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Speaker 1: Star in fris Joe Say now, your hosts, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: heck My Harrison, Danny Serek and Kyle Yeomans. It's another
Speaker 1: edition of Talking Cowboys here on this Tuesday morning. Glad
Speaker 1: you're with us from our respective SWBC Mortgage studios. Kyle Yeomans,
Speaker 1: heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips and the Great Isaiah stand
Speaker 1: back our residence super Bowl champions. We bring you the
Speaker 1: recent storylines and talk through this Dallas Cowboys offseason. Heck,
Speaker 1: you got a big smile on your face. You have
Speaker 1: a good Mother's Day weekend? Why are you laughing? I
Speaker 1: don't even know that now? Is that it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a laugh? Is that what you're going with here? Coyle Man, listen.
Speaker 1: I wasn't ready for the before and after a picture
Speaker 1: of a child star, but that's what you look like
Speaker 1: right now, a child star. You look like McCulloch Culkin
Speaker 1: after the Fame, post post home, Malone mccullar, Oh God, Kyle,
Speaker 1: Kyle I'm good with it, man, I okay, I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's it's been like eight weeks of quarantine. I've got
Speaker 1: like a mullet working back here like it's business and
Speaker 1: and it's like you just can't. I gotta do something myself.
Speaker 1: So hey, Kyle, Kyle, I'm actually disappointment. I thought you's
Speaker 1: gonna come to the dark side with drizz man, but
Speaker 1: you know, I like to I don't know if I
Speaker 1: could even I don't think it was long enough first off,
Speaker 1: to even try that, And second off, I probably would
Speaker 1: have gotten maybe one of those sit down talks from
Speaker 1: either my bosses or my family saying you gotta look
Speaker 1: at your life here. Yeah, you gotta have the intervention.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's fair. Now, Isaiah, you called me Forrest
Speaker 1: Gump off the air, and I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: Justin Bieber or Forrest Gump better. I don't know. It
Speaker 1: looked like you was ready to run somewhere, So I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just going on what I see, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm he just happens to be actually right, yeah, exact
Speaker 1: more aerodynamic. Tell everybody that's what it is. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm doing. I'm trying to get it all slim down
Speaker 1: so that tomorrow's half marathon for Ceedee Lamb is much
Speaker 1: more enjoyable. I guess if a half mile I can
Speaker 1: be enjoyable. Now tell him why you are doing the
Speaker 1: half mile? You don't just know, don't just yeah, it's
Speaker 1: glaze over that bro you lost. So basically, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: pretty much what it was. It was a tweet for
Speaker 1: those of you who haven't seen it on Twitter, well
Speaker 1: before the draft. About a month before the draft, I
Speaker 1: tweeted or somebody asked me a question and was asking
Speaker 1: if it's possible that Ceedee Lamb falls with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I love Ceedee Lamb, and the fact that he even
Speaker 1: fell down that far was so far fetched to me
Speaker 1: that I said, if he does fall to seventeen and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys select him, I'll run to the Star and
Speaker 1: back from my apartment in a little elm. Well that's
Speaker 1: what I'm doing tomorrow, which just so happens to be
Speaker 1: about thirteen point four miles. So I'm getting started right
Speaker 1: around ten o'clock and I'm gonna head head down. It's
Speaker 1: actually downhill there, but it's uphill back, which is probably
Speaker 1: the worst case scenario. So it'll be interesting. I'm not
Speaker 1: a runner, so that's what makes this thing tough for
Speaker 1: all thee runners out there. I respect you more than
Speaker 1: ever now that I'm having to try and do this
Speaker 1: and not hurt myself is pretty much the biggest thing.
Speaker 1: I'm gona do like I do my wife Beuh every
Speaker 1: year she runs in the New York City Marathon. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take I'm gonna take mental rips with you the
Speaker 1: entire time. Nice. I like that, the quality mental reps,
Speaker 1: and I thank you. And David Hellman said the same
Speaker 1: thing yesterday. He quote tweeted my What I said was, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm doing it on Wednesday, and he quote tweeted it
Speaker 1: and said, I'm here for this. And so I said,
Speaker 1: how are you running it with me? And he just said, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not running with you. He's like, no, you're crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm not running it with you at all. But enough
Speaker 1: about the haircut and a half marathon for betting or
Speaker 1: losing a bet against myself. Some recent storylines around the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys over the past week. Of course, the schedule
Speaker 1: was released on Thursday, and the Cowboys open up against
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams. They'll open up that beautiful billion
Speaker 1: dollars Stadium and Sofi Stadium in Los Angeles as they
Speaker 1: take on the Rams Thanksgiving, it's the Washington Redskins, which
Speaker 1: seems to be familiar territory ten times. It's the tenth
Speaker 1: time that those two teams will meet on that holiday.
Speaker 1: But we've kind of looked through the schedule. Everybody's done
Speaker 1: their predictions win loss, win loss, all the way through,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of the go to when you see
Speaker 1: a schedule. But I want to take a different angle
Speaker 1: at the schedule release and kind of look deeper into
Speaker 1: what it could bring once we get past Thanksgiving and
Speaker 1: get into the meat of that playoff hunt run. Because
Speaker 1: it seems like over the last couple of years it
Speaker 1: has come down to a game either in Philly or
Speaker 1: New York, it doesn't matter. It comes down to a
Speaker 1: big time game later on. So let's look at some
Speaker 1: of the NFC stretch. Now I mentioned after Thanksgiving. So
Speaker 1: they play Washington week twelve Thanksgiving, and then you turn around,
Speaker 1: you go to Baltimore a Thursday after that on the
Speaker 1: road Thursday Night Football against Lamar and Jackson and the Ravens.
Speaker 1: Then you're at the Bengal so back to back cold
Speaker 1: weather games Baltimore since in Addie on the road in
Speaker 1: open weather stadiums in December. Then you return home take
Speaker 1: on the forty nine Ers and the Eagles before you
Speaker 1: close out on the road against the Giants, and that's
Speaker 1: actually a January game on the road at MetLife Stadium
Speaker 1: against the Giants. So just initial thoughts, guys on the
Speaker 1: stretch run for the Cowboys and what it could mean
Speaker 1: to them whenever they're trying to get that NSC East
Speaker 1: crown back from those Eagles. Well, I mean, it looks
Speaker 1: tough on paper that final stretch, but it always does.
Speaker 1: I swear every year. It's like I go to December
Speaker 1: right away because they always put and it's not just
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, they put the Vision games in that final
Speaker 1: month to make the race meaningful. But then when you
Speaker 1: look at this season too, you're talking about the two
Speaker 1: best records in the league, basically throwing the Saints too
Speaker 1: in Baltimore and the forty nine Ers. So but again
Speaker 1: it's on paper, and you really can't look at last
Speaker 1: year's records and say, well, it's a tough schedule for sure,
Speaker 1: because look, last December, the Rams came to town and
Speaker 1: we were saw that schedule back in April and said,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a monster matchup that they're gonna lose
Speaker 1: that one. Potentially they won by thirty three at home,
Speaker 1: so you just you never know you might have a
Speaker 1: game like that, and you're probably gonna have a Jets
Speaker 1: game in there somewhere too. It's just it's it's really
Speaker 1: impossible to tell. It doesn't make it any less fun
Speaker 1: to talk about, though. Yeah, I absolutely love the schedule
Speaker 1: when I saw it come out, and I thought it
Speaker 1: was pretty weird for the folks that were saying that
Speaker 1: we had the third easiest schedule in the NFL, and
Speaker 1: I know that's based off of last year's wins and losses,
Speaker 1: but it's very interesting at from the beginning, the rubber
Speaker 1: meets the road for the Cowboys. When you talk about
Speaker 1: the Rams at home Atlanta and at and T Stadium
Speaker 1: and then out to Seattle, those are teams that when
Speaker 1: you look at the end of the season, teams that
Speaker 1: are in the hunt for a wild cart or a division,
Speaker 1: they're always there. So, like I said, the rubber meets
Speaker 1: the road immediately. I know I went to December as well,
Speaker 1: Rob to look at that little stretch that I'm sure
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into it. But man, the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: a very diverse schedule and they're gonna be able to
Speaker 1: play a lot of different schemes and some really tough teams. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I agree both of you guys, and I hear what
Speaker 1: people are saying about the easiest schedule, but I don't
Speaker 1: like it. I do not like this schedule for the Boys,
Speaker 1: especially kicking off in that brand new stadium with those Rams.
Speaker 1: They had a disappointing year. Obviously, I think those boys
Speaker 1: are gonna come out smoking. I don't like us against Atlanta.
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're home against Atlanta, so that's that's beneficial.
Speaker 1: And obviously everybody everybody knows about Seattle. So I feel
Speaker 1: like it's like, you know, you know, high week, you know,
Speaker 1: we're we have really confidence, high confidence, and then you
Speaker 1: drop down it's like, oh crap, we gotta face these dudes,
Speaker 1: and I think we're gonna be tested. I think I
Speaker 1: think the whole year is gonna be tested. It's really
Speaker 1: like a roller coaster over a year, especially that last
Speaker 1: stretch right that last stretch is tough. That whole second
Speaker 1: half of the season is tough. You got Pittsburgh, Minnesota,
Speaker 1: yeah whatever, Baltimore, Yeah, you know it. So it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta Baltimore, then you come down and
Speaker 1: you got to play Cincinnati, and then you gotta go
Speaker 1: back and play San Francisco, and then you got Phi Leagues,
Speaker 1: you know, in New York. So it's we're gonna see
Speaker 1: exactly with this mental toughness that we've be talking about
Speaker 1: with a past few weeks. We're gonna see exactly where
Speaker 1: we stand with that, because this schedule is testing for
Speaker 1: sure well. And I think if you look at that
Speaker 1: stretch when you talk about Pittsburgh and then Minnesota, Luckily
Speaker 1: there's a bye week in between there because you get
Speaker 1: a little bit of that that extra rest after you
Speaker 1: know it's going to be a battle against Pittsburgh and
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna travel up north and you're gonna
Speaker 1: take on Minnesota. But whenever you look at those those
Speaker 1: final five games, let's just say that the fact that
Speaker 1: you you finished things off with Baltimore San Francisco two
Speaker 1: out of those first three out of the last five,
Speaker 1: rather our playoff contenders super Bowl contenders. When you want
Speaker 1: to look at it that way, and then you have
Speaker 1: two divisional opponents to round out the season. What does
Speaker 1: that do for a team that doesn't want to look
Speaker 1: ahead but kind of needs to whenever you get into
Speaker 1: that Isaiah Man, Yeah, you can't look ahead when you
Speaker 1: can't do it. I mean, they can't afford to do it.
Speaker 1: I think there's only one stretch that I feel really
Speaker 1: confident about in terms of us right now, and that's
Speaker 1: really you know, games four or five, six, seven. You know,
Speaker 1: like that stretch right there allows for us to really
Speaker 1: get our feet up underneath us and get ahead so
Speaker 1: that we can afford to possibly take some ills along
Speaker 1: along the road. Right But as you're pretending to that
Speaker 1: last stretch, it's tough, you know, when you have those
Speaker 1: division games. I mean that's three in a row. You know,
Speaker 1: you got you got, you got three NFC teams in
Speaker 1: a row that you're gonna have to deal with, and
Speaker 1: and they're all dogs, you know, Cincinnati. You know, it
Speaker 1: might be in the sense of a you know, if
Speaker 1: people want to refer to certain things as somewhat of
Speaker 1: a bye week obviously with them coming off of that
Speaker 1: rough year. But San Francisco, Philly, New York, nothing about
Speaker 1: that makes you feel comfortable or confident, and as an organization,
Speaker 1: as a team, you're simply looking at that week because
Speaker 1: that's all that matters. You can't look in the future.
Speaker 1: If you find yourself looking too far in the future,
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose it, lose the current. So um they
Speaker 1: got they have to be ready to roll. You absolutely
Speaker 1: can't look in the future. The team started off three
Speaker 1: and out last year and might have started looking ahead
Speaker 1: and it didn't turn out so good for them. But
Speaker 1: I will say, Kyle, I mean, and we'll probably get
Speaker 1: into this. If you look at the other teams in
Speaker 1: the nfcast, the schedules are obviously very similar. You play
Speaker 1: the same outside divisions, and it's not easy for the Eagles,
Speaker 1: Redskins or Giants either down the stretch. So, like Isaiah said,
Speaker 1: you've got to be able to get your wins early.
Speaker 1: And there is that stretch there where they've got three
Speaker 1: straight home games in October, and that's that's huge. You know,
Speaker 1: the last time they had that was twenty eighteen. They
Speaker 1: won all three with the Maari Cooper after they made
Speaker 1: that big deal and found themselves winning the division. So
Speaker 1: you got to take advantage of the breaks that come
Speaker 1: your way in the schedule too. Yeah, that's that's a
Speaker 1: tremendous opportunity for the Cowboys to exact the dominance in
Speaker 1: the NFL early with those matchups. I mean just talking
Speaker 1: about the Cleveland Browns and what they're going to represent
Speaker 1: on you know, on the offense and defensive matchups for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. But I look at the matchups in this schedule,
Speaker 1: the coaching matchup for coach McCarthy, who's basically hitting the
Speaker 1: reset button on his career, but he's going up against
Speaker 1: some guys like McVeigh, Zimmer, you know, the Tomlins, the Hardballs.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are a bunch of great coaches and
Speaker 1: also for Dak in those head to head matchups in
Speaker 1: the season and the schedule, and so you know, look,
Speaker 1: we've been talking about it, and we know that there's
Speaker 1: going to be a culture change here in Dallas with
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, but it's going to have to start immediately
Speaker 1: in order for these guys to survive just the first
Speaker 1: quarter of their season. So, like I said, I look
Speaker 1: at this, and I look at the fact that you know,
Speaker 1: with this COVID nineteen and Mike McCarthy not being able
Speaker 1: to put his imprint early on this team. Man, this
Speaker 1: just heightens what two of days in those preseason games.
Speaker 1: And I know that we may be dealing with an
Speaker 1: abbreviated version of the preseason games, but those games are
Speaker 1: are important now more than ever, no doubt, and they
Speaker 1: wonder wonderful. One thing that I don't one thing I
Speaker 1: don't want to blow by, especially as as a former player,
Speaker 1: that bye week and when that bye week occurs is
Speaker 1: so important. Oh yeah, this is this is perfect. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the absolute best scenario that you could possibly have.
Speaker 1: Some teams have their bye week and what week four,
Speaker 1: you know, four, week five, It is like you have
Speaker 1: another you know, twelve, twelve, thirteen games to run after that.
Speaker 1: So um there and they should be super happy, especially
Speaker 1: after this stretch that they have to face on whether
Speaker 1: they're bye week being danging their smack dab in the
Speaker 1: middle of the season, which is awesome. Yeah, Detroit and
Speaker 1: Green Bay have the first bye weeks out of the NFL,
Speaker 1: and both of those come in Week five. I would
Speaker 1: not have won five bye week by any means, and
Speaker 1: I feel sorry, honestly for the Lions and for the
Speaker 1: Packers in that regard. Now, Rob, you kind of alluded
Speaker 1: it to it a little bit earlier as you were
Speaker 1: looking ahead. But the the NFC East down the stretch,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys might have gotten a better draw down the
Speaker 1: stretch than some of these other squads. And we'll let
Speaker 1: you guys decide this. I'm gonna read them off. Really,
Speaker 1: the Giants have the Seahawks on the road, Cardinals, Browns
Speaker 1: at home, Ravens on the road. Then they close, of
Speaker 1: course with the Cowboys. That's their final five games. Philadelphia
Speaker 1: in their final five at Green Bay versus New Orleans
Speaker 1: back to back weeks. That's twelve or that's thirteen and fourteen.
Speaker 1: Then you've got at Arizona at Dallas of course, and
Speaker 1: then they close out at home against the Washington Redskins.
Speaker 1: And then oh, I like that. I like that. That's schedule.
Speaker 1: And then for Washington it's at Pittsburgh at San Francisco
Speaker 1: home versus the Seahawks, then Carolina at home, and then
Speaker 1: on the road against Philadelphia. So the Redskins no favors
Speaker 1: at the end either. But out of those four teams
Speaker 1: out of the NFC East, did the Cowboys actually have
Speaker 1: maybe the easiest draw out of those four as it's
Speaker 1: up to the side. Heckman is laughing for a reason.
Speaker 1: I don't think Philly's draw looks too good. No, no,
Speaker 1: I mean the Cowboys isn't great, but every everybody in
Speaker 1: the division has to play the forty nine Ers and
Speaker 1: the Ravens at some point. And Mickey Spagnola's got his
Speaker 1: own podcast now on this network, but I used to
Speaker 1: argue with him all the time, Oh, first play, schedule
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. They all play the same teams. Now Philly's
Speaker 1: got to play Green Bay in New Orleans, and there's
Speaker 1: a difference in having to play those two quarterbacks not
Speaker 1: having to play yea, sir, No, that's a That's a
Speaker 1: tough schedule down the stretch. And you know, for us, man,
Speaker 1: it's always been December. Like you said, Rob, when you
Speaker 1: look at the schedule, you just want to look and
Speaker 1: see what we have for December, because we had that
Speaker 1: December cloud hanging over our head. It looks as though,
Speaker 1: I mean, even when you look at our schedule, it
Speaker 1: gets really funky right there towards the end, from November
Speaker 1: first all the way to December twenty seven with the
Speaker 1: Steelers and the Vikings. But man, the Saints Green Bay,
Speaker 1: oh Man Boo Eagles. Absolutely, yeah, No, I mean obviously
Speaker 1: we can look at the other teams all day long
Speaker 1: and see what they have to face. I mean, ultimately,
Speaker 1: you know, the count ways have a lot that they
Speaker 1: have to bear it this year. Um, you know obviously,
Speaker 1: and we we've talked about all these things, right, new coach,
Speaker 1: new regime, new offense, new defense, everything. So you know,
Speaker 1: as as we always do, when you want the other
Speaker 1: teams in your division obviously to take the ales, especially
Speaker 1: down the road. But like we you know, these guys
Speaker 1: got to win some games. Man, they have to win
Speaker 1: them earlier, but I earlier, and hopefully we can get
Speaker 1: stay healthy too. I Saiah, let me ask you this now,
Speaker 1: when you look at those matchups like for our team
Speaker 1: versus those AFC North opponents like Pittsburgh and Baltimore, what
Speaker 1: is that gonna do for us as a team potentially
Speaker 1: going into the playoffs coming against those edgy in those
Speaker 1: tough teams like Baltimore San Francisco even I think it
Speaker 1: does a great gym in terms of preparing you for
Speaker 1: what you're gonna face, because playoff football is a whole
Speaker 1: other level as we all as we all know, right,
Speaker 1: So playoff football levels up about ten times or whatever
Speaker 1: speed you think regular gameplay is. It is literally ten
Speaker 1: times faster and every play matter. So when you're playing
Speaker 1: these greedy teams, you know, these teams that you know
Speaker 1: you can have a lot of these guys that you
Speaker 1: know that have a little edge to them. Right, we're
Speaker 1: talk about the Baltimore, you talk about Minnesota. At this part,
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna be in a dog fight all
Speaker 1: three of those teams, right, A FC's nasty, So you
Speaker 1: know you're gonna you're gonna be in a dog fight.
Speaker 1: So it prepares you for that stretch, right, it prepares
Speaker 1: you for that stretch and what you're gonna endure going
Speaker 1: for because like we talked about, you know you got Pittsburgh, Minnesota,
Speaker 1: all right, those teams are you got to get your
Speaker 1: mind right, all right, Washington, it's always a rivalry game,
Speaker 1: so you know whatever. But then you got Baltimore, right,
Speaker 1: you got you gotta go to Baltimore. Right, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be cold them you got hardball out there, you got
Speaker 1: them dogs out the Earl Cats I played with, I
Speaker 1: mean there, I mean you have to be be serious, right,
Speaker 1: be ready to roll and then you come back, you know,
Speaker 1: to you know, Cincinnati, and then like I said, we
Speaker 1: have that last three stretch, so that's gonna prepare you.
Speaker 1: Hopefully that launches you in that competitive edge going into
Speaker 1: that final stretch and then transition to straight into the playoffs. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, is Rob Well just piggyback and on what
Speaker 1: Isaiah said for a couple of weeks now the whole
Speaker 1: mental toughness thing that that is so true when you're
Speaker 1: talking about trying to navigate a schedule, because just the
Speaker 1: longer I cover this team in the league, when I
Speaker 1: see the schedule come out every year, I can look
Speaker 1: at it two ways. I could say, oh damn, they
Speaker 1: can win every game on the schedule, jump out the game.
Speaker 1: It's just that just that just speaks to the parody
Speaker 1: in the league. And and when you talk, when you
Speaker 1: talk to people around the team, the biggest thing for
Speaker 1: them is how to win close games. And they did
Speaker 1: They did it two years ago. They did not do
Speaker 1: it last year. And when things weren't going their way,
Speaker 1: it kind of had a snowball effect at times last year.
Speaker 1: And I think that speaks to the mental toughness. Isaiah
Speaker 1: talks about you got to be able to bounce back.
Speaker 1: And and that's if they can find a way to
Speaker 1: win close games this year, they're gonna be just fine.
Speaker 1: And but how do they do that? You know, and
Speaker 1: that that's gonna be the difference. Okay, uh yeah, we lost,
Speaker 1: we lost Kyle's mike. But you know, I think what's
Speaker 1: also important about this this season is what's going to
Speaker 1: be the identity of this group. Guys. You know when
Speaker 1: you talk about and I said, you know and Rob,
Speaker 1: you guys know this for sure that towards the end
Speaker 1: of every sea, every season, a team has an identity. Well,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are gonna have to have their identity immediately
Speaker 1: in order to compete and not put themselves behind the
Speaker 1: eight ball in this schedule because of the good teams
Speaker 1: that they have on the schedule. Absolutely, yeah, these guys
Speaker 1: are gonna figure it out. They're gonna have to figure
Speaker 1: it out asac right, Like you're like you're pertaining to
Speaker 1: so I mean, right off the bat, you know, this
Speaker 1: team is going to be tested greater than they ever
Speaker 1: have been, right because everything that they're already coming into
Speaker 1: the season with right the restricted you know, preparation, you know,
Speaker 1: with the COVID nineteen stuff. You know our guys in shape, right, Um,
Speaker 1: do guys have enough time to absorb this new this
Speaker 1: this new system. You know, all the young guys, can
Speaker 1: they catch up? Right? Can they catch up and get
Speaker 1: ready for what's gonna what's gonna be expected of them,
Speaker 1: especially some of these these big name guys like CD
Speaker 1: and such. Um. And then you go straight to a
Speaker 1: brand new stadium and one of the most populated cities
Speaker 1: that it's gonna that place is gonna be flooded, right,
Speaker 1: and you gotta face freaking and Aaron Donald and golf
Speaker 1: and you know, and then you know, and then it's like, okay, shoot,
Speaker 1: if I survived that, then I come back home. We're
Speaker 1: going home and guess what going it? We got Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan coming in right, So, so I mean it's you're
Speaker 1: like you said, you're gonna be tested, you know those
Speaker 1: first three games. He's gonna be like, who who do
Speaker 1: we have? Do we have some dogs in the locker room?
Speaker 1: You know, we know we got a dog at coach,
Speaker 1: but do we have some dogs in the locker room?
Speaker 1: It's this team gonna come together? Are we gonna use
Speaker 1: you know this COVID nineteen stuff as, Oh, we didn't
Speaker 1: have enough time to prepare, they didn't have enough time
Speaker 1: to to to bond, and nobody wants to hear we
Speaker 1: got we got, we gotta work. We gotta get every
Speaker 1: teams dealing with it. Yeah. Yeah, And then whenever you
Speaker 1: get down the stretch, you have an opportunity to look
Speaker 1: at some of those other teams that have gone through
Speaker 1: some of those mental obstacles and even physical too. I mean,
Speaker 1: you look at Philadelphia. You mentioned it, Rob They have
Speaker 1: to play Green Bay this year. They played him last
Speaker 1: year on the road and beat Green Bay. One of
Speaker 1: the big reasons why that happened. Davante Adams is hurt,
Speaker 1: and I know there's always that next man of mentality,
Speaker 1: and there's always the rollover with injuries and whatnot, and
Speaker 1: you've got to still win games without injured players, but
Speaker 1: it still plays a factor as to who you are
Speaker 1: as a football team, and that's something that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have looked at in the past. So we've kind of
Speaker 1: gone through this schedule a little bit. There are some
Speaker 1: other recent storylines we definitely need to hit up when
Speaker 1: we come back. Stephen Jones went on Mike Florio and
Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk race some eyebrows a little bit during
Speaker 1: his conversation. Could this be a little bit of insight
Speaker 1: into the Cowboys chess match with the Dak Prescott negotiations.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that coming up next year on Talking Cowboys.
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Speaker 1: talked through here on Talking Cowboys. Glad you're with us
Speaker 1: here on this Tuesday. Hope everybody had a safe and
Speaker 1: fun Mother's Day weekend. Happy Mother's Day, Late Mother's Day
Speaker 1: to all of those out there and guys. We kind
Speaker 1: of took up that first segment talking about the schedule
Speaker 1: release and some of the implications on that NFC some
Speaker 1: other storylines coming out of this past week. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: did go out and sign Cam Irving one year, two
Speaker 1: point five million dollars, and then he has an opportunity
Speaker 1: to earn some incentives up to a quarter million dollars
Speaker 1: depending on his play here in twenty twenty overtakes maybe
Speaker 1: Brandon Night as that swing tackle spot and replaces the departed.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, I'm blanking on a name here. Who was
Speaker 1: the swimming tackle that Cam flaming? I'm sorry, I'm almost
Speaker 1: said Cam Irving, even though it's Sam flaming that he's
Speaker 1: replaced whatever moving forward as the swing tame available Cam. Yeah,
Speaker 1: best available Cam. How about that. Let's just throw that
Speaker 1: out there. But he was up there blocking for Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes in twenty nineteen with the Kansas City Chiefs and
Speaker 1: Rob what do you feel like this does for that
Speaker 1: offensive line? Because it gives you a little bit extra
Speaker 1: depth at the tackle spot, but it also gives you
Speaker 1: a guy who could play interior offensive line if you
Speaker 1: don't like the battle that's going on there. Yeah, versatility's big,
Speaker 1: I think based on what he did last year. Though
Speaker 1: you said it, swing tackle is one of the honestly,
Speaker 1: coming out of the draft, it is one of the
Speaker 1: most glaring needs they had left potentially. I know they
Speaker 1: like Brandon Night, but when you're talking about an offseason
Speaker 1: that we just talked about, truncated workouts and all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, I think having an experienced guy if
Speaker 1: you've got to move things up and you don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of practice time. Uh. In Irving, I think
Speaker 1: that's that's a that's a good get. Eight game started
Speaker 1: at left tackle for the Chiefs last year, and yeah,
Speaker 1: you could play a couple of different spots. I think
Speaker 1: he's played some center too, So you know, having a
Speaker 1: guy is on your backup lining pretty much play anywhere
Speaker 1: and has played a lot of football. I think that's good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's what we needed. And like you said, uh Rob,
Speaker 1: before the before the draft, that swing tackle was something
Speaker 1: that we were eyeball and now we get it with
Speaker 1: that veteran. With the veteran guy has obviously championship pedigree
Speaker 1: and winning the Super Bowl in Kansas City, and so
Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting. I believe the depth at the
Speaker 1: offensive line, you know that we're gonna these guys are
Speaker 1: gonna be fighting it out, especially at the center and
Speaker 1: guard uh position. But with the new CBA, I do
Speaker 1: believe that the Cowboys are gonna be able to carry
Speaker 1: eight uh offensive lineman on this the the on the
Speaker 1: on the roster, is that correct? I believe they are
Speaker 1: required to carry eight is what I think it is.
Speaker 1: And you have your your five starters that everybody kind
Speaker 1: of goes for and knows about, and then you've also
Speaker 1: got those backup potentials. Whenever you talk about whoever loses
Speaker 1: the Connor McGovern, Connor Williams and Joe Looney battle. And
Speaker 1: then you also have I think you look at the
Speaker 1: contract for Cam Irving here and I think it shows
Speaker 1: that he's expected to be on the roster. He's expected
Speaker 1: to be that swing tackle, and you need a guy
Speaker 1: like that because Tyrn smiss missed three games in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: He's missed games in the past couple of years. And
Speaker 1: then on the other side, you've got Lyell Collins who
Speaker 1: missed a game last year, and I know he's been
Speaker 1: probably the most significant part of that offensive line, maybe
Speaker 1: outside of Zack Martin, but he's gonna miss some games
Speaker 1: at the same time. Yeah, so Cam's gonna be active
Speaker 1: for sure to be Yeah, yeah, I think so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: two and a half million dollars, you're playing, Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: probably gonna be. You're probably gonna be playing quite a bit.
Speaker 1: Now that kind of leads us into though, the on
Speaker 1: the other side of the football, the defensive line, Alden's
Speaker 1: Smith apparently meeting with Roger Goodell. Now this isn't confirmed,
Speaker 1: but Stephen Jones didn't mention it on Pro Football Talk
Speaker 1: with Mike Florio yesterday and or excuse me, earlier this week,
Speaker 1: and I see the positives of Alden Smith meeting with
Speaker 1: Roger Goodell. But is there any way that this could
Speaker 1: be a negative rob in terms of the hope for
Speaker 1: reinstatement for both Smith and then also Randy Gregory. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Ka. I think that's just part
Speaker 1: of the process. Okay, guys trying to get back in
Speaker 1: the league, and from the Cowboys experience with Randy, it's
Speaker 1: been a face to face meeting with Roger. And then
Speaker 1: there's a time frame for when Roger gets back to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and the NFL makes his decision. So you know,
Speaker 1: you hope it's something. It's a it's a window that
Speaker 1: they get a decision before training camp whenever that starts.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I think it's just part of the process.
Speaker 1: And uh, and we'll see what happens. I mean, the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: you know, they don't have a feeling either way. But
Speaker 1: I think obviously there's hope if they went out and
Speaker 1: signed Alvin Smith, that that there's a possibility. You know,
Speaker 1: Jay Glazers, a well respected reporter around the league that
Speaker 1: has been working out with Alvin Smith and and maybe
Speaker 1: that's something in Commissioner Goodells, you know, looking into the
Speaker 1: case or his situation. Uh, he'll take that into account
Speaker 1: because that's everything we've heard has been very positive about
Speaker 1: his recovery. Yeah, I think this is just a status check.
Speaker 1: You know, Rogier Gidel wants to get eyes on exactly
Speaker 1: the individual that you know, you hear so much about you.
Speaker 1: You've heard about all the negative, but you know he
Speaker 1: wants to give this young man opportunity to sit down
Speaker 1: and say, hey, let me see what your character is
Speaker 1: right now. You know I'm not going gonna throw you
Speaker 1: back out there. Um, you know, I just want to
Speaker 1: evaluate a face to face what I'll any hearsay as
Speaker 1: to where you're at right now and make my own judgment,
Speaker 1: and then what'll reconvene and see, um, if you're ready
Speaker 1: to touch the field again and represent this shield. Just
Speaker 1: a straight formality is really what it is. As U.
Speaker 1: You gotta have to go through that process. You gotta
Speaker 1: get in front of the commissioner and hope everything works out,
Speaker 1: because if Smith and Gregory are reinstated, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: that right defensive indspot isn't as much of a hole
Speaker 1: as it is, maybe even a surplus of guys with
Speaker 1: now the fifth round draft pick and Bradley and I
Speaker 1: also being added into the mix. But that wasn't the
Speaker 1: only thing that Stephen Jones talked to Mike Florio about
Speaker 1: over the weekend. And I'm interested to see what Isaiah
Speaker 1: has to say about this one as a former quarterback
Speaker 1: and also as a former player in the league in general,
Speaker 1: and then also Rob as an insider and heckmas Our
Speaker 1: Swiss Army Knife. I want to see what you guys
Speaker 1: think about what Stephen Jones said on Floria or with
Speaker 1: Florio about Dak Prescott and the contract negotiations. Now, he
Speaker 1: made it abundantly clear they still want to pay Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott and they want to get a deal done. They're
Speaker 1: not going to rescind that franchise tag. However, he did
Speaker 1: come out and say that, I mean, it's kind of
Speaker 1: what we all know. It's the fact of if you
Speaker 1: put too much money in one position, especially your quarterback,
Speaker 1: it really hinders the rest of your roster. What kind
Speaker 1: of angle is this taking in terms of your negotiations,
Speaker 1: because the Joneses have been known to negotiate in public,
Speaker 1: What does this do and what is this insight into
Speaker 1: how the negotiations are going right now? Well, it's a
Speaker 1: loaded question. It is definitely a loaded question. And I
Speaker 1: can tell you right now, Dak Prescott is watching Jerry
Speaker 1: require to talk about showing me the money. So right
Speaker 1: now they need to pay this dude. I mean, they
Speaker 1: need to pay them, and you're not You're not helping
Speaker 1: yourself now or in the future. Um, you know they're
Speaker 1: not going to resend an offer. Okay, nobody really resents
Speaker 1: a franchise tag offer until a franchise quarterback, it doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: So making that statement does nothing for anybody, right, So
Speaker 1: he's gonna play underneath that franchise tag most likely. But
Speaker 1: you know you paid You paid your receiver twenty million
Speaker 1: a year, right, like you paid your receiver twenty million
Speaker 1: a year. So you're not willing to at this point
Speaker 1: in time, not willing to double that up and pay
Speaker 1: the man who gets him the ball, right. You know,
Speaker 1: it's hard to it's hard to fathom in and I
Speaker 1: think that Stephen right now in camp have really they
Speaker 1: threw it on his shoulders there they're there. They kind
Speaker 1: of threw him under the bus a little bit because
Speaker 1: they know what what Cowboys fans want, right, Cowboys fans
Speaker 1: won a championship. That is number one, right, it's the
Speaker 1: most highly touted, you know, team in the league, in
Speaker 1: the world, and they know that the pressures from everybody
Speaker 1: else is going to affect his ability to make sound decisions,
Speaker 1: possibly right if he doesn't have the right camp. So
Speaker 1: put it on his shoulders saying hey, you know, you
Speaker 1: know the analytics show that if you pay your quarterback
Speaker 1: too much, then your team success rate goes down. Man,
Speaker 1: that's that's BS, that's BS. We're not in that world.
Speaker 1: We're not Tom Brady. Nobody's Tom Brady. The only reason why,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously Tom Brady has has just just changed everything. Right,
Speaker 1: he's the curveball, right, He's taking less money for a
Speaker 1: number of years to ensure that they have that they
Speaker 1: have a you know, super Bowl championship team. So that's different.
Speaker 1: You know, these cats are young. You know, they've seen
Speaker 1: a lot of ownership in the past not treat players
Speaker 1: so well. Right, Um, so you have to go out,
Speaker 1: you get one opportunity really in your career to get
Speaker 1: that big boy contract and get that guarantee money. And
Speaker 1: I really think that's what it comes down to, is
Speaker 1: what's those guarantees numbers? Looking like, we haven't hurting anything.
Speaker 1: We don't know anything for sure, but I can almost
Speaker 1: assure you that it's all about the guarantee money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what we've been talking about. How the reports
Speaker 1: say it could be the length of the deal is
Speaker 1: the biggest hold up. But I'm with Isaiah, I wonder
Speaker 1: if it's more still about dollars and trying to figure
Speaker 1: that out based on you know, because Stephen's talking about. Honestly,
Speaker 1: what Stephen said to me is no different than what
Speaker 1: he said the past couple of years about under contracts
Speaker 1: they've tried to get done. I mean, you know, talking
Speaker 1: about dividing the pie and trying to create a deep
Speaker 1: enough roster top to bottom to be successful. I honestly,
Speaker 1: I've said this before. I think both sides are right.
Speaker 1: You know, Steven's right, like in the in the today's
Speaker 1: NFL the parody, you've got to be able to have
Speaker 1: a deep roster that can be fielded one to fifty five,
Speaker 1: one to fifty three, whatever it is now, and so
Speaker 1: how do you how do you navigate that with these
Speaker 1: top players that you have. At the same time, Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott is he's a player and he's trying to get
Speaker 1: as much money as he can and maximize his earning
Speaker 1: potential while he can't, especially given the first four years
Speaker 1: of his career at his position what he was making.
Speaker 1: So you can't fault him for that. But you also
Speaker 1: can't fault the Cowboys for trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1: You know, what's what's the best way to divide it
Speaker 1: all up. But ultimately, I don't, I don't really sweat it.
Speaker 1: I feel like we've gone down this road with DeMarcus
Speaker 1: and Zeke, and ultimately it always gets done. So we'll see.
Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't. I don't sweat it too much.
Speaker 1: Heck no, you know what, I actually watched the entire
Speaker 1: interview and I didn't take anything from what When he
Speaker 1: made the comment about analytics, that didn't seem like verbal
Speaker 1: sparring to me through the media for Steve and Jones,
Speaker 1: I just felt as though he was he was, you know,
Speaker 1: basically stating a truth that all thirty two teams are
Speaker 1: dealing with. But they I mean, it wouldn't matter to
Speaker 1: Green Bay if they went to the Super Bowl and
Speaker 1: Rogers making them money. They want to shatter that statistic anyway.
Speaker 1: Analytics are not Dak Prescott is homegrown. He's our quarterback.
Speaker 1: If you've been a Cowboy fan long enough to see
Speaker 1: they go through those years of having really horrible or
Speaker 1: borderline quarterbacks, we got our guy. I mean, he's our
Speaker 1: guy that we that the Joneses bench Tony Romo for.
Speaker 1: You know. So I don't see this as a point
Speaker 1: of saying, Okay, sign this or else. I didn't take
Speaker 1: it like that one way or another. Dak Prescott is
Speaker 1: gonna come into this season two ways. He's gonna be
Speaker 1: the highest paid quarterback in the NFL, or he's gonna
Speaker 1: be amongst the highest paid quarterbacks in the NFL with
Speaker 1: the franchise to either way, he's gonna be a Dallas Cowboy.
Speaker 1: And so, I mean, I think that the NFL and
Speaker 1: I think that the Cowboys do a really great job
Speaker 1: of owning the off season to keep our name in
Speaker 1: your mouth. Everybody's talking about Dak Prescott in this contract
Speaker 1: except for Dak and his representatives. And so I find
Speaker 1: it very interesting because we don't know what's on the table,
Speaker 1: and we keep speculating about it. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: no matter if it's the years, if it's the money,
Speaker 1: all of it benefits the Cowboys in the end. Well,
Speaker 1: and I think go for it. No, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you. Heck and I and I
Speaker 1: totally agree with you Rob as well. That you know
Speaker 1: this is you know that he made some good points
Speaker 1: in analytics. He's not wrong, you know, and you know
Speaker 1: obviously Dak has his time span, he wants to do
Speaker 1: things in But I take offense to it as a
Speaker 1: as a player because as the leader of this organization now, right,
Speaker 1: which is we can all we can all wrest sure
Speaker 1: that he's the leader of this organization now in terms
Speaker 1: as a player, you you did other deals before me, right,
Speaker 1: It was like like you made these other deals happen.
Speaker 1: And now I'm sitting back and I'm being asked right
Speaker 1: to take less than what I really want simply because
Speaker 1: oh there's not enough money and now we have to
Speaker 1: save money? Right? Where was where were you save money conversations?
Speaker 1: Save money conversations when when you know when cool paid,
Speaker 1: So like, it's not not the conversation, it's the time
Speaker 1: the conversation. Right, These conversations are happening after the money
Speaker 1: has already been handed out to these other camps who
Speaker 1: are very valuable players. But guess what, these guys really
Speaker 1: don't do much unless I'm taking care of my business, right,
Speaker 1: So that's where an issue lies, right, and I'm and
Speaker 1: I'm again, we're all assuming, right, But if it was me,
Speaker 1: I would be up up in the air a little
Speaker 1: bit in terms of, you know, me being the last
Speaker 1: guy to get paid. About it? Now, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: now we've got to budget, now, Isaiah, I want to
Speaker 1: play Devil's advocate here. You're talking about adding these other
Speaker 1: players and putting money elsewhere. You put the money into
Speaker 1: Marii Cooper. You put your draft stock into taking Cedee
Speaker 1: Lamb in the first round rather than maybe going with
Speaker 1: Calavon Chason and an edge rusher. You went with these
Speaker 1: different moves. Could you use that as, hey, we're giving
Speaker 1: you weapons with these are gifts for you to be
Speaker 1: successful because we think that, hey, if you've got this
Speaker 1: around you, you're a Super Bowl contending quarterback. That's what
Speaker 1: we're doing for you. Now it's time to maybe give
Speaker 1: back here. What are your thoughts around that, because it
Speaker 1: seems like at least over the courts of the offseason,
Speaker 1: they've done their job in terms of protecting Dak and
Speaker 1: giving him plenty of weapons in order to try and
Speaker 1: be successful, you know what. And I appreciate and I
Speaker 1: value your point. But then again come back to timing, right,
Speaker 1: who did they who? Who did they just sign at
Speaker 1: his position? That's true, Right, nobody's seeing him as a threat.
Speaker 1: And I don't see him as a threat either. But
Speaker 1: guess what he is a what if? Right? What if
Speaker 1: this doesn't go the way that we wanted to What
Speaker 1: if you don't get your way, or what if you
Speaker 1: throw a fit and you don't want to sign this
Speaker 1: tenor guess what? We got somebody that can step in
Speaker 1: and do your No, no, no, I'm saying, I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I'm just saying it might it may
Speaker 1: not be the way. It might not happen that way,
Speaker 1: But the worst case scenario, they can do that. Right,
Speaker 1: that's not I mean to me, even drawing that scenario
Speaker 1: isn't realistic because the Cowboys have groomed Dack to this
Speaker 1: point and you don't get you don't groom a quarterback
Speaker 1: and get to the time that you have to sign
Speaker 1: this guy and throw them to the wolves. This this
Speaker 1: is the time that we know. Look, we've owned the offseason,
Speaker 1: all of this speculation. Really, guys, July the fifteenth is
Speaker 1: where we gotta wait on all this, right because if
Speaker 1: nothing happens in between now and July fifteenth, then we
Speaker 1: can hit the panic button. Then we can start talking
Speaker 1: about disrespect. But all of this is just speculative. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: and here's the thing. Dak went from being a fourth
Speaker 1: round guy to now being the face of a franchise,
Speaker 1: a marketing name that's out there. I mean, the advertising
Speaker 1: dollars are coming in. All of that has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with the contract that the Cowboys are gonna get
Speaker 1: him give him. But at the same time, every throw
Speaker 1: that Dak makes this season is gonna be under the microscope.
Speaker 1: If he bet on himself last year, he's gonna have
Speaker 1: to bet on himself again. He's gonna have to That's
Speaker 1: gonna be a tremendous amount of pressure on him to succeed,
Speaker 1: all right, and that microscope is going to be hot
Speaker 1: and right under him. Every quarterback that he has on
Speaker 1: the schedule, I mean, Jared Goff, Russell Wilson, also Matt Ryan,
Speaker 1: big Ben, Roethlisberger, all of these guys, all his contemporaries,
Speaker 1: these are guys that he that have made more money
Speaker 1: than him, and he's wanting to make more money than them.
Speaker 1: He gets an opportunity to go out and show it,
Speaker 1: just like everybody else did. And I don't think Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott wants to bet on himself again. I don't think
Speaker 1: he wants to go into another contract year, whether it's
Speaker 1: on the franchise tag or whatever. He wants the long
Speaker 1: term deal, which is why ultimately I sit on the
Speaker 1: side of the fence that I think it's going to
Speaker 1: get done. A lot of people forget that with the
Speaker 1: NFL Draft and all of the production and all the
Speaker 1: work that goes into getting and leading up into a draft,
Speaker 1: it takes away time from the contract negotiations and things
Speaker 1: like that, and I think that was one of the cases.
Speaker 1: And then also the terribly tragic passing of his brother
Speaker 1: kind of put a hold on it. After the draft,
Speaker 1: you're not going to see those conversations as you would
Speaker 1: normally expect because of the morning and the sad this
Speaker 1: around that, And you got to give him as much
Speaker 1: time as he needs. You gotta give him a ton
Speaker 1: of time. That's something that nobody really wants to bring
Speaker 1: up because it was. It was tragic and it was sad,
Speaker 1: but it also just puts a little bit of a
Speaker 1: hold there. You've got till July fifteenth, Like you said,
Speaker 1: hack Mo, there's plenty of time to get this done.
Speaker 1: But I was asked on we were asked on Twitter
Speaker 1: as a as a group, yes or no? Do you
Speaker 1: think the long term deal gets done with Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: We'll start with you, hack R. Okay, it's asked me again.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I was thinking to ask Rob does he
Speaker 1: think he's worth the money? Well, yeah, if you want
Speaker 1: to go with that, Rob, and I think he's worth
Speaker 1: the money. Rob, you're thinking sign Okay, No, I think
Speaker 1: he's earned a new contract. And I think the Cowboys, Kyle,
Speaker 1: you just said something that you got to. You gotta
Speaker 1: point this out. I mean, I think he didn't bet
Speaker 1: on himself last year. I think that he's definitely something
Speaker 1: done and he decided he wanted to he wanted to
Speaker 1: play it out, and I think he did. I think
Speaker 1: he was right. I mean, he made the Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: and had a good season to try to keep maximizing
Speaker 1: his earning potential. But the Cowboys have been trying to
Speaker 1: get this done. I mean it's it's I think maybe
Speaker 1: that was part of Steven's point, is it's not that
Speaker 1: they're trying to to delay this. I think you want
Speaker 1: to try to get this done. If anything, I think
Speaker 1: trying to get him done first would have been easier
Speaker 1: because then you could have slotted things around the biggest
Speaker 1: deal on your roster first. Um. But but Isaiah, I'm
Speaker 1: with Isaiah. I mean, I think he's earned, he's earned
Speaker 1: a new contract. And but again I don't I don't
Speaker 1: sweat it. To answer your question, Kyle, yes, I think
Speaker 1: it gets done by July fifteen. The answers yes, The
Speaker 1: answer is yes, Kyle, it gets done before July fifteenth.
Speaker 1: No way they go into two of days with this looming,
Speaker 1: or of the season, with this contract looming. It has
Speaker 1: to get done. And yes, I again, when my brother's
Speaker 1: over there, yes it gets done. But again I am
Speaker 1: to your point where I timing, you know, timing time
Speaker 1: and timing, and and there was a there was a
Speaker 1: there's always a better way that something could have been done,
Speaker 1: and I feel like this should have been. They could
Speaker 1: have really communicated to him, you know the importance of
Speaker 1: him in this organization by making sure that this deal
Speaker 1: got done first, right, and then all the other parts coming,
Speaker 1: but him as the leader of this team, I'm the
Speaker 1: last guy. You know, if we're playing dodgeball, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You picked me last. You know, we're
Speaker 1: playing pickup ball, you picked me last. You're telling me
Speaker 1: that I'm your guy, but you're taking care of me last. Right,
Speaker 1: everybody else getting paid up the lineman are getting paid. Say,
Speaker 1: secondary is getting paid. You know it's getting I'm just saying, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm there, but you're But now you're trying to talk
Speaker 1: to me about budgets, you know, analytics, analytics. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it gets done, but I like again and he'll be happy, right,
Speaker 1: and nobody will talk about this anymore. But there is
Speaker 1: a better way that this could have been handled in
Speaker 1: the conversations. Aren't that complicated that it couldn't have been
Speaker 1: done a long time ago? Everything is sitting as a message.
Speaker 1: Everything does. I'm still on the side of saying that
Speaker 1: it's less about budge jets and more about years and
Speaker 1: length of deal and things of that sort of wanting
Speaker 1: to have Dak under contract for five years and have
Speaker 1: his rights for five years rather than four. But until
Speaker 1: we know what the negotiations are like, it's kind of
Speaker 1: tough to speculate either way. Now, one of those weapons
Speaker 1: around Dak Prescott could be in for a position chang
Speaker 1: or at least we're going to talk about it in
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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott negotiations and what that could mean and some
Speaker 1: of the public negotiations that may have been had with
Speaker 1: Steven Jones and Mike Florio. But we can talk about
Speaker 1: all the off field stuff all off season long. I
Speaker 1: want to talk about football because I'm a football guy,
Speaker 1: and I want to talk about the xs and os.
Speaker 1: So we're going to start a new segment and this
Speaker 1: will be I don't know if this is a weekly thing.
Speaker 1: We might switch it in and out throughout the course
Speaker 1: of the off season, but we're talking xes and os.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask all of our great analysts. You've got
Speaker 1: the Insider and Rob Phillips, you've got a Super Bowl champion,
Speaker 1: and Isaiah swished him in Swiss Army knife over here.
Speaker 1: Swiss Army knife. Heck, but Harrison played by the way
Speaker 1: college ball as well. So we've we've got We've got
Speaker 1: every angle covered here and we can talk about everything
Speaker 1: we can, from access to o's all the way through.
Speaker 1: And our first question actually comes from a fan on Twitter,
Speaker 1: and he said, could the Cowboys use Tony Pollard as
Speaker 1: their Tavon Austin slash fourth wide receiver backup role in
Speaker 1: addition to his duties as a backup running back. And
Speaker 1: Rob will start with you, I hope. So I'd love
Speaker 1: to see that. I mean, I think use him on
Speaker 1: punt returns and then also use him in different ways
Speaker 1: out of the backfield. I don't know if he would
Speaker 1: be your full time fourth receiver, but but yes, I
Speaker 1: mean I think his skill set allows for that. A
Speaker 1: guy that can line up in different spots, line up
Speaker 1: in the same backfield as z and and help in
Speaker 1: different ways. The way they used him last year was interesting.
Speaker 1: It was more so, you know, when they had a
Speaker 1: lead and they kind of salted away games with him
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. But but yes, I think he could
Speaker 1: be more involved as a receiver isah. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he could be more involved as well. I don't see
Speaker 1: him being a four time just like Rob said, but
Speaker 1: I mean I can definitely see him coming out of
Speaker 1: the backfield or even just lining up and doing some
Speaker 1: some two man concepts and him kind of just pulling
Speaker 1: some of that underneath coverage. I don't really foresee him
Speaker 1: going down field too much, but him working on linebackers.
Speaker 1: I think he could do that all day, all day long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a He's a package guy. You know, Tony, you
Speaker 1: gonna have the Tony Pollard packages. Before we drafted Ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 1: I think we talked about that a few episodes ago
Speaker 1: about him actually being maybe that guy that to replace
Speaker 1: Cobb is that third receiver in certain packages. Now with
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb, most of those yards are gone and Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Ellen is gonna need that bona fide backup to give
Speaker 1: you that thunder lightning. And Tony Pollard showed you that
Speaker 1: he has the capacity to take on that load as well.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm excited for a young player like him,
Speaker 1: and hopefully, you know, the the Cowboys have those different
Speaker 1: packages to keep him involved, but also keeping him involved
Speaker 1: in special teams, just keeping that rhythm goal. With Tony Pollard,
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be important. You want to
Speaker 1: get the ball question? Sorry, Kyle, now go for a rub.
Speaker 1: It's just an interesting question though, because you get past
Speaker 1: those top three receivers and it's like it's a lot
Speaker 1: of young guys trying to get those maybe last two
Speaker 1: or three spots. You know. Oh yeah, it's John Day
Speaker 1: Johnson who was on IR last year. It's it's Devin Smith.
Speaker 1: It's I'm trying to Cedric Wilson. Yeah, so you know,
Speaker 1: it's you know, there's opportunity I think for Tony and
Speaker 1: maybe help in that area. Well, and you look at
Speaker 1: some of the stats that he's had over his career. Now,
Speaker 1: last year was a little bit different. He didn't necessarily,
Speaker 1: I don't think he was utilized as well as he
Speaker 1: could have been in the passing game. Fifteen receptions, one
Speaker 1: hundred and seven yards. However, you go back to what
Speaker 1: he did in Memphis. He had at least twenty nine
Speaker 1: receptions each of his three years as a starter, and
Speaker 1: he had at almost almost or over three hundred yards
Speaker 1: each season, and he averaged over ten yards per catch.
Speaker 1: So I think you could absolutely use a guy like
Speaker 1: that and just get the ball in his hands. That's
Speaker 1: kind of what I was gonna talk about with Heckma.
Speaker 1: You want to get your playmaker the ball, and he's
Speaker 1: one of those guys who is so lightning quick and
Speaker 1: so shifty that he could be a playmaker when need be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's you know, like you hit the nail on the
Speaker 1: head when you talk about what he did at Memphis.
Speaker 1: He was I mean, they had a running back, they
Speaker 1: had a guy his full time running back, and Pollard,
Speaker 1: even though he was a running back, handle most of
Speaker 1: the receiving duties for the running back. So I see
Speaker 1: him being able to have it already, that skill set there.
Speaker 1: But Isaiah alluded to it just him in those little
Speaker 1: small spaces up against a linebacker. I mean, that's a
Speaker 1: good night, Irene. You know that Tony Pollard is gonna
Speaker 1: win that battle every time. And so you know the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have a good problem. But once Cede Lamb came
Speaker 1: into the equation, man, those yard, that yard is just shrank.
Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah. I mean that's what I was gonna contest to.
Speaker 1: It is just how often do we really you know,
Speaker 1: I hate this because there's so much talent on every
Speaker 1: NFL team, right, I mean, I mean you're if you're
Speaker 1: in the league, you can ball, right, And what happens
Speaker 1: this guy's like polar get buried and you know they
Speaker 1: get they get buried. They get buried on rosters and
Speaker 1: they don't get the tick that they need. They don't
Speaker 1: get the tick that they need in order to develop
Speaker 1: into the players that they that they should be. And
Speaker 1: I think this is possibly another one of those scenarios, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, you got those three receivers. Those guys aren't
Speaker 1: coming off the field, right, You got you got a
Speaker 1: gallup coup and CD. They're not coming off the field.
Speaker 1: You gotta drawing at you know at tight end he's
Speaker 1: not coming off the field. You know, then you got Zeke.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get his touches. So how many touches do
Speaker 1: you honestly see Polar getting even if you go into
Speaker 1: a five or five you know, five out, you know set,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what he's doing. He's running underneath routes.
Speaker 1: You know if he comes in the game, you know
Speaker 1: as at running back, is he really tolding the ball
Speaker 1: that much? Nah? You know, because we bringing Zeke back
Speaker 1: in so as a defense, you know that he's going
Speaker 1: to be limited in terms of what they're gonna allow
Speaker 1: for him to do. So you know, it kind of
Speaker 1: cuts down his productivity. So I like to kill. I
Speaker 1: like I think he's I think he's dope. But again,
Speaker 1: you know, you got some other do is that at
Speaker 1: you that you're paying it have to touch the field.
Speaker 1: If there's one hope I have for twenty twenty, and
Speaker 1: there's plenty of hopes that I have for that offense
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of high expectations around it. But
Speaker 1: one of those hopes is. I don't want Tony Polar
Speaker 1: to get lost in the shuffle. I really don't. I
Speaker 1: know you have those weapons. Like Isaiah just rattled off,
Speaker 1: all of those guys are going to get their chance.
Speaker 1: I just want Tony Polar to make sure he gets
Speaker 1: his chance too, because he didn't get an opportunity last year.
Speaker 1: I don't think to really show what he had. And
Speaker 1: whenever he did have an opportunity, whether it was a
Speaker 1: small one or latent games, he showed out. And I
Speaker 1: think that's something you should at least reward and try
Speaker 1: and fit into what should be an explosive offense, because
Speaker 1: I think he can add that to the table. Now,
Speaker 1: switching to the other side of the football, who are
Speaker 1: your starting corners? Of course, the Cowboys go out and
Speaker 1: take a second round selection in Treyvon Diggs. They add
Speaker 1: Reggie Robinson in the fourth round. You add that already
Speaker 1: to the cheetah Ooozier. You add that to the Jordan Lewis,
Speaker 1: the Anthony Browns of the world. Who is your starting corner? Oh,
Speaker 1: your three starting corners? Right now? Thinking about if you're
Speaker 1: in the shoes of Mike Nolan rob Well, it depends
Speaker 1: to me on what they do with Cheeto. You know,
Speaker 1: if he stays at corner, I see him as a starter,
Speaker 1: especially I leaned towards experience early given the state of
Speaker 1: this offseason, you know, I think I think Kevin Cheeto
Speaker 1: and having you know, maybe Anthony Brown too as starters
Speaker 1: might make sense early. But I you know, I think
Speaker 1: I could see Treybon Diggs as a starter down the
Speaker 1: stretch or playing starter caliber snaps down the stretch, just
Speaker 1: like those young corners did three years ago, Jordan Lewis, Cheeto,
Speaker 1: those guys, those guys, it kind of became their secondary
Speaker 1: as the year went on. But I think Isaiah's spoken
Speaker 1: in this it's hard for a corner to step in
Speaker 1: right away, you know and play starter snaps, and they
Speaker 1: do have experience ahead of him, So I would lean
Speaker 1: on that early at least. I'm surprised that you said
Speaker 1: that Diggs is not an instant starter. Honestly, is he
Speaker 1: not maybe the best corner on the team right now? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna have to go out and earn it,
Speaker 1: and and they're in a situation right now where there's
Speaker 1: not on field reps for him to take. So that's
Speaker 1: a great deal kind of I'm kind of factoring that
Speaker 1: in this year into how quickly can a rookie be
Speaker 1: ready to play NFL football if things continue the way
Speaker 1: they are. Obviously we're counting on having a training camp
Speaker 1: or at least, you know, I think the week is
Speaker 1: very hopeful of that at some point. But but I
Speaker 1: gotta factor that in when I talk about, you know
Speaker 1: what a rookie can do right away? Now he's Trayvon
Speaker 1: Diggs is a day one starter for the Cowboys. Man,
Speaker 1: you might as well pencil in me and right now
Speaker 1: he's in flready, uh, every and it's everybody else after that,
Speaker 1: you know. So, I mean, tray Bon Diggs, I want
Speaker 1: to just Trayvon Diggs, Lewis and Woozier. In my bet,
Speaker 1: you know Brown is going to be, you know, third cornerback.
Speaker 1: That's that's just my belief. I think you just circled
Speaker 1: Trayvon and just say, hey, he's our starting guy right now,
Speaker 1: and everybody else is by it out on the other side. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think you guys forget about the veteran that
Speaker 1: we picked up a couple of years ago. Daryl Worley, Yeah, yeah, Daryl.
Speaker 1: I mean I think I think you brought him in
Speaker 1: to do just that right. You brought him in, um,
Speaker 1: because he is a vet. You brought him in because
Speaker 1: he's lengthy, because he's feisty. He's gonna he's gonna be
Speaker 1: the representative of what you're trying to enact on that
Speaker 1: side of the ball. So I think that he starts.
Speaker 1: I think that, Yeah, that I believe that that Digg
Speaker 1: starts as well. I think those two guys are in there, um,
Speaker 1: and then you know you got Brown possibly in the slot.
Speaker 1: I think he is gonna be back there to safety.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't see him playing a corner too
Speaker 1: much more. I think you're gonna throw him back there.
Speaker 1: So I think you got those guys really competing. And
Speaker 1: then Robinson's gonna come along too, depending on how fast
Speaker 1: he develops in training him. Yeah, and I kind of
Speaker 1: I think I wrote about this a week or two ago,
Speaker 1: talking about the shift of thinking in terms of Mike
Speaker 1: Nolan in the corners and wanting to go longer. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if you see a combination of Darryl Worley,
Speaker 1: Trayvon Diggs and maybe even Maurice Kennedy and as well,
Speaker 1: you talk about experience, Robin wanting a guy with experience.
Speaker 1: I think those three guys could start. And the fact
Speaker 1: that Daryl Worley has started the majority of his games
Speaker 1: in his four years in the NFL kind of leans
Speaker 1: to the fact of maybe throwing him into this conversation
Speaker 1: a little bit more seriously. But I think that's a
Speaker 1: great point that you made about the fact that without
Speaker 1: this offseason, without these rookie training camps, at least in person,
Speaker 1: and then all of these different lead in events, it's
Speaker 1: going to be tough for a rookie to step in
Speaker 1: and start immediately. So last question here before we wrap
Speaker 1: things up for the day. Biggest hole to fill for
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys still. You've addressed the interior offensive line,
Speaker 1: you attest the backup swing tackle, you've added hopefully something
Speaker 1: at right defensive end. Are any of those still the
Speaker 1: main concern when it comes to the Cowboys in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Heck no, We'll start with you, Ah, you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: you know the contingency plans at the edge. We want
Speaker 1: to know what Roger Goodell thinks about you know, Smith
Speaker 1: and Gregory um safety. I'm still I still think that
Speaker 1: their question marks at the strong safety position. I believe
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods is, you know, the incumbent that we're just
Speaker 1: going to right now. But they're still may be an opportunity,
Speaker 1: uh to find some other guys in free agency are
Speaker 1: after cuts final cuts are made. So I don't think
Speaker 1: that you know, I wouldn't say the biggest hole, but
Speaker 1: I think that that's just another position that you still
Speaker 1: have to be looking at upgrading. Example, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with depth at at outside linebacker and a tight end.
Speaker 1: Those are those those are two areas that I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with. I think that we have pretty much all
Speaker 1: the other spots pretty much. You know, we have we
Speaker 1: have a lot of depth. Yea, yeah, you did continue
Speaker 1: to find depth that officer line. Um, they have depth
Speaker 1: at D line. I don't see a problem there. We're
Speaker 1: gonna get one of those ends, right you know, Smith
Speaker 1: or you know, Hopefully or whoever, you know, We're gonna
Speaker 1: get one of those guys back. No, they're not gonna
Speaker 1: He's not gonna not allow both of them back in
Speaker 1: the league. We hope back. They might come four games
Speaker 1: after after the season starts, but but one of those
Speaker 1: guys be in there. So I'm not worried about that anymore.
Speaker 1: But I am concerned about our depth de linebacker. You know,
Speaker 1: I think I think Sean Lee gets hurt or or
Speaker 1: you know, the Wolf or Jalen one of those guys
Speaker 1: getting hurts, Like who's stepping in that cauld fulfeel it
Speaker 1: the way that those guys work, right, I know we
Speaker 1: have a solid three, but if one of those three
Speaker 1: big three get knocked out, then you're then you're setting
Speaker 1: up there stret Thomas right in the middle of the
Speaker 1: mix right there. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so that that and tight end, those are those are
Speaker 1: my picks. I got a totally echo when Isaiah just
Speaker 1: said I was thinking a linebacker and because you know
Speaker 1: vander Esch, we'll see what he's able to do is
Speaker 1: the off season goes on, if he's gonna be ready
Speaker 1: for for training camp. Uh, and then yeah, tight end.
Speaker 1: You know, to me, it wasn't Uh. I didn't rule
Speaker 1: out the fact they could have drafted a tight end
Speaker 1: even though they got Blake Jerman, just because you know,
Speaker 1: I think not having Jason Witten, I think that that
Speaker 1: does leave a holder that's a guy that can block.
Speaker 1: He's an experienced player there, Blake Bell signing him, I
Speaker 1: think that gives them some experience. But I think that's
Speaker 1: that's a spot to watch and see how those guys developed,
Speaker 1: because you know, look, Jarlin's not used to playing as
Speaker 1: many snaps as he's probably gonna play this year. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's usually playing about twenty five snaps a game, and
Speaker 1: now you're asking him to play Witten Droll. That's a
Speaker 1: big difference now this year. Absolutely, And I think Blake
Speaker 1: Bell adds a little bit to that backup tight end
Speaker 1: spot because he's a better blocker, and I think he's
Speaker 1: somebody who's still an ascending player, much like Blake Jarwin.
Speaker 1: I think both blakes have an opportunity to be an
Speaker 1: ascending player in the early parts of their career. You've
Speaker 1: got Dalton Schultz back there. I agree with Isaiah on
Speaker 1: the linebacking corps, though, I think the fact that you
Speaker 1: need maybe one more guy in the mix there to
Speaker 1: go along with the uncertainty of that position with Laton
Speaker 1: vander Esh's health, the age of Sean Lee, and then
Speaker 1: also even the health and just play making ability of
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, I think all of those kind of question
Speaker 1: marks add to the fact that you need another linebacker.
Speaker 1: But that's my opinion on that overall. But that's going
Speaker 1: to do it here for Talking Cowboys. It's been a
Speaker 1: fun Tuesday morning as well. Hope everybody's staying say out
Speaker 1: there and continuing to look forward to the fall. We'll
Speaker 1: be back next week. So for heck Ma Harrison, for
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips and Isaiah stand back. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying
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