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Speaker 2: Caught over the metal.

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Speaker 3: Michael Pittman Junior.

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Speaker 2: You're right.

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Speaker 3: Hey, the Official Colts Podcast is here. I'm Jeffrey Gorman,

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Speaker 3: JJ Stankovitz, Sarah Latte, Lara Overton is here. You are our.

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Speaker 6: Pseudo Inny Caffeine.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you're pseudo Pacer correspondent there. I love the shirt

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Speaker 3: that you're wearing today, Indianapolis versus the World and guys

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Speaker 3: a lot going on on fifty sixth Street tonight obviously,

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Speaker 3: Let's give a little love to the Pacers. I'll start

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Speaker 3: with you. This thing starts with Boston tonight Eastern Conference

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Speaker 3: Hats off to Pritchard and over there and coach Carlisle.

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Speaker 3: But they are facing a great team with great players

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Speaker 5: I like the fact, now some people would say, Okay,

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Speaker 5: My Boston between series right super excited. I think that

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Speaker 6: They're just like such a gritty team.

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Speaker 5: I love that they've brought some nastiness into this playoff

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Speaker 1: Know what I like about this Pacers team. Like, so

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Speaker 1: this is like I'm just a dumb basketball fan and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as we learned on the pregame show. Uh sorry

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Speaker 6: Okay, this reminds me of back in the day when I.

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Speaker 5: Was am seeing Pacers games. There was simultaneous the Pacers

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Speaker 1: A big week.

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Speaker 3: The OTAs are here this week. That means veterans and

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Speaker 6: All of that. So this is a huge.

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Speaker 5: Priority for Anthony Richardson for this offense, for all of

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Speaker 1: The one thing I always will think about with OTAs

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Speaker 5: And here's what I think is more indicative too, is

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Speaker 5: How you speak a veteran that you're like, hey, where

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Speaker 6: That's that's where you.

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, where you're thinking, this guy's got

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Speaker 1: he's got some potential to him, he's doing some good

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Speaker 1: things out there, and then he's not able to play

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. So does he continue to build

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Speaker 1: off what he was in twenty twenty two or is

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Speaker 1: he a guy who we get to the end of

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Speaker 1: training camp and you're wondering if he's going to make

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Speaker 1: the roster. He's got a real opportunity in front of

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Speaker 1: him to cement himself not just as an NFL player,

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Speaker 1: but as a guy who could be a weapon on

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Speaker 1: this offense. So he didn't have last.

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Speaker 5: That training or that tight end group. The last few

448
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Speaker 5: years has always been that one in training camp, like

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Speaker 5: what is going to happen?

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Speaker 6: Like you think about a few years ago Durogeltree with.

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Speaker 5: The injury, because it was he was emerging and there

452
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Speaker 5: was so much that you were figuring out within that group.

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Speaker 5: And now this year you've had the emergence of Will

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Speaker 5: Mallory and how significant of contributions he was able to make.

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Speaker 5: Kylon Grantson is kind of a completely different weapon from

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Speaker 5: those other bigger bodies that you have in there.

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing with the tight end room that

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Speaker 1: I keep going back to, is like the Colts don't

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Speaker 1: have a Travis Kelcey, Dallas Goddard, George Kittle.

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Speaker 5: Because to your point where we talked about how many

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Speaker 5: of those are there in the league, you're.

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Speaker 1: Right, But I think the collection of talent the Colts have,

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Speaker 1: they like this collection of talent where you can you

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Speaker 1: got mo as kind of your Hey, this guy's gonna

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Speaker 1: be our big run blocker and he can catch it

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Speaker 1: a little bit. You've got and then on the opposite

467
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Speaker 1: end of it, you've got like Kylon and Will Mallory,

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Speaker 1: who are going to be more of your They're going

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Speaker 1: to go catch the ball type guys. It's a really

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Speaker 1: interesting collection guys. And then but then, but then, right

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Speaker 1: there in the middle is Jelani.

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Speaker 3: Woods exactly where he's the guy who spot.

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Speaker 1: Right where Jelannie Woods has that upside of being that

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Speaker 1: he can catch it and he can block type guy.

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Speaker 1: And that is where I'm so fascinated to see how

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Speaker 1: he looks out there in OTAs.

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Speaker 5: I almost feel like this is a total detour, but

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Speaker 5: I feel like Mo needs to come in and be

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Speaker 5: our guest analyst for Eastern Conference Western Conference Finals contribution,

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Speaker 5: right like, well you see you basketball?

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Speaker 6: I mean still yeah.

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Speaker 1: I I do. I do think that EJ. Speed would

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Speaker 1: probably be a pretty good guest to talk about the

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Speaker 1: MAVs coming in here. Big MAVs guy. J Speed. He

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Speaker 1: once told me, he once told me that, uh he

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Speaker 1: he This was back when he was he was kind

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Speaker 1: of making fun of Dallas Flowers a little bit for

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Speaker 1: his high school basketball career. And he goes, if you

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Speaker 1: if you got me on the MAVs and you got

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Speaker 1: Luca here scoring thirty, I'm putting up forty next to him.

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Speaker 1: I got a big old Julian.

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Speaker 3: Blackman would have anything to say. Oh yeah, ballplayer.

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Speaker 1: Dallas Flowers is a good high school basketball player too.

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Speaker 6: Alex Pearce, I'm here, Kenny Alec Pearce.

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Speaker 1: Literally his family is a basketball family. Yes, absolutely, yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean his brother's playing professionally.

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Speaker 1: We got some pretty good, pretty good potential analysts here.

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Speaker 1: If in case for the YouTube commentaries, who are like,

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Speaker 1: quit talking about the Pacers, what if we got a

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Speaker 1: football player on to talk.

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Speaker 3: About the Pacers that might be loving it? Right, and Lara,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to leave it up to you to get

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Speaker 3: those guests in studio.

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Speaker 1: Okay, real easy.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of guests, all right, we do another reminder, Reckless

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Speaker 3: predictions are coming up. But Ben Arthur covers the AFC

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Speaker 3: South for Fox Sports. Get a chance to sit down

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Speaker 3: with JJ talk about the Colts opposition coming up this NFL.

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Speaker 1: Season, All right, joining me here on the official Colts

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Speaker 1: podcast from Fox Sports and the Fox Sports app. That's

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Speaker 1: where you can read his work. He is also a

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Speaker 1: candidate for the terrez A. Paler Emerging Writer Award, presented

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Speaker 1: by the Pro Football Writers Association of America, a great

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Speaker 1: honor for the late great Terrez Paler. It's Ben Arthur

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Speaker 1: from Fox Sports and again from Fox Sports app Ben,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for taking some time here.

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Speaker 4: JJ, thanks so much for having me and thank you

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Speaker 4: for the kind words as well.

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Speaker 1: It's good to have you on. I know I've met

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Speaker 1: you a couple times, whether we've been down in Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: you've been up a training camp. But your knowledge of

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Speaker 1: the AFC South is why I wanted to get you

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Speaker 1: on here, because you cover the AFC southuth and you

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Speaker 1: know exactly what's going on with all four of the

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Speaker 1: teams in the division. So I just want to get

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on the strengths and weaknesses that each of

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Speaker 1: these teams that the Cults are going to be battling

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Speaker 1: for the division have going into kind of the training

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Speaker 1: camp preseason period here. So let's start with the division champions,

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Speaker 1: the Houston Texans. Then where is the strength, like the

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Speaker 1: number one strength of this Houston Texans team as things

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Speaker 1: stand right now.

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Speaker 4: Well, honestly, they have a lot of strengths. I mean

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Speaker 4: they're a very loaded roster. But I think first of all,

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Speaker 4: you have to start with that passing attack, right like

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Speaker 4: you think of what CJ. Stroud did in year one

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Speaker 4: what he can only become in your two. Plus Tank

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Speaker 4: Dell second season. A lot of people forget that he

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Speaker 4: missed the last seven games for them. Nico Collins had

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Speaker 4: thirteen hundred receiving yards last season. And then you add

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Speaker 4: Stefan Diggs on top of all that, you have three

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Speaker 4: guys who each of them could probably be number one

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Speaker 4: receiver if they were like the guy on another team

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Speaker 4: in the NFL. So when you think of that plus

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Speaker 4: CJ's ability to throw the deep ball, I mean you

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Speaker 4: have to start with them, like their explosive passing attack

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Speaker 4: is at if not at it's near the top of

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Speaker 4: the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Where do you see the I guess the personality of

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Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs fitting in with that Houston Texans team that

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Speaker 1: you know, Demiko Ryans last year did such a good

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Speaker 1: job changing the entire feeling around that building around that team.

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Speaker 1: You do add someone in Diggs who, like, when I've

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Speaker 1: talked to people in Buffalo, they've said, he's not as

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Speaker 1: big of a problem as people made him out to be,

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Speaker 1: but he does have a big personality who's stepping into

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Speaker 1: a situation that you know, kind of Demiico Ryans has

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Speaker 1: really built up a certain kind of culture there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think for Stefan Diggs, I mean he should be

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Speaker 4: regardless of what has or hasn't happened in Buffalo and

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Speaker 4: then even dating back to his time in Minnesota, like

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Speaker 4: he he should absolutely be on his best behavior. He

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Speaker 4: should be incentivized to do so. Right Like the Texans

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Speaker 4: wiped out the final three years of his contract, this

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Speaker 4: is like a contract year for him. If he balls

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Speaker 4: out in Houston, he's gonna get a massive deal, probably

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Speaker 4: his last massive deal considering his age. And so if

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Speaker 4: I'm Stefan Diggs, I'm gonna be on my best behavior.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna be I'm gonna lead this team, I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: lead this wide receiver room. I'm gonna be as available

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Speaker 4: for CJ. Stroud as I could possibly be. I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: fit this vision that Demico Ryans has for me on

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Speaker 4: this team. And so regardless of who he is or

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Speaker 4: who he isn't, I would expect Stefan Diggs, knowing the

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Speaker 4: stakes for him and his pockets, that he will be

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Speaker 4: absolutely on his best behavior.

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Speaker 2: That's what my expectation is.

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Speaker 1: The Texans last year were an offense that They really

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Speaker 1: emphasized running the ball, even if they maybe weren't all

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Speaker 1: that good at it, which seemed to really benefit CJ.

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Speaker 1: Stroud right where it's that Shanahan offense or you get

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Speaker 1: the play action and everything is kind of built off

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Speaker 1: of the run. How does the addition to Joe Mixon

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Speaker 1: to that group does that improve the run game? I

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Speaker 1: know he's kinda he's got some you know, some tread

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Speaker 1: on his tires, But how does that how do you

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Speaker 1: see that improving the run game and making the Texans

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Speaker 1: maybe a more efficient offense when they do hand the

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Speaker 1: ball off.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Joe Mixon is certainly one of one

592
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Speaker 4: of the better running backs in the NFL. As you said,

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Speaker 4: he does have some tread on his tires, but I

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Speaker 4: think he does help them in a few areas. Number One,

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Speaker 4: he's a better pass catcher out of the backfield. Number Two,

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Speaker 4: his touchdown rate, like in the red zone inside the

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Speaker 4: twenty was much higher than Devin Singletary. And you look

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Speaker 4: at as good as the Texans offense was last season,

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Speaker 4: they did struggle once they got close to the end

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Speaker 4: zone and having a rushing threat in the backfield who

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Speaker 4: who could basically plow his way into the end zone

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Speaker 4: and not having to rely so much on CJ's arm

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Speaker 4: at that part of the field.

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Speaker 2: I think that'll help them a lot.

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Speaker 4: And then I think that there's some like from an

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Speaker 4: athletic standpoint too, I think Mixon does have a gear

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Speaker 4: that Devin Singletary didn't have, Like, he has more acceleration,

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Speaker 4: like you look at the way he runs, which could

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Speaker 4: open up the field a little bit more So. I

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Speaker 4: think those are some of the biggest ways that he

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Speaker 4: could impact this Texans offense and take even more pressure

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Speaker 4: off of CJ.

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Speaker 1: All Right, if we get to mid January and I'm

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Speaker 1: talking to you again then and I go, hey, Ben,

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Speaker 1: why didn't the Texans win the AFC South? Why did

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Speaker 1: they not repeat as division champions? Right now as we're

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Speaker 1: sitting here in May, But what do you think that

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Speaker 1: reason is most likely to be if the Texans do

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Speaker 1: not repeat as division champions?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it would probably be the secondary we've

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Speaker 4: talked so much about, Well, when I say we, I

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Speaker 4: mean just NFL media league observers talk so much about

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Speaker 4: what they've done upfront. You think of Will Anderson being

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Speaker 4: in year two, the one offensive rookie of the Year,

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Speaker 4: adding Danil Punter, who I know the Coults were in on.

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Speaker 4: But the secondary is somewhat shaky, right because I mean,

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Speaker 4: you have Derek Stingley Junior, who's a phenomenal player, but

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Speaker 4: he hasn't been consistently available to this point in his career,

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Speaker 4: and the spot opposite for him at the cornerback spot,

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Speaker 4: there is some uncertainty there. Steven Nelson isn't going to

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Speaker 4: be back in Houston. They did draft Kamari Lassiter with

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Speaker 4: their top pick out of Georgia. He could help, but

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Speaker 4: again he's a rookie, you know. And then they have

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Speaker 4: a couple of top ten picks, former top ten picks

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Speaker 4: and cj Henderson and Jeff Okuda who haven't worked out

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Speaker 4: at other places. So those three guys are really going

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Speaker 4: to be battling it out for that CB two spot.

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Speaker 4: And so I I think it's just going to be

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Speaker 4: really fascinating kind of how all that shakes up. Derek

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Speaker 4: Stingley is going to do his job, but on the

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Speaker 4: other side, I'm not as confident. And then in the

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Speaker 4: secondary too, you know Jimmy Ward, who is their starting

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Speaker 4: safety last season, he missed a lot of time when

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Speaker 4: you look at like the explosive pass plays given up

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Speaker 4: towards the end of last season, the Texans ranked near

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Speaker 4: the bottom of the league just in terms of the

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Speaker 4: amount of that they were giving up, and so I

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Speaker 4: think that could be an issue for them, especially when

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Speaker 4: you look at the caliber of quarterbacks in the AFC

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Speaker 4: and you look at the teams they're going to face

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Speaker 4: this season. Let alone they their division, which already has

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Speaker 4: good quarterbacks, but the AFC as a whole, I think

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Speaker 4: they could run into issues there. So if we're looking

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Speaker 4: mid January and they didn't meet expectations as we look

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Speaker 4: at it in May, I would say probably the secondary

656
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Speaker 4: will be the reason why.

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Speaker 1: I mean they are, like you kind of alluded to, Ben,

658
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Speaker 1: they are playing a first place schedule, which comes with

659
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Speaker 1: its own challenges. But just to put a cap on

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Speaker 1: the Texans to discussion, we probably haven't talked about c J.

661
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: Stroud enough in this Like c J. Stroud had one

662
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Speaker 1: of the best rookie seasons a quarterback has ever had

663
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Speaker 1: in NFL history last year. He never looked like the

664
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Speaker 1: moment was too big from he goes in and he

665
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Speaker 1: wins a playoff game where they put up what forty

666
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Speaker 1: five points on the Browns with really good defense. Him

667
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Speaker 1: as the quarterback for the Texans. Is there any reason

668
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Speaker 1: to believe that his development will not be kind of

669
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Speaker 1: linear and keep going up, or you know, like any

670
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Speaker 1: rookie quarterback, are there potential pitfalls that could happen with him?

671
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Speaker 1: Or is he just a guy who he's probably going

672
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Speaker 1: to be great his entire career, Like where do you

673
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: sort of see CJ after year one?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think he's definitely the guy that can be great

676
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Speaker 4: his entire career. I don't know how big of a

677
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Speaker 4: jump from year one to year two he can make

678
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Speaker 4: because that year one play was already superstar level play.

679
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Speaker 4: So I don't know how much more of a jump

680
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,239
Speaker 4: we'll see just in his second season. But I do

681
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Speaker 4: expect him to continue to take step fourard. I mean,

682
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Speaker 4: you look at the way he plays the game, the

683
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 4: way he sees the game, and how fresher never got

684
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Speaker 4: to him. I think that's the most impressive thing about him,

685
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Speaker 4: no matter what the stakes were, you know, game situation,

686
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 4: the moment of the game that didn't seem to rattle him.

687
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Speaker 4: And when you look at some of the greatest quarterbacks

688
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Speaker 4: of all time, they all kind of have that attribute,

689
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Speaker 4: and so for that reason, I expect the send to

690
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Speaker 4: ascent to continue. But it's going to be interesting, like

691
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Speaker 4: as you said, because now teams are going to have

692
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Speaker 4: a full year of tape of him, right, Like's not

693
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Speaker 4: He's not going to catch people by surprise. As we've discussed,

694
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Speaker 4: They're going to have a first play schedule. They're going

695
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 4: to be playing better defenses this year. Having the cast

696
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 4: of weapons he has is certainly going to help. Tank

697
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 4: Dell is only going to improve, Nico Collins is going

698
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 4: to improve. Adding Stefan Diggs is going to help. And

699
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Speaker 4: then having a healthy offensive line I think could be

700
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 4: really big for them because they have some really highly

701
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Speaker 4: paid guys up front that got hurt towards the end

702
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Speaker 4: of the year. So I think all that is going

703
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 4: to help. But yeah, I don't expect. What I'm trying

704
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Speaker 4: to say, I think is that I don't expect like another.

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Speaker 2: Massive just step. Right.

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Speaker 4: I think he'll continue that upward trajectory, but I'm skeptical

707
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Speaker 4: that it will be just like just this meteoric step

708
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Speaker 4: in year two.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the Jacksonville Jaguars, who finished

710
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Speaker 1: second in the AFC South last year with the nine

711
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Speaker 1: to eight record, same as the Colts. Said the tiebreaker

712
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Speaker 1: of the Colts based on winning both games and the

713
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Speaker 1: season series. What is the strength of this Jacksonville Jaguars

714
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Speaker 1: team as we sit here right now in May, Ben, Yeah.

715
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Speaker 4: The defensive line is the number one strength. If not Houston,

716
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 4: the Jags have the top defensive line. I mean, you

717
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Speaker 4: look at what Josh Allen did last season, got a

718
00:33:55,240 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 4: well deserved payday after setting the franchise record for single

719
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Speaker 4: season sacks. Trayvon Walker took a massive leap as the

720
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Speaker 4: former number one overall pick who kind of had a

721
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Speaker 4: slow rookie year, had like three and a half sacks

722
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Speaker 4: if I remember correctly in twenty twenty two, had ten

723
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Speaker 4: ten plus in year two, those two guys combined for

724
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Speaker 4: twenty seven and a half sacks, which led the NFL

725
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Speaker 4: in terms of duos last season. And then you add

726
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Speaker 4: Eric Armstead to that an interior presence, you know that

727
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 4: they could I think really the sky could be the

728
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 4: limit up front. And we talk about the caliber of

729
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Speaker 4: passing attacks in their division and in the AFC as

730
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Speaker 4: a whole. You have to have a line that could

731
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Speaker 4: really disrupt the clock for these quarterbacks in the pocket,

732
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Speaker 4: and the Jacks certainly have a line that can do that.

733
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Speaker 4: And then I think through the draft they added some

734
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Speaker 4: depth up front. They added two d tackles out of LSU,

735
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Speaker 4: and then they added a an edge rusher out of

736
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Speaker 4: Texas Tech in the seventh round as well. So I

737
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 4: think that they have the top end talent and then

738
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Speaker 4: they also have the depth I think to be one

739
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Speaker 4: of the best D lines in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: They changed coordinators obviously, Mike Caldwell let go last year.

741
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Speaker 1: They bring in Ryan Nielsen, who was the Atlanta Falcons

742
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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. Before that, he was in New Orleans. What

743
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: sort of style of play can the Colts and the

744
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Speaker 1: rest of the AFC South expect out of Ryan Nielsen?

745
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Speaker 1: And how do those pieces on the D line fit

746
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Speaker 1: with the way that Ryan Nielsen wants to play his team.

747
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, first of all, like the Jags from

748
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 4: a schematics standpoint, they're gonna be a lot more aggressive

749
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 4: this year, like really pressing guys at the line of

750
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,959
Speaker 4: scrimmage like pressman. That's kind of been That's what Ryan

751
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 4: Nielsen is known for. That's what he built Atlanta's defense

752
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 4: to be and then on top of that, like he's

753
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Speaker 4: a defensive line specialist.

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Speaker 2: So when we talk about.

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Speaker 4: Them already have what could be a don a D

756
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Speaker 4: line having a guy in Nielsen who has a great

757
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 4: reputation for building defensive linemen.

758
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Speaker 2: Like going back to like like.

759
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Speaker 4: Cam Jordan when he was with New Orleans and if

760
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Speaker 4: I remember correctly, last season the Falcons had they like

761
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Speaker 4: doubled their SAT total from there from twenty twenty two.

762
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Speaker 4: So so yeah, when we think of what this Jags,

763
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Speaker 4: what we can expect from them this year that there'll

764
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Speaker 4: be a lot more aggressive in coverage and then just

765
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Speaker 4: in terms of getting after the quarterback, I think we'll

766
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Speaker 4: see kind of all the guys really get after written

767
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 4: and we could see Yeah, I think that they could

768
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Speaker 4: definitely recav it upfront.

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Speaker 1: All right, what about a weakness for this Jaguars team?

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Speaker 1: Where do you feel like the maybe number one most

771
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: glaring weakness of the Jaguars have is Yeah, I.

772
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 4: Would say it's tough. I would maybe say the offensive line.

773
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Speaker 4: I'm not totally convinced about. Their run game had a

774
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 4: lot of issues last season. I think they were like

775
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 4: twenty fourth or twenty fifth and rushing yards per game,

776
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Speaker 4: Travis etn wasn't really able to get loose, and part

777
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 4: of that was just the fact that the left side

778
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 4: of the line was a revolving door due to injury

779
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 4: and suspension. But the reason why I say this could

780
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 4: be like a weakness for them again is because they're

781
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 4: basically running it back with the same line, banking that

782
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 4: continuity that hoping everyone you know being there will kind

783
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 4: of kind of help the run game will help keep

784
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Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence upright. And I'm not sure that I really

785
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Speaker 4: that I don't I'm not confident that that will be

786
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 4: that will work out for them. They did add Mitch Morrise,

787
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 4: this veteran center who's been with Josh Allen and Patrick

788
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 4: Mahomes before that, so he's a good veteran piece in

789
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 4: the middle of that line, But overall, I'm just not

790
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 4: totally convinced about this offensive line. And if that run

791
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 4: game isn't getting going, then that puts a lot of

792
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 4: pressure on Trevor Lawrence, who we've seen who Trevor Lawrence

793
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 4: has shown flashes of greatness, but he hasn't shown that

794
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 4: consistency that a lot of people thought. So if that

795
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 4: old line isn't right for him that they're going to struggle,

796
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Speaker 4: and so I'm just not confident about what they've done upfront.

797
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Speaker 1: I was really curious about Lawrence and your perspective on this, Ben,

798
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: because when I pulled up his season numbers from last year,

799
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: I was honestly shocked at how not great they were.

800
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: Like you watch him play and you're like, yeah, this guy,

801
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: he's really good. The numbers didn't maybe match the way

802
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: that I think about Trevor Lawrence and you look at

803
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: you know, I think he was third in Pro Football

804
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: Focus his turnover worthy plays, but also near the top

805
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: in big time throws. He seems to be a quarterback

806
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: who maybe the circumstances around him led to those numbers

807
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: being where they were, as opposed to him individually struggling, Like,

808
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: how did you digest the season Lawrence had last year?

809
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: Knowing by the way that their rumors out there, the

810
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: Jaguars are going to be willing to pay him over

811
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: fifty million a year in a market rate contract extension

812
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: coming down the pike.

813
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think for Trevor Lawrence, it's kind of both

814
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 4: of what you said. It's kind of the circumstances around

815
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 4: him like the offensive line, as I talked about the

816
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 4: run game not getting going, putting a lot of pressure

817
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 4: on him to make things happen. The wide receiver injuries

818
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 4: they had last season. Christian Kirk missed a lot of time,

819
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 4: Jay Jones missed a lot of time, and Calvin Ridley,

820
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 4: who is their only top receiver to play all seventeen games,

821
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 4: is now with arrival in the Titans. So the receiving

822
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 4: struggles played an issue. And then also the play calling

823
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 4: was kind of suspect. A lot of people outside of

824
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 4: Jacksonville don't, like really understand that it wasn't Doug Peterson

825
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 4: who was calling plays last season. It was their offensive coordinator,

826
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 4: Press Taylor. And you just look at the way their

827
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 4: offense that the flow, it just wasn't as smooth as

828
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Speaker 4: it was in twenty twenty two when of course they

829
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 4: went on that went on that run to win the

830
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Speaker 4: division title. And so there are a lot of things

831
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 4: going around around Trevor that hurt him. But then he

832
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 4: also has to play better too, like you mentioned, like

833
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 4: the turnover worthy plays, Like since entering the NFL, he

834
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 4: has sixty turnovers, so that's over three seasons, which leads

835
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 4: the NFL in that span. Last season, he had twenty

836
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 4: four turnovers, which was third in the league. He has

837
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 4: a propensity to turn the ball over. And it's not

838
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 4: just like interceptions and whatnot sometimes Fluki plays, it's the

839
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 4: inability to really protect the ball in the pocket like

840
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 4: with him, like it's a lot of strip sacks, a

841
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 4: lot of d linemen getting able to kind of get

842
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 4: a handout, and him not really having a firm grip

843
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 4: of the ball. And so it's a combination of Trevor

844
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 4: needing to play better, but also the circumstances.

845
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: Needing to improve.

846
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 4: And it just all kind of goes back to like

847
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 4: that Trevor hasn't been what people expected. Like he's been

848
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 4: great at times. We've seen that flashes. Like you said,

849
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 4: there are times where it's like, man, like this is

850
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 4: the reason why he was a generational prospect. But then

851
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 4: there are other times where it's like you're just kind

852
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 4: of left scratching your head. And so at this right now,

853
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 4: it just seems like the Jags just need to make

854
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 4: sure like the surrounding cast bec see at least to

855
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 4: this point, he hasn't proven to be the kind of

856
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 4: quarterback that can just transcend circumstances that you know, may

857
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 4: not be in his favor, Like He's not like a

858
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson like that type, at least

859
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 4: not yet. And so their focus has really been on

860
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 4: trying to build up that team around him in hoping

861
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 4: that the turnover some of that decision making can improve.

862
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 4: And so, yeah, and as you said, the Jags are

863
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 4: committed to paying him a talk market deal. They publicly

864
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 4: said that a number of times I expected to happen

865
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 4: in the next couple months. If not like this week,

866
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 4: it could happen this week for all I know.

867
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Speaker 1: By the time this podcast is out, Hey it could.

868
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: Jaydon like for real.

869
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 4: But but yeah, but yeah, yeah, Trevor has to play better.

870
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: It comes down to that.

871
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 4: But the Jags also know there are some things that

872
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 4: they could do around him to help make him more comfortable.

873
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the Titans here. Team finishes

874
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: last in the division in twenty twenty three. They move

875
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: on from Mike Vrabel, they hire Brian Callahan as their

876
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: head coach, and then they kind of go into spending

877
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: spree this offseason that I don't know if a lot

878
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 1: of people saw coming. Calvin Ridley a lot of money

879
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: for him. They bring in Tony Pollard quite a bit

880
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 1: of money there, I guess, just baseline with the Titans

881
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: before we get to strengths and weaknesses. Were you surprised

882
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: that they were so aggressive in free agency given it's

883
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: the first year of a new head coach. You sometimes

884
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: don't see teams be as aggressive as the Titans were

885
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: when it is kind of a new regime coming in.

886
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

887
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 4: JJ I wasn't really surprised because because their roster was

888
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 4: so talent deficient, they needed to be aggressive and obviously

889
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 4: they had the money to spend, but they needed to

890
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 4: be aggressive to shore up depth basically across their roster.

891
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 4: They had holes at basically every position, and a big

892
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 4: reason is because of how bad they've been drafted the

893
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 4: last several years. That's why they're former general manager John

894
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 4: Robinson what was fired in December of what was it,

895
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two too? Yeah, Yeah, the drafts, the bad

896
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 4: drafts just kept stacking on and you just get to

897
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 4: a point to where your roster you don't have talent

898
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 4: to work with. They had a lot of undrafted guys

899
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 4: who were forced to play a lot of meaningful snaps

900
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 4: last season, and they needed to get to a point

901
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 4: to where they could kind of replenish the roster. And

902
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 4: of course, long term, you want to build your team

903
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 4: through the draft, but to give Brian Callahan, their new coach,

904
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 4: a chance to start that foundation, they needed to spend

905
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 4: a lot. And they also need to know if Will

906
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 4: Levis is their quarterback of the future. That's been the

907
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 4: number one priority in that building is finding out if

908
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 4: Will Levis is your franchise quarterback or not. And the

909
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 4: way you do that is by spending money. Is that's

910
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 4: why they've invested so much at the wide receiver position,

911
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 4: investing on the O line, investing in a guy like

912
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 4: Tony Pollard, even though you lost Derrick Henry. That's why

913
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 4: we see some of the moves they've made. So I

914
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 4: wasn't surprised.

915
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: So real quick, let's just do real quick strengths and

916
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 1: weaknesses for them, because then I want to talk about Levice.

917
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: So give me real quick your bulk points on the

918
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: strength of this Titans team and maybe the biggest weakness

919
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: that the Titans have.

920
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, the strengths are at the skill positions. I would

921
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 4: say what And when I say skill, I mean wide

922
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 4: receiver exam very legitimate top three, maybe the best the

923
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 4: franchise has had since it moved to Tennessee.

924
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: Like in Ridley de Hopp and Tyler.

925
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 4: Boyd who they signed a couple of weeks ago, and

926
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 4: then also cornerback, they might have the best cornerback room

927
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 4: in the NFL to be one hundred percent honest, Like

928
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 4: they have two of the top four, Like they have

929
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 4: two guys last season who didn't allow a touchdown in

930
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 4: coverage in the regular season, who played at least four

931
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty coverage snaps in Roger McCreery and and

932
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 4: Lugarius Snee, who they acquired from Kansas City. So those

933
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 4: are I'd say those two are the biggest straints.

934
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: Well, real quick. What's interesting about that is that those

935
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 1: are two positions where the Titans used a first round

936
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: draft pick in consecutive years. They took Caleb Farley in

937
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, and then they took Traylon Burks in

938
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, and neither of those guys are factors

939
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: in what you're talking about here, which I think goes

940
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: into why the Titans spent quite a bit in free agency. Yeah, exactly,

941
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: So what's kind of the number one weakness of this team.

942
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the weakness until they play it's the

943
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 4: offensive line. I mean, this has been probably the worst

944
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 4: offensive line in the NFL for the last two years.

945
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 4: Left tackle has been the most glaring issue that they hope.

946
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 4: They have their guy in JC Latham, who is probably

947
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 4: the most powerful offensive tackle in this year's draft class.

948
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 4: They brought him in, but he played right tackle at Alabama.

949
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 4: They're switching him to left so that's going to be

950
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 4: a really fascinating transition. But they have in addition to

951
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 4: kind of the moves they've made, they've added probably arguably

952
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 4: the best offensive line coach in modern NFL history in

953
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 4: Bill Callahan. So if there's anyone that could help JC

954
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 4: Latham make that transition to help the unit overall play better,

955
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 4: it's Bill Callahan. So yeah, offensive line until they play,

956
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 4: it has to be that because I mean, between Levis

957
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 4: and Ryan Tanneho, I mean, they've they've been getting slaughtered

958
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 4: in the pocket. So yeah, that has to improved.

959
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: So let's real quick talk about Levis here before we

960
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: get you out of here. Ben. I kind of liked

961
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: what I saw from him last year, Like it wasn't.

962
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: It wasn't like, you know, you turn it on and

963
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 1: you're like, this is just efficient. Everything's on time, everything's

964
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: in rhythm. But like he's got some like competitive edge

965
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: to him that I really like. There's one play when

966
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: when the Cults are playing the Titans in was it

967
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: week thirteen or fourteen last year where he just took

968
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: off and took like this huge shot where he almost

969
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: like John Elway, helicoptered over the middle, and it's like,

970
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if I love my quarterback doing it,

971
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: but I kind of love my quarterback doing that, especially

972
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: when you're you know, you kind of he has maybe

973
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: this little bit of an underdog mentality slip into the

974
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: second round, Like what do you think of Will Levis?

975
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: What do you think of his potential and his shot

976
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: at being the Titans franchise quarterback with the infrastructure they

977
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: have around him.

978
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm bullish JJ on what Will Levis can become.

979
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 4: I think it was really hard last season to get

980
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 4: a proper assessment on him last season, not only because

981
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 4: he played such a few like he only played nine games.

982
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 2: Right.

983
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 4: Ryan Tannehill was the starter for the for the first

984
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 4: half of the season, but all the issues they had,

985
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 4: they couldn't protect him. Even when they were able to

986
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 4: maybe protect him a little bit, they didn't have the

987
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 4: wide receiver personnel to really do damage outside of DeAndre Hopkins.

988
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: And so so.

989
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, as I said, like this offseason has been about

990
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 4: investing in playmakers for Levis, investing in protection for Will Levis,

991
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 4: so that you know for a fact, like if he's

992
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 4: the guy or not. We saw the flashes. We saw

993
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 4: the Miami game, Like I.

994
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: Don't know if you remember that, but when that comeback

995
00:48:59,239 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 1: was incredible.

996
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, being down.

997
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 4: Like fourteen points in the last couple minutes or so,

998
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 4: and that that, in a nutshell is what the Titans

999
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 4: hope he can be. And he certainly has the arm,

1000
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 4: he has the persona, the fiery spirit as you mentioned,

1001
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 4: and and the guys really rally behind that. Like he

1002
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 4: has a really good relationship with DeAndre Hopkins, a veteran

1003
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 4: receiver who's very accomplished in the NFL. So when you

1004
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 4: talk about some of those plays, like that helicopter play

1005
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 4: that happened, I think it was actually EJ. Speed who's

1006
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 4: like trying to make the tackle there. But yeah, the

1007
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 4: team loves that the old Lineman love it. The receivers

1008
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 4: love it that the quarterback is putting their body on

1009
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 4: the line. Obviously you want to limit it, right, and

1010
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 4: we know he can run a little bit. But but yeah,

1011
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 4: I think what we're going to see, right, we're going

1012
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 4: to see if he's actually the guy or not. But

1013
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 4: he has all the tools and we know he has

1014
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 4: the arm strength as well, so yeah, he's going to

1015
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 4: have every opportunity to show that he's the guy.

1016
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna put you on this here to

1017
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: get you out of here. Ben, If you are picking,

1018
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: you can you can pick one franchise to kind of

1019
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: you put your weight behind for the next three seasons

1020
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: in the AFC South. Which franchise are you taking to be? Like,

1021
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: this team has the most upside, the best shot at

1022
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: not just being multiple time division winners, but legitimate Super

1023
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: Bowl contenders?

1024
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: The Texans.

1025
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's I kind of as soon as

1026
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: I was saying it, and I was like, I bet

1027
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: I know where this is going.

1028
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it has to be the Texans because

1029
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 4: you know, like as long as you have a quarterback

1030
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 4: of that caliber, like you're always.

1031
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:38,720
Speaker 2: Going to have a chance.

1032
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 4: Like they're they're going to have to figure it out

1033
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 4: over the next several years, and just from a roster

1034
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 4: building standpoint, because they have invested a lot of money

1035
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 4: in the next year or two just in terms of

1036
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 4: the investments they've made on veterans, and they're going to

1037
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 4: have to keep replenishing the roster with good drafts like

1038
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 4: they did with CJ's class. But yeah, as long as

1039
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 4: you have a quarterback like that, I mean, you're gonna

1040
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 4: have a chance every year. They could be in the

1041
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 4: Super Bowl conversation this year, so that would it would

1042
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 4: have to be Houston.

1043
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: Where do you see? So we haven't talked about the

1044
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: Colts like at all in this because I just hear

1045
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: such a wealth of knowledge on teams that you know,

1046
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 1: I and we here in Indianapolis don't know as much about.

1047
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: But where do you see the Colts fitting in this

1048
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: division in twenty twenty four and then beyond.

1049
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm high on the Colts.

1050
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 4: I mean, you look at what they did last season,

1051
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 4: considering the circumstances as you you're well aware of, won

1052
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 4: nine games with Gardner Minshew playing most of the season,

1053
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 4: not having Anthony Richardson, Jonathan Taylor missing a lot of time,

1054
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 4: you know, Brayden Smith missing a lot of time, they

1055
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 4: didn't even have Jelannie Woods for.

1056
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 2: All for all season. The Colts can do some damage.

1057
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 4: Like I just think of what Anthony Richardson and Jonathan

1058
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 4: Taylor together can do. Just the fact that they played

1059
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 4: two snaps together should be concerning for other teams in

1060
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 4: the division in particular. And so I'm high on them,

1061
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 4: and I love what they've done on the D line,

1062
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 4: adding a lot to to already a deep pass rush.

1063
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 2: Unit that they have.

1064
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 4: I think my one concern with them, and I know

1065
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 4: all you guys in India have talked about, is like,

1066
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 4: what's this secondary going to look like? Because they didn't

1067
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 4: invest another top pick at corner, You're banking a lot

1068
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 4: on kind of what seventh round undrafted talent back there.

1069
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 4: And then I know safety is a spot of concern

1070
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 4: as well. You got Julian Blackman back, but what are

1071
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 4: you getting beyond him? So I have some concerns there.

1072
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 4: But as long as Anthony Richardson stays healthy. And there's

1073
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 4: a whole part of Shane Steichen's playbook that we haven't

1074
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 4: really seen, so because of that, I mean, I think

1075
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 4: they're gonna they're the second best team of the division,

1076
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 4: just projection wise.

1077
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: So all right, well, Ben Arthur, you are a wealth

1078
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: of nowledge about the AFC South. He is the AFC

1079
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: South reporter for foxsports dot Com and on the Fox

1080
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: Sports App. Read all of his great work there. Ben,

1081
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: thanks so much for taking some time with us here

1082
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: today on the Official Cults Podcast. We will be sure

1083
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: to have you back on at some point as we

1084
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: look ahead to the twenty twenty four season.

1085
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 2: Appreciate you having me JJ, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Ben Arthur. Good stuff. Obviously, some great quarterback

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Speaker 3: play across the AFC South end. A couple of years ago,

1088
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Speaker 3: we were like, but people are making fun of this

1089
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Speaker 3: division when it comes to the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, it's two years ago.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. It was like. But now you

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Speaker 3: look at this across the board and we got oh

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00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 3: my god, Trevor Lawrence as signing for a long time,

1094
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 3: gonna stay in Jacksonville. We know what CJ's doing. Will

1095
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 3: Levis is the answer down to Tennessee. Obviously, Anthony Richardson

1096
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Speaker 3: cannot wait. But a great job to Ben Arthur and

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Speaker 3: to you on that. Find out more at colts dot

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00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 3: com all the latest information, especially from this week. With

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00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 3: Wednesday being open, we're gonna that'll be tomorrow. You're gonna

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Speaker 3: have some latest and greatest from the OTAs. JJ you'll

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Speaker 3: be on and I know L you'll be covering it

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to get into some recular reckless rather predictions

1105
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 3: where not we may get in trouble, we probably will

1106
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 3: get in trouble.

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00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 6: Makes it reckless.

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00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: It's because it's may. What makes it reckless is like

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00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: it's way too early to do this, but let's do

1110
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: it anyway.

1111
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 3: I'm going to start and set the pace, not to

1112
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 3: steal a term from the brickyard over there, but I'm

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00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 3: going to set the pace and say, Anthony Richardson four

1114
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 3: games under his belt is a rookie. As a rookie

1115
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 3: last year, I'm saying my reckless prediction is the off

1116
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 3: the offensive rookie of the year last year was c J.

1117
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 3: Stroud with over forty one hundred yards, twenty three tds,

1118
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 3: five interceptions, one hundred point eight qb are my reckless

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00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 3: prediction is Anthony Richardson's twenty twenty four stats will better CJ.

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Speaker 3: Stroud's rookie campaign where he won the Rookie of the Year.

1121
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 3: But I'm saying a healthy Anthony Richardson will put up

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00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 3: better numbers than c J. Stroud did in his first

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00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 3: season with that.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty reckless because CJ. Stroud is pretty good. No

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00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: disrespect to Anthony nothing. Okay, all right, what I'm saying

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00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: in a year you want a year?

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00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 3: That's a year.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. What Anthony actually hasn't

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00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: given us a reason to believe that if he is

1130
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: healthy for an entire season he won't be great. We haven't.

1131
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 1: He's not given us a reason yet.

1132
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 6: So my prediction Anthony Richardson comeback player of the year.

1133
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 3: Boo, love it, love it.

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00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 5: He's sharing a quarterback room with last year's comeback player

1135
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 5: of the year.

1136
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, what better Joe Flacco, who maybe was the biggest

1137
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: upset winning comeback player of the Year over DeMar Hamlin

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Speaker 1: last year. Okay, my reckless prediction, this isn't that record.

1139
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: I should maybe go a little more reckless. Jonathan Taylor

1140
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: is gonna have a twelve and twelve year next year.

1141
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 1: Twelve hundred yards, twelve touchdowns on the ground. Last year,

1142
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: there's only one player in the NFL. Who doesn't observatively reckless?

1143
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: It does except last year. Last year there was only

1144
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: one player. There's only one player who had over twelve

1145
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: hundred rushing yards over twelve and twelve and more touchdowns.

1146
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 1: It was Christian McCaffrey.

1147
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 3: That's right, I'm laughing at So can we have a

1148
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 3: new segment? I mean, not a new segment, but a

1149
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 3: new there's reckless predictions and there's conservatively reckless, which one is. Okay,

1150
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 3: that's not bad though, I'm looking at it them.

1151
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: When I was looking at this kind of general, when

1152
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: I was looking at this yesterday, I was like, there's

1153
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,439
Speaker 1: only one player who went twelve and twelve last year.

1154
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: I think Jonathan Taylor can do it this year. And

1155
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: then that as I was saying, and I'm like, is

1156
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: that really that reckless? Should I go like fourteen and fourteen?

1157
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 4: Like?

1158
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: How nuts should we go here?

1159
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1160
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: I meant twenty a couple years. That's a thing too.

1161
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 5: When we're talking about position groups, like a sneaky interesting

1162
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 5: position group, is that running back Jonathan Taylor behind Jonathan Taylor?

1163
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 5: It is wide open because Zach Moss is now in Cincinnati.

1164
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 5: Trey Sermon Evan Hole. Like, I mean, that group is

1165
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 5: going to be very compelling to see how they split

1166
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 5: reps getting into training camp and what that rotation looks like,

1167
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 5: and those compliments that you need to have surrounding Jonathan

1168
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 5: Taylor because you had such a good one.

1169
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 6: With JT and Zach Moss and you knew what you had.

1170
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 5: You know, do you have that tandem of sorts with

1171
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 5: JT and Trey Sermon with Evan Hole being a different

1172
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 5: style of weapon Tyler Goodson, of course, Like I mean,

1173
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 5: there are a lot of guys you know in that rotation.

1174
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: So great, did you know? By the way, this is

1175
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: this is kind of going into the whole running back thing.

1176
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: But last year there are only twelve running backs to

1177
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: have over one thousand rushing yards. In two thousand and

1178
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: three there were eighteen. Wow, to hit that mark.

1179
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 3: Games change a little two thousand and three.

1180
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, how about you want to go back to like

1181
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three. Let's just keep going back further here.

1182
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 6: It has to be the emergence of dual threat quarterbacks, right,

1183
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 6: I mean, just.

1184
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's more that there's not the bellcow running

1185
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: back anymore. That that position doesn't is not as prevalent

1186
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: olthough I guess in nineteen ninety three they're only eleven,

1187
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: so I don't know. Maybe I'm maybe I'm not onto something.

1188
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 3: Can we stop for a minute and go over bellcow again?

1189
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 3: Which I love that term before Jay, What you're are

1190
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 3: you saying at the fair? Like the best cow they give, they.

1191
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: Put the bell. That's a really good point. I've never

1192
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: actually thought about the origin of that.

1193
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 5: Here, Okay, I'm going to go out on a limb

1194
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 5: and this is I'm going to go back to my

1195
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 5: you know, my grandparents born and raised in Tennessee, living

1196
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 5: on farms and all that, isn't it. The one that

1197
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 5: wears the bell is like the leader of the herd,

1198
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 5: kind of like like that's the one here's.

1199
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Speaker 1: You're talking to, like a tried and true city slicker.

1200
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: So I have no idea.

1201
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 5: The one that's ringing the bell is like leading. That's

1202
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,919
Speaker 5: what everyone responds to and congregates around.

1203
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 3: I think bell cow meaning caw.

1204
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 6: The herd yea the lead cown.

1205
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 5: I would have the State Fair bell attached to a

1206
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 5: call around its next so that the herd can be

1207
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 5: located easily.

1208
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 3: Not many times do we do impressions hold hold on,

1209
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 3: hold on, here is a Wisconsin guy, So, like does

1210
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:49,439
Speaker 3: the bell cow?

1211
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: Is that like the best Holstein in the milk cow group?

1212
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: Great Colin says, yes so, and the leader of the herd.

1213
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 6: Thank you.

1214
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: We're sponding cow where.

1215
00:58:59,320 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 6: That's what I know.

1216
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: If I'm asking questions about cows, I'm probably going to

1217
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: the Wisconsin guy.

1218
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 3: Okay, you have to be over fifty years old to

1219
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 3: enjoy this. I'm starting a new segments called Impressions by Gorman.

1220
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 3: But this is the other time. It's one and done.

1221
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,439
Speaker 1: But we once got we once got what a one

1222
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: star review on Apple podcasts due to the impressions.

1223
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 3: So let's go. This one's going lower than this. But

1224
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 3: I used to watch a guy call college football and

1225
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 3: his name was Keith Jackson, and in my opinion, was

1226
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 3: the greatly good all the time. And he would say

1227
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 3: and they'd go over the starting lineups and he would

1228
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 3: doing this a bad impression of it. He go and

1229
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 3: finally there's advanced Gardner White from Baylor who is six

1230
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 3: foot seven three and fourteen pounds and he wears the

1231
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 3: cow bell. So that's what when you said it, that's

1232
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 3: where I got the cow bell from. Because cow Bell

1233
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 3: running backs. But you're what you said, and I agree

1234
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 3: with you kind of the leader of the pack.

1235
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: Can I get a no doctor and your Keith Jackson.

1236
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 3: Voice O doctor fumber ramover Michigan's own it.

1237
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: Anyway, we at least were three starts in a podcast.

1238
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: Pretty bad.

1239
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 3: But we'll have to get Matt Taylor in here. That'll critique.

1240
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 6: But Matt Taylor and the impressions I'm.

1241
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 3: Telling you what Reckless Predictions is going to be a thing.

1242
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 3: I'm saying right now, you guys can overrule meek. Let's

1243
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 3: come back next week with another segment of records predicting.

1244
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 3: Right we're in and that means you WHOA, that means you,

1245
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 3: That means at Lara Overton, that means at JJ Stankowitz.

1246
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 3: I'm at hey Gorman, do you agree with reckless Predictions?

1247
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 6: Huh?

1248
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: Hit for some of the YouTube comments here. If I

1249
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: see one that I like in there, I'll I'll bring

1250
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: it up. I got you, I got what you.

1251
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 3: Guys are talking is spinning in my head and stuffing.

1252
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 3: Sorry I'm spinning in my head again. I'm like, I

1253
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 3: got one for stiking. Okay, well, I got one the

1254
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 3: offensive line. Okay, I got one for there, I got

1255
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 3: one for there. So I'm saying this may be a

1256
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 3: couple of things. We can get this sponsored, look out,

1257
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 3: look Out. If we can get a sponsored how about

1258
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 3: it a sponsored from a dairy farm in Wisconsin, the

1259
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 3: Bear Kyle. All right, big game in the garden.

1260
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: Hey, let's get let's get it sponsored by a beer

1261
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: you can't even buy here.

1262
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 3: Perfect something in Wisconsin. All right, No reckless predictions, But

1263
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 3: tonight it starts in the Goden, give me your prediction

1264
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 3: tonight what happens? I think I might have asked you earlier,

1265
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 3: but say it one more time for me. Tonight, they

1266
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 3: get in, they get out. They got to win one

1267
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 3: of these two on the road, right, Lara, you.

1268
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: Do you do?

1269
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 4: Uh?

1270
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 5: I'm going to say Celtics get game one, Pacers game too.

1271
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. So I think I think Celtic's probably

1272
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: Game one, and then you're going to see about a

1273
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: thirty point performance out of Miles Turner game.

1274
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 3: Let's go.

1275
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: Oh that's you want a prediction.

1276
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 3: There, you got reckless. I like what you're talking about.

1277
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 3: Gold Pacers. It's a big one tonight and this city

1278
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:33,919
Speaker 3: is a buzz obviously with the five hundred. But let's

1279
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 3: not forget our Colts are in OTAs and training camp

1280
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 3: is right around the corner. Colts dot com has all

1281
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 3: the information you lead you need rather and if you

1282
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 3: want to follow on Twitter, do it. The best in

1283
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 3: the business for this club is right there at Larra

1284
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 3: Overton at JJ's Thankovitz, guys, it's fun. More reckless predictions.

1285
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 6: And talking to me in our bell count Thanky.

1286
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 3: I'm not the bellcout, but I appreciate. I'm just riding

1287
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 3: code tails loving it. Hey, more to go over We're

1288
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 3: gonna talk to you on social media. Don't forget about

1289
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 3: Colts and at JJ at Lara Olverton, let us know

1290
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 3: what you think. And I want some reckless predictions, guys.

1291
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 6: Or suggestions for more Gorman impressions.

1292
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 3: There are bad Gorman impressions. I'm up for it, guys.

1293
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 3: That was fun. Anything on the way out, anything that

1294
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 3: pot of award.

1295
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: Gonna win the five hundred this weekend WoT award.

1296
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 6: Kenny Moore would be happy.

1297
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: He would be I would also be happy. I've just

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Speaker 1: decided I'm gonna root for Potto this week.

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01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 3: I'm going l e oh and what the heck, I'll

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Speaker 3: go leoh, because he's got five right, is he even

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01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 3: running in this one?

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01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: He's running. I'm going ell yeah, I do it.

1304
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 3: Okay, great, who you like Mika Hocking and Mica Hocking

1305
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 3: in greatest name in.

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01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:44,439
Speaker 1: Sports his name, Colin says, Sting Ray Ros, Stingray Rob. Yeah,

1307
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: that's right.

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01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 3: That is a great call. Good luck to all the

1309
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 3: racers out there because we've got a great weekend happening.

1310
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 3: Obviously Sunday Rays, but a lot going on. Go Pacers,

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Speaker 3: go five hundred, Go colts for Lara, for JJ. I'm

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Speaker 3: Jeffrey Gorman. We'll talk to you next week.

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Speaker 5: Tum