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Speaker 3: This is Mick Shot, streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com

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Speaker 3: and the official Dallas Cowboys Act. Now Here are Bill Jones,

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Speaker 3: Hecma Harrison, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.

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Speaker 4: It is high noon plus two on a Tuesday here

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Speaker 4: inside the SWBC podcast studio at the Beautiful Star in Frisco.

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Speaker 4: Hecma says, come on in, it's time for another edition

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Speaker 4: of Mick Shots. Bill Jones, Everson Walls, heck Ma Harrison

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Speaker 4: and wearing a tie aga in today. Mickey Spagnola, Yes, everything.

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Speaker 5: TV, doo it it up TV, and I forgot to

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Speaker 5: dress down. And I looked at the clock and I said, Okay.

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Speaker 4: I got it. Gotta go, We gotta go, We gotta

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Speaker 4: go here. We got a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 5: Easter Sunday.

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Speaker 4: He got on his Sunday best. That's what you, okay

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Speaker 4: for when the Cowboys went on Sunday, you wear a

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Speaker 4: suit the rest of the week. Okay, you want to

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Speaker 4: do that.

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Speaker 6: I agree to that. I touched we did.

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Speaker 5: I have to wear a suit when I was small

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Speaker 5: going to church on Sunday.

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Speaker 6: I bet you did.

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Speaker 5: I bet you did.

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Speaker 4: Uh huh back in that day. Now you don't have to.

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Speaker 4: You can wear shorts to church.

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Speaker 6: New shoes.

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Speaker 7: Hm.

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Speaker 6: It was on Easter Sunday. I had to wear them

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Speaker 6: all year long.

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Speaker 5: Then I had to protect my knuckles because I talked

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Speaker 5: in church and the nuns get me with.

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Speaker 4: The ruler, all right, So much to get to and uh,

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Speaker 4: we had a couple of games on Monday night. We

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Speaker 4: had your Davian Clowney holding court outside the Cowboys locker room.

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Speaker 4: Yesterday we've got injury situations arising because we're now into

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Speaker 4: week three of this season. Uh, so much to get to.

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Speaker 4: Where would you like to start on your legal pad? There?

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Speaker 5: Mickey is not much on this legal pad because the

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Speaker 5: real ones back in.

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Speaker 4: Let's then start though with uh something on a Cooper

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Speaker 4: BB to start with, because there has been a clarification

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Speaker 4: on his injury rather than being a high ankle sprain

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Speaker 4: being called a lateral spring with a broken bone in

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Speaker 4: his foot. But the timeline appears to be the same.

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Speaker 4: I think six to eight weeks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and sometimes that's what a high ankle sprain ends

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Speaker 5: up being. It's a ligament and bone problem. So sixty

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Speaker 5: eight weeks.

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Speaker 4: We have a commercial.

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Speaker 2: Exciting.

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Speaker 5: Uh yeah, and you hate to guy in his second year,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to miss almost half the season, uh with

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Speaker 5: the the foot ankle injury. So yeah, that hurts because

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Speaker 5: think about it. We were talking about when they started

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Speaker 5: the season that these five guys were going to play

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Speaker 5: their first game together together ever. And now they played

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Speaker 5: two and now they got a pause.

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Speaker 6: Well, I must admit it was two good ones. They

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Speaker 6: showed me something.

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Speaker 8: I talked to me as I was bragging on our

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Speaker 8: offensive line. Before I could get it out of my mouth,

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Speaker 8: then there goes, oh, what's upb BB the route back

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Speaker 8: Williams Javonte took it to the house. I was just

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Speaker 8: talking about how because you guys kept talking about how

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Speaker 8: good the Giants defense.

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Speaker 4: Was, and we talked front that front front.

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Speaker 6: Front seven is good, and that front seven.

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Speaker 8: You see how well it made those DB's play at times.

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Speaker 8: Our misdirection was not working well at all at times

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Speaker 8: because of the pressure put on by the front seven

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Speaker 8: play downhill as well. And some of our players didn't

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Speaker 6: So that's why I'm kind of proud of the way.

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Speaker 8: Our offense played because that was not an easy task

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Speaker 8: by a very young and to me feel this offensive

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, how do you feel about brock Hoffman, you know,

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Speaker 9: last season it was for Zach Martin.

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Speaker 4: And he made seven starts last year, right.

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Speaker 9: And I think we felt okay, you know about him.

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Speaker 9: Now he goes from guard to center, so which is

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Speaker 9: which is a completely different dynamic for him. But like

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Speaker 9: you said, man, you started to see this offensive line

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Speaker 9: be missed significant time. But man, if they can keep

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Speaker 9: the good feelings going with this running game that they have,

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Speaker 9: I think, you know, they can hold it together until

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Speaker 5: I always thought brock Kaufman was a better center than

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Speaker 6: You said that, did I say it before? You've said

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Speaker 5: And and I hold to it because I thought he

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Speaker 5: came in and now dak as the quarterback has to

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Speaker 5: do right, took responsibility for the bad snap or the fumbles,

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Speaker 5: say bad snap, if he said.

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Speaker 4: Exchange could have been that could have been disastered.

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Speaker 5: Really, but if you looked out how he played.

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Speaker 8: Dak like waiting for everyone to pass by that, oh

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Speaker 4: Is made a couple of plays like that already this season.

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Speaker 4: On the fumble, he's got to fumbles. He's made great plays.

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Speaker 5: That well, one was a recovery, one was a touchdown

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Speaker 5: saving Dackham. Right, but I thought he played well. I

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Speaker 5: thought he did a good job. And now think about it,

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Speaker 5: he'll actually have a week of practice, not just getting

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Speaker 5: the crumbs that are backup kids. Now here's the deal though,

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Speaker 5: So now you've got the backup playing, who's the backup to?

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Speaker 5: That was?

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Speaker 4: It's exactly where I was going. I was going to

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Speaker 4: ask you for the offensive line coach Connor Riley when

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Speaker 4: he wakes up this morning, in the last couple of mornings,

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Speaker 4: what's the most what what is on his mind more

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Speaker 5: Gets And I've got the answer for you. Okay, First

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Speaker 5: TJ Bass.

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Speaker 4: Who they gave him some snaps in the preseason.

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Speaker 5: Center, and then they picked up a.

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Speaker 4: Trevor Keagan waivers.

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Speaker 5: Trevor Keegan. Now they listened to him as an offensive

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Speaker 4: It was actually during Eagles week.

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Speaker 5: So right, So those are the two guys.

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Speaker 4: So that's a guy who's not on anyone's radar probably

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Speaker 8: So if you're playing paying close attention to any of

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Speaker 8: you saw the game last night. Tampa had to they

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Speaker 4: Well, they're already missing their left tackle, Tristan Worfs as

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Speaker 4: one of the best centers in the league, and he's

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Speaker 4: Then they lose the right tackle, and yet they're still

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Speaker 4: able to put together an eighty yard drive to win

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Speaker 4: the game over in Texans have a worse offensive line.

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Speaker 5: Situation well, and they nearly lost the quarterback Tampa. How

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Speaker 5: many times did he get up and you're thinking he's done.

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Speaker 9: That's a gutsy performance by Baker loving Ham. At the

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Speaker 9: same time, I know that's not you, but.

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Speaker 6: That's so funny. I kind of feel the same way

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Speaker 8: As a fan, I'm not crazy about him, but as

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Speaker 8: as a former player. You got guts, man, Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 8: he's got guts. I like watching him play, but you know,

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Speaker 8: sometimes you just hate how pesky he is, especially if

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Speaker 9: But in those final minutes, in those final minutes, I

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Speaker 9: was one of the I said it. I said, man,

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Speaker 9: he's about to win this game, you know, because of

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Speaker 9: how he is. If things, if the play breaks down,

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Speaker 9: he will scramble, he will run. He doesn't care about

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Speaker 9: little bit of you know, caution for yourself. If you're

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Speaker 6: Also got to have a little bit of guts going.

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Speaker 2: He's a little crazy, though.

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Speaker 4: You know the key you know what was the key

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Speaker 4: for them on that eighty yard drive. They still had

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Speaker 4: their timeouts. It was game management, and so they were

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Speaker 4: actually they could have they were facing fourth and ten

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Speaker 4: It was with two minutes left. Basically they could have

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Speaker 4: a first down. Well though, they still got their timeouts,

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Speaker 4: and so now they don't have to throw for the sideline.

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Speaker 4: They can use the middle of the field. They can

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Speaker 4: run the ball if they want to.

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Speaker 2: Which they.

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Speaker 6: Exactly with old Bucky. Yep.

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Speaker 4: So they did a great job of clock management.

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Speaker 5: I just don't like my quarterback running. And then he

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Speaker 5: grabs his leg before he gets up, and.

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Speaker 4: Then see J comes over and talks stratch to him,

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Speaker 4: and he forgot about his injury, and then he got

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Speaker 4: up and got right.

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Speaker 9: Back right Well, speaking of mismanagement, I heard yesterday in

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Speaker 9: the interview with coach Bryan Shot and I were talking

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Speaker 9: about the end of the first half.

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Speaker 2: Mickey, if you were in there.

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Speaker 9: Just yes, what was that when he's said he mismanaged

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Speaker 5: They they should They had a time out left right,

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Speaker 5: and they tried to get the snap off, and it's like,

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Speaker 5: just called time out right because I believe they had

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Speaker 5: one left, Am I right?

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Speaker 6: We were anywhere close to fifty?

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Speaker 2: Didn't.

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Speaker 9: But that was a good admission for him as a coach.

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Speaker 9: He admitted, He's like, look, that's on me. I mismanaged that.

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Speaker 9: And so many times, you know, the media will bake

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Speaker 9: a coach over something like that if obviously it ends

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Speaker 9: in a loss.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So they were at with fifteen seconds left. This

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Speaker 4: is the first half, Yes, fifteen seconds left. They are

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Speaker 4: third and ten at the fifty yard line, and it

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Speaker 4: was the Giants actually who c used their second time out.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to force the Cowboys. I think that's what

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Speaker 4: I got ready before the play. Before the play with

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Speaker 4: fifteen seconds left, completion to Ferguson for two, sir. They're

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Speaker 4: at the plus forty eight yard line, facing fourth and

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Speaker 4: eight at that point, and so if you're thinking about, okay,

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Speaker 4: are you in field goal range? You're at the plus

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Speaker 4: forty eight yard line, that's a sixty six.

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Speaker 6: Yarder field goal. R I don't know about the rest ye, So.

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Speaker 4: That's he referenced that in yesterday's press conference that Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 5: Who makes that decision?

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Speaker 8: You just got to give him a lot of credit

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Speaker 6: But you see a little bit of that.

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Speaker 9: And when you talk about him throwing the throwing the

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Speaker 6: By time played by that dB.

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Speaker 8: That most DB's CD is going to turn that corner

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Speaker 5: I went back to look at that because I was thinking,

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Speaker 2: And he didn't.

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Speaker 6: It's the guy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and and the touchdown passed the pickings that that's

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Speaker 6: The guy dB never saw what was that?

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Speaker 9: You know?

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Speaker 5: And and and and and Dak talked about this at

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Speaker 5: he goes, no, don't take me out. I gotta find

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Speaker 6: And once again and he learned.

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Speaker 8: It shows you when your guys are together all off season,

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Speaker 8: off season, it's just different. And of course the addition

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Speaker 8: see the all you want, I'm gonna make you come

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Speaker 5: Well that's what happened on the touchdown to Turpin right

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Speaker 4: Be turs got receiving skills too, Yes, you can make that.

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Speaker 8: Remember one more thing, what do you think about our

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Speaker 2: I don't like it. You didn't like it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, we are bound and determined to stay on task

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Speaker 4: here in this segment, Okay, we tease targets and Dak,

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Speaker 4: let's start with targets. Ever since you're the one who

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Speaker 8: We had a few clutch situations that we had to

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Speaker 6: I mean, this is do a die. I mean it

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Speaker 6: So it's the same thing about this guy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he went with he went with where it.

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Speaker 5: Took it, and that should have been turping.

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Speaker 8: That should have been turping exactly exactly, which.

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Speaker 5: We you know, I don't mean to get away from

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Speaker 5: the targets, but no, this is part of it. Turping

450
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Speaker 5: changes the complexion of the game when he's in there

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Speaker 5: and not just as a receiver. Did you like Jalen

452
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Speaker 5: Tolbert returning kickoffs?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, And I don't think Jalen Tobart.

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Speaker 5: Can you kick it to the other guy right? Well?

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Speaker 5: Number one, from a confidence standpoint, I'm thinking, oh, just

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Speaker 5: catch it, right because if it's turping, it's like, go

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Speaker 5: catch it and.

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Speaker 4: Make a spend and it's gonna happen.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 5: When Tolbert did it, it was like, oh, please catch

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Speaker 5: it and get to the twenty.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: It changes the whole complexion of kickoff returns, and it

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Speaker 5: changes how they're kicking right because before, like last year,

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Speaker 5: they're just saying, no, we're not dealing with him. It's

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Speaker 5: a touchback. You can have the ball at the thirty right. Well, now,

468
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Speaker 5: when you get it at the thirty five, if you

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Speaker 5: a chance to return it and you got the combination

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Speaker 5: of Aubrey kicking sixty yard field goals, all you've got

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Speaker 5: to do is pick up fifteen twenty yards and.

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Speaker 4: Down your kicking appeal.

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Speaker 5: So now Turpen's getting the kickoff he had. I don't

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Speaker 5: have my notebook, I left it at home. I think

475
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Speaker 5: he had one hundred and five yards in kick off returns.

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Speaker 5: Now there was a lot of kickoffs what you don't want.

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Speaker 5: But again, he's a threat every time he's got the

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Speaker 5: ball and they're saying, no, you're not getting the ball

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Speaker 5: at the thirty five. I'm kicking it to the five

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Speaker 5: yard line and we got to go cover him.

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Speaker 8: And when he's a wide receiver, then you're talking about

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Speaker 8: yak right, you know, you throw it to him, you look,

483
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Speaker 8: you're looking for yak when you throw it to Toba.

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Speaker 8: What you use, what you see is what you get.

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Speaker 8: He's going to catch it and most likely he's going

486
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Speaker 8: to go down. You don't get much yack out of Toba.

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Speaker 8: It'd be great if I could see that, if I

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Speaker 8: saw him catch a ball and is able to shake

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Speaker 8: a tackle and go to the hot that's something I'm

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Speaker 8: looking forward.

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Speaker 2: Then to give you that confidence.

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Speaker 8: That would give me the comfort. Right now, I just

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Speaker 8: see him. He's like me making an inception. I got

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Speaker 8: fifty seven interceptions in one touchdown, right, So you go,

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Speaker 8: hey man, I'm calling you got you got? But you

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Speaker 8: got He's got like fifty something and he's got like

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Speaker 8: ten twelve whatever touched up. So there's a difference.

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Speaker 6: It's jet packing a little different difference. So ore there.

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Speaker 8: Jet packs a little different when it comes to comparing

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Speaker 8: those two. And I just wanted to see even more

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Speaker 8: from him. But having said that, he made me eat

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Speaker 8: my words when he made that.

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Speaker 4: Let me can go ahead, and I'm gonna and while

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Speaker 4: you're doing that, I'm gonna look up ever since interception

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Speaker 4: return yardage, you compare it to d.

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Speaker 6: So you don't do that.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's cold blooded.

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Speaker 6: I fought, I'm go ahead if you if you haven't.

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Speaker 9: Seen The Gambler and his Cowboys, you gotta go watch that.

510
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Speaker 9: But the one with a playmaker, the one with Mike

511
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Speaker 9: and is I think you you go into the head

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Speaker 9: of these wide receivers, these wide receiver ones where if

513
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Speaker 9: the game's on the line, give me the ball.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 9: He talks about the time where he switched out, you know,

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Speaker 9: to to and it ended up going the other way

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Speaker 9: to Alvin Harper, and it's like, this is one of

518
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Speaker 9: those things. He wants the ball. And so you look

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Speaker 9: at the quarterbacks over the league. Man, it don't matter,

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00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 9: Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, and Taylor. He's gonna make other

521
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Speaker 9: guys here, the Clark and those guys are gonna get involved.

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Speaker 2: But he has his main guys.

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Speaker 9: To me, when I look at and this is a

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Speaker 9: conversation that I had with Nate Newton about clutch time

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Speaker 9: performs big game Hunters as he calls them, He's like,

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Speaker 9: look when it is all down, the chips are down,

527
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Speaker 9: and it's nut cutting time.

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Speaker 2: We got Mike's getting the ball. Jay Novacheck is getting

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Speaker 2: the ball. We already know.

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Speaker 9: The pecking order of the guys that are getting the ball.

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Speaker 9: This just shows the kind of leader though that Dak is.

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Speaker 9: It's like, hey, you run that route, you're open. I'm

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Speaker 9: going to get you the ball. But when it gets

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Speaker 9: down to clutch time, and it was the nineties Cowboys,

535
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Speaker 9: it's Mike, It's Mike and then j nova check.

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Speaker 2: So let's get to you, you know, get to your playmakers.

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Speaker 9: And you have two really good playmakers out there. Forced

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Speaker 9: feed those guys in moments like that, because that's.

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Speaker 6: Why he's paying it on that third down.

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Speaker 9: But that's why you pay them guys that money and

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Speaker 9: they live for moments like that. Not that Jalen Tobert.

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Speaker 9: Look he had this opportunity, but span Ford schoonmaker. No, man,

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Speaker 9: that's not taking anything away from But it's not their role.

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Speaker 6: It's not their role.

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Speaker 5: Well, Schottenheimers said it repeatedly. Sometimes when you call a play,

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Speaker 5: you're not calling the play. You're calling the play to

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Speaker 5: the player, like, Okay, I got to get the ball

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Speaker 5: to this guy in this situation. That's why I'm calling

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Speaker 5: this play.

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Speaker 8: And then the quarterback knows that right, yes, right, so yeah,

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Speaker 8: I just thought it was I'm kind of odd that

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Speaker 8: Tober was getting so many opportunities.

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Speaker 6: It didn't hurt us.

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Speaker 8: Uh, it was about fifty to fifty because you know,

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Speaker 8: making that catch, that that made up for a lot

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Speaker 8: of what I you know, previously thought about.

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Speaker 4: Here comes Okay, this is this is this is going

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Speaker 4: to be good because.

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Speaker 6: You know, you go.

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Speaker 2: By the way.

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Speaker 4: We'll probably carry over the dark conversation now to the

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Speaker 4: next segment.

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Speaker 2: All right, this is.

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Speaker 4: Good because this makes the Hall of Fame case.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it.

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Speaker 6: Walls, right, Dion.

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Speaker 4: Sanders, We consider him right up there, the greatest cornerback

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Speaker 4: of all time. Right up there, he's in the if

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Speaker 4: it's a it's a very short time. Okay, it doesn't

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Speaker 4: take long to call roll there, all right. Dion in

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Speaker 4: his career played one hundred eighty eight games. Everson Walls

572
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Speaker 4: played one hundred eighty six games. Okay, Dion had fifty

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Speaker 4: three interceptions in his career. Everson had fifty seven golden exception.

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Speaker 4: Right there's there, it is gold jacket right there. Wait

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Speaker 4: a minute, right away.

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Speaker 6: Now, another next show right away.

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Speaker 4: This is where we'll go ahead and give Dion the

578
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Speaker 4: greatest cornerback of all time. But that doesn't mean Everson

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Speaker 4: done belong in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 8: Okay, I still wouldn't give grades of all time, but

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Speaker 8: go ahead, or he's not in the conversation.

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Speaker 4: He's in the conversation. Okay, Everson, are you in the

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Speaker 4: conversation greatest cornerback of all time?

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Speaker 6: That should be?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, Yeah, I like it now, But you're

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Speaker 4: not the greatest interception returner of all times?

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Speaker 6: Right you already?

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Speaker 9: He said, I intercept it, but I'm down where I

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Speaker 9: did it?

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Speaker 2: Ever?

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Speaker 4: I mean, Everson on fifty seven interceptions had five hundred

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Speaker 4: and four return yards. So you sold yourself short there.

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Speaker 4: You said you didn't get any return yards, said no

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Speaker 4: touchdowns or you had one touchdown?

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Speaker 2: How long was the touchdown? Hello?

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Speaker 8: So that's seventeen It was right there, boy.

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Speaker 4: One interception I had in my life playing nine year

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Speaker 4: old Irving YMCA football. It was the seventeen yard return touchdown.

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Speaker 4: I had one intercepted Bill Banowski and took it to

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Speaker 4: the house.

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Speaker 2: All right, What.

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Speaker 6: He's a grown man, that man of Bill. That was

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Speaker 6: the end of it.

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Speaker 4: Well, he lived on the street over from so it

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Speaker 4: was a big rivalry he was older than me. Eight

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Speaker 4: point eight yards of return. Okay, congratulations, they got a

607
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Speaker 4: great career. Thank you, Dion on fifty three interception. Okay,

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Speaker 4: ever said I had five hundred and four return yards.

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Speaker 4: Dion had one thousand, three hundred and thirty one return yards.

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Speaker 4: That's twenty five point one yards per return and nine

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Speaker 4: touchdowns nine big.

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Speaker 6: I just always remember that. Just taking it to the.

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Speaker 4: House twenty five yards returns pretty nine. So he had

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Speaker 4: nine touchdowns.

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Speaker 6: And that's we're not talking plump returns. Well, we're just talking.

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Speaker 5: So when you ran seventeen yards, you didn't reverse field

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Speaker 5: and go there.

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Speaker 6: No. No, I was like, oh hello, hurry up, hurry

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Speaker 6: up there.

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Speaker 4: I'm adding one more.

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Speaker 8: I got tired and anxious because everyone was close to him.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, you still got Dion on picks

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Speaker 4: when it comes to the playoffs too. Okay, you if

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Speaker 4: you add the postseason and regular season together, you had

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Speaker 4: four picks in the postseason for sixty one in your career.

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Speaker 4: Dion had five or fifty eight.

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Speaker 9: So you have bad man. A bad man. That's a

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Speaker 9: bad man right there. I tell everybody they couldn't even

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Speaker 9: be around me.

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Speaker 6: Seventeen yards and you play the music.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I will right behind you as you walking like chef.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let's talk Dak here, and what got me thinking

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Speaker 4: about it on the drive in And it was great

680
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Speaker 4: that y'all have brought it up yourselves and talking about

681
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Speaker 4: Dak and how well he's starting the season, how good

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Speaker 4: he looks right now. He's in the same form he

683
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 4: was two years ago, and now he's got even more

684
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 4: weapons to throw to, and so you can see what

685
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 4: the promise is offensively for this team. What made me

686
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 4: think about it was I was listening to Bob Poppa,

687
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 4: the voice of the Giants on the radio driving in,

688
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Speaker 4: and he was talking about Justin Herbert last night, and

689
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 4: you know, the Chargers won twenty to nine. Herban played

690
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 4: a solid game and he's and they were talking about

691
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,959
Speaker 4: how Herbert's progress and how much better he looks now

692
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 4: whatever and pop.

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Speaker 6: Up every year.

694
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Speaker 4: But Bob Papa said, I can't get out of my

695
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 4: head what he does in the playoffs, and so I

696
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 4: understand he's doing. He looks great and everything, but I

697
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 4: can't get past how he's performed in the playoffs. And

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Speaker 4: I think obviously that's the thing on the national narrative

699
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 4: as far as Dak is concerned. It's not winning in

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Speaker 4: the playoffs.

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Speaker 8: Dak knows, as we all know this whatever, he had

702
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 8: maybe two good games in the playoffs, But then they don't.

703
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 4: People don't even remember the good games that he had

704
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 4: because the Cowboys haven't had playoffs success.

705
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 6: I mean, the Green Bay game where Aaron Rodgers beat us.

706
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Speaker 2: They don't even mention the Tampa Baca Bay game.

707
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Speaker 8: Well, they said about it because nobody wanted him to

708
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 8: beat Tom Brady that badly. I mean, I mean they

709
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 8: really you can actually tell that that was like a

710
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 8: little salt in the game because everybody's like, you know, well, man,

711
00:35:58,880 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 8: you see how he did Brady?

712
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, but after you know, as always.

713
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Speaker 4: And along those same lines, they're also talking about Baker Mayfield.

714
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 4: And I can't remember who's on the show with him,

715
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Speaker 4: and they were talking about they said, you know, Baker Mayfield,

716
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 4: he's up there, top five quarterbacks in the league. Now,

717
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Speaker 4: I mean they're riding the baker.

718
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Speaker 6: Ready to give it to him, exactly right.

719
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Speaker 4: And I'm like, Dak finished second in the MVP voting

720
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Speaker 4: two years ago, and nobody puts Dak in the top

721
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 4: never mind the top five, top ten. They don't put

722
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Speaker 4: him up there.

723
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Speaker 2: You know, it's rarely mean.

724
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Speaker 5: So I wish I had this. I did a kind

725
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 5: of a study. I picked out the quarterbacks in playoffs.

726
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 5: Big names, right, what was your record in a playoff

727
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 5: game where you had to score thirty or more points

728
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 5: to win? Almost everybody but Brady had a losing record.

729
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 5: Dak put up thirty two against Green Bay Cowboys give

730
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 5: up forty eight. He put up as a rookie, what

731
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Speaker 5: was it, thirty thirty one and then they kill.

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Speaker 4: Behind and had one of his best It was like

733
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Speaker 4: an eight tied the game up. It was like it

734
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 4: was like an eight min NFC Champions San Francisco. They

735
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 4: fell behind by so much and.

736
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Speaker 5: They give up thirty three points and he gets beat.

737
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 5: So and Peyton Manning was one of them. I looked

738
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Speaker 5: up and his record when.

739
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Speaker 6: He had to a wild yeah, and.

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Speaker 5: He had to score thirty some points, you know, when

741
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 5: he had to do that, they.

742
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Speaker 9: Got beat nobody's gonna The thing is, nobody's gonna cry

743
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 9: for Dak. He's highest paid quarterback in Nobody feels anything

744
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 9: when it comes to him or his accomplishments. And that's

745
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 9: why those people are so eager to push other people

746
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 9: in front of him without mentioning his accomplishments. And I

747
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 9: think DK just has to have that killer gene. This

748
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 9: is this is you got to you gotta do it.

749
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 9: And that's the only way you get these guys off

750
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 9: your back, that's the only way you get the recognition

751
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 9: is you go and you win it all. You go

752
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 9: out here in those clutch moments and you serve these

753
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 9: two piece when they least expected. I mean, no one

754
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 9: even came into this season given the Cowboys a chance,

755
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 9: let alone a chance against the you know, Philadelphia Eagles,

756
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 9: and he goes out there and he performs. You see

757
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 9: him in his second game versus the Giants lead twenty

758
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 9: five seconds, so whatever twenty seven seconds, whatever it is

759
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 9: to pull the game to overtime, that's clutch. Nobody ever

760
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 9: mentions that. You know, they'll talk about Aubrey, which was

761
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 9: crazy what he did. But in order to put you

762
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 9: in that position, Dak has to be lights out.

763
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Speaker 2: He's done it time and time again.

764
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Speaker 9: You look at his stats, where he is, who he's

765
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Speaker 9: passing in the organization. Again, they're so good at disrespecting him,

766
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Speaker 9: and the only way that he earns that respect is

767
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Speaker 9: going out and win it all.

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Speaker 2: That's it's on him.

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Speaker 8: Well, colirative is always about the team, the way the

770
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Speaker 8: team is run. A lot of times, whether it's a

771
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 8: one win or loss, it's like, you know, they concentrate

772
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 8: on the entire team instead of saying, Okay, this is

773
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Speaker 8: our leader. This is the Cowboys leader right here. They

774
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 8: just won't give him that. I was going to ask

775
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Speaker 8: you because a few years ago, a couple of years ago,

776
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Speaker 8: you had some stats about how many comeback wins he's had.

777
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Speaker 6: A game winning drive.

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Speaker 5: That was twenty four that he's had. He's tied with

779
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Speaker 5: Romo for the most. But here's what it's about. It's

780
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 5: not about Dak. It's what you got.

781
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 4: On your chest.

782
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Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. The organization is.

783
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 5: Said, Cowboys, that's what happens. What do you think that

784
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 5: used to happen and still happens in the Pro Football

785
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame Cowboys. Yeah, guys that aren't in that

786
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 5: should be in Cowboys. It's not what they did, it's

787
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Speaker 5: who they did it with.

788
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 6: That's right, because there was a.

789
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 5: There used to be in the eighties and nineties, this

790
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 5: bias against the Cowboys and too many guys that were voting.

791
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 5: Just on the East Coast.

792
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 6: Most reporters wouldn't say this Bass. You might, you might

793
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 6: get out watch, but I'm right. Yeah, I believe it.

794
00:39:58,760 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 6: I've always said it.

795
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 5: Us from Minneapolis, he was outspoken. I'll never vote for

796
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Speaker 5: a cowboy in Pro Football Hall of Fame.

797
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Speaker 8: And you see teams like the Eagles able to get

798
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Speaker 8: players in when I was the one time I was up,

799
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Speaker 8: Brian Dawkins made it. And then as you look at

800
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Speaker 8: the cornerback that made it last.

801
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Speaker 6: Year, Eric Allen. Yeah, Eric Allen. I like Eric Allen

802
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 6: first of all. That's my thing. Everyone to me, whoever

803
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 6: doesn't get in.

804
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Speaker 8: They I remember I walked on the bus. They said, man,

805
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 8: I thought you made it, man, you deserve to make it.

806
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 8: I said, man, we all deserve to make it. Yeah,

807
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 8: because I'm looking at Tory Holt sitting there saying I

808
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 8: deserve to make it. Tory Holt, you understand, man, you

809
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 8: deserve to make it too, but he didn't make it

810
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 8: that year.

811
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Speaker 5: You got to be on the if you're looking at

812
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 5: the map, got to be on the right side of

813
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Speaker 5: the Mississippi because they run it.

814
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: Now.

815
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Speaker 9: That's that's. Look, I don't have a vote. I don't know.

816
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 9: This is just all I'm saying is that that's if

817
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Speaker 9: I had one, I put them. You know that's hey,

818
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Speaker 9: if you know, if I had epson, if I had one,

819
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 9: Darren would be over for dinner. Yeah, you better believe it.

820
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Speaker 9: It's just it's unfortunate to see guys work their whole

821
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 9: careers to get to this point and for some personal

822
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 9: vendetta to be Oh, I was never a cowboy fan

823
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 9: growing whatever it is, you know that to me, that's

824
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Speaker 9: that's that's And I think.

825
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Speaker 6: What you're dealing with now is youth.

826
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Speaker 2: Uh.

827
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Speaker 8: You know, guys like you, sailf you're a little older,

828
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 8: you know the history of a lot of things. I

829
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 8: think the younger, the younger generation of reporters nothing on

830
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 8: them because they got a lot of players that they've

831
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 8: seen play that were hell of the players. But they're

832
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 8: not trying to go back freaking nineteen eighty one and

833
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 8: trying to go.

834
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Speaker 4: Back and the status are different now than it's a

835
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 4: different game now.

836
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Speaker 6: And they don't even want to tackle that. Yeah, they

837
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Speaker 6: don't even want to tackle that part of the subject.

838
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Speaker 5: The history, which, by the way, Javonte Williams, remember I

839
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 5: told you the story about three. I went back and

840
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 5: looked he's the first player wearing thirty three to score

841
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 5: a touchdown since Dorset. Interesting and they only had one

842
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 5: other running back though that.

843
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Speaker 4: War thirty three since Dorset.

844
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Speaker 5: Yeah it was Timmy Smith.

845
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Speaker 4: Oh wow, I didn't realize Timmy woard thirty.

846
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Speaker 5: Three in nineteen ninety.

847
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Remember who wore thirty three before?

848
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 4: He who won? It was there when he when he

849
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 4: signed with Texas Tech and Hobbs, New Mexico. Jerry Moore

850
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 4: was a coach at Texas Tech. I went on a

851
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 4: private plane with him to sign Timmy Smith. He was there,

852
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 4: a hot shot recruit who wore thirty three running back

853
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 4: War thirty three before Tony Dorset with the Cowboys.

854
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Speaker 8: Come on, man, come on, man, come week, come on,

855
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 8: we just go back.

856
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Speaker 2: To the seventh time.

857
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Speaker 6: I'm leaving both.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it was it was a silent.

859
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Speaker 2: You know what that was.

860
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 5: It was the guy that didn't want.

861
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Speaker 6: To talk.

862
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 4: Killed all sexis state.

863
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Speaker 6: He wouldn't talk, see, and they traded him and got

864
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Speaker 6: him back.

865
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Speaker 4: Uh huh, yeah, we need his name, Mickey out, come on,

866
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Speaker 4: Dwayne Wayne Thomas.

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Speaker 6: You should have just said Thomas. He would have missed it.

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Speaker 5: The guy would have said Bill Thomas, the guy that

869
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 5: wouldn't talk. And then he came to training camp one

870
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 5: year because they wanted to do interviews with him, and

871
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Speaker 5: he wouldn't leave.

872
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Speaker 6: He has something to say.

873
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Speaker 5: He was he was on John's couch because they didn't

874
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 5: have a place for him because they were doing a documentary.

875
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 5: And he came and he talked and talked and talked,

876
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 5: and finally three days later it was like, excuse us,

877
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 5: but uh, you know, we didn't plan on putting you

878
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 5: up for the whole week.

879
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 8: I was there at the Doug Williams of the Doug

880
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 8: Williams Super Bowl. I was there because I was there

881
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 8: because I had gotten a settlement from uh, the NFL,

882
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 8: because they were using my likeness without my permission.

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Speaker 6: Oh it was I'm sorry, Kodak. It was Kodak because

884
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 6: they're using the catch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I ended up getting a nice settlement. Part of

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Speaker 8: that settlement was going to the game, and so I

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Speaker 8: was gonna take my wife with me, but she was

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Speaker 8: pregnant with my son. So I took my best friend Man.

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Speaker 8: We had a ball and then to sit there and

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Speaker 8: watch Doug do what he did. Of course, my teammate man.

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Speaker 8: That was one of the best moments I've ever had

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Speaker 8: besides playing in sports.

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Speaker 4: Timmy Smith had two hundred and four yards rushing in

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Speaker 4: that Super Bowl.

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Speaker 6: And Doug had four touchdown passes.

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Speaker 4: Doug was the MVP.

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Speaker 5: As a black quarterback.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they asked him how long he had been a

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Speaker 6: black quarter.

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Speaker 2: Do you know?

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Speaker 5: That was one of the questions in my career.

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Speaker 6: It was an Asian kid. He was from from over

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Speaker 6: in Japan.

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Speaker 8: He's like, no, no, no, They said it was an

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Speaker 8: Asian girl.

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Speaker 6: It wasn't.

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Speaker 5: I worked with that guy.

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Speaker 6: So who wasn't who asked the question?

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Speaker 5: His name was Butcher John.

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Speaker 6: Why would he ask that question?

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Speaker 5: He didn't ask it the way it got pointed out,

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Speaker 5: it's he he prefaced it by saying, as long as

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Speaker 5: you've been a black quarterback? But it got turned around right,

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Speaker 5: and so it was well, how long have you been

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Speaker 5: black quarterback?

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Speaker 8: Well, that took it obviously the wrong way. Because he's like,

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Speaker 8: what are you asking that? What's going on here?

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Speaker 5: But he's responsible for me being in Dallas because I

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Speaker 5: was working with him in Jackson and we're both covering

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Speaker 5: Old miss for there was two papers and I was like,

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Speaker 5: I can't ride with this guy anymore?

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Speaker 4: Does Oxnard Oxford?

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Speaker 5: And I said, I got to find a new job.

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Speaker 4: So you went from Oxford to dog Snard. That's right,

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Speaker 4: all right?

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Speaker 5: We got our extra two minutes.

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Speaker 4: We did, we did, Okay, we turn our attention. Who's

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Speaker 4: the opponent this week? We didn't mention the Bear Bear.

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Speaker 2: I mean we can talk about them now.

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Speaker 4: Over to the Chicago Bears on the next edition of

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Speaker 4: Mick Shots at HIG noon tomorrow, Go Cowboys.

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