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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's the final regular season episode of the Tailgate.

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Speaker 1: Does that mean we're going to do a playoff edition?

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Speaker 1: I guess we will have to see Zach Martinez back.

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Speaker 1: He celebrates the Lions Division title. We talk about all

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Speaker 1: their potential draft pick scenarios. We get into the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: It's a really, really fun episode. I think you guys

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Speaker 1: On a personal note, here, guys, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: Enjoy this episode and enjoy the final week of the season.

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Speaker 2: Here, we gotta go there, we gotta go there, go

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome into the regular season finale edition of

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Speaker 1: The Tailgate. And it is a celebratory edition for our guests,

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Speaker 1: not for us. But we're we're gonna let the man

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Speaker 1: despite the disappointment and anger we feel inside of us.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, joining me friend of the Program, Returning

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Speaker 1: two weeks later with a division title in hand. Detroit

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Speaker 1: Lions fans, Zach Martinez.

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Speaker 2: When as soon as we took that game, my wife

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Speaker 1: So was it ninety one that you guys won the division?

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Speaker 1: the Panthers. Otherwise they should get kicked out of the league,

431
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Speaker 1: you know, with their spot in the playoffs on the line.

432
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Speaker 1: I would say last week I would have said the

433
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 1: Seahawks are a no brainer to run past the Cardinals.

434
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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I mean, was that what's going

435
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: on in Philadelphia? Plus a former coordinator coming in there?

436
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 1: Who knows.

437
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it has to do that

438
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Speaker 2: famous coordinator thing or of the previous coordinator. I think

439
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 2: there's something to be said for playing against your old team,

440
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 2: and like, if your team respects you, they will rally

441
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 2: around you. I mean, one of the few wins Matt

442
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: Patricia got was over the New England Patriots. Dan Campbell

443
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 2: put his stamp on the the Sean Payton game in Denver.

444
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 2: I think that has a lot to do with Phillies

445
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 2: lost to Arizona, and I think Seattle. I mean, this

446
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 2: is the position they're always in and it didn't work

447
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 2: out for them last year. Those are all pretty even matchups,

448
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: that's the thing.

449
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 1: And with the Packers except the Bucks, the Packers are

450
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 1: nearly a century deep of shit talking Bears fans, and

451
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: you know, that's fun to watch from the outside. It's

452
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: like when you're a kid and you're in the van

453
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Speaker 1: with your siblings and they're going at each other and

454
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: you know they're both gonna get in trouble, and it's

455
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 1: fun because what they're saying to each other, you're like, yeah,

456
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: that was a good one, but you're not You don't

457
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: have to deal with any of the interactions. You just

458
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 1: get to watch. So I love as much as I

459
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 1: don't like the Packers, I love watching them hold court

460
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Speaker 1: over the Bears. But I think they've done it so long,

461
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Speaker 1: and I think the Bears just quietly. I think there's

462
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: a lot of last year's Lions approach in this year's

463
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: Bears team where they're like, hey, man, keep talking shit.

464
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: You think you and your young quarterback are gonna go

465
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Speaker 1: to the playoffs? We're about to ruin some stuff.

466
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Speaker 2: Think about what's on the line too, for not only

467
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Speaker 2: the Bears, but for Justin Fields. Like Justin Fields is

468
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: playing for his job this week.

469
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Speaker 1: Or auditioning for a position anywhere in the league. This

470
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Speaker 1: is everything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't think I don't know, I don't

472
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Speaker 2: think that the I think I think the Bears could

473
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Speaker 2: definitely beat the Packers.

474
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Speaker 1: And think about how, you know, normally a team in

475
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Speaker 1: the Bears situation, you know, do you rest guys? Are

476
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Speaker 1: you incentivized to move up the draft board? What does

477
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: it look like? But you already have secured, guaranteed the

478
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: number one pick in the draft? Yeah, and so this

479
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: other like you have this just almost free pass to

480
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: go out there and give it everything you have to

481
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: ruin a season and not think about anything offseason related.

482
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Speaker 1: I really do think there's a chance. I think it's

483
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: not unreasonable that all these teams come together the way

484
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 1: they do. I think the cog in the wheel for

485
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: the Vikings is they haven't been necessarily playing great football,

486
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 1: and that means we have to beat your lions and

487
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 1: old boy Danny C from what I've seen most recently

488
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: in Zach, like you know how if you have a

489
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Speaker 1: pit bull yep, and you're like, I love this pit

490
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: bull man. He's amazing and he does a lot of

491
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: amazing things. Every once in a while, you're like out

492
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: at a park and there's other people in dogs era

493
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh shit, is he gonna do some

494
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Speaker 1: pit bull stuff? That's Dan Campbell. Ye, He's gonna play

495
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Speaker 1: the starters in week seventeen. It's an interesting call, man,

496
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: It's a very very interesting call. Now is he might

497
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: just be posturing. I think he's going to treat this

498
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: like a preseason game. I think he's going to get

499
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: the starters some reps early the game, see how it's going.

500
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: I mean, because we don't stand. All we stand to

501
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: do is move up to the two seed if Dallas loses.

502
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: So it doesn't, I don't. I think Dan Campbell is

503
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 1: very very aggressive, But I don't. I don't think he's

504
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: willing to be aggressive to sacrifice the future, which is

505
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: the first playoff win that we would have had in

506
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: since ninety one. Like I when he when he came here,

507
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: He's like, this is the job I want. This city

508
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: needs it. Like he seems to be plugged into what

509
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: the Lions fan base and organization are so desperately in

510
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: need of. So my forecast is he the starters are

511
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,479
Speaker 1: gonna play, and the starters are especially on offense hot,

512
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 1: but I don't I don't know that they play the

513
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: whole game. That's I mean, I'm hoping for your sake,

514
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: not just for the fact that I want the Vikings

515
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: to win. Is that you know, you guys get in,

516
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: you get out, you get clean. You know, maybe maybe

517
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: maybe we get a win and uh and you get

518
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: into the playoffs. Just fine. The other thing that's really

519
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: interesting for the Viking is the opposite, and that's what

520
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: people are having to decide right now. There's different types

521
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 1: of fans. There's the win at all costs. Like I remember,

522
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: I have a we have a mutual friend, Mike Brody, Yes,

523
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: very talented stand up comedian, lover of the NBA. I

524
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: die hard Minnesota Timberwolves fans remember that. And the year

525
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: that we drafted Carl Anthony Towns with the number one pick.

526
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: Going down the stretch, he and myself and some of

527
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: our friends were having this argument about not winning basketball

528
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: because the NBA is a different beast, sure, and he

529
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: was like, you gotta win. I want to be happy.

530
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: I was like, Mike, as much as I care about

531
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: your personal happiness connected to been eliminated from the playoffs

532
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: thirty games ago NBA season like they could have wound

533
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 1: up without Carl Anthony town. So I think fan bases

534
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: find themselves strewn about the spectrum of how they feel

535
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: in these last moments because the other side of this

536
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: is what we need to do to get into the playoffs,

537
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: is if the Bears beat the Packers, if Vegas wins,

538
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: if the Jets wins, like the Vikings could move all

539
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: the way up, They're not gonna get any worse. I

540
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: don't think than about the twelve seed. You know, actually

541
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: they could move to the thirteen because of the New

542
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: Orleans typebreaker, but they could go all the way up

543
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: to the eighth seed, which would be the highest they've

544
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: drafted since they took Anthony Barr at number nine. And

545
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: the difference between eight nine and twelve thirteen is a lot.

546
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: So I think you're gonna see a lot of fans

547
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: split all over about how they feel about what happens

548
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: in this Vikings Lions game.

549
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: I I'll tell you what, as a as a fan

550
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: of a team that parentally drafts in the top twelve,

551
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: you're gonna get a good player. And it gets to

552
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: the point where you're almost spoiled because you feel so

553
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: strongly that you need such a position, and then the

554
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: team goes another way and you have to convince yourself, okay,

555
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: this is this is it's gonna work. Like To draft

556
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: that high is a different kind of stress because there

557
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: is so much on the table, especially when you're talking

558
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: about what's gonna happen with Kirk Cousins. Is one of

559
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: the top receivers gonna fall to us because the offensive

560
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: lineman is. It's a deep class and they're gonna go early.

561
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if we took another wide receiver and

562
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: paired him with Jordan Addison and.

563
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: Jake h It would be insane. I mean, think about it,

564
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: it would be insane. You'd have to I mean the slot,

565
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: you'd have to. I think it would be more of

566
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: a across the middle kind of guy, because Jordan Edison

567
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: and Justin Jeffer can both stretch the field so well.

568
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: But you said something earlier in the show that I

569
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: think is pretty relevant to this conversation. It's that the

570
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, the NFL. You know you're coasting right now,

571
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: you're in this great moment, but two years from now,

572
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:56,959
Speaker 1: like that's what the league is. Two years from now,

573
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: you could be first to worst, worse to first. That's

574
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: what we're talking about here. And part of the reason

575
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: for that is if you can have a successful draft,

576
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: if you have a couple bad drafts, it puts you

577
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: in a really bad situation. I think, you know, the Vikings,

578
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: the Vikings. The NFL draft is such a crapshoot, and

579
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: the way that we talk about people being experts or

580
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: being good at it, it's it's pretty silly in my opinion.

581
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Speaker 1: I just think it's a very hard job and very

582
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Speaker 1: hat Like. I don't envy anyone who makes those decisions. Sure,

583
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: but you look at the Dallas Cowboys hitting Micah Parsons,

584
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb and Trayvon Diggs having all those guys on

585
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: rookie deals while you're paying out other big off So

586
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: that's the thing. So, like everybody's talking about, that's what

587
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: I mean about mystery with this Vikings team. You know,

588
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: do you tear it down? Do you rebuild? Is it

589
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: a competitive rebuild? All these terms that get thrown around, I've.

590
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: Never heard competitive rebuilds. Oh, the Pistons's right. The Pistons

591
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: call it a restoration. They call it a restore, which

592
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: they're come on, stop it.

593
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: First of all, I want to say something mean again,

594
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: but it's your moment. It's your moment. I think in

595
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: order to have heard the term competitive rebuild, you would

596
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: have need to have been at a level of competition

597
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: and had a desire to rebuild.

598
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: I can handle the truth. I just policy.

599
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: I just want you to have your moment. I just

600
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: want I don't I don't want to come in and

601
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: go Sana is not real. And so but I think

602
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: you know, to do something like that, which has been

603
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: a term that we've heard a lot around here from people.

604
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: You know in the media uses that term and fans

605
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: use that term. If all of a sudden, you go

606
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: in let's say you draft nine or twelve, If you

607
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: hit a Micah Parsons and then you hit another guy

608
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: in the second or third round, you hit two dudes

609
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: on rookie deals, and you have Addison, who I believe

610
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: Addison is about to be. I don't think anybody. I

611
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: don't think they know what's coming. This guy's gonna be

612
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: top twenty, maybe top ten in this league. You got

613
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: those three guys on rookie deals for three years, the

614
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: option like ooh.

615
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: So one thing, the thing you're not even considering too,

616
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: is like in the draft when it starts, like Micah

617
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: Parsons or Penny Stool when they fell to us because

618
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: the draft board just happened to shake out the way

619
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: that nobody thought it would. The excitement that you feel

620
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: with each passing pick, where it's like Penny is still there,

621
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: Mike is still there, like I can't, Oh my gosh,

622
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, oh my god, we got him. I can't.

623
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Speaker 2: The anticipation that builds at a position, particularly like in

624
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: the eight to ten range, and then you get someone

625
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: that you just didn't think is gonna be there. Oh

626
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: that's sweet. It's real, real sweet.

627
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: It's and I think it's that's what makes this whole

628
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: mystery of the offseason so much more interesting because we

629
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: can pretend and guess, but that that's what's gonna dictate it.

630
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: How you if you hit a couple home runs, that's

631
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: what changes absolutely everything. I mean, you guys are dealing

632
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: with it right now. We love TJ. Hockinson, but you

633
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: moved off of TJ. Hockinson, got Sam Laporta and now

634
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: have him the next four years on a a not

635
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: even a first round deal, second round deal. You guy,

636
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 1: that that is something where you go, oh, man, we

637
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: just gave ourselves such a team building advantage. And that'll

638
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: be what's what's really interesting when it.

639
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: Don't even just I mean in that moment for the

640
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: Lions too, like we have speaking of the first round

641
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: deals and hitting on things. We have Jamier Gibbs on

642
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: a first round deal along with Jack Campbell, who you know,

643
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: we have the fifth year option on both of those,

644
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: and then you have Brian Branch and uh and uh

645
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: Sam Sam Laporta in in the second round. Like we

646
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: hit on those first four picks. It's bananas, man.

647
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: And that's why I try to remind people when they're

648
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: talking to me about how this year went, or what's

649
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: the plan or stuff like that, I go, it all comes.

650
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: You hit, have a good year in the draft, and

651
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, everything you hated you love. Yeah,

652
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: you have a bad year in the draft. Everything you

653
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: love now you hate you know you you The Cowboys

654
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: are that great example. You can pay Dak what you

655
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: need to pay Dak when you got three killers. Aren't

656
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: like crushing on low deals. So everything you do is

657
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: going to be influenced by whether or not you can

658
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: put together a couple good drafts. And I think that'll

659
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: be the fun thing. But let's let's get out of here.

660
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: Let's focus on this week.

661
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: Okay, it's not.

662
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: The everything on the line game that I wanted it

663
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: to be. The NFL is always growing, and I think

664
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: they're really really bright. How they're approaching the the you know,

665
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: NFL Europe this time around is like incredibly bright. Sure,

666
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: you know, expanding games, you know the Thursdays, the Saturdays,

667
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: like the Nickelodeon. Yeah, dude, love the Nickelodeon. Do you

668
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: know how much when I was a kid I would

669
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: have been all in on the Nickelodeon games.

670
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: As an adult, them playing in Andy's bedroom still got

671
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: me excited. I was like, I'm I'm gonna tune in

672
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: for a second. I gotta see what's going on here.

673
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: Touchdowns and ghak, let's go. So I have this pitch.

674
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: The n waits to release their schedule for the final

675
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: day until you know, it all gets changed, right, like

676
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: last week we find out who's going to play on

677
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: Sunday night football. You guys were victims of that last year.

678
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: I think we should deviate away from the traditional you know,

679
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: Central time noon three seven, and we should have staggered

680
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: starts all day long, based purely on competitive scenarios. And

681
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: you know, first game starts at ten am. It's like

682
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: an AAU tournament. We got another one starting at It's

683
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: March madness, March madness. I want to track, like stagger

684
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: all these games to create the most drama throughout the

685
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: day and create March madness on a Sunday so as

686
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 1: things are falling apart, like every team that's alive feels alive.

687
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm not smart enough to know exactly how

688
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: to pull that schedule off, but you've got to create

689
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: a sweepstakes madness insanity down the stretch. That's what I want,

690
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 1: Like knowing what's on the line for everybody. I would

691
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: love to see it built. And every year somebody's gonna

692
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: get the screw job because you're like, well you built

693
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: it for them and I. But that's end the NFL.

694
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: Your bye week is at a different time or whatever. Whatever. Yeah,

695
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: but I want to see the staggered starts. No game

696
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: starts at the same time on the last Sunday of

697
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: the year.

698
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,959
Speaker 2: I like, Yeah, I think that's a gonna except for

699
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 2: the games where there are no playoff implications, you know,

700
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 2: because you've got you've got teams like Carolina that could play.

701
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: You know, this year would have been New Orleans like,

702
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: neither of them are gonna make it. Let's put them No.

703
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: No, no, Carolina has got the Bucks. Carolina's got the Bucks.

704
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: No, No, I know, I know. I'm just saying, hypothetically,

705
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: with the same the same division, it could end with

706
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: them playing each other. I love that. I love that.

707
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 2: I don't not even just for the last week. I

708
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: love it for December.

709
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what if you just adopted that? Now, see

710
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: that's what I'm talking about. What if you just adopted

711
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: that all the way down the field. Let me, let's

712
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: see how many games, because you've got seeding, you've got everything,

713
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: how many games would you guess, let's close on this,

714
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: how many games would you guess this week have some

715
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: sort of playoff scenario or playoff implication.

716
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 2: The only people that would know that answer. I feel

717
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: like are are political analysts on CNN calling for projected

718
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: wins in the blue and red states that math. I

719
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: can't even understand that math.

720
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: So, Steelers Ravens on Saturday, playoff implications for the Steelers

721
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: Texans Colts both nine and seven.

722
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: Do you think the Ravens will play all their players?

723
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a tough one day. I mean,

724
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: it's a long break.

725
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 2: I get that it's a long break it but yeah,

726
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 2: that's a game.

727
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: Texans Colts both nine and seven. That's huge playoff implications,

728
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: pending what happens with the Jags and Titans. Also playoff implications.

729
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: Browns at eleven and five, so that's the one. Nothing

730
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: really going on there. The Browns are locked into their seed.

731
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 1: The Bengals are eight and eight, so so far, Vikings,

732
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: Lions technically playoff implication. So you're talking so far, we

733
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: have four of five, You got Jets and Patriots, who cares?

734
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: Four of six? Nothing, Falcons and Saints. You get that one.

735
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: Playoff implications five of seven, Bucks and Pats, six of eight,

736
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: Bears and Packers, seven of nine, Broncos and Raiders. I

737
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: think that one's dead. Seven of ten, Giants and Eagles.

738
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: I think you know the Eagles are playing for something.

739
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: Eight and eleven Seahawks they have it, Chiefs, Chargers. I

740
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: don't think there's much there Rams, Niners, Cowboys, Commanders playing

741
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: for it, and Bill's Dolphins. I mean it's virtually every

742
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: single game, some of them less than others, and you

743
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: could but I mean these like the AFC South with

744
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: those three teams, the NFC South, with those teams, you

745
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: could really build some drama throughout the day by starting

746
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: them at like NCAA March Madness start times.

747
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: I do. I mean, I do love that. I don't

748
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: think for his talents it is as he is at

749
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: his job. I don't think Scott Hansen can handle it

750
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: on NFL Red Zone. I mean that's just too much.

751
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: You just tune in every Sunday and he's just passed

752
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: out on his desk.

753
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 2: He's just mumbling random numbers with dead eyes.

754
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: Zach. We love you, buddy, Thank you very We're very

755
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: begrudgingly happy for you. And I gotta tell you we'll

756
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: talk about this next year. I've started watching the Barry

757
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: Sanders documentary. Yeah, I didn't realize how unwilling he spent

758
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: his entire like how unwilling he was to discuss his

759
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: retirement and tell them that documentary.

760
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: Oh that's a Jimmy Hoffa level mystery in Detroit. It was,

761
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: and still I think kinda is.

762
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 1: I would have loved to speak about that. We will

763
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: speak about that at some time. But watching that, the

764
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: first half of that documentary and seeing so when you

765
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: guys made the playoffs that first year and had that

766
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: home playoff game of Wayne Fonse and just like seeing

767
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: your team. Maybe my favorite part of the documentary is

768
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: when Barry Sanders signed his deal I think the last

769
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: like right before the season started, and so he wasn't

770
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: really entrenched in the offense. He didn't know anything, and

771
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: so Fonse wasn't gonna play him in the first game

772
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: of his career. And he goes out there and like

773
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: everybody's chanting his name the whole game. That's how bad

774
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 1: the Lions had been there, like put the guy in

775
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: who doesn't know the plays, they're chanting his name, Like

776
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: Fonse in a press conference was like, everything's gonna be

777
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: all right. We got Barry. And so for those of

778
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: you haven't seen it, it gets to the fourth quarter

779
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: and fonce is like, ah it, let's Barry. He literally

780
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: asked him, do you want to go in? And Barry's

781
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: like I do, And so they showed him a couple

782
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: of plays on the sideline. He comes in and his

783
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: first run I think nineteen yards. Yeah, best play of

784
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: the game. And then he scores a touchdown. And the

785
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: way that stadium it was like forty thousand people, like

786
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: thirty thousand open seats, but the way that stadium erupted.

787
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: I had this. It's like when you see a dog

788
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: at a dog shelter who's getting adopted. Yeah, I had

789
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: it allowed me to connect to you and your fan

790
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: base where I'm all in on the Browns in the AFC. Sure,

791
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: I think that's the most fun story in the NFL.

792
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm all in on the Lions. Brown's Lions super Bowl

793
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: is the dream for me. Give that to me, Give

794
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: it to me all day long.

795
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm taking just on the Barry Sanders aspect before

796
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: we go, just I encourage anyone who has or has

797
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: not seen his highlights, just go watch his highlights. They

798
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 2: are so friggin exciting. I mean, he lost more yards

799
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: than most running backs get in their career. Like he

800
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: was so good. And then as far as fairy tale

801
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: Super Bowl matchups, yes, would love to see Cleveland and Detroit.

802
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 2: And then in the NFC Championship, I would love for

803
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: us to take down the forty nine ers. Before that,

804
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 2: I would love to take down the Cowboys, and before that,

805
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 2: you know, the Rams are the Packers, those are all

806
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: those are all such romantic stories. And if this is

807
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: if there was ever a fairy tale season, that's how

808
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: it would shake out.

809
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: That's the way you do it. You beat the teams that,

810
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: like I've always said for the Vikings to have, like

811
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: if they could beat the you beat the Packers in

812
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: round one. I mean the Vikings have a few to

813
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: choose from, but you exercise the Hail Mary Bs and

814
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: you beat the Cowboys in round two, and then you

815
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: maybe beat the Saints or the Eagles in round three,

816
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: and then you go to the Super Bowl and you

817
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: get to knock off the Chiefs or the Raiders. You know,

818
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: you know somebody from your Super Bowl lost history. Yeah,

819
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: I think your mindset is right. What's what do you

820
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: got for a score? This weekend?

821
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 2: Twenty eight twenty lions.

822
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: Even with Dan Campbell resting twenty eight twenty lions. I

823
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: think I don't know.

824
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: Let me, guys, drest for you. I can I feel

825
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: I can see it in your eyes. Seven hundred and

826
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 2: fifty two to three.

827
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: Don't, Zach, this is a I take this show very seriously,

828
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: so I know that you're riding high on your division title.

829
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: But if you could keep your nonsense, bullshit bits off

830
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: my program, that'd be great. I think if Dan Campbell

831
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: is gonna rest people, you know, I think it's gonna

832
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: be hard to put points on the board. I think

833
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: it's about lions thirteen vikings, one hundred and thirty eight. Zach,

834
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: I love you too, but here about your deep me

835
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: and I hope you enjoy whatever happens in the playoffs.

836
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: Oh yes, me too. Thank you and happy New Year.

837
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: Thanks again to our good friend Zach Martinez for joining

838
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,640
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839
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