WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Different Giants Team? 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:10.480 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:21.840 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:25.720 Straining live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:38.320 Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips, 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:43.239 and Bill Jones. On a very brisk, forty three degree 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:46.800 morning here in Frisco, Texas. It is time for another 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:51.720 edition of Talking Cowboys. Vicky will say, what's the temperature outside? 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.320 It's forty three inside? It feels like forty three to 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:57.760 you make except that's not raining in here. It's not 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:00.640 and it's not raining outside now too. The sky is 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:04.039 beginning to clear, and we're finally getting through our bye 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:07.920 week blues, and it's almost time to start Giants Week. 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:10.080 But it is another day off of the players today, 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:14.320 because of course, the Cowboys play Monday night football this week, 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.720 and so the actual workweek starts on a Thursday. But 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:20.839 there's so much to get to here on Talking Cowboys. 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:23.600 Sorry I couldn't be here yesterday. I had some issues 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:27.400 with attire on the way in. And five hundred fifty 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:31.360 dollars and two tires later, I'm here and we're good 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:37.040 all okay, Yes, the cough button is off. This team 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:39.400 had all these days off and they need another one. Yeah, 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:40.959 what's up with that? When was the last time you 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:43.959 had five of the last six days off? That's every 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:50.280 day for Mickey, Mickey, Mickey's figure that out, right, Mickey, 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:53.720 do you need a CBA the collective bargaining agreement where 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:57.760 you can get five out of six days off? I do, okay, okay, 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.160 then I'm with you on that. Make you whatever you 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:03.480 need help on that, I'm with you, all right, very good? 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:08.440 All right, let's get into what did not transpire on Tuesday, 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:13.160 because when you left the air three hours before trade 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:18.040 deadline time yesterday, things were starting to cook. There were 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:21.440 reports out there that things are happening. This could be 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.320 the busiest trade deadline day in recent memory. Helped Jerry 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.400 sat on the radio. Anything is possible, anything that helps 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.960 fuel the fire. And then NFL network needs some viewers too, 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.760 and so let's fuel them. Send some tweets out, let's go, 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:39.360 let's get on this. And what happened? Nothing, not a lot, 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.959 nothing here and I keep to lead went earlier in 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:46.640 the day. But that was Yeah, that's fun when you 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.280 can you know, we've seen this though, teams have kind 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.519 of and I was just going to ask this question, 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:54.560 We feel like that teams have a better management of 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:56.800 the cap. It used to be a time when you 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:58.919 always were up against the cap and you couldn't make 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.880 trades and stuff like that. Do you think teams have 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:05.239 more cap space now which has allowed them the flexibility 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.600 to think about making more trades Because we went like say, 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.720 eight ten years ago, where we weren't making any trade, 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:13.400 I mean from the start of the season until the 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:17.000 trade deadline, and I think there's been like a hundred trades. Yeah, 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:19.120 I just kind of feel like player trades. Teams have 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:22.720 more space and more flexibility to do that. Plus teams 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.480 are also just given up on guys, you know. I 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:27.520 mean they're just saying, okay, fine, if you you know 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.840 you want this guy, sure. I mean, we thought he 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.160 was a building block piece two three years ago, but 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.560 he obviously he's not. So it started to look like 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:38.440 speaking of Baseball Game seven at night, there there are 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:42.720 more firesale type activity you're seeing from teams now. The 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.800 Jets didn't trade everybody, but there was talk that, look, 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.560 they're out of it, they're rebuilding. They might be looking 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:52.040 to move some guys, and yeah, Brian's I was asking 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.960 Mickey yesterday, why why is there more movement? Why? Why 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:59.320 do you think, so, Ryan, that could be it rookie 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.560 salary tracks aren't as massive as they used to be. 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.240 Maybe they're just more movable. I don't know you had 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:07.520 you had another thought, Mick, right, Yeah. I think that's 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:15.360 the way teams have been structuring contracts. The signing bonuses 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:19.560 haven't been as high, and they've been putting roster bonuses 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:23.640 in there instead that are payable year by year by year. 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:28.520 And if those aren't guaranteed like the signing bonuses, then 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:33.880 trading a player's contract is more feasible because when you 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:37.280 trade a guy, the pro ration that's left over on 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:42.320 the signing bonus immediately escalates into your salary cap. So 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:46.040 the signing bonuses now have been lower and the roster 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:49.720 bonuses have been higher, and so now trading a guy 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.799 isn't as punitive against the salary cap as it had 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:58.360 been previously. And this has been the structure of contracts 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:01.760 these last two years. That's where they've gone to. So 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:03.680 I think that has a lot to do with it, 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:06.839 because if you trade a player with three years left 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.760 on his contract and say each of those years the 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:13.599 peroration is five million dollars. Immediately you get fifteen million 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:17.240 dollars sent in to your salary cap. But now with 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.640 the way they do it with roster bonus, it's a 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.360 different story. So I think it makes it easier to 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:26.000 pull off trades and couple that with a healthy league 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.920 where you know, the salary cap is every year it's 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.120 going up by at least ten million dollars every year. 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:34.000 Kind of feel like though that teams, like, you know, 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.880 trades or draft picks have always been like currency. Though, 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:40.960 oh yeah, do you still do you feel like though 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.520 that teams are kind of looking at that and saying, 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:45.479 wait a minute, now, if we can get a known 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:50.279 commodity right now that these picks, you know, these picks aren't. 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.080 I mean, I understand using it as to get the picks, 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.159 but do you think teams are more willing to part 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.839 with you know, just talking about this organization, the fact 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.360 that they were willing to part with potentially another first 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.520 round pick in order to get a player. So do 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:09.520 you feel like though that, hey, we understand what this 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.560 player is, we would rather have this player much like 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:14.719 what they did with the Maari Cooper last year. That's 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:16.480 where I was going. I think the age of the 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.800 player has a lot to do whether this team is 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:20.680 going to give up a first round pick. Yeah, I 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:22.560 think it's case by case, right, because they looked at 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:24.520 Amari and they said, well, he's been in the league 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:28.880 a few years, but he's and hasn't reached his prime yet. 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.600 And okay, if we went and drafted a receiver who's 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.359 twenty one or twenty two, okay, that's not much younger, 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.680 and we know exactly what this young guy is like 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:41.159 you said, Yeah, and since compensatory picks are tradeable too, 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:44.560 that helps as far as more things that you can 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.080 throw at him in a trade. Sure, that helps U 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.120 facilitate a trade, all right, which takes us to you 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.520 know what I was gonna say, what Rob said about 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:57.120 the rookie salaries with the lower base salaries, and we 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.360 can take an instant from yesterday, am I it's okay 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.400 for me to say his name? Yeah? I think so. 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:04.800 I mean, okay, yeah, going and Getty Boddy in trouble. 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:10.960 I think we're past that. Jamal Adams base salaries for 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.840 this year with seven hundred and thirty five thousand, So 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:18.840 that's what you inherit base salary for next year was 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:24.480 going to be seven hundred six, six hundred and forty 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:26.960 five this year, seven hundred and thirty five next year, 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.720 and then you would have the ability to put the 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.400 fifth year option on them also, so you would have 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.400 two and a half seasons of control for very little money. 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:40.000 So with the rookie salaries, the way they're structuring those contracts, 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:44.200 you're just trading for basically a minimum wage salary. So 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.920 that makes it more feasible to make the trade. Now 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:50.640 what you give up is another story. But you know, 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.080 Brian's right, you know, with the draft picks, if you 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.800 get a known commodity and you're sitting there going, well, 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:57.800 how am I doing in the draft? Yeah? You know, 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:01.280 un least you've got a may on what this guy 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:05.200 has done previously. See okay, just to talk about the 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.720 trade deadline and not so much about the Cowboys. Well, look, 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:12.720 with the stubbornness of the Redskins did for them, I 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.200 mean they could have got they could have held Cleveland 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:17.720 up for a first round pick for Trent Williams, and 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.600 Trent Williams has passed. What Mickey was talking about. I mean, 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:24.240 he is a veteran player who has a pretty significant contract. 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:28.920 But you know, the Redskins said, no, we're gonna be 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.760 stubborn here and all that. And to me, that's where 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:36.920 I don't quite understand organizations if you're willing to you know, 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.800 if a player is just adamant, and this day and age, 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:41.319 a player can come out and say I'm adam and 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:43.959 I'm not playing for you. Look what happened with the 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.080 guy go into the Rams, right, I mean, you know Ramsey, 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:51.600 Ramsey back injury, birth of a child. Well, you know, 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:53.800 he was just everything. It was every week there was 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.520 something different, you know. And for them to get two 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.280 first round picks for somebody that didn't want to want 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:03.280 to be there, to me, that's that's smart. Now can 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:05.840 they do something with it. We've seen Cleveland in the 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.920 past take a bunch of picks and stuff like that 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.720 and not do anything to really help their team. You 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:14.680 have to be able to draft well. But I you know, 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:18.200 to me, I don't I don't understand how teams just 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:20.280 sit there and say we're just gonna hold on to 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.680 this player unless they just do not want to set 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:25.920 presidents of you know, of we're just not going to 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:29.360 have every player that's gonna bitch and moan get walk 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:31.080 his way out or trade his way out her or 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:32.960 talk his way out of it. Yeah, because the line 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.560 starts outside the door. Yeah, once you do one, and 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:37.400 it's like, oh, well, I'd like to do it too. 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:39.480 And you see it more in the NBA because there's 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:41.800 a bigger gap between the halves and the have nots, 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.600 Like teams are willing to just start over because we're 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.960 not anywhere close to a title contention. This guy doesn't 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:48.520 want to be here. We'll get some draft picks and 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.240 we'll continue to rebuild. In the NFL, I mean, you've 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:53.520 got more of an opportunity a year to year if 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.200 you want to hang onto a guy San Francisco, to 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.720 just hand there and we might be a better team 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:02.880 next year at more favorable schedule whatever. Which well, and 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:05.920 the Redskins knew Trent Williams was over a barrel because 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:07.760 he needed to show up if he wasn't gonna get 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.560 a year. Yeah, but he's not gonna play. Yeah, he 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.400 may not play, but yeah, I mean so where the 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.480 Redskins there? We see, But that's the whole thing. The 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:18.160 Redskins are not getting the players as let's see, it's 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:20.280 an hour, I mean, and at one o'clock we'll see 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.160 if you practices, he's not you know, think so now 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.040 why not? I thought that there's a report that he 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.520 was going to report right now. But I'm interested, I'm 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.920 I'm following up. He's just showed up to because not 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.960 to lose that year, and he's not. In fact, I 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.360 think I saw a report earlier that he's not playing 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.560 in a practice or not playing to play well. But 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.439 then they'll just put him on reason and it's gonna 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.720 it's just the start of the story. Really. Yeah, see, Okay, 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:50.360 if he refuses then too. That's another there's my argument 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.160 about my argument, there's my once again belief of what 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.400 Bruce Allen is doing in that team. You know, I mean, 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.440 if they're gonna have a new coach, you know, why 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:01.679 not go into this with you know, who knows what 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:04.520 Cleveland's record's going to be? Ill I would tell you know, 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:06.480 if I have a player that's not you know, has 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:09.679 no intention of playing with me at all, then I mean, 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:11.679 I'm the same way. But I want to just kind 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:13.679 of tie it into what Dallas. I mean, Dallas was 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:18.120 you know, Dallas was committed to moving another first round pick. Yeah, 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:21.480 so I'm I'm okay with that if that's if that's 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.199 what it takes to try and make your team a 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.240 little bit better, you know, to go out and get 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:27.640 a big time player by all means, do what you 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:30.040 have to do. Because it paid off last year, Sure 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:32.559 it did, and they're right firmly in the mix here 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:35.960 this year. Yeah, not next year. So yeah, and there's 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.880 a player like Nicky's talking about control for three years 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.280 and then you know, two years good money and then 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.760 and then a fifth year option and then the possibility 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.520 of extending him beyond that, what if you suffer a 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.720 catastrophic injury that you need that first round pick the 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:53.360 next year. Well, when they made the Cooper trade last year, 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.360 I think Stephen and Jerry said that, you know, I 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.720 don't really see us doing this, making this a habit, 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:00.640 because they to Brian's point, they do value those picks 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.160 and they've been very been I have it though, Well 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.000 they've been very successful making those picks too, So I 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.640 understand that line of thinking. But you know, you're if 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:13.240 you try to go I'm gonna asked this the catastrophic injury. 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:16.040 What do we ask go ask Dave Campbell when he 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.640 loses Troy Aikman and they don't have the first round pick, 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.600 there's no question to get Yeah, nicky, but we were 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:23.720 terrible at our Joe, No, I know, but that doesn't matter. 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.120 We didn't do a good job then, but it doesn't matter. 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.160 You didn't have a first round pick. We didn't have 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:30.520 money have a first round pick when we were terrible. 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:32.480 We were terrible at our jobs. So I never know 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.040 what's gonna come up though in the next nine weeks, 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.880 and the issue there was given up the two first 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.319 round picks. Yeah, because your first round pick could have 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.160 bone out of knee too, it had you lost another 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.440 player the guy brought his knee. We traded for right 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.800 what I mean, he blew, but the first round pick 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.640 could have also, ye, and I gave up second first 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:52.640 round pick. I mean same with Roy Williams. It was 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:55.520 the eighteenth pick and then the seventh overall pick. That's 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.640 that's bad football right there. That's bad football. What you 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:00.640 love about the Cooper trade though last year, I know 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.800 it's panned out. It's hindsight, but at the time, what 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.040 was the glaring need. We probably would have been their 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.080 number one pick, most likely a wide receiver wide receiver, 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:12.320 and it helped you evaluate your young quarterback. Now you 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.640 can love you just think a habit of doing that, 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:18.360 because some point it's gonna bite you. I mean is 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:24.400 it would would a strong safety turn your season around 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:28.680 the way the wide receiver did. Mickey, I would go 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:30.719 on record, and I'll do it right now because I 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:33.000 was on with Nat and them yesterday. I would have 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.800 compared this too. And this is just me, Mickey, this 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.000 is just me. I would have compared that this going 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.680 out and getting a defensive player like this caliber of 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:45.400 a player to what you did offensively with Amari Cooper 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:48.960 because I'm banking on. I'm banking on to help my 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:52.160 defense from years to come. I feel good about my 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:56.679 inside linebackers Smith and vander esh and so now I'm 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.199 gonna try and put somebody behind them. I think all 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.199 really good defenses are really good up the middle. I 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.880 just think that good defensive teams Mickey always talks about 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.440 playing the run, which is exactly right. If you have 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.080 that ability to kind of control things in the middle, 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.720 it makes your defense even that much better. And I 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.600 would have taken a chance. I would have taken that 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:20.320 chance with moving A one to say, Okay, I'm going 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.640 to go get a guy that's going to help me 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:27.440 in the middle, but also solidify what's going on with 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:31.000 as part of vander esh and Smith, and then I'll 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:34.480 try and fix, you know, I'll try and fix what's 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.960 going on at defensive tackle. So maybe without a first 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.120 round pick, I can't fix what Mickey wants me to 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:43.560 do at defensive tackle. But I understand his point. I 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.160 do understand this point. I was comparing it though to 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.760 this would be the defensive move of Amari Cooper. That's 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.480 how I was That's how I do and I understand 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.040 what you're saying. Yeah, I'm just saying that getting that 0:14:56.160 --> 0:15:00.000 player wouldn't turn four and three into eight and one 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.720 on the second half. It would not have that impact. 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:08.240 Is it just turned three and five into seven and one? 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.200 Is it the Is it the position, Mickey, or is 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:14.560 it the player? That's all I think. The position would 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.040 not have that big of an impact, even if you 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:20.360 had the best player in the league at that position. 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:22.680 I just my point, yeah, and that's a fair point. 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.560 The thing I saw was when the Jets played the 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:30.360 Cowboys who affected the game on the final play. Yeah, 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:32.320 that that's all. That's That's what I'm based in my 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:34.760 but and it's it, you know, where you got to 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:37.800 get a two point conversion and who they sent They 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.520 sent him on a blitz and then what happened the 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:44.280 next two weeks? They did not win, right, Yeah, I 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.160 think a lot of that has to do with the 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:49.480 fact that their roster is not very good to begin with, 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:51.280 and the shame on the Cowboys for losing that game, 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.840 And you've pointed that out several times and rightfully. So 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:59.240 I'm just saying though, on that particular player, and that's 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:03.920 why I tied him into vander esh and Smith and 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:07.640 those guys, just to try and solidify you know, maybe 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:11.680 maybe you maybe he makes that game changing play that 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.840 we saw him making the Jets game. Mickey's right, the 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.760 Jets aren't good. They lose games, They have lost games. 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.000 I don't think you could pin that all on on 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:24.080 Jamal Adams. I think you could could could pin it 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.640 on a front office that was even considering about moving him. Well, 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.760 and the way I would look at it too, is 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.240 the fact that you had two more years of control 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.080 for him. I mean yeah, I think he'd make an 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:36.960 impact this year. I don't know that it would have 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:40.120 been the same impact like what Mickey's saying this year. 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:43.000 That's fair to have it him going forward as a 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.400 cornerstone of that defense and maybe first career who knows. Yeah, 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:50.440 you know he's from here, all right. So so I 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:52.040 would have given up a first round pick. I would 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:56.520 have done the menk of Fitzpatrick deal, which was Dolphins 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.080 gave the Steelers Fitzpatrick and I think it was a 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.400 fifth and a six, six, and in return, the Steelers 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.240 gave up a first, a fourth, and a seventh, okay, 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:07.920 which is basically that that third day there's third day picks. 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:10.600 They're basically a wash, a fourth and a seventh or 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:12.000 a fifth and a sixth. Who cares, Yeah, you just 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:16.960 always just off your practice squad to Detroit, right, Yeah, exactly, ye, Mike. 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:22.200 And and on one of the big differences. Fitzpatrick was 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:24.720 a draft pick last year, eleventh pick of the draft 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.639 last year. Adams was the sixth pick the year before. 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:32.040 So yeah, I mean you got even more control with Fitzpatrick. Now, 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:35.320 Mickey's not wrong, because you do need somebody in that room. 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.719 It's going to say, okay, is is he going to 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.720 be that difference maker to counteract some guy like me 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:42.760 coming in there and saying, hey, we got to do 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:45.320 this steal, don't we don't we have to do the steal. 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:47.280 Let me quickly add the Jets were not going to 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.400 take that deal either, obviously, No. And I don't think 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:52.520 they really wanted to trade, right. It didn't sound like 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:56.640 they were. Now, if I was trading that for Darren Woodson, 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.520 then I'd do it. See, And I think that's a 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:03.240 great I think that is a great example. I think 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.439 Jamal Adams is Darren Woodson. He can't cover in the slot. 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.040 I don't even think. No. I think, not not so 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:14.840 much how he plays, but his impact. He impacts the game. 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:19.080 Different fact that Darren Woodson makes to me, to me 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:22.160 that where he can coverage, Darren Woodson was a slot player, 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.520 no question about that. Darren Woodson at Arizona State was 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.240 a two hundred and twelve pound linebacker that played his 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:30.439 ass off. I mean, what a great player he was, 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:32.639 and what a great player in the NFL he was, 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.800 There's no question about that. I think where you you 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:40.000 get similarities is the physicality which they played the tackling 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:44.680 ability which they played, the leadership that which the way 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:47.399 they play. You know, I think there's similarities there. I 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.320 think you're talking about a rare player. You know, there's 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.520 the rare players that played in this league. Gets safety 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:54.680 ed Reid. You would have never if we all sat 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:57.400 down and watched ed Reid's college tape together at Miami, 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.879 you would have said, what, he's a Hall of Fame player. 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:03.760 I don't. I don't see this. I mean, I can't 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:05.919 tell you how many times I had to point I 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:08.439 was responsible for pointing out where the players were with 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:10.920 a red with a laser, and Jerry would go where 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.360 is he? And I would three feet off the right 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:15.879 of the screen. I would point the dot there because 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.919 he was never in the screen. So yeah, you know, 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:22.200 I think there's evaluations of these guys. There's things, there's 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:25.160 things that Darren Woodson could do that nobody else could do. Right, 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:29.440 So I think that's a comparison in itself. That's kind 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:32.120 of a man You're comparing a guy that I think 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:34.400 is rare to a guy who I think has some 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:38.199 rare ability, you know, And Mickey's right, I mean, you know, 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:40.200 if you're if you're training if you're giving up a 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:43.840 first round pick for Darren Woodson. Absolutely, absolutely. It's just 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:46.840 interesting because they just haven't invested a ton in that 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:49.639 position for years. I mean, they had every guy on 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:52.399 the board at safety that you could have drafted in 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:54.960 this draft, with the exception of Abraham the kid from 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.919 Mississippi State who went to the Oakland Raiders in the 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:02.520 end of the first round, and so they had every 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:05.920 opportunity to draft, uh, you know, all those guys, and 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:09.359 they they didn't. They drafted Tristan Hill, you know, it 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:12.720 was their guy. So uh, either there is a there's 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:17.640 a a thought about safeties. But again, if it's if 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:20.640 they were willing to trade for a first for this 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:24.439 type of a player, maybe I'm wrong making that Annaly. 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.880 Maybe maybe that observation. Yeah, I don't it's probably too 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:31.400 generalized to say, oh, they don't value that position. That's 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:33.040 not I mean, it's got to be a case by 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:35.840 case thing. I just said, they haven't spent high draft 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:37.280 picks there and they haven't spent a lot of money 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.240 there in general. The last few years. They found Xavier 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:42.119 Woods in the sixth round and turned out to be 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:44.240 a nice you have to kick named Tony Dixon in 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:49.119 the second round from Alabama. Two. Yeah. Yeah, he was 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:52.520 right here at the start of yea kind you're sitting here, 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:55.160 you know, I think he works for Freed to Lay, Okay, PepsiCo, 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:58.240 Freed to Lay. I talked to him, saw him. Uh yeah. 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:01.760 You know. There's there's time where you just think, okay, 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:03.640 spend a pick on this, spend a pick on this, 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:06.840