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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: The so called sexy assassin. I don't even know how

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Speaker 2: those two words go in one sentence. The so called

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Speaker 2: sexy assassin. CEO killer Luigi Mangioni has an outburst in

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Speaker 2: court as he is led out of the room after

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Speaker 2: being told he is going to trial in June.

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Speaker 1: You know what, has he been fed with a silverspoon?

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Speaker 2: His whole life, had every privilege, every opportunity, and he

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Speaker 2: still smarts off at the judge. Oh, I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us in the last days. Accused killer Luigim

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Speaker 2: Mangione has an outburst in court as he's being led

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Speaker 2: out of the room. Mangione, twenty seven, made an appear

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Speaker 2: apearance in Manhattan, where the judge declared the state will

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Speaker 2: go forward with trial in June. Now that's several months

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Speaker 2: earlier than we had predicted, and it will now predate,

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Speaker 2: in other words, happened before federal charges in connection with

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Speaker 2: the shooting death of United health Care CEO Brian Thompson.

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Speaker 1: Now his lawyers.

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Speaker 2: Mangoni's lawyers complained about the new schedule, arguing it would

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Speaker 2: not give them time to prepare, and as he was

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Speaker 2: being led away, he verbally attacked the judge, yelling out

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Speaker 2: one plus one equals two. This is the same trial twice.

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Speaker 2: This is double jeopardy. Well you know what, Mangone, While

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Speaker 2: you were surfing in Hawaii and tickling girls, caught on

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Speaker 2: camera now complaining you have a back ailment, other people

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Speaker 2: were hard at work, law school and trying cases. And

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Speaker 2: maybe you missed law school that day when dual sovereignty

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Speaker 2: was discussed. In other words, the same act can result

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Speaker 2: in state and federal charges. Bam, look it up, Luigi Mangioni.

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Speaker 2: You got plenty of time to do that behind bars,

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Speaker 2: and if you need another lawyer to research it, you

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Speaker 2: can use the tens of thousands of dollars that love

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Speaker 2: sick females have been sending you behind bars.

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Speaker 1: What is double jeopardy?

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Speaker 2: Double jeopardy means a person cannot be prosecuted for the

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Speaker 2: same crime twice before he killed over.

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Speaker 1: I got questions all the time.

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Speaker 2: If OJ Simpson confesses, can he be retried? The sad

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Speaker 2: answer no, he could never be retried because of double jeopardy.

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Speaker 2: That's why the state better be ready when it tries case.

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Speaker 1: First time, because.

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Speaker 2: You get one swing at the ball, one bite of

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Speaker 2: the apple.

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Speaker 1: Det is it?

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Speaker 2: If you fail, it's over? What happened to United Healthcare

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Speaker 2: Boss Brian Thompson? A husband and father A precious boy.

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Speaker 3: Masked gunman shoots dead the United Healthcare CEO in Midtown

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Speaker 3: Manhattan and urgent search ensues for the suspect. Last scene

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Speaker 3: entering Central.

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Speaker 2: Park, marriage secrets being revealed as this health boss worth

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Speaker 2: millions of dollars is gunned down and open around the public.

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Speaker 2: What do we make of clues left behind? Cryptic and

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Speaker 2: odd clues? For instance, bullets found actually have been inscribed

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Speaker 2: with letters on them.

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Speaker 1: A cell phone had been left behind. Is there DNA on.

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Speaker 2: A water bottle? Was this a pro? A silencer was used?

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Speaker 2: And in the middle of the assassination, the gun jams

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Speaker 2: and seemingly the pro shooter simply adjusted and continued firing. Everyone,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. If this can happen.

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Speaker 1: In public, what are we to think of it? Well,

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Speaker 1: take a listen.

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Speaker 2: To what the chief of detectives has to say.

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Speaker 4: This morning at six forty six am, patrol offices from

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Speaker 4: Midtown North Precinct responded to a nine to one one

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Speaker 4: call of a person shot in front of the Hilton

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Speaker 4: Hotel located at thirteen thirty five Avenue of the Americas.

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Speaker 4: This is between West fifty third Street and West fifty

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Speaker 4: fourth Street. At six forty eight am. Officers arrive and

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Speaker 4: find the victim, Brian R. Thompson, a fifty year old

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Speaker 4: male on the sidewalk in front of the Hilton, with

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Speaker 4: gunshot wounds to his back and leg.

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Speaker 2: You know, the way the sheoter handled the weapon, the

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Speaker 2: use of a silencer, the mask, the lying in wait

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Speaker 2: all indicates a professional hit. But a pro wouldn't want

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Speaker 2: to be caught. A pro would do everything not to

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Speaker 2: get caught. So then why we're there, especially engraved bullets

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Speaker 2: with cryptic messages on them. Mm mmm, it sounds like

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Speaker 2: a fifth grade girl riding a crime thriller. Something's way

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Speaker 2: off with this. Joining me and all star panel to

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Speaker 2: make sense of what we know right now, but for

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Speaker 2: a straight out to investigative reporter Lauren Conlin joining US

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Speaker 2: co host Primetime Crime on YouTube and you can find

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Speaker 2: her at Popcrime dot tv, who has gone to the

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Speaker 2: scene and investigated.

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Speaker 1: Lauren, what can you tell us?

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Speaker 5: Yes, Nancy on the street, the entire street of West

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Speaker 5: fifty third Street was blocked off. There was plane clothes

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Speaker 5: detectives as well as uniformed officers basically not saying anything.

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Speaker 1: I asked questions. I asked witnesses if.

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Speaker 5: They heard anything, and the parking lot attendants were actually

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Speaker 5: there earlier that morning, but they said, you know, due

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Speaker 5: to the silencer, they didn't hear anything.

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Speaker 2: Tell me your understanding, what you learned of what happened,

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Speaker 2: Starting at the beginning.

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Speaker 5: Starting at the beginning, I learned that Brian Thompson arrived

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Speaker 5: in New York Monday. Now he was not staying at

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Speaker 5: the Hilton. He was staying at a hotel across the street.

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Speaker 5: He was set to speak at eight am at their

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Speaker 5: annual investors conference, and he was arriving early at six

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Speaker 5: forty five. So as he walked into the entrance of

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Speaker 5: the Hilton, it was revealed by NYPD that this gunman

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Chief Detective Joe Kenny.

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Speaker 4: Mister Thompson was removed by ems or Roosevelt Hospital, where

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Speaker 4: he was pronounced dead at seven twelve am. Mister Thompson

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Speaker 4: is the CEO of United Healthcare and resides in Minnesota.

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Speaker 4: Detectives from Nightwall, Mitown North Detective Squad and Manhattan South

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Speaker 4: Homicad responded to the scene and began their investigation.

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Speaker 1: We're learning a lot.

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Speaker 2: I want to go straight out to Bill Daily joining

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Speaker 2: us from New York, former FBI investigator forends At photography

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Speaker 2: international security expert. Bill, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: You see the video steals we're showing. I don't know

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Speaker 2: that a pro would have done this right in front

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Speaker 2: of a surveillance video.

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Speaker 6: Well, exactly right, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: Is that you know people throw on this thing about

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Speaker 7: you know professional hitmn I mean those are those are

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Speaker 7: somebody who trained who thought it out. Well, obviously he's

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Speaker 7: done a lot of reconaissance and research, but we're talking

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Speaker 7: about professional hit people. That's something made in the movies.

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Speaker 7: I would say, Nancy, A couple of things. I'm quite

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Speaker 7: familiar with this area, being a New Yorker and having

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Speaker 7: worked on the streets of New York for quite a

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Speaker 7: number of years. Is that this is actually the side

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Speaker 7: entrance the missus Thompson was apparently staying around the corner.

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Speaker 6: We believe that the Marriott Hotel, which actually gave him

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Speaker 6: a couple of venues of approach to the hotel.

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Speaker 7: This is the side Injines the maniagers on sixth Avenue.

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Speaker 7: So for this gunman to know that he was going

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Speaker 7: suggested to me there was some other reconnaissance inside information

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Speaker 7: that he knew that he was at another hotel. He

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Speaker 7: wasn't saying at the Hilton that he'd be coming down

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Speaker 7: this street. Tompson could have easy walked around seventh Avenue,

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Speaker 7: a cup of coffee.

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Speaker 6: But he didn't.

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Speaker 7: And so there are a couple of things out here

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Speaker 7: that kind of jump out to me that are really

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Speaker 7: concerning with you, gud to how much information was known

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Speaker 7: about the specific movements of mister Thompson that morning.

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Speaker 2: Bill Daly, I know exactly what you mean about that location.

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Speaker 2: But wouldn't it have been easy for the per the

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Speaker 2: killer to be waiting in the lobby waiting for the victim,

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Speaker 2: Brian Thompson to walk out. He didn't have to be

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Speaker 2: lying in wait at that side entrance. He could have

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Speaker 2: simply followed him. He did come up behind him.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, there are a couple of things here

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Speaker 7: in Nancy, that is true. And in fact, if he

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Speaker 7: he didn't have to be waiting outside. He could have

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Speaker 7: done it just in the lobby upstairs, in an elevator

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Speaker 6: The other thing is that which.

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Speaker 7: Kind of points to perhaps something more someone from the

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Speaker 7: area or from the region, is the fact that mister

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Speaker 7: Simpson lives out in Minnesota. The day to day he

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Speaker 7: his home, he goes perhaps to see maybe his children's

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Speaker 7: sporting events, who knows what. But those are kind of

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Speaker 7: open areas, other areas where he could have been a target.

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Speaker 7: But yet this was done in New York City, where

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Speaker 7: he doesn't live, where he was visiting, where this person

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Speaker 7: would have only had a couple of days opportunity for

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Speaker 7: And so it kind of leads me to suggest that

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Speaker 7: You can get lost in the city. You can do

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Speaker 7: things like this. It could have disappear into Central Park

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Speaker 7: and perhaps try to hide your.

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Speaker 6: Trails, you know.

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Speaker 7: Or it was a matter of convenience that the person

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Speaker 7: travel to Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: You're right.

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Speaker 2: The victim in town to speak at and invent conference.

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Speaker 8: Listen, the victim was in New York City to speak

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Speaker 8: at an investor conference. It appears a suspect was lying

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Speaker 8: Many people passed the suspect, but he appeared to wait

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Speaker 1: Well, it's clearly targeted, Bill Daily.

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Speaker 2: There is no robbery, there is no car jacking, there

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Speaker 2: is no sex attack, So it's targeted. Can we look

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Speaker 2: at the photo of the suspect's face. Now we keep

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Speaker 2: hearing we don't know much about him, but I can

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Speaker 2: tell you right now he's white. Number one. He knows

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Speaker 2: enough to cover his face, but I see that he.

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Speaker 1: Is not wearing gloves.

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Speaker 2: To Lauren Colin, what can you tell me about a

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Speaker 2: discarded water bottle?

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Speaker 5: The discarded water bottle, Nancy, was found in the alleyway,

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Speaker 5: which is between fifty third and fifty fourth Street. It's

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Speaker 5: the zig Field Ballroom Alleyway.

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Speaker 1: A pro would not leave behind a water bottle.

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Speaker 2: A pro wouldn't even be drinking anything right before you

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Speaker 2: murder somebody.

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Speaker 7: Exactly right, Nancy, And go to my suggestion, this person

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Speaker 7: again kind of orchestrated this and pre planned it.

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Speaker 6: I thought it out. You speak about perhaps the weapon

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Speaker 6: a little bit later on, all.

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Speaker 7: These things trying to somebody who is knowledgeable about only

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Speaker 7: what they were doing, but certainly not a professional.

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Speaker 6: That's somebody we might see kind of portrayed in the movies.

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Speaker 6: These people would be.

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Speaker 7: Much more sub roser about their efforts, would kind of

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Speaker 7: not be seen beforehand. And I'm going to suggest to

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Speaker 7: have now, as that police are looking to kind of

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Speaker 7: put together both the timeline and his trail, there'll be

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Speaker 7: some more coming out and we'll have we'll have some

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Speaker 7: more facial images, perhaps the DNA may help, but as

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Speaker 7: we all know, working these cases, you need to have

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Speaker 4: What we know is that the shooter arrived at the

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Speaker 2: Let me look at that stance one more time where

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Speaker 2: You know, everybody on the panel jump in, But Bill Day,

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Speaker 2: look at that. It looks like someone has been watching

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Speaker 1: You see that right there.

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Speaker 2: I'm just telling you, Look, he doesn't have on gloves.

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Speaker 1: And then he gets on a city bike.

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Speaker 2: It reminds me of a bank robbery or prosecuted where

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Speaker 1: Just like this guy is doing. What do you make

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Speaker 7: You know, all these things kind of add up to

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Speaker 7: Maybe the mafia does, but we're not talking about people

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Speaker 6: So this doesn't happen in the United States. Perhaps overseas and.

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Speaker 7: Perhaps a concern when people travel the high riskopations, but

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Speaker 6: The jam several times apparently right at each shot. According

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Speaker 7: Because there was a silencer on the front, a silencer

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Speaker 2: Well, well, Lauren Colin, the gun jammed more than once.

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Speaker 5: Apparently it jammed between shots, but you know that didn't

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Speaker 2: After he saw the er is yes, Okay, that's telling

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Speaker 2: me a lot right there, Daily Daily Daily, A pro

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Speaker 1: Really?

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Speaker 7: To some of the forensic guess versus that by using

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Speaker 7: But again it did seem as though calmly he cleared

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Speaker 1: Daily did you say homemade? Look, this is whoo, this

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Speaker 2: Silencer, but come on, man, a homemade silencer that doesn't work,

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Speaker 2: this thing out, guys. Why was a health ceo worth

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Speaker 1: Early early morning? Many people saying it's a pro killer.

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Speaker 4: The shooter then flees on foot northbound into an alleyway

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Speaker 4: Center Drive. We're still tracking video. The last we see

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Speaker 4: the scene, we recover three live nine millimeters rounds and

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Speaker 4: murder currently is unknown, but based on the evidence we

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Speaker 4: why this does not appear to be a random act

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Speaker 2: Okay, I know that, I know it's not random. Joining me,

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Speaker 2: high profile lawyer BERNARDA. Vielona, New York criminal defense attorney.

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Speaker 1: This is her bait. She is also a former prosecutor, BERNARDA.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. What do you make

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Speaker 2: The pro assassin lead behind three discharged nine millimere shellcasings,

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Speaker 2: they were engraved with three cryptic words.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's straight out of a crime novel and

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Speaker 2: Anybody that knows how to type goog l E could

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Speaker 1: Speaking where and at what time? Yeah, but I.

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Speaker 9: Still think there's an inside job because in a sense

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Speaker 9: the exact time that Brian Thompson would have been leaving

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Speaker 1: Look all of this looks very shady.

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Speaker 9: I don't think it's a professional kill at all, because

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Speaker 2: Hold on just the moment on that Daily Bill Daily

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Speaker 2: with me former FBI investigator and joining us from New York,

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Speaker 2: intimately familiar with the ins and outs to alleyways where

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Speaker 2: this happened. The guy then goes to Central Park. That

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Speaker 1: Videos, I mean, and we can follow his drail.

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Speaker 2: He had to ditch the bike somewhere. I think that

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Speaker 2: And again no gloves. As you said earlier, of course

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Speaker 2: he's not in the DNA or the APHIST database, we

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Speaker 2: can we just agree this is not a pro.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I surely agree it's not a pro I also

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Speaker 6: A former employee. That could have been a number of things.

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Speaker 7: But I think there you have to go back and

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Speaker 1: Let me stetch up with what you're.

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Speaker 2: Just saying, Bill Daily, Lauren Conlin. Now, according to one

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Speaker 1: Nancy?

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Speaker 5: Those threats were never reported to law enforcement?

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Speaker 2: With me?

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Speaker 1: Also is Scott Iiker founding member.

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Speaker 2: I can't say this enough of the FBI's Cellular Analysis

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Speaker 1: Can I just say? He didn't just fall off the

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Speaker 2: People, I ker if I was going to pick him off,

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Speaker 1: Anybody figures anything out.

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Speaker 2: So why intentionally find him in New York City.

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Speaker 10: I agree, there's a lot of other places that you

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Speaker 11: He didn't think about all the cameras in the area.

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Speaker 11: He didn't think about all the people that might see

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Speaker 11: at different things. And obviously I agree with the other

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Speaker 11: I do think he has some training. I mean, I

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Speaker 11: That takes training in time. So I think, at least

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Speaker 2: Are learning more from Chief of Detectives Joe Kenney.

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Speaker 4: From speaking to other employees that traveled with him to

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Speaker 1: Lauren Conlin correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: But wasn't there just a firefighter's pension fund that sued

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Speaker 5: Yes, his net worth is forty three million dollars, Nancy.

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Speaker 5: And not only that, I found a plethora of lawsuits.

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Speaker 1: Risk and not happy crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Luigi Mangioni's outbursted court is not doing him any favors.

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Speaker 2: Get ready, MANGIONI, you are facing state and federal trials.

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Speaker 2: That was something you should have considered before you allegedly

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Speaker 2: gunned down a guy in broad day light on the

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Speaker 1: Did you think that was okay? It's not. These are

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Speaker 2: It's just like a fifth grade girl writes an action

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Speaker 12: Please have released a new chilling detail in the assassination

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Speaker 12: style shooting. Three live rounds and three shellcasings recovered from

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Speaker 12: inscriptions on the shellcasings. The words deny, defend, and depose

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Speaker 2: So the words deny, defend, and depose were engraved on

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Speaker 1: By who? The local jeweler.

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Speaker 2: Joining me right now is a ballistics expert Joseph Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 2: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My

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Speaker 2: Feet on Amazon, and star of a hit series Body Bags.

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Speaker 1: That Joe Scott Morgan, Joe Scott Really, okay, I can't

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Speaker 1: hammer this enough.

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Speaker 2: A pro what did they write it in fancy cursive

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Speaker 2: defend deposed?

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Speaker 1: Seriously, that sounds like the ransom.

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Speaker 2: Note left behind in John Bennet a small foreign faction

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Speaker 2: once one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars stop.

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Speaker 13: What's really fascinating about this, Nancy is the fact that

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Speaker 13: they've got three spent casings that are on the ground,

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Speaker 13: and then they have the three live rounds, and he's

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Speaker 13: having to try to clear this weapon because he's had

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Speaker 13: a malfunction, which actually does occur with some frequency when

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Speaker 13: you have a suppressed weapon. And the fact that he

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Speaker 13: had engraving and I keep hearing this term, this engraving

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Speaker 13: that was on the casing, the fact that he had

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Speaker 13: a jam in the weapon, I would think that it

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Speaker 13: would be engraved on all of the rounds. So how

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Speaker 13: can you plan for that, For instance, that these rounds

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Speaker 13: are stacked, which they would be in a magazine, and

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Speaker 13: every time he clears it, he's going to eject a

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Speaker 13: live round as opposed to those that were spent when

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Speaker 13: he was firing. If you watch the sequence on a video,

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Speaker 13: he fires once and then it looks like he clears,

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Speaker 13: but he may have actually cleared two rounds at that

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Speaker 13: point time that we're still live because the weapon is

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Speaker 13: jamming on him and he has to cycle through it,

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Speaker 13: so he's taken a lot of time. My suspicion is

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Speaker 13: it might be there might be engraving on all of

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Speaker 13: the rounds, and that he has taken a lot of

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Speaker 13: time somewhere, probably you know, at home or wherever it is.

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Speaker 13: He shows up prepared to a certain degree, although he

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Speaker 13: didn't wear gloves and he didn't fully mask his face.

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Speaker 13: There's a lot still to kind of untangle here, but

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Speaker 13: that point is certainly fascinating. I've never encountered this before

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Speaker 13: in my years in forensics to this degree. Now Hollywood

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Speaker 13: makes a big deal out of this kind of thing,

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Speaker 13: but it's just not something you commonly run into. My

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Speaker 13: question is what's the skill level of the engraving in

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Speaker 13: addition to attempting to define how this was engraved, what

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Speaker 13: instrumentality was used, and then maybe the folks will be

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Speaker 13: able to pick up on some form in his writing

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Speaker 13: if he's doing this freehand.

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Speaker 12: Brian Thompson's wife, Paulette tells NBC News that Brian has

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Speaker 12: been receiving death threats. She doesn't go into detail, saying

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Speaker 12: it was basically due to a lack of coverage. She

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Speaker 12: she doesn't know exactly, but Brian said there were some

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Speaker 12: people that had been threatening him.

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Speaker 2: Straight back out to Joe Scott Morgan joining us. Jo Scott,

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Speaker 2: if I said earlier, if there was a death thought

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Speaker 2: on my husband a, I wouldn't let him travel alone

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Speaker 2: to New York. I would at least go with him

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Speaker 2: at the very least. But that said, they have children

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Speaker 2: to take care of back at home. But no security detail,

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Speaker 2: no police reports, nothing, And she is the only one

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Speaker 2: coming forward with the alleged threats if they weren't reported

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Speaker 2: to police, can anyone within the company verify this ever happened?

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Speaker 13: Well, if he hasn't spoken of this to anybody that's

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Speaker 13: around him, but why would he not, you know, say

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Speaker 13: something about this. And let me tell you one more thing.

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Speaker 13: A guy that is in his atmosphere. You know, we

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Speaker 13: see all these celebrities, so called celebrities that are out

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Speaker 13: there that have these you know, security details with it.

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Speaker 13: This is a guy, Nancy, that actually has a level

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Speaker 13: of value and would heighten anybody's a census relative to

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Speaker 13: the danger he could potentially be in. Why wouldn't you

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Speaker 13: put a couple of people on him to check the

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Speaker 13: rout at least to be body people that are going

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Speaker 13: to score him around. Maybe he didn't want that. I

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Speaker 13: have no idea, but I do know that he's a

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Speaker 13: prime target. It's just fascinating to me that they chose

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Speaker 13: this particular location, this individual went about it in this

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Speaker 13: manner because I agree with all the other panelists. I

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Speaker 13: think this guy has some weapons familiarity, but he is

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Speaker 13: in no way of pro If he had been a pro,

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Speaker 13: we would not have seen the video last that long.

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Speaker 2: Scott, if you're sitting down, you may need to lay

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Speaker 2: down for what you're about to hear.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen.

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Speaker 12: The suspect was reportedly spoted outside a public housing project

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Speaker 12: roughly three miles from the crime scene at five am,

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Speaker 12: caring what look like an e bike battery. He's then

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Speaker 12: seen again checking out at Starbucks not far from the Hilton,

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Speaker 12: just minutes before the attack. It's unclear what exactly the

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Speaker 12: suspect purchase, but police believe a water bottle and candy

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Speaker 12: wrapper left at the crime scene may belong to the shooter,

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Speaker 12: and are testing the items for latent fingerprints and DNA.

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Speaker 1: The next thing, we're going to hear Lauren Colin, is

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Speaker 1: that the shooter used a credit card.

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Speaker 2: I mean he hung out at a Starbucks just before

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Speaker 2: the shooting, and of course places himself at a public

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Speaker 2: housing project. Yeah, that's right. Blame the people of the

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Speaker 2: housing project somehow drag that into it. I guarantee you

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Speaker 2: that was orchestra three miles from the scene with what

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Speaker 2: looked to be carrying an e bike battery in cases

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Speaker 2: e bike crapped.

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Speaker 1: Out on him.

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Speaker 2: Now, at first, this is reported to be a city bike,

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Speaker 2: the kind that are easily accessed all around New York City.

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Speaker 1: Now we're hearing it may not be a city bike.

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Speaker 2: That said, then he's at Starbucks just beside the Hilton

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Speaker 2: minutes before the attack, staring straight into the surveillance cameras.

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Speaker 2: So there's not just a water bottle he leaves behind

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Speaker 2: a candy wrapper. Somebody needs a bit of honey, somebody

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Speaker 2: wants the starbus before a murder.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and there also have been reports that NYPD believes

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Speaker 5: that he may have actually taken this subway from the

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Speaker 5: Upper west Side to Midtown and to that Starbucks.

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Speaker 2: Wait, then, if he was on the Upper west Side,

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Speaker 2: then he spotted at a housing project. There's not a

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Speaker 2: housing project on the Upper West Side. Okay, that's where

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Speaker 2: all the rich people live. To look down on Central Park,

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Speaker 2: there's not a housing project there. So does he leave

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Speaker 2: the Upper West to go to a housing project to

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Speaker 2: be spotted and then go to the Starbucks?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what police are trying to figure out, and

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Speaker 1: I didn't.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm hoping that he did take the subway because

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Speaker 5: Mayor Eric Adams did implement more cameras earlier this year.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I got a lot of surveillance on this guy,

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Speaker 2: but you're right, subway would help me figure out where

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Speaker 2: he's coming from.

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Speaker 1: Where he's going, and how he knows those paths.

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Speaker 2: I'm still flummoxed by the fact that he would leave

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Speaker 2: a water bottle with his DNA on it, a candy wrapper,

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Speaker 2: take a bike, no gloves, has a pretend pro shooter stance,

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Speaker 2: and has engraved bullets. For Pete's sake, why not just

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Speaker 2: throw down your driver's license before you leave? Okay, Now

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Speaker 2: we hear about a potential eyewitness that goes on the run.

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Speaker 12: Police still have not identified the eyewitness who and from

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Speaker 12: the scene is Thompson was gunned down. A woman dressed

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Speaker 12: in dark clothing and holding a coffee cup, was standing

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Speaker 12: in a doorway just feet away from Thompson when the

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Speaker 12: shooter open fire. She runs along the building toward the

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Speaker 12: shooter to avoid the gunfire and disappears from frame. Authorities

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Speaker 12: are asking her to come forward, hoping she may be

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Speaker 12: able to provide new details on the shooter.

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Speaker 4: As a cell phone recovered in the alleyway. We're working

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Speaker 4: through that cell phone. Obviously, we'll be processing it forensically

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Speaker 4: at as far as words being exchanged. We do not

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Speaker 4: have audio of the incident. We only have the regular video.

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Speaker 14: What is the address of your emergency?

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Speaker 15: That's really an emergency?

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Speaker 1: I don't I have a customer here that some other.

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Speaker 13: Customers were suspicious of that he looks like the CEO

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Speaker 13: shooter from.

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Speaker 4: York, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Straight out to Kila Brantley, joining US investigative reporter at

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Speaker 2: large dailymail dot com. Did they actually say in court

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Speaker 2: that their client, Luigimangioni is the victim because his quote beautiful,

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Speaker 2: promising life has been derailed.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, Nancy. As you mentioned, his team did paint him

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Speaker 16: as someone with a promising future. Now, one thing that

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Speaker 16: had been documented was that Luigi suffered from debilitating back pain.

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Speaker 16: This was something that he went through. He went through

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Speaker 16: back surgery. And one thing that they say here is

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Speaker 16: that the real enemy here is the medical system, and

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Speaker 16: that is one thing that you can definitely expect. His

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Speaker 16: legal team argue.

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Speaker 2: Right, Kila, can I believe you are my lieon eyes

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Speaker 2: control room? Please show me him a running along the

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Speaker 2: beach in Hawaii. I've got videos of him lifting up

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Speaker 2: girls and tickling them.

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Speaker 1: It's a video.

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Speaker 2: They're all giggling hysterically, including him. I've got photos of

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Speaker 2: him lounging by the beach.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to see.

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Speaker 2: Those photos of him hiking and what looks to be

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Speaker 2: a jungle rainfall. Oh, he is feeling no pain there,

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Speaker 2: Kila Brantley, I hope you don't fall for that hook

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Speaker 2: like and seeker. Doctor Judy Hoe, did you know that

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Speaker 2: Luigimi Andngioni is apparently the victim in this scenario. Doctor

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Speaker 2: Judy Hoe is joining US clinical forensic neuro psychologist, author

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Speaker 2: of the New Rules of Attachment and another bestseller, Stop

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Speaker 2: Self Sabotage. You need to write one, doctor Judy Hoe,

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Speaker 2: about try to tell the truth and then send it.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'll pay for it and we can send

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Speaker 2: it to Luigi Mangioni. He is not the victim here,

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Speaker 2: but you know, you can't count out the defense attorney Agnafello.

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Speaker 2: He got Sean Combs off on the major accusations in

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Speaker 2: that indictment. So no matter how ridiculous I may think

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Speaker 2: he sounds, he essentially.

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Speaker 1: Won that case.

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Speaker 2: Yes, his defense team that claims Luigimngioni is the victim.

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Speaker 1: I want to read it, doctor Judy Hope.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful promising life derailed by those irritating murder charges.

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Speaker 17: Judy, Wow, beautiful promising life, Nancy, what a narrative. And

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Speaker 17: as you said, even though he's not the victim.

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Speaker 18: I think this is why there has been a fan

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Speaker 18: base though, because there's these individuals who actually believe maybe

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Speaker 18: he is a victim, that he's some type of anti heroo,

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Speaker 18: that he's misunderstood. And oftentimes we see this in individuals

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Speaker 18: who might act charismatically, they just seem to pull people in.

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Speaker 18: And it's weird because a lot of these people who

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Speaker 18: develop this sort of fan fanhood around Luigi, they're kind

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Speaker 18: of thinking, well, maybe I can be a special person

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Speaker 18: in his life, maybe he'll pay attention to me. Maybe

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Speaker 18: I can even develop a friendship with this person. This

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Speaker 18: person might learn to trust me. It's really interesting, but

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Speaker 18: some of it actually has to do with a self

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Speaker 18: centeredness of people who might actually talk.

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Speaker 17: To him, that they're hoping to get something special out

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Speaker 17: of it for themselves.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Dartigidio.

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Speaker 2: I know you're the clinical and forensic neuropsychologist, but I

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Speaker 2: don't even know it. You just said, how can the

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Speaker 2: defense stand up and say this is not about the

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Speaker 2: murder victim? Can we show please, Brian Thompson walking along

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Speaker 2: and he's gunned down in cold blood, leaving behind two

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Speaker 2: sons and a wife. That's the victim. According to prosecutors,

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Speaker 2: it's Luigi Mangioni holding a three D weapon that he

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Speaker 2: made that it took dozens and dozens of hours to make,

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Speaker 2: so he can gun down a guy walking to work

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Speaker 2: in the back. You stated, I don't know what that was,

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Speaker 2: doctor Judijo. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying

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Speaker 2: I'm just a trial lawyer didn't understand it. But I

661
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Speaker 2: think I know some of the people that consider Luigi

662
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Speaker 2: Mangioni to be the victim, and here they are filing

663
00:35:54,000 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 2: in to court. Okay, oh what Luigi fights fashion. It's okay,

664
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: look at this line. Now, wait till you see the

665
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: cat walk parade of sad sack women filing in.

666
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: To They won't even show their face to get a

667
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: glimpse of Luigi MANGIONI.

668
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 2: Yes, keep it going, keep it going, because I've got

669
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 2: hours of people. Yeah, that was totally walking the cat

670
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: walk right there, clamoring to get in to just bask

671
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 2: in the glow of Luigi MANGIONI. Oh, it keeps going.

672
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, on and on. They had to turn women away,

673
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: and it's not just women. Listen.

674
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 19: So this is who police believe was responsible for the

675
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 19: United Healthcare ceo pp his names Koubichi. All I can

676
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 19: say is Mia, does he need a Mario? I believe

677
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 19: it was a great philosopher and poet once said, Mama,

678
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 19: I'm in love with a criminal, and this type of

679
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 19: love isn't rational, it's physical. That was Britney Spears, and

680
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 19: I believe we're all feeling that right now. I believe

681
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 19: if you're going to do superhero like shit, you better

682
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 19: look like one. Okay, this man clearly did them. Did

683
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 19: he train at the Marvel studios with all the other

684
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 19: chriss okay, because Luigi, that's a spicy meat the ball.

685
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 19: I'm so sorry. I believe if we're going to claim

686
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 19: to be a Christian nation, that we need to act

687
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 19: like one. And part of acting like that is practicing forgiveness.

688
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 19: And after a lot of seconds of thinking, I have

689
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 19: decided I'm gonna forgive him. I'm ready to forgive him, right,

690
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 19: but not forget, because in my God, how could you

691
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 19: forget an angel like this. I'm not gonna lie for

692
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 19: a while. I thought, oh my God, we're never going

693
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 19: to find him, you know, And I was wrong, because

694
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 19: somewhere along the way, the ups and downs, the highs

695
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 19: and lows, the masks and no masks, this man he

696
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 19: found a way into our hearts.

697
00:37:59,520 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 6: He did.

698
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: I hardly even know where to start with that. That

699
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: is from mister Williams sprick on TikTok.

700
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: I'm in love with the criminal.

701
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: And I forgive him after a few seconds of consideration,

702
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: Doctor Gudy hoe it. I can't say it gets worse,

703
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 2: but there's more.

704
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: Listen, you can't take my mind.

705
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 20: And say there's blood on his head.

706
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 2: When you're the one with the girl.

707
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: Who's taking lives for fun.

708
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: You can't take my man. That's from Scarlett park TikTok.

709
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: So it's gone beyond calling him a spicy meatball. These

710
00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: people actually consider Luigimi and Gioni there man, and they

711
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: are angry with the fans for prosecuting. What have I

712
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: gone down the rabbit hole? Am I in some crazy

713
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: bizarre alice in Wonderland? What is happening, doctor gudi Hoe.

714
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 17: I know it seems completely unbelievable, Nancy, but this does happen.

715
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 18: People start to idolize these potential I mean, clearly this

716
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 18: is a defendant, right, but they're thinking, in their minds,

717
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 18: this person is innocent. Maybe I'm going to be their

718
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 18: special person, and they're lusting after them the way that

719
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 18: they would lust after a celebrity, especially when they see

720
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 18: photos and videos that they can start cutting into their

721
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 18: own social media. They're developing a fictionalized relationship with him,

722
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 18: a fantasy and essentially completely erasing all of the facts

723
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 18: that have been evident in this case. And clearly the

724
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 18: defendant's attorneys are trying to paint that picture as well,

725
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 18: leaning into it as hard as possible because they're hoping

726
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 18: to influence the public opinion even before a jury is selected,

727
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 18: so that they and hopefully get him the outcome that

728
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 18: he wants, which is apparently to escape a.

729
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 17: Death sentence, escape prison. Maybe I'm not sure exactly what

730
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 17: they think is possible, but that's what's so scary about

731
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 17: all the positivity that has developed around his persona in

732
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 17: terms of all of these illustrations, the website they set

733
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 17: up about and it's really concerning.

734
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: And you know, Cheryl mccollumy is joining me. Cold Case

735
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 2: Investigative Research Institute, founder, author of a brand new book,

736
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: Swans Don't Swim in a Sewer, Solving the cold Case

737
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 2: of the Flint River Killer's Daughter on Amazon.

738
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Speaker 1: Cheryl, Okay, do you remember the.

739
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: Night that you and I were out until two o'clock

740
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: in the morning staking out a location where we thought

741
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 2: Luigi Mangioni was going to be apprehended. Do you remember

742
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 2: that night, because I sure do I do. How has

743
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: this gotten so bass awkwards, Cheryl.

744
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 15: Nanthy, It is mind boggling any body is trying to

745
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 15: paint this killer as the victim. I mean, the victim's

746
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 15: life was not just promising, it was in full swing.

747
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 15: He had a wife and children and a career at

748
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 15: the highest level. He had friends and extended family, He

749
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 15: had everything going for him. Mangione had none of that,

750
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 15: but he took everything from those children. And I'm going

751
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 15: to tell you something, when you look at the people

752
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 15: that are contacting him, I hope and pray that those

753
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 15: six thousand letters that he's gotten, that one hundred and

754
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 15: fifteen a day, that there's some good intel in there too,

755
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 15: because he is writing people back, so he's communicating, and

756
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 15: I hope they're listing every piece of it.

757
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 2: Somehow this has gotten topsy turvy upside down. I haven't

758
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 2: even got into the legal implications of what is happening

759
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: in court.

760
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm just so concerned that one of these.

761
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 2: Nutjobs is going to end up on the ultimate jury

762
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: and acquit Luigi Manngioni under the misconception that he is

763
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: somehow the victim.

764
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: Again.

765
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: In court, his lawyers and unquoting claimed that his beautiful,

766
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 2: promising life has been.

767
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: Derailed by murder charges. It's all about me, me, me, me,

768
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: me me.

769
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: This is a millionaire's son, multimillionaire who grew up with

770
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 2: silver spoon stuck in his mouth and has been living

771
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: in a Hawaii high rise of the beach doing nothing,

772
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: and yet he's the victim. Can you imagine, Cheryl McCollum,

773
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: how hard Thompson had to work to get to become

774
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: the CEO at United Healthcare. It wasn't handed to him

775
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: on a silver platter on top of a Christmas tree

776
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: like it was Mangione. He had to work and sacrifice long,

777
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: long hours to get to where he got to to

778
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: be gunned down like a dog on the sidewalk, Cheryl.

779
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 15: Nancy, you cannot compare these two people. That's why I

780
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 15: agree with you. This whole thing is upside down. Not

781
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 15: only did the victim work and sacrifice, so did his wife.

782
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 15: You know what it takes. You know how long David

783
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 15: has gone during the day. It's not an eight hour day,

784
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 15: It's a sixteen seventeen hour game. He was playing at

785
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 15: the top of his game. There's no doubt about it.

786
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 15: Mangione was giving nothing to a family, He was giving

787
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 15: nothing to society. He was contributing zow and again, what

788
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 15: he took cannot even be measured.

789
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: If I hear one more person talk about his back pain,

790
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: that's you, calib Brantley. I think my head's gonna blow

791
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: off because I have videos of him tickling these girls

792
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 2: and picking them up just before the shooting.

793
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: I can't show it because it has the girl's faces

794
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: in it. But he was feeling no pain. But it's

795
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: all about me, Me, me, me, me, why me? And

796
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: he's certainly not the first. Let me refresh your recollection.

797
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: As we say in court with bride killer Jamie Lee Komarowski.

798
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: Listen to her, I don't know why.

799
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 18: That's hard to happen to me, because bad things happen

800
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 18: to good people. Honey, that's why it's just feet.

801
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 6: It's just something that happened to you. And we are

802
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 6: going to deal with the best week.

803
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: Okay, Dave Mack joining me, crimes towards investigator, reporter. You

804
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: know who the bride killer is, right, Jamie Lee Komarowski.

805
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: She's guilty.

806
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: She got totally thinking drunk, Anne plowed into.

807
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: A beautiful bride leaving her wedding reception with the groom

808
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 2: and killed her. And there she is behind bars, going,

809
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: why is this happening to me?

810
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 14: One look and listen to her father, Nancy. What does

811
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 14: he say, Well, bad things happen to good people.

812
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 13: No they don't.

813
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 14: You just killed somebody because of your own actions. But see,

814
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 14: we've got a whole group of people now that never

815
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 14: want to admit they did anything wrong. Everything is on them.

816
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 14: How can you possibly think man Joni is sitting here

817
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 14: saying his life is derailed, Well, he destroyed another life

818
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 14: and another family. Cambarowski sitting in jail, Why is this

819
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 14: happening to me?

820
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: Well?

821
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 13: Why not?

822
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 14: What do you expect?

823
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 13: What happened?

824
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 21: Sick of this?

825
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 14: Nancy is getting really tiresome.

826
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 2: And there is her victim, Samantha Miller in her wedding dress,

827
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: just before she's mowed down dead by Jamie Lee Komrowski.

828
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: And here's I guess this would have to be the

829
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: Miss Universe of Wyme Jody Arius. Check her out.

830
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 2: She is more concerned about her makeup as she is

831
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: approaching trial in the brutal stabbing and shooting death of

832
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 2: her fiance, Travis Alexander, who was stabbed at least twenty

833
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: nine times. Joe Scott Morgan and I have argued about that.

834
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 2: I say it was more than that. Checking out, Jody Arius,

835
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: you should have at least done your makeup before you

836
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 2: speak to police about murdering your fiance when he broke

837
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: up and started seeing someone else. That earlier video from

838
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 2: forty eight hours Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, do you

839
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 2: recall Travis Alexander's death? Hey, stay on that video because

840
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: as they're about to question her about what could have

841
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: happened to Travis Alexander, she starts singing and there you go,

842
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 2: does a headstand and bemoans the fact she doesn't have

843
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: on her lip gloss. Talk about me, me, me, Joe Scott,

844
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 2: what happened to Travis?

845
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 21: Yeah, he was brutally murdered, Nancy. She had him stripped down, nude,

846
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 21: taking a shower, taking dirtie pictures, if you will, And

847
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 21: while his back is turned, she takes a knife and

848
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 21: plunges it into his back over and over and over again.

849
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 21: When he turns around to defend himself to try to

850
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 21: parry her stabs at him, he gets stabbed in the

851
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 21: chest as well. And if it wasn't enough, after he

852
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 21: spits up blood onto his stink, onto his seink, he

853
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 21: crawls tries to crawl away from her down the hallway.

854
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 21: She straddles him and cuts his throat from ear to

855
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 21: ear and the koupdi gras she shoots him after he

856
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 21: is dead. That's the kind of human that you're looking

857
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 21: at right here. She's absolutely disgusting.

858
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: And it's all about me.

859
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: May Meescott Morgan, you've seen it all. I'm gonna try

860
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: to say you show you something you haven't seen yet.

861
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: Speaking of me, me, me, and criminal defendants focusing only

862
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: on themselves and not their victims. There is the drunk, stinking,

863
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 2: drunk a d A Assistant district's attorney Devin flannag and

864
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: listen to her.

865
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: But the protocol is your protocol is by as you

866
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: to turn.

867
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 2: Off the body, can you have to turn it off?

868
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: And that's your protocol, lawyer.

869
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 1: So she knows, well that's lawyer stuf.

870
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 21: So that's not true.

871
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: So we gotta go. No it is, that's that's the law.

872
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 17: I'm an aging, I'm an aging.

873
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: Good for you.

874
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: Let's go.

875
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: Those two were kicked out of I think it was

876
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 2: a bar for being drunk and belligerent. Then you've got

877
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: oh gosh, she's been called the screaming bands, and do

878
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: you hear going I'm an a da, I'm an a da.

879
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: Every sin it starts with I.

880
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: I I listen to this woman, Joe Scott, he need

881
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: not touch me he.

882
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: Wants to call it all. We're gonna go through that row. No,

883
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: he wants to go through assault. No, we're not doing that.

884
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 15: Then no, he he claims I assaulted him.

885
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 7: No, we're not doing that.

886
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: We're not doing that.

887
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 2: And then, of course maybe this one beats Jody Arius. No, no, no,

888
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to go with Luigi Mangioni and his

889
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: beautiful life. Dearield, I'm sure you recalled Shana Hubers that

890
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 2: gave her ex boyfriend the quote nose job he always

891
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: wanted with a handgun.

892
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: Listen, very vain.

893
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 22: One of our last conversations we had that was good

894
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 22: was sitting once my best friend of the nists to

895
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 22: do with the nerror and want to get a nose job.

896
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 6: Just that kind of person.

897
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 22: And I'm right here.

898
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 2: I gave him his nose job.

899
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 6: He wanted.

900
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,720
Speaker 18: Want to marry me if I kill my boyfriend and helped.

901
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 17: Not funny, but I'm not.

902
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: You know, Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics and death Investigator.

903
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 2: Your forte is dead, bodies and causes of death.

904
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,439
Speaker 1: And modes of death. Let me go to special guests

905
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: joining us now.

906
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 2: Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist joining us out of the

907
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 2: Atlanta jurisdiction.

908
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: Doctor Angie Arnold, what is that?

909
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw this for yourself, but

910
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: me Andngioni's defensive team is actually.

911
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: Arguing his life was derailed by the murder charges.

912
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 23: You know, Nancy, My thought is that's all they've got.

913
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 23: Who cares if his life was derailed. He is accused

914
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 23: of murdering someone. Maybe his life should be derailed. But

915
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 23: the way I feel about this is, Nancy, that's all

916
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 23: they've got to say. That is the only thing they've got.

917
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the facts and the law.

918
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 12: Listen, speaking orders as she tells the operator, I have

919
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 12: a customer here that some other customers were suspicious of that.

920
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 12: He looks like the CEO shooter in New York, and

921
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 12: they're generally upset and come to me, and I'm like,

922
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 12: I can't approach him. The manager continues working and can

923
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 12: be heard talking about bagels, at one point shouting one

924
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 12: of them is no better. The nine one one operator

925
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 12: Emily States, testifies about the call and is heard to

926
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 12: ask for a description, with the manager applying, the only

927
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 12: thing you can see is the eyebrows joining us.

928
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: Is Skuy Lazarro.

929
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 2: She's a veteran criminal defense attorney. She's practiced in both

930
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 2: She's practiced in both state and federal court. She is

931
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: with Ray Quinny and Nebecker. Sky, thank you for being

932
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 2: with us. If the defense is arguing that Luigimi and

933
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: Gione was illegally arrested, the nine to one one call

934
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: occurred before the arrest, So what could be the possible

935
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 2: grounds for suppressing that call by the McDonald's manager.

936
00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 24: I think they're going to have a really hard time.

937
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 24: I'm keeping the nine one one call out. I can

938
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 24: understand it from a defense perspective. You have to try,

939
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 24: but when it comes to nine one one calls, as

940
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 24: long as you can lay the foundation for it, it's

941
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 24: probably coming in.

942
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: I can tell you one thing I know Sky Lazarro,

943
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 2: that they hate about this nine to one one call.

944
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 2: We had the same thing happen in the Idaho Slighings

945
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 2: of four Beautiful Idaho University Students, where Dylan Mortenson described

946
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 2: Brian Coberger's freaky, bushy eyebrows.

947
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: Listen, just remember.

948
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 22: Seeing this figure that was like not fat obviously, but

949
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 22: more of like the skinnier tongue build and some mask

950
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 22: on I don't know what the mask exactly was, but

951
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 22: when I thought about it, it was just like covering

952
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 22: here and here. I don't know if it's covering his

953
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 22: mouth his nose or below his mouth and nose. I

954
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 22: just remember knowing that he was white, but I didn't

955
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 22: know how he was white.

956
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: I just knew he was.

957
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 22: And this knowing there's like I knew he looked at me.

958
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 11: Because the Bushy's.

959
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

960
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 2: Alleged Chiller, the so called sexy assassin, that's like a

961
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 2: dirt sandwich whenever I say that is facing a state

962
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 2: and a federal trial in the shooting death of Healthcare

963
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 2: CEO Brian Thompson. I might add again, who was a

964
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: husband and a father. You don't hear much from his family.

965
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 2: They're dealing with their grief privately. But I heard plenty

966
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 2: from Angioni the other day in court. His outburst to

967
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 2: the judge just underscores what a spoiled brat he is.

968
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: I got plenty of rulings against me in court, but

969
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 2: I did not have an outburst at the judge that

970
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: would have only heard my case and me going forward

971
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 2: with other cases representing other victims. But Mangioni thinks it's

972
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 2: okay to scream at a judge sitting on the bench.

973
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 16: It's not.

974
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: That said.

975
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: I don't know who spoon fed him on a silver

976
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 2: spoon his whole life, but it doesn't work like that

977
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 2: in the justice system. Mangioni, you're not back talking mommy

978
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 2: and daddy. You are speaking to an elected judge on

979
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 2: the bench that's going to oversee your trial, and yelling.

980
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: At him or her is not going to help you, brat.

981
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: This is what we know about the.

982
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: Morning, the early morning when Brian Thompson was shot dead,

983
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 2: a guy Mangioni had never even met. Segment four, Mangioni's

984
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 2: outburst in court only emphasizes that he is a spoiled brat.

985
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 2: Deal with it, Mangioni. This is There's what happens when

986
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 2: you allegedly gunned down an unarmed man in broad day

987
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 2: light on the sidewalk. You get caught and you go

988
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 2: to trial. But what will that jury trial reveal? Joining

989
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 2: me is Tom Smith, former NYPD detective thirty years now,

990
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 2: star of the gold Shields podcast, and he covered the

991
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 2: very same streets where Brian Thompson was gunned down in

992
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: cold blood you know, I have had a killer identified.

993
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: He was a chef, by the way, identified by a

994
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 2: particular limp that he had. I've had a bank robber

995
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 2: identified because he walked sleugh footed in other words, like

996
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 2: it up. They're all sorts of ways to identify someone.

997
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 2: It can be by voice that it could be any

998
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 2: number of things. In this case, the McDonald's manager said,

999
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 2: bushy eyebrows, and.

1000
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: There's no doubt that's Luigi Mangioni. They hate it. They

1001
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: hate that identification, Tom, Yeah, they.

1002
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 25: Do, because you know, it shows how important Nancy and

1003
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 25: we did this when we first started talking about this case,

1004
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 25: how important the videos and all the photos were to

1005
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 25: get out to the public, even if his face was covered,

1006
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 25: even if he was in a cab or whatever it was,

1007
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 25: because those eyebrows jumped off the page to everyone who

1008
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 25: looked at it. That was the number one thing that

1009
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 25: everyone looked at as a looking point and identification point

1010
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 25: when it came to him. And it just showed that

1011
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 25: the quicker they got those photos out, the better it was.

1012
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 2: In the end of this, you know, I'm very curious

1013
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 2: about this, the fact that he is identified at McDonald's

1014
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 2: by his eyebrows among other things. Let's say they picked

1015
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 2: of the McDonald's. There you go, there he is at McDonald's.

1016
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: But skyl Azaara, don't you think that the defense should

1017
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 2: be more concerned about the fact that he can be

1018
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 2: identified At the time of the killing, he showed his

1019
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 2: face repeatedly.

1020
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 8: I agree with you.

1021
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 24: He probably should have been a little bit more careful

1022
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 24: at that time, and that should be the stuff they're

1023
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 24: seeking to exclude, and maybe they will, I think as

1024
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 24: it goes to the nine to one one call. The

1025
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 24: defense's probably only argument is that these are witnesses who

1026
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 24: identified him, not from the shooting. They weren't there that night,

1027
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 24: so they can't say I saw him do the shooting.

1028
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 24: They just want to exclude it because he's at the McDonald's.

1029
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 24: The problem is they get to the McDonald's and it

1030
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 24: turns out to be him.

1031
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 2: Speaking of getting to the McDonald's, the defense is arguing

1032
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 2: that while he wasn't really under arrest, he was kind

1033
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: of under arrest because so many police starts showing up

1034
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 2: and massing at the McDonald They were concerned. If this

1035
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: is Luigi Mangioni, the healthcare assassin, he's probably armed.

1036
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, he was. He was armed.

1037
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 2: There was a weapon in his backpack sitting right there

1038
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 2: with him, so they were right.

1039
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: Now, what the defense is.

1040
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 2: Arguing is that having multipolice, multiple police officers show up

1041
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 2: is tantamount equal to arresting him. Why do we care

1042
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 2: because police engage in a conversation with him to identify him,

1043
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 2: and he spilled a lot of information in that conversation.

1044
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: The state says it was before his arrest. Why does

1045
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: it matter.

1046
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 2: Because a statement taken while you are in custody without

1047
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 2: miranda will be suppressed. So they want the judge to

1048
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 2: believe that because several police officers showed up at McDonald's,

1049
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 2: that me Andngioni was effectively under arrest in any statements

1050
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 2: he made pre miranda should be suppressed. That's not going

1051
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 2: to happen. When I walk into let's just pretend Chipotely

1052
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 2: and all the Atlanta PD are in there getting a salad,

1053
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I'm under arrest.

1054
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: Think about it.

1055
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 12: Listen, Majoni stares at monitors showing his arrest at McDonald's.

1056
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 12: Manjoni sits to eat breakfast at nine oh three. Eleven

1057
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 12: minutes later, the nine one one call is made nine

1058
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 12: twenty eight, two police officers show up and begin talking

1059
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 12: to Mangoni. The restaurant slowly begins to fill with police

1060
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 12: until nine forty two, when at least eight officers are

1061
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 12: visible on the recording. The defense claims packing the place

1062
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 12: with police amounts to unlawful attention prior to Mangoni's arrest.

1063
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 12: Agnifilo argues police surrounding Mangoni and the McDonald's this tantamount

1064
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 12: to illegally detaining the alleged killer. Agnifilo also takes exception

1065
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 12: with the way officers treated Mangoni's backpack during the arrest,

1066
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 12: claiming it was warrantlessly searched on the scene.

1067
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: In other words, they looked in his backpack. Cheryl McCollum

1068
00:59:58,600 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: joining me.

1069
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: She is not only a crime scene investigator and founder

1070
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 2: of the Cold Case Research Institute, but she's also the

1071
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: star of a hit podcast which I actually put on

1072
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 2: a loop.

1073
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: Sometimes, Cheryl McCollum Zone seven. Cheryl McCollum.

1074
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 2: Has it ever dawned on you when you go into

1075
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 2: McDonald's for a cup of coffee that you're arresting somebody,

1076
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 2: that you're a mere presence equals an arrest, because that's

1077
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 2: what they're arguing, and what they're trying to do Cheryl

1078
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 2: is get out from under what Manngioni said to police

1079
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 2: pre miranda and them finding evidence in his backpack.

1080
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 15: I think the body cam is going to be so

1081
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 15: critical here because it's going to show all of his actions.

1082
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 14: It's going to, you know, show the world that he

1083
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 14: stood up and thought he.

1084
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 15: Was under arrest. Only a guilty person would think that, Nancy.

1085
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 15: What the defense is doing is there basically, look, you

1086
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 15: use manure to make something grow, right, So they are

1087
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 15: playton and cultivating and trying to grow this story that

1088
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 15: he's the victim, that he didn't do anything, that he

1089
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 15: was under arrest, and now we can't use anything, and

1090
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 15: it's just be it.

1091
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 2: While this legal warfare is taking place in a courtroom,

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Speaker 2: Manzione's attorneys continue to insist that he's the victim.

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Speaker 26: He's a young man, and he is being treated like

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Speaker 26: a human pingpong ball between two warring jurisdictions here, and

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Speaker 26: they are literally treating him like he is like some

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Speaker 26: sort of political fodder, like some sort of spectacle. He

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Speaker 26: was on display for everyone to see in the biggest

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Speaker 26: staged purp walk I've ever seen in my career. There

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Speaker 26: was no reason for the NYPD and everybody to have

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Speaker 26: these big assault rifles that frankly I had no idea

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Speaker 26: it was in their arsenal. And to have all of

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Speaker 26: these these the press there, the media there, it was

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Speaker 26: like perfectly choreographed. And what was the New York City

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Speaker 26: mayor doing at this press conference?

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Speaker 11: He is a walking talking contradiction.

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Speaker 15: He supposedly is against this wealthy ceo is yet he

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Speaker 15: comes for money.

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Speaker 2: This is a guy living in a high rise in

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Speaker 2: Honolulu waking up to the beach every morning.

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Speaker 1: Did you wake up to a BH this morning?

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Speaker 9: I serta not.

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Speaker 2: The Luigi Mangioni defense is fighting tooth and nail to

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Speaker 2: keep out what happened in that McDonald's. And as Cheryl

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01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 2: McCombs pointing out, that BODYCM is going to be so

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Speaker 2: significant because it doesn't matter what the state says. It

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01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what the defense says or how much Luigi

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01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 2: Mangioni claims he's the victim. What matters is what really

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Speaker 2: happened inside that McDonald's. They're not going to get the

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Speaker 2: nine one one call suppressed. That's not happening. But what

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Speaker 2: happened in the McDonald's. Is the state going to lose

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01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 2: valuable evidence on allegal technicality? Why is it they want

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Speaker 2: that backpack suppressed straight out to Investigation at Large for

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Speaker 2: dailymail dot com, kill Lebrandley.

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Speaker 1: What was in the backpack? Nancy?

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Speaker 16: There was a three D printed gun. It's a handgun

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Speaker 16: which is believed to could possibly be the murder weapon.

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Speaker 16: There was a notebook with handwritten notes in it. And

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Speaker 16: then he also had a knife on him, which was

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Speaker 16: discovered about twenty minutes later, So he was armed and

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Speaker 16: at that point he was considered very dangerous.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, what did you say was written in

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01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 2: Maggione's spiral notebook.

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Speaker 16: That was in his backpack that he wanted any use

1134
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 16: the word whack the healthcare CEO whack meaning kill herd destroy.

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Speaker 2: No wonder they want it's suppressed to Dave mac crime

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Speaker 2: Stori's investigative reporter. Tell me about the three D gun

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Speaker 2: sometimes called a ghost gun.

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Speaker 14: But Nancy, you know we've been we have not been

1139
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 14: given the very specifics of what type of gun. We

1140
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 14: know it's a pistol, but we don't know big that

1141
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 14: name of it. Three D printed firearms take a massive

1142
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 14: amount of time and filament far more than any other.

1143
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 14: Deliberator is the most common and it's the easiest one

1144
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 14: to print. It takes the shortest amount of time. Deliberator

1145
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 14: takes thirty hours of constant printing with non stop printing.

1146
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 14: Nancy thirty hours to print, the easiest of all the pistols.

1147
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Speaker 2: Tom Smith, here's the thing with a ghost gun is

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01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 2: made on a three D printer, Tom, It's unserialized. That's

1149
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 2: why they're so popular amongst criminals. You think Grandpa as

1150
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 2: is long gun is shotgun under the bed. You think

1151
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 2: it's a three D printed gun. No, it's got a

1152
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 2: serial number. Why is it so serious that a ghost

1153
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 2: gun is un serialized.

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01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 25: Well, because you can't trace it. No matter what you

1155
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 25: do with that weapon, it cannot be traced back to you.

1156
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 25: And that is why so manyminoles and Luigi Maggioni of

1157
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 25: course went to the lengths that he did to make

1158
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 25: that gun, because that is the predetermined and premeditation of it. Already,

1159
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 25: he's already thinking ahead of that gun not being traced

1160
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 25: to him, and that is part of this as well.

1161
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Speaker 2: Tom Smith, You're exactly correct to Joseph Scott Morgan. Let

1162
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 2: me introduce him formally. He is a professor of forensics

1163
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 2: at Jacksonville State University with an incredible criminal procedure program.

1164
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 2: He's the author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.

1165
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 2: He is a death investigator that has handled thousands of

1166
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: death scenes, and he's a star of hit podcast Body

1167
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 2: Back to Joe Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, what is a

1168
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 2: suppressor or commonly known as a silencer.

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01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 21: Yeah, stay away from the term silencer, because no weapon

1170
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 21: is silenced. It is suppressed. That means that the crack

1171
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 21: of the sound you're talking about a perhaps supersonic round,

1172
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 21: it's traveling, you know, past the speed of sound. So

1173
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 21: what you want to do is reduce that sound that's

1174
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 21: put forth from the muzzle. If you take a close look,

1175
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 21: I'm glad that you have that image. You take a

1176
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 21: close look at that weapon there. The end of that

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01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 21: muzzle is actually threaded. What that means is is that

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01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 21: it's adaptable. It's adaptable to contain a suppressor. The suppressor

1179
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 21: is displayed here. It's that long black cylindrical object there.

1180
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 21: It can be screwed on on the end. Well, you

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01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 21: want to knock down the sound, so it's not going

1182
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 21: to draw attention to you when you fired this thing,

1183
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 21: because let's just say that it is a non suppressed weapon.

1184
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 21: This thing's going to echo through the canyons down there

1185
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 21: in Manhattan, through all of those buildings. You'll still hear

1186
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 21: a sound, but it'll be a slight crack. It's not

1187
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 21: like it's portrayed in movies, okay, but it will reduce

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01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 21: the sound, it doesn't completely eliminate it. And the purpose

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01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 21: of this is so that you're not going to draw

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01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 21: as to any one. It does reduce, say, some of

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01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 21: the capabilities of the weapon as far as the effectiveness

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01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 21: of it at a greater range. But this is this

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01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 21: is not a close range. As a matter of fact,

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01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 21: if we were to look at the body here, it

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01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 21: would be classified as indeterminate because you're not going to

1196
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 21: have any kind of sut deposition gun unperned gunpowder. It

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01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 21: will have fallen away by that time. But this is

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01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 21: not too distant of a shot. You'll still have that

1199
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 21: same muzzle velocity striking into Brian Thompson's body. It's effectively lethal.

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Speaker 2: Joining me now, the star of Zone seven podcast, Cheryl McCollum,

1201
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 2: is with us. Cheryl who has un serialized guns and

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01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 2: silencers criminals.

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Speaker 15: And maybe there's another thing. Even though this is a

1204
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 15: three D printed weapon, it's still going to lead marking

1205
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 15: on capons and they're going to be able to be

1206
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 15: determined that this weapon fired the bullets that murdered Brian Thompson.

1207
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 15: So forensically, it's not going to get you out of trouble.

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01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 15: They may not can trace it to a manufacturer, to

1209
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 15: a bar that they can absolutely determine that that bullet

1210
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Speaker 15: was fired by that weapon.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, you're so right, and Tom Smith, this is

1212
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: like a fish in water for you. Every day you

1213
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: were getting off.

1214
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 2: The streets of Manhattan guns to match with bullets, bullets

1215
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:40,839
Speaker 2: that were literally dug out of victims' bodies.

1216
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: And Cheryl said it right.

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01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 2: A bullet hurls down the barrel of a gun, that

1218
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 2: gun may look like all the other guns in the

1219
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 2: gun store showcase, but it's not because inside the barrel

1220
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 2: the metal has cooled in a certain way and it

1221
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 2: leaves ridges and imperfections on the inside of the barrel,

1222
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 2: and as that bullet shoots down the barrel, it is

1223
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 2: forever marked by those imperfections. So when you take the

1224
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 2: murder weapon to the crime lab, and you shoot a

1225
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:23,639
Speaker 2: bullet through the murder weapon, and you take the known

1226
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,560
Speaker 2: bullet dug out of the victim and you put it

1227
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,759
Speaker 2: under a microscope next to the one you just shot.

1228
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 2: It's like a fingerprint.

1229
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 1: No other gun, be it.

1230
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 2: A three D printed gun, a grandma's Bessie's out from

1231
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:44,560
Speaker 2: under her her mattress, you can track and identify like

1232
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 2: a fingerprint that bullet came from that gun.

1233
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: Isn't that true?

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01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 25: And that's the best way to say it. It's it's

1235
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 25: the gun's fingerprint and the ballistic check of that in

1236
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 25: the twist marks and all of that is what you

1237
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 25: match up. And it is a fingerprint that is unmatchable,

1238
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 25: you know, to anyone else. It is strictly to that

1239
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 25: weapon that you will match up the weapon, take the

1240
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 25: round taken out of the victim and match it up.

1241
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 25: And that is damaging when it comes to court.

1242
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and Tom Smith, that is why they are

1243
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 2: fighting to the death in court to keep that jury

1244
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 2: from every knowing of a ballistics match that his three

1245
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:34,799
Speaker 2: day pritty gun is the murder weapon. Listen to Alvin Bragg,

1246
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 2: the Manhattan District attorney for.

1247
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: Nearly an hour.

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01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 27: We alleged to the definite waited in the area near

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01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 27: the Hilton Hotel waiting for mister Thompson to appear. From

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01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 27: six thirty eight am to six forty four am. The

1251
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 27: defendant stood across from the entrance of the hotel on

1252
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 27: West fifty fourth Street. When he saw mister Thompson, he

1253
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 27: crossed the street and approached him from behind.

1254
01:10:58,240 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: Caleb Brantley, Daily Mail.

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01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,919
Speaker 2: The defense for Luigi Mangioni is also trying to suppress

1256
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 2: statements he allegedly made.

1257
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 1: To his guards.

1258
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 2: He had special guards behind bars, so nothing would happen

1259
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 2: to him like it did to Epstein. So let's first

1260
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 2: talk about Thomas Rivers, the former British infantryman who was

1261
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 2: minding Mangioni. What did Mangioni allegedly say to Rivers.

1262
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 1: Nancy.

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01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 16: Luigi was held for ten days in Pennsylvania, and he

1264
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 16: had spoken about being very disappointed that he was being

1265
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 16: compared to the unibomber. He also said that mainstream media

1266
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 16: was more focused on crime, and that when you looked

1267
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 16: at social media, they were really more focused about the

1268
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 16: healthcare industry, which, according to this officer, is what Luigi

1269
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 16: said this was really about Wow.

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01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: Sounds like a confession to me, sky Lazarro, Oopsie.

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Speaker 24: Nancy A agree and disagree. Here's the problem. They put

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01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 24: these guys in a situation like that, in solitary where

1273
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 24: they can't talk to anybody else. And the other thing

1274
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 24: is that we know these officers didn't document any of this.

1275
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 24: They're supposed to be taking notes seven times an hour

1276
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 24: about what he's doing and his well being, and they

1277
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 24: don't write down anything.

1278
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 2: Like he just made an admission, sky Lazara, did you

1279
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 2: say it's a problem he's being held in solitary.

1280
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 1: You know who else is in solitary, Brian Thompson, except

1281
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 1: his is a casket.

1282
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 2: So you're telling me again, I can't believe you're buying

1283
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 2: into this, sky Lazarro, that he's the one that's being tormented.

1284
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 2: You know what else he told Rivers that Rivers should

1285
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 2: really read Doors a perception by all this Huxley, which

1286
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 2: is all about psychedelic drug trips and mystical interpretations. Needless

1287
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 2: to say, Rivers did not read the book. But there

1288
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 2: is another guard that he talked to. This is the

1289
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 2: one I'm really interested in.

1290
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 1: Listen.

1291
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 12: Officer Matt Henry wasn't chatty with the alleged killer. That

1292
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 12: doesn't stop man Joni from telling Henry he was caught

1293
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,600
Speaker 12: with a three D printed firearm, the weapon used to

1294
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 12: murder Ceo Brian Thompson. Attorney Mark Agniffilo challenges Henry, saying,

1295
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 12: so he just blurted out to you that he had

1296
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 12: a three D printed pistol. Henry drily replies yes, to.

1297
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 2: Doctor Angela Arnold joining us she's a renowned psychiatrist out

1298
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Speaker 2: of the Atlanta jurisdiction at angela arnold dot com Foreign

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01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 2: Professor Psychiatry. It goes on and on, former medical director

1300
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 2: at the psychiatric Obgy Inklin at Grady, which never has

1301
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 2: a lack of business. I found a lot of witnesses

1302
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 2: and victims at Grady Hospital, Doctor angel Arnold, Why.

1303
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 1: Is this so hard? I bet a jury's not going

1304
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 1: to have a hard time believing this.

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Speaker 2: That Luigi Mangioni, who has had a lifetime of entitlement,

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Speaker 2: would blab to his guards.

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Speaker 1: Why they're his new friends. They would never betray him, right.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, oh sure? And you know, Nancy, he probably suffers

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Speaker 20: from some sort of personality disorder in which he thinks

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Speaker 20: about himself an awful lot, So he really doesn't. He

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Speaker 20: may not see that he's done anything wrong, and he

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Speaker 20: probably hasn't suffered any consequences for any of his actions

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Speaker 20: in the past, and so that would make him more

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Speaker 20: likely to almost be bragging about what he's done and

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Speaker 20: to let other people know what he's done. This is

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Speaker 20: typical for his behavior in all likelihood throughout his existence.

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Speaker 2: Tom Smith joining me Former NYPD detective thirty years now

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Speaker 2: star co host of gold Shields podcast, Tom, What.

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Speaker 1: Is wrong with rich people?

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Speaker 2: Do they think they can just get away with everything,

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Speaker 2: anything and everything they can confess They can say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they caught me with.

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Speaker 1: A three D print and gun which is the murder weapon.

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Speaker 1: What is wrong with them?

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Speaker 2: Have you noticed the same sense of entitlement sometimes does

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01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:17,839
Speaker 2: them in because they think they can buy off everybody.

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Speaker 2: That everybody wants to be their friend, but these two

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Speaker 2: guards do not want to be his friend.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, they've lived their whole life like this, Nancy. You know,

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Speaker 25: they've gotten what they wanted. They'd either pay for it

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Speaker 25: or the power that they have has influenced someone's decision

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Speaker 25: into what they're getting or what they're doing, And they

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Speaker 25: just think that holds true for every aspect of their life,

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Speaker 25: including killing someone. I mean, that's how deranged they are

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Speaker 25: when it comes to the entitlement that they believe they

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Speaker 25: are are owed when it comes to murder or you know,

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Speaker 25: killing a bride. We did that show. You know, It's

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Speaker 25: just constant and it just keeps coming up, and it's

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Speaker 25: absolutely disgusting.

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Speaker 1: Tom.

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Speaker 2: I want you to look at a picture if I

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Speaker 2: can get the control and to put it up for me,

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Speaker 2: dig through those files. I want to see the picture

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Speaker 2: of allegedly Mangiani, who's presumed innocent, holding up the three

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Speaker 2: D with the silencer on it, pointing directly.

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Speaker 1: At Brian Thompson's back. According to police, he.

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Speaker 2: Waited an hour for just the right moment. There's his

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Speaker 2: backpack which was recovered at the McDonald's. There's his outfit

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Speaker 2: which he had with him. There's the three D weapon,

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Speaker 2: and let's look at Brian Thompson walking along early morning

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Speaker 2: going to a work conference. He shot in the back

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Speaker 2: right there. And I'm not going to play that when

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Speaker 2: he actually gets shot, because someday, somehow his boys might

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Speaker 2: look this up online and I don't want this to

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Speaker 2: be stuck in their memory Calla Brantley. Were any of

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Speaker 2: man Gie Only's family members in court? And were any

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Speaker 2: of the victims' family members in court this week?

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Speaker 16: Not that we know of, Nancy, but a lot of

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Speaker 16: Luigi's supporters And one thing, have you heard of pretty privilege?

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Speaker 16: Because it absolutely feels like Luigi is benefiting from that

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Speaker 16: by having hordes of fans, because he is a handsome man,

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Speaker 16: that he is benefiting from pretty privilege. And I'm sure

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Speaker 16: his defense team is happy that they have a relatively

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Speaker 16: attractive man as a client.

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Speaker 1: Kiala, I don't find him attractive.

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Speaker 2: Every time I look at him, I see a tail

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Speaker 2: swishing in the back and two horns right here.

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Speaker 1: That's what I see. We wait as Justice of folds.

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Speaker 2: Nancy Christ signing off, goodbye friend,