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Speaker 2: On this foggy, hazy, cool morning from Oxnard, California, we
Speaker 2: bring you our last mix shots of training camp here
Speaker 2: in Oxnard, California. Nathaniel Newton, Mickey Spagnola, we are braving
Speaker 2: the sixty four degree temperatures here and as you guys
Speaker 2: are watching, we had to go to long sleeves today.
Speaker 2: Nate on this kind of I don't know, it's I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's drizzling or what.
Speaker 3: Do you think? It is?
Speaker 2: Just the beautif and nice and cool.
Speaker 4: That's hazy drizzling. It is beautiful to me. May Well
Speaker 4: ready to.
Speaker 2: Go, beautiful to be here with Nate, myself and the
Speaker 2: Cowboys will have their last padded practice of training camp
Speaker 2: later this morning, Thursday. They'll do a walk through. They've
Speaker 2: got a short walkthrough scheduled for Friday before wheels up
Speaker 2: going to Seattle for their second preseason game that will
Speaker 2: start Central Time at nine pm in Seattle, So you
Speaker 2: know what that.
Speaker 3: Means, get home very very late.
Speaker 2: I saw the itinerary and the projection was we would
Speaker 2: show up at DFW charter site at six oh five am.
Speaker 3: Wow, Enjoy you said, so.
Speaker 2: If anybody wants to come and greet us as we
Speaker 2: from training cap, feel free to do so. But we've
Speaker 2: certainly got a lot to talk about here. On mix
Speaker 2: Shots and Nate, we got a chance to listen to
Speaker 2: Zach Martin talk about his holdout and getting the extension
Speaker 2: that he was not extension, the adjustment to his two
Speaker 2: years last two years on his contract with the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: And we also see where Ezekiel Elliott signed a deal
Speaker 2: a one year deal with the Patriots and the Cowboys
Speaker 2: will have to face him on October first, since he
Speaker 2: went to the New England Patriots. Did you ever want
Speaker 2: to play for Bill Belichick?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: No, I know he's a great coach, but nah.
Speaker 4: But I want to get back to Zach man give
Speaker 4: us some of the information that he gave you doing
Speaker 4: this right.
Speaker 2: And I thought that the key thing was that, you know,
Speaker 2: he said he this had been on his mind, that
Speaker 2: he wanted to get this adjustment to his contract, felt
Speaker 2: like he deserves it. So basically what the Cowboys did.
Speaker 2: He was looking for an extra six million dollars in
Speaker 2: each of his last two years on the contract. He
Speaker 2: ended up agreeing to four million more for each of
Speaker 2: the year, so they stuffed eight point five million into
Speaker 2: the final two years of his contract. He gets four
Speaker 2: this year, four and a half next year. But here
Speaker 2: was the key thing. And as a player, Nate, you,
Speaker 2: I'm sure will herald this that this is what you want.
Speaker 2: When he walked off and he was getting ready to
Speaker 2: go into the workout room, there said so the last
Speaker 2: two years are guaranteed. Now, how important was it was that?
Speaker 2: And he goes that was the most important thing to me,
Speaker 2: that they guaranteed the last He was out of guarantees
Speaker 2: on his contract, on his base salaries, and he got
Speaker 2: them guaranteed. And when he got those guaranteed, that he
Speaker 2: felt like the compromise of less money that he was
Speaker 2: looking for was fine because that's what he wanted. Because
Speaker 2: he told me, I don't want to have I didn't
Speaker 2: want to have to go through this again next year,
Speaker 2: meaning have to play on the final year of your
Speaker 2: contract and not have it guaranteed. So to me two players,
Speaker 2: guarantees are really important in this day and age of
Speaker 2: the NFL.
Speaker 4: Especially when you're in the back end of your contract
Speaker 4: and your career. In your career, like Zeke is on
Speaker 4: the back end of his contract, and that's why he's
Speaker 4: in the position he's in. Dad was on the back
Speaker 4: end of his contract, So that's why he was in
Speaker 4: the position. And that's what you're gonna start seeing players
Speaker 4: do now. They're gonna say, you know what, They're gonna
Speaker 4: go to management and say, okay, you owe me, say
Speaker 4: fifteen million dollars over and then the next year you
Speaker 4: owe me sixteen but none of it is guaranteed. They
Speaker 4: may say, well, let's go for twelve both years and
Speaker 4: both of us guaranteed. I'd rather get some money guaranteed
Speaker 4: and may lose maybe eight to ten million dollars, but
Speaker 4: I have a guaranteed contract that guarantees me to this
Speaker 4: team and another year of performance.
Speaker 2: And if you look at at Zach, he turns thirty
Speaker 2: three this year, Yes, sir, turns thirty four next year,
Speaker 2: and then that's the end of his contract. And so
Speaker 2: what happens the next year when during the season he
Speaker 2: would turn thirty five. Yes, right, and who knows does
Speaker 2: he want to keep playing? Is he able to playing
Speaker 2: at the level he's playing? Right? And a lot of guys,
Speaker 2: you know, if if they're not able to sustain the
Speaker 2: level of ability, they'll they'll retire a.
Speaker 3: Couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, with Travis Frederick. So anyway, Uh, it got settled.
Speaker 2: I thought the funniest thing I heard from his teammates
Speaker 2: when he when he returned. We were interviewing Terrence Steele,
Speaker 2: and they asked Steele how happy it was to have
Speaker 2: Zach back, and he said, I hugged him forever when
Speaker 2: he entered the room.
Speaker 3: And that is why you you.
Speaker 4: I try to explain that people the value of a
Speaker 4: guy like that, and and and people are never understanding.
Speaker 3: Uh. And I know who else hugged him? Be oddish? Yeah, Uh,
Speaker 3: when you have when you have a.
Speaker 4: Guy that can solidify your offensive line in every area,
Speaker 4: mentally in the classroom, technique, wise, in the classroom, teaching guys,
Speaker 4: showing guys, then come out on the field and mentally
Speaker 4: and physically do this.
Speaker 3: This is what I was talking about. Look at this,
Speaker 3: look at that.
Speaker 4: This is how you step, this is how you do this,
Speaker 4: This is how you move a guy.
Speaker 3: This is how you set up a guy. And I saw.
Speaker 4: Ball just in his back pocket every way when talking
Speaker 4: to him, talking to him, talking to him, because Ball
Speaker 4: was a tackle last year. Now he's a guard. Different techniques,
Speaker 4: just subtle, different techniques. And I'm just watching these people
Speaker 4: just talking to him, talking to him.
Speaker 3: He just fell right back into the leadership role.
Speaker 4: And it just made me feel good because I'm sitting
Speaker 4: here saying, how many shows can we sit here and
Speaker 4: ignore this this hole because it's gonna become a physical things.
Speaker 4: What's the season starting? So I'm so glad he's back.
Speaker 4: We don't know whether he'll get hurt, but he's even
Speaker 4: if he does, he'll be tremendous in that in that
Speaker 4: room and helps give.
Speaker 3: A guy's confidence.
Speaker 4: Still, you don't know what it meant for Still what
Speaker 4: four years ago when he first got here and he
Speaker 4: was working with with the butcher or the President that's
Speaker 4: you know, the team called him the butcher.
Speaker 3: I call him the President.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: When when when a guy that's all pro, parental, y'all pro,
Speaker 4: walk up and say, hey, I like working with you.
Speaker 3: Hey man, let's watch film together. We'll we'll work together.
Speaker 3: And did he tell the media that and to coach
Speaker 3: that I like working with this guy? Come on now, no.
Speaker 4: Matter what the world is saying, while this kid going
Speaker 4: through his ups and downs in his earlier part of
Speaker 4: his career, this guy know he's got somebody's that's loving
Speaker 4: on him. That's a tremendous thing, NICKI.
Speaker 2: And think about it. Uh, without him there, this was
Speaker 2: a very inexperienced offensive line, right, nobody is with more
Speaker 2: than three years of experience except for Tyron Smith right.
Speaker 2: And now uh you get Zach back in there. So
Speaker 2: the offensive line as they move forward is set Tyron
Speaker 2: Smith left tackle, Tyler Smith left guard, Tyler Battish center,
Speaker 2: Zach Martin right guard, and Terrence Steele, who looks like
Speaker 2: he has recovered from his ACL surgery right tackle. And
Speaker 2: so now the thing on the offensive line is gotta
Speaker 2: finds some Richards.
Speaker 6: Ball you met a uh t J Bassnifman and Fourniac
Speaker 6: right and and what losco those are your five guys
Speaker 6: that are fighting right.
Speaker 4: Like you know what for these backup roles they are
Speaker 4: now now the competition intense because you don't get to
Speaker 4: you get all the preseason, but now your reps get
Speaker 4: limited because now the coaches have to start giving true
Speaker 4: rookies and first year guys more reps as time go on.
Speaker 4: So now it get condensed because the butcher is back.
Speaker 4: Now you gotta whereas you was getting twelve reps, maybe
Speaker 4: getting six. So they the narrow or the margin of
Speaker 4: wrongness that you can do wrong gets narrow.
Speaker 2: So Zach Martin jumped into drills yesterday. It was individual drills.
Speaker 2: They're gonna let him ramp up, yes, and so he'll
Speaker 2: do the same thing today, think about it. And then
Speaker 2: it's a walk through Thursday, an early walkthrough Friday. You
Speaker 2: don't do anything on Saturday during the game. So he'll
Speaker 2: get back into padded practices fully on Monday when we
Speaker 2: get back to the Star and he so the first
Speaker 2: team offensive line will be set, and now they'll have
Speaker 2: what two and a half weeks or so to get
Speaker 2: ready for the season opener. And I think as much
Speaker 2: as I'm sure Zach was working while he was missing,
Speaker 2: that'll be enough time to get him oh the coordination
Speaker 2: of the offensive line right, So yeah, he was obviously
Speaker 2: happy to be back. And I thought this was interesting.
Speaker 2: So someone asked him about did the fines that he
Speaker 2: was incurring that he has to pay for missing training
Speaker 2: camp practices while under contract, and he said, well, you know,
Speaker 2: the way I looked at it is making more, making
Speaker 2: more money to offset what I'm losing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he lost but Brady eight hut, but he gained
Speaker 4: four meal this year, so he just got three three point.
Speaker 2: Two, that's all.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I uh, sometimes you gotta make money, you
Speaker 2: lose money.
Speaker 3: To make money. Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2: I thought that was a pretty good perspective on the
Speaker 2: whole thing. And you know, and he said, the other
Speaker 2: key thing to getting this done is remember the Cowboys
Speaker 2: went back last weekend for play that game, and he
Speaker 2: got an opportunity to talk to owner Jerry Jones face
Speaker 2: to face. Uh and and felt like that really, you know,
Speaker 2: moved things in the right direction for him and for
Speaker 2: the team because they needed him right and they're not
Speaker 2: gonna play without him, and he was not gonna miss
Speaker 2: a paycheck. Uh So it's all good that, you know, ends.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you know, we we and I'm not one
Speaker 4: of them guys, y'all know me. I'm not one of
Speaker 4: them guys that played it every year. Super I don't
Speaker 4: know play that game. That's a dangerous game, that's false hope.
Speaker 4: But I feel I feel this year that this team
Speaker 4: is special and I feel that they have a chance
Speaker 4: to win the second round and have them and get
Speaker 4: into the NFC Championship game. I don't know how that
Speaker 4: will play out, but I feel like, if health prevails,
Speaker 4: these guys should be without a doubt, and this in
Speaker 4: the NFC Championship game. And uh, and we need it's
Speaker 4: like six or seven players I think we need in
Speaker 4: order for that to happen.
Speaker 3: So let's.
Speaker 2: You mentioned the five backups that they're using on the
Speaker 2: second team. You can't probably keep all five. You're not
Speaker 2: going to keep ten offensive line usually eight to nine.
Speaker 2: Somebody forces the issue of those guys, which which one
Speaker 2: of them?
Speaker 3: Have you seen that you think? Okay? These guys are
Speaker 3: I like him? Yeah, I like him.
Speaker 4: He played he he he pulled a Tyler Smith left guard,
Speaker 4: left guard, left guard, oh, left tackle in a preseason
Speaker 4: game exactly, and and and I like that, you know.
Speaker 4: And and he went out there and he gave up
Speaker 4: a sack. If you know football, I ain't gotta explain it.
Speaker 4: See if you don't, too bad for you on this one.
Speaker 4: I just like him.
Speaker 3: Uh. Then I like t J. Fast.
Speaker 4: I like him. He's a young guy. But you gotta
Speaker 4: give Matt a chance at that center. I don't think
Speaker 4: he could be your guard. Yeah, unless it's just a
Speaker 4: short stint guard center and you got the Hoffman kid
Speaker 4: Rock Hoffman.
Speaker 3: You gotta you gotta give him a look.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: And I think they're gonna it's Tuma a dogga. I
Speaker 4: think they're gonna keep him. I would like to really see.
Speaker 2: And he's gotta get he's got to get healthy. He's out.
Speaker 2: He's been out all last week. Uh, he's got he
Speaker 2: he suffered a hyper extended knee which caused a bone bruise.
Speaker 2: I will to him, and that's what he's trying to
Speaker 2: get recovered from. They are hoping that he can get
Speaker 2: back next week. So it's a guy that has some experience.
Speaker 2: We got to see if that experience means more than
Speaker 2: how he's performed so far. Yeah, because he's somewhat struggled.
Speaker 2: So they've they've got to find at least three backups.
Speaker 4: Well Lascow and uh, Josh Ball, those are you Those
Speaker 4: are your dogs in this fight. Those are your dogs
Speaker 4: that are in this fight just by my opinion. You know,
Speaker 4: you can you can say that uh instrument is in
Speaker 4: this deal, a center or.
Speaker 3: Earl Bostic is in this deal.
Speaker 4: But these next two preseason games, look at who they start, right,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be big and who they start.
Speaker 2: And and everybody will say, well, these preseason games they're
Speaker 2: they're not important. Well they are to figure out who
Speaker 2: these backup offensive linemen are. Because you you've got what
Speaker 2: you got. No one's coming to fall out of the sky, right.
Speaker 4: And can you You gotta be careful when you give
Speaker 4: up draft capital and money. You gotta be careful, especially
Speaker 4: doing It's one thing to be four or five games
Speaker 4: into the season, yeah, but not not now on you
Speaker 4: just wait during the you know, you know, a couple
Speaker 4: of weeks after the preseason is over.
Speaker 2: And you mentioned and maybe they were listening to you
Speaker 2: with Farniac, they haven't that guard. Well it practiced these
Speaker 2: last couple of days they had them back at the center.
Speaker 3: Meg.
Speaker 4: The thing film hurts you and film helps you. Should
Speaker 4: I put first the positive Film helps you and film
Speaker 4: hurts you. And once a guy sees something and it's devastating,
Speaker 4: they're gonna use it. Against you, and they these people
Speaker 4: have always known, the coaches that he has short arms, right,
Speaker 4: But he's been the last few years, been able to
Speaker 4: get the perfect punches or get the perfect grab, and
Speaker 4: it hadn't but it was exposed badly.
Speaker 3: And I know what's gonna happen to him now. Every
Speaker 3: guy that goes in.
Speaker 4: They gonna bull rushing bull rushing bull, and that's not
Speaker 4: gonna be a good thing for him. But at center,
Speaker 4: it's closer, you get closer it for some reason, defensive
Speaker 4: linemight love to get right up on that center and
Speaker 4: short arms don't play a big part in that.
Speaker 2: And we're gonna take a break here in a second.
Speaker 2: But that backup guard spot, to me is important because
Speaker 2: if anything happens at the tackle position long term, Tyler
Speaker 2: Smith goes to tackle, I think you gotta find a
Speaker 2: guard then.
Speaker 4: And that's why I'm saying that guard. That's why I
Speaker 4: mentioned more guards than I did than I did tackles,
Speaker 4: because you're gonna have to find another ball player.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm thinking of.
Speaker 4: Maybe two weeks in or three weeks in the season start,
Speaker 4: maybe somebody will fall fall into us.
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Speaker 3: Arm, Okay, I gave up drinking, but I used to
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Speaker 2: I bet you could. I bet you could. So we
Speaker 2: talked about Zach Barton being back. The other big news
Speaker 2: since we did last did mix Shots, Michaeh Parsons ends
Speaker 2: up signing a one year deal with the New England Patriots.
Speaker 2: And I say, Michaeh Parsons was Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 3: That was one million dollars.
Speaker 2: That was my next That was my next, my next
Speaker 2: item that we were going to talk about. Because Parsons
Speaker 2: suffered a strained calf, fusible in practice and uh he
Speaker 2: missed it was late, yes, so he missed the last
Speaker 2: kind of dozen snaps or so walked off with his
Speaker 2: calf wrapped up.
Speaker 3: What was his facial expression?
Speaker 2: He was not happy about it, right, and he didn't
Speaker 2: want to talk about it. Somebody said, you know, how
Speaker 2: did it happen? And it was like, it's evidently he
Speaker 2: got kicked, and he said, it's just playing football. So
Speaker 2: how bad is it? He goes, I got to go
Speaker 2: get it checked out, and that's he kind of just
Speaker 2: walked off. So we'll see. Uh, if you know, I'm
Speaker 2: thinking he ain't practicing today, right, And you know.
Speaker 4: What, I hate to be mean, but finally we won't
Speaker 4: have the first eight plays of every every beginning.
Speaker 2: Practice mess thank you. They got his ruin more drills
Speaker 2: and team because they can't block them. And it's not
Speaker 2: a reflection on I think the Cowboys offensive lineman. He
Speaker 2: does that to everybody, you.
Speaker 4: Know what, so you know it's so disciplined and I
Speaker 4: used to hate this about Lawrence Taylor. Two, he could
Speaker 4: run him perfectly around the horn. That is what we
Speaker 4: want to do every snap. We just know that we
Speaker 4: can run you around the horn.
Speaker 3: Take away you inside rush and just run you around
Speaker 3: the horn.
Speaker 4: Then I can throw my hips around and keep my
Speaker 4: hand on your hip and just run with you.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: But if you get to the point where it's two steps,
Speaker 4: he had explosiveness to get away away from you.
Speaker 3: And that's what's scary. I watched seventy seven.
Speaker 4: Tyron just perfectly punched him, knocked him out.
Speaker 3: He came back into Tyrone, Tyron wrote him, and.
Speaker 4: He was getting ready to put his hands on the
Speaker 4: hip to run him. Well, he took off and luckily
Speaker 4: Dak could step up in the pocket. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, right, And I was like.
Speaker 3: This is not fair, right, this is not fair.
Speaker 2: Because he messes up the practice. Right now, whatever play
Speaker 2: you called, you can't run because he's in the backfield
Speaker 2: all the time. So we'll see where that goes today.
Speaker 2: So what I was trying to get to was Ezekiel
Speaker 2: Elliott signing with the Patriots a one year deal. And
Speaker 2: you know what, he got a little bit more than
Speaker 2: when I was saying I wouldn't mind having him back
Speaker 2: if he was willing to come back for a base
Speaker 2: salary of two to three million and then incentives. So
Speaker 2: he ends up getting a three million dollar base salary,
Speaker 2: a million dollar signing bonus, and another two million dollars
Speaker 2: in potential incentives to earn. So it's a one year
Speaker 2: up to six million dollar deal to go play for
Speaker 2: the Patriots. He will be the backup to how do
Speaker 2: you say it, Ramond Ramandre Stevenson? Is there is there
Speaker 2: starting running back? So and then the the thing is
Speaker 2: and Mike McCarthy said, you know, he was certainly happy
Speaker 2: for Zeke to get the opportunity. And I think it
Speaker 2: was maybe one two million dollars more than maybe the
Speaker 2: Cowboys wanted to expend on. And it's against the salary
Speaker 2: cap and what people need to understand. And the same
Speaker 2: thing with Zach Martin. It's not Jerry Jones's money, it's
Speaker 2: the Cowboys money against the cap that you have to
Speaker 2: be careful about. And then it was pointed out that
Speaker 2: the Cowboys have to play in New England October first,
Speaker 2: and they asked McCarthy about that. McCarthy goes, I'm not
Speaker 2: looking forward to having to play against Zeke.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what you know, and.
Speaker 4: You know, Zeke was always one of my favorite guys.
Speaker 4: I remember when we was in doing the show together,
Speaker 4: me and you and I think Phillips I was doing
Speaker 4: the show and we were talking about that draft class
Speaker 4: at the time, and you was sold on Zeke, and
Speaker 4: I was like, you know this guy, you know, what's
Speaker 4: the great cornerback that now we played for the Rams
Speaker 4: and played for Jacksonville at you know before. Well anyway,
Speaker 4: he's out of Florida State, and I was all about him.
Speaker 2: Ramsey.
Speaker 3: I was all about Ramsey. I was all about Ramsey.
Speaker 4: And a caller called in and said, Nate, you always
Speaker 4: talking about how you love great running backs and Zeke
Speaker 4: had just finished running over Oregon for like eight thousand yards.
Speaker 3: And he said, I don't understand you, Nate. I mean
Speaker 3: we need a running back and this guy's right here.
Speaker 3: From that day on, me and You was like, hey,
Speaker 3: get this guy. You know what I'm saying. It's always
Speaker 3: been a zek fan, but.
Speaker 4: Time runs out and the money doesn't equal. And the
Speaker 4: money just did not equal. I always thought in today's
Speaker 4: NFL three mil, that's big right now, expecially for a
Speaker 4: guy his age, even because they're giving that to young guys.
Speaker 3: So I just thought that if we.
Speaker 4: Could get through preseason and neither one of these guys
Speaker 4: Malik Davis or Donal showed up, that was gonna be
Speaker 4: the deal. But now you two guys have to show
Speaker 4: up because there's no Zeke. Because I don't want to
Speaker 4: go get a guy off the street that don't know
Speaker 4: our offense or the lingo is different.
Speaker 3: Then you gotta adjust a couple of weeks. I don't
Speaker 3: want that. I want guys that know it.
Speaker 2: And they lost their veteran safety net at least for
Speaker 2: the first two weeks of the season. If indeed he
Speaker 2: was gonna make the team, Ronald Jones with the injury
Speaker 2: that he suffered and then not the end, Well he's
Speaker 2: got an injury now, but he also gets suspended for
Speaker 2: the first two games. So those two guys that Nate
Speaker 2: just mentioned are fighting for that backup spot. And then
Speaker 2: Deuce Vaughan said, hey, you may not be able to
Speaker 2: see me out there, but I'm here yea. So they're
Speaker 2: gonna have to go through that. I was in favor
Speaker 2: of bringing him back for what I said, basically, maybe
Speaker 2: three million dollars, and he got a little mud and
Speaker 2: the other thing I wanted to spell. And I was
Speaker 2: doing a fan thing yesterday and a bunch of people
Speaker 2: who saw the picture of Zeke and he cut his hair,
Speaker 2: trimmed his beard, and they go, oh, see Belichick, have
Speaker 2: him cleaned up. That was done during the summer. Remember
Speaker 2: when I told you, well, you weren't on with us.
Speaker 2: I ran into him at the Star he was going
Speaker 2: up to the Cowboys Club and he was all it
Speaker 2: was a different Zeke. He had cut his hair, trimmed
Speaker 2: his beard, so it wasn't that. Belichick said, okay, if
Speaker 2: you clean up, well, well sign you. It was already done.
Speaker 2: He had changed his appearance before that, so let's not
Speaker 2: get carried away.
Speaker 3: See Meg, I'm glad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you care enough to explain that to people, because
Speaker 4: you know, one thing I've learned is once somebody has
Speaker 4: a perception true or not right, you know.
Speaker 3: And I just laughed, and oh.
Speaker 4: Belichick, I'm like, the last time that happened, I don't
Speaker 4: even think they do it anymore. Was the Yankees used
Speaker 4: to have that type of control because they would give
Speaker 4: you so much money. Right, shave your beard and you
Speaker 4: got an extra five no facial hair, Yeah, no facial hair.
Speaker 3: We'll pay you twenty million dollars more. I'm cutting my
Speaker 3: hair too, But come on, fellas come on, fans, let's
Speaker 3: be a little smarter.
Speaker 2: So McCarthy got somewhat of a laugh, But I don't
Speaker 2: think he was joking when he said, I'm not looking
Speaker 2: forward to having.
Speaker 3: To face Zeke. The thing is Zeke has punch, right,
Speaker 3: he has punch.
Speaker 2: And so and now I'll have a little incentive for
Speaker 2: extra punch.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, did you ever have to play one of your
Speaker 2: old teammates anybody lead? And back then, guys didn't leave.
Speaker 4: No, you didn't leave, man, and then by the time
Speaker 4: if you left, you was kind of done.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I no, not anyone that I can remember, Not
Speaker 4: anyone that I can remember.
Speaker 2: So yesterday at practice, I was going to just throw
Speaker 2: this out. Uh. George Tegue has been here for the
Speaker 2: last couple of days. He does some stuff with his
Speaker 2: CBS eleven. And Anthony Miller was here yes one year.
Speaker 2: I think it was the ninety seven season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Fast as Greased lightning By played together.
Speaker 3: Yeah at Tennessee. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Ken Norton, Oh that's right, they beat us. Well, he
Speaker 2: beat you in ninety four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, can't. I don't like you.
Speaker 2: That's a good but yeah, so I had to face him.
Speaker 2: I don't know if there was anybody else, but yeah,
Speaker 2: that that was one that you would have had to face. Okay,
Speaker 2: we got a lot more to talk and little time
Speaker 2: to do it. We'll take this break right now on
Speaker 2: Mickshots and be back and we're gonna talk Brandon Aubrey
Speaker 2: the Kicker next on Mickshots.
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Speaker 2: be back at the start picking up in steaks Man.
Speaker 4: What I'm full, youngs, because you either act like you
Speaker 4: colare you trying to deny the fans that love that
Speaker 4: you should be radiating.
Speaker 3: It's an open body.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to present like a really important What I'm
Speaker 2: saying here I saw is one of the former scouts.
Speaker 2: I saw him do a presentation for somebody that was
Speaker 2: going in. It was a county Hall of Fame, and
Speaker 2: the whole time he talked it was like this, I
Speaker 2: was going, I gotta try that one time to see
Speaker 2: if people think, well, this is more important because I
Speaker 2: got my arms crossed and I'm just so locked into Well,
Speaker 2: that's right exactly, as we continue here on mix shots,
Speaker 2: our last mix shots of training camp here in Oxnard, California,
Speaker 2: and I certainly will miss this. Weather a little chilly
Speaker 2: this morning, but that's okay with us, all right. Brandon Aubrey,
Speaker 2: the Cowboys kicker yesterday, Yes, we do keep track to
Speaker 2: what he's doing. And yesterday in practice he went eleven
Speaker 2: of twelve on field goals between twenty six yards and
Speaker 2: forty two yards, and they were all into that wind,
Speaker 2: cursed the wind right and kicking toward that goalpost in
Speaker 2: the ruin of many a kicker, and he was pretty impressive.
Speaker 2: The only one he missed was from thirty nine. He
Speaker 2: was widely and usually when you're kicking at that goal post,
Speaker 2: they go wide left, So you got to be careful.
Speaker 2: You got to strike the ball like with authority. It
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if it's thirty nine. You got to kick
Speaker 2: it like it's fifty right, got to kick it solid.
Speaker 2: So he had another good day after a good week
Speaker 2: last week. He missed the one extra point in the game.
Speaker 2: In the preseason game, kind of rushed himself. They were
Speaker 2: trying to pick up the speed of the operation. Thought
Speaker 2: it was a little too slow. So, you know what,
Speaker 2: he doesn't need to rush himself, especially on an extra point.
Speaker 2: And as it was pointed out to me, one of
Speaker 2: the good things about his kicks is they get up
Speaker 2: almost immediately. It's not like he's driving it forward. It
Speaker 2: gets up and he's got the leg. Now we got
Speaker 2: to see if he's consistent. And I just saw where
Speaker 2: Denver had a kicking competition going on between Elliott Frye
Speaker 2: and Brett Maherr, and they released fry injured yesterday. So
Speaker 2: Mars the only kicker right now in Denver and we'll
Speaker 2: see how that works out for him after having a
Speaker 2: great regular season with the Cowboys until they got to
Speaker 2: the playoffs when he missed those four consecutive extra points.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if anything stood out to you
Speaker 2: in practice yesterday when they went pads for you know,
Speaker 2: the next to last time here in ox Nardy.
Speaker 3: Yes something stood out to me.
Speaker 4: They was doing red zone seven on seven down here,
Speaker 4: and they were specifically doing five and in where the
Speaker 4: receivers were either running fade routes, quick slants, whatever, and I.
Speaker 3: Had never seen this before.
Speaker 4: Coach Al Harris stopped practice after like three reps.
Speaker 2: Uh huh he stopped.
Speaker 3: He said, hey, hey, hold on, hold on, And I
Speaker 3: could not hear what he was saying, but he was.
Speaker 3: He was animated about it.
Speaker 2: He was got on the cornerbacks, but I didn't know
Speaker 2: what he was saying at the time.
Speaker 4: Something looking. And then they started back and he got
Speaker 4: on the refs. Hey man, make a call, do something
Speaker 4: we needed.
Speaker 2: And I'm like wow.
Speaker 3: So yesterday I saw him coming in for dinner. I said, coach,
Speaker 3: what had you so roud? He said, well, Nate, we
Speaker 3: wasn't we wasn't competing as an offense. Our receivers wasn't
Speaker 3: competing to their normal you know, uh level.
Speaker 4: And they four or five times they just like didn't
Speaker 4: catch a ball and didn't didn't act like they were interested.
Speaker 3: So hey, I need to have competition, he said.
Speaker 4: So I went off, you know, and uh it picked
Speaker 4: up after that too, right, you guys started taking the person,
Speaker 4: the refs started getting you know, I was like, whoa.
Speaker 3: I said, Well everything changed, he said, he said Nate.
Speaker 3: We gotta compete.
Speaker 4: We gotta compete, right, you know I And that's just
Speaker 4: good to hear man because he was going off out there.
Speaker 2: Man, Well they must have picked up the pace because
Speaker 2: oh when they got to the end of practice, right,
Speaker 2: do you see the catcher Jayleen Tobart made.
Speaker 4: Hey, But they were going off. The receivers was going off,
Speaker 4: and I saw that Jaylen tober ketch. It was all
Speaker 4: over there.
Speaker 2: And if you haven't seen it, go see it. Yes,
Speaker 2: it was a catch in the back of the end zone.
Speaker 2: It looked like it was an overthrow. He got up
Speaker 2: higher than I thought he can get up. And the
Speaker 2: neat thing about it was that every part of his
Speaker 2: body was out the back of the end zone and
Speaker 2: second for his two feet Yeah, and he stuck those
Speaker 2: two feet down.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: And it was one hell of a catch.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 4: I tell people that it's right here, and it no
Speaker 4: matter whether Dak Cooper or the other kid is throwing
Speaker 4: him the ball.
Speaker 3: Now he is making plays. And that is what I
Speaker 3: call confidence. It ain't gotta be that. It don't matter
Speaker 3: who it is, and it don't matter who the DV is.
Speaker 4: He is competing and that's all you can ask for
Speaker 4: a player is to compete to the level that uh,
Speaker 4: that God has given you.
Speaker 2: And he's playing with more confidence. Oh right, yeah, and
Speaker 2: you saw it in the in the preseason game. He
Speaker 2: had a couple of catches, but what impressed me was
Speaker 2: the touchdown catch where he was in the slot but
Speaker 2: he had to wait for a teammate to run a
Speaker 2: route to pull the safety and he was patient timing
Speaker 2: right and he cut underneath and there was no one
Speaker 2: covering him because he was patient. And he described it
Speaker 2: for me the other day and uh, he was. He
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, he goes, you know, you got you
Speaker 2: got to run your routes and the timing of them
Speaker 2: have to be perfect, and they it was on that one.
Speaker 2: So that showed me a lot that he's improving his
Speaker 2: route running which turns in to catches.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So you know, if there was any doubt right now
Speaker 2: who the fourth receiver is, I think it's Jayalen Tober.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know you would think out the
Speaker 4: eighty five years and me being around you guys and
Speaker 4: being around football, I would know at each position how
Speaker 4: many people they would keep right every year? I mean,
Speaker 4: how many receivers they keep? You eight, No, natey keep
Speaker 4: four or five? Well, how many dbs they keep? It
Speaker 4: ten they'll keep, but what three on.
Speaker 2: The roster right right?
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, well, my numbers are all messed up
Speaker 4: because if you let me tell you, they gonna keep
Speaker 4: eighty guys.
Speaker 2: So if it's if it's the sixteenth today, by the way,
Speaker 2: Brad Sham's birthday, Yes, sir, he's Uh and Isaiah both
Speaker 2: the same day.
Speaker 3: Wow birthday fellas.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know how old Isaiah is, but Brad
Speaker 2: Shamber will celebrate his seventy fourth birthday and going strong
Speaker 2: doing the Cowboys radio play by play. So the cuts
Speaker 2: are in thirteen days August twenty ninth. You got to
Speaker 2: be down to fifty three players, so.
Speaker 3: You you already got the receivers and so name you
Speaker 3: receive as I already got.
Speaker 2: I think I got four and they usually keep five
Speaker 2: and in some cases six, right, And it's going to
Speaker 2: be interesting to see how they evaluate uh Cavante Turpin
Speaker 2: as a special teams guy or is now is he
Speaker 2: an offensive wide receiver?
Speaker 3: Run on specially your receiver? Now? Yeah? Yeah, So I
Speaker 3: mean those tell you four guys, CD.
Speaker 2: Lamb, well five Cook Michael Gallach, Michael Gallup, Tobert, Tobert
Speaker 2: and Turpin. And then Jalen Brooks is pushing, yes, and
Speaker 2: you got to see if he's he's forcing you to
Speaker 2: keep maybe six if you can, but if you keep
Speaker 2: six wide receivers, you probably can't keep as many times.
Speaker 4: My quarterback to be sharp for this week, right because
Speaker 4: I looked at the film and my man, I'm like, whoa,
Speaker 4: he was kind of off target early.
Speaker 2: My man, Cooper Rush, I thought you meant in the
Speaker 2: game career. Yeah, well, you know what, that was the
Speaker 2: first game he's played since last year, because otherwise you
Speaker 2: don't keep three quarterbacks, right.
Speaker 3: Well, no, you got to keep three quarterbacks. You don't
Speaker 3: want what you could put.
Speaker 2: One getting in the playoffs and you know, yeah right,
Speaker 2: and the first two get hurt and then the third
Speaker 2: one gets hurt and he can't throw the football.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 2: But that's what everybody forgets about. How how the Eagles
Speaker 2: got to the Super Bowl? They played a team without
Speaker 2: any quarterbacks?
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you? What he bad? The bad men?
Speaker 2: So so anyway, the wide receiver position, I mean, and
Speaker 2: Jalen Brooks is pushing. Now, he didn't really show up
Speaker 2: in the game but I don't think he got a
Speaker 2: good opportunity with the quarterbacks thrown to him. But he's
Speaker 2: been flashing out here. Uh the seventh round pick out
Speaker 2: of out of South Carolina. But Tobert's been impressive.
Speaker 3: He he went because when I saw it was just
Speaker 3: glancing through.
Speaker 4: That's a nice catch way back and saw two or
Speaker 4: three times just looking at the way his feet was,
Speaker 4: I mean, and and when he jumped up, you could
Speaker 4: just say that he was breaming.
Speaker 3: Boy.
Speaker 2: He was like yeah, yeah, right then well then and
Speaker 2: then yeah, I think one of the guys uh got it,
Speaker 2: got the catch on their phone, right, and what was William?
Speaker 2: William had it and uh they called him over and
Speaker 2: to look at it, right, and then he called everybody
Speaker 2: else over to look at his catch to show him
Speaker 2: that my feet were in bounds.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: It's just it's just good that, uh, that these guys
Speaker 4: are competing and and and and it's sad to say
Speaker 4: you won't see this type of continuity in a game
Speaker 4: because it's preseason and not playing all of these guys
Speaker 4: the first team quarterback, running back, you know, lineman, so
Speaker 4: you may.
Speaker 3: Not see this type of precision that we get to
Speaker 3: witness out here in practice.
Speaker 2: So are you okay with them maybe not playing?
Speaker 4: Yes, car over half. See if they were the only
Speaker 4: team doing this, you know they would be behind.
Speaker 3: But what eighty percent of the teams do.
Speaker 4: This are worse, right, you know? I mean at least
Speaker 4: we do play a few starters here and there. Some
Speaker 4: of these teams like, no, we are not touching the field.
Speaker 4: We're gonna practice hard these two days, these two practices
Speaker 4: out of the week, and that is it, and we're
Speaker 4: gonna just walk through the rest.
Speaker 3: And that's what eight.
Speaker 2: And if you think about it, if you count Zach
Speaker 2: Martin on Saturday twenty six, guys, yeah, that's half your roster.
Speaker 3: That's all these starters except de Ron Bland because.
Speaker 2: I got him starting this year. Yeah he should starting
Speaker 2: to last. And then Damon Clark was out there.
Speaker 3: That's a man. Huh, that's a man. That's a man.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you him at thirty three thirty five.
Speaker 4: They can say what they want, you know, like we
Speaker 4: did a show and they're like, well, you know they
Speaker 4: they wasn't perfect.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I don't know what perfect is.
Speaker 3: What I don't know what perfect is.
Speaker 2: But we'll see if they play them again because you know,
Speaker 2: he missed all training camp and then came on and
Speaker 2: was very productive playing next to vander Esh. You know,
Speaker 2: somebody asked me who's gonna start at linebacker next to
Speaker 2: vander Esh? I said, what do you mean?
Speaker 3: Damon Clark in thirty three? And I love Cox. I
Speaker 3: love Jabriel Cox, But.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you over Shane.
Speaker 3: Mick. You told me about him. Everybody, you need to
Speaker 3: watch this kid and Nate.
Speaker 4: But I've been watching the old line, the tight ends
Speaker 4: and the wide receivers, and I'm being honest, and then.
Speaker 3: I'm watching the game, I'm like, who is this thirty five? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is the dude.
Speaker 2: And you know, and on top of that, he understands
Speaker 2: the value of being a special teams player. Yes, because
Speaker 2: if you're kind of a specialty defensive player, you get
Speaker 2: a roll right probably on the nickel, but you got
Speaker 2: to be able to play special teams.
Speaker 4: If you're a backup and they're gonna start, bro, it's
Speaker 4: Layton thirty three, thirty five, that's one start, and.
Speaker 2: Then you got the the yeah, Parsons however you want
Speaker 2: to use them.
Speaker 4: Parsons is a y'all. This man that tried to tell y'all,
Speaker 4: I am a defensive end. I'm gonna take your man's word.
Speaker 4: He's the defensive end. You got Tabrill, thirty five, thirty
Speaker 4: three late. That's the four linebackers. How many do they keep?
Speaker 2: Probably five?
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't know who the fifth guy is. Ok
Speaker 4: you can tell me the fifth guy is. But those
Speaker 4: four guys I would like to see lining up for
Speaker 4: the Cowboys in the opener.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would imagine Cox is in the.
Speaker 4: Discussion and lighton that's my four. He was the fifth guy.
Speaker 4: I don't know who. It could be Harper, Okay, if
Speaker 4: you say so.
Speaker 2: And see what happens at that Mark East Bell Well,
Speaker 2: I tell you who. They were taking a long along
Speaker 2: what yeah? Right? And that's what I was getting ready
Speaker 2: to say. They've been using those strong safeties kind of back.
Speaker 2: They've been trying to give Malik Jefferson an opportunity. Now
Speaker 2: he's been out with a injury.
Speaker 3: Here here, what does his injury mean?
Speaker 2: He's got a I want to say it's a hamstring,
Speaker 2: I think. And then the only other guy here is
Speaker 2: your fam You guy is a land He's a lamb.
Speaker 4: He's a he's a lamb for this Praxice land Land,
Speaker 4: he'll lamb for the squad.
Speaker 3: Was a lamb.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he will land on the practice squad. I talked
Speaker 4: to coach about him, and uh, he said, Nate, he
Speaker 4: has a lot to learn at linebacker. You know, we
Speaker 4: don't have space at defensive end. He sounds willing to
Speaker 4: wait on this kid if he's willing to work hard.
Speaker 2: And Dylan and that and at FAM you he was
Speaker 2: a defensive man, Yes, sir, but he's not very big.
Speaker 4: N and so he say he will take everything that
Speaker 4: scouts would give. But he said, but a lot of
Speaker 4: times he liked to ask scouts. You just told me
Speaker 4: what he can't do. Yeah, tell me what he can
Speaker 4: do right and what other things he possibly And that's
Speaker 4: dan Quinn's philosophy. I'll find out what you can't do,
Speaker 4: but show me what you can do.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you mentioned Marquise Bell teammates at Florida A and
Speaker 2: m uh and he led the team and tackles with
Speaker 2: ten in that first preseason, and.
Speaker 4: He didn't like how he played. He said, Nate, I
Speaker 4: got much I got. I got a lot more to learn,
Speaker 4: he said, like the tight end got on him. He said,
Speaker 4: all I had to think was this is the blocking
Speaker 4: tight end. He's predominantly They never use him in routes.
Speaker 4: I would have I would have jammed him up even harder,
Speaker 4: but I thought maybe he would go out on.
Speaker 3: A route, so I wasn't as aggressive.
Speaker 4: He said, now I got to start playing those little
Speaker 4: keys that right help you be a better player.
Speaker 3: So he's learning well.
Speaker 2: On that note, we will close out mix shots here
Speaker 2: for the final time in Oxnard, California. We will return
Speaker 2: with our normal lineup Monday from the Star. Myself, Everson Walls,
Speaker 2: and Bill Jones will but we thank Nate for sitting.
Speaker 3: In here of it.
Speaker 2: Man came out of the bullpen for mix shots. Back
Speaker 2: to the old days when we did the shows.
Speaker 3: Yes and uh.
Speaker 2: We thank Chris Beam for taking care of us here
Speaker 2: during training camp and keeping our dry. Yes right, especially
Speaker 2: with this fog here, this beautiful weave.
Speaker 3: And I don't care they can call it what they won't.
Speaker 3: It's beautiful. You got it. They will be crying when
Speaker 3: we get back to Dallas.
Speaker 2: Okay for Nate Newton now, Mickey Spagnola. We thank Chris
Speaker 2: Beam and that's it for mix shots here on a Wednesday,
Speaker 2: August sixteenth, go za.
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