1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Oh, welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: I know that many of you out there may have 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: a little bit of a Super Bowl hangover as we 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: roll into the Monday edition of the program. I am 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: still out in Phoenix. I was at the game yesterday. 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: I know over one hundred million of you were watching 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: at home. We've got an absolutely loaded Monday for you. 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: I appreciate k Fyi, our affiliate out here in Phoenix, 10 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: where we are the number one show in the market 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: hosting me for the past several days. Buck Sexton is 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: out all week. He is on his honeymoon with the 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: lovely Carrie. I've seen some of the photos that they 14 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: have posted from Instagram if you're curious how Buck is doing. 15 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: I imagine we're also putting some of that up at 16 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: Clay and Buck. So I will be with you solo 17 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: throughout this week as well. We've got a couple of 18 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: great guests with you. We'll discuss what's going on with 19 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: all of these different objects that are being shot down 20 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: with Elbridge, Colby, and the latest on United States China relations. 21 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: Also Tutor Dixon, Republican candidate for governor from Michigan. We'll 22 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: talk about one of the one of these objects being 23 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: shot down in northern Michigan, right around where the up 24 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: meets the Lower Peninsula. For those of you out there 25 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: who are familiar with the geography of Michigan. We'll discuss 26 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: all that and more. But I wanted to start talking 27 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: about the Super Bowl and the larger context and what 28 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: it came to mean and does mean to me and 29 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: many of you out there. And I want to start 30 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: by saying condolen syst the Philadelphia Eagles. I thought the 31 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: late defensive holding call was one that, by the letter 32 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: of the law, was a hold that if I were 33 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: an official, I probably would not have called because I 34 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: didn't think it was egregious enough to warrant the flag. 35 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: That is my hot take on the way that that 36 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: game concluded after it was tied up thirty five thirty 37 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: five Chiefs kick the field goal to win, and a 38 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: lot of the controversy has been associated with that call. 39 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: Always a great way, in my opinion, to finish off 40 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: the football season with the Super Bowl. And I thought 41 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 1: Phoenix and the Valley of the Sun out here did 42 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: a fabulous job hosting not only this event, but also 43 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: the Waste Management Open, which is one of the most 44 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: fun PGA Tour events of the season. But I wanted 45 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: to tell you some people out there listening to me 46 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: right now, I understand you say I refuse to watch 47 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: the NFL. I'm upset because of Colin Kaepernick. I'm upset 48 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:48,119 Speaker 1: over the kneeling. I'm upset the way the NFL has 49 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: made a decision to at times embrace wokeness. And I 50 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: understand that argument. Let me make a case for you 51 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: about why the NFL is actually everything that's good about 52 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,279 Speaker 1: America as it pertains to the Super Bowl in particular. 53 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: And this may be swimming a bit against the current 54 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: thread that is out there and the tide that is 55 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: out there, but I want to start with this. Sports 56 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: on their most basic level, are the definition of anti woke, 57 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: because sports is about the meritocracy. It doesn't matter what 58 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: color you are, it doesn't matter what gender you are, 59 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter who your mom and dad is, it 60 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: doesn't matter how much money your family has. Ultimately, the 61 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: rules hopefully are applied evenly, and everybody out there is 62 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: able to compete on an absolutely even playing field where 63 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: the goal was not equality. The goal is not equity, 64 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: The goal is dominance. Football is America. The Super Bowl 65 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: is the carnival of excess that makes this country great. 66 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: Everything that is told to us now about the woke 67 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: culture is directly repudiated by the actual on field results. 68 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: You either can play or you can't, and all that matters, 69 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: by and large is can you succeed. It is the 70 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: definition of the meritocracy. America should look more like the 71 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: NFL and more like the super Bowl instead of less. 72 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: And some people out there saying, I'm gonna turn my 73 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: back on the NFL, I'm gonna turn my back on 74 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: the super Bowl, and I understand that argument. But I 75 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: came from the world of sports, and what I have 76 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: seen is the toxic, woke culture of America trying to 77 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: make sports like it. And my argument is we need 78 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: to lean into the meritocracy of the Super Bowl and 79 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: make America more like the NFL, where the best man 80 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: in this case wins, but in the larger context of sports, 81 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: the best man or woman wins, and the goal isn't 82 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: to be even. There's a scoreboard and at the end 83 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: of the day, there's a winner and a loser, and 84 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: we need to focus more on that. In America, competition 85 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: is the fabric of American life, so I want to 86 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: start there with the meritocracy. I also want to tell 87 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: you something that doesn't get any attention, So OutKick is owned. 88 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 1: The site that I sold to Fox in May of 89 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one is now owned by Fox. And some 90 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: of you may have seen me this morning on Fox News. 91 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: I do a lot of Fox News appearances and I'm 92 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: out here doing Fox Sports events as well. One of 93 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: the things that I don't think gets talked about enough 94 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,679 Speaker 1: the amount of grinders that have to work to put 95 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: this Super Bowl performance on. I'm talking about people who 96 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: get up at two am when it is pitch black 97 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: and go out and make sure the cables are working 98 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: so that you can turn on your television and watch 99 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: the game. I did Fox News Sunday with Shannon Breeman 100 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: Bill Hemmer. Had to be up super early, got to 101 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: the stadium yesterday in the pre dawn hours. There were 102 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: hundreds of people already working there, black, white, Asian, Hispanic 103 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: men and women standing out in the darkness to make 104 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: sure that this event happened for all of you. None 105 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: of those people get any attention. They are the fabric 106 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: of America as well. Not highly paid for the most part, 107 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: not getting any sleep at all, up for you grinding 108 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: to put on this production. Both Fox Sports and Fox 109 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:59,239 Speaker 1: News employees, and I don't think they get enough credit 110 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: for what they're able to accomplish. What about this spectacle 111 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: of the game itself. It's capitalistic excess on steroids. It's amazing. 112 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: The commercials. I happen to like ben Affleck and the 113 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: Duncan Donuts commercials. I'm a big fan of Breaking Bad. 114 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: I like the fact that we brought back those guys. 115 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: Credit to Greg Gutfeld, the new king of Late Night 116 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: at Fox. I thought his commercial was really entertaining to me. 117 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: The capitalistic excess of the Super Bowl is about everything 118 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: that America does. We do whatever the world does, except 119 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: we do it better and that ties in. Some of 120 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: you may not like Rihanna. I happen to like her. 121 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: One of her songs used to be my lead in 122 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: and my sports talker radio show. What does Rihanna represent? 123 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: She came here from Barbados. She came here to the 124 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: United States because she was talented and she wanted to 125 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: dominate America. Is the country that people come to when 126 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: they are talented and they want to dominate because we 127 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: create more global superstars than anyone. And I thought it 128 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: was so interesting watching Rihanna, who appears like she's pregnant again, 129 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: watching the spectacle of the halftime show, not on television 130 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: but from the seats, and being able to see the 131 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: number of people that had to be brought out to 132 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: put this stage together. I don't know what the stage 133 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: costs millions of dollars for basically a twelve minute performance. 134 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: The best in the world, representative of Rihanna, come here 135 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: so that they can make their livings, the most talented people. 136 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: It's the meritocracy. It is the heartbeat of America. The 137 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:47,359 Speaker 1: super Bowl and its carnival of excess in its complete 138 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: and total embrace of capitalism and the meritocracy, in its 139 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: featuring of incredibly talented people. It represents the best of 140 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: America and I'm not going to allow the woke Zealots 141 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: to take it away from us. You know, there was 142 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: a moment, and you may have seen it in the 143 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: pregame where the national anthem was playing, and they caught 144 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: the Eagles coach Nick Sirianni, He's not an actor on 145 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: the sideline so overcome with emotion that tears began to 146 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: run down his cheeks during the national anthem. That's my America. 147 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: That's the America I see every day where almost everyone white, black, Asianist, Banic, 148 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: whatever your background, wakes up proud to be a citizen 149 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: of this country. And I think the media has focused 150 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: way too much on divisive figures. I didn't see a 151 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: single person kneeling during the national anthem during America the Beautiful? 152 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: How good was Chris Stapleton, by the way, singing that anthem. Now, 153 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: the NFL is not perfect. There are things do that 154 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: I believe nod far too often to this woke culture 155 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: that is the antithesis of everything that the NFL should represent. 156 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: But my goodness, when you consider the overall scope and 157 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: the reach and the impact of one hundred million plus 158 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: people all brought together to watch one game that is 159 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: importantly innately American. Nowhere else do they play football. We 160 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: created it here. It is, in my opinion, the heartbeat 161 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: of American life. And so I was standing next to 162 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: in this seat, Joe Biden made the trip down and 163 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: I was talking with Bill Hemmer, who was sitting next 164 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: to me about the fact that Joe Biden didn't come. 165 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: We're out here in Arizona. I say, you know what, 166 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: if they put Joe Biden on this screen, the entire 167 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: stadium would have boot That's why he didn't come. Because 168 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 1: the Democrat Party has become the antithesis of sports and 169 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: the meritocracy. It's why they showed celebrities all throughout the 170 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: game on the JumboTron in the stadium. Do you know 171 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: the only celebrity they showed on the JumboTron who got booed? 172 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: Lebron James? Why? Because Lebron James has sold his brand 173 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: of excellence. His brand is wildly talented basketball player, but 174 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: he has sold the idea that America is an awful, 175 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: racist place. And sports fans from across the political spectrum 176 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly reject that. They don't reject Lebron's talent as an athlete, 177 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: he's clearly one of the best of all time, but 178 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: they reject the message that he has sent that America 179 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: is an awful, irredeemable racist place. Sports fans are rising 180 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: up and rejecting woke. This is important because sports is 181 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: a reflection of where the country is, and if we 182 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: had allowed this woke virus to spread to such an 183 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: extent that it took over all of our sports, the 184 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: culture would have become, I believe, even more anti American. 185 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: But as I experienced yesterday here in Phoenix, the carnival 186 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: of excess that is the Super Bowl, I have not 187 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: been more optimistic in a very long time that the 188 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: woke fever is breaking and that we are poised. And 189 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: I understand sometimes the darkness before the dawn can feel very, 190 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: very intense, but I believe we are poised to break 191 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: through this woke virus once and for all and kick 192 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: it to the curb. And I believe it's going to 193 00:12:55,720 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: happen in twenty twenty four with the right candidate in 194 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: a monster win. In fact, I'm writing about this right now, 195 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: so I'm thinking about it a great deal. My next 196 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: book is coming out in September. I'm thinking about what 197 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,359 Speaker 1: that looks like, and to me, it needs to reflect 198 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: everything in the NFL, the meritocracy, the fact that sports 199 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: itself is anti woke. And again, I understand that some 200 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: of you out there are furious with the NFL over 201 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: the way they handled Kaepernick over that, but here's the deal. 202 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: You win by fighting battles. You very rarely win by 203 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 1: giving up the battlefield to your opponent. And I believe 204 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: that we are winning in a big way, and yesterday 205 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: was an important metaphor in my opinion, for how that 206 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: battleground looks and what is coming for the future. I'm 207 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: going to give you guys an opportunity to weigh in 208 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: a great deal during the course of today's show. Eight 209 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: hundred two A two two eight a two Clay Travis 210 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 1: out of here live in Phoenix, having an absolutely fantastic time. 211 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you who were out there listening to 212 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: me right now. Hope you took my advice and took 213 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: the chiefs and Patrick Mahomes to be the MVP. By 214 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: the way, I got both those things right. Did not 215 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: get right on the over under. I thought there would 216 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: be fewer points scored than there were. But what a game. 217 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: If you think about what's being taught in schools these 218 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: days and you're concerned, you have a right to be. 219 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: Are you worried about what your children or grandchildren are 220 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: learning or not learning in school? 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Welcome in 237 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: our number three Clay Travis buck Sexton Show from out 238 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: here in Phoenix. Day after the Super Bowl, Valley of 239 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: the Sun did itself a splendid service with all of 240 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: the people that have been out here. I have been 241 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: broadcasting in the KFYI studios appreciate all of you listening 242 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: in the Phoenix area, where we have been for many 243 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: parts of the last couple of years, the number one 244 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: rated show in all of the Phoenix area, So we 245 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: appreciate all of you out there listening to us across 246 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: the valley and certainly around the country outside of this country. 247 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: Buck seen on his honeymoon this week with the Lovely Carry. 248 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: You can follow him on Instagram. He has been sharing 249 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: some photos of occasionally of their honeymoon out there in 250 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: the South Pacific. The weather it's very nice, appears to 251 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: be quite nice beaches out there. He will be back 252 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: on Monday of next week or Tuesday of next week. 253 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: He's out on the honeymoon right now, so I'll have 254 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: you throughout the course of this week. Solo. Want to 255 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: also let you know, go subscribe to the podcast. You'll 256 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: never miss a moment of the program. You can search 257 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: out my name, Clay Travis. You can search out Buck Stexton. 258 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: You can hear the conversation that we began this show 259 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: talking about. When I argued and I think I made 260 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: a pretty good case that the Super Bowl is anti 261 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: woke and that many people in the sports media have 262 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: managed to convince sports fans that they're more woke than 263 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: they actually are. You should hate the sports media, not 264 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: the sports leagues themselves. Again, encourage you to go into 265 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: that will continue to unpack. You can also weigh in 266 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: as many of you have eight hundred two eight two 267 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: two eight eight two. You can also send emails be 268 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: a VIP as part of the Clay and Buck VI 269 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: I P subscription service. So as we were going to break, 270 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: I was talking about as a kid growing up, there 271 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: are a couple of theme musics that would come on 272 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: and you just basically get chillbumps and you'd be terrified. 273 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: One of them was America's Most Wanted, which I probably 274 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: watched a hundred times or more, and every single time 275 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: convinced myself that somebody who was America's Most Wanted was 276 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: right outside of my door. Here is what the America's 277 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: Most Wanted. For those of you who remember, theme song 278 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: sounded like, all right, a little bit scary. The one 279 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: that really got me though, was the Unsolved Misseeries theme. 280 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: And given the fact that we are shooting down objects 281 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 1: all over the place, this Unsolved Mysteries theme, and I 282 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: know some of you out there, there's the X files 283 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 1: that got you. But if you are around my age, 284 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: and you grew up in the seventies, the eighties, and 285 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: the nineties when this show was rolling, you probably watched 286 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: it when you shouldn't have. You may have watched it 287 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: when your parents weren't home and it was dark outside 288 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 1: and you thought to yourself, why in the world did 289 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: I watch? This is what the theme music sounded like. 290 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: Oh man, I mean I got chill bumps just listening 291 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: to that. It took me back in time. I've bet 292 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: a lot of you out there. This is the perfect 293 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: theme music for the topic that we are now discussing. 294 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: We are on seventy two hours since the Biden administration 295 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: shot down a second object off the coast of Alaska. 296 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: They then shot down an object in Canada. They shot 297 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: down an object in Michigan. We talked with Tutor Dixon 298 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: at the top of the second hour. We still don't 299 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 1: really know what it is. Over the weekend, as the 300 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: questions were coming in, a lot of people out there 301 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: were saying, well, what could this be? This is from yesterday? 302 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: Nor At Commander Air Force General Glen van Herk refused, 303 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: I can't believe this is real. Refuse to rule out 304 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: aliens as potentially the source for what was being shot down. Listen, 305 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 1: because you still haven't been able to tell us what 306 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: these things are that we are shooting out of the sky. 307 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: That raises the question, have you ruled out aliens or 308 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: extra terrestrials and if so, why, because that is what 309 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: everyone is asking us right now. I thank truly question, Colleena. 310 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: I'll let the intel community and the counterintelligence community figured 311 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: that out. I haven't ruled out anything at this point. 312 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: We continue to assess every threat, our potential threat unknown 313 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: the approaches North America with an attempt to identify it. 314 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: Yesterday we hadn't ruled out aliens. I mean, this is 315 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: one of those things. Remember how crazy twenty twenty was 316 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: that they finally came out with, Hey, the government has 317 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: tons of UFO files. The Pentagon's been spending tens of 318 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: millions of dollars trying to identify this stuff. There's all 319 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: these videos out there from fighter pilots and they can't 320 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: explain what these unidentified flying objects are. UFOs basically were real, 321 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: And it was like the tenth page of the newspaper. 322 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: That's how crazy twenty twenty was. Well, I didn't even 323 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: see this on the front page of the newspaper. We 324 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: got a guy in the Air Force saying, yeah, it 325 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 1: could be aliens. We could be shooting down alien craft 326 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: of some sort. Well, today, the brilliant, the esteemed, the 327 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: greatest White House Press secretary, who happens to be a 328 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,479 Speaker 1: black lesbian in the history of America, wanted to make 329 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: it clear not aliens. Listen. I know there's been questions 330 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: and concerns about this, but there is no again, no 331 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:13,959 Speaker 1: indication of aliens or extra terrestrial activity with these recent takedowns. Again, 332 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: there is no indication of aliens or terrestrial activity with 333 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: these recent takedowns. Wanted to make sure that the American 334 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: people knew that, All of you knew that, And it 335 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: was important for us to say that from here because 336 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: we've been hearing a lot about it. Yeah, because the 337 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: Air Force general said it could be aliens. So now 338 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: Karine John Pierre has to come out and say it's 339 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: not aliens. The point here is, can we get the 340 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: Unsolved Mysteries soundtrack going again? Can we play it right now? 341 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: The point is there we go. We have a legit 342 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: unsolved mystery crisis at play here, and I know a 343 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: lot of you out there are like, oh my goodness, 344 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: you're having flashbacked. You're afraid we have a legitimate UFO 345 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: seventy two hours in. So is this China who is 346 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: sending these objects? Is it possible? Okay, you can pull 347 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: it back. I don't want people. I don't want people 348 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: unable to sleep tonight. Is it possible that? Here? Is 349 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: my theory based on all of this evidence, it seems 350 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: to me the most likely outcome here is one of 351 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: two things. One, China sent the spy balloon here, which 352 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: we know they did, to see how we were going 353 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: to respond to it, how long it might take us 354 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:50,239 Speaker 1: to recognize it, and given how long it took us 355 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: to recognize it and the fact that we let it 356 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: traverse across the entire United States, they then said, okay, 357 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: let's send smaller spycraft and see whether or not US 358 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: air defense systems pick it up or not, and that 359 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: as a result, we have decided to shoot these down, 360 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: which is ostensibly Joe Biden acknowledging, Hey, I blew it 361 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: when we didn't shoot down this Chinese fib balloon off 362 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: the coast. And for those of you, including Mayor Pete 363 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: who was laughing about this today. To me, it seems 364 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: quite clear that China is testing to see, in the 365 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: event that they were to enter into a war with US, 366 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: whether they could potentially deliver explosives, bombs, viruses, bioweapons to 367 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: the United States in a relatively cost effective manner without 368 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: having to commit either men or substantial materials, and deliver 369 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: it in the United States as an attack upon our territory. 370 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: And so that to me seems like the most likely 371 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: explanation for what could be going on. Secondary explanation, and 372 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: by the way, it wouldn't have to be China, right 373 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: Another American adversary could have seen how we responded to 374 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: the Chinese spy balloon and they could have decided to 375 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: send their own version of that into the United States. 376 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: So that's not crazy. I think that's one legitimate possibility 377 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: about what's going on right now. Secondary is the Biden 378 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: administration is so gunshy now, so embarrassed by the way 379 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: that they responded to the Chinese balloon, that they now 380 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: are shooting down all sorts of things that truly are 381 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: not dangerous to the United States. They have upped the 382 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: radar examination and they are identifying more objects and if 383 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: they can't immediately tell what those objects are, they are 384 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: shooting them down in the event that they were also 385 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: foreign adversarial based UFOs. And the fact that we're now 386 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: seventy two hours, in seventy two hours into essentially the 387 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: first object being shut down off the coast of Alaska, 388 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: how is it possible that we don't know exactly what 389 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: it is after seventy two hours. This administration promised that 390 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: they would be the most transparent in American history, Yet 391 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: they have consistently been the least transparent. They have failed 392 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: to share basic information that I think the American people 393 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: would have a willingness and a desire to know. I 394 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: told you on Friday, as we finished the final hour 395 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: of the show, I said, we'll be back on Monday. 396 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: Hope you guys all enjoy the Super Bowl. Surely we 397 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: will know by Monday what exactly this was. And here 398 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: we sit seventy two hours after those shootdowns occurred, and 399 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: they still have not provided us any definitive notice of 400 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: what these objects may be. And in fact, they've done 401 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: the opposite, because they've trotted out an Air Force general 402 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: to say it could be aliens. And over the weekend 403 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: If you have friends who closely follow the news, I'm 404 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: sure many of you do, you probably had text chain conversations. 405 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: You might have had face to face conversations where people 406 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: are like, Hey, we're evidently we're being invaded by aliens. 407 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: My own wife put her out there. She keeps saying, 408 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: I think these are missiles. I think they're testing to 409 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: see whether or not these things can reach here, not 410 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: necessarily trying to explode them here, but just seeing whether 411 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: they can deliver the payload devices this way. This is 412 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: China testing it. I think there's probably some of you 413 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: out there that would buy into that hypothesis as well. 414 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: But in the absence of direct, clarifying information, conspiracies develop, 415 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 1: theories take root, and the story runs far ahead of 416 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: the facts. So why can they not provide a legitimate 417 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: explanation for exactly what's going on? I think it's a 418 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: very fair question and one that we will discuss with 419 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: Elbridge Colby coming up. He's an expert on China US 420 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: relations Taiwan. How could all of this tie together? What 421 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: exactly is going on? 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I'm out in Phoenix. 451 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: Super Bowl yesterday we react good to it, had some 452 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: big discussions about the larger culture there. We now are 453 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: headed up to Michigan where Tutor Dixon, Republican candidate for 454 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: governor is. She is doing a podcast soon that will 455 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: be a part I believe of the Clay and Buck 456 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: network as a part of iHeart and she ran against 457 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: Scretch and Whitmer in November. Tutor, appreciate you you're joining us. 458 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: We wanted to talk to start about what got shot 459 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: down in Michigan. Do we have any idea and why 460 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: don't we have a full fuller picture of what exactly 461 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: is going on as one of these unidentified objects was 462 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: shot down I believe near the up in Michigan. Yeah, 463 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't it be great to have more information? Thank you 464 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: for having me by the way, we're I'm excited to 465 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: be on We're in Michigan, certainly wondering exactly what this was, 466 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: but the whole country is I mean, this is the 467 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: forest thing that we're talking about being shot down. These 468 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: are being called objects. The first of course was saying 469 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: the supposed surveyor and spy balloon. But we don't even 470 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: have enough information on that. And think about how bizarre 471 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: this is when you already have Justin Trudeau who has 472 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: come out and addressed his nation. Joe Biden is ducking reporters, 473 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: still running into SUVs, and Gretchen Whitmer is playing footsie 474 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: with China and everybody in the United States and saying, 475 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: wait a minute, Wait a minute, is this China? Is 476 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: China surveilling the country on a regular basis? Is this 477 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: more than a surveillance device? We don't have that information, 478 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: and that's why people are so beside themselves over this. 479 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: But think about this. At the same time, you have 480 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: Chinese corporations that Gretchen Whitmer say, welcome to Michigan. Yes, 481 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: we are the center points of North America between Canada 482 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: and the United States. Please come have our land, take it, 483 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: build your businesses. Would we would love that. It's so 484 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: bad for Gretchen Whitmer, by the way, that Jake Tapper 485 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: at CNN is even doing journalism. I want to play 486 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: you a cut of Gretchen wit being asked, particularly in 487 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: light of the fact that who knows where this object 488 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: that was shot down is from and whether it might 489 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: just be Joe Biden overreacting now his administration because they 490 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: blew it the first time we had the Chinese spy 491 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: balloon come across the country, and now they're shooting down 492 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: things left and right, whether they're associated with China or not. 493 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: But I did think this was a good question from 494 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: Jake Tapper on CNN of Gretchen Whitmer about her embrace 495 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: of TikTok given what's going on in the country right now. 496 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: Listen to use TikTok on one device that has nothing 497 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: else on it. It is a communication tool. We don't 498 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: do it because it's fun, Although some people think what 499 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: I put out there can be fun on occasion, my 500 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: kids disagree. I don't buy that you don't have fun 501 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: doing TikTok. But the point is we have it on 502 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: one device that has no access to anything else because 503 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: so many people get their information that way, whether we 504 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: like it or not. That is a tool for disseminating 505 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: important information and that's how we use it. But we're 506 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: always evaluating because we want to make sure that we 507 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: are protecting data in Michigan, and that's why we're always evaluating. 508 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: But at this point, the way we use it is 509 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,959 Speaker 1: is secure. We might have shot down something from China 510 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: over Michigan, and Gretchen Whitmer is fine with using a 511 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:17,239 Speaker 1: Chinese based app to communicate with Michiganders. And beyond, what 512 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: do you think about that, tutor? This is how little 513 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: she cares about national security. Chuck Schumer is out there 514 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: saying there should be a federal ban on TikTok on 515 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: all government devices. Now you expect me to believe that 516 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: Gretchen Whitmer has some secret TikTok burner phone. And she's like, look, 517 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: the dogs are doing something that Michigan has to see. 518 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: Scrab the burner phone. We've got to give me a break. 519 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: It is really funny to argue the only like they 520 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: have a special burner phone that only has TikTok downloaded 521 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: on it. I mean, who is paying for this phone? 522 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: Is this like how many burner phones does Gretchen Whitmer 523 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: need If she's using different phones for different apps. This 524 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: is crazy, I mean, and that makes no sense. It's 525 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: a great point. I feel a TikTok coming on. You've 526 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: got to get the burner phone, I mean. And the 527 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: things that she says are so incredibly important are like 528 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: her leather jacket fashion show she did that, she dances 529 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: with her daughters, and I'm meant to believe that there's 530 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: constantly a staffer around her that's like, we've got well, 531 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: let me make sure this is secure. Let me make 532 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: sure that this is nothing that the Chinese need, because 533 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,719 Speaker 1: obviously this important information that is so critical that she 534 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: has to communicate on TikTok is important enough for people 535 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: in Michigan, but it doesn't matter to the Chinese. It's 536 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: not that important. I mean, come on, this is a 537 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: vanity issue here. This is somebody who wants to be 538 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: out there constantly in the public eye, acute and adorable. 539 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: This is not what a governor does, and it's certainly 540 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: not someone who's taking national security seriously does. But look, 541 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: she's not taking national security seriously. We've got an announcement 542 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: today that while if you look at the media, it 543 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: will say Ford is bringing a new battery plant to Michigan. 544 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: Let me remind you of a couple of weeks ago 545 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: when Governor and Junkin came out and said, listen, Michigan 546 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: can take our sloppy seconds because I'm not interested in 547 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: having a Chinese corporation in Virginia and gretch and what 548 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: we said, we welcome a Chinese corporation, it's not for it. 549 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,399 Speaker 1: It's a partnership with a Chinese corporation that will buy 550 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 1: property in the state of Michigan and have a company. 551 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: So let me tell you something. China is not saying, 552 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: yes we are, we are going to welcome American companies 553 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 1: to buy property here. We don't own property in China, 554 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: and we shouldn't allow the Chinese to own property in Michigan. 555 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: But she has zero economic plan. She stated this from 556 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: the very beginning. The only economic plan she had the 557 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: entire campaign was she was going to offer people abortions. 558 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: And that was truly when she was asked her economic plan, 559 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,760 Speaker 1: that was truly what she came out and said. Now 560 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,919 Speaker 1: she's going to play footsie with Chinese. Beyond footsie, she's 561 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: welcoming them into the state and she's using their funny 562 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: little social media apps that are sucking information out of 563 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: state government into China. It's absolutely horrendous, and I would think, 564 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,879 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got your heartbeat on the pulse though, 565 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: the pulse on the heartbeat of Michigan right now. This 566 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 1: is crazy to me. When we did Friday Show, Tutor, 567 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: I said, we'll certainly know what we might have shot 568 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: down by the time we come on Monday show. Since then, 569 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,760 Speaker 1: we've shot down more things over the weekend again, including 570 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: in Michigan. Isn't it kind of crazy that we don't 571 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: have any idea what's actually going on here. There's a 572 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: couple of things that are disturbing here. We ask, well, 573 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: how all of a sudden are all of these things 574 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 1: floating above the United States? And the government says, oh, 575 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: we tweaked at the radar a bit, what we tweaked 576 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: the radar a bit? Yeah, this could have been always happening. 577 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: What are these things? And to your point, are they dangerous? 578 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: Are they something from another country? You know, we're everybody's saying, well, 579 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 1: these are unidentified options, and so people are like uf 580 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: UFOs are obviously not always alien, but you know, then 581 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: there's the rumors that go around it's self repelled. There's 582 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: no there's it's just a cylinder floating above the earth. Yes, 583 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 1: we should have some briefing from the government about this, 584 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: because the reality is people are terrified. I mean, there 585 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: really are people across the country that are like, what 586 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: is happening? Are we going to get invaded? Are these 587 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: things that could be holding bombs? Could they hold bioweapons? 588 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: We just went through a pandemic and this administration came 589 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: in and said, our number one issue is going to 590 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: be to keep people safe, get people back to normal life. 591 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: But they're not telling us when we have something that 592 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: appears to be a major safety issue. Why. I mean, 593 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: if you have jets scrambling to shoot something down, you 594 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: sure it's heck, better tell the American people what's going on, 595 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: no doubt. And that's a great point about tweaking the 596 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: radar as well, because that, to me, he means maybe 597 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: the radar wasn't working. Like the whole purpose of the 598 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: radar is for us to know about potential threats that 599 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 1: could be in our airspace. And it's not crazy to 600 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: think that when Joe Biden allowed a Chinese fybline balloon 601 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: to enter the United States and Idaho, go all the 602 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: way across the country and then exit in South Carolina. 603 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,839 Speaker 1: That China or some other foreign adversary might have thought, Oh, 604 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: I wonder what we can get away with now, and 605 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: that is now precipitating these issues. But the fact that 606 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: we don't know coming up on basically seventy two hours 607 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: since the first object was shot down off the coast 608 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: of Alaska. It's kind of crazy, right, this idea that 609 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: suddenly they say, oh, don't worry, We've tweaked it a 610 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: bit and now we can see a heck of a 611 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: lot more. But now we're shooting things down. What mean 612 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: you where? We're using radar from like the fifties and there. Yeah, oh, 613 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: actually things have gotten a little bit better. Maybe we 614 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: enhanced this a bit. So yeah, I think it's irresponsible, 615 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: but goes along with the Biden administration. And then you've 616 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 1: got the Press secretary out there stumbling and fumbling over 617 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: her words because she clearly has not been briefed effectively 618 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: to tell anybody in the country what's going on, which 619 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: I think makes people more uneasy when they see a 620 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: press secretary who is so unprepared to answer questions and 621 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: incapable falling over her own words. It's like having Kamala 622 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,879 Speaker 1: Harris up there giving us a press briefing. We're gonna 623 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: play that audio for people who haven't heard Karene Jean 624 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,439 Speaker 1: Pierre attempt to explain what's been going on. I'll play 625 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: you that for you. The next cut, last question for you, tutor, 626 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: and this is the real hot seat. Well, the Detroit 627 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: Lions win a super Bowl in your or mine's lifetime. 628 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 1: Someone asked me who are you rooting for in the 629 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and I was like, you know, the Bears 630 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,720 Speaker 1: and the Lions have not been in the Super Bowl 631 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: for a long time, so I'm out again on this one. 632 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: You know, that was a big question during the campaign though. 633 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: People said we'll vote for you if you can make 634 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: sure that the Lions win the Super Bowl, and I 635 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 1: was like, okay, obviously, I mean at this point, I 636 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,760 Speaker 1: just have to give up the vote. My wife, obviously, 637 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: as you know, is from the Detroit area. So the 638 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: amount of frustration from the Lions fans I didn't really 639 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: understand until we got married. And I bet you really 640 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 1: understood it when you were on the campaign trail. Hearing 641 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: about the Lions all the time. To be pot to 642 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: be fair, they had a good run at the end 643 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,879 Speaker 1: of their season, but they've only won one playoff game. Again, 644 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 1: sorry Lions fans since the nineteen fifties. Tutor, we will 645 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: talk to you again soon. Keep up the good work. 646 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: Thank you. That is Tutor Dixon. When we come back, 647 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: I will play Karne Jean Pierre. You heard me in 648 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: the first hour say, hey, if you wonder what a 649 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: football team would look like, if it was completely diverse 650 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: and inclusive, it would look like Kaarne Jean Pierre as 651 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: the White House Press secretary, except she'd be the quarterback 652 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: of the team, right, completely incapable of basic mechanics of 653 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: the job. But my goodness, what a great photo op. 654 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,359 Speaker 1: She just over and over again. And the thing about 655 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 1: Karene Jean Pierre is she messes up questions that everybody 656 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,919 Speaker 1: knows are going to be asked again. I always say, 657 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,879 Speaker 1: if you I could walk out and do a White 658 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 1: House Press briefing right now, because in order to prepare 659 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: for this radio show, I have to know you know 660 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: the top ten or twelve stories that are going on 661 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,800 Speaker 1: every single day. So if you suddenly said Hey, Clay Travis, 662 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: tap you on the shoulder. Joe Biden wants somebody competent 663 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 1: to go out. I could go out and do a 664 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,959 Speaker 1: White House press briefing. Now, it's the worst administration ever, 665 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: but I could do that job because you know what 666 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: the top ten or twelve questions are. Now, if I 667 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: walked out there and they said, hey, there's a major 668 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,880 Speaker 1: controversy in El Salvador over whether or not there should 669 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: be a referendum on the leadership of El Salvador, I'm 670 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 1: just tossing that out there. I have no idea what's 671 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: going on in El Salvador. I would be like, yeah, 672 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 1: I got no idea on that. I would just be honest, 673 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,359 Speaker 1: because sometimes you do get questions in the White House 674 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,319 Speaker 1: press briefing you have no idea or coming. But when 675 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: the government is shooting down objects, and when we're working 676 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 1: with Canada as a part of nora AD to shoot 677 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 1: down objects, that's going to be a question. Karin jan 678 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 1: Pierre got that question. It did not go. Well, get 679 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 1: your popcorn, you're going to enjoy it. She is the 680 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: quarterback for the Biden administration and they ain't winning any games. 681 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: I'll tell you that much. When we come back, we'll 682 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 1: also well, I'll just play that audio for you. I 683 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,319 Speaker 1: think you're gonna absolutely love it. And that is coming 684 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 1: up here in a segment to come. 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All Right, Bridge, 711 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time to join us. I know 712 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 1: you've been on the show before. What in the world 713 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: do you think is the most likely explanation for what 714 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: has been going on in the last seventy two hours 715 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,840 Speaker 1: as we have now shot down at least three different 716 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: still unidentified flying objects. Great to be witch, Clay, Always 717 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 1: a pleasure to be on the show. I mean, I 718 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 1: have to say the most likely explanation is that it's 719 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,919 Speaker 1: part of the Chinese surveillance program, but I don't have 720 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: ironcloud confidence that that's what it is. I mean, it 721 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,719 Speaker 1: could be other countries. I mean, it's not beyond the 722 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: pale that it's the Russians, maybe even the North Koreans 723 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 1: is not at the realm of possible. But it could 724 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: be private companies. I mean, some of the things they're 725 00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 1: talking about. I saw Kirby on the news earlier this morning, 726 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 1: you know, he was saying, they haven't even been able 727 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 1: to dredge these things up. I mean, a lot of 728 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,439 Speaker 1: them are really forbidding places, and there are a number 729 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 1: of them are quite a bit smaller than the massive 730 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,279 Speaker 1: Chinese surveillance moon. So I think the most likely is 731 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 1: that it's it's part of the same Chinese program. But 732 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,319 Speaker 1: I don't think that's open and shut. When should we know. 733 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: I'm kind of stunned that we shot this one down 734 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 1: off the coast of Alaska seventy two hours ago and 735 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 1: we still don't really have an explanation from the administration. 736 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 1: Do you think they have a really good idea what 737 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,760 Speaker 1: this is? Do you think they don't? Are they being 738 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: level with us? I don't know. My impression is that 739 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,800 Speaker 1: they don't fully understand it. I mean I was struck 740 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 1: by this sort of General van Hirk, the northcom commander, 741 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,400 Speaker 1: I mean, he said there's been real gaps in our 742 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: understanding of what's going on in our airspace over the 743 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,799 Speaker 1: last few years. So some of this I think is, 744 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,359 Speaker 1: you know, somehow we've managed to get improved sense of 745 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 1: what's going on. I mean, maybe that's settling with the radar. 746 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: I don't know that that, maybe there's new technologies. But 747 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 1: some of this is obviously you know, the Chinese, we 748 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 1: know have have embarked on a massive balloon building program, 749 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,879 Speaker 1: So I think that's a reasonable suspicion. But I mean, 750 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,800 Speaker 1: you know, we still I don't think we've still recovered 751 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: a good chunk at least or maybe most of the 752 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,440 Speaker 1: the original balloon, you know, a week and a half later. 753 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: And I mean, and that's that's in relatively you know, 754 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 1: Balmy waters off the coast that Carolinas rather than rather 755 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 1: than off the Yukon or Alaska. So my guesses were 756 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:29,120 Speaker 1: not entirely sure. Yet Chuck Schumer came out and said 757 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,359 Speaker 1: it was humiliating for the Chinese to have their spy 758 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,839 Speaker 1: balloon shot down over the coast of off the coast 759 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 1: of South Carolina and the Atlantic Ocean. Do you think 760 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 1: it's viewed that way by the Chinese? How would you 761 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,720 Speaker 1: assess the relative humiliation factors between China sending a balloon 762 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,839 Speaker 1: across the whole United States and US shooting it down 763 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: after it left the continental United States? Well, I think 764 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,440 Speaker 1: it's much worse for us to have a balloon across 765 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: our entire country and Kenya in our territorial airspace and then, 766 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 1: you know, after like almost a week, then we shoot 767 00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 1: it down, you know once. I mean, and it's not 768 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 1: one of the things said. I assume the administration and 769 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 1: the government had known about it for the first few days, 770 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,120 Speaker 1: but it's not entirely clear to me that we knew 771 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 1: about it for the first few days. And this is 772 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,279 Speaker 1: a you know, this is a very large balloon. I mean, 773 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 1: there's like three football fields, I think, the balloon and 774 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 1: the the you know, this sort of thing it was 775 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 1: holding up below it, you know, the surveillance stuff basically 776 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 1: was like a top the size of a couple of buses. 777 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,319 Speaker 1: So I think that's um, you know that that's that's 778 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,759 Speaker 1: definitely not a win for for for our side. But 779 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 1: of course, this is this is far from over this 780 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:34,439 Speaker 1: whole dynamic. Does this impact Taiwan in a significant way 781 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,360 Speaker 1: in your mind? Are we learning anything based on where 782 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,040 Speaker 1: Chinese American relations are right now as it pertains to 783 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 1: this spy balloon and potentially these additional unidentified flying objects 784 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,320 Speaker 1: in the event that they are from China. In terms 785 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: of what it might mean for the United States and 786 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 1: China squaring off over Taiwan, I think it does tell 787 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,399 Speaker 1: us something very very important and interesting and disturbing, which 788 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 1: is just the global reach of the People's Liberation Army. 789 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a sense, you know, in 790 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,320 Speaker 1: a lot of the discussion and the news reporting is 791 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: really focused on Taiwan. But I think that's that's a 792 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,279 Speaker 1: mistake because the Chinese military has been dramatically increasing its 793 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,799 Speaker 1: capability over the last few years and in ways where 794 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,800 Speaker 1: it can not just surveil but potentially threatened to attack 795 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,320 Speaker 1: the American homeland. So this is not simply about Taiwan 796 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,760 Speaker 1: in some narrow local license. This is about the Chinese 797 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,480 Speaker 1: flying a massive balloon and potentially doing so without or 798 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,759 Speaker 1: even knowing for several days over American territoriller space, and 799 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,719 Speaker 1: what are they What was it doing? Well? I mean, 800 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,759 Speaker 1: it was flying over our ICBM base in Montana. It 801 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,399 Speaker 1: was also apparently flying over or nearby Whiteman Air Force Space, 802 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,080 Speaker 1: the home of the B two bomber, the most you know, 803 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,160 Speaker 1: the kind of one of the crown jewels of our military. 804 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 1: So I mean, and this is not alone. I mean 805 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 1: a year plus ago we had the Chinese testing hypersonic 806 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,320 Speaker 1: missiles that, according to the newspapers, some of our scientists 807 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,720 Speaker 1: didn't even know that some of their capabilities or maneuvers 808 00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,560 Speaker 1: were theoretically possible. So what I think this says is 809 00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 1: that China is really not just a kind of a narrow, 810 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,160 Speaker 1: you know, threat in terms of Asia, you know, or 811 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,320 Speaker 1: the Western Pacific or the First Island Chain or Taiwan. 812 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,880 Speaker 1: It's also very much about the ability to threaten the homeland. 813 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,480 Speaker 1: And I think that also tells us in a more 814 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:15,239 Speaker 1: fundamental way the stakes. The stakes are about something well 815 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,440 Speaker 1: beyond Asia. I mean, this is a country that can 816 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,439 Speaker 1: do something in the sense that the Soviets never really tried. 817 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:20,920 Speaker 1: I mean it was a long time ago now, but 818 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 1: I mean where it's got an economy that's the equivalent size. 819 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 1: It's flying balloons, it's flying satellites over us. It has 820 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,600 Speaker 1: long range aviation. It now has more nuclear missile launchers 821 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,879 Speaker 1: than we have long range missile launchers. Let's not let's 822 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,279 Speaker 1: not get this. Let's not get mixed up about what 823 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,040 Speaker 1: this is. This is this is a country with global 824 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 1: reach and global ambitions. Let's talk last question for you. 825 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,279 Speaker 1: I was talking about this in the last segment. Is 826 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:51,240 Speaker 1: there a possibility that this actually reflects weakening of Chairman 827 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,680 Speaker 1: Z's absolute power in China and that this could be 828 00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:00,280 Speaker 1: a Chinese military driven plan that he's not necessary early 829 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,920 Speaker 1: signing off on given the timing with Secretary Blinkin in 830 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,160 Speaker 1: the potential state visit. Or do you think that this 831 00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 1: is Chairman Z himself who ordered this Chinese spy balloon. 832 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,760 Speaker 1: How would you assess the internal palace intrigue, so to speak, 833 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,080 Speaker 1: of China and what that might tell us about this situation. 834 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 1: It's really hard to know. I mean, I find it 835 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,840 Speaker 1: hard to believe that there are military elements, you know, 836 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:29,080 Speaker 1: in the PLA that are willfully bucking Chi Jinping. I mean, 837 00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,920 Speaker 1: he's really consolidated power over the last few years. And 838 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,360 Speaker 1: it's a party army, you know, it's really a communist 839 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,160 Speaker 1: party army. So, but it is it is puzzling Clay. 840 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,920 Speaker 1: Why would She Jinping do this now? Because the Chinese 841 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,719 Speaker 1: are on a bit of a trauma offensive. I think 842 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,719 Speaker 1: they're on their back feet over the economy, zero COVID decreasing, 843 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 1: you know, a sort of popularity around the world for China. 844 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,200 Speaker 1: So it is, it is puzzling. I mean I could see, 845 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, I think there's one explanation, which could be 846 00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,040 Speaker 1: they're probing us, they're challenging us. I mean, you know, 847 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,120 Speaker 1: almost like a kind of a negotiating style where you 848 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 1: kind of put a dig into the opponent and kind 849 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,520 Speaker 1: of like humiliate him a little bit to see how 850 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,400 Speaker 1: he reacts and push him back. That's a tried and 851 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,880 Speaker 1: true Chinese and communist negotiating tactic. It's also possible they 852 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,239 Speaker 1: didn't fully appreciate what the response was going to be 853 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,279 Speaker 1: or fully coordinate how everything was going to go. But 854 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,279 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, it's hard to note, but 855 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:20,600 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, we have to step back 856 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 1: and say, look, we can't know what's going on in 857 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:23,799 Speaker 1: Chiju and Ping's head. We can't know what's going on 858 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,320 Speaker 1: inside the Standing Committee of the Central Committee of the 859 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,160 Speaker 1: politic Ear of the People's Republic of China. We have 860 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,080 Speaker 1: to deal with what the reality is. They're flying balloons 861 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,200 Speaker 1: over our airspace. They're continuing an unpreced and military build up. 862 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,400 Speaker 1: The Leopard is not fundamentally changed its spots. Doesn't mean 863 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 1: we have to be willfully aggressive or provocative, but it 864 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,759 Speaker 1: means we shouldn't get distracted and we shouldn't you go 865 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,600 Speaker 1: for this kind of compete while cooperating. We should make 866 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,640 Speaker 1: sure that we are operating from a position of strength. 867 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,960 Speaker 1: That is what Chijin paying, that is what the People's 868 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,320 Speaker 1: Republic of China government respects. And from that position of 869 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,920 Speaker 1: strength we can take a more moderate position. But we 870 00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,719 Speaker 1: first we have to be tough and hawkish in order 871 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,360 Speaker 1: to get at that place. Bridge Colby. If you like 872 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,120 Speaker 1: this conversation, Buck Sexton Bridge Colby had a long form discussion. 873 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,000 Speaker 1: You can find that in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. 874 00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,560 Speaker 1: Appreciate the top of my man great stock here. When 875 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,080 Speaker 1: we come back, I'll take some of your calls. Close 876 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,319 Speaker 1: out the Monday edition of the program eight two two 877 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,360 Speaker 1: two eight eight two. 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