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Speaker 1: Straining live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. On a very brisk, forty three degree
Speaker 1: morning here in Frisco, Texas. It is time for another
Speaker 1: edition of Talking Cowboys. Vicky will say, what's the temperature outside?
Speaker 1: It's forty three inside? It feels like forty three to
Speaker 1: you make except that's not raining in here. It's not
Speaker 1: and it's not raining outside now too. The sky is
Speaker 1: beginning to clear, and we're finally getting through our bye
Speaker 1: week blues, and it's almost time to start Giants Week.
Speaker 1: But it is another day off of the players today,
Speaker 1: because of course, the Cowboys play Monday night football this week,
Speaker 1: and so the actual workweek starts on a Thursday. But
Speaker 1: there's so much to get to here on Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Sorry I couldn't be here yesterday. I had some issues
Speaker 1: with attire on the way in. And five hundred fifty
Speaker 1: dollars and two tires later, I'm here and we're good
Speaker 1: all okay, Yes, the cough button is off. This team
Speaker 1: had all these days off and they need another one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's up with that? When was the last time you
Speaker 1: had five of the last six days off? That's every
Speaker 1: day for Mickey, Mickey, Mickey's figure that out, right, Mickey,
Speaker 1: do you need a CBA the collective bargaining agreement where
Speaker 1: you can get five out of six days off? I do, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: then I'm with you on that. Make you whatever you
Speaker 1: need help on that, I'm with you, all right, very good?
Speaker 1: All right, let's get into what did not transpire on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: because when you left the air three hours before trade
Speaker 1: deadline time yesterday, things were starting to cook. There were
Speaker 1: reports out there that things are happening. This could be
Speaker 1: the busiest trade deadline day in recent memory. Helped Jerry
Speaker 1: sat on the radio. Anything is possible, anything that helps
Speaker 1: fuel the fire. And then NFL network needs some viewers too,
Speaker 1: and so let's fuel them. Send some tweets out, let's go,
Speaker 1: let's get on this. And what happened? Nothing, not a lot,
Speaker 1: nothing here and I keep to lead went earlier in
Speaker 1: the day. But that was Yeah, that's fun when you
Speaker 1: can you know, we've seen this though, teams have kind
Speaker 1: of and I was just going to ask this question,
Speaker 1: We feel like that teams have a better management of
Speaker 1: the cap. It used to be a time when you
Speaker 1: always were up against the cap and you couldn't make
Speaker 1: trades and stuff like that. Do you think teams have
Speaker 1: more cap space now which has allowed them the flexibility
Speaker 1: to think about making more trades Because we went like say,
Speaker 1: eight ten years ago, where we weren't making any trade,
Speaker 1: I mean from the start of the season until the
Speaker 1: trade deadline, and I think there's been like a hundred trades. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just kind of feel like player trades. Teams have
Speaker 1: more space and more flexibility to do that. Plus teams
Speaker 1: are also just given up on guys, you know. I
Speaker 1: mean they're just saying, okay, fine, if you you know
Speaker 1: you want this guy, sure. I mean, we thought he
Speaker 1: was a building block piece two three years ago, but
Speaker 1: he obviously he's not. So it started to look like
Speaker 1: speaking of Baseball Game seven at night, there there are
Speaker 1: more firesale type activity you're seeing from teams now. The
Speaker 1: Jets didn't trade everybody, but there was talk that, look,
Speaker 1: they're out of it, they're rebuilding. They might be looking
Speaker 1: to move some guys, and yeah, Brian's I was asking
Speaker 1: Mickey yesterday, why why is there more movement? Why? Why
Speaker 1: do you think, so, Ryan, that could be it rookie
Speaker 1: salary tracks aren't as massive as they used to be.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're just more movable. I don't know you had
Speaker 1: you had another thought, Mick, right, Yeah. I think that's
Speaker 1: the way teams have been structuring contracts. The signing bonuses
Speaker 1: haven't been as high, and they've been putting roster bonuses
Speaker 1: in there instead that are payable year by year by year.
Speaker 1: And if those aren't guaranteed like the signing bonuses, then
Speaker 1: trading a player's contract is more feasible because when you
Speaker 1: trade a guy, the pro ration that's left over on
Speaker 1: the signing bonus immediately escalates into your salary cap. So
Speaker 1: the signing bonuses now have been lower and the roster
Speaker 1: bonuses have been higher, and so now trading a guy
Speaker 1: isn't as punitive against the salary cap as it had
Speaker 1: been previously. And this has been the structure of contracts
Speaker 1: these last two years. That's where they've gone to. So
Speaker 1: I think that has a lot to do with it,
Speaker 1: because if you trade a player with three years left
Speaker 1: on his contract and say each of those years the
Speaker 1: peroration is five million dollars. Immediately you get fifteen million
Speaker 1: dollars sent in to your salary cap. But now with
Speaker 1: the way they do it with roster bonus, it's a
Speaker 1: different story. So I think it makes it easier to
Speaker 1: pull off trades and couple that with a healthy league
Speaker 1: where you know, the salary cap is every year it's
Speaker 1: going up by at least ten million dollars every year.
Speaker 1: Kind of feel like though that teams, like, you know,
Speaker 1: trades or draft picks have always been like currency. Though,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, do you still do you feel like though
Speaker 1: that teams are kind of looking at that and saying,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, now, if we can get a known
Speaker 1: commodity right now that these picks, you know, these picks aren't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand using it as to get the picks,
Speaker 1: but do you think teams are more willing to part
Speaker 1: with you know, just talking about this organization, the fact
Speaker 1: that they were willing to part with potentially another first
Speaker 1: round pick in order to get a player. So do
Speaker 1: you feel like though that, hey, we understand what this
Speaker 1: player is, we would rather have this player much like
Speaker 1: what they did with the Maari Cooper last year. That's
Speaker 1: where I was going. I think the age of the
Speaker 1: player has a lot to do whether this team is
Speaker 1: going to give up a first round pick. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's case by case, right, because they looked at
Speaker 1: Amari and they said, well, he's been in the league
Speaker 1: a few years, but he's and hasn't reached his prime yet.
Speaker 1: And okay, if we went and drafted a receiver who's
Speaker 1: twenty one or twenty two, okay, that's not much younger,
Speaker 1: and we know exactly what this young guy is like
Speaker 1: you said, Yeah, and since compensatory picks are tradeable too,
Speaker 1: that helps as far as more things that you can
Speaker 1: throw at him in a trade. Sure, that helps U
Speaker 1: facilitate a trade, all right, which takes us to you
Speaker 1: know what I was gonna say, what Rob said about
Speaker 1: the rookie salaries with the lower base salaries, and we
Speaker 1: can take an instant from yesterday, am I it's okay
Speaker 1: for me to say his name? Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, yeah, going and Getty Boddy in trouble.
Speaker 1: I think we're past that. Jamal Adams base salaries for
Speaker 1: this year with seven hundred and thirty five thousand, So
Speaker 1: that's what you inherit base salary for next year was
Speaker 1: going to be seven hundred six, six hundred and forty
Speaker 1: five this year, seven hundred and thirty five next year,
Speaker 1: and then you would have the ability to put the
Speaker 1: fifth year option on them also, so you would have
Speaker 1: two and a half seasons of control for very little money.
Speaker 1: So with the rookie salaries, the way they're structuring those contracts,
Speaker 1: you're just trading for basically a minimum wage salary. So
Speaker 1: that makes it more feasible to make the trade. Now
Speaker 1: what you give up is another story. But you know,
Speaker 1: Brian's right, you know, with the draft picks, if you
Speaker 1: get a known commodity and you're sitting there going, well,
Speaker 1: how am I doing in the draft? Yeah? You know,
Speaker 1: un least you've got a may on what this guy
Speaker 1: has done previously. See okay, just to talk about the
Speaker 1: trade deadline and not so much about the Cowboys. Well, look,
Speaker 1: with the stubbornness of the Redskins did for them, I
Speaker 1: mean they could have got they could have held Cleveland
Speaker 1: up for a first round pick for Trent Williams, and
Speaker 1: Trent Williams has passed. What Mickey was talking about. I mean,
Speaker 1: he is a veteran player who has a pretty significant contract.
Speaker 1: But you know, the Redskins said, no, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: stubborn here and all that. And to me, that's where
Speaker 1: I don't quite understand organizations if you're willing to you know,
Speaker 1: if a player is just adamant, and this day and age,
Speaker 1: a player can come out and say I'm adam and
Speaker 1: I'm not playing for you. Look what happened with the
Speaker 1: guy go into the Rams, right, I mean, you know Ramsey,
Speaker 1: Ramsey back injury, birth of a child. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: he was just everything. It was every week there was
Speaker 1: something different, you know. And for them to get two
Speaker 1: first round picks for somebody that didn't want to want
Speaker 1: to be there, to me, that's that's smart. Now can
Speaker 1: they do something with it. We've seen Cleveland in the
Speaker 1: past take a bunch of picks and stuff like that
Speaker 1: and not do anything to really help their team. You
Speaker 1: have to be able to draft well. But I you know,
Speaker 1: to me, I don't I don't understand how teams just
Speaker 1: sit there and say we're just gonna hold on to
Speaker 1: this player unless they just do not want to set
Speaker 1: presidents of you know, of we're just not going to
Speaker 1: have every player that's gonna bitch and moan get walk
Speaker 1: his way out or trade his way out her or
Speaker 1: talk his way out of it. Yeah, because the line
Speaker 1: starts outside the door. Yeah, once you do one, and
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, well, I'd like to do it too.
Speaker 1: And you see it more in the NBA because there's
Speaker 1: a bigger gap between the halves and the have nots,
Speaker 1: Like teams are willing to just start over because we're
Speaker 1: not anywhere close to a title contention. This guy doesn't
Speaker 1: want to be here. We'll get some draft picks and
Speaker 1: we'll continue to rebuild. In the NFL, I mean, you've
Speaker 1: got more of an opportunity a year to year if
Speaker 1: you want to hang onto a guy San Francisco, to
Speaker 1: just hand there and we might be a better team
Speaker 1: next year at more favorable schedule whatever. Which well, and
Speaker 1: the Redskins knew Trent Williams was over a barrel because
Speaker 1: he needed to show up if he wasn't gonna get
Speaker 1: a year. Yeah, but he's not gonna play. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: may not play, but yeah, I mean so where the
Speaker 1: Redskins there? We see, But that's the whole thing. The
Speaker 1: Redskins are not getting the players as let's see, it's
Speaker 1: an hour, I mean, and at one o'clock we'll see
Speaker 1: if you practices, he's not you know, think so now
Speaker 1: why not? I thought that there's a report that he
Speaker 1: was going to report right now. But I'm interested, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm following up. He's just showed up to because not
Speaker 1: to lose that year, and he's not. In fact, I
Speaker 1: think I saw a report earlier that he's not playing
Speaker 1: in a practice or not playing to play well. But
Speaker 1: then they'll just put him on reason and it's gonna
Speaker 1: it's just the start of the story. Really. Yeah, see, Okay,
Speaker 1: if he refuses then too. That's another there's my argument
Speaker 1: about my argument, there's my once again belief of what
Speaker 1: Bruce Allen is doing in that team. You know, I mean,
Speaker 1: if they're gonna have a new coach, you know, why
Speaker 1: not go into this with you know, who knows what
Speaker 1: Cleveland's record's going to be? Ill I would tell you know,
Speaker 1: if I have a player that's not you know, has
Speaker 1: no intention of playing with me at all, then I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm the same way. But I want to just kind
Speaker 1: of tie it into what Dallas. I mean, Dallas was
Speaker 1: you know, Dallas was committed to moving another first round pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm I'm okay with that if that's if that's
Speaker 1: what it takes to try and make your team a
Speaker 1: little bit better, you know, to go out and get
Speaker 1: a big time player by all means, do what you
Speaker 1: have to do. Because it paid off last year, Sure
Speaker 1: it did, and they're right firmly in the mix here
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, not next year. So yeah, and there's
Speaker 1: a player like Nicky's talking about control for three years
Speaker 1: and then you know, two years good money and then
Speaker 1: and then a fifth year option and then the possibility
Speaker 1: of extending him beyond that, what if you suffer a
Speaker 1: catastrophic injury that you need that first round pick the
Speaker 1: next year. Well, when they made the Cooper trade last year,
Speaker 1: I think Stephen and Jerry said that, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't really see us doing this, making this a habit,
Speaker 1: because they to Brian's point, they do value those picks
Speaker 1: and they've been very been I have it though, Well
Speaker 1: they've been very successful making those picks too, So I
Speaker 1: understand that line of thinking. But you know, you're if
Speaker 1: you try to go I'm gonna asked this the catastrophic injury.
Speaker 1: What do we ask go ask Dave Campbell when he
Speaker 1: loses Troy Aikman and they don't have the first round pick,
Speaker 1: there's no question to get Yeah, nicky, but we were
Speaker 1: terrible at our Joe, No, I know, but that doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: We didn't do a good job then, but it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You didn't have a first round pick. We didn't have
Speaker 1: money have a first round pick when we were terrible.
Speaker 1: We were terrible at our jobs. So I never know
Speaker 1: what's gonna come up though in the next nine weeks,
Speaker 1: and the issue there was given up the two first
Speaker 1: round picks. Yeah, because your first round pick could have
Speaker 1: bone out of knee too, it had you lost another
Speaker 1: player the guy brought his knee. We traded for right
Speaker 1: what I mean, he blew, but the first round pick
Speaker 1: could have also, ye, and I gave up second first
Speaker 1: round pick. I mean same with Roy Williams. It was
Speaker 1: the eighteenth pick and then the seventh overall pick. That's
Speaker 1: that's bad football right there. That's bad football. What you
Speaker 1: love about the Cooper trade though last year, I know
Speaker 1: it's panned out. It's hindsight, but at the time, what
Speaker 1: was the glaring need. We probably would have been their
Speaker 1: number one pick, most likely a wide receiver wide receiver,
Speaker 1: and it helped you evaluate your young quarterback. Now you
Speaker 1: can love you just think a habit of doing that,
Speaker 1: because some point it's gonna bite you. I mean is
Speaker 1: it would would a strong safety turn your season around
Speaker 1: the way the wide receiver did. Mickey, I would go
Speaker 1: on record, and I'll do it right now because I
Speaker 1: was on with Nat and them yesterday. I would have
Speaker 1: compared this too. And this is just me, Mickey, this
Speaker 1: is just me. I would have compared that this going
Speaker 1: out and getting a defensive player like this caliber of
Speaker 1: a player to what you did offensively with Amari Cooper
Speaker 1: because I'm banking on. I'm banking on to help my
Speaker 1: defense from years to come. I feel good about my
Speaker 1: inside linebackers Smith and vander esh and so now I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try and put somebody behind them. I think all
Speaker 1: really good defenses are really good up the middle. I
Speaker 1: just think that good defensive teams Mickey always talks about
Speaker 1: playing the run, which is exactly right. If you have
Speaker 1: that ability to kind of control things in the middle,
Speaker 1: it makes your defense even that much better. And I
Speaker 1: would have taken a chance. I would have taken that
Speaker 1: chance with moving A one to say, Okay, I'm going
Speaker 1: to go get a guy that's going to help me
Speaker 1: in the middle, but also solidify what's going on with
Speaker 1: as part of vander esh and Smith, and then I'll
Speaker 1: try and fix, you know, I'll try and fix what's
Speaker 1: going on at defensive tackle. So maybe without a first
Speaker 1: round pick, I can't fix what Mickey wants me to
Speaker 1: do at defensive tackle. But I understand his point. I
Speaker 1: do understand this point. I was comparing it though to
Speaker 1: this would be the defensive move of Amari Cooper. That's
Speaker 1: how I was That's how I do and I understand
Speaker 1: what you're saying. Yeah, I'm just saying that getting that
Speaker 1: player wouldn't turn four and three into eight and one
Speaker 1: on the second half. It would not have that impact.
Speaker 1: Is it just turned three and five into seven and one?
Speaker 1: Is it the Is it the position, Mickey, or is
Speaker 1: it the player? That's all I think. The position would
Speaker 1: not have that big of an impact, even if you
Speaker 1: had the best player in the league at that position.
Speaker 1: I just my point, yeah, and that's a fair point.
Speaker 1: The thing I saw was when the Jets played the
Speaker 1: Cowboys who affected the game on the final play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that's all. That's That's what I'm based in my
Speaker 1: but and it's it, you know, where you got to
Speaker 1: get a two point conversion and who they sent They
Speaker 1: sent him on a blitz and then what happened the
Speaker 1: next two weeks? They did not win, right, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think a lot of that has to do with the
Speaker 1: fact that their roster is not very good to begin with,
Speaker 1: and the shame on the Cowboys for losing that game,
Speaker 1: And you've pointed that out several times and rightfully. So
Speaker 1: I'm just saying though, on that particular player, and that's
Speaker 1: why I tied him into vander esh and Smith and
Speaker 1: those guys, just to try and solidify you know, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe you maybe he makes that game changing play that
Speaker 1: we saw him making the Jets game. Mickey's right, the
Speaker 1: Jets aren't good. They lose games, They have lost games.
Speaker 1: I don't think you could pin that all on on
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams. I think you could could could pin it
Speaker 1: on a front office that was even considering about moving him. Well,
Speaker 1: and the way I would look at it too, is
Speaker 1: the fact that you had two more years of control
Speaker 1: for him. I mean yeah, I think he'd make an
Speaker 1: impact this year. I don't know that it would have
Speaker 1: been the same impact like what Mickey's saying this year.
Speaker 1: That's fair to have it him going forward as a
Speaker 1: cornerstone of that defense and maybe first career who knows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know he's from here, all right. So so I
Speaker 1: would have given up a first round pick. I would
Speaker 1: have done the menk of Fitzpatrick deal, which was Dolphins
Speaker 1: gave the Steelers Fitzpatrick and I think it was a
Speaker 1: fifth and a six, six, and in return, the Steelers
Speaker 1: gave up a first, a fourth, and a seventh, okay,
Speaker 1: which is basically that that third day there's third day picks.
Speaker 1: They're basically a wash, a fourth and a seventh or
Speaker 1: a fifth and a sixth. Who cares, Yeah, you just
Speaker 1: always just off your practice squad to Detroit, right, Yeah, exactly, ye, Mike.
Speaker 1: And and on one of the big differences. Fitzpatrick was
Speaker 1: a draft pick last year, eleventh pick of the draft
Speaker 1: last year. Adams was the sixth pick the year before.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean you got even more control with Fitzpatrick. Now,
Speaker 1: Mickey's not wrong, because you do need somebody in that room.
Speaker 1: It's going to say, okay, is is he going to
Speaker 1: be that difference maker to counteract some guy like me
Speaker 1: coming in there and saying, hey, we got to do
Speaker 1: this steal, don't we don't we have to do the steal.
Speaker 1: Let me quickly add the Jets were not going to
Speaker 1: take that deal either, obviously, No. And I don't think
Speaker 1: they really wanted to trade, right. It didn't sound like
Speaker 1: they were. Now, if I was trading that for Darren Woodson,
Speaker 1: then I'd do it. See, And I think that's a
Speaker 1: great I think that is a great example. I think
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams is Darren Woodson. He can't cover in the slot.
Speaker 1: I don't even think. No. I think, not not so
Speaker 1: much how he plays, but his impact. He impacts the game.
Speaker 1: Different fact that Darren Woodson makes to me, to me
Speaker 1: that where he can coverage, Darren Woodson was a slot player,
Speaker 1: no question about that. Darren Woodson at Arizona State was
Speaker 1: a two hundred and twelve pound linebacker that played his
Speaker 1: ass off. I mean, what a great player he was,
Speaker 1: and what a great player in the NFL he was,
Speaker 1: There's no question about that. I think where you you
Speaker 1: get similarities is the physicality which they played the tackling
Speaker 1: ability which they played, the leadership that which the way
Speaker 1: they play. You know, I think there's similarities there. I
Speaker 1: think you're talking about a rare player. You know, there's
Speaker 1: the rare players that played in this league. Gets safety
Speaker 1: ed Reid. You would have never if we all sat
Speaker 1: down and watched ed Reid's college tape together at Miami,
Speaker 1: you would have said, what, he's a Hall of Fame player.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't see this. I mean, I can't
Speaker 1: tell you how many times I had to point I
Speaker 1: was responsible for pointing out where the players were with
Speaker 1: a red with a laser, and Jerry would go where
Speaker 1: is he? And I would three feet off the right
Speaker 1: of the screen. I would point the dot there because
Speaker 1: he was never in the screen. So yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I think there's evaluations of these guys. There's things, there's
Speaker 1: things that Darren Woodson could do that nobody else could do. Right,
Speaker 1: So I think that's a comparison in itself. That's kind
Speaker 1: of a man You're comparing a guy that I think
Speaker 1: is rare to a guy who I think has some
Speaker 1: rare ability, you know, And Mickey's right, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're training if you're giving up a
Speaker 1: first round pick for Darren Woodson. Absolutely, absolutely. It's just
Speaker 1: interesting because they just haven't invested a ton in that
Speaker 1: position for years. I mean, they had every guy on
Speaker 1: the board at safety that you could have drafted in
Speaker 1: this draft, with the exception of Abraham the kid from
Speaker 1: Mississippi State who went to the Oakland Raiders in the
Speaker 1: end of the first round, and so they had every
Speaker 1: opportunity to draft, uh, you know, all those guys, and
Speaker 1: they they didn't. They drafted Tristan Hill, you know, it
Speaker 1: was their guy. So uh, either there is a there's
Speaker 1: a a thought about safeties. But again, if it's if
Speaker 1: they were willing to trade for a first for this
Speaker 1: type of a player, maybe I'm wrong making that Annaly.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that observation. Yeah, I don't it's probably too
Speaker 1: generalized to say, oh, they don't value that position. That's
Speaker 1: not I mean, it's got to be a case by
Speaker 1: case thing. I just said, they haven't spent high draft
Speaker 1: picks there and they haven't spent a lot of money
Speaker 1: there in general. The last few years. They found Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods in the sixth round and turned out to be
Speaker 1: a nice you have to kick named Tony Dixon in
Speaker 1: the second round from Alabama. Two. Yeah. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: right here at the start of yea kind you're sitting here,
Speaker 1: you know, I think he works for Freed to Lay, Okay, PepsiCo,
Speaker 1: Freed to Lay. I talked to him, saw him. Uh yeah.
Speaker 1: You know. There's there's time where you just think, okay,
Speaker 1: spend a pick on this, spend a pick on this,
Speaker 1: and those guys don't work out. And maybe again, I
Speaker 1: think this was if they were going after this guy,
Speaker 1: it was going to be about they felt like that
Speaker 1: he was a young enough guy the contract control, and
Speaker 1: then also too that he is he is a good
Speaker 1: enough player that he could have made a difference in
Speaker 1: the secondary. All right, we need to take a break
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Speaker 1: Star will be hosting the top two Madden players as
Speaker 1: a face off in the EA Sports Madden NFL twenty
Speaker 1: Club Championship presented by Spire. That is November ninth, Tostitos
Speaker 1: Championship plazas the Cowboys return home to play the Minnesota Vika.
Speaker 1: A dramatic pause Like Mickey, I had the dramatic pause
Speaker 1: because it said after the event, I was planning to
Speaker 1: go to the next portion of the Senates and then
Speaker 1: it said after the event festivities. I think it was
Speaker 1: a pregnant pause, yes, dramatic. I asked Mick if he
Speaker 1: was in that top two ranking for Madden. He said, no,
Speaker 1: not this year, maybe next year. Have you played Madden? No?
Speaker 1: Have you? Have you played Madden? Occasional? Going on here occasionally.
Speaker 1: I just love the idea of you know, can you
Speaker 1: imagine if Madden would have come along when I was
Speaker 1: in college, I would have never got a job. I
Speaker 1: would have been playing Madden NonStop. Yeah, but you probably
Speaker 1: would have earned a scholarship. That's right. That's just now
Speaker 1: it's going to be an NCA sport. Yea. And maybe
Speaker 1: and maybe they can pay those guys too. They're getting
Speaker 1: ready to that's right, to blow the entire sea. That's right.
Speaker 1: If Earl Thomas had was in the same boat that
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams is right now in his contract, at that
Speaker 1: point in his career, two years left, at his age whatever. Okay,
Speaker 1: would you what would you have given up for Earl Thomas?
Speaker 1: Talking about safety's impacts? Safety? Okay, So Earl Thomas is
Speaker 1: in his seconds, his third years, third year, so he would,
Speaker 1: and he would have two years left control left. Yeah. Man, see,
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna get called an lsu homer here because
Speaker 1: I think that Adams is a better was a better
Speaker 1: player in college. I really do. So I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: called lsu homer there. Now they're different players. There are
Speaker 1: different players, and one of them. I mean they are.
Speaker 1: But and I bring that up because Chris Richard is
Speaker 1: we got a field trip going. Yes, we do. Distractable
Speaker 1: player over here, A not very distracts right there for you.
Speaker 1: But look at the TV screen there can the people
Speaker 1: that are listening and watching, there is a field trip
Speaker 1: coming through behind the curtains over there. I would you're
Speaker 1: a distractable player, Mickey. You know what I think. I
Speaker 1: think he's still with Earl Thomas. I think you absolutely
Speaker 1: have to consider giving a one. Absolutely Earl Thomas is
Speaker 1: a free safety, I'd do it. Yeah, Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1: Not a strong So that was that's the difference. It's
Speaker 1: the free safety over the strong safety. Yes, okay, are
Speaker 1: you good? The value of the position, I mean so
Speaker 1: wait okay, now now now I get some clarification here.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go. So a free safety, you if
Speaker 1: if if Adams was a free safety, you would have
Speaker 1: given that. I would have considered it a lot stronger
Speaker 1: than a strong safety who I cannot put in the
Speaker 1: slot and help out in Nickel's situations covering somebody because
Speaker 1: he's not a cover guy. Is this like our argument
Speaker 1: about guards. I was getting ready to point that out
Speaker 1: until I remembered they used a first up Zach Martina.
Speaker 1: I just wondered, No, I mean, and I understand what
Speaker 1: you're saying, Mickey, but I mean I and that's a
Speaker 1: rare move rights. And that's the guard that's in the
Speaker 1: first round. That's my point when we talk about, okay,
Speaker 1: a safety or a guard or whatever, it's the player
Speaker 1: who's the player that's that's what kind of impact is
Speaker 1: that player have. That's kind of where I've I've that's
Speaker 1: where I've always felt like because the argument we had
Speaker 1: about paying Zeke and people were saying, you don't pay
Speaker 1: a running back, and I felt everybody on this panel
Speaker 1: made a really passionate plea for why you do, Because
Speaker 1: it's about the player. Yeah, it's not about the SS
Speaker 1: behind his name or the FB or the you know WR,
Speaker 1: It's not about that. It's about to me. It's about
Speaker 1: can the player is as one of the eleven? Can
Speaker 1: he be a difference mate? But let's let's remember if
Speaker 1: it had come down to a choice between Ryan Shazier
Speaker 1: and Zach Martin, they would have taken Shazier. That was
Speaker 1: that draft. That is very true. They didn't take Manzel's
Speaker 1: that was very grateful. Yeah, but that so the linebacker
Speaker 1: or a guard. They would have taken the linebacker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well because why because of the position or because they
Speaker 1: was rated higher? He was rated higher, one that's hit higher. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was spot I was going to shift the
Speaker 1: conversation to, Okay, well do we know draft show talk
Speaker 1: to I know it's early man ahead, Do we know
Speaker 1: what this team's still be there? Do we know what
Speaker 1: this team's composition would be at this point? Is it?
Speaker 1: Is it glaring? And they they've got a lot of
Speaker 1: prospective free agents coming up next year? I don't think
Speaker 1: we know that, And it really doesn't matter because it
Speaker 1: comes down to ultimately, who's the best player that's available
Speaker 1: to them wherever they pick next April? Is there a
Speaker 1: strange team? They're two best players are probably positions you
Speaker 1: would not draft a high A guard and a running back.
Speaker 1: I'd agree pound for pound, those are your two best players.
Speaker 1: Well think about this, so your wide receivers in there,
Speaker 1: of course, but I mean receiver. Let me get you know,
Speaker 1: what if what if you lose two cornerbacks? Would you
Speaker 1: take a safety over a cornerback? Byron Jones is going
Speaker 1: to be a free agent. Anthony Brown's going to be
Speaker 1: a free That's what I'm saying. There's a lot of decisions.
Speaker 1: My point is from a from a need standpoint, because
Speaker 1: we're talking about what's their biggest need. It could be cornerback, right,
Speaker 1: it depending on what you just lost the guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how well do we all feel about Jordan Lewis playing Lewis? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can change your mind after this year. Yeah, Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis can maybe change your mind in nine games? Okay maybe?
Speaker 1: Then who's your third you don't have one? Well, this
Speaker 1: is this is where yeah, and you don't have a
Speaker 1: you know in Byron Jones, Jordan Lewis going to step
Speaker 1: into his shoes. I don't know. Okay, what position would
Speaker 1: you draft first? Then? Is that what you're trying to say?
Speaker 1: I mean, we were talking about a glaring need for Yeah,
Speaker 1: next year going out there, I just throw out cornerback.
Speaker 1: So what if you need a cornerback and you used
Speaker 1: your first on a safety? My starting cornerback, Yeah, my
Speaker 1: starting cornerback, My left starting cornerback is a is a two.
Speaker 1: My my nickel corner was a sixth? Is that brown
Speaker 1: six had to perdue? Yeah? Right right? And then his
Speaker 1: backup it was a third out of Michigan, right correct?
Speaker 1: All right, kind of working that way. But here's are
Speaker 1: the starters a first? Yeah? My but my starter who
Speaker 1: was moved from safety to corner that's corner to safety
Speaker 1: to corner. Yeah. Yeah. Do you trust them maybe to
Speaker 1: address that position if need be beyond the first round?
Speaker 1: You think they can do? I mean I don't. I
Speaker 1: haven't looked in Okay, I don't class. Is Tristan Hill
Speaker 1: scaring me? Now? Is Tristan Hill scaring me? So? What? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean you got Bennett for two years? Yeah if
Speaker 1: you want, if you want him seven million next year? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Malak Collins is a free agent, I mean I
Speaker 1: want to I want to get I want to give
Speaker 1: Will McClay and those guys a lot of credit for drafting,
Speaker 1: because this roster is pretty good. The announce of tackle
Speaker 1: or a safety. Three techniques. Well, they told you last
Speaker 1: year they carried damn about nothing about that safety because
Speaker 1: at fifty eight they had every one of them on
Speaker 1: the board and they took a defensive tackle easier to
Speaker 1: get a defensive tackle at fifty eight. That can going
Speaker 1: to be a starter for you or I don't think
Speaker 1: they liked any of those safeties. Yeah, which is you know,
Speaker 1: and that's that's you know that they thought. By the way,
Speaker 1: they got that kid Jones from Green Bay on the
Speaker 1: practice squad, Josh Jones, Josh Jones's he started games in
Speaker 1: Green Bay. I finally recognized who he is. Did you
Speaker 1: push it out away at the salad bar or some
Speaker 1: try to get that clam chowder here? And I don't
Speaker 1: know that I've seen him in the locker and sitting
Speaker 1: at his locker. Yeah, but they they haven't, they haven't
Speaker 1: thought about even you know, he's and they and they
Speaker 1: can't get they can't get the kid from A and
Speaker 1: M on the field. And I don't think they're going
Speaker 1: to get the kid on the field of May and Am.
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, I think that they would go U.
Speaker 1: They would go with the Thompson before they'd go with
Speaker 1: the A and M. Kid. We had the same answer
Speaker 1: there in the millback today. It's based on experience and
Speaker 1: check out the milback. Yeah, yeah, Thompson showed them something
Speaker 1: when Xavier was out. Yeah, Wilson, Wilson's I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll see Wilson and until we get
Speaker 1: to Oxnard in twenty twenty, you know, unless there's an injury. Hey,
Speaker 1: where are the Cowboys going this weekend? New Jersey, New Jersey.
Speaker 1: It's close to New York. Let's go to James in
Speaker 1: New York. Okay, I'm talking Cowboys. Where he's going Bill
Speaker 1: in New York. That stated might as well be in Texas.
Speaker 1: It's such a pain to get to her. Oh no,
Speaker 1: but you know it's a lot easier. It's just it's
Speaker 1: just such a different You guys have been there terrible,
Speaker 1: you know, thank thank God recently. Yeah, James, go ahead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had two things. When one kind you guys kind
Speaker 1: of touched on is bab Jamal Addison over here. We
Speaker 1: got to talk about it. You know, I agree. I
Speaker 1: mean he's not a cover safety, he's not palame at
Speaker 1: Read or Earl Thomas, So I mean it will help
Speaker 1: out in the run game. But to me, the issue
Speaker 1: is more of like the back end, which leads me,
Speaker 1: you know, my second questions kind of a schematic question.
Speaker 1: I mean, broad us gonna help out with this. I'll try.
Speaker 1: You know, during the you know, the Jet game when
Speaker 1: they got beat on the Robbie Anderson touchdown and a
Speaker 1: similar play was run by Nelson Agilore even though it
Speaker 1: wasn't caught. U My question is, have they changed or
Speaker 1: looked or you know, done something in practice to not
Speaker 1: put Jeff Heath in that position, because it seems to me,
Speaker 1: I don't know why they do this. He's he makes
Speaker 1: his plays in the box. We don't agree with that.
Speaker 1: You know, he put around the line of scrimmage, you know, um,
Speaker 1: and seems like Woods, who actually had a pick in
Speaker 1: that game, should be the you know, you know, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't call him a ball hopping safety, but he played
Speaker 1: them pass a little bit better had they worked on that,
Speaker 1: because in this game, you know, you're going against Golden
Speaker 1: Tape and Slayton and you know Vernon, you know, a
Speaker 1: tight end. You know, Giants got a pretty good passing game,
Speaker 1: and you know Daniel Jones, although the rookie can throw
Speaker 1: the ball. You know. That really worries me because teams
Speaker 1: are going to exploit that until they figure out a
Speaker 1: way to stop that. And I can't figure out why
Speaker 1: they would do that. The heat, Yeah, you gotta answer
Speaker 1: that with Mickey. Well, I know what they did on
Speaker 1: that play, and they were both they they they flip
Speaker 1: flop spots. Yeah, you know they were. Woods was back,
Speaker 1: Heath was close. And then when the when they saw
Speaker 1: where the running back went, Woods went and got him
Speaker 1: and Heath backed up. And I still would like to
Speaker 1: know what happened because Jordan Lewis was on the slot
Speaker 1: receiver and then he'd let him go. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: kind of has Heath said, whoa, I got a guy
Speaker 1: running wide open down, Yeah, and all you gotta do
Speaker 1: is take two steps. And you saw what happened. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the other thing that happened on that play when
Speaker 1: they were in that type of formation, a Woozier should
Speaker 1: have backed off instead of being close in man coverage. Right,
Speaker 1: So there was a couple of things that went wrong
Speaker 1: on there. But unfortunately for Jeff Heath, he's the one
Speaker 1: chasing the ball after Woozier gets beat and it looks
Speaker 1: like well, it's his fault. Yeah, you know, let's him,
Speaker 1: that's the easy he's the whipping boy. Yeah, I am,
Speaker 1: and I would rather see Woods back there. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think that I think that we all would. I think
Speaker 1: that they sometimes because of what they do scheme while
Speaker 1: they try and create matchups where Okay, we're gonna match
Speaker 1: you with this guy with this guy, with this guy
Speaker 1: with this guy, and you know, Jeff Heath probably didn't
Speaker 1: fit into with the way that the Jets, you know,
Speaker 1: they had their tied end covered, you know, with somebody else.
Speaker 1: So okay, let's drop Heath. Let's give them a different
Speaker 1: look there, and again it bit him in the rear. Uh.
Speaker 1: Mickey's explanation was absolutely right. I do agree with James's call,
Speaker 1: right is that James, I do agree with him about
Speaker 1: Golden Tate, and I do agree with him about you know,
Speaker 1: those receivers. This Darius Slayton, I think that I think
Speaker 1: you also have to really consider this Daniel Jones move.
Speaker 1: I think has been really really good for the Giants.
Speaker 1: I know it hasn't translated into wins, but you're in
Speaker 1: a very similar situation to where you were with the
Speaker 1: Jets game. Young quarterback not afraid to throw the football,
Speaker 1: can throw it down the field has capable receivers, not
Speaker 1: big time receivers, But I would worry about the jet
Speaker 1: the Giants offensively, especially with that running back. Defensively, they
Speaker 1: haven't done anything different. That's still going to be a
Speaker 1: problem for them. But yeah, this game kid very well.
Speaker 1: Hinge on how well Daniel Jones, and then how well
Speaker 1: they're able to cover golden tap and then also Daris
Speaker 1: Slayton on those passes down the field. Let's get into
Speaker 1: more of that in a moment. There's another field trip
Speaker 1: coming through and make he's getting distracted. I wanted to
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Speaker 1: These reads are so different now that you know the backstory. Yes,
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Speaker 1: element now that you know the backstory. And that's why
Speaker 1: the Reds are so unge. I'm gonna get I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get hired to write their scripture. He didn't have to, boy,
Speaker 1: he didn't have talking points on that one. And he
Speaker 1: paused for two seconds there, like the hell he's going
Speaker 1: to say? But I was getting ready to laugh before
Speaker 1: I did. Now that you know that, Mickey just off
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Speaker 1: Uh huh. Yeah, let's go to Mike and Iowa here
Speaker 1: on talking Cowboys. Hello Mike, Yeah, Hi, how's it going? Hi, Mike? Good?
Speaker 1: Hey Micky. I'll make it quick. But I wanted you
Speaker 1: to know that, Uh, it's been a while since I
Speaker 1: went through my first opening game. First game, I made
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Speaker 1: list and I and I was up for four days
Speaker 1: and I had a really good time. I just wanted
Speaker 1: you to know that finally made us there and stuff. Mickey,
Speaker 1: way to go. But but here's my here's my questions, uh,
Speaker 1: my two questions. My first question you were bringing up
Speaker 1: about Jordan Lewis, do you think Jordan Lewis can cover Edelman,
Speaker 1: the wide receiver on the Patriots? And my second question
Speaker 1: is why isn't a Givon Austen in the slot like
Speaker 1: Beasley was? Because I believe that Devon Austen could be open.
Speaker 1: It was a quickness and speed and everything else. I'll
Speaker 1: hang up and lift and see what you guys say.
Speaker 1: But I have a good day, Thank you, all right,
Speaker 1: Mike Jordan Lewis versus Julian Edelman. Mick looks puzzled by
Speaker 1: these questions. I was puzzled. Yes, um, yeah, that'll that'll
Speaker 1: be a nice matro punk. The thing about with Edelman
Speaker 1: is you have to deal with that initial burst, that
Speaker 1: quickness right off the line, because where he's going to
Speaker 1: beat you as the first two or three steps, and
Speaker 1: then once he beat you on the first two or
Speaker 1: three steps, he's going to carry you through trash and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So to cover a guy like that,
Speaker 1: you how I think you have to get right on
Speaker 1: top of him. You have to be physical with him.
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis can do. Jordan Lewis is very competitive too.
Speaker 1: I would I give me the most competitive owner I've
Speaker 1: got and put him on Edelman because Edelman is going
Speaker 1: to frustrate you the way he plays. He might have
Speaker 1: ten targets, he might make seven catches. But the thing
Speaker 1: about him is you have to be physical with him.
Speaker 1: You have to be able to kind of knock him around,
Speaker 1: stay with him, don't get frustrated when he's running those
Speaker 1: routes on him because he is one of the best
Speaker 1: to ever play this game from that position and Tavon Austin. Oh,
Speaker 1: he meant. Tavon Austin got Randall Cobb man in the
Speaker 1: slot most of the time. I'll say it. Randall Cobb
Speaker 1: played his ass off against the New York Giants the
Speaker 1: last time in Week one. You go back and watch
Speaker 1: the game, remember the play. He caught the ball in
Speaker 1: the flat and stiff armed their cornerback. Who was at
Speaker 1: it was Hamilton, Antonio. Hamilton stiff armed that guy like
Speaker 1: four or five yards short from the sticks and was
Speaker 1: able to get the first down. The game was kind
Speaker 1: of like kind of kind of struggling along for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are down seven nothing, and then he caught a
Speaker 1: ball in the middle of the field that was behind him.
Speaker 1: They got a first down, kind of got the offense going,
Speaker 1: you know, on the second possession of the game. So
Speaker 1: I feel like though that to me, Austin, he's not
Speaker 1: the same. He's not the reliability, that's the rafty guy inside.
Speaker 1: He's more a top end speed. On the album, Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley has spent his lifetime is NFL lifetime perfecting the
Speaker 1: craft of yeah, running those right little option routes, a
Speaker 1: little quick routes. Yeah, and now if Tavan has been
Speaker 1: his entire career working on that. He could do that too,
Speaker 1: but he hasn't credit Beasley for being it for mastering that. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know, and Tavan does other stuff. So yeah, to
Speaker 1: answer this question, can do no problem playing Jordan Lewis on.
Speaker 1: But like I said, there's what three games before they
Speaker 1: even happened. We'll see it in a few weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Giants Minnesota Detroit and that one. So yeah, four weeks
Speaker 1: you'll see that. You'll see that matchup. All right. That
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