360
Speaker 1: So I love you, you have baby O my mind,

2602
02:22:01,400 --> 02:22:03,600
Speaker 1: I think about that time.

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02:22:04,600 --> 02:22:09,520
Speaker 5: I wrote called New York Girl. You know, it's like

2604
02:22:09,680 --> 02:22:12,640
Speaker 5: it's like, you know, I can't even remember lyrics, but

2605
02:22:13,160 --> 02:22:16,000
Speaker 5: but it was. That's the perfect But now with the

2606
02:22:16,080 --> 02:22:20,480
Speaker 5: Souldier and award thing, uh, Don, George was taken over

2607
02:22:20,600 --> 02:22:23,000
Speaker 5: all the stuff as far as that's concerned. And then

2608
02:22:23,080 --> 02:22:24,920
Speaker 5: he asked me to come in and do uh, do

2609
02:22:25,640 --> 02:22:30,879
Speaker 5: some ad libs and stuff on the on the so yeah, So.

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Speaker 1: What is it I guess in closing, what is it

2611
02:22:33,600 --> 02:22:37,440
Speaker 1: that you've what is it that you've learned that made

2612
02:22:37,480 --> 02:22:40,200
Speaker 1: you a wiser human being? Like it just in your

2613
02:22:41,440 --> 02:22:44,760
Speaker 1: your your your journey m hmm to this point that

2614
02:22:44,959 --> 02:22:47,720
Speaker 1: that's brought you here to this day, that still has

2615
02:22:47,800 --> 02:22:48,040
Speaker 1: you here.

2616
02:22:49,000 --> 02:22:51,360
Speaker 5: You know, that's that's the deep question, because you know,

2617
02:22:51,480 --> 02:22:55,920
Speaker 5: you learn so much on your way, in different scenarios,

2618
02:22:56,400 --> 02:22:59,760
Speaker 5: in different places. I think one of the things though,

2619
02:22:59,840 --> 02:23:03,280
Speaker 5: that is most important as as an artist for me

2620
02:23:04,120 --> 02:23:07,200
Speaker 5: and as a man, as with your integrity, as far

2621
02:23:07,280 --> 02:23:10,240
Speaker 5: as as concerned, is to let your yes be yes,

2622
02:23:10,320 --> 02:23:13,640
Speaker 5: and your nobo no. You know what I'm saying, Understand

2623
02:23:13,879 --> 02:23:16,400
Speaker 5: and do and say what you're gonna do, what you're

2624
02:23:16,440 --> 02:23:19,760
Speaker 5: gonna You know, like I said in the earlier situation,

2625
02:23:19,959 --> 02:23:23,080
Speaker 5: my word was was worth more even before I knew

2626
02:23:23,160 --> 02:23:26,400
Speaker 5: that my word was worth more than than anything any

2627
02:23:26,400 --> 02:23:29,960
Speaker 5: piece of paper I could sign. You know, your integrity

2628
02:23:30,040 --> 02:23:34,320
Speaker 5: will follow you through this business closer than anything else will.

2629
02:23:34,680 --> 02:23:36,800
Speaker 5: All you can do, you can do all that, you

2630
02:23:36,879 --> 02:23:38,920
Speaker 5: can have, all the hit records you want, all the

2631
02:23:39,440 --> 02:23:41,720
Speaker 5: you know, the love people love. But if you are

2632
02:23:42,000 --> 02:23:46,720
Speaker 5: a flaky person and and and and deal in uh

2633
02:23:46,879 --> 02:23:51,440
Speaker 5: situations where your integrity is not you know, intact. You

2634
02:23:51,520 --> 02:23:55,120
Speaker 5: know it's it doesn't mean anything. It really doesn't mean

2635
02:23:55,160 --> 02:23:57,240
Speaker 5: because at the end of the day, it's gonna be

2636
02:23:57,280 --> 02:24:01,000
Speaker 5: about who this man? What you as a man is about?

2637
02:24:01,200 --> 02:24:03,800
Speaker 5: What are you about? You know, you can do all

2638
02:24:03,840 --> 02:24:06,880
Speaker 5: the music and people say, what do you want? What

2639
02:24:06,959 --> 02:24:09,800
Speaker 5: do you want your music? Want people to remember about

2640
02:24:09,840 --> 02:24:12,160
Speaker 5: your music? I want to remember the integrity of my

2641
02:24:12,320 --> 02:24:13,720
Speaker 5: music that I stayed.

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02:24:14,240 --> 02:24:15,280
Speaker 1: I stayed in.

2643
02:24:15,640 --> 02:24:18,320
Speaker 5: Av I had people saying you should put rapper, and

2644
02:24:18,360 --> 02:24:20,000
Speaker 5: you used to put a rap thing, you should do

2645
02:24:20,200 --> 02:24:22,880
Speaker 5: some talk about you know, sex and all this kind

2646
02:24:22,920 --> 02:24:25,920
Speaker 5: of stuff. Now that's not my lane. You know what

2647
02:24:26,000 --> 02:24:29,080
Speaker 5: I'm saying. My lane is like here and stay here,

2648
02:24:29,160 --> 02:24:33,080
Speaker 5: and and I have to. When I got in this business,

2649
02:24:33,360 --> 02:24:39,600
Speaker 5: I wanted to be I wanted to achieve longevity. I

2650
02:24:39,680 --> 02:24:42,240
Speaker 5: didn't want to just come into this business, make a

2651
02:24:42,360 --> 02:24:44,400
Speaker 5: couple of hit records and then go laid out on

2652
02:24:44,520 --> 02:24:46,840
Speaker 5: the beach. You know what I'm saying. I wanted to

2653
02:24:46,920 --> 02:24:49,000
Speaker 5: work at it. I wanted to work the work ethic,

2654
02:24:49,120 --> 02:24:52,920
Speaker 5: what it takes to keep and stay and keep your

2655
02:24:52,959 --> 02:24:58,400
Speaker 5: integrity in this business. And as a man, you know,

2656
02:24:58,560 --> 02:25:01,960
Speaker 5: man It's like, you know where I where I've come

2657
02:25:02,160 --> 02:25:04,680
Speaker 5: as far as where I am now, is that I

2658
02:25:04,760 --> 02:25:08,080
Speaker 5: can look in the mirror and say, I like that cat.

2659
02:25:08,280 --> 02:25:10,840
Speaker 5: He's cool. It's all right, it's cool. You know what

2660
02:25:10,920 --> 02:25:14,960
Speaker 5: I'm saying. And I've had my my, my, my craziness

2661
02:25:15,560 --> 02:25:19,760
Speaker 5: and all that. But hey, it's about you know, praise God.

2662
02:25:20,520 --> 02:25:22,959
Speaker 5: That's that's all I can say. Praise God.

2663
02:25:23,840 --> 02:25:24,640
Speaker 2: That's all you can say.

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02:25:24,720 --> 02:25:27,840
Speaker 1: Man, Well, thank you very much, brother Ewett, thank you

2665
02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:31,520
Speaker 1: for doing our show. It's been a pleasure.

2666
02:25:32,800 --> 02:25:34,280
Speaker 5: Pleasure zoom pleasure.

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02:25:34,560 --> 02:25:37,279
Speaker 1: Sugar, Steve, are you are you gearing up to say.

2668
02:25:39,440 --> 02:25:40,840
Speaker 5: Knocked out over there a minute ago?

2669
02:25:41,760 --> 02:25:43,000
Speaker 1: Now that's just the weed talking.

2670
02:25:45,160 --> 02:25:45,879
Speaker 2: I'm serious.

2671
02:25:45,959 --> 02:25:50,039
Speaker 1: I'm on the scissor tonight. So you got a cold.

2672
02:25:50,160 --> 02:25:51,840
Speaker 1: I never went fully unconscious, but.

2673
02:25:54,320 --> 02:25:55,040
Speaker 2: You're Oh.

2674
02:25:55,080 --> 02:25:57,120
Speaker 8: I told you you wosibly tell people that you got

2675
02:25:57,200 --> 02:25:58,160
Speaker 8: to do disclaimers and stuff.

2676
02:25:58,160 --> 02:25:59,120
Speaker 3: You can't just put that out there.

2677
02:26:00,320 --> 02:26:02,000
Speaker 5: Just a good thing.

2678
02:26:02,040 --> 02:26:04,440
Speaker 8: We're on zoom, right, And I said, but look, they

2679
02:26:04,520 --> 02:26:07,240
Speaker 8: worked receive like three hours ago.

2680
02:26:07,480 --> 02:26:14,680
Speaker 4: So I was gonna say, Howard man, like some years ago.

2681
02:26:14,879 --> 02:26:17,200
Speaker 4: This has been over a decade ago. I actually met you,

2682
02:26:17,400 --> 02:26:19,160
Speaker 4: I ran in you. It was real quick. It was

2683
02:26:19,160 --> 02:26:22,640
Speaker 4: an lax and if I'm not mistaken, I think it

2684
02:26:22,720 --> 02:26:25,240
Speaker 4: was it was lax. But you were just just as

2685
02:26:25,280 --> 02:26:27,640
Speaker 4: you are now, man, super cool, and I just walked up.

2686
02:26:27,640 --> 02:26:29,640
Speaker 4: I was like, yo, man, I'm a big fan, and

2687
02:26:30,520 --> 02:26:32,560
Speaker 4: like you were just kind of low key. So I

2688
02:26:32,680 --> 02:26:34,160
Speaker 4: didn't want to blow your spot up, you know what

2689
02:26:34,160 --> 02:26:35,440
Speaker 4: I mean? Because I was like, all right, I don't

2690
02:26:35,440 --> 02:26:37,960
Speaker 4: want to make people notice. And then it's like thirty

2691
02:26:38,000 --> 02:26:40,080
Speaker 4: more people coming, so I just I was like, yo,

2692
02:26:40,120 --> 02:26:40,440
Speaker 4: I'm a fan.

2693
02:26:40,480 --> 02:26:40,680
Speaker 1: Brother.

2694
02:26:40,720 --> 02:26:42,800
Speaker 4: He was like, thank you man, like super cool, and

2695
02:26:42,879 --> 02:26:44,440
Speaker 4: I started the tweet. I was like, yo, I just

2696
02:26:44,520 --> 02:26:46,360
Speaker 4: met how you and I thought, I was like, I

2697
02:26:46,440 --> 02:26:49,160
Speaker 4: don't know what was he doing out here, so let's me. No,

2698
02:26:51,879 --> 02:26:55,240
Speaker 4: I don't want to blow the spot up or whatever, but.

2699
02:26:58,080 --> 02:26:59,680
Speaker 5: Sneaking, you know, right right?

2700
02:27:00,040 --> 02:27:02,480
Speaker 4: But you were super cool and I just I never

2701
02:27:02,600 --> 02:27:04,760
Speaker 4: forgot that man, and just where you were a class

2702
02:27:04,800 --> 02:27:05,680
Speaker 4: act and you still are.

2703
02:27:05,720 --> 02:27:07,520
Speaker 1: And I just thank you for the music and for

2704
02:27:07,560 --> 02:27:08,760
Speaker 1: all your man for.

2705
02:27:09,160 --> 02:27:12,480
Speaker 5: Absolutely thank you. I always say, man, we're all in

2706
02:27:12,560 --> 02:27:15,240
Speaker 5: this thing together, none of us getting out of this

2707
02:27:15,400 --> 02:27:17,400
Speaker 5: thing alive, you know what I'm saying, So we might

2708
02:27:17,440 --> 02:27:20,000
Speaker 5: as well might as well do this together and be

2709
02:27:20,120 --> 02:27:25,560
Speaker 5: as as cordial and respectful and right, you know, as

2710
02:27:25,720 --> 02:27:29,520
Speaker 5: as possible. Unfortunately, some of my peers, you know, use

2711
02:27:29,600 --> 02:27:33,320
Speaker 5: their celebrity as an excuse to be rude to people.

2712
02:27:33,440 --> 02:27:36,240
Speaker 5: But you know it's like, especially in this business, it's

2713
02:27:36,360 --> 02:27:37,880
Speaker 5: like we're not athletes.

2714
02:27:37,959 --> 02:27:38,120
Speaker 1: You know.

2715
02:27:38,280 --> 02:27:42,120
Speaker 5: Sometimes athletes they want people to hate them because they'll

2716
02:27:42,160 --> 02:27:45,360
Speaker 5: come to the stadium to hate them. But in this business,

2717
02:27:45,400 --> 02:27:48,160
Speaker 5: if somebody hate you, they ain't gonna buy your records.

2718
02:27:48,200 --> 02:27:51,760
Speaker 5: Are customer service true truthactly?

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02:27:52,160 --> 02:27:55,360
Speaker 1: Well, we thank you for doing our show on behalf

2720
02:27:55,440 --> 02:28:01,600
Speaker 1: of Scissor Steve and unpaid Bill. Putting the kids to

2721
02:28:01,680 --> 02:28:05,880
Speaker 1: bed right now, Fontagelo and Laiya this Quest Love once

2722
02:28:05,879 --> 02:28:10,080
Speaker 1: again the immortal Howard hewittt Quest Love Supreme and we

2723
02:28:10,160 --> 02:28:15,400
Speaker 1: will see you next go round. Thank you y'all. What's up?

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02:28:15,440 --> 02:28:16,080
Speaker 1: This is fante.

2725
02:28:16,560 --> 02:28:18,760
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2726
02:28:18,879 --> 02:28:20,680
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02:28:20,840 --> 02:28:22,760
Speaker 1: Who should be next to sit down with us? Don't

2728
02:28:22,800 --> 02:28:32,440
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02:28:32,520 --> 02:28:39,119
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