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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, October seventeenth. This is Jackwar's happy hour.

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Speaker 1: And now a guy who loves the band Oasis so

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Speaker 1: much he owns the Champagne Chevy Nova. Brian Sexton Oasis.

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Speaker 1: I've heard of them. I heard they were on Saturday

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Speaker 1: Night Live. That's about all I know about him, though.

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Speaker 1: And I did have a Chevy Nova and it was

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Speaker 1: not age for a year. It was a nineteen seventy three.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that was the great year for the nova.

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Speaker 1: Chevy Nova.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it was.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't lime green, and it wasn't a rich green.

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Speaker 1: It was sort of a faded green.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I liked it.

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Speaker 2: It was kind of an avocadosh green.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It didn't have the big engine.

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Speaker 2: Didn't would would you have the straight six center or something?

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Speaker 1: My dad didn't want me to have something that was

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Speaker 1: going to get him in a lot of trouble with

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Speaker 1: the insurance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I get you, but I liked it. Speaking

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Speaker 2: it was one of the hot rods.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Well listen, if I'd had my way,

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Speaker 1: it would have been yeah. But instead I sort of

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Speaker 1: slow pedaled it and I got here.

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Speaker 2: Well, this team is slow pedaling right now. Speaking of

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Speaker 2: slow pedaling.

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Speaker 1: How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing good. Yeah, it's good to be seeing. We're

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Speaker 2: at the grove here.

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Speaker 1: We are at the grove.

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Speaker 2: Is this considered London or is this considered not London?

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Speaker 1: If this is considered Watford. Okay, so we're on the

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Speaker 1: We're about an hour and ten minute Uber ride to

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Speaker 1: your hotel down.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm staying in downtown London.

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Speaker 1: You'll be staying at the door Chester, I imagine.

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Speaker 2: I no, no, I would be at the Hilton Pool,

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Speaker 2: which is which if you look at like Google, which

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Speaker 2: everybody does nowadays, and you look at the ratings, the

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Speaker 2: ratings of the hotel that I'm at is like three stars. Okay.

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Speaker 2: The hotel that Biseli's ats like five stars. And I'm

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Speaker 2: just kidding either the same.

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Speaker 1: Hotel and this place is a five star place.

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Speaker 2: It's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: It's on three hundred acres. It's beautiful of an old

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Speaker 1: English country estate. And I am told and I believe

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Speaker 1: this is absolutely true. There is a black oak tree

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Speaker 1: on the grounds that was presented by Captain Cook to

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Speaker 1: the Lord of the Manor when he returned from one

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Speaker 1: of his visits to the New World.

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Speaker 2: Talking about the Captain the captain, captain of the ship,

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Speaker 2: Captain Cook.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that was planted here on the grounds, and

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Speaker 1: I believe it's still back that way somewhile.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty amazing. There's a lot of houstory here, so

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Speaker 2: the whole grounds thing here is amazing. It reminds me

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Speaker 2: a lot of Virginia, you know, the broken rolling hills

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Speaker 2: farm ground kind of thing. But I got a question

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Speaker 2: for you, and and maybe somebody can help me out.

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Speaker 2: So I take an uber out here today, me and

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Speaker 2: Frank Frangie and Frank had some stuff to do out

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Speaker 2: here as well, so we rode in the car together.

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Speaker 2: We're walking in this hallway and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: up on this wall is like a projection, and there's

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Speaker 2: a naked guy in the garden, okay, walking around and

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Speaker 2: these jouring and I'm going, what the world is going on?

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Speaker 1: He should take a left hand turn and see if

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Speaker 1: it was a mirage.

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Speaker 2: Somebody helped me out. What's something with the with the

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Speaker 2: naked guy walking in the garden on a projector here

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Speaker 2: at the grove?

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Speaker 1: Listen. I don't know. And I've walked the garden not

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Speaker 1: looking for that guy, but I've walked the garden a

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Speaker 1: lot this week and it's I haven't seen it. I've

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Speaker 1: seen it projected here.

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Speaker 2: I've just tried to understand what the whole purpose of

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Speaker 2: that was. Anyway, just it's eccentric. Sometimes when your team

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Speaker 2: is one in five, you gotta have a little multiculvity, right.

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Speaker 1: I have walked there's it's a three hundred acre property

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Speaker 1: and they've got about a four and a half mile

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Speaker 1: loop through the Whippindale wood. Is that what it's called

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Speaker 1: the Whippindale wood? Whipping whippin'dell would? Yeah. Anyway, it's a

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Speaker 1: beautiful piece of property. The jaguars like to stay here

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Speaker 1: because it's a short walk across the parking lot to

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Speaker 1: a field where they practice. They've got great facilities for

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Speaker 1: them put up here. Yeah, and the food is outstanding.

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Speaker 1: Saturday night was Tomahawk Night, Tomahawk Ribbi, Tomahawk Ribbi night.

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Speaker 2: It was wine. Did they stay that they didn't? Did

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Speaker 2: you bring your own? I did not.

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Speaker 1: I was told that was not permitted. So I enjoyed.

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Speaker 2: I would have one.

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed the meat, and we'll hopefully get out to

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Speaker 1: London before the week is out and enjoy some of the.

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Speaker 2: One it's still there, and it's still the same, very

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Speaker 2: busy and a lot of people, I will tell you

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Speaker 2: a lot of people. Yeah yeah, but it's I'm ready

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Speaker 2: to be home, all right, I'm ready to be home.

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Speaker 2: But I'm hoping that this football team can find a

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Speaker 2: way to get a win before they return.

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Speaker 1: All right. When they return, by the way, they'll face

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Speaker 1: the Packers. That is a week from Sunday on ten

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Speaker 1: twenty seven. It does. It starts a tough stretch with

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Speaker 1: the Packers, the Eagles, and the Vikings. That's the crucial

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Speaker 1: catch game, by the way, And you can get your

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Speaker 1: tickets at Jaguars dot com, slash tickets or dialing up

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Speaker 1: nine oh four six three three two thousand. But before

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Speaker 1: we get there, the Jaguars have a chance to win

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Speaker 1: on Sunday against the new England Patriots team that is

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Speaker 1: rebuilding with a rookie quarterback that's lost five consecutive games.

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Speaker 1: Said to rather prizing opening day win in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: Beat Cincinnati, I mean, and they won scoring sixteen points. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's not exactly Joe Burrow's best day. Right now.

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Speaker 1: They get some problems in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: Too, yes, But you know, here's the reality, the New

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Speaker 2: England Patriots are coming over here to London feeling confident

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Speaker 2: that they can get a win. I mean, that's where

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Speaker 2: the Jaguars are at right now. I mean, look, this

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Speaker 2: Jaguars football team.

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Speaker 1: It don't scare anybody.

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Speaker 2: One of the worst teams in football, Okay, Carolina Panthers,

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Speaker 2: Jacksonville Jaguars, Cleveland Browns, New England Patriots, and who am

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Speaker 2: I missing? There's one other team somewhere in there.

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Speaker 1: With me in the misery that we've been and I've

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Speaker 1: just been focused on this team.

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Speaker 2: And you know because and the reason I say that

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Speaker 2: is that when when you're playing and you're trying to

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Speaker 2: get out of a hole, you have to be able

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Speaker 2: to be real and you have to accept where you

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Speaker 2: are so you know how to get where you want

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Speaker 2: to go.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you, is this a bad team or

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Speaker 1: is this a team playing badly?

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Speaker 2: I think it's bothy, I mean, because I mean the

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Speaker 2: reality is you are who you are, and you are

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Speaker 2: who your what your record says you are, and right now,

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Speaker 2: that's what they are. Do they have the talent to

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Speaker 2: be better than this? Absolutely? Do they have the talent

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Speaker 2: to be undefeated?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: I don't think so could they be.

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Speaker 1: Three and three. Yeah, you could just be one of those.

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Speaker 1: You could just be like the Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: If they're a little bit more mentally tough. And to

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Speaker 2: use Trevor's term, what did he use?

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Speaker 1: He said, We've got to stop hi fragile.

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Speaker 2: We're fragile. Well, if you're a little bit more mentally tough,

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Speaker 2: then maybe you can win that game in Miami when

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Speaker 2: you turn the ball over, Hey, no big deal, sudden change,

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Speaker 2: let's go, we'll get it back. Didn't do that. Maybe

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Speaker 2: a little bit mentally tougher as far as winning the

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Speaker 2: game against uh, the Buffalo Bills and get excited for

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Speaker 2: a Monday night football game, and they didn't do that.

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Speaker 2: Didn't he really show up in that ball game? You know,

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Speaker 2: it's just disappointing that this team is where it is.

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Speaker 2: And the reality is until you start playing better across

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Speaker 2: the board, you're not gonna win. Because right now, this

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Speaker 2: defense is one of the worst defenses in football period.

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Speaker 2: I mean, one of the worst defenses in football offensively,

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Speaker 2: if you look at it from a point standpoint, I mean,

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Speaker 2: right now in the National Football League, you're twenty second points,

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Speaker 2: I mean, and that's with a first overall pick quarterback

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Speaker 2: wide receivers. I mean, look, you gotta be scoring more

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Speaker 2: points than that, you know. So they are where they are.

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Speaker 2: But again, the New England Patriots are coming into this

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Speaker 2: game this week and they're feeling really good about where

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Speaker 2: they are. Look, we've got a young quarterback who led

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Speaker 2: us to our best points total of the year, was tough,

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Speaker 2: stood in the pocket with a beat up offense of line,

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Speaker 2: and so I think that gives them confidence coming over here,

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Speaker 2: is that they're facing a team they believe that they

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Speaker 2: can beat. And then also they had a performance against Houston.

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Speaker 2: Although the game got away early, they battled back in

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Speaker 2: that ball game.

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Speaker 1: Right, So take me back to the mentally tough thing.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever been on a team that you think

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately? Yes. I mean when I was in New York.

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Speaker 2: When I was in New York, I was with a

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Speaker 2: couple of football teams that we just weren't mentally tough.

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Speaker 2: I mean we just couldn't We couldn't handle anything bad

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Speaker 2: Part of that also is that we really didn't have

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Speaker 2: a lot of talent up there. But this team here

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Speaker 2: in Jacksonville is not supremely talented, but they have enough talent,

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Speaker 2: especially offensively, to bounce back. For example, you know this

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Speaker 2: pass game, you get an interception by Cisco Okay offense,

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Speaker 2: You've got enough talent build on that momentum in the

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Speaker 2: think they end up going three and out on the

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Speaker 2: following drive. I mean, that's that you can't do that,

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Speaker 2: especially when that side of the ball has the amount

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Speaker 2: to be a really good football team.

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Speaker 1: And then the defense turned around and did it to

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Speaker 1: them in the third quarter. Trevor hit the touchdown pass

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Speaker 1: to make it twenty one to ten, and the defense

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Speaker 1: Josh and Trayvon Walker.

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Speaker 2: Would you call that complimentary bad football? I would call

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Speaker 2: it it's good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's kind of what it is, right. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the unit didn't respond to something positive by the other.

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Speaker 1: First and third down, you get sacks and you give

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Speaker 2: Where you want to be. But that's where this football

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Speaker 2: team is right now. And Ryan Nielsen's look, I mean,

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Speaker 2: he was brought in to improve a defense and right

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Speaker 2: now hadn't done it.

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Speaker 1: So did the Jets team ever switch around? Did it?

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Speaker 1: Did the mental switch ever kick in? And no? Okay?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: So then that's why I ended up at Jackson.

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Speaker 1: So the only team that I can tell you, I'm

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Speaker 1: hearing something, guys, I don't know, maybe you can help

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Speaker 1: me with it. I'm hearing some conversation in the background.

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Speaker 1: So my point is the ninety six team, were you,

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Speaker 2: Ninety five and ninety six. I think we were tough.

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Speaker 2: We never had that mentality to war in ninety six

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Speaker 2: We were learning, we were learning how to be a

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: You say, what can you do well?

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Speaker 2: And that's that's where you know, leadership matters, you know,

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Speaker 1: So we've reached that point where you don't just want

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Speaker 2: It needs to be measured. We're past that, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I totally see what you're saying, and and can give

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Speaker 2: Because if you don't do that, then where's the accountability

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Speaker 1: Do they have the ability to do that this week?

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Speaker 2: So if Tyson comes back, I think the obvious move

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Speaker 2: And then you're gonna rotate maybe Darby a little bit

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Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. It's not the same as

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Speaker 1: So that accountability leads to mental toughness because guys have

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Speaker 2: Say, determine. Am I going to be better? Okay? Am

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Speaker 1: Don't you think Ventrol Miller should be on the field

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Speaker 2: Well, he's gonna know, he has some breakdowns too, He's

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Speaker 2: but in coverage there are moments that you know, you go,

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Speaker 1: There is there time.

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Speaker 1: If Doug pull some of those moves right, if he

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Speaker 2: But is it gonna happen fast enough for this team

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Speaker 1: You're gonna meet expectations.

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Speaker 2: The expectations were high, really high, okay.

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Speaker 2: But in reality, in my I'm not saying that to

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Speaker 1: You know, I thought I had a manageable expectation of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it may not be enough. All right, it may

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it would be something that you could build

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Speaker 2: They need something. Do you remember when they were rating

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Speaker 1: That, all right. So the way it is, when we

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Speaker 1: bit about the week that's been at the Grove outside London,

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Speaker 1: some of the buzzwords we're hearing news about Roy Robertson, Harris,

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Speaker 1: from the grove here on Jaguars Happy Hour. Some buzzwords

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Speaker 1: this week, guys talking about focus and accountability. It's talk

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Speaker 1: no nonsense, exacting, demanding you know what, I don't have

438
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Speaker 1: to tell you anything about it. Doug's answer was revealing

439
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 1: because he said that day I was coached that way, right,

440
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 1: I mean Shula and Holmgren and read that was the

441
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Speaker 1: way that he came up in the game. But he

442
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 1: didn't think that with the modern athlete, that you could

443
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Speaker 1: go after guys and front of their peers in the

444
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 1: meeting room and hold them accountable the way that that

445
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 1: Doug and guys of your era were held accountable. But

446
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Speaker 1: I heard he did some of that on Monday. I

447
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 1: heard he was I don't want to use the word aggressive,

448
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Speaker 1: but he was very assertive and held guys accountable.

449
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Speaker 2: Well, and I think there's an art to doing that.

450
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 2: You know, Coffin wasn't very good at the art form

451
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 2: of it. He was, you know, he was very direct

452
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 2: and playing. But you know, then there's other coaches, which,

453
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Speaker 2: trust me, folks, Tom Kaufin what the greatest coaches of

454
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Speaker 2: all time. Okay, I'm not meeting him in any way whatsoever.

455
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Speaker 2: But I think there's also others that do it in

456
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 2: a different way, but they accomplished the same thing. Like Parcells,

457
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 2: who was an old school guy. He had a masterful

458
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Speaker 2: way of holding guys accountable in that fashion just because

459
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 2: he had a little bit better tongue, so to speak,

460
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, He was a little bit

461
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Speaker 2: more gifted at the gap. You know, Tom wasn't extremely

462
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Speaker 2: gifted at the gap, whereas Parcels had a gift of gas.

463
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Speaker 1: He had a very sharp win.

464
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Speaker 2: He was charming but then very sharp in a lot

465
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Speaker 2: of ways.

466
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Speaker 1: How Pete Carroll do it.

467
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Speaker 2: Pete was very different. Pete was never Pete would hold

468
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Speaker 2: guys accountable, but in a positive, cheery sense. It was

469
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Speaker 2: kind of weird, you know, But you know, I think

470
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Speaker 2: also Pete grew into that and that Pete when he

471
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 2: left the NFL went to FC, I think he learned

472
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Speaker 2: a lot about what the modern day NFL coach needs

473
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Speaker 2: to be and and also where accountability needs to be at.

474
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 2: I think he really grew in that aspect. But yeah,

475
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Speaker 2: I mean it's if Doug did that on Monday, that's great,

476
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 2: you know. And you talk about buzzwords, I mean, there's

477
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 2: two buzzwords that came out of this past game that

478
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 2: that made me concerned and that you better get a

479
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 2: handle on this number One was quit from Andre Cisco.

480
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 2: The other word was culture from Doug himself. And when

481
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 2: I heard that those words were used postgame, I went

482
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 2: so alarms were going off, right, because when you hear

483
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 2: those two words, you wonder, now, where is this team at,

484
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 2: where is it psyche at? Where's the leadership at? And

485
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 2: and Doug was right in this week and that look,

486
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 2: he needs to start making sure that guys are held accountable.

487
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 2: And you know, it is what it is, and you know,

488
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 2: hopefully they can get this thing kind of turned around

489
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Speaker 2: a little bit. But when I heard when I heard

490
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: those two words, I was like, oh, no, quit, culture,

491
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 2: Now where is this team gonna go from here? Because

492
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 2: it's pretty low.

493
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Speaker 1: You know, can you connect? The one in five finished

494
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Speaker 1: the last season to the one and five beginning to

495
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 1: this season, yes, you see it contiguously. In other words,

496
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Speaker 1: twelve games, two wins, and.

497
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Speaker 2: Look, I get that. You know at the beginning of

498
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Speaker 2: the year, when Doug Peterson was at about that and that,

499
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 2: he said, look, it's a different year as a new team. Yeah,

500
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,959
Speaker 2: but you know, yeah, but there's a lot of players

501
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 2: that are on this team from last year. And yes,

502
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 2: you're trying to get things going again, and but a

503
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 2: lot of the same guys.

504
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Speaker 1: I mean, they brought in Eric Armstead and gave David that.

505
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Speaker 2: They haven't had the impact that they really haven't had

506
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: the impact from a performance standpoint for this football team,

507
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: with the exception of Mitch Morse, who's made this offensive

508
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 2: line a little bit better.

509
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Speaker 1: But when they when they signed him, one of the

510
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Speaker 1: things that Doug went out of his way to say

511
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: was that they were bringing in guys who had been

512
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Speaker 1: there and done that, right, who had played at a

513
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 1: high level Pro Bowls play.

514
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Speaker 2: But that doesn't matter. And let me let me sell

515
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 2: you this, Brian, and not to jump on you a

516
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 2: little bit there, but it doesn't matter what players did.

517
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 2: It matters what they do now. And Okay, so if

518
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 2: the player comes in and he's performing well, then there's

519
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 2: a lead aspect of it. If the player comes in

520
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: and is not performing well, there is no leadership because

521
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: the players, the guys are looking at that guy going

522
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 2: he's dropping balls or you know, he's getting play time

523
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 2: and he's not getting any productivity. And so then then

524
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 2: the players close their ears to those guys. In the NFL,

525
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 2: it's it's a fact. If you don't have production, then

526
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Speaker 2: you cannot lead. Okay, write it down. It's going to

527
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 2: be true forever in the National Football League. If you

528
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: don't have production, you cannot lead.

529
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Speaker 1: Does Trevor Lawrence have enough production to be able to

530
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Speaker 1: lead this team?

531
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Speaker 2: He does because of the position and because at moments

532
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Speaker 2: he performs at a very high level.

533
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Speaker 1: Okay, but not enough, not enough.

534
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Speaker 2: He's got to be better in his performance so that

535
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Speaker 2: then he can lead.

536
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: So who in this locker room today, based on your valuation,

537
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: Jeff can lead well.

538
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 2: And that's the hard part. You look at the guys

539
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: that are performing well, and how many guys are performing

540
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: well for this football team. Mitch Morris is performing well.

541
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 2: If he stands up and so something, guys are going

542
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 2: to listen. You know, Cam Robinson along the offensive line,

543
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 2: who has been kind of that energetic leader in the past.

544
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 2: For this offensive line performance has just been it's been

545
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 2: better lately but kind of okay, But not where you

546
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 2: want to see him hit a top night in Buffalo.

547
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 2: I want to see him finish, you know. And that's

548
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 2: one of the things that he can do. It doesn't

549
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 2: matter about talent, but that the level of finish is

550
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 2: an effort thing and just a decision that's consciously made,

551
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 2: you know, Christian Kirk, you know, I mean, look, he

552
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 2: didn't start the year out particularly great, right, Evan Ingram

553
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 2: got hurt early on, etn been kind of lead.

554
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: Based on what he did on Sunday back on the turf.

555
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: It kind of takes it a little away, a little bit,

556
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 2: you know, because that's like the ultimate mistake you can

557
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: make as a players, to turn the ball over, you know. So,

558
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: I mean that's the hard part. And so when you're

559
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: not playing well and your players aren't performing well, then

560
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: the coaches need to lead even more.

561
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: How about the defensive side, which players Wait, wait real quick,

562
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: you've been talking a lot off the air about Brenton

563
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: Strange can lead or is he too young?

564
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: No, I think he can lead because Brenton Strange has

565
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: been dependable, I mean, playing and play out. But the

566
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 2: problem is is that his role isn't big enough to

567
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: where he can be a front of the room guy.

568
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: People who are listening might not be surprised. Why why

569
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: would you bring up Breton Strange? You love it, he's

570
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: playing his preer end off. I want to make sure

571
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: I make a mistake there, you know. I mean he's

572
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: playing really hard and he's finishing really well. And you know,

573
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: every every week, you know, I do a when I

574
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: do my film study, and it's right back there with

575
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: my little notepad, and yeah, you grab that notepad because

576
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to show people something. So every week when

577
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: I study film, you know, I make notes on plays

578
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: good or bad. And so this is my list and

579
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: you'll probably try to focus in on, you know, by

580
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: pausing and all that kind of stuff. But there's good

581
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: plays in the there's bad plays, Okay, Then off to

582
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: the side over here. Okay, these are the bad place

583
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: the ones that were very costly for this football team.

584
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: And that's that's quite a bit. Okay, But there's even

585
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: more bad plays that are in here. This section right

586
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: here is Brenton Strange plays that are just like, holy

587
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: how this guy can play ball and finishes and he's

588
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: nasty and he's tough and he then he's playing winning football.

589
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: There's not any other player that has his own section

590
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: on my notepath. Okay, and Brent then that's a problem.

591
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: There's one guy that has his own section, and you

592
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: can you know, I'd like to have like five guys

593
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: right here, you know, like Brenton Strange and Trevor Lawrence

594
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,479
Speaker 1: Wild plays right there. Oh, here's Christian Kirks Wild plays.

595
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: Here's Josh Heinz Allen great plays. I mean, that's that's

596
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: what you're looking for before we go to break. Who

597
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: can lead on defense.

598
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: Josh Heines Allen Ken. But you know Josh to raise

599
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 2: his level of play too, you know, I mean he's

600
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: you know, got dinged up a couple of games ago,

601
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: you know, had the concussion Pro protocol and then he

602
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: was wearing the Guardian cat the next game. This past game,

603
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: he didn't have it on. Impact wasn't felt in great fashion.

604
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: And I can tell you this this week, his impact

605
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: had better be felt, better be felt. The New England

606
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: Patriots offensive tackles. What if they missing if they're missing

607
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: low their left tackle.

608
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not very good. Brian Trayvon Walker was miked up.

609
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: I heard some of it this week. You can catch

610
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: it on Jaguars social media channels.

611
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: Can he lead, yeah, I mean he can lead.

612
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: He was talking a lot, but he's trying to keep

613
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: guys moving.

614
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: He's and and that's a good thing. And I like Trayvon.

615
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: He's been playing better now. He had a little bit

616
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: of a couple of games where he's pretty quiet, but

617
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: this pass game he played well. Game four that he

618
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: played well. So that's what you want to see. Now,

619
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: that's you know, when you want to be an elite player.

620
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: It's not a sometime thing. It's an all the time thing.

621
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: And Trayvon's getting better, but he's not there yet.

622
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: All right, This is Jaguars Happy. I were on ten

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Speaker 1: ten XL and ninety two point five FM. We'll take

624
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: a break and return. Much more to come from the

625
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: Grove outside London as the Jaguars are getting ready to

626
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: take on the New England Patriots on Sunday at Wembley Stadium.

627
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Speaker 1: and I don't know if you just get enough of

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Speaker 1: a fuel for this library here at the grove. And

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Speaker 1: when I say Phil, I mean I don't know if

637
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Speaker 1: you can see on the camera the wallpaper.

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00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 3: Yes JP posted a photo of John oser In here

639
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Speaker 3: in his element yesterday writing up a storm in the

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Speaker 3: little corner of the library, and it's very very fitting

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Speaker 3: for John.

642
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: Like we're like in a live board game of Clue, right,

643
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: I'm kind of getting a Camo feel to this.

644
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: I like it, of course, Jo.

645
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: Does it not have a little I mean came.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it shows, but the curtains are

647
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 3: the exact same fabric as the wallpaper, so it very

648
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: much blends together.

649
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: They're kind of of a Monet and then you've got

650
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: sort of the Picasso on the pillows and hanging on

651
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: the walls.

652
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: I don't know about money or any of that. But

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00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm thinking mossy oak and real tree on

654
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: this camera. That's what I'm thinking.

655
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Speaker 1: Listen. You always just keep it real, big boy, You

656
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: just keep it really well.

657
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: You know. I do kind of get the sense that

658
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: we should have like a pipe and be smoking.

659
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: I got my teacup and saucer out the other day.

660
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: I had a teacup with a saucer, talk about whether.

661
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: Where's the crazy thing we actually all around us? This

662
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: is no joke.

663
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 3: It's prepped for tea. We have the sugar cubes.

664
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: There's literally sugar cubes on every table in the room.

665
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: Somebody tell me why for tea time?

666
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: They have tea time in here is tea time?

667
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: All like twenty four to seven?

668
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 3: Did do it every day.

669
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: I think if you'd like it, we could make a

670
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven.

671
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: Now. I might need a little energy boost to finish

672
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: the show out here. You know, we got Doug Peterson,

673
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: Iro and everything. I might have to start eating so

674
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: many sugar cubes here.

675
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: At some point before the show's over.

676
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: We're going to side like a spider monkey.

677
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: It was mister Green who committed the murder with a

678
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: rope in the conservatory or whether it was Missus Peacock

679
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: with Colonel Mustard.

680
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 3: It's always Colonel Mustard in the library.

681
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: We'll see did you play that game? Oh? Did you play?

682
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: Yes?

683
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: Did love that game? Yeah?

684
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: We still played it, Chris, I didn't play that game really?

685
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: I mean once about jumps out in the woods doing stuff.

686
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: I think I was outside.

687
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: No board games. You could do it live here in

688
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: the old man or at the grove. Uh. You guys

689
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: have all access coming up here in a couple of

690
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: hours hower of it. Who's joining you? Two guests?

691
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: I believe a couple of guys. Yes, my favorite player.

692
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 3: You have many favorite players coming.

693
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: Brent Strange.

694
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: Love him.

695
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: You love him because he loves to block.

696
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: I love him because he plays every play to the whistle.

697
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: He's a football player.

698
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: He is a football player.

699
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 3: We got another football player do he's going to be

700
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 3: with us as well?

701
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: So does that mean he's close to coming back?

702
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: If they come on the show, I'm sure we will

703
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 3: discuss that today. We know he's been working his way back.

704
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 3: When his original happened, original injury happened in training camp.

705
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 3: They eyed around this time, so obviously he's been working

706
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 3: his way towards that, and I'm sure we will be

707
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 3: very excited whenever he is available to play and help

708
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 3: out the secondary.

709
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: Since you bring up Dewey, we were going to talk

710
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: about changes in this block anyway, and what has to change,

711
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: Let's start there in the secondary. And it isn't all

712
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: going to happen this week obviously because to Shaan Gibson

713
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: isn't going to be able to play on Sunday. Yeh.

714
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: And by the way, just wanted to mention something real

715
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: quick if the league hasn't made any kind of determination

716
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: on to Sean Gibson as of now. Yeah, okay, that

717
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: which is Thursday, and it's not happening this week. A

718
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: lot of people like maybe thinking, oh, maybe it can

719
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: happen tomorrow.

720
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: No, it would have happened on Tuesday.

721
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 2: And here's the thing that I'm kind of wondering if

722
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,239
Speaker 2: it didn't happen now when he was eligible to come

723
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: off of it, what's going on.

724
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 3: Also, they let him travel for this trip that was

725
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 3: approved because normally when you're suspending, not supposed to be

726
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 3: with the team, but they approved his travel to come

727
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: out here to potentially play in this game. So you

728
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 3: have to wonder something snagged up.

729
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: In a mid to that and the approval happened quite

730
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: some time ago, I believe, right, you know, So I

731
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: don't know what's going to happen there, but you know,

732
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 2: we talk about the possible return of to Sean Gibson

733
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: off of that list, and then also the return of

734
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: Dewey Campbell, you know, Dewey, and I don't know if

735
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 2: he's going to be ready anytime soon or not. I mean,

736
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: we're gonna have to kind of wait and see. But

737
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: I will tell you the safety position is a spot

738
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: where if one of those two guys were available, they

739
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: would be probably put in the lineup in place of

740
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: who I think Antonio Johnson's struggling right now a little bit,

741
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, Cisco hadn't been playing particularly well

742
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: this past game. He had his probably best game of

743
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: the year, but prior to that, he had his moments too,

744
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: you know, in a new defense. I mean, look, I

745
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 2: get it, but it's not like the concept completely changed

746
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: from last year. Now, Antonio Johnson, some of the demands

747
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: and the expectations for him changed because last year when

748
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 2: he was playing, it was kind of in that nickel

749
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: role more than anything, and now they're asking him to

750
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: play safety, which you know he's having a tough time

751
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 2: right now.

752
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: Kai, what's your take on Cisco's comments last week about

753
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: guys quitting.

754
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 3: I don't know if I took it necessarily as he

755
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 3: thought everyone was quitting.

756
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: Obviously.

757
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: I took it more as the end of the game,

758
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 3: when things are out of hand, maybe people aren't playing

759
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 3: to the end of the whistle, is how I took it.

760
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 3: I don't think he was saying it in the sense

761
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 3: that he didn't do it. I think it felt like

762
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: a we need to not do that sort of situation.

763
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 3: And I think what was I at least understood of

764
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 3: it was it was emotion. And we'll talk about the

765
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 3: sun jag Zam. It's actually one of my topics I'm

766
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 3: bringing up is I would rather he care and is

767
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 3: noticing that and like, yes, I don't want complete infighting,

768
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 3: but it's the apathy. It's the people that are like, oh,

769
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 3: we'll figure it like that bothers me more than someone

770
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 3: getting upset and saying, hey, they were quitting. We need

771
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 3: to play to the whist, so we need to do

772
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 3: this sort of thing. I would rather have that than

773
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 3: someone that's just like, oh, well, we'll figure it out

774
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 3: because they care, and at the end of the day,

775
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 3: they care. Yes, it needs to be redirected in a

776
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: positive way, but I want someone that cares.

777
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, quit can be can mean a lot of things,

778
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: you know, quick can mean that, Okay, I've given up

779
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: on trying to win this ball game and I'm.

780
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: Not going to go take it. That's why I ticket.

781
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: And that's kind of how people took Cisco's comment. But

782
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 2: there are other quits, I mean, quits that I view

783
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 2: is not as bad. For example, I quit on this

784
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 2: play and I should have just continued to give great

785
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: effort until the end. And it's not that I just

786
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: felt like I that I wanted to quit on the plane.

787
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: I don't think we can win. It's just I didn't

788
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: think I could make that play. Well, you know, if

789
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: I'll give you a perfect example, you go to the

790
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 2: early part of the ballgame. Anton Harrison, a right tackle,

791
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: quits on a block and his guy ends up smashing

792
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: and running back. Well, don't quit on the block, keep

793
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 2: blocking to the whistle. Well, he's not quitting on the game,

794
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 2: and he's not quitting on his team. He just quit

795
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 2: too early on the play. As far as effort goes,

796
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: So there's different definitions. And and you know, the one

797
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: thing about if you say something like that, you better

798
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: be man enough and strong enough to walk into that

799
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: locker room and own it, and also to back it up,

800
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: because if you don't, then you're gonna have a tough

801
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: time in that locker room as a player.

802
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 1: I saw him this week. You didn't have a black

803
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: eye or bloody nose, so obviously he's tough enough to

804
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: be able to handle that.

805
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: And sometimes when when when a guy says something like

806
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: something like that, I'm okay with it, you know, just

807
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 2: because you know what, the status quo ain't working, you know,

808
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: and if it just if it gets everybody riled up

809
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 2: a little bit and gets everybody to pay attention, good,

810
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 2: let it, let it, let it happen. You know, it's

811
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 2: all good. What else has to change the performance of

812
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: everybody's got to get better? Here here, here, And I'll

813
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 2: give you a perfect example. Here's some things that are

814
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 2: very easily controllable. Okay, off of my list. Okay, here

815
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: we go again. On Okay, and I got some here.

816
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: Just real quick fall start fall start drop false start

817
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: personal PI call okay, P I call another drop, another drop,

818
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: another drop. Those are easy, easily fixed things. Okay, awareness

819
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: on finishing play and toon Harrison. Okay, going back to

820
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 2: play number fourteen and the and the all plays real, Okay,

821
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 2: finish the play. Maybe it gets another three yards. Well

822
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 2: maybe he doesn't make a difference on that play, but

823
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 2: the next down, in the next down makes it more manageable,

824
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: so it makes a difference. I mean, all of these

825
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: things that are controllable, make them better. That's easily fixable things. Now,

826
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: can you fix where the guy gets the ball punched out?

827
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: Sure you can. There's another awareness thing. Two hands on

828
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 2: the ball, right, have an ingram going down to the ground.

829
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: He's got one arm on it. Should have covered it

830
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: up with two. No one he's going down to the ground.

831
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: Didn't do it. I mean, that's an awareness thing. That's

832
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: an easily fixable thing. Fix the things that are easily fixable.

833
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: If you get beat. Okay, if Kay's a faster than

834
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: me and she runs by me and catches a touchdown

835
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: pass that happens, you know. I mean that's part of football.

836
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: Who fixes it?

837
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 2: The players and the coaches. Okay, players first player, player, Well,

838
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 2: I think both. I mean I put them all in

839
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: the same boat. Put them all in the same boat,

840
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: because you know what, as coaches, you know, how many

841
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: takeaways does our defense have. This defense in the past

842
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 2: did a really good job with takeaways, okay, and er

843
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: Mike Cole last year they were in great shaper. And

844
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: one of the big reasons why is I believe that

845
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,959
Speaker 2: the coaches, the coaches that they had, did a really

846
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 2: good job of coaching the awareness of takeaways. Okay, So

847
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: there's an example of look, you know, do a better

848
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 2: job of coaching the awareness of takeaways to this defense

849
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: right here, because right now they're not doing a good

850
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: enough job and the takeaways that they have or are

851
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: not good enough for this team to win.

852
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: It's funny because when you talk to Ryan Nielsen and

853
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: he's they talk about how it's a focus about how

854
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: they work on it every day.

855
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 3: I don't know if it is as much as it

856
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 3: was last year. Last year it was I want to say,

857
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 3: their sole focused was takeaways, and I remember I felt

858
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 3: like the back half of the season the secondary had

859
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 3: issues probably that whole season as well, But if you

860
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 3: can get turnovers, it's less of a burden. And I

861
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 3: feel like because it just feels like that. Some of

862
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 3: the other teams we play, they march down the field,

863
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 3: and when you're not getting a turnover at any point

864
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 3: you're on the field that entire time, they're getting tired.

865
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 3: You can't sustain that for the entirety of a football game.

866
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 3: So by the nature of getting able to get turnovers,

867
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,479
Speaker 3: that's what helped them before. And I don't know, because

868
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 3: you can't fully change personnel at this point in the season,

869
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 3: that's what's really beneficial for them.

870
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Speaker 1: I heard from from members of the Bears media, from

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00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: Chicago media that they are maniacal about the takeaways. And

872
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: you can see the results stripping the ball, you can tell.

873
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: But why isn't every defensive coordinator in the league then

874
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: maniacal about the takeaways? If that's the number one an

875
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: indicator over the course of a season, that that take

876
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: away giveaway racio.

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Speaker 2: It's a matter of how much it's talked about, and

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00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: it just it's gotta be talked about in a greater fashion,

879
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: with a greater emphasis and a more common amount of time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, after points allowed, the next one on the

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Speaker 1: list is takeaways.

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Speaker 2: And they're dead last, I think in takeaways, aren't they dead?

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Speaker 2: Last right now, national go.

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Speaker 1: Back and look special teams, so yeah, they can't be

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Speaker 1: much above.

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Speaker 2: Twenty ninth twenty ninth and takeaways. But as the defense,

887
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Speaker 2: I don't know because I mean they don't separate special

888
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: teams from so we got the extra one defensive.

889
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Speaker 1: Yeah right, so jacks all actions the one hour editions

890
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Speaker 1: a full hour from here, the lives are.

891
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Speaker 3: I might bring some tea for Jeff.

892
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: I'll drink tea. I mean, just put some of that

893
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: sugar in there.

894
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: I'll be all throw some dirt the mossy oak that

895
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: you'll see out there.

896
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Speaker 2: Are we doing the show or in the same room?

897
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Speaker 3: I think we'll be here maybe?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: Cool, get the vibes. I gotta wear my smoking jack

900
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: for that.

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Speaker 1: Yo velvet, the crushed velvet camo jacket.

902
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let you bring out your texts time. Brad Bradmester,

903
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Speaker 2: That's what it was. He had a cameo sport cut,

904
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: which is like he was like my hero.

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Speaker 1: Listen. Yeah, and he had the truck on the big

906
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Speaker 1: wheels with the cbe radio.

907
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 2: Total redneck.

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Speaker 1: God love him with six daughters. Uh, they couldn't refine.

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Speaker 2: Him, no, b Brad Brad is great, all right, we'll take.

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Speaker 1: The break, come back, one final segment of Jaguars Happy Hour,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll lead you right into the Doug Peterson Show.

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Speaker 1: This is ten ten XL and ninety two point five FM.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Happy Hour on Jaguars Radio. All right,

914
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Speaker 1: one final segment here on Jaguars Happy Hour on ten

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Speaker 1: ten XL and ninety two point five FM before we

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Speaker 1: transition into the Doug Paterson Show. Time for an injury

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Speaker 1: report presented by Baptist Health, changing Healthcare for Good. And

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Speaker 1: we're going to yesterday's report because the boys were quite

919
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: off the practice field yet all these guys were listed

920
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: as limited. Eric Armstead, who has been limited with a

921
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Speaker 1: knee injury all year all year long, gave Davis with

922
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Speaker 1: the shoulder stands out Evan Ingram. Obviously there they're cognitive

923
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Speaker 1: that hamstring traves ETN is a hamstring and Tyson Campbell,

924
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Speaker 1: who's working his way hamstring.

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Speaker 2: That's going to be that's going to be the interesting one.

926
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Speaker 2: There is Tyson Campbell. You know, let's go back last

927
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Speaker 2: year he had a hamstring other one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, cost him five games.

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Speaker 2: And I talked to Tyson before the Bears game. A

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00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: little bit about it and how how was he feeling

931
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Speaker 2: and all of that, and he felt really positive about it.

932
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Speaker 2: He said it was a little different injury, and I'm

933
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Speaker 2: not going to go into specifics because you know, you

934
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Speaker 2: don't want to do that, but he said it was

935
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Speaker 2: a little different from his other one last year. But

936
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Speaker 2: even if it's a little bit different, the concern there

937
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Speaker 2: is last year when he came back after the one

938
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Speaker 2: last year, he wasn't the same player. And at one

939
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Speaker 2: point he actually kind of got demoted again and put

940
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Speaker 2: as an inactive player. I believe it was for a game,

941
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Speaker 2: and then was brought back again a little bit later.

942
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Speaker 2: You know, So where's he going to be at? You know,

943
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Speaker 2: I mean you'd like to as soon while we get

944
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Speaker 2: him back and he's back one hundred percent, Well maybe

945
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Speaker 2: he's not.

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Speaker 1: Listen. You, more than anybody can speak to the mental

947
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Speaker 1: side of an injury, right about You talked at length

948
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Speaker 1: through the years about your knee and coming back from

949
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: ACL and how long it took you to get comfortable.

950
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Speaker 1: But it's the same thing with a hamstring, right, maybe

951
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: even more so because those are much easier to injure

952
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: than an ACL.

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Speaker 2: Oh and do you trust it, you know, I mean,

954
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Speaker 2: are you trusting it to open it up? And here's

955
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Speaker 2: the here's one part with a hamstring, And and again

956
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Speaker 2: I didn't have a really many pulled muscles except for

957
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Speaker 2: a growing when I played. I didn't have a hamstring

958
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Speaker 2: until I'm was old and way out of the game.

959
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Speaker 2: But with a hamstring and other injuries, when you're working

960
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Speaker 2: your way back, you're still not playing a game. So

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Speaker 2: in other words, what you're repping in practice and what

962
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Speaker 2: you're repping with the trainers is it's not as sudden

963
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Speaker 2: and as reactive as it is in a game, and

964
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Speaker 2: you're not put in some of these precarious body positions

965
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Speaker 2: that you are in a game.

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Speaker 1: Which is why guys with hamstrings and coaches in particular,

967
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Speaker 1: are really particular about when.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so you got to make sure that it's back.

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Speaker 2: And look, he's been given a lot of time to

970
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Speaker 2: come back, But you know, until you see it, and

971
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Speaker 2: until you know, you don't know. So you know, fingers

972
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Speaker 2: crossed that he's going to be the same player that

973
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Speaker 2: he was prior to the injury, But you know, injury

974
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Speaker 2: has a way of determining that.

975
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Speaker 1: I don't know that we've talked enough about the quarterback.

976
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Speaker 1: What is your magic play sheet there? Tell you about

977
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: how the quarterback played in a game in which the

978
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Speaker 1: Jaguars scored sixteen points and didn't play very well at all.

979
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: But what does he tell you about his chances of

980
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Speaker 1: playing better this week?

981
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: Well, I liked, I liked, I thought he played okay

982
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 2: this past game. But the reality is you still had

983
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: the interception which should not have been thrown, and then

984
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Speaker 2: you had the underthrown ball to Brian Thomas Junior. When

985
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Speaker 2: you when you get opportunities like that and you've got

986
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Speaker 2: that much separation, separation, you can't miss that, you can't

987
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Speaker 2: And as a quarterback, and if you're gonna be the franchise, god,

988
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Speaker 2: gotta make them. I mean, playing and simple. You have

989
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Speaker 2: to make those throws because when you don't, it'd be different. Brian.

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Speaker 2: If it was okay, Brian Thomas Junior only had a

991
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Speaker 2: half a step and the defender were touching the arm

992
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Speaker 2: as Brian's catching it, and maybe the ball was just

993
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit out of location.

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Speaker 1: You hit the back of the defender it was two

995
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Speaker 1: steps off.

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00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 2: That's fine, But when Brian's got five steps on a

997
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: guy and you vastly underthrow it to where the defender

998
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Speaker 2: can come up in there and then have a PBu

999
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Speaker 2: pass breakup. That's not okay.

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Speaker 1: Why does he do that?

1001
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't does he not trust? I think

1002
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Speaker 2: part of it is is the confidence, and the more

1003
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Speaker 2: you have success, the more confidence that you have, the

1004
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: more you just unleash it. You just just let it

1005
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Speaker 2: rip instead of thinking about it.

1006
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Speaker 1: Do you remember in twenty twenty one, which was just

1007
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: an absolute train wreck of a season, you think, yeah, try,

1008
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Speaker 1: I was starting to think of.

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Speaker 2: This, by the way. I was just wondering, did you

1010
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: have an urban moment there when you were trying to

1011
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: pronounce Roy Robertson Harris's name?

1012
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: But I always got Harrison, which right, Roy Robertson Harrison.

1013
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: It's just a natural extension Robinson Harris. I have to

1014
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: remind myself that I don't have to worry about it anymore.

1015
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Speaker 1: He would come in to his news conferences after games

1016
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Speaker 1: and on Wednesday, and he was supremely confident. He said,

1017
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Speaker 1: I know the kind of player I am, I know

1018
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Speaker 1: what my abilities are, and I know what I can do.

1019
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: And back then it was easy to believe that because

1020
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Speaker 1: our memory of him was all the years at Clemson

1021
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: and he had always done it. Do you suppose that

1022
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: he still has that level of confidence or have some

1023
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Speaker 1: ups and downs this season maybe edged a little that out.

1024
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Speaker 2: No, I think it has. I mean, look, this team

1025
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: is there's two and ten and it's last twelve games

1026
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: and he's a big part of that. And you know,

1027
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Speaker 2: human nature is is that if you don't have success,

1028
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Speaker 2: then you start to have confidence issues. That's just part

1029
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Speaker 2: of human nature. I believe that he's still a confident

1030
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Speaker 2: player to some extent, but not a supremely confident I

1031
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: can win it, give me the ball mentality yet and

1032
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Speaker 2: that takes time to do it, and also takes a

1033
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: football team around him that in a coach that that's

1034
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: helping all of that, And right now that's not happening.

1035
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Speaker 2: What would you take this has been? It's why that's

1036
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Speaker 2: why this is the I'm calling this the unhappy hour.

1037
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Speaker 1: I've heard you say that, and I thought it was

1038
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: because I'm a most exciting not because he No, No,

1039
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: but listen, if Trevor walked in here and said, hey,

1040
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 1: you know, where's missus Green? Is the rope around here? Anywhere?

1041
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: If Trevor walked in here right now, and sat down

1042
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: on that couch. What would you tell them?

1043
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: I would ask him where's confidence is at? You know,

1044
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 2: where's your confidence at? How can you raise the level

1045
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 2: of play of those guys around you? What is it

1046
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: like in the huddle with your offensive lineman? What do

1047
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 2: you do with them away from practice in the building,

1048
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: because you know that's a big part of football too,

1049
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 2: you know, and I know that there's a lot that

1050
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Speaker 2: has been written and Trevor's talked a lot about the

1051
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: relationship that he has with Christian Kirk kind of away

1052
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Speaker 2: from the field. You know, you got to have a

1053
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 2: little bit of that with your offensive lineman too. You know,

1054
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Speaker 2: he gets them blocking a little bit harder on every play.

1055
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Speaker 1: All right, Thanks, it's been fun.

1056
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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to a happier hour.

1057
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Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna get Doug Peterson a here and hopefully

1058
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Speaker 1: we'll be a big embulent sunshine sort of smile.

1059
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Speaker 2: Well, sunshines and rainbows are good, and I would like

1060
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Speaker 2: to have two happy hours next week.

1061
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Speaker 1: From your lips to God's Ears and hopefully the coach

1062
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Speaker 1: agrees with that. That's next, by the way, that Doug

1063
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Speaker 1: Peterson show. That'll do it for a happy hour. On

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Speaker 1: ten ten XL and on ninety two point five FM

1065
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Speaker 1: thanks to our entire broadcast crew and let's get our

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Speaker 1: number two and the Doug Peterson Show started right away