1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Hey, there, everybody. 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 2: It is Thursday, December eleventh, and you know, we have 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 2: been immersed in this Brian Walsh trial that's been going 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 2: on in Massachusetts, and we've been covering it for you 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 2: each and every day. We're in week two of this 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 2: trial and the details have been horrific. The motivation and 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 2: just how the prosecution is framing all of this and 8 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: how the defense is defending Walsh has all been fascinating. 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: But while we're covering this, there has been a major 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 2: headline that has been eerily similar out of Switzerland. A 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 2: former Miss Switzerland finalist die more than a year ago, 12 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: but this week her husband has been charged with her murder, 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: and the details, Wow, babe, don't you think that it 14 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: is scarily reminiscent of what we're seeing play out in 15 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: court in Massachusetts with the Brian Walsh trial. 16 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. Difference here is this guy said he actually killed 17 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 3: his wife. There's a difference. But the dismemberment and the 18 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 3: horror of someone chopping up their spouse to get rid 19 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 3: of a body in such a way as is disturbing. 20 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: Yes, because you think it's an anomaly, and obviously it's 21 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: incredibly rare, but then to see something so eerily similar 22 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: is certainly disturbing. So here's what we do know. And 23 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: you said he admitted to killing her, but not initially. 24 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: Initially he gave the exact same defense as Brian Walsh. 25 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 3: Which was, well, his was just came home and she 26 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 3: was dead. 27 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 2: He found her dead, and he's stay, He's like, I 28 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 2: found her dead. I didn't know what to do. 29 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: I panicked. 30 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 2: This is what exactly we're hearing from Brian Walsh as 31 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: his defense. Brian Walsh is sticking to his story, and 32 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: his defense attorneys are doing a pretty decent, if not 33 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: good job, but trying to defend him with that. But eventually, 34 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: and we don't know his name, forty three year old 35 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: Swiss man. They're calling him Thomas in Swiss documents because 36 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: there are Swiss privacy laws that don't reveal his name. 37 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: But he eventually, according to police, admitted to killing her. 38 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: But he said he only did it in self defense. 39 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: The laws in Switzerland are different here than the laws 40 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: in the United States, and so the Swiss took their time, 41 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 2: waited for the autopsy results. In this case, they did 42 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: have parts of her body and we'll get into that. 43 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: But he ultimately admitted to killing her, but only because 44 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: he said she was charging him with a knife. 45 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: Well, we just got. 46 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 2: Details now from the autopsy and from Swiss officials saying 47 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 2: that they have ruled out his version. They now say 48 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 2: they know how he murdered his wife. 49 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 3: How strangulation was it not. I don't know how they 50 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 3: could tell Again, they would tell her about the dismemberment, 51 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 3: and it was difficult to understand fully how they were 52 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 3: a lack of a better term, able to piece this 53 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 3: thing together, because it wasn't just a matter of a 54 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 3: body being dismembered. It was mutilated and gotten rid of 55 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 3: in horrific ways to where you wonder how much of 56 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 3: her was left. 57 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 2: Yes, and we can get into some of those details. 58 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: We're not going to get into all of them. They're 59 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: simply too disgusting and gruesome. And in fact, the autopsy 60 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 2: I was kind of my jaw dropped at the detail 61 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: they went into and how. 62 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: They described what he did. 63 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 2: But this to me is fascinating because the whole point 64 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: of Brian Walsh's defense, and certainly what's helping his defense 65 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 2: and what's hindering the prosecution, is that they don't have 66 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: Anna Walsh's body, and even if he dismembered her, which 67 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: he admitted to doing Brian Walsh, and disposing of her body. 68 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: Without her body, they cannot determine manner of death. And 69 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: if you can't determine manner of death, how do you 70 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: prove a murder? That is what's interesting in this case 71 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: in Switzerland. They were able to find parts of the body, 72 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: and with that, as limited as it might be, they 73 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: were able to determine cause and mode of death. That 74 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: is what's missing in the Brian Walsh trial. 75 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 3: And look, we've been covering that plenty, and that might 76 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 3: be the very thing that ends up with a potentially 77 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 3: surprising verdict from this jury at the end. Again, that's 78 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 3: not us, that's legal experts saying prosecution has got some 79 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 3: work to do. 80 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: Yes, certainly so. 81 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: In this case in Switzerland, we're talking about thirty eight 82 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: year old I want to make sure we get her 83 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 2: name and who she was and her story. Thirty eight 84 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: year old Christina Djoksimovich. She was a two thousand and 85 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: seven Miss Switzerland finalist. Her pictures and the videos are everywhere. 86 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 2: She was a gorgeous, stunning blonde woman who actually continued 87 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 2: her passion for pageantry and was a modeling coach and 88 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: she you can see her her Instagram is still up 89 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 2: and running, by the way, and you can see her 90 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: coaching several Miss Switzerland finalists for the Miss Universe pageants, 91 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: and you could see her passion. She's a mom of 92 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 2: two young girls, and people have especially with. 93 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: This new of her husband being charged. 94 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: Now it's all over the common section, people extending their condolences, 95 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: rip those two poor young girls. All of this is 96 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: incredibly sad. But the murder actually took place in February 97 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four, and here are the headlines are 98 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: out there, and they're pretty intense because what police say 99 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 2: he did was strangle her, dismember her, and then take 100 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 2: her remains and put them through an industrial blender. And 101 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: maybe I don't know how they were able to time 102 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: this out, but they've actually gone so far as to 103 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: say in the police report that he was watching casual 104 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 2: YouTube videos on his phone while he was putting his 105 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 2: wife wife's remains in a blender. That's unthinkable. 106 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't this is this is not normal stuff. 107 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 3: This is Texas chainsaw massacre type. 108 00:05:59,200 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: Things. 109 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 3: They are discres that something's not right possibly with this 110 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 3: we just don't know, but some of the things being 111 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 3: described are just not stuff you expect from someone you 112 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 3: would attach the label of human. 113 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: Being to correct And while you and while they're not 114 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 2: releasing his name because of Swiss privacy laws, there are 115 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: pictures out there of the two of them together and 116 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 2: you look at him, good looking guy, muscular guy again, 117 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 2: father of two young girls. This is when we get 118 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: into this place, and every time we cover very rare 119 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 2: but headline grabbing crimes like this, you start to look 120 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: at the people involved and you think, how did he get. 121 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: To this place? Was he created? Was he born like this? 122 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: How does someone go from being a seemingly loving father 123 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 2: and a loving husband to not just someone who snapped 124 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 2: under pressure or had a bad moment where they there 125 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 2: was a crime of passion. Fine, but then to be 126 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 2: able to go to the links that Brian Walsh is 127 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: accused of and now this man Thomas is accused of, 128 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: to be able to do that to another human being 129 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: to avoid being caught, That's what I think. Just you 130 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: can't get inside someone's head like that, or we all 131 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: try to for whatever reason we want to understand evil? 132 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: Is that what it is? 133 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 3: Yeah? This is just that this is different from most 134 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 3: crimes we see. We see a lot of horrific stuff 135 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: and killings and deaths and all kinds of things. This 136 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 3: is something else. We were talking about a blender, putting 137 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 3: your wife's body in a blender. I mean, you just 138 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 3: start with that, and this is I don't know, this 139 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 3: is beyond true crime. This is beyond what we can comprehend. 140 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: This sounds like mental illness. This is just again, it's 141 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 3: just a horrific I guess the details are horrific. If 142 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 3: if this man had just killed his wife, we would 143 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 3: not be here in the United States talking about a 144 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 3: Swiss murder. 145 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: Yes, and especially given the parallels to what we're seeing 146 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 2: playing out in Courton, Massachusetts, those two. But this one, 147 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: I didn't think that it could get worse than Brian Walsh. 148 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 2: We were listening to and seeing the headlines and the 149 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: searches this Brian Walsh was putting into his computer, and 150 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: that was jaw dropping in to see a story that 151 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: actually takes the horror of that to another level. Well, 152 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: that's this story out of Switzerland. When we come back, 153 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 2: we're going to talk about how the prosecutor's office described Thomas, 154 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: the husband accused of doing these horrific things, and talk 155 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 2: a little bit more about the victim in this case 156 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 2: and who she was and how sad it is that 157 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 2: her life was cut so short at just the age 158 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: of thirty eight. Welcome back, everyone to this episode of 159 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: Amy and TJ. We are talking about a two thousands 160 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 2: Miss Switzerland finalist who was brutally murdered in February of 161 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. It's making headlines now this week because 162 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: just yesterday, on Wednesday, her husband was officially charged with murder, 163 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: and not just murder, he was also charged with disturbing 164 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 2: the peace of the dead. That is the charge in Switzerland, 165 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: that's how they call it. But this case is eerily 166 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 2: similar to what we're seeing play out in Massachusetts with 167 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 2: the Brian Walsh trial, where he is accused of murdering 168 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: his wife Anna, But more notably, he's admitted to already 169 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 2: dismembering his wife's body and then disposing of her remains. 170 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: In that case, they've never found her body, he's never 171 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: pointed police in the direction of where it may be, 172 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 2: and therefore they have a very tall order in court 173 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 2: trying to establish cause of death. How did Anna Walsh die? 174 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 2: That's been a really huge battle we've seen play out 175 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: in the courtroom where they're struggling with it. They're trying 176 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 2: to to show that he murdered her, but they don't 177 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 2: have a body. In this case in Switzerland with thirty 178 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: eight year old Christina Djoksimovich, they do have a body. 179 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: But when you hear what he did with her body, 180 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: it's remarkable to me that they could figure out that 181 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 2: she died by strangulation. I don't know how this works, 182 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 2: but those forensic scientists are pretty remarkable. 183 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, we have a murder. I don't know what would 184 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 3: have happened if he had gotten rid of her body completely. 185 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 3: We might be in the same position, or the laws 186 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 3: are different over them. Maybe they would not have been 187 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 3: able to even charge the man without the body. 188 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's different from state to state, different from 189 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: country to country as to whether or not you can 190 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: bring murder charges without a body. But they did find 191 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: the body. Again, he dismembered her. But the most gruesome 192 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 2: part of this all perhaps is that he then took 193 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: her body parts and put them in an industrial blender, 194 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 2: and police say he was watching YouTube videos while he 195 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: was doing this. He has pleaded well, he has admitted 196 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 2: to killing her, but he is saying that it was 197 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: in self defense. The prosecutor's office to say that does 198 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 2: not jibe with the forensics and the evidence that they have. 199 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: But they noted in court filings they actually got really 200 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 2: specific describing Thomas. This is the husband of the victim 201 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 2: in this case, and they said he displayed when they 202 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: interviewed him, a remarkably high level of criminal energy, lack 203 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 2: of empathy, and cold bloodedness. I wonder what a high 204 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 2: level of criminal energy refers to. 205 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 3: Scary. I don't know. I've never heard a criminal described 206 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 3: in such a way. We've heard a lot of stuff, 207 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 3: but yeah, I don't know what they meant if they 208 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 3: use that, they reserve that for very special people, if 209 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 3: that's just a more common term. But I've never heard that. 210 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't either. 211 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: So I was trying to imagine what that must have 212 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 2: been like for them to stare him down and be 213 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: and write that and put that in the notes in 214 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 2: his court filings that they put in there. They do 215 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 2: have two young daughters. They are in the custody of 216 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 2: other family members. But the good news, at least I 217 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: can't even imagine. According to reports, it was her own 218 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 2: father who saw evidence that his daughter was dead. He 219 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: actually saw some of her blonde hair, and it led 220 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: police to figuring out what ultimately happened to that young woman, again, 221 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 2: just thirty eight years old. That is just an unthinkable 222 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 2: I can't get my head around that her own father 223 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: is who discovered what may have happened to his daughter. 224 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 2: That is incredibly difficult. Now we don't have a trial 225 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 2: date yet, but certainly that is going to be I 226 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: can only imagine a media circus there in Switzerland, because 227 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 2: this is a high profile case that has obviously made 228 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 2: headlines all the way over here in the United States. 229 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 2: But in terms of who this young woman, this mother 230 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 2: of two, and these were young girls, by the way, 231 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: her youngest was three and the other one was, I 232 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 2: believe also just in elementary school. So this is Christina 233 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 2: djokas Simovich, and she, as we mentioned, was Miss Northwest Switzerland, 234 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: and she was a mentor to several models, but also 235 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: a role model to a lot of women just looking 236 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 2: at her Instagram profile. 237 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: But it is just incredibly sad. 238 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 2: Wanted to just talk about this case that, in such 239 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: a strange way mimics what we're seeing here in Massachusetts. 240 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 2: But we certainly wish her family the deepest of condolences 241 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 2: and hope that this you know, I did see online 242 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 2: some women's groups just pointing out that this kind of 243 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: thing happens, that it seems monstrous. Obviously it is, and 244 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 2: it makes headlines because of how sensationally she was dismembered 245 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: and disposed of, but it points to a larger issue 246 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: about violence against women, and that this isn't just about 247 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 2: sensationalized media headlines, but about a real problem that when 248 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: women are women are in danger, and oftentimes by the 249 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 2: men who purport to love them the most. 250 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 3: We have to remember. It's always a reminder been like 251 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 3: this my whole career. Newsrooms, Why do we care? It's 252 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 3: not just sometimes because it's sillacious, But when you can 253 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 3: add the fact that she was in a beauty pageant, 254 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 3: you can add the fact that she was blonde, you 255 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 3: can add the fact that her eyes were blue, that 256 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 3: oftentimes or stories they get attention. There are some horrific 257 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 3: details about this one. But at the same time we 258 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 3: want to remember and remind everybody about this happening to women. 259 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 3: Then all of us have a responsibility to talk about 260 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 3: the women who are not just former beauty pageant contestants. 261 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 2: It is true, and you think about the recent stories 262 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 2: that have made headlines, even for instance, the horrific death 263 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 2: on the cruise. We're waiting to see if there are 264 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: charges against the stepbrother. But the young woman who was 265 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 2: killed and murdered on that cruise ship, everyone wants to 266 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: point out. 267 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: That she was cheerleader. They show her pictures. 268 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 2: So yes, the more attractive you are, perhaps even the 269 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 2: wider you are, the more attention your murder gets. And 270 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: that is incredibly sad to the folks and to the 271 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: women and to the people everywhere who have just as 272 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 2: much of a right to be remembered, recognized and to 273 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 2: have justice for their families. And oftentimes media attention like 274 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: this does lead to greater justice, better results, at least 275 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: for the family to feel like someone cares, police get involved, 276 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: and that is a very important point as we cover 277 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 2: all of these stories. So thank you everyone for listening 278 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: to us. We always appreciate you. Of course, we'll continue 279 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 2: to keep our eye on the Brian Walsh trial and 280 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: bring you the very latest developments on that later today, 281 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: so look for that episode. But in the meantime, thank 282 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 2: you for joining us. I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ. 283 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.