WEBVTT - 3 Scientific Reasons Why We Lose The Spark and 3 Ways To Get It Back

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<v Speaker 1>Men tend to demonstrate what psychologists call the dark triad

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<v Speaker 1>of characteristics more often no, no, Everyone's like, WHOA, what's

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<v Speaker 1>the dark triad? So the dark triad of characteristics are narcissism, psychopathy,

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<v Speaker 1>and this last one is the manipulativeness and an extreme

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<v Speaker 1>focus on their own interests over others. These traits don't

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<v Speaker 1>sound at all attractive, right, I mean, you're not going

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I want? But are you? Hey? Everyone, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>Today's episode is something I think that's so so important,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm hearing about it more and more because I

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<v Speaker 1>think we underestimate the impact that the last few years

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<v Speaker 1>have had on our relationships. We underestimate the impact that

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<v Speaker 1>it's had on us, whether we're inner relationship or whether

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<v Speaker 1>we're single, and for a lot of us, our relationship

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<v Speaker 1>status changed during the pandemic. Some people got into new

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<v Speaker 1>relationships so we're just starting. Some people actually broke up

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<v Speaker 1>from even long term relationships. And then there's all of

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<v Speaker 1>us who may feel social anxiety now being out in

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<v Speaker 1>public meeting new people. And so I want to start

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<v Speaker 1>addressing these issues in these challenges because I know they're

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<v Speaker 1>very real and often as society we like to gloss

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<v Speaker 1>over them and move on, but then we don't feel seen,

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<v Speaker 1>heard and understood. And so today I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about reasons why we lose the spark in relationships and

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<v Speaker 1>how to get it back. Raise your hand if you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever lost this spark in a relationship, and by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>this episode is for you, whether you're in a relationship

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<v Speaker 1>or not, because I promise you you're going to bump

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<v Speaker 1>into someone, You're going to find that spark, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>feel that chemistry, and then you're going to be feeling

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<v Speaker 1>this way in six months time. It's actually biologically chemically

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen, I'll explain in this episode, and I

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<v Speaker 1>want you to stick around for that. But raise your

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<v Speaker 1>hands if you've ever lost the spark in a relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>I think every single one of us can attest to that.

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<v Speaker 1>And today I'm going to talk about the reasons why

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<v Speaker 1>that happens, and I think some of them are actually

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<v Speaker 1>going to surprise you. And then I'm also going to

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<v Speaker 1>share with you methods that I've used that I could

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<v Speaker 1>rather have used, and that research shows will actually work.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether you're in a relationship, whether you just started dating,

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<v Speaker 1>whether you're single, or you just broke up. Please do

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<v Speaker 1>listen to this because it may even answer your questions.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're someone who just broke up or the relationship

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<v Speaker 1>just ended, this may actually answer a lot of questions,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you didn't get closure. All right, so let's

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<v Speaker 1>dive straight in. We are fascinated and addicted to this

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<v Speaker 1>idea of chemistry the amount of times they're here. So

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<v Speaker 1>we went on a couple of dates but I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel any spark, or I'm not going on a second

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<v Speaker 1>date because I didn't feel any chemistry, or we've been

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<v Speaker 1>seeing each other, but you know, there isn't that feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get the butterflies, right, We've all heard this,

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<v Speaker 1>We've all said this, and it's true. We want to

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<v Speaker 1>feel chemistry with the person we potentially could spend our

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<v Speaker 1>lives with. There's nothing wrong with that, And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to say that is anything wrong with that. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's normal. It's natural. When I first met rather,

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<v Speaker 1>I felt tons of chemistry, and even today I feel

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<v Speaker 1>it in a different way. And it's something that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think should be underestimated. But also sometimes it's overrated, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that balance between underestimated or underrated and overrated that

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<v Speaker 1>we need to get right. And so so many of

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<v Speaker 1>us sometimes overrate this chemistry idea and we underrate the

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<v Speaker 1>character idea. Chemistry starts relationships, character continues relationships. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>repeat that again. Chemistry starts relationships, character continues and keeps relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think this idea that someone's character and your

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<v Speaker 1>character is really shown by when you're stressed, when you're tired,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're exhausted, and that's what happens as a relationship progresses.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're seeing each other in the beginning. The reason

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<v Speaker 1>why there's so much chemistry is you only see each

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<v Speaker 1>other one hour a day, or two hours a week,

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<v Speaker 1>or two hours every two weeks, or whatever it may be.

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<v Speaker 1>For a day every month, and in that time, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not really seeing a three sixty degree view of this person.

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<v Speaker 1>You're seeing a forty five degree view or less of

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<v Speaker 1>an individual. We're so much more complex, we have so

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<v Speaker 1>much more going on, and our character traits, such as

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<v Speaker 1>our interests and our values are more of the nurture

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<v Speaker 1>part of who we are and come from the cultural

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<v Speaker 1>forces that surround us as we grow up. So what

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<v Speaker 1>I would say is that in any relationship, we have

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<v Speaker 1>to evolve from chemistry to character if we really want

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship to progress. And I think too many of

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<v Speaker 1>us keep placing too much emphasis on chemistry for too long.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like saying, I really enjoy driving in

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<v Speaker 1>gear five, and so even when I'm going up a hill,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to try and drive up in gear five. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want that feeling. I just want to hear

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<v Speaker 1>the sound of the car. I just want to feel

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<v Speaker 1>that experience. Now, some of you may have actually tried

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<v Speaker 1>to do this, if you've ever tried to drive a

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<v Speaker 1>car in gear five, And now everyone's like, what's gears

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<v Speaker 1>do we just have for automatic cars or electric cars?

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<v Speaker 1>Very true, I get it, but I remember driving a

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<v Speaker 1>manual car, and the idea of just driving a manual

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<v Speaker 1>car up a hill in gear five just doesn't make

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<v Speaker 1>any sense. But that's what we're trying to do in relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>I will come back to you with a better analogy

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<v Speaker 1>that is more relevant right now, but we will get there.

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<v Speaker 1>I also want to talk about I want to highlight

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<v Speaker 1>a particular experience where this happens. So this happens in

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<v Speaker 1>many different ways. How we overrate chemistry and underrate character.

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<v Speaker 1>But I want to give a very specific example and

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<v Speaker 1>a study on this. And it's all about the bad

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<v Speaker 1>boy and biology or the biology of the bad boy. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>how many of you have ever been attracted to the

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<v Speaker 1>bad guy? Right, the bad boy? How many of you

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<v Speaker 1>have ever been be honest, be honest, do not be ashamed,

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<v Speaker 1>do not feel embarrassed? Right? And how many of you

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<v Speaker 1>have ever been attracted to the bad person or the

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<v Speaker 1>bad girl, like someone who kind of is a rebel,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of has that edge. Right's super attractive. And certainly

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<v Speaker 1>there are bad boys and bad girls out there, and

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<v Speaker 1>the bad boy type is far more common because men

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<v Speaker 1>tend to demonstrate what psychologists call the dark triad of

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<v Speaker 1>characteristics more often. No No, everyone's like, ooh, what's the

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<v Speaker 1>dark triad? So the dark triad of characteristics are narcissism, psychopathy,

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<v Speaker 1>and this last one is the manipulativeness and an extreme

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<v Speaker 1>focus on their own interests over others. Now, when we

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<v Speaker 1>look at them clinically, these traits don't sound at all attractive, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're not going that's what I want? But

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<v Speaker 1>are you? When we look at that clinically, even though

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't seem attractive, in the real world, they can

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<v Speaker 1>be quite alluring. Now. Gregory Lewis Carter of the University

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<v Speaker 1>of Durham and his team gave one hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eight undergraduate women descriptions of two types of men, what

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<v Speaker 1>we'd call regular guys who served as the controls for

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<v Speaker 1>the study, and bad boys. The bad boys were described

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<v Speaker 1>using traits from an inventory of characteristics typically associated with narcissism,

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<v Speaker 1>such as a desire for attention and admiration, a lack

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<v Speaker 1>of remorse or sensitivity, lack of concern with moral standards,

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<v Speaker 1>and cynicism. The researchers then asked the women to rate

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<v Speaker 1>the attractiveness of the men based on these descriptions, and

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<v Speaker 1>you guessed it. Bad Boys came out on top. The

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<v Speaker 1>researchers concluded that two issues may be at play in

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<v Speaker 1>the women's choices. For one, biology, the bad boys had

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<v Speaker 1>traits that women could have interpreted would make them stronger

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<v Speaker 1>genetically and therefore better mates for reproducing. But on a

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<v Speaker 1>more everyday level, it could have been down to the

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<v Speaker 1>bad boys ability to sell themselves. Remember among the dark

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<v Speaker 1>triad our characteristics of manipulation and ability to represent themselves favorably.

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<v Speaker 1>So the reason why I'm sharing that with you and

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<v Speaker 1>why we lose the spark is because we're attracted to

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong person in the first place. Right, So what

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<v Speaker 1>ends up happening is we get attracted to the wrong person.

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<v Speaker 1>We then start to see the reality of that individual.

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<v Speaker 1>And after we see the reality, we have to readjust

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<v Speaker 1>And I want to break down those three steps. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's natural to make the wrong decision to be attracted

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<v Speaker 1>to the wrong thing, then see reality. And the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>mistake we do is often it's glaringly obvious that this

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<v Speaker 1>person is obviously wrong for us, and we keep trying

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<v Speaker 1>to readjust to stay the best thing we can do

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<v Speaker 1>in that moment when we've really learned about the reality

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<v Speaker 1>and if it's fully that extreme is to move on.

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<v Speaker 1>So the first lesson of today, the first reason is

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<v Speaker 1>this idea of how we have to transition from chemistry

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<v Speaker 1>to character. Right, chemistry to characters one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>reasons why relationships end. Now, I want to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>you about how this changes biologically. Right, So let's dive

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<v Speaker 1>into a study about love at first sight. According to

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<v Speaker 1>a study in the Journal for the International Association for

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<v Speaker 1>Relationship Research, that's a mouthful, Participants who reported having had

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<v Speaker 1>love at first sight experience were also more likely to

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<v Speaker 1>emphasize the importance of physical attractiveness over concepts associated with

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<v Speaker 1>true love, such as intimacy and commitment. Notice how we're

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<v Speaker 1>constantly led astray now. Studies show that when we're younger,

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<v Speaker 1>our prefrontal cortex is less developed, so we're more likely

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<v Speaker 1>to follow our feelings as opposed to reasoning in self control.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why, Actually, which is so fascinating. Don't you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you felt more chemistry when you were younger? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't you feel you just felt more naturally attracted to

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<v Speaker 1>people when you were younger, even when you didn't go

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<v Speaker 1>on a date, whereas now, as an adult, you go

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<v Speaker 1>on so many dates and you don't feel anything. And

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<v Speaker 1>the reason is because now your brain is developed and

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<v Speaker 1>your reasoning and your self control is so high that

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<v Speaker 1>you're actually able to be more discerning. Now, the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why I'm talking about this is that, as the researchers wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>we therefore suggest that at first sight is not a

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<v Speaker 1>distinct form of love, but rather a strong initial attraction

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<v Speaker 1>that some labelers love at first sight, either in the

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<v Speaker 1>moment or retrospective. Now, when I talk about me and

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<v Speaker 1>RADI it was definitely attraction at first sight. Rady did

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<v Speaker 1>not care. If you ask Grady, she would say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even notice him. I noticed her for sure, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Just to clarify how deceiving it can be. Now. Hedonic

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<v Speaker 1>adaptation is a psychological concept that describes why. For instance,

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<v Speaker 1>studies show that while happiness spikes in the first two

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<v Speaker 1>years of marriage, this could be a two years of

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<v Speaker 1>living together then returns to prior levels. Researchers call this

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<v Speaker 1>early stage of love passionate love. Over time, if love lasts,

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<v Speaker 1>it tends to morph into something still beautiful, but less

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<v Speaker 1>charged by the exciting and sometimes stressful dopamine spikes that

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<v Speaker 1>accompany newness. Now, this is really interesting. When something's new,

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<v Speaker 1>you experience stress and excitement at the same time. So

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<v Speaker 1>the excitement is they gave me their number, distresses, will

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<v Speaker 1>they text me? The excitement is, oh, my gosh, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going on our first date. Distresses do they like me? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>So you're going through this is pendulum of excitement and stress,

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<v Speaker 1>excitement and stress, excitement and stress, and that's what makes

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<v Speaker 1>you feel like you have a spark. Biologically chemically, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>over time, if love lasts, it tends to morph into

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<v Speaker 1>something still beautiful, but less charged by that excitement and stress.

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<v Speaker 1>This later state is called compassionate love and is characterized

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<v Speaker 1>by deep connection. So when something becomes routine or consistently available,

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<v Speaker 1>it naturally lose its spark. Right when someone when you

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<v Speaker 1>have to kind of guess when you're going to see someone,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're going to surprise each other, naturally that a spark. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>though our brains can and do adapt to anything that's routine,

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<v Speaker 1>arousal and physical passion tended to be affected more when

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<v Speaker 1>these things fade. Much of love's heavy lifting is done

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<v Speaker 1>by our deeper attraction, that of our character and values

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<v Speaker 1>and how well they are suited to one another. If

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<v Speaker 1>we never looked beyond the spark, when the initial chemistry

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<v Speaker 1>begins to fade, the relationship fizzles. Right. So I want

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<v Speaker 1>to keep emphasizing the power of goals, values, a deeper

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<v Speaker 1>understanding of the human being. And by the way, if

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<v Speaker 1>reality surprised you and you don't want reality, that is

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely fine too. You don't have to keep putting yourself

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<v Speaker 1>in a position you don't want to be in. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's a big reason, right, That's a really really big

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<v Speaker 1>reason as to why the spark goes away. Because we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the idea that you know, we're attracted to

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong thing in the first place. We're not switching

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<v Speaker 1>from chemistry to character. And if we don't the chemistry,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to understand that's biology. It's literally changing, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Our hormones are changing, The chemicals that are released are changing.

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<v Speaker 1>As you spend more time, you become more comfortable with

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<v Speaker 1>with them, you become more natural with them. Now, this

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<v Speaker 1>one's a really really big one. This next one, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's something that again we don't talk about enough.

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<v Speaker 1>I find that it's fascinating that at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>a relationship you want to win the other person over.

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<v Speaker 1>But then fast forward into the relationship, you want them

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<v Speaker 1>to lose in an argument. Right, You spend the whole

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<v Speaker 1>first few months trying to win the other person over,

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<v Speaker 1>and now all you want to do is beat them

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<v Speaker 1>in an argument. Notice how you went from winning them

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<v Speaker 1>over to wanting them to lose. Now that's the challenge

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<v Speaker 1>that the relationship now goes from being a collaboration to

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<v Speaker 1>a competition. Right, it goes from being a collaboration to

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<v Speaker 1>a competition. And that's where relationship starts to disintegrate, it

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<v Speaker 1>starts to break down, it starts to fall apart. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is fascinating to me because you went from having

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<v Speaker 1>a collaborative, exciting, chemistry based, compatible connection and now all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, it became a competition. Right, it became

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<v Speaker 1>a competition. And listen to this author and Leary met

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<v Speaker 1>her husband when she was twenty and he was twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>They were perfect together. They had similar attributes and psychological makeup.

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<v Speaker 1>They were both intensely competitive, both emotional and sensitive. They

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<v Speaker 1>loved kids and animals. They even looked similar to one another.

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<v Speaker 1>But as Leary writes, when the couple had kids, their

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<v Speaker 1>matching attitudes and temperaments started to cause problems. They began

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<v Speaker 1>to keep scool, noting who each thought was doing more

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<v Speaker 1>to contribute to the family and who was being more

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<v Speaker 1>critical and self serving. After years of this, they sought therapy,

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<v Speaker 1>but one evening, while sitting in the marriage counselor's office,

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<v Speaker 1>they simply agreed it just wasn't going to work and

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<v Speaker 1>they should get a divorce. On the way home, they

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<v Speaker 1>stopped for a bite to eat, during which Anne decided

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<v Speaker 1>to finally tell her husband everything she'd been holding back

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<v Speaker 1>every time he'd failed in our eyes or led her down.

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<v Speaker 1>To her surprise, instead of pushing back and arguing, he apologized.

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<v Speaker 1>Shocked at his response and softened, then confessed everything she

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<v Speaker 1>was sorry for two, Instead of discussing the divorce, they

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<v Speaker 1>called their apartment and asked their kids if they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to see a movie together as a family. They never

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<v Speaker 1>did file for divorce, and instead learned to shift the

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<v Speaker 1>dynamics of their relationship. Their competition is now more of

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<v Speaker 1>a friendly rivalry, and instead of being critical, they've learned

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<v Speaker 1>to celebrate one another success. Now, notice how those two

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<v Speaker 1>trajectories right, You're going down this road of chemistry hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>you find compatibility, and then you have this split point.

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<v Speaker 1>You either choose competition or you choose connection. Competition leads

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<v Speaker 1>to complaining, criticism comparison, and you know, connection leads to

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<v Speaker 1>all the great stuff that we're really looking for. And

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<v Speaker 1>so everyone that that fork in their relationship always right

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<v Speaker 1>and you have to decide whether you're choosing to compete

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<v Speaker 1>with this person or you're choosing to compete on who

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<v Speaker 1>can love each other more deeply. And so that's another

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<v Speaker 1>reason why relationships fizz all out, is that we choose

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<v Speaker 1>competition over collaboration. We choose competition over connection, We choose

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<v Speaker 1>comparison over care and compassion. And I think if we

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<v Speaker 1>can really think about our life as we're always choosing

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<v Speaker 1>between those two. When you're next in an argument, ask yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>am I competing with the person I tried to win

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<v Speaker 1>over because that doesn't make any sense? Or do I

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<v Speaker 1>want to collaborate with them? Literally ask yourself that question.

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<v Speaker 1>So I hope this is really being illuminating for you,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to talk to you about where we

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<v Speaker 1>can go right, how we can improve this right for ourselves,

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<v Speaker 1>Like what are some of the things that we can

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<v Speaker 1>do So I looked at some research as to what

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<v Speaker 1>makes a marriage good after the honeymoon, and this applies

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<v Speaker 1>to what makes a relationship good after the honey moon phase.

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<v Speaker 1>And to answer this question, anthropologist Helen Fisher did some

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<v Speaker 1>great research. The team found a group of unicorns, not

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<v Speaker 1>real unicorns, but people who had been married for an

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<v Speaker 1>average of twenty one point four years and reported they

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<v Speaker 1>were still very much in love. They scanned their brains

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<v Speaker 1>while these people looked at pictures of a familiar acquaintance,

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<v Speaker 1>a close long term friend, and acquaintance with whom they

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<v Speaker 1>were less familiar, and their partner, unlike when they looked

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<v Speaker 1>at photos of others. When they looked at pictures of

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<v Speaker 1>their partners, they showed activities in areas of the brain

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<v Speaker 1>that are associated with all three of our basic human drives.

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<v Speaker 1>The sex drive, our drive for romantic passion, yes that's

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<v Speaker 1>an actual drive, and our drive to feel attachment. Now attachment,

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<v Speaker 1>what research is call liking, can form the basis for

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<v Speaker 1>a happy long term relationships. It's almost that idea of like,

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<v Speaker 1>you say you love someone, but do you like them?

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<v Speaker 1>I had someone say this to me. I was officiating

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<v Speaker 1>a wedding a couple of years ago, and this person

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<v Speaker 1>came up to me and they said, jay, I broke

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<v Speaker 1>up with someone because we realized we loved each other,

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<v Speaker 1>but we didn't like each other. And I thought that

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<v Speaker 1>was such a fascinating statement, because you think love encompasses everything,

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<v Speaker 1>but liking someone means you actually like being around them.

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<v Speaker 1>Love means you care about them. You may have deep

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<v Speaker 1>feelings towards them, but you don't like them, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>get along with them. So when the researchers compared the

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<v Speaker 1>results to brain activity in those who are experiencing early

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<v Speaker 1>stage love, the newly and Love showed activity pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>entirely in wanting areas associated with dopamine fueled passionate love.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can see it's very, very different. The researchers said,

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<v Speaker 1>for someone they look at their partner, it looks almost

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<v Speaker 1>as if their brain is on fire, and in a

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<v Speaker 1>way it is. We can still experience intense love many

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<v Speaker 1>years into marriage, but in these later years what fuels

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<v Speaker 1>love changes. You can think one of the early stage

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<v Speaker 1>of relationship and all of that initial passion like gasoline.

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<v Speaker 1>It will burn hot and fast when it ignites, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's not sustainable. When we connect on a deeper level.

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<v Speaker 1>When we listen fully to one another, when we hold

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<v Speaker 1>hands or share long hugs, we're putting wood on the fire,

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<v Speaker 1>and over time we get the enduring warmth of a

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<v Speaker 1>long lasting relationship. And what we understand from the Gottman

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<v Speaker 1>Institute is that rather than creating a climate of disagreement

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<v Speaker 1>and resistance, couples embrace each other's needs. Right, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of do I make my partner feel seen, heard

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<v Speaker 1>and understood? And do I feel seen, heard and understood?

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<v Speaker 1>And are we making enough time to feel seen, heard

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<v Speaker 1>and understood. And I think too many people we feel

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<v Speaker 1>that I already heard my partner, I've already seen them,

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<v Speaker 1>I already know them. Right, there's this assumption of I've

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<v Speaker 1>already figured them out, I already fully understand them, and

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<v Speaker 1>that actually blocks us. And that's why the spark goes away,

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<v Speaker 1>because now we're only looking at old things about our partner.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not learning about the new things. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>go a bit deeper with you all if I can.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the reasons why relationships and chemistry fade and

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<v Speaker 1>what we can do about them, is that we don't

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<v Speaker 1>realize that relationships are not just for pleasure, but therefore

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<v Speaker 1>reaching our truest potential. Your partner is going to push you,

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<v Speaker 1>challenge you in ways that no one else ever has,

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<v Speaker 1>and actually it could bring out the best out of

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<v Speaker 1>you if you're willing to let it come out. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think too many of us are scared of letting

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<v Speaker 1>it come out because of our ego. We don't want

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<v Speaker 1>our partner to challenge us. Now, I'm not saying that

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<v Speaker 1>your partners should criticize you or compare you to other people.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not healthy. But our partner can challenge us in

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<v Speaker 1>so many other ways and challenge our ego in so

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<v Speaker 1>many other ways. And so there's a lot of growth

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<v Speaker 1>to be had. And there's a beautiful statement from relationship

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<v Speaker 1>counselor and form a monk as well, Thomas Moore. He

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<v Speaker 1>writes in his book Soulmates, relationships are not meant to

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<v Speaker 1>provide us with unending happiness. When we focus our attention

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<v Speaker 1>on the soul of the relationship instead of on its

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<v Speaker 1>interpersonal mechanics, a different set of values come to the foreground.

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<v Speaker 1>We begin to see relationships as the place where the

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<v Speaker 1>soul works out its destiny. With our focus on the soul,

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<v Speaker 1>we won't feel the impossible burden of doing the relationship right.

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<v Speaker 1>So he says, when we look at the issues from

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<v Speaker 1>the standpoint of our soul, we stop putting ourselves as

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<v Speaker 1>the center. We don't ask what's wrong with me? We

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<v Speaker 1>ask how does the failure of this relationship serve me?

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<v Speaker 1>Or what is our out of alignment within me? That

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<v Speaker 1>I chose to be in a relationship that does not

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<v Speaker 1>honor my values. So More also writes that the problems

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<v Speaker 1>within a relationship don't necessarily mean that something is wrong. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>these challenges may bee invite us to lean into one another.

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<v Speaker 1>Periods of stress and points of disagreements can actually serve

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<v Speaker 1>as initiation of sorts into a more meaningful relationship where

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<v Speaker 1>we understand and relate to ourselves and the other person

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<v Speaker 1>on a deeper level. I love this idea. I love

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<v Speaker 1>this idea that challenges doesn't mean we just walk away,

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<v Speaker 1>that we throw it away, That this could be the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest growth that we could go through. See. The problem

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<v Speaker 1>is in a relationship, we measure our self worth by

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<v Speaker 1>how well the relationships going. We don't measure it by saying, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how much am I growing? Right? We measure our self

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<v Speaker 1>worth and our self esteem by how well is this

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<v Speaker 1>relationship going, not by how am I feeling or how

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<v Speaker 1>am I growing or what am I accomplishing Separately. The

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<v Speaker 1>other thing I'm going to mention here is the investment

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<v Speaker 1>we make in our relationship. Now. Researchers from the National

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<v Speaker 1>University of Singapore and Emory University use data from more

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<v Speaker 1>than three thousand married people to determine the correlation between

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<v Speaker 1>how much money you spend on weddings and divorce rates.

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<v Speaker 1>This is scary. They found that the more a couple

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<v Speaker 1>spent on a wedding, the more likely the marriage wouldn't last.

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<v Speaker 1>Those who married on the cheap, relatively speaking, for a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars or less, were fifty three percent less likely

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<v Speaker 1>to divorce, and couples spending between one thousand and five

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars were eighteen percent less likely to split up. Conversely,

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<v Speaker 1>couples who forked out over ten to twenty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>for the big day were twenty nine percent more likely

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<v Speaker 1>to divorce. Among those who went all out, spending more

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<v Speaker 1>than twenty thousand dollars, the odds their marriage wouldn't last

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<v Speaker 1>rose to forty six percent. Now I'm not telling you

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<v Speaker 1>not to have a big wedding. I'm really not restricting you.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I'm saying is are we investing more in

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<v Speaker 1>moving in and getting married or are we investing in

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<v Speaker 1>our relationship? How many of us are? You know, when

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting married, you think about a guest list. How

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<v Speaker 1>many of you have thought about the couples you really

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<v Speaker 1>want to spend time with. That's the thing we should

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<v Speaker 1>be thinking about when we get married. We have efficiant.

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<v Speaker 1>The officiant is guiding the ceremony. Who are our marriage mentors?

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<v Speaker 1>Or even if you're not getting married, our relationship mentors? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Who's coaching us? Who's guiding us through this? Who are

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<v Speaker 1>we turning to? And clinical psychologist Seth Meyers says that

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<v Speaker 1>seeking counseling before getting married, and I'm just talking about

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<v Speaker 1>getting married is almost like a commitment in a relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you choose not to get married. So Seth

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<v Speaker 1>Meyers says that seeking counseling before getting married is the

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<v Speaker 1>smartest decision that any couple can make. Myers believes this

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<v Speaker 1>is one thing that religious institutions and spiritual traditions that

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<v Speaker 1>require or at least recommend premarital counseling, get right. Yeah. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>many couples who aren't required by institutions or spiritual leaders

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<v Speaker 1>to have counseling before marriage avoid seeking this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>support because of fear. They're afraid that if they talk

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<v Speaker 1>about challenges they're already having, putting a spotlight on their

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<v Speaker 1>problems will magnify them and they'll split up. Mis says,

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<v Speaker 1>it's typically the opposite. That's true, having a structured environment

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<v Speaker 1>where you can express your feelings and be supported. Working

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<v Speaker 1>through early challenges actually helps you resolve the issues so

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<v Speaker 1>they won't creep up later on when you're in a relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>So at that point later on, you could be so

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<v Speaker 1>entrenched that they're harder to resolve and really could lead

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<v Speaker 1>to divorce. So I think our avoidance of problems in

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<v Speaker 1>hope that things will work out really tend to work.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope this episode has been really illuminating on how

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<v Speaker 1>it's natural that chemistry will go, it's natural that compatibility

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<v Speaker 1>and character will rise. We then have a choice between

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<v Speaker 1>competition or collaboration. And finally we have a choice between

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<v Speaker 1>really excavating and creating long lasting soul connection and work

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to the idea of I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>have a good time. I'm not saying that relationships are

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<v Speaker 1>not fun, they're not exciting. They are, they're thrilling, But

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, there is a growth that comes

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<v Speaker 1>from it that is even more satisfying. I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 1>feel that if you're someone who's gone to the gym regularly,

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<v Speaker 1>even though it was uncomfortable in the beginning, the feeling

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<v Speaker 1>is so much better. If you've been eating really healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>The feeling is so much better if you've worked on

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<v Speaker 1>a tough relationship. Their success, the accomplishment you feel from

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<v Speaker 1>this type of growth is so much greater than any pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for listening to on Purpose. I

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