1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, the production of I Heart Radio 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Minky. Listener discretion is advised. 3 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: This is a strange story, one I've never told anyone publicly. 4 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: I'm not even sure how it relates to this episode's 5 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: haunted location, but nevertheless, it's the most memorable experience I 6 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: had there, so I feel compelled to share it with 7 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: you all. Back in I brought one of the producers 8 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: of my show Kindred Spirits to tour a property nearby, 9 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: a place we were already filming. I wanted him to 10 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: see it because I had investigated it before, and I 11 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: thought it would make an excellent investigation for the show. 12 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: As we toured what was this very old, very run 13 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: down hospital, I smelled the usual old hospital smells. Someone 14 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: recently asked me if old hospitals still smell like hospitals. 15 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: My answer, no, they smell like mold and future lung disease. 16 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: Except as I walked those halls on this particular day, 17 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: something very distinctly invaded that usual haunted hospital smell. I 18 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: got a very clear and very unmistakable whiff of my mom. 19 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: You see, my mom had passed away just over two 20 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: weeks before I had only very recently returned to work. Also, 21 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: my mom had a very distinct perfume she wore. It 22 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: could only be found in one place, a little shop 23 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: called Body Basics on Main Street in Plascaville, California. This 24 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: particular scent was called China musk, and we relentlessly teased 25 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: her for how heavily she doused herself in that scented oil. 26 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: But like I said, it was unmistakable. So here I 27 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: was roaming an old hospital in the middle of Nowhere, Tennessee, 28 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: the scent of my mom odd following me around and 29 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: a single tear slipping down my cheek. I don't know 30 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: why my mom decided the time to say hello was 31 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: as I was touring an extremely spooky hospital. But it's 32 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: just one of the many strange and unpredictable experiences I've 33 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: had at the old South Pittsburgh Hospital in South Pittsburgh, Tennessee. 34 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Brunei and this is haunted road. Nestled in 35 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains. South Pittsburgh, Tennessee, is 36 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: a city of just three thousand people today. It's the 37 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: home of the National Cornbread Festival, and is considered part 38 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: of metropolitan Chattanooga, but in centuries past it was a 39 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: thriving town with dreams of becoming a major center of industry. 40 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: An important part of the city's growth was the construction 41 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: of a hospital, giving residents a place to get serious 42 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:02,119 Speaker 1: medical care without having to travel. In nineteen fifty nine, 43 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: the South Pittsburgh Municipal Hospital opened its doors, but just 44 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: forty years later it was closed for good. The patients 45 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: moved to a larger facility nearby. Well, the living patients moved. 46 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: Some of the other patients and former hospital staff are 47 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: still there to this day, filling the hospital with shadow figures, 48 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: disembodied growls, and sinister warnings to get the hell out. 49 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: Now old South Pittsburgh Hospital is a hot spot for 50 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: paranormal activity, drawing in the paracias for ghost tours and 51 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: serious researchers for intensive overnight investigations to what many described 52 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: as one of the most haunted places in all of Tennessee. 53 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: South Pittsburgh, about thirty minutes outside of Chattanooga, was originally 54 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: Cherokee Land until the tribe was displaced from the area 55 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: by white settlers in the eighteen thirties. They called that 56 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: unincorporated part of Marion County Battle Creek Mines because of 57 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: the coal mining there. During the Civil War, Battle Creek 58 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: Mines was a contested area while there was nearby on 59 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: Union base Fort McCook. It was overtaken by the Confederates 60 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: in August eighteen sixty two. The battlefield where the Civil 61 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: War conflict ensued was only five minutes away from where 62 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: the hospital was later built. A year later, Union forces 63 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: recaptured the fort and troops marched through there on the 64 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: way to the Battle of Chickamauga in Georgia. South Pittsburgh 65 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: was incorporated in eighteen seventy six. Town founders named the 66 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: city South Pittsburgh in the hopes that it would become 67 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: as large a center of manufacturing as its Pennsylvania namesake. 68 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: Over the years, a pencil factory and a bottling works 69 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: were established there in addition to the coal mining industry, 70 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: but the city never took off as a manufacturing hub, 71 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: although the Lodge cast iron factory is still there, which 72 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: explains that whole cornbread festival. When it was first built, 73 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: Old South Pittsburgh Hospital was much smaller than the sixty 74 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: eight thousand square foot three floor facility it is today. 75 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,239 Speaker 1: Would originally opened in nineteen fifty nine as the South 76 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Municipal Hospital, had thirty five beds to treat patients, 77 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: offering emergency services, operations, and a maternity ward. A point 78 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: of pride to residence of South Pittsburgh was the city 79 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: took no outside funding to construct the hospital, which cost 80 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollars about five million dollars in today's 81 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: money to build. At the dedication ceremony, attended by over 82 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: a thousand people, Mayor L. W. Lloyd boasted that they 83 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: had not taken any state or federal funds for the 84 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,679 Speaker 1: hospital and said that the government should not be called 85 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: in to do for you which you can do for yourself. 86 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty two, a new wing brought the hospital's 87 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: capacity to forty seven beds, and another expansion in nineteen 88 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: one brought it to the size it is today, when 89 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: hundred seven beds and patient rooms and the icy U, 90 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: as well as operating rooms, a pharmacy, X ray facilities, 91 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: biohazard rooms, and a chapel. The facility shut down for 92 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: good in nineteen when a larger facility was built in 93 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: a town nearby. While it's in a state of serious disrepair. 94 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: The hospital is still filled with old medical equipment and, 95 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: in at least one instance, confidential medical records that were 96 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: left behind when the hospital relocated. Many visitors to the 97 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: ruins of the facility today say that it's also filled 98 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: with ghosts. Hospitals see births and deaths every day, and 99 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: between joy, suffering, relief, and sorrow see huge emotional highs 100 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: and lows. It's one of the reasons that decommissioned hospitals 101 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: sometimes becomes centers of heightened paranormal activity. All of that 102 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: energy leaves something behind. Old South Pittsburgh Hospital is no different, 103 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: but it does have its share of unusual stories, like 104 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: the unsolved murder of Caroline Haveron, the wife of prominent 105 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: doctor James Haron, who was instrumental in the push to 106 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: construct the hospital. Caroline was discovered murdered in her bed 107 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: while her husband was working an overnight shift. When Dr 108 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: Haveron made his usual daily call home on the morning 109 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: of May nineteen sixty four. His eight year old son, Dana, 110 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: answered the call, saying he couldn't wake his mother to 111 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: come to the phone. Caroline was discovered in her bed 112 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: with a single bullet hole in her skull. Local authorities 113 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: said the killer had to have been familiar with the 114 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: layout of the Haveron's home to have executed the murder 115 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: without waking Dana. Robbery was ruled out as a motive, 116 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: as Caroline's jewelry wasn't taken. To this day, the murder 117 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: remains unsolved. There are rumors of malpractice at the hospital, 118 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: though they are not substantiated by contemporary accounts. Another legend 119 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: that circulates about the hospital is that a plantation once 120 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: stood on its grounds but burned down, killing multiple people, 121 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: including children. There are no historical records of that either. 122 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: According to the Haunted Old South Pittsburgh Hospital Paranormal Research Center, 123 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: many believe the activity stems from the injuries, illnesses, and 124 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: deaths that occurred while the Old South Pittsburgh Hospital serviced 125 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: the community. Visitors have claimed to hear disembodied voices and 126 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: babies crying, and to see full body apparitions and shadow people, 127 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: but that activity didn't start after the Hasse Spital closed down. 128 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: When the facility was still operational, many employees there reported 129 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: strange occurrences. People would claim to see inanimate objects moving 130 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: on their own and dark figures in hallways. As the 131 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal Research Center describes, it was not at all uncommon 132 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: for these employees to observe various inanimate objects such as 133 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: medicine cards, hospital beds, wheelchairs, and other items seemingly moving 134 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: on their own. Don Parton, a lab technician at the 135 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: hospital in the early nineteen nineties who was interviewed by 136 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: the Sci Fi Channel's Paranormal Witness, claimed to have experienced 137 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: files of blood mysteriously shattering on the floor, elevators behaving abnormally, 138 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: the apparition of a man who disappeared when Don turned 139 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: his back, unexplained shadows, and the disembodied cries of infants 140 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: in the old maternity ward. He told the show that 141 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: he quit over his various paranormal experiences at the hospital. 142 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: The hospital has been closed for more than twenty five 143 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: years and is now open exclusively for paranormal investigation, both 144 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: daytime investigations and private overnight ones where a small group 145 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: of researchers have the run of the hospital until dawn. 146 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: People who have explored the hospital reports seeing a naughty 147 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: nurse who haunts the basement, who likes to inappropriately touch 148 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: visitors and whisper into their ears. On the third floor, 149 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: people frequently report seeing a seven foot tall shadow figure, 150 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: which is sometimes accompanied by a foul smell. Some believe 151 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: it to be the spirit of a surgeon at the hospital. 152 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: Notoriously unfriendly. The spirit has been said to tell visitors 153 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: to f off, get the hell out, and leave. According 154 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: to the Haunted Old South Pittsburgh Hospital Paranormal Research Center, 155 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: many spirits that seem to be intelligent have informed several 156 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: of the living that this spirit does not want them 157 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: associating with the living. A couple elderly women have appeared 158 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: to investigators to one who doesn't like women but who 159 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: will call out to male guests, and an elderly woman 160 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: named Hazel who was admitted for a psych evaluation and 161 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: died of an infection. She said to have an unforgettable 162 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: scream and tells people to go back in a rough 163 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: and gravelly voice. According to Paranormal Hotspots, there are also 164 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: reports of a hissing man near the biohazard area and 165 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: a man who died of tuberculosis calling out for help. 166 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: The Ghost Research Society has reported encountering an old janitor, 167 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: maybe named James, who died in the nineteen sixties but 168 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: is still roaming the hospital looking for his keys. The 169 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: Travel channel's Destination Fear claims that Room three or four 170 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: is the most haunted room in the hospital and is 171 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: home to a psychiatric patient named Nellie. Investigators for the 172 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: show took polaroids featuring an unexplained mist in that room 173 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: on the second floor is the most heartbreaking ghost of all, 174 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: the spirit of a toddler referred to as Buddy. According 175 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: to the Paranormal Research Centric, Buddy seems to enjoy playing 176 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: or urging the living to play with him. Many individuals 177 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: have stated that he requests to be held. People who 178 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: have come into contact with Buddy report having objects being 179 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: rolled towards them and the hopes that the people will 180 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: rule the object back and play with him. Coming up next, 181 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: we'll be talking to Ronnie D, the owner of Old 182 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: South Pittsburgh Hospital. We'll talk all about their ghosts and 183 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: the startling encounter that convinced him to buy the hospital 184 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: when most people probably wouldn't have set foot in it. Again, 185 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: that's coming up after the break, all right, So I 186 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: am now joined by Ronnie D who is the president 187 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: and owner of Old South Pittsburgh Hospital. We've worked together 188 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: on a few occasions you've seen him on Kindred Spirits 189 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: and kind of living my dream life. To be honest, 190 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: thank you Ronnie for joining us. Thank you for having me, 191 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: miss Broony. So tell me how did you get involved 192 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: with the hospital. Well, if was a paranormal investigator for many, 193 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: many years, and prior to owning the hospital, I actually 194 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: visited the hospital, so my group and I did some 195 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: pure normal research over there quite a few years prior 196 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: to owning the hospital. Okay, Now this is one of 197 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: those things like I've always wanted to do. Every time 198 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: I go visit a place like yours, I'm like, why 199 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: can't I find an old hospital to buy like this? 200 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: And I have to say, like, you are surrounded by 201 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: just a really lovely group of people. You have a 202 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: great team of volunteers folks helping you out. And every 203 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: time I go there, even though it's an old, spooky, 204 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: haunted hospital, there is a very warm feeling amongst you 205 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: and the crew you've kind of assembled. Do you feel 206 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: like everyone around you is sort of supposed to be 207 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: there in a way? Very much so. I mean, and 208 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: even going back to purchasing old South Pittsburgh Hospital, it 209 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: seems that it just kind of fell in my lap. 210 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: We just purchased another hospital which was down the road, 211 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 1: and the same thing kind of happened, where it just 212 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: happens to be in the right place at the right time, 213 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 1: and old South Pittsburgh was, in my opinion, kind of 214 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: spirit send. They were going to demolish the building and 215 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: it's got such a rich history. Just going back there 216 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: as much as I did, I really fell in love 217 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: with the building and think it kind of spoke to me. Yeah, 218 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: it's wild. I mean I felt that there is something 219 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: very spiritual about that place. So South Pittsburgh is definitely 220 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: the kind of town where when you're there, everyone knows 221 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: you're there. It's small, it's kind of sleepy, everyone knows everyone. 222 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: I remember when we were doing research for the hospital, 223 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 1: we were in the local library and there had been 224 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: some houses up there. At some point we were trying 225 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: to figure out what happened to those houses, and the 226 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: librarian was kind of eavesdropping on us, and then she 227 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: was like, Oh, you need to talk to Nancy so 228 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: and so she used to live there. Let me look 229 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: her up. And she pulls out a phone book, she 230 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: finds Nancy's number and just picks up the phone and 231 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: dials it for us. Next thing, you know, we're talking 232 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: to Nancy who lived in a house that used to 233 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: be on the site of where the hospital is. And 234 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: so that makes the research portion of it really great. 235 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: But I also imagine there's probably a lot of gossip 236 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: to that you kind of have to go through stories 237 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: and and vet them and figure out which is actually 238 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: historically accurate in what has just been kind of passed 239 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: down over the years. It's kind of like the Cheers town. 240 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 1: You know, we're walk downtown and like everybody knows your name. 241 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: It is a really quaint little town. I mean, we 242 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: were received when we first purchased the building kind of 243 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: harshly because the old owners were kind of spreading some 244 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: things that weren't necessarily true about the grounds. And one 245 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: thing that is very very important to us and an Amy, 246 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: I do have to say that you and your team 247 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: when you came out from Kindred Spirits was kind of 248 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: amazing because when you guys did your research, you came 249 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: up with some of those rumors that were going around 250 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: and you kind of got rid of a lot of 251 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: those myths. And that's one of the things that that's 252 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: a constant struggle because I think the old owners were 253 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: kind of in the paranormal for the wrong reasons. They 254 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: were in it to kind of scare people and to 255 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: make up history and make the building more I guess, 256 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: daunting than it really was. And once we actually started 257 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: on covering the real history, I think the building, like 258 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: you said, become more welcoming. It became more of a 259 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: happy place because you know, healthcare workers and the people 260 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: who were involved in the hospital want to be recognized 261 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: as being healthcare workers and helpers. And the old owners 262 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: really really brought up a bunch of you know, like 263 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: malpractice lawsuits and stuff like that that never happened, and 264 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: then created a lot of history before the hospital was 265 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: even built that weren't necessarily the truth. Yeah, we find 266 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: that a lot, and I do think that there is 267 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: this tendency of people, maybe not people who are necessarily 268 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: even in the paranormal, that you know, they buy something 269 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: like that and they see it as kind of a 270 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: business opportunity and maybe they don't even believe in ghosts. 271 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: So I can't always fault them for trying to kind 272 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: of sensationalize or makeup history that's going to bring in 273 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: the dollars, right, but I don't think they realize the 274 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: unrest that can cause in those buildings, you know, because 275 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: imagine you are a spirit and suddenly you have people 276 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: coming in talking about you constantly but saying very much 277 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: the wrong thing, making things up about you, some of 278 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: it horrendous, and you can't speak for yourself, and then 279 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: suddenly you start acting out even more. And so I 280 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: guess if you have the wrong reasons, you know, that 281 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: might work for you, you might get what you want, 282 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: more activity. But ultimately, from like a human perspective, I 283 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: think it's so important for us to get that history correct. 284 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: And I really like that you guys have put so 285 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: much focus on that, and it was really fun to 286 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: research the hospital, to be honest. So that being said, 287 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: one thing I've noticed about investigating at the hospital is 288 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: that it's ever changing. Like I've been there a few 289 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: times now, and you seem to have different entities that 290 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: kind of present themselves more often at other times, or 291 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: you have like a new entity that shows up. It's 292 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: really interesting how it kind of morphs what's happening there now. 293 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: Who's your like most noticeable spirit at the moment, I 294 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: would say probably the most hornless spirit that has come 295 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: kind of to fruition lately is Dr Taylor, And I 296 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: think you and I had spoke about him recently. It's 297 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: quite amazing, like in the last probably sixteen seventeen months. 298 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: Dr Taylor was one of the original doctors of the building, 299 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 1: very intelligent man, graduated from Vanderbilt University, was the top 300 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: in the medical field there. And one of the telltale 301 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: signs of Dr Taylor was, back in the old days, 302 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: you can actually smoke in the hospital, whether it was 303 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: a piper cigarette or anything like that, and Dr Taylor 304 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: was known for smoking pipes throughout the hospital when he 305 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: was working. He also used his pipe to kind of 306 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,959 Speaker 1: emphasize when you were doing something wrong in terms of 307 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: maybe not taking your medicine or you know, not taking 308 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: it easy after surgery. So he'd take his pipe and 309 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: kind of slam it in his hand and be like, 310 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: I told you, you know, not to do this kind 311 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: of thing. And we're finding that Dr Taylor is walking 312 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: through the halls and actually smoking that pipe when he's 313 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: walking through the halls, and we've had so many paranormal 314 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: groups who have come through and it's literally a cloud 315 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: of smoke accompanied by a really sweet kind of maple 316 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: surrapy smell, and we actually had somebody come in who 317 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: identified it as rabbit tobacco, which is illegal now because 318 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: it gave you kind of a little bit of a 319 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: buzz i guess. But then we also verified through a 320 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: couple of people who worked with him that that was 321 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: actually the tobacco that he did smoke while he was 322 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: working at the hospital, So we actually have validation that 323 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: we're pretty convinced that that's Dr Taylor, you know, walking 324 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: through the halls of Pittsburgh. That's so interesting to me, 325 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: Like pipe smoke and tobacco smoke in general, we encounter 326 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: that a lot, and I think we forget when we 327 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: were kids. Literally everyone was smoking around us. He would 328 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: go to the bank and the bank teller would be smoking. 329 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: You know, my great grandfather smoked a pipe, and that 330 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: smell was him, like it was such a part of him. 331 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: And even perfumes to become such an identifying mark to 332 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: a person that I can see why it would kind 333 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: of become their signature in the afterlife, even if they 334 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: don't intend it to be, like it's just with them, 335 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: And it's crazy how it triggers memories too. It's so 336 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: interesting that people recognize it and knew exactly what it was. 337 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: And it is also wild to think back on a 338 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 1: time when your doctor was just walking through the hospital 339 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: smoking is apparently wacky to back. I know, could you 340 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: imagine seeing your doctor who's treating you for cancer, you know, 341 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: light up a cigarette and start smoking in front of 342 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: it is kind of different times, but yeah, I mean 343 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: that is really his signature and his identifier. And we've 344 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: had not only public investigations, but private investigations at the 345 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: hospital where that the smoke is so dense that I've 346 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: been asked where we're piping in the smoke from. And 347 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: I actually had one guest who actually asked me to 348 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: take my clothes off because he thought it was coming 349 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: from me I had under my clothes. I was like, sure, 350 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: we can go to the bathroom. You know, I'll show 351 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: you that it's not me. It's completely a d percent 352 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,479 Speaker 1: coming from the building. And we convinced them pretty well 353 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: because as are walking through the hospital, it happened in 354 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: a completely different area in the hospital, and he was like, oh, 355 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: that would be impossible for you to pipe it in here. 356 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: So it's one of the phenomenon that's actually going into 357 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: the hospital. That puzzles me to this very day because 358 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: it is such a strong smell and it is such 359 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: a thick amount of smoke that it's just really unreal. 360 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: I mean, that's you have to experience it. I love 361 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: that you were willing to submit to a strip search 362 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: to prove that it wasn't you. You're like, okay, skeptic. 363 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: I got you well, and you know, and I get 364 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: it from the outside looking in because it is such 365 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: a dominating smell and the amount of smoke that comes out. 366 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: I would have been very skeptical too if it was 367 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: it was you know, me walking into the building and 368 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: seeing that happen. So we want to make sure that 369 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: it will. I'll tell Pittsburgh that we don't have people 370 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: who think we're doing things like that because as a 371 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: parallem investigator, our reputation means everything. Yeah, I say that 372 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,719 Speaker 1: to people all the time. I'm like, whether or not 373 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: you believe in ghosts, the least we can do for 374 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: people who come at us is get our history right, 375 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: you know. And so I think we that to the 376 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: ghosts too, and there are many at Old South Pittsburgh Hospital. 377 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: And so when we came there for Kindred, there were 378 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: some people that were having some more aggressive encounters. Has 379 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: that kind of tapered down a bit, or you do 380 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: still have any spirits there that seem a little angry. No, 381 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: I would say I think getting the history right and 382 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: actually doing the research and studying the people that are 383 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: in the hospital currently. I think now that we're telling 384 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: the truth, that's the atmosphere has become a lot more 385 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: light and eerie. We're getting a lot of more laughing 386 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 1: and chuckling and that kind of interaction with the spirits. 387 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: Even Jim, who was on the first floor, who was 388 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: the caretaker prior to me owning the building, even he's 389 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: kind of come out and become a lot lighter of 390 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: a person since we once again got rid of a 391 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: lot of the myths and rumors about him. I feel 392 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: like you had a really compelling first experience there. I 393 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: believe it was with a nurse. Am I remembering this correctly. 394 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: One of the reasons that I actually fell in love 395 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: with the building is Old South Pittsburgh gave me my 396 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: first full body apparition, kind of the holy grail of 397 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: you know, Paragorum investigating. We were on the third floor, 398 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: we were leaning up against the wall, across from the nursery, 399 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: which was the last year the babies were born at 400 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: Old South Pittsburgh. But it was a buddy of mine 401 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: and I and he was relatively new into the paranormal 402 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: researching and kind of out of the corner of our eye, 403 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: we both seem kind of a glow and all of 404 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: a suddenly, kind of walking down the hall towards us 405 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: was a nurse, I mean and Amy. It was as 406 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: plain as day. You could see the curls in her 407 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: hair and everything, and uh, she kind of stopped, looked 408 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: at us, kind of gave us like, what the heck 409 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: are you doing in my department kind of look, and 410 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: then proceeded to go into the nursery. The door actually 411 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: opened in the middle of the night, and she kind 412 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: of disappeared to the nursery. And that was my first 413 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: experience with a full body operation. And the thing that 414 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: I think was the freakiest about it was is that 415 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: my partner. We all know that when you investigate that 416 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: you should be in pairs, and my partner took off, 417 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: I mean just leaving me at the Old South Pittsburgh 418 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: on the third floor in the dark, kind of took 419 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: off to the break room. And one of the things 420 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: I think that was really kind of unique about our 421 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: team is that we didn't really share what we saw 422 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: until after the fact. And we went downstairs and he 423 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: kind of drew his little picture of the nurse and 424 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: I drew my stick figure of the nurse, and we 425 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: kind of switched papers, and he was like, that's what 426 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: I saw. I saw a nurse. And we talked about 427 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: the actual details of the nurse and it was an 428 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: amazing experience. And I think it was not only residual, 429 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 1: but I think there was an intelligent factor in there 430 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: as well too, because she literally stopped and made eye 431 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: contact with me as if to say, get off my floor, 432 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: you know, visiting hours are over, and then proceeded to 433 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: go into the nursery. So it was quite a unique 434 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: experience for me. I love stories like that. And then 435 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: I also wonder, like, what if, like the whole time 436 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: fold theory is true, Like some people feel like, for example, 437 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: the Princess at the Mount Washington Hotel, they feel like 438 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: she's existing in her time and then sometimes somehow kind 439 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: of pops through to our time and seems a little 440 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: confused about it. So I wonder if somewhere like in 441 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: the seventies or eighties. This nurse was walking down the 442 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: hall and sese two random guys wearing their you know, 443 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: paranormal Team T shirts outside the nursery, and she's like, 444 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 1: who are these people? Well, yeah, and you kind of 445 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: wonder if she's like on edge because I don't think 446 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: going to steal a baby or you know, they have 447 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: to know good. So yeah, I mean, but she stopped 448 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: and gave us that look like, you know, it's time 449 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: for you to get off my floor, and well, my 450 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: buddy is that he got off that floor and her 451 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: it was kind of funny to hear his footsteps and 452 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: him running away from me. And since then, Zach has 453 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: not investigated anymore. He looked at me and said, I 454 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: saw I need to see I believe now, and I'm done. 455 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: It proves to like, not everyone is cut out for this. 456 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: There are the Ronnie's and there are the Zacks. Either 457 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: you're just completely enamored with it after you have an 458 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: experience like that, or you run away and never return, 459 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: so which are both very fair responses, I would say, 460 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: But I hope you never let him live that down. 461 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: We don't, but we kind of bring that up every 462 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: once in a while because he was kind of found 463 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: in the break him. He was actually on the chair 464 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: kind of rocking back and forth, and I still to 465 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: this very day, don't think he believes what he saw 466 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: was really well. That brings me to that floor when 467 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: I was investigating there, I did see a very clear 468 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: shadow figure on that floor in that very area. I 469 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: think Adam and I had kind of separated. He was 470 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: down by the nursery, I was down at the other 471 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 1: end of the third floor, and we were just kind 472 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 1: of sitting and watching, and I distinctly saw a shadow figure. 473 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: And they do this a lot, this kind of peeking 474 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: out of the doorway, like I don't know if they're 475 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: just like trying to see who we are and they're 476 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: not comfortable and they don't want to come out all 477 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 1: the way. But I saw this shadow multiple times peek 478 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: out the doorway, and we actually did get it on 479 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: our DVR as it was happening. Now, is that something 480 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: that you're seeing fairly regularly in that area? Still, Yeah, 481 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: that's something that's very very regular in that area. And 482 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: kind of the reason why is after the nursery had 483 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: closed down, they had turned that whole wing into a 484 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: psych ward and a drug and alcohol treatment facility, and 485 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: the nurse three as well as their labor and delivery 486 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: rooms actually became like drafting rooms and work related rooms 487 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: to try and get some of those people back into society. Okay, 488 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: Like you said, I think that area still has got 489 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: a lot of residual and intelligent drug abusers because there 490 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: were quite a few drug abuse deaths up there as 491 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: well as there were a couple of suicides up there 492 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: as well too. From the psych ward. We actually had 493 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: a gentleman who actually jumped out of one of the windows, 494 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: and you kind of almost wonder if some of that 495 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 1: interaction or activity is people looking for the nurses kind 496 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: of peeking outgoing, you know, where are they time to 497 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: do some drugs? You know, that kind of a thing. 498 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: That makes more sense now, because yeah, it just seemed 499 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: very suspicious. I'm just really checking out the situation, isn't 500 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: that also, though, we're sometimes the spirits of children are seen, 501 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: because I feel like I remember there being a ball 502 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: up there something, but I could have the wrong area. 503 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: Children seem to be all over Hunt Adult South Pittsburgh 504 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: pretty much on every floor and every opportunity. But now 505 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: the third floor is home from Nellie, she had dementia. 506 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: She's really the main spirit that's up on the third floor. 507 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: Children do travel from Florida FLOORA body especially likes to follow, 508 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: you know, people around, especially young ladies, likes to play 509 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: with them in terms of you know, balls and that 510 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So there's plenty, plenty of children running 511 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: around the hospital. And now, have you had any investigators 512 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: come in just kind of recreationally who kind of did 513 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: the same thing, had any experiences that left them kind 514 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: of floored. It's kind of funny that you bring that up, 515 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: because we have this discussion quite frequently between myself and 516 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: my staff, and we do public investigations generally once a month, 517 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: and the thing that always cracks us up is it's 518 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: always the men who are two hundred and eighty pounds 519 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: six five, you know, these big monster men that walk 520 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,239 Speaker 1: in with their little hunter pound petite wives, and they 521 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: don't believe in spirits, they don't believe in ghosts, and 522 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: they're the first one to go sit in the car 523 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: during the public investigation because they were either touched or grabbed, 524 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: or they got their hair pulled or something unique like 525 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: that happens. And I would honestly, say Amy, that probably 526 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: happens maybe every third investigation. It's trained escapes. We call 527 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 1: those the reluctant spouses or the drag alongs. But usually 528 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: by the end of it, if they have not gone running, 529 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: they're totally into it. It's one or the other. We 530 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: either turn them to the dark side or they're one 531 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: and done. What are you guys doing in the hospital now? 532 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 1: Are you doing any more like renovations or clean up? 533 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: The first time I went there it looked very different. 534 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: Then the second time I went there. You guys have 535 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: done a massive amount of work. So are there any 536 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: projects you're working on right now? Currently? Just right now, 537 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: that's the summer months. It's like a million degrees in Tennessee. 538 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: So what we generally do is our work is usually 539 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: done in spring and fall when it's a little cooler. 540 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: So right now we're pretty much maintaining the building just 541 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: to keep it clean and ready for fernal investigating. I 542 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: know that we have a bunch of projects slated for 543 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: this winter. One of our goals is to get one 544 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: of the operating rooms kind of time current and get 545 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: some equipment in there and make it look like an 546 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: old operating room. We want to open up the basement again. 547 00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: The basement's got some issues in it that we need 548 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: to take care of. But those are kind of the 549 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: two big projects we have slated for the upcoming year. 550 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite time of year to investigate? 551 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: Is there ever any time that seems more active than 552 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: other times? To me? I think, and this is just 553 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: kind of my theory, I think the winter months are 554 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: way more active than the summer months, and I think 555 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: the air, in my opinion, is a lot drier, so 556 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: I think it's easier for spirits to actually manifest because 557 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: they can kind of pull that energy out of the 558 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: atmosphere a lot easier than they can when it's seventy 559 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: percent or ninety percent humidity. Old Pittsburgh seems to be 560 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: pretty active all year round, but I think that the 561 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: winter months is really really when it's just activity, is 562 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: just crazy, crazy active. I mean that building, to me, 563 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: it never stops. Having been in there a few times, 564 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: like you can just sit on any of the floors 565 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: and just quietly listen, and you will either see shadow 566 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: figures and see movement, or you will hear footsteps in 567 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: the distance, you will hear voices. It's so active and 568 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: never ending, and I think there's probably so many more 569 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: spirits that have yet to be identified and stories to tell. 570 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: And do you think that maybe you're investigating or that 571 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: activity in general, the fact that spirits seemed to be 572 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: so recognized there, do you think that brings in other 573 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: spirits from the area. You know, one of the things 574 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: that South Pittsburgh was it was not only a hospital, 575 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: but it was a meeting place for pretty much Olive 576 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: Maryan County. They used the cafeteria not only for the 577 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,479 Speaker 1: hospital itself, but a lot of the residents would come 578 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: and spend the afternoon there and kind of talk and 579 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: commiserate in the cafeteria. So yeah, so I think one 580 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: of the things that you know in the afterlife, I 581 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: think if they're spirits around and they're kind of having 582 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: a good time, that they reach out to the other 583 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: spirits and we get some of that activity back from 584 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,479 Speaker 1: the people who were there prior to living when they 585 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: were using the cafeteria is kind of a meeting place. 586 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: It is unique because we are coming up with so 587 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: many different names of spirits that we haven't had a 588 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: year ago. So I think that we are you know, 589 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: we get teams who come in who have interactions with 590 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: a spirit that we've never heard of for an hour here, 591 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: a half hour there, and I think they're really wanting 592 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: to tell their story. I love that about the hospital, 593 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: and I love the way you all treat it. Like 594 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: I said, I kind of want to crash your investigative 595 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: party on a regular basis. I just want just want 596 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: to come hang out you An, You're always welcome. You 597 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: have my phone number, You're more than welcome to stop 598 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: by any time you're in Tennessee. It's been really lovely 599 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: to chat with you again, and hopefully I will see 600 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: you in the very near future. I appreciate you taking 601 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: the time. Sure, Thank you, Amy. I often get asked 602 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: how I feel when someone takes an old building like 603 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: the South Pittsburgh Hospital and attempts to make it a 604 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: business based on its haunted happenings. Clearly, Ronnie's hope is 605 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: to eventually make this a museum and nonprofit. But in 606 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: the meantime, what's keeping that hospital standing is people like 607 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: me and maybe you, traveling from far and wide to 608 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: explore its corridors for ghosts. The reality is whether you 609 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: believe in ghosts or not. Sometimes the ghosts are what 610 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: keeps a place around. A place like old South Pittsburgh 611 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: Hospital caught in a space of not quite being old 612 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: enough to be super historic, but historic nonetheless, and in 613 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: an area where there probably isn't much future for that 614 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: building other than what capacity it operates in now. So 615 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: I say, as long as the spirits are being treated 616 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: with the respect and integrity they deserve, and paranormal investigators 617 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: and researchers are getting the opportunity to do what they 618 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: love and hopefully helping some wayward spirits in the process, 619 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: then go right ahead. I also often wonder when will 620 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: my haunted hospital come along? I'm always in the market. 621 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: I am Amy BRUNEI, and this was Haunted Road. Haunted 622 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: Road is a production of a radio and grimm and 623 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,959 Speaker 1: mild from Aaron Mankey. The podcast is written and hosted 624 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: by Amy Bruney. 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