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Speaker 4: Is showing me around the house. We're in a static

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Speaker 4: key video call. The curtains are drawn, blocking out as

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Speaker 4: much sunlight as possible. Today is a very hot day

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Speaker 4: in northern on dudas she had already forgotten how clammy

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Speaker 4: and humid the summer can be here.

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Speaker 4: She points the camera around the room where she and

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Speaker 4: her three kids sleep. She shares the bed with the youngest.

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Speaker 4: Then she walks downstairs and points the phone to two

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Speaker 4: of her kids. They're sitting in front of the television

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Speaker 4: on their little plastic chairs, playing a video game Roeblocks.

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Speaker 4: If you know, you know, they're so locked in that

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Speaker 4: they don't even look up when walks by. She says,

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Speaker 4: this is how they spend their days now inside because

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Speaker 4: it's really hot out. Plus they don't have many friends.

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Speaker 4: Yet in Ondudahs, things seem pretty ordinary. Heresa is taking

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Speaker 4: care of her children, her kids are being kids, and

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Speaker 4: she has a roof over her head. But the truth

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Speaker 4: is things here are not okay. Behind this veil of normality,

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Speaker 4: Orgoyosa's family is begrudgingly adjusting to their new lives. They're

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Speaker 4: navigating a traumatic and abrupt change, and this is slowly

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Speaker 3: It difas in Viviraq.

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Speaker 4: She says, it's difficult to live here. Orgoyosa settles onto

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Speaker 4: the bed and gets comfortable. I'm the first reporter. She's

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Speaker 4: going to tell the story of how she ended up here,

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Speaker 4: deported to Honduras. Now, Orgoyosa is not her real name.

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Speaker 4: We're going to be using pseudonymes for her and her

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Speaker 3: Starting THO, I time Passando di si Raqi.

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Speaker 4: After seven years of working hard at building a life

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Speaker 4: in the US with her children, now she's back here

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Speaker 4: in the country she once left behind, starting over from zero.

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Speaker 4: This sudden instability in her life feels like whiplash because

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Speaker 4: she's gone through it before. She's already had to start over,

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Speaker 4: and here she is a second time.

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Speaker 5: From Puduro Media. It's Latino USA. I'm Maria ino Josa.

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Speaker 5: Today we meet a family that was recently deported to

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Speaker 5: Hoduras despite having legal protections to remain in the US.

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Speaker 5: We learn how this family story is now part of

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Speaker 5: a broader legal effort to return others like them who

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Speaker 5: are protected under a legal settlement with the US government.

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Speaker 5: You just heard from Latino USA producer Ronaldo Leanoz Junior

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Speaker 5: at the top of our show.

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Speaker 4: He's going to bring us the rest of the story.

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Speaker 4: On October fourteen, the American Civil Liberties Union, also known

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Speaker 6: What we are asking the court to do is very.

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Speaker 4: Straightforward, that's legal learned. He's a lawyer in the filing

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Speaker 4: and director of the acou's Immigrant Rights project. The motion

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Speaker 4: he filed alleges that the US government deported orgo Yosa's

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Speaker 4: family and other previously separated families despite them having parole

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Speaker 6: We believe that these families were removed illegally and we

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Speaker 4: Go learned claims part of their deportation was illegal because

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Speaker 4: orgo Yosa and her family had parole status until July

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty seven, and this form of protection was granted

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Speaker 6: We reached a comprehensive settlement with the government during the

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Speaker 4: The Misseell Agreement has roots that stem back to the

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Speaker 4: Trump administrations twenty eighteen zero tolerance policy, when thousands of

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Speaker 4: The agreement was meant to, in a way, helped write

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Speaker 4: some of the wrongs of the family separation policies under

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Speaker 4: services and parole status. It all dates back to early

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Speaker 4: The agents took all of their belongings. They gave her

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Speaker 4: He asked her if she knew what was going to

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Speaker 4: She says the other mothers around her were told the

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Speaker 4: Later, immigration officials came back and told her they were

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Speaker 4: When she regained consciousness, her daughter was gone one by one.

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Speaker 4: The other mothers at the facility also experienced the same thing.

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Speaker 4: She says, all of their children were taken. Ogyosa was desperate.

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Speaker 4: She says it felt like her life was ending. While

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Speaker 4: these family separations were happening, images of kids in cages

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Speaker 4: the aisle rebuked Trump's policy After immense public backlash, Zero

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Speaker 4: Congress revealed that thousands more were separated from their parents

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Speaker 4: When she saw her daughter. She felt so happy they

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Speaker 4: He vividly remembers this era as.

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Speaker 6: Sad and frustrating. This is the worst thing I've ever

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Speaker 4: After Orgyosa was reunited with her daughter, she thought the

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Speaker 4: horror they lived through was finally over. She set out

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Speaker 4: was also a to bring her eldest son to the US,

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Speaker 4: whom she'd left back in on Dudahs. She began a

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Speaker 4: She started living her American dream, a better life than

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Speaker 3: Yes the Empress Epipi and Sema c Empressippi and Altuna.

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Speaker 4: Estraya would urinate herself at home and even at school.

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Speaker 4: Israa went to therapy. She learned that her young daughter

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Speaker 4: Several years after their initial separation. As Esterrea started to heal,

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Speaker 4: to some sense of normalcy for their family. The Misseelle

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Speaker 4: Orguyosa gained more concrete protections, like the parole status that

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Speaker 5: Coming up on Latino USA, we learned what led to

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Speaker 5: Orguyosa's sudden deportation to Honduras. When Trump took office for

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Speaker 5: Before the break, we met Orguyosa. She was recently deported

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Speaker 5: Now we're going to hear from Uyosa about the harassment

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Speaker 5: her deportation. Latino USA producer Renaldo Lanos Junior continues, from here.

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Speaker 7: All illegal entry will immediately be halted, and we will

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Speaker 4: When Trump became president earlier this year, Urguyosa says she

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Speaker 4: They told her she needed to go online and schedule

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Speaker 4: Validosa was confused, When she arrived for her made check in,

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Speaker 4: It was the first time in more than seven years

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Speaker 5: NBC six was the as person after person left Miami's

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Speaker 3: The last thing?

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Speaker 4: Not Ama right now? They told her when is it for?

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Speaker 4: Chadwick is the pro bono director of the immigrant rights

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Speaker 4: It was during this time, when Ougoyosa had her ankle

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Speaker 4: They started to check in with her constantly. One day

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Speaker 1: It all seemed intentional and I've never before seen this.

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Speaker 4: The acl Youth filing also says that the immigration judge

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Speaker 1: It's not clear at what stage of ices representation she

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Speaker 4: I reviewed the motion filed by the ACLU, and it

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Speaker 4: During Orgosa's increased check ins, her partner broke up with her.

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Speaker 4: Orgosa felt like her head was going to explode. Then

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Speaker 6: We'll just keep fighting until there's nothing low any reason

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Speaker 4: Urguosa has now been living in Honduras for more than

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Speaker 3: See you have made the answer, Micastle against also Nilo.

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Speaker 4: If God allows, I'm going to fight my case in

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Speaker 5: ACLUS motion shows Orguyosa and her kids were in ice

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