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Speaker 1: It's ft breaking news. This one is a shocker. Key

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Speaker 1: Brian Hayes moving from the Pittsburgh Pirates to the Cincinnati Reds.

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Speaker 1: I'll read this breaking news tweet from Jeff Passen, who

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Speaker 1: talks about how he's among the best defensive players in

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Speaker 1: baseball and has five years of control beyond this season.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna verbally mention first of all, the return, which

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Speaker 1: is shortstop prospect Sammy Stefora, who looks like he's like

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Speaker 1: a top ten ish prospector right around that range, and

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Speaker 1: Taylor Rogers from the Reds. I think some of that

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Speaker 1: has to do with money going back on the Pittsburgh side. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so there's your return. And Mike Petriello said the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati trade is so fascinating and sort of hard to

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Speaker 1: wrap your head around. Hey, Brian Hayes elite top end defender,

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Speaker 1: so good, but Cincinnati third basement has a sixty eight

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Speaker 1: weighted runs created plus third weakest and he's hit worse

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Speaker 1: in each of the last two years. It's not a

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Speaker 1: ballpark profile thing that I love, a fun, unexpected trade.

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Speaker 1: So that's been a problem spot for them. Although let

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Speaker 1: me point out wellbe Marte has been on a heater lately.

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Speaker 1: Did they just not like his defense? I mean he's raking.

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Speaker 1: I mean you know, I know he missed some time.

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Speaker 1: So he's got one hundred and forty six played appearances

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Speaker 1: this year eight twenty nine.

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Speaker 2: Ops, this is confusing.

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Speaker 1: I'm lost, Like do you want people were mentioning it.

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Speaker 2: This is confusing today.

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Speaker 1: Do you want Hayes starting over Marte at third?

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Speaker 2: I want it? Okay, maybe move Hayes somewhere else? Can

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Speaker 2: they move somewhere else? Though? But does he I mean

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Speaker 2: you have Ellie at short? Do you move Marte somewhere else?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So, like let's go through what their lineup looks

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Speaker 1: like right now on Fangrafts against right handed pitching. Gavin

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Speaker 1: Lux left fielder, leading off, Matt McClean.

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Speaker 2: Two, second, second basem right, Well, luck they.

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Speaker 1: Haven't left field here. Then McLean at second, Elliott short

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Speaker 1: hitting third, Austin Hayes. They have in here is dh

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Speaker 1: which can rotate around right field, Jake Frayley first base,

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Speaker 1: Spencer Steer, Tyler Stevenson at catcher. They've got Benson here

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Speaker 1: at center field, and then Marte mclin second base, batting second,

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Speaker 1: but Marte at third base Raking right now, and I

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Speaker 1: mean I'm gonna go off eye test. He's looked okay there,

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Speaker 1: and defensive metrics minus two out above average the outfield

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Speaker 1: recently Marte, so they so they moved Marte to the

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Speaker 1: outfield and they improved the third base defense. Hey, I

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Speaker 1: love a great glove at third, but is he going

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Speaker 1: to hit enough? Will the Reds fix him?

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Speaker 2: And I don't know?

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Speaker 1: And did they just tell us, Okay, we tried for

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Speaker 1: Gina Suarez, couldn't get him, So we're going with the

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Speaker 1: run prevention over the power bat.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they didn't have enough to get Suarez.

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Speaker 1: They have enough. They probably just didn't offer enough or

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Speaker 1: they lost out the bid to.

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Speaker 3: Where's the Reds value at on their team?

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Speaker 2: Pitching?

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Speaker 1: Pitching?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you've seen people, you've seen teams say and historically

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati is a joke. Maybe the fact that the ball's

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Speaker 3: not traveling as much, but the park like that was

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Speaker 3: historically offensive park. Now you look down there pitching their starters,

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Speaker 3: I mean, Emilia Pagan closing, you have a Cintilo Cinilla

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Speaker 3: like just throwing just fuel out of their pen. Maybe

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Speaker 3: they're doubling down and saying, you know what, we're gonna

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Speaker 3: pick it. Jose Trevina, I think is actually catching more

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Speaker 3: than Tyler Stevenson. They extended him. Okay there now they're sorry.

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Speaker 3: They're pretty much split skis. But you have like maybe

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Speaker 3: they're just doubling down on that defense. It's an interesting move.

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Speaker 3: Maybe the Phillies offered more for Gino Suarez.

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Speaker 1: San Tian by the way, that you were talking about

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Speaker 1: for pitching it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was trying to think of.

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Speaker 3: I was mixing the closer for the Cubs and the

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Speaker 3: guy for the Reds too.

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Speaker 1: So one Pirates fan chiming in in the chat, Matt

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Speaker 1: c said, Pittsburgh Pirate fan, here, if Cincinnati gets Hayes

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Speaker 1: to elevate, he'll be the best third basement in baseball.

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Speaker 1: Not hyperbole. He just refused to change his swing here.

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Speaker 1: Remember there's a deep history of contention with key Brian

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Speaker 1: Hayes and his swing. See if I can pull up

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Speaker 1: this story quick enough to be able to comment on

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Speaker 1: it accurately. But okay. In twenty twenty three, he was

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Speaker 1: secretly working late in the season at a private hitting

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Speaker 1: facility in Pittsburgh with John Nunneley, former big leaguer and

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Speaker 1: he was the double A hitting coach at the time.

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Speaker 1: But Hayes was frustrated and said, it's my career. I

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Speaker 1: got to do it's best for me. And then he

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Speaker 1: actually did hit well to finish the season and that

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Speaker 1: They fired Nunneley obviously they were secretly doing this, and

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Speaker 1: now I think he still works with him privately now

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Speaker 1: in fairness, I mean, he hasn't hit since then. The

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Speaker 1: last two years have been a disaster, so I don't

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Speaker 1: think any of us know if he's going to be

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Speaker 1: able to turn his bat around. But is that the

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Speaker 1: move that helps the Reds reach the postseason this year?

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Speaker 2: Maybe cool. I don't know if it's the best, but

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Speaker 2: maybe he makes some plays defensively.

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Speaker 1: And he's making money too. It's not like you're not

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Speaker 1: spending any money on him. I know Rogers gets flipped,

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Speaker 1: so that probably helps to offset some things. But Hayes

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Speaker 1: signed an eight year, seventy million dollar extension in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two that goes through twenty twenty nine. He's getting paid,

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Speaker 1: I mean contract and we'll find out more about the

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Speaker 1: money breakdown here, but the contract for Hayes. You know

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Speaker 1: he's getting seven mil this year, seven mil next year,

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Speaker 1: seven million, twenty seven, eight million, twenty eight, eight mill

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's getting paid a lot to not hit. He's

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Speaker 2: got a great agent.

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Speaker 1: I did not see that one coming out.

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Speaker 3: I would say, I would say, that's the value. What's

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Speaker 3: what's one war? What's one war worth in free agency?

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Speaker 3: Seven million dollars? Yeah, he's putting up he's putting that

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Speaker 3: up in he's putting that up in defense alone.

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Speaker 1: but you're just banking on him being you know, close

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Speaker 1: to a league average bat right, which he's done once

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Speaker 1: to a full season. The fullest was twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty six games played, and he was

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Speaker 1: at a eighty eight eighty six ops plus the year

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Speaker 1: and fifty nine, and that's not a major league hitter. Like,

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Speaker 1: if you got one more year of that, you have

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Speaker 1: a hard time finding a spot. I don't care how

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Speaker 2: I must see start change. That's the only thing I

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Speaker 2: can say the race. The Reds sees something that they

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Speaker 2: can change, and everyone keeps saying, oh in the chat,

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Speaker 2: oh oh, it's because he wouldn't elevate the ball. Well,

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Speaker 2: maybe the Reds have a way to get him to

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Speaker 2: do it. I don't know. Maybe he's a change of

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Speaker 1: It's an expensive lottery ticket though, because let's say this

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Speaker 1: is the real Key Briant Hayes bat, that's not a

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Speaker 1: big league bat. You're on the hook for a lot

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Speaker 1: of money. Unless there's a ton of money being eaten

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Speaker 1: up on the Pittsburgh Pirates side of this trade. For

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Speaker 1: the Reds are a small market team, seven million dollars

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Speaker 1: is not nothing. That's not a backup player for them.

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Speaker 1: They don't pay backup players. Seven million dollars. So Kratz

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Speaker 1: cost seven million bucks, ooh great.

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Speaker 3: And maybe he's he's more valuable to a team that pitches,

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Speaker 3: and third base is a valuable position. This is the

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Speaker 3: same organization that we were like, Wow, this Red's team.

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Speaker 3: They're primed to go, what's this free agent they're going

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Speaker 3: to get GMR Candelario. They're still saying him right now.

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Speaker 3: It didn't seem like it was a good fit. Maybe

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Speaker 3: this is the Reds being like, now we see this

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Speaker 3: is a good fit. We're gonna definitely get it. Jimer

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Speaker 3: Triple A for the Yankees.

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Speaker 1: There's a show that absolutely torched that deal. You're watching

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Speaker 1: it right now. We all collectively torched that deal. We

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Speaker 1: disagree a lot, but we all torched that deal.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: That was a massive fail. It did not make sense.

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Speaker 1: It did not make sense at the time. Three years,

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Speaker 1: forty five million, and I don't think any other team

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Speaker 1: he got his cash, but he's not worth that. And

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Speaker 1: for the Reds to take on that risk, it did

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Speaker 1: not make a lot of sense. This is a small

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Speaker 1: that's my point here. This is a significant risk for them.

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Speaker 2: It is see, we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: I'm just shocked. I'm shocked. Are you shocked?

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Speaker 2: I said that I can't believe that this happened. Now

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Speaker 2: it doesn't say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I truly believe that a team like the Yankees,

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Speaker 3: we're going to be able to like, be able to

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Speaker 3: swallow his lack of offense because of the defense. I

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Speaker 3: thought a team like the Blue Jays, who it's like, hey,

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Speaker 3: you know, they need to hit, need to slug more.

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Speaker 3: They were a team that'd be like, who cares. We

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Speaker 3: knew Andre Simenez wasn't gonna hit that great, we want

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Speaker 3: that defense. We swallowed a lot of that contract. You know,

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Speaker 2: Uh, Singer got to hit.

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Speaker 1: You gotta hit like this team, this team's not good

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Speaker 1: They made a decision. They said no, no, no man, no chance.

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Speaker 2: Before after next year, they're not taking Cabrian Hayes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, McMahon's a much better hitter than key. Brian Hayes.

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Speaker 2: Yankees one kids that can hit. Man. Pirates won this trade.

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Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of people like, oh, he's gonna

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Speaker 2: Pirates dump the Reds. I don't know what the Reds

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Speaker 3: He told Ben Cherrington, you want a contract, you need

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Speaker 1: Here's the deal. Ben Cherrington, I think sent his sixth

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Speaker 1: Pirates need offense badly. They've got some special starting pitchers

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Speaker 1: Biggest names we're talking about on the market that might

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: The asking price is high, and you're going to go

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Speaker 1: crats on Pittsburgh said that they were looking for a

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Speaker 2: I think he's got like twenty.

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Speaker 3: I think he's got like twenty one consecutive score of

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Speaker 3: like a top five, maybe like number five, and like

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Speaker 1: Houston Astros, according to most publications, are bottom five in

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Speaker 2: Well, well, they're scared because they don't want to be

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Speaker 1: Armstrong, that's the name that gets brought.

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Speaker 2: Up right now, And Tatis is the other one.

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Speaker 2: as much, right, because he's turned into something that last

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Speaker 2: year you watched him play. Last year, he wasn't what

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Speaker 1: No, you were like, hey, this is a this is

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Speaker 2: But now he's turned into a.

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Speaker 1: Star, superstar.

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Speaker 2: So people, that's why they're so These gms are so hesitant.

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Speaker 1: They're so scared because they don't want to be that

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Speaker 1: don't want to be that guy Kratz that gave up

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Speaker 1: Labor Torres for all this Chapman and changed Chicago baseball

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Speaker 3: I'll do it every time. Who named me a player

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Speaker 3: big leagues, Ken Griffy Junior. If it wins me a

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Speaker 3: World Series, I'm giving Ken Griffy Junior up.

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Speaker 3: Like I know, I know that might not be an

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Speaker 3: You can't guarantee it.

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Speaker 2: I get that.

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Speaker 3: But if you feel like there's a player out there

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Speaker 2: Win or you don't win, because you gave it everything

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Speaker 1: Here's the problem. Some people will clip what Crats just

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Speaker 2: I agreed, But my question is how many of those

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Speaker 2: because most of the time, those guys get pushed through

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Speaker 2: I don't want to give up? Was it? Owen Cassie,

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Speaker 2: talking about him being this great player. He's strong right now,

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Speaker 1: Who didn't have pop.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: The pop came this year, literally this year. Jed Hoyer

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Speaker 1: That's a real thing. And PCA is like, nah, I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's become a man now, like not everybody

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Speaker 3: different team. Like you had a chance to upgrade your team,

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Speaker 3: they did it. And the guys that they got rid of,

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Speaker 3: I think there was one more player that was named later.

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Speaker 3: But like the guys that got rid of I think

436
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Speaker 3: they all made the big leagues, but they were not

437
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Speaker 3: big impact players. The way the hun under Pence was

438
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Speaker 3: for that twenty eleven team.

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Speaker 1: Derek Cole trade Joe Musgrove, who didn't shine until he

440
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Speaker 1: went to the Padres, Michael Felise, Colin Moran, who I

441
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Speaker 1: think was the biggest name at the time in that deal.

442
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Speaker 1: Former first round pick and outfielder Jason Martin had that.

443
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Speaker 3: Joe Muskrove was the biggest. He was a bullpen guy

444
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Speaker 3: and he went to the Pirates and became a starter.

445
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Speaker 3: Like he was the biggest successful name at the time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, the Padres franchise, He's not a franchise like Garrett

447
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Speaker 2: Cole is. Garrett Cole literally has changed changed the Yankees.

448
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Speaker 1: How about how about Wan Sota? Sorry, really fresh Juan Soto?

449
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Speaker 1: Which is Juan Soto top five player in the sport

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Speaker 1: even at the time, multiple years of control. That's looked

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Speaker 1: at as an absolute prize deal for the Nationals. Where

452
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Speaker 1: are the Padres now? Where the Nationals now? Again, We're

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Speaker 1: not saying, oh, just be reckless, guys, James would. I'm

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Speaker 1: saying it was a huge uge hall But then that's

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Speaker 1: that's all they have. That's all they have.

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Speaker 2: That's the three players they have that are I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: be reckless.

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Speaker 1: J's are still fired and they ended up flipping him

459
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Speaker 1: and getting other guys back. So yes, I agree with you,

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Speaker 1: be controlled reckless. Right, Okay, I'm just throwing that out there.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to see some aggressiveness. We'll see what you

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Speaker 1: look at.

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Speaker 2: The Dodgers are still proting O'Neil Cruz in Watson.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they traded away O'Neil Cruz, they traded away Jordon Alvarez.

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Speaker 1: They won a World Series last year and they've been

466
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Speaker 1: good every year.

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Speaker 2: They haven't missed though, they haven't missed those guys. O'Neil

468
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Speaker 2: Cruz is a nice player, but he's not I mean,

469
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Speaker 2: he didn't fit on the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: They have Mookie Betts they have and yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, and then the other one that Jordon Alvarro is like, yeah,

472
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Speaker 2: he would have been nice. But what did they get

473
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Speaker 2: to What did they get.

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Speaker 1: For Jordon alvros Fields, Josh Fields. They missed but miss

475
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Speaker 1: You gotta make some deal.

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Speaker 2: It's the time. They didn't care because they were trying

477
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Speaker 2: to get to the World Series and win it. So

478
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Speaker 2: they didn't care. That's what you have to understand. That's

479
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Speaker 2: why listen. I mean, and Jordon has been great when

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Speaker 2: he's healthy, but he hasn't been healthy for like two

481
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Speaker 2: years now. Yeah, he's a star when he's That's what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, car, but they have a DH they're in good

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Speaker 1: shape there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah they have Otani.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, worked out for him. I just want to see

487
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Speaker 1: more aggressive, so we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Krats.

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Speaker 1: If I'm new to card collecting and I'm looking for

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Speaker 1: the safest, most trusted way in the game to acquire

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Speaker 1: cards or to buy a card, but not go through

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Speaker 1: a ton of work where I'm going to the shows,

493
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Speaker 1: I'm going online doing auctions. I want it all in

494
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Speaker 1: one place. I'm going to Arina Club.

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Speaker 3: It's all one place. You know you're getting a good price,

496
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Speaker 3: whether you're buying it or you're selling cards. If you're

497
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Speaker 3: new to it, you don't want all the other crappy cards.

498
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Speaker 3: You can get the ones that you want, you can

499
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Speaker 3: start your collection and if you get them on to

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Speaker 3: Rita Club, your collection will look a bouse.

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Speaker 1: That's right, And may I mention they also have poke

502
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Speaker 1: cards and those slab packs that we talk about every

503
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Speaker 1: week you can rip a pack for as low as

504
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Speaker 1: twenty five dollars and hit on a card that's worth

505
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Speaker 1: tens of thousands of dollars because every pack has grails

506
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Speaker 1: that are at least twenty x the price of the pack.

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Speaker 1: So get involved at arenaclub dot com slash vul use

508
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Speaker 1: the code foul to get twenty percent off your first

509
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Speaker 1: slab pack or card purchase. The freshest trade is Austin Slater,

510
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Speaker 1: who does thrive against left handed pitching. Moving from the

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Speaker 1: White Sox to the Yankees, you presume that the Yankees

512
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Speaker 1: now picked up Amed Rosario to fill in on days

513
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Speaker 1: where they're facing tough lefties, and they sit Ryan McMahon.

514
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Speaker 1: Same story here with Slater taking over in left field

515
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Speaker 1: for Jason di Mingez against left handed pitching.

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Speaker 2: Also, is this signal that maybe, well, Carol was right

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Speaker 2: about Judge being out a little bit longer than we thought,

518
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Speaker 2: because you could also fill in and let Stanton dh right.

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Speaker 1: Hm, I don't know, it's not a bad thought.

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Speaker 3: Spot on, aj spot on, and you got and you

521
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Speaker 3: have to build your bench differently. If g is gonna

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Speaker 3: be in right field, you might only get two at

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Speaker 3: bats out of him. You might only get even three

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Speaker 3: at bats, and you sit there and you go, we

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Speaker 3: gotta put someone in there. Maybe we don't want this

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Speaker 3: guy hitting yet. Now we have Domingas who struggles right handed,

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Speaker 3: but he does well left handed. Aaron Boone's gonna earn

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Speaker 3: his salary these last two months. If they have to

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Speaker 3: build the roster like.

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Speaker 1: This, we'll put two in action going on with the Yanks.

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Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see. It's an interesting trade, Dovian. I mean,

532
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Speaker 2: the White Sox got a what their eighteenth prospect, a

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Speaker 2: twenty two year old kid.

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Speaker 1: Enable you're just looking to stack up as many lottery

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Speaker 1: tickets as possible if you're the White Sox.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: They sat Houser today, who was supposed to start, because

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Speaker 1: they're gonna trade him. I'll rip through some questions right now.

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Speaker 1: Casey said, what about Chris Sale? Anyone looking for a

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Speaker 1: legit as haven't heard him talked about not getting traded,

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Speaker 1: signed for next year, signed for next year next year. Yeah. Also,

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Speaker 1: I don't think the rehabs moving too faster him right now.

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Speaker 1: And I don't blame the Braves rush him.

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Speaker 2: They're not gonna They're not gonna win anything this year

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Speaker 2: except the worst, one of the most disappointing seasons of

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Speaker 2: all time.

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Speaker 1: HM Doc said, chances of Stephen Kwan getting dealt I'll

548
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Speaker 1: go fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 2: I would say under that, I think they keep him

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Speaker 2: for next year because I think Stephen Vote says, I

551
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Speaker 2: got to have somebody to play for me next year.

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Speaker 1: He's a star.

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Speaker 2: He's a great player, really good player. Him and Ramirez

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Speaker 2: at the top of the order. They have to find

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Speaker 2: some other pieces, but those two are a great star

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Speaker 2: for any team. Steven Vote doesn't want to start over.

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Speaker 1: I think some teams recognize that he's probably an even

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Speaker 1: more important player for October. Elite defense, great Bess Runner

559
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Speaker 1: high baseball, IQ makes contact, has a little more pop

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Speaker 1: than he used to. I mean, that is a complete player,

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Speaker 1: and it gives you variety. And what changes in October

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Speaker 1: the pitching. The pitching titans up so you don't face

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Speaker 1: the crap, and no one's crap in the big leagues.

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Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying, you face the best

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Speaker 1: of the best in October. So I think that's a

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Speaker 1: big deal. But what would you put it at thirty percent?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say.

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Speaker 1: Also, all the other gms love to stay out. Cleveland's

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Speaker 1: so difficult to work with that trades.

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Speaker 2: Every GM is so hard to work with every GM.

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Speaker 1: The most significant trade in the past twenty four hours,

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Speaker 1: as we're digging in the weeds, is Sir Anthony de

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Speaker 1: Mingez moving over to the Toronto Blue Jays, literally moving

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Speaker 1: over clubhouse to clubhouse. And then he pitched in game

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Speaker 1: two of the doubleheader. The trade goes down and they're

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Speaker 1: able to use him against his former club. It was

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Speaker 1: full of fun and awkwardness and he had a nice inting,

578
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Speaker 1: nice little scoreless outing for a Blue Jays team that

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Speaker 1: it's to get it together. Doubleheader sweep pulled off by

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Speaker 1: the Ools who are having fun one last ride with

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Speaker 1: their team until a bunch of their players get dealt.

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Speaker 1: And he wasn't the only one with the easy commute.

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Speaker 1: Jake Rill reporting how the prospect that moved knock Jeron

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Speaker 1: wats Brown they switching clubhouses in the minors because the

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Speaker 1: Double a New Hampshire team that's Toronto's affiliate, was playing

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Speaker 1: the double HSAPEAKEE team.

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Speaker 2: That's why much harder because he's in the minor leagues.

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Speaker 2: He's got to go back to New Hampshire and get

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Speaker 2: his jump. They didn't go back to Booie like. I

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Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe they'll maybe the Oriols will pay for

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Speaker 2: him to fly up there or something and drive back

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Speaker 2: or flying back. I don't know on an off day.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, Sir Anthony Domingo is he can get

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Speaker 2: someone just to send his stuff. You know, the Orioles

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Speaker 2: will just pack his stuff. You can get a clubhouse,

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Speaker 2: got to pack your stuff up and send it or

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Speaker 2: drive it up there. That's much easier than what just

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Speaker 2: happened to the minor league guy.

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Speaker 1: What do we think about the Blue Jays getting Sir

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Speaker 1: Anthony Dimingez and Dafang Chad Green who wasn't having a

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Speaker 1: great year. Blue Jay's trying to shore up the bullpen

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, this is a guy that

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Speaker 1: you can put into a big scenario in a big

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Speaker 1: game and in the playoffs. That's what you want. You

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Speaker 1: want to keep accumulating the circle of trust.

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Speaker 2: It's a nice move. But if they don't start beating

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Speaker 2: the Orioles, it's talking about it because they might get

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Speaker 2: swept in a four game series.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're still up for I know, I'm still like.

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Speaker 2: They were so hot and then to come in and

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Speaker 2: have this happen is is disappointing for the for the

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Speaker 2: Blue Jays for sure. I mean people keep saying it though.

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Speaker 2: Right now the most important trade in all of baseball

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Speaker 2: has been one that not a lot of people are

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Speaker 2: talking about. Savale for Andrew Vaughn, who's been absolutely on fire.

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Speaker 2: So he went to the Brew Crew.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes those little moves go a long way. Will Salmon

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Speaker 1: and Mitch Mannon, who both report for the Athletics, say

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Speaker 1: that the Blue Jays are now looking for a swingman

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Speaker 1: type reliever and another high leverage arm.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, them and every other team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone wants a highlight average reliever. There are a

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Speaker 1: lot available. I think they'll get one because I think

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Speaker 1: they're more along the lines of doing something crazy crazy

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Speaker 1: for GM terms.

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Speaker 2: Like a top ten prospect, Like that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: How dare they? But I do think that they're more

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Speaker 1: willing to do that because they recognize the window that

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Speaker 1: they're in American leagues wide open. Yeah, who's the best

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Speaker 1: team in the American League exactly?

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Speaker 2: You want to say the Tigers, but they've been god

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Speaker 2: awful for about two weeks now. Blue Jays. You want

633
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Speaker 2: to say, but if they get spent by the Whorls,

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Speaker 2: can you say that? I don't know, krats your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean recency bias. Didn't just dim just teach us

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Speaker 3: about recency bias? Shouldn't we take all that stuff out

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Speaker 3: of the off the table? I still say it's I

639
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Speaker 3: still say it has to be the Tigers. I still

640
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Speaker 3: say they have to be the best team. But man,

641
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: the Astros are like, well, why does nobody really think

642
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 3: we're good? Like we're about to get Jeremy Panna back.

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Speaker 3: We think we're getting yor Don Alvarez back. Like, to me,

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Speaker 3: the Astros are in that conversation, I get it. The

645
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Speaker 3: Blue Jays had the best record in baseball for a minute,

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Speaker 3: But recency bias, no slug, there's a lot of just

647
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Speaker 3: the American leagues just not as good as the National League.

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Speaker 1: What would you like to see the Jays do.

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Speaker 2: That? High reliever?

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Speaker 3: I mean that that to me, I think they need

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Speaker 3: they need slug And I say that, but I also say, man,

652
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Speaker 3: like they're doubling down and then they're tripling down this offseason,

653
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Speaker 3: getting getting defense, like they went and got Andre Semenez

654
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Speaker 3: people are like, why would they want that contract, Like

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Speaker 3: it's you know, he doesn't hit that much. They're like,

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Speaker 3: it's tough to hit in this stadium. To me, I'd

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Speaker 3: love to see them get some kind of slug and

658
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Speaker 3: a high leverage reliever. I think if you're going to

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Speaker 3: take a chance on anything, take the chance that Eric

660
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Speaker 3: Lawer is going to continue to do what he's doing.

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Speaker 3: He's probably not going to be one of your starters

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Speaker 3: in the playoffs, so it's fine. I think he's going

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Speaker 3: to help you make it. And that Surezer is a

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Speaker 3: veteran and he knows when he's good and when he's

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Speaker 3: not good. So I feel like you got to trust

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Speaker 3: that and not waste the chance to get something other

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Speaker 3: pieces by just adding to your starting rotation. But I

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Speaker 3: know a lot of people are writing that they want

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Speaker 3: that swing guy, that starter slash reliever guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I'll give you two tweets here, One from

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Speaker 1: Mitch Bannon, who's covering the team for the Athletic. He said,

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Speaker 1: some Jay's trade thoughts. Sir Anthony de Mangez can fill

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Speaker 1: the Yimi Garcia role perfectly for the next few months.

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Speaker 1: If Garcia comes back too great and then he was

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Speaker 1: talking about the prospect on the other side, big pitching development.

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Speaker 1: Win took a step in twenty five with an attack

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Speaker 1: mentality and new kick change. But trade helps the Jays

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Speaker 1: get better today. Well that's the point, is that you

679
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Speaker 1: can grow prospects like this if you've got a good

680
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: pitching development program, and that can turn into trade assets.

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Speaker 1: Some of them come up, and some of them obviously

682
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Speaker 1: turned into this and then last point Mark Finesand even

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Speaker 1: with the Dominge's acquisition, the Blue Jays remained firmly in

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Speaker 1: the hunt for Cardinals closer Ryan Helsley. That'd be a great.

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Speaker 2: Pickup for Toronto.

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Speaker 1: I'd be a great pickup. And for me, if I'm Toronto,

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Speaker 1: I'm less concerned about grabbing a reliever who have years

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Speaker 1: of control. Of Sure, that'd be great. Yeah, it's right now,

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Speaker 1: So go your rental and let's play ball.

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Speaker 2: As Atkins and Shapiro, they know that they're full go

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Speaker 2: right now, full go.

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Speaker 1: I don't care about three year reliever.

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Speaker 2: I want what might be gone at the end of

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Speaker 2: the year. They could lose some other guys, so I

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Speaker 2: mean it's full go right now.

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Speaker 1: Angels acquiring left handed reliever Andrew Chaffin from the Washington Nationals.

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Speaker 1: So does that mean the Nationals or excuse me, the

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Speaker 1: Angels are in by mode and they're shutting down the

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Speaker 1: Taylor war Tyler Anderson, Kenley Jansen, Luis ran Hifo kind

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Speaker 1: of conversations.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the Angels are doing this this,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what they're doing. What are they doing?

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Speaker 1: Who's their owner?

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Speaker 2: Didn't they do this last? Was it two years ago

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Speaker 2: with Gilito and years ago a d f A. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: right before that, they put them on waivers or whatever,

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Speaker 2: right before the end of September so it wouldn't go

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Speaker 2: against their salary luxury cap tax thing. Like, I don't

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Speaker 2: know what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: They also got Luis Garcia in this deal and they

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Speaker 1: give out Jake Edar and Sam Brown prospects.

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Speaker 2: Cool. Cool, I mean I don't know, Like, I don't

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Speaker 2: know what they're doing. The five games, okay, they they're

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Speaker 2: pushing their chip in. Sorry, they're four games out behind Royals, Guardians, Rays,

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Speaker 2: and Rangers. Are they better than any of those teams

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Speaker 2: above them?

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Speaker 1: They might be if the Guardians and the Race.

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Speaker 2: Sell, okay, but they still have the.

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Speaker 1: Royals maybe one team falls off.

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Speaker 2: Rangers, Mariners, Red Sox Yankees, Red Sox, Marriners, they better

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Speaker 2: knowse three.

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Speaker 1: The problem is you're not dealing with someone who knows

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Speaker 1: ball that well. The owner is in charge and he

724
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Speaker 1: likes to do whatever the heck he wants. It's a

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Speaker 1: unique situation there. I'm gonna bring up something from some

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Speaker 1: people in the chat. They're like, hey, you guys criticize

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00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: the Angels sometimes. Do you want them to buy or

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Speaker 1: do you want them to sell? I don't want them

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Speaker 1: to buy it, but.

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Speaker 2: I want them to buy. Like, if they're gonna buy,

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Speaker 2: they gotta buy at all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not Chaffin and Chaffin and Luis Garcia. That's nice

733
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Speaker 1: bullpen depth, but that's not going to win the right

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Speaker 1: And for me, I don't even have those expectations for them.

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Speaker 1: Teams have different expectations for the Angels. I think we

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Speaker 1: all agree that if they even sniff the wildcard series,

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Speaker 1: if they make the playoffs, this season is a roaring success.

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Speaker 1: They were almost a one hundred lost team last year.

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Speaker 1: They haven't been to the playoffs in forever, so if

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Speaker 1: they even sniffed the playoffs, I can even make a

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Speaker 1: case that if we get to the final week or

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Speaker 1: so of the season and they're in the hunt. That

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Speaker 1: would be a roaring success. That's why I think I'm

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Speaker 1: okay with the Angels saying, you know what, there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of teams selling in the American League. Let's

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Speaker 1: be one of the teams that tries to push chips in.

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Speaker 1: But if you're gonna do that, then let's see you

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Speaker 1: do something. Is that your point?

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, And that's not a knock on Chafin or Garcia. No,

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Speaker 2: But it's just like, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong

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Speaker 2: in this, but that doesn't move the needle for me.

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00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: Like I want a needle mover whatever that is, a

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Speaker 2: bad reliever, whatever that is. I want something that, you know,

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Speaker 2: a top frontline starter, because they haven't had those guys.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 2: If they're on.

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Speaker 3: Al Contra, what if Arty Moreno says I'm never going

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Speaker 3: to spend in free agency for a good starting pitcher,

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Speaker 3: and Perrimanagian's like, I'll fix you, Alredy, I'll go get

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Speaker 3: my starting pitcher from another team, just saying it's somebody

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Speaker 3: that because they want this team to win. To me,

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Speaker 3: that would be a great move. So fans are like well,

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Speaker 3: what do you want him to do? That would be

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Speaker 3: a great move because he would be around for next year.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of a gamble, I get it, but you

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Speaker 3: gotta got a gamble. When your owner's kind of a

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00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 3: loose cannon with how he spends his money, you got

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Speaker 3: to go out and spend it on good stuff. And

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Speaker 3: I think our contract could be good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an interesting If they could do what the

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Speaker 2: Padres do with Sodo, trade for him and if it

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Speaker 2: doesn't work, if it works out and they're not good

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Speaker 2: next year, turn it around and get another package back

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Speaker 2: for him.

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Speaker 1: I could not agree more.

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Speaker 2: I mean, by the way, please subscribe for your watching

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be nice. I know there's about fifteen

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Speaker 1: hundred live watching right now. But yeah, Kikuchi good, Jose

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Speaker 1: Soriano good, Kyler Anderson's pretty solid, Kyle Hendricks actually having

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Speaker 1: a decent year. Give me Sandy in that rotation.

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Speaker 2: Yea changes things.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. There are multiple options there, there's Sandy.

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Speaker 1: There's the point here is that if you're the Angels

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Speaker 1: and you want to buy, buying a long term piece

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Speaker 1: Hayman Injury Wrecked First Place. Astros have enquired about former

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Speaker 1: star Carlos Korea. Astros have been preferring a lefty hitting infielder,

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Speaker 1: but they do love Korea, who's a righty bat. So

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Speaker 1: do the Twins. But they're also in cell mode now. Now,

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Speaker 1: Kara has been pretty vocal about how he likes being

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota. There have been reports since this one from

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Speaker 1: I believe Bob Nightingale saying that Korea told teammates A

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Speaker 1: he'd waive the no trade clause B he'd be down

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Speaker 1: for third base. Okay, now we're talking, but let me

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Speaker 1: p this part. Let's say the Twins eat half the contract.

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Speaker 1: He's got twelve million left this year and then about

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Speaker 1: I think ninety three million over three seasons. He's got

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Speaker 1: chronic injury issues and he's struggling this year, he's about

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Speaker 1: a zero war player Baseball Reference. Now, do I think

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Speaker 1: he'd be better the last couple months if he's healthy, Yes,

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Speaker 1: But is that who you want to push your chips

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Speaker 1: in for just because the reunion sounds good? Like, do

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Speaker 1: you believe that Kraa can kind of be revitalized here

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Speaker 1: for the rest of the season and help the Astros

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Speaker 1: in their chase for a World Series? Trying to evaluate

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Speaker 1: the player because right now, if you look at the

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Speaker 1: stats that front offices look at, it's been a really

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Speaker 1: tough year, even fielding wise. I mean, he's had some

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Speaker 1: great seasons. His range out above average is twenty six

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Speaker 1: percentile negative two right now. So I want to make

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Speaker 1: sure that he's okay. That's why he had issues getting

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Speaker 1: the long term contract in the first place, because of

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Speaker 1: chronic injury issues.

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Speaker 2: I can't see him trading him. I just can't.

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Speaker 1: You don't see it.

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Speaker 2: I just don't see it. I mean, would the Twins

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00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 2: probably like to do that, probably, but they not what

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Speaker 2: the money owed, and I mean they'd have to eat

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00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: a lot of the money if they want to get

848
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 2: anything back in return for him. And I don't see

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00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: the Astros making that move. I just don't think that's

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00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 2: the move that's gonna get them over the top. Nothing

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00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: against Carlos Korea, but Paya comes back, Parades comes back.

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Speaker 2: Where does Korea play? You think he's gonna be happy?

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Speaker 2: But doing that? Well?

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Speaker 1: Ray is gonna play third, and then Rady's the second.

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Speaker 2: Yeah's gonna I don't know the Kara will be okay

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Speaker 2: with Do you think Karreyo will be okay with that?

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Speaker 2: After having knowing Karrea a little bit Kratz? I mean

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Speaker 2: the way he playing third, Yeah, the way he's talked

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Speaker 2: about being the leader in the infield and all that,

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Speaker 2: you think he'd be okay with that? I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I do okay, I don't know. I'm just asking. I'm

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00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: not saying he will or won't. I'm just asking.

863
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 3: I think if you asked him a year and a

864
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 3: half ago to go join like a super team and

865
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 3: play third, he'd be like what No. I think maybe

866
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: he re evaluates it right now. I think I think

867
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 3: that dude, all the stuff he does, he doesn't to

868
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 3: want to win, so to me, I think I think

869
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 3: he does. And maybe he says, hey, does that lack

870
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 3: of range? Is that lack above?

871
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 2: You know?

872
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 3: Outs above average improve at third base. He's seen a

873
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 3: lot of his counterparts go to third base and have

874
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 3: successful careers.

875
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a different turn on this one. Whatever

876
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: he says, he says, I think at this very moment

877
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: he wants out of Minnesota. I think the Aftros would

878
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: be a great landing spot. He's comfortable there, they're competing.

879
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: There's probably a few other teams he'd be interested in

880
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: joining as well. I just think it's very complicated to

881
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: get a trade like this done in twenty four hours.

882
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: These trades are difficult. These are usually off season trades.

883
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: There's a lot of talk about how much money gets

884
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: eat up or eating up. In my mind, you're on

885
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: a Minnesota team right now that is not able to

886
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: do much in the transaction fold over the past few years.

887
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: This is real business. They are for sale. There's only

888
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: so much that they can do. They can clear books,

889
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: they can't really add to the books because it affects

890
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 1: the sale price. We've talked about this. So if I'm

891
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: Carlos Korea and I'm late in my career and all

892
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: he cares about, like we've talked about, is winning, and

893
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: this dude does nothing but Baseball twenty four to seven.

894
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: I think he wants to play for a contender right now.

895
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 2: If Minnesota was going to be that team when he's

896
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: signed there, that's why he signed there.

897
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: But they're not right now. It lied to the next

898
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: few years. They're probably not going to be because they're

899
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: going through a sale process. I think he wants to

900
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: do I.

901
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: Don't think he gets traded, but I think he's pissed.

902
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: I agree with you, Scott.

903
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 3: I don't think he gets traded just because I don't

904
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 3: think it's I think it'd be tough. But they lied

905
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 3: to him. Of course he wants out. I had a

906
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 3: hard time believe me. He doesn't want out. Fyron Buckston,

907
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 3: he said he doesn't want out.

908
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: He likes it.

909
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 3: Commendable to him. But they lied to Carlos Correa. They

910
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 3: told him, yes, we're gonna spend more. It's not just

911
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 3: gonna be you, and he said, I'm on board.

912
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 2: Let's do it.

913
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: Actually a similar age too. I thought Buxton was younger,

914
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 1: but Corey is thirty only thirty.

915
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 2: Maybe I mean you come up pretty young. Makes sense?

916
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Buckston's thirty one. Cray is almost thirty one.

917
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: In September and Buxton's turning thirty two in December.

918
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 2: Dam reading find each other, weren't they? Yeah?

919
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: I think yeah so. But Buckston wants to stay. I

920
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: think Corey is down to go. Let's talk Twins closer.

921
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: Duran's having a great year. Sell high.

922
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can always find relievers. I can find reliever

923
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 2: after reliever after reliever.

924
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 1: On the contender side. He can win you a World Series.

925
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 2: Here's the way I look at closers. Can I picture

926
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: him if we get to the World Series, being on

927
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 2: the mound to close the game seven out the world

928
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: as chairmans? He that guy for the Cubs. Yes, absolutely,

929
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: trade I'm talking about guys that were traded during the season.

930
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: Can you see Joan Duran on the mound with the

931
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: light show going off the seventh innings, ninth inning of

932
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: Game seven of a World Series? Can he close it out?

933
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: Is that something you would like if you're a contending team. No. Absolutely,

934
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 2: So That's the way I look at closers. When these

935
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: trades are made, if they're going to stay as closers.

936
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: Mark Finzan saying a few minutes ago, sources say, quote

937
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: things are moving on Duran. Twins could move their closer

938
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: today Any team wants him. Any team that's in a

939
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: playoff race wants him.

940
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 3: They're not waiting around. They're not waiting around. I think

941
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 3: he's He's a perfect fit for any team that needs

942
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 3: a closer. I think the teams that are have a

943
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 3: solidified closer probably won't bid as high.

944
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: And he's probably the best one on the market. Would

945
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: you agree with that?

946
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you want him? Do you want him? Or Hellsley?

947
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: Asking either of you guys you want him? Even though Hellsley,

948
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 3: I think he's more of a strikeout guy, more strikeouts.

949
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 3: Duran's more of a weak contact.

950
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: Guy this year, though they're pretty much in the same realm,

951
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: are they? Because Helsley's down a little this year. Last

952
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: year he was ridiculous. And remember, relief pitching is about

953
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: the hot hand. Relievers are volatile. Helsley's great. When I say, oh,

954
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: I want Duran over Helsley, it's not like I'm saying, oh,

955
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: I don't want Helsley. I think there are five to

956
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: seven relievers that are available that I feel really comfortable

957
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: about pitching seven, d eight, or ninth inning in a

958
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: playoff game. For me, Helsley's on that list. Duran's just

959
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: a little bit higher. For me, I think the stuff

960
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: is a little better and more unique. And yes, strikeout

961
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: numbers this year, Ryan Helsley thirty six innings, forty one

962
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: K's Duran forty nine in the third innings. It's a

963
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: lot already fifty three case, so they're in basically the

964
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: same spot with their k rate. Duran's got a two

965
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: to one ERA, Helsley's got a three to double oh era.

966
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: They're both great. One is going to cost way more.

967
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: Duran is going to cost way more because of the

968
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: team control. He's got two years left after this, and

969
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: keep in mind, or is it two years left after

970
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: this or one year left after this? I'll double check that,

971
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: but either way, this is multiple years of control of

972
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: a guy who could close out a world series for you.

973
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: So that stands out to me. Why who do you think, Kratz?

974
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: Do you prefer Hellsley this year in October? Because for me,

975
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: I mean, they both would be great options. If a

976
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: contender gets one of them, you should be flipping out

977
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: in happiness. If you're a fan.

978
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: It's two years more control of Duran and after this

979
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 2: I'd take it.

980
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, he's free agent after twenty seven, although I

981
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: remember twenty twenty seven might be a little wonky season

982
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: because we're going to have a lockout.

983
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 3: But anyway, you're looking to win today's World Series and

984
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 3: tomorrow's World Series, not twenty twenty sevens. But yes, I

985
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 3: hear what you're saying right now, I take Duren. But

986
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 3: the reason I asked was because last year you would

987
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 3: have said the opposite, Hellsley was more on fire. This offseason,

988
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 3: you would have taken Hellsley over Duran, even with the

989
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 3: even with the years of control, it cost you less

990
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 3: and Helsley was coming off of a banger year. Duran

991
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 3: that splinker, He's like one of the original splinker guys.

992
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 3: I think that plays in the playoffs, that splitter when

993
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 3: guys are trying to catch up to one hundred and

994
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 3: two hundred and three, I think it plays. There's a

995
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 3: little uptick in his strikeouts this year, and who knows,

996
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 3: maybe he goes to a team that really knows, Hey,

997
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 3: you know what we're gonna We're gonna unlock that strikeout

998
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 3: potential and it might be overuse of a certain pitch

999
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 3: more than what the Twins were doing.

1000
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and for Duran, last year was a little bit

1001
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: of a blitz for him. He had a late start.

1002
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: Year before.

1003
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: Twenty three he was ridiculous exactly, and he was still

1004
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: good last year. He just he had a slow start.

1005
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: I'm looking back to some of the articles. He had

1006
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: mechanical issues since spring training. They found an issue in May,

1007
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: and then also he was critical this spring training about

1008
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: his conditioning last year. He said he was on a

1009
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: plan in twenty twenty three, and then he changed it

1010
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: the next year, changed back this year. Whatever, he's good,

1011
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 1: he's very damn good. All right, let's throw another rumor

1012
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: on the screen and react to it. Adrian Hawser scratched

1013
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: from his start today for the White Sox, hasn't been

1014
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: traded yet, this according to John Hammond, but they're holding

1015
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: out in anticipation of a deal by six o'clock Eastern

1016
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: time tomorrow. Makes total sense, easy pick up for them,

1017
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: having a really solid year, rotation filler for a team.

1018
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: He's not going to start a playoff game, even though

1019
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: he's having a really nice year.

1020
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 2: Really a seven game series. He could be a fourth option, okay, right,

1021
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 2: I mean he's having a nice year, especially since all right,

1022
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: he's a fourth year. If you're the Astros, and you

1023
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 2: can get ce Sanhauser and you go fromber Hunter Brown

1024
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: sees Houser. It's not the worst thing in the world

1025
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 2: coming back.

1026
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know.

1027
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: I'm just doing I'm just throwing a random team out there.

1028
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 3: I'm going Blue Jays. I'm going Blue Jays. They need

1029
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 3: they don't really need a starter, and yet everyone's linking

1030
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 3: them to starters. So you're sitting there going, Okay, it's

1031
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 3: somebody that can eat innings. To me, I think I've

1032
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 3: always felt like House was a guy because he came

1033
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 3: up when I was with the Brewers. He was a

1034
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 3: dude that threw up on the mound the day they

1035
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 3: called him up to the big leagues. But to me,

1036
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 3: he was he was a huge I thought he'd be

1037
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 3: a great San Francisco Giant. Puts the ball in play,

1038
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 3: not a lot of homers. And you see what happens

1039
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 3: this year. You know, he changes his diet a little bit.

1040
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 3: He's having a great year, but the Giants are out

1041
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 3: of it. So in my opinion, I don't think, you know,

1042
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 3: I don't see him, but he's I think a blue Jay,

1043
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 3: kind of like a fourth or fifth starter type of

1044
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 3: role for him, and he has pitch out of the

1045
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 3: pen a little bit.

1046
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: I like all that everything you said. What about Luis Robert?

1047
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: Latest rumors flying around? Last night, Mark fine Ten reported

1048
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: that the Mets have been one of the more aggressive

1049
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 1: teams in pursuit of Robert, and fine Ten said, Luisan

1050
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: Helacuna is at least one name that's been brought up

1051
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: in trade discussions. I think the White Sox would do

1052
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: that pretty quickly. No, you're gonna get a major league

1053
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: player now, is Luis and Helocunya gonna be a start? No,

1054
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: but I think he's gonna be in the league for

1055
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: a while as a nice super utility player.

1056
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jim Jim said the other day he said, I

1057
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 3: would put him on the Phillies and put him right

1058
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 3: in between Bryce Harper and Kyle Schwarver's locker. Obviously, I

1059
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 3: don't know their clubhouse. I don't know the Mets clubhouse.

1060
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 3: If I'm looking from Afar, I think Luise Robert fits

1061
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 3: more on the Mets, and you put him in between

1062
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 3: two Latin players who say, this is what our goal

1063
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 3: is here, this is how we're gonna win. It's not

1064
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 3: a it's not anything about Arber or Harper, it's how

1065
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 3: do you get the most out of this guy and

1066
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 3: say we need you to show up every single day.

1067
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 3: So and I'm not sure who that is for the Mets,

1068
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 3: but whatever it is, I completely agreed with Jim, just

1069
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 3: maybe not with the Phillies and more with the Mets

1070
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 3: because the guy's still stealing bases. Like, yes, he's hitting

1071
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 3: whatever he's hitting, but he's still stealing basis. He will

1072
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 3: add value to a team, just not the twenty twenty

1073
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 3: three All Star value.

1074
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: I think you can catch lightning in a bottle with him.

1075
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 1: And that's why they're getting a ton of phone calls.

1076
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: And so the White Socks are like, oh, we're getting

1077
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: a lot of calls, then we should get a higher

1078
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: level prospect. And then he's just like, whoa, whoa what

1079
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: We're interested, But.

1080
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, calls doesn't mean you get more for him. Yeah,

1081
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 2: for the same thing.

1082
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he's an elite defender to Crats, which will

1083
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: help them a lot. He'll be a center field to

1084
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: upgrade for the.

1085
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: Two months.

1086
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 1: Give me two months and put him next to Lindor Soto,

1087
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: Starling Marte. It will make it difference. Those are winning players. Harper, Well,

1088
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: he just said I mean there there is a Latin

1089
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: player component. I am actually in between.

1090
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: Okay, so just you're talking about the Latin player component. Yeah,

1091
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 2: well when they had a bray you, Jimenez Moncata different,

1092
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 2: what happened? What happened when a bra You left.

1093
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: I'm just saying like that, that's what happened when a

1094
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: Braid left.

1095
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not arguing. I'm just saying how it's

1096
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 2: the component. And they had a manager and the manager

1097
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 2: too that come on, stop, I won't even start with that.

1098
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 2: But managers from Puerto Rico isn't from Puerto Rico. Pedro

1099
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 2: Garfall from Miami, He's he's of Latin descent.

1100
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 3: Yes, bad, bad, higher, that's it to me. Luis Robert

1101
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 3: was on a playoff team. He knew what the playoffs

1102
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 3: look like when they had the blackout at Comiskey Park,

1103
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 3: when they had the blackout at rape Field in Chicago.

1104
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 2: Like, he knows what the playoffs looks like. Does he

1105
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 2: want that? I don't know.

1106
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 3: That's that's whatever he like. It's his choice. He is

1107
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 3: a guy that needs to make the choice. I want

1108
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 3: to be an everyday player. And I'm not saying, Jose

1109
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 3: Bray you was that to him. But if somebody like

1110
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 3: that has a you know, is swaying on the fence

1111
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 3: and says, I don't know which way I want to go,

1112
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 3: Like my caff has banged up a little bit, do

1113
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 3: I want to play? And Jose Bray is out there

1114
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 3: as the as one Latin player told me, the godfather

1115
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 3: of the Latin players with the White Sox, and he's

1116
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 3: out there playing every single day at first base. Luis

1117
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 3: Roberts looking over and Jose goes, come on, puppy, we're

1118
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 3: going out there. We're gonna go play. Then you go play.

1119
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 3: That's what happens in the clubhouse. That's what happens in

1120
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 3: the clubhouse. Guys make It's not just Latin players, it's

1121
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 3: American players. I saw a guy get traded over to

1122
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 3: a team I played on that had a superstar that

1123
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 3: wouldn't play entire games. This dude was like, I'm not

1124
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 3: coming out in the seventh and the superstar was like,

1125
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 3: I'm not coming out either. We needed him coming down

1126
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 3: to stretch. So it's something that it it fluctuated flows

1127
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,439
Speaker 3: through the team when you have guys that other guys

1128
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 3: look at and don't want to be shown up or

1129
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 3: that don't want to that that want to follow somebody

1130
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:26,439
Speaker 3: and like they get on board.

1131
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 2: So to me, Luis Roberts, there he's that guy. He

1132
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: can be that guy. Who are the players?

1133
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 3: I don't know the players, Christian Yelich, Ryan Braun. Okay, boom,

1134
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 3: there you go, there you go? Okay, great Yelly is

1135
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 3: that yelly? Yelly is very He's not a very He's

1136
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,919
Speaker 3: not a very loud leader. He's a very quiet leader.

1137
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 3: This dude would play every day. Lorenzo Caine plays every day.

1138
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 3: They would bust on Brownie all the time, and all

1139
00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 3: of a sudden, Brownie's.

1140
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 2: Like, Noah, screw that, we need it. I want to

1141
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 2: be out there.

1142
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 3: Guess who hits two homers against the Tigers at the

1143
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 3: end of the season, just.

1144
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 2: To add to his Brewer's lore.

1145
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 3: Like that kind of stuff pushes locker rooms to the

1146
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 3: next level, gets the most out of players, and it's awesome.

1147
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 3: Ryan Braun was dealing with stuff with his back that

1148
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 3: like maybe he shouldn't have been out there all nine innings,

1149
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 3: but this dude pushed it. And I also think it

1150
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 3: was because of the guys that they brought in and

1151
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 3: helped him push.

1152
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 2: It and he was in it.

1153
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: Just to finish on this. I actually think either franchise

1154
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: would work well for Robert. If he goes to the

1155
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: Phillies or the Mats, you're suddenly vaulted into a clubhouse

1156
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: full of superstars. They're playing, they're in a race. That's

1157
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: why I'm in the middle. I think either team would

1158
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: vault him to a different spot and put him in

1159
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: a position to be a big factor down the stretch.

1160
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: One more let's do one more rumor and then we're

1161
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: going to focus on the Padres for a little bit.

1162
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: This is actually a former Padre prospect, John Hayman said.

1163
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: Nearly every contender has checked on NAT's All Star lefty

1164
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: McKenzie Gore. Na's our listening as promised, but most come

1165
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: away thinking that mackenzie Gore stays in DC. This is

1166
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: a massive, massive mistake. If they get what they want,

1167
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: we're close to it. I would trade him.

1168
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a career year for get a huge,

1169
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 2: huge deal like a Soto type return, And how would

1170
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 2: you not This is a.

1171
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: Career year for McKenzie gore. Career year, you trade him.

1172
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 3: In my opinion, it could be a number one starter.

1173
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 3: Al Contra type of return. And that's why I asked Jim.

1174
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 3: When I asked him, like, if you see what is

1175
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 3: out there, and if he said everything's going the word

1176
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 3: that he says, it goes like, Hey, this is my

1177
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 3: first guy, this is my second guy. What's going on

1178
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 3: with this guy? All of a sudden, the that's gonna

1179
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 3: be like, hey, we just saw that. I know you

1180
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 3: called me three days ago asking see what the package

1181
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 3: is for our contra.

1182
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 2: My guy's pitching.

1183
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 3: Every five days, lights out all star status this year.

1184
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 3: How about we match what they gave. You know what

1185
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 3: the Marlins got for our contra?

1186
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:28,959
Speaker 1: Yep, three and a half evra on a bad team,

1187
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: fantastic strikeout numbers, which stands out. You're looking for swinging

1188
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: miss starters for your playoff rotation and down the stretch.

1189
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: This fits that too. Yeah, And for this, I put

1190
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: the Gnats in a similar spot to the Twins in

1191
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: terms of the state of their franchise. The Twins are

1192
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: a much better team right now, but they are also

1193
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: in flux. They're for sale and they're trying to keep

1194
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: their books tight too. So the Knats have decided they're

1195
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: not ready yet. They keep kicking the can right They're

1196
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: gonna let this go for the next owner. At some point,

1197
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna be sold in the next two years. I

1198
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: guarantee it. Okay, So, if you're the Nats, McKenzie Gorre

1199
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: is not going to be there for that next big run.

1200
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: James wood is and hopefully you extend him, but and

1201
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: hopefully Dylan Cruz guys like that workout. McKenzie gor is

1202
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: not going to be there for that. And if I'm them,

1203
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: I'm selling high on a career year for him because

1204
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: next year they're not competing. The year after you have

1205
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: some lockout concerns, and then you're at his contract here,

1206
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: I'm trading him right now. If he's going to be

1207
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: the biggest prize for a starter at the deadline, go

1208
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: for it. I think teams love mackenzie Gore. Yeah, good,

1209
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: we all agree. I saw somebody I'm not even going

1210
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: to say the name. Bring up what about a reunion

1211
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: for Justin Verlander with the Astros? Hell no, hell no.

1212
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: The one thing I want to point out with the

1213
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: Astros is that that if they do acquire Starter, it's

1214
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: going to be a top three starter in a rotation.

1215
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 2: What do they say though, What they say? Jim Crane

1216
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 2: like Stars.

1217
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: Stars, which that's a big name. But JV's not pitching

1218
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: a playoff game for them anymore. And here's the thing.

1219
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 2: Didn't pitch for him last year. Remember he didn't make

1220
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 2: the playoff roster last year.

1221
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: Correct that. They have a lot of guys coming back,

1222
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: and most of them you're not going to trust because

1223
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: you want to make sure they're okay health wise. But Kratz,

1224
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: if you look at the names coming back for the Astros,

1225
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: I would pitch almost any of them in a playoff

1226
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: game over Verlander in his current form. He's at the end,

1227
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: this might be his last season. Spencer Araghetti, Hell yeah,

1228
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: pitching someone like that, and he's coming back, Javier's coming back.

1229
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: Any of these guys, you're pitching them over justin Verlander.

1230
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: So I do not see that reunion happening.

1231
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 3: I mean JV might pitch again next year. I mean,

1232
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 3: I think he really wants that three hundred wins, so

1233
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 3: he might pitch again, but he's not an I don't

1234
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 3: think he's getting traded to a team that's going to

1235
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 3: use him in the playoffs. Let's put it that way.

1236
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 3: And I think the Astros are exactly what Jim said

1237
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 3: looking for somebody that they can pitch the playoffs. He

1238
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 3: I mean, unless things drastically change, he can getting a

1239
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 3: three hundred. He's thirty seven more. He's gonna have to picture.

1240
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 2: He's not getting.

1241
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: He's not getting.

1242
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 2: He's one eighth this year.

1243
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: There's no way. And my thing is he's pitching for

1244
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: a fringe playoff team that's now probably going to sell.

1245
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: He's got a foreign a FVRA and a top three

1246
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: pitchers park in the sports. The RA plus is sub

1247
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: league average. I don't think he's going to be able

1248
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: to find a job with a contending team. Then does

1249
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: he want to pitch for a crappy team to end

1250
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: his career. I think he might call it.

1251
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 2: He said he wanted to pitch, so he's forty five.

1252
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 2: I would love to see it, and everybody says that,

1253
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 2: but there's only one guy I know that could do it,

1254
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 2: and he got DFAD and he shouldn't have been doing it.

1255
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I mean Michel baby, but I mean, I'm.

1256
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 2: Sorry, But like Jamie Moyer could do it because it

1257
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,919
Speaker 2: was a different time and it was a different era.

1258
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 2: Amymore could probably still pitch today if he was at

1259
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 2: what forty seven or however old he was. But I mean,

1260
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 2: Jessin ber Lander, it's velocity and it's stuff and it's spin.

1261
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 2: And when you get to forty, I made it till forty.

1262
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 2: I would have loved to play it on forty five,

1263
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 2: but it wasn't happening for the people. We'll start with

1264
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 2: bold prediction of people. I just keep scanning the Twitter

1265
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 2: seeing things, but nothing is anyways.

1266
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: There's things, there's things. I'll get to a couple of things. Speculation, Yeah, yeah,

1267
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: let's get to Instagram dms from our fans. We asked

1268
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: for bold predictions. Let's just line them up one by one.

1269
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: You show us, we'll react to it. And remember this

1270
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: came out about a day and a half ago, so

1271
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: your bold prediction might turn into something that's kind of

1272
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: obvious pretty quickly. But let's start with Jessica, Dustin May

1273
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: for Cedric Mullins. And actually, the latest tweet I have

1274
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: right now is from Joel Sherman, who's higher on Cedric Mullins.

1275
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 2: Chance what happens? No chance of what Dustin May straight

1276
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 2: up for Cedric Mullins. No chance, no chance, no chance,

1277
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 2: there's no chance, no chances.

1278
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: A bold prediction, Yeah.

1279
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 2: It's a bold, not a very smart prediction, because there's

1280
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 2: no chance. Give me something has a chance. Those two

1281
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 2: straight up no chance.

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Speaker 1: Orioles need pitching, okay, and the Dodgers. Dodgers need Cedric

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Speaker 1: Mullens for what they might acquire after they're interested in

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Speaker 1: Stephen Kuan.

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Speaker 2: Stephen quanvers Cedric Mullens for an animal.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, just trying to Well, my thing is I

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Speaker 1: do think that, and yes, I agree that that's not

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Speaker 1: the fit for the Mets. I mean for the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: I think Moens is the fit for the Mets. I

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Speaker 1: think they've been on him for a while. That's my

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Speaker 1: old sources, and when some of the Mets fans were

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Speaker 1: biting back at me about his year, I think he's

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Speaker 1: better than you think. Joel Sherman agrees. Next one, this

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Speaker 1: is from will Giants have a fire cell?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: Will the Giants are selling now? I don't know if

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Speaker 1: a fire sale, but they might shed Amo, yeah, maybe

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Speaker 1: another reliever. I don't think they're gonna do a ton.

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Speaker 1: It's a weird fire sales. Fire sales are not for

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01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: teams that just added a franchise. Bat in Raphael Devers.

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Speaker 2: Not no I think it makes a major trade. You

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01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 2: think it makes a major league trades like major leaguer

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01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 2: for close to major league ready or a major leaguer.

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Speaker 2: I think they would do that, but no fire sales

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01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 2: not happen, No bust proposing they're not this year. Sandy

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Speaker 2: al Contra, Yeah, you would look nice in him and

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Speaker 2: Logan web one two, Robbie.

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Speaker 1: Ray O sign me up. That would not be a fire.

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Speaker 1: That would be a fire by Here's Diego, Cedric Mullins,

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01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: Sandy all Contra and Griff and Jack's landing on the Padres.

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Speaker 2: How yeh and Mullins would play left field. Mullins wild

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Speaker 2: play left field for him. No, the better question is

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Speaker 2: that Potters will have that kind of prospects. Andrew Banka another.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mullins, I don't see to the Padres. He's gonna move,

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01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: but not to the Padres. I don't see Sandy going

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01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 1: to the Padres. The Padres have to be careful about money,

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01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: and they're going to potentially move a starter and backfill it.

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01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: But I don't think the backfill is Sandy. Yeah, no,

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01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: Griffin Jacks. Maybe if the Padres trade Robert Suarez, I

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01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: could see them picking up someone like Griffin Jacks. So

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01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: on the back end of that, I could see that

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01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: last one from the bold prediction side. Then we'll get

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01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: to some questions. Joey said, Jason di Mingez and Oswald

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01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: Perrazza for Luis Severino and Mason Miller not.

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01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 2: Enough, not enough, and the a's need pitching. I don't

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01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 2: need hitting any pitching.

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01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: Jason with two s's. I only say because everyone's always

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01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 1: all over me whenever I'm not.

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01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 2: I have a Jason Dimingo signed a card to anybody

1330
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 2: wants to buy it from me.

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01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 1: It stocks a hold down and he's good, but he's

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01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: not a potential superstar.

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Speaker 2: And it was at one time they were talking about

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Speaker 2: him being like the next coming of Mickey Mantle.

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Speaker 1: Yea. They said that about Anthony Volpi too. They're they're

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Speaker 1: role players.

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Speaker 2: Okay, But.

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Speaker 1: I could see the Yankees, Well, could you see the

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01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: Yankees trying for Severino based on no right, Yeah, I

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01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 1: could see the Mets going for Severino and then Mason Miller. Sure,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure the Yankees would love to have him.

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01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 2: The sage you're gonna have to give a lot.

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01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 1: Would you do hold up? Would you do Spencer Jones

1344
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 1: for Mason Miller straight up for both sides.

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Speaker 2: They don't need another hitter. You just said it.

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01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: Who doesn't need another hitter is oh, you want pitching

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01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: in there?

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Speaker 2: And by the way, they have a closer Devin Williams.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't think they would flinch at adding Miller.

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01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 2: But also, do you think they give us Spencer Jones

1351
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 2: for Mason Miller. No, I don't think so.

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01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 1: I don't think so. That's why I brought it up

1353
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 1: just for fun. I don't think so. I don't think

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01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 1: they need to find a guy who's under four years

1355
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 1: of team control either. No, they are gonna lose some relievers.

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01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,640
Speaker 1: Devin Williams is free agent coming up. I think Luke

1357
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 1: Weaver's a agent coming up, and they'll get ones and

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01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 1: they'll get something. Can find those relievers.

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01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 2: An I treated this guy for this guy and this

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01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 2: guy for this guy. He's like, I can find them relievers.

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Speaker 1: That is true, and there are some teams that do

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01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 1: a much better job of developing relievers. The Yankees are

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01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: on that list for the mistakes they make right because

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Speaker 1: they they're not perfect. They definitely, in my mind, have

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01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: made some clunky rosters with fundamental issues. The last couple

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Speaker 1: of years. But they did make it to the World Series,

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01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: so let's not fault them too much. They excel at

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01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: creating bullpen gems. They're really good at that. Luke Weaver

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01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: turning into what he did, very impressive adjustments. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: they've done that with quite a few guys, so I'll

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Speaker 1: give them that. Let's get back to some questions. Stand by, no.

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Speaker 3: More, no more boldness, what's AJ's bold move? Luis Robert's

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01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 3: gonna stay?

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Speaker 2: What's my bold move? What's my bold move? Trade deadlines

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01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 2: and twenty eight hours it's been boring as hell so far.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: There's too many Yeah, there's too many levers though that

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01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: are in the game right now that make it more

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01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 1: difficult to make trades. The qualifying offer was mentioned when

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01:10:55,800 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: I talked to Ken. The offer is rash. It's well,

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01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 1: that's it's tied to that because what happens is teams say,

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Speaker 1: why am I going to make this deal if I

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01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: can get a first round pick for this player it's

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01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 1: a late first round pick. It's after the first round.

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Speaker 1: If that player goes, it's also more slot money, and

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01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: it's more slot money. So even if it's because there's

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Speaker 1: different lever levers. If it's a fifty million dollars plus contract,

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Speaker 1: then you get after the first round. I think it's

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Speaker 1: after the second round if you get a player under

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Speaker 1: that amount.

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Speaker 2: For it's actually holding down value that the player association

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Speaker 2: thought it wouldn't, but it actually held down some guy's value.

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Speaker 2: And like Nick Pavetta comes to mind.

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01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: Oh, it's been a huge valuebuster. And for me, I'm

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Speaker 1: not even as concerned about that because you still get

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01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 1: the deals done. But when you have certain rules in

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01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 1: place that hurt trades, you need to rethink what you're

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01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 1: doing as a league. I'm not going to get into

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01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 1: that whole discussion again, but here we've got some ideas

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01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 1: from fans right now that are playing off the bold thing,

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01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,719
Speaker 1: Josh said, Ryan O'Hearn to Detroit, going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Good, it could happen.

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01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 1: It could happen. All right, people, here's the deal. We

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Speaker 1: have Trevor May's show popping up today to give you

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01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 1: more trade deadline coverage. We are going to be on

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Speaker 1: five hours tomorrow, but here's Trevor May first, so you'll

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01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: see him a little bit later today from May Day

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01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 1: moving to Wednesday. Actually word on the street as it

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01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: might move to Wednesday long term right after FT. We'll see,

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01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:44,759
Speaker 1: but check out Trevor today talking about trade deadline coverage.

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01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: So you'll get more from Trevor on the FT YouTube

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01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 1: channel and on may Day's channel as well. A reminder

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01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,719
Speaker 1: to everyone that we will do five hours of trade

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01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 1: deadline coverage tomorrow one o'clock Eastern up till six o'clock Eastern.

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Speaker 1: If you're watching on TV, will go onto three trade

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Speaker 1: deadline coverage. Baby will be all over it.