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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue kick Off. I

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Speaker 1: have a special four o'clock edition will about four o'clock

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Speaker 1: on the start of the league year right here on

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Speaker 1: Giants dot Com. We apologize for the delay. In order

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Speaker 1: to talk about what everybody wants to talk about, we

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Speaker 1: so that was the delay. We apologize for that, but

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Speaker 1: now we could talk about it. The Giants have executed

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Speaker 1: a trade sending Odell Beckham Jr. To the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 1: Here the details of the trade. The Giants have acquired

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Speaker 1: safety Jabral Peppers, guard Kevin Zeitler, and to draft choices

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Speaker 1: from the Browns their first overall pick, seventeenth pick in

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Speaker 1: round number one, and the third round pick that they

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Speaker 1: had previously acquired from the New England Patriots which is

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Speaker 1: nine overall from the Cleveland Browns for Odell Beckham Jr.

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Speaker 1: And Olivier Vernon. That is the trade. I have a

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Speaker 1: couple of quotes for you and we'll get to them

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Speaker 1: right now. The New York Giants, This is Dave Gentleman.

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Speaker 1: The New York Football Giants would like to thank Odell

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Speaker 1: Beckham Junior for his contributions. We truly wish him well

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Speaker 1: in England and we want to wish Ovi the best

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Speaker 1: and nothing but success for both of them. Um More

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Speaker 1: quotes in Dave Gettim on what the Giants received with

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Speaker 1: the first round Jeff Jeff Joyce. That gives us six

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Speaker 1: and seventeen in the first round. As we continue to

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Speaker 1: build this team, you need draft pick capital. This trade

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Speaker 1: enabling us to do that. We're very excited to get

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Speaker 1: a quality NFL guarding Kevin Zeitler. We've already had him

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Speaker 1: in here and he passed his physical. That really is

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Speaker 1: another piece of the offensive line repaired that we have

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Speaker 1: going now. We have most of the line in their

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Speaker 1: contract for the next couple of years. It's a great

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Speaker 1: opportunity for us to build stability on our offensive line.

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Speaker 1: We're excited about that. On Pepper's were very excited to

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Speaker 1: have Jabril. A lot of people remember him from his

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Speaker 1: days at Paramus Catholic that's in New Jersey. He's coming

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Speaker 1: excited and thankful and couldn't wait to get here. Jabra's

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Speaker 1: equality safety in this league and he has a legitimate

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Speaker 1: lynch bin on the back end of your defense. The

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Speaker 1: way this game is being played, your safeties are critical

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Speaker 1: and past defense. And I should note and this is

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Speaker 1: very important. Uh, the deal's completion is pending successful leastion

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Speaker 1: of physicals by all the players involved in the trade.

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Speaker 1: Paul the Tino. Those are the details. What do you think, Well,

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Speaker 1: you don't watch John the way I look at this. Uh.

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Speaker 1: There there are literally two angles to this deal. One,

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Speaker 1: you could say the Giants have traded away a premier

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Speaker 1: much like last year when the Raiders dealt Amari Cooper.

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Speaker 1: And you can look at the packages that those teams

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Speaker 1: the Giants got more than either one of those packages

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Speaker 1: and comparable to what the Raiders received for Khalil Mack

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Speaker 1: or comparable. Okay, that's one way you can look at it, right.

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Speaker 1: The other way you could look at it is Odell

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Speaker 1: Beckham Jr. Is a generational player, and if you consider

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Speaker 1: his talent value, his talent quotient, you could say, well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, this guy was probably worth a bigger

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Speaker 1: hole than what was available on the trade market. But

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Speaker 1: at the same time you look historically at what players

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Speaker 1: very much in line for what big time stars get

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Speaker 1: trade of a non quarterback that netted much more than

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Speaker 1: what the Giants got in this trade. And I think

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Speaker 1: Jabrill Peppers was selected in the first round of the

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Speaker 1: when you trade a superstar talent, usually it's because there

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Speaker 1: not necessarily get pure value for pure talent because it's

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Speaker 1: virtually impossible to do so. And I will file this

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Speaker 1: In the near term, this might hurt. Okay, like last year,

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Speaker 1: you got the draft pick for Jason Pierre Paul right, Well,

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Speaker 1: get that. But I think what we're seeing from Dave Getleman,

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Speaker 1: he's taking a much longer term view of the franchise.

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Speaker 1: And you'll head into season now with Jabrol Peppers stole

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Speaker 1: the assets on top of that, which is why it's dving. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the Giants gotten the trade, Okay, Jabrill Peppers, Uh,

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Speaker 1: rooms that we shall with Carl Banks and Bob Poper

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Speaker 1: tabulated exactly how the Giants offense performed in those games. Okay,

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Speaker 1: He was angry at Ali Sherman for cutting in because

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Speaker 1: of an injury to his ankle. Now it's not important

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Speaker 1: to me that there are those who justify these transactions

431
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Speaker 1: under the explanation that this is a business, not a sport.

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Speaker 1: But if it's a business, it relies on the goodwill

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Speaker 1: of the of the fans to survive. I believe that

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Speaker 1: there are some star athletes for the sake of your

435
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Speaker 1: fan base that you keep them no matter what. When

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Speaker 1: the final when when Fran Tarkington went back to the

437
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Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings, I understood that, you know, it was just

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Speaker 1: it was a business deal. But imagine if Joe DiMaggio

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Speaker 1: or Mickey Mantle or lu Garrick were traded from the Yankees,

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Speaker 1: you would have you don't have a loss of maybe

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Speaker 1: half your fans. Incidentally, I lost interest in the Yankees

442
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Speaker 1: when Yogi Barrow was fired as the manager by Steinburner

443
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Speaker 1: after he won the American League title. There are just

444
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Speaker 1: a few athletes that are so identified with their team

445
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Speaker 1: that their separation from their team is perceived as trees

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Speaker 1: in this by their fans. Now, I want to thank

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Speaker 1: you for allowing me to vent. Okay, Okay, Joy, thanks

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Speaker 1: for calling in. We appreciate it. And I think he's

449
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Speaker 1: bringing up some guys that are probably much more longer

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Speaker 1: tenured with their teams. Wasn't had more teams that sense

451
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Speaker 1: as well? And also, if you look in the modern

452
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Speaker 1: days of professional sports, very few superstars get to play

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Speaker 1: their entire careers with one team. You know, Phil Simms,

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Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor, Harry Carson, George Martin, Michael Strahan. These guys

455
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Speaker 1: were very fortunate, and they will tell you how fortunate

456
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Speaker 1: they were to play their entire careers as New York Giants.

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Speaker 1: He not even Carl Banks played his whole career with

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Speaker 1: the Giants. And I would say this and Paul and

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Speaker 1: I would say this to look and business is a business.

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Speaker 1: And maybe I'm I'm cold hearted or whatever, I get it.

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Speaker 1: Remember I'm a Nicks fan. I just don''m sure christasporzingis okay,

462
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Speaker 1: so so seriously, I'm serious. But eventually there's a price

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Speaker 1: for everything. And by the way, Walt Frazier went to

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Speaker 1: Cleveland as compensation for Jim Clements. They're a Clyde Frasier

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Speaker 1: where there are more popular sports figure in New York

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Speaker 1: at the time, generally speaking, in the NFL, unless you're

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Speaker 1: talking about a quarterback and a franchise quarterback, there's a

468
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Speaker 1: price to be had for everyone. Just the way it is.

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Speaker 1: Wayne gret Ski got traded, Mark Messier, Babe Ruth got traded.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it happens, folks. And by the way, just

471
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Speaker 1: as a little tip of the cap to that call

472
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Speaker 1: and what he talked about the fran Tarkington trade, that

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Speaker 1: hit my heart pretty hard. And I know that that

474
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Speaker 1: Fran wanted out and and there were a lot of

475
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Speaker 1: of of of of attitude issues they are going on.

476
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Speaker 1: But when they traded Fran talking to remember Talking did

477
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Speaker 1: was was an old pro, multiple old pro for the

478
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Speaker 1: Giants at the time after the seventy one season, when

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Speaker 1: they traded him in the package back to the Vikings

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Speaker 1: and they got a bunch of picks and norm Snead

481
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Speaker 1: was in the deal. Well, one of those draft picks

482
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Speaker 1: turned out to be Brad van Pelt, who went to

483
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Speaker 1: five consecutive Pro Bowls and by many accounts should be

484
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Speaker 1: considered for the Hall of Fame. That's debatable, but Brad

485
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Speaker 1: van Pelt became one of the old time greatest Giants

486
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Speaker 1: and that was because of a draft pick that they

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Speaker 1: got back in the Fran Tarkington trade. And trust me,

488
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Speaker 1: that day they traded Tarkington, I wasn't thinking about Brad

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Speaker 1: van Pelt. I had no idea of brand v Pelt was,

490
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Speaker 1: which is pretty happy afterwards. Which by the way, we

491
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Speaker 1: if you're a fan, you upset, We get it. We

492
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Speaker 1: understand emotional attachment to these players. We totally that's why

493
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Speaker 1: you're calling in and and we're letting you go. I

494
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Speaker 1: want to say one thing, though I wasn't sure if

495
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Speaker 1: it was Jerry or the call before talking about Dave

496
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Speaker 1: Gentleman's deception. Dave was very careful about the way he

497
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Speaker 1: answered those questions because we were at the combine and

498
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Speaker 1: both of us listened to him for a good hour.

499
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Speaker 1: But to the podium at his side session, when he

500
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Speaker 1: was asked these questions, and when he was asked about Beckham,

501
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Speaker 1: he said, I did not trade him. I did not

502
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Speaker 1: sign him to trade him. Correct. Then he was specifically asked,

503
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Speaker 1: will you say that under no circumstances where you trade

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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Jr. And he would not say that. Correct.

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Speaker 1: He was asked to do that more than once, and

506
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Speaker 1: he said, I said what I said. So that means no,

507
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Speaker 1: we didn't sign him with the intended purpose of trading him.

508
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Speaker 1: What that doesn't mean is that there wasn't a package

509
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Speaker 1: out there that would make it worth the giants wile

510
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Speaker 1: to help the organization to make the trade. I'm just

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Speaker 1: making the point that he was very careful and how

512
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Speaker 1: he chose his words. And yeah, it's politic e, I

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Speaker 1: get it, but that's exactly what he said, and that's

514
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Speaker 1: exactly what he meant, and you shouldn't have inferred more

515
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Speaker 1: of that. Correct any assumptions or inferences. That's that's that's

516
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Speaker 1: on you. Uh. Dave Gettleman has been doing this a

517
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Speaker 1: long time. By the way, he also has the right

518
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Speaker 1: to change his mind too. Sure he does. And he's

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Speaker 1: been involved in the organizations that have gone to seven

520
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Speaker 1: Super Bowls and won three championships. He understands what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: He knows what he's doing. He has conviction. He's a

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Speaker 1: tireless worker, and he is a very careful words smith.

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Speaker 1: When he says things, they are very carefully said. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't throw around words lightly, with an understanding that, you

525
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: know what, you gotta be careful with what you say

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Speaker 1: because there were gonna be people who are going to

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Speaker 1: take it out of context and they're gonna and they're

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00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: gonna say things about you. So trust me when I

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Speaker 1: tell you there was no deception involved there whatsoever, And

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Speaker 1: the assumption by somebody else is the deception. Paul, we

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Speaker 1: talked about it at the combine. We sat there and

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Speaker 1: it was I remember it was Pat Leonard. He asked

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Speaker 1: him straight up, will you say that you will not

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Speaker 1: trade Oto Beckham Jr. And Dave looked at him me laugh.

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Speaker 1: He goes, Pat, what did I say? I said what

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Speaker 1: I said exactly, And we actually talked about that on

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Speaker 1: the Combine Show. I think it was with Tom Rock.

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Speaker 1: We actually had that conversation that he was very careful

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Speaker 1: and how we chose to take Dave good Olwen's words

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Speaker 1: at face value. Yet once you start assuming something else,

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Speaker 1: that's when you get into trouble to five one three.

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Speaker 1: It's all presented by cores Light download the cores Light

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Speaker 1: Awards after to an amazing Giants Prizes. Jeffrey Rode Island

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Speaker 1: is up next day, Jeff, how are you, hey, guys?

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Speaker 1: How are you doing today? The heck of it. It's

546
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Speaker 1: a crazy last couple of days. Giants might want to

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Speaker 1: consider taking a look at Andy Isabella the receiver out

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Speaker 1: of you mask, Jeff. We like him. He's big, he's

549
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Speaker 1: he's fast, he's quick. But I think you're looking at

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Speaker 1: more of an outside receiver. I think, Isabella, you know,

551
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Speaker 1: it looks like more of a slide die. You know,

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Speaker 1: I just threw that out there because I said at

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Speaker 1: the other But Jeff, Jeff, you know you're right, and

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Speaker 1: it's funny and Paul and I and I'll be honest,

555
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: and we talked about this at the combine too. We

556
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Speaker 1: haven't done a lot of work on the wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: He thought the Giants are pretty set there, maybe a

558
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: day guy. Things like that. I gotta tell you next week,

559
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Speaker 1: I gotta hit the tape because we need to do

560
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Speaker 1: some serious work on these guys. I really planned on

561
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Speaker 1: skipping on the receivers, John, I really did. I can't

562
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Speaker 1: do that now. Suddenly it all changed, But it does

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Speaker 1: change his fast man. You know, I always you know

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Speaker 1: in my mind, you know, I've been following the Giants

565
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: for fifty years, and uh, I'm just going back to

566
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Speaker 1: what Shocky was. And to me, you know, Beckham was

567
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: like another Shocky. I just felt in my hot a

568
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: hot set. Eventually he was gonna play his way off

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Speaker 1: the team. Well he didn't really play his way off

570
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Speaker 1: the team, but he did enough to get himself off

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Speaker 1: the team. And I don't think, you know, he's in

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Speaker 1: Cleveland now, It's fine, Okay. I don't think he's ever

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Speaker 1: gonna live up to the money is they're paying him.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just don't think the Browns are gonna

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Speaker 1: get that just dow from that, and uh, that's just

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Speaker 1: the way you feel about it. You know you're going, Okay,

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00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: we'll move on blah blah blah. But who we're going

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Speaker 1: to replace himone not? Look, And I think that's a

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Speaker 1: fair question, Jeff, and appreciate the call. Thank you. And

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Speaker 1: if you look at Dave Gentleman's time in Carolina, Paul,

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Speaker 1: you know they drafted Devin Funchius. That did he draft

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Speaker 1: Funchs or is he there before he got there? I'm

583
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Speaker 1: trying to remember. I think let's Funches just went free agents,

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Speaker 1: so that means he's four years in the league. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I think Dave did draft him in Carolina then right?

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Speaker 1: If I'm not, I believe so that was the biggest

587
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Speaker 1: investment he made in a Y was the second while

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Speaker 1: he was there, correct. So, and if we talked about

589
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Speaker 1: his history at the safety position there as well, and

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Speaker 1: those are two positions that he hasn't traditionally, I'll get

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Speaker 1: off the double check it that as far as my

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Speaker 1: understanding is, and my memory serves me that he has

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Speaker 1: not invested big time. He's a hog guy. He wants

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Speaker 1: claim and there's nothing wrong with that. It's old school

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Speaker 1: and it works. And the other thing I want to

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Speaker 1: bring up to when the caller mentioned that some you know,

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00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: iconic franchise people you never let go. Before we got

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Speaker 1: on the show, the Chiefs announced that they let go

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Speaker 1: of Eric Berry. That is correct, Captain Kansas City. He's

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Speaker 1: a great guy. He had a great story beating cancer.

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Speaker 1: He had the injury last year a c. L Or Achilles,

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Speaker 1: one of the two. I forget which one it might

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Speaker 1: have been. Achilles was one of the two. I forget,

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Speaker 1: and they had to release him. I'm a few years

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00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: ago Dallas Copple said, let the Marcus ware go. He's

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. He is a whole he was

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Speaker 1: a first ballot Hall of Famer. When they let him go.

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Speaker 1: It happens. I mean sometimes it does happen in sports.

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00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: It stinks, but it happens in sports. Let's see Jerry

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Speaker 1: Rice to the Raiders in Seattle. Uh, Joe Montana went

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Speaker 1: to the Chiefs Okay, Ronny Lott Raiders Jeff Uh, Carl

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Speaker 1: Banks Browns, I mean Smith, Carlos. I forgot about that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, again, in today's modern sports, it's

614
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Speaker 1: a rarity. I mean, the guy to start and finish

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Speaker 1: in one spot. That's just the way it works. And

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna know until how all these picks pan out,

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Speaker 1: how the plan pans out as and you know, we'll

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Speaker 1: see how this gets look back at you. It's it's

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Speaker 1: impossible to judge today, is my point. When you're doing

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Speaker 1: with draft picks that haven't been made. We gotta see

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Speaker 1: what both franchises look like in four years and then

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Speaker 1: we'll know two four, five, one three. Joe in Pennsylvania, Hello, Joe, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Hi guys. Hi, wonderful day in the neighborhood. It's something Joe,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you. Yeah, yeah, just give me a second.

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Speaker 1: Say the word vent because the last time I talked,

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Speaker 1: I used the word tank. Even like that. It's not

627
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: just Odell that went. We we lost a lot of

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Speaker 1: good tea guys going with JPP Snacks Vernon. You know. So,

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Speaker 1: I really don't know what's gonna happen now, But the

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Speaker 1: key is gonna be in the end who we draft

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Speaker 1: for the quarterback, because you know, it would be a

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00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: surprise for us to get into the playoffs, would you

633
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: think now? But uh, really and truly so. Uh. But

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Speaker 1: one thing that you know on on our cornerback. What's

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00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: his name? Do we still have him? Uh? Yet we

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Speaker 1: still have him? Is he under contract this year? This year?

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Speaker 1: End next year? Gen Jenkins? Okay? Uh? He. I'll never

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Speaker 1: know yet what with Tim and I'll never know what

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Speaker 1: they'll do with Eli yet if they you know, nothing

640
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: will be surprised me yet, you know, if they has

641
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: to take a cut or if he's gonna stay or

642
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: what I just wondered sometimes if we keep all these

643
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: players and if we either to trade it Eli, that

644
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: was another way to go. But uh, because I don't

645
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: know if it's gonna work out with everything, One thing

646
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: I hope we would do is get a big, strong

647
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: uh receiver with some kind of speech just the break

648
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: off the line, because we're gonna see a lot in

649
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: the box now, you know, that's the truth, and we

650
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: should be able to get whatever we want with to

651
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: get our with the draft picks, we have to either

652
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: get defensive ends or to help solidified the offensive line.

653
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I just hope it all works

654
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: out because that's gonna be the key who what what

655
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: we do with these draft picks and who we UH

656
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: draft as a quarterback. We just just don't know. If

657
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: we're going to draft one this year yet, it wouldn't

658
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 1: be a surprise their wait until next year. So whatever

659
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: you think, they'll all have to come out to watch.

660
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: And I hope it all works out. Go Giants. Just

661
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: remember one thing. If you build the trenches, everything else

662
00:34:52,360 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: tends to fall in line. After that old school War

663
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: five one three um and Fung just was drafted in

664
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen, gent him into control in two thousand thirteen.

665
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 1: Thank you, Dan, I thought that was the case. Let's

666
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: go to Brandon in New Jersey. He's up next. Hello, Brandon, Hey,

667
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 1: what's going on? So hey, man, I man yo, I'm

668
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: so torn. Brothers, man, I get it, but I don't

669
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: get it. Let's see I understand because I was. I

670
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: was even kind of questioned it. I was kind of

671
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: even questioning it's Odell's fully in with us. And maybe

672
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: that's probably what they was probably questioning two. And maybe

673
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that they probably want to go back to

674
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: that big body receiver like ELI used to have to

675
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: get that that show the back in this. With that

676
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 1: being said, I would I'm still singing on the table,

677
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: do not draft no quarterback. I still don't believe we

678
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 1: need to take one of this ship. I would take.

679
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: I hear that we're big on the kid my ronchest suite.

680
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: We could get him in the first round and then

681
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: and then back in the end the first and then

682
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: back in the of the end of the second round,

683
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: I mean the first round. Uh, with the pick number seventeen,

684
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: we could take What about that kid UHTC. Yeah, I

685
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: like him. He's six five, he got a big body

686
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: frame speed to him. I think he would be a

687
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: nice fig and I believe he could fit right in

688
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: with at the ingram in as well. If you want

689
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: a big receiver, he does fit the bill, that's for sure.

690
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: Big guy. I believe that would be a nice fit.

691
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: But my old thing is will he beat it at

692
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: number seventeen? Yeah, you know, Brandon, I think that's a

693
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: good question. Thanks a lot for the call. We appreciate it.

694
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: He's a guy and we talked about him with Willma

695
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: Kentley platt On earlier in the week. With the r

696
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 1: S scores. He had unbelievable size. I think we'll six

697
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: three and three eight to seven. If I remember properly

698
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: ran a four three three at that size, which is

699
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson. Good then he did the agility drills and

700
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: he had the third and fourth worst times in the

701
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: whole wide receiver class in the three cone and the

702
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: short shuttle. So he's a straight ahead speed guy. Can

703
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: he change directions well enough? He had injury issues throughout

704
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: his career in college as well. Will a team jump

705
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: at it because of the speed? Will he be there

706
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: at seventeen? I don't know, um, but I'm look, I'm

707
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: sure the Giants will take a hard look at wide receivers. Oh,

708
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll look at receivers, but throughout the draft,

709
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: not just in round. And that's the thing for me again,

710
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: because I always say the priority is to build in

711
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: the trenches. You've got to get the pass rusher. You've

712
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 1: got to get the big guys up front and pass

713
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: rush as a priority. Right now, it certainly is, you know, uh,

714
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: I would think that, yes, you are looking at receiver,

715
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: but that could come via free agency, and it could

716
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: also come a little bit later on in the draft

717
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,479
Speaker 1: because it seems to me there is going to be

718
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: a premium on We've heard as many as seventy of

719
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: the first three rounds is going to be defense. So

720
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: you gotta draft into the strength of the defense. Remember

721
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: best player available. That means you're looking at your value board,

722
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: and I would think, based on the consensus that is

723
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: out there when we learned at the combine, John, from

724
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: talking to a lot of different people, it's gonna be

725
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: heavily skewed towards defense in the first three rounds. I'd

726
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: be surprised that the Giants don't feel the same way

727
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: because that seems to be the consensus. And there's there

728
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: seems to be a good depth at wide receiver in

729
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: the middle rounds too, So that would seems to be

730
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: the sweet spot if you want to go wide receiver rounds,

731
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: you know, two through five, somewhere in that area. You know,

732
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: maybe towards the latter end, maybe two through four or

733
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: three and four would be the best place to look. Remember,

734
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: the Giants have twelve draft picks now, they got two ones,

735
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: A two, three, two fours, So that's a lot of

736
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: picks to make it. Maybe you package some of those

737
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: move up, because you know that's very hard for twelve

738
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: rookies to make your roster. But so we'll see what

739
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: the Giants can do. One other thing, by the way,

740
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: what John Pennsylvania said, he said We've got off using

741
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: the word tank, and I just want to kind of

742
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: jump on that again because Dave Gentleman has said it,

743
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: an ownership has said it that the Giants will not tank.

744
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: And if if the Giants were tanking, there were there

745
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: are a lot of veterans on this team that they

746
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: could take a salary cap hit on this year, get

747
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: rid of them and really try and lose. That hasn't

748
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: happened as of today. So they're not tanking. It's and

749
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: and what and look if the word is not even

750
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: it's this is not the NBA. Okay, if you want

751
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: to call it a rebuild, fine, I'm calling it a transformation.

752
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: You're transforming the roster and the moves you're making. You're

753
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: looking to the future to prepare as you're trying to

754
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: rebuild or reform, retransform yourself off of a three and

755
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: thirteen year two years ago, five and eleven year last year.

756
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: But at the same time, remain competitive. They want to

757
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: remain competitive, give the fans a good product, try to

758
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, try to win football games, but at

759
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: the same time put the team in the best position

760
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: possible to rebuild your roster moving forward. I'll give you

761
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: the quote from Dave Gentleman again. I want to read

762
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: it again. With the first round draft Joyce, that gives

763
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: us six and seventeen, said Dave Gentleman. As we continue

764
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: to build this team, you need draft pick capital. This

765
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: trade enabled us to do that. That's the quote. Look,

766
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: Football one oh one says you build through the draft.

767
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: That is the smartest, most productive way to build a winner.

768
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: That's very simple. There's nothing fancy about that, there's nothing

769
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: magical about that. And that's where Dave Gentleman is, uh,

770
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: you know, pointing people right now. He's trying to tell

771
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: people that's that's what we're gonna do. Whether you make

772
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: those picks, where you trade those picks, that's the way

773
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: to go to a one nine four or five one three.

774
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: We'll go for another What do you start a fourth

775
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: thirty five? I think we'll go to the fifteen minutes

776
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: here and then Dan's gonna go pick up his kid

777
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: from daycare. I gotta pick a mind, so we gotta roll.

778
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna go to Eric all that he's up next, Hey, daddy,

779
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: first to Tino. You know how I will I understand Eric?

780
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: What's up? Pal? How's it going guys. What So I've

781
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: heard what guys are saying, and honestly, I'm very frustrated

782
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 1: with the team. I don't really like the trade from Odell,

783
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: not in terms of getting up Odell himself, but go

784
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 1: on getting a person a third out of it. No, Eric,

785
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: you also got Jabrill Peppers, who, in my opinion, I

786
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: watched Watchington playing Michigan. Eric, Look, look, I don't think Eric,

787
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: lib here's the thing. No, Eric, here's the thing. You're

788
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: getting a player that's just as good and ascending for

789
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: a sixth or seventh of the price. You think jab

790
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: just good, a three time pro Board for All Pro

791
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: and finished third Intensive Player of the Year. From watching

792
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: the tape this morning, what I saw from Drill Pepper's

793
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: watching four or five complete games of his tape last

794
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 1: year in Cleveland, I think he is an extremely comparable

795
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: player right now at what Landon Collins gave the Giants

796
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: the last two years. So that's fine, and I that's

797
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: a good point. I totally respect. That's there. You guys

798
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: were just saying, how we're trying to say competitive, We're

799
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 1: not thinking? How are we not thinking? When we got

800
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: you guys still out there? The best weapon how are

801
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: we not going how are we gonna win games? When

802
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: that was gone? I just listened to you earlier in

803
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: the show, and I'll give it to you again in

804
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: case you weren't listening. In the four games Odell did

805
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: not play last year, the Giants average twenty five and

806
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: a half points per game, two and a half points

807
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: better than what they did over the course of the

808
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: entire season. They averaged more than seventeen yards better per

809
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 1: game then they average over the course of the entire

810
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: season in the four games Odell didn't play, and Barkley

811
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: averaged more rushing yards per game in those games as

812
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: well with the Giants. And again Eric Dave got him

813
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: didn't say this, So maybe I'm making an assumption and

814
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get yeo that we'll see. But I think

815
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: the way the Giants played in the second half, which

816
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: featured a lot of big personnel, a focus on running

817
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: the football and doing play action off that running game.

818
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: They believe that with Stirling Shepherd's ability to win one

819
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: on one, Evan Ingram's ability to win one on one

820
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: and see Juan's Barkley's a bill to get open and

821
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: win as a matchup problem out of the backfield. The

822
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: Giants have more than enough weapons in the passing game

823
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: to play the way they want to play. And I

824
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: understand if you want to go back to two thousand

825
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: and seventeen and sixteen and look how the team before

826
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: without Beckham and that scares you. I get it. The

827
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: numbers those years and we're not pretty. I totally understand that.

828
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: I'm not arguing that point at all. But the way

829
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: they the way they played the last eight games last

830
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: year even was different than the way they played those

831
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: two years, and the way they use their people were different.

832
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: So that's how I believe the Giants will try to

833
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: operate offensively this year. A lot of bigger formations play

834
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 1: action pass. I mean, look how good the Rams passing

835
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: game was this year. They don't have an Odell Beckham junior.

836
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 1: Robert Woods is a good receiver, he's not a great receiver.

837
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks is a good receiver, he's not a great receiver.

838
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: So I think that's what the Giants are thinking about

839
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 1: when they run their offense. I'm sorry, Jared go career,

840
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: is he really that's that's that's that's you, that's yours.

841
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: But but you know, but you know what. No, but no.

842
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: Look look, whether whether you think that's the case or not,

843
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just explaining to you the Beckham part

844
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: of it, and I think that's how they want to operate.

845
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 1: I think right into the ground repeatedly. At some point

846
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: they're gonna be gonna stop. We're gonna put something the box.

847
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: You're gonna going to stop them. It's a con cherishing player.

848
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: If at some point they're gonna stop, and they stoped

849
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: top growy at the rams, they're gonna figure a way out.

850
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: Its fell Well. Of course, what we do know, and

851
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: that this is undisputed, is that the defense was really

852
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: lacking last season. I mean Dave Gettleman did point out

853
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: to us at the combine and in the second half

854
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: of the season. Uh, they had three games in the

855
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: second half of the year. All they needed was one

856
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: defensive stop in the final minutes and they would have

857
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 1: held on to win three of those games. But that's

858
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 1: not what happened because the defense couldn't hold up. They

859
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: they need help at all three levels of the defense,

860
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,959
Speaker 1: and you would like to believe if they can get

861
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: that fortified, that will give them a better chance to

862
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: win gage anyway, go ahead two oh one, nine three

863
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: nine four five on three. Let's go back to the

864
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 1: phones and say what's up to g O and bay Own.

865
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: What's up? Geo? Hey, how you doing guys today? We're

866
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,959
Speaker 1: doing what's up? Hey? Listen, I just want to say

867
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: one thing. Um. First of all, I'm not kind of

868
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: kind of feel bad. You know, you guys are sitting

869
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: there just defending everything, and I feel like, you know,

870
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: I'm kind of said even at the fans too, because

871
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: of the fan I know that we can get emotional,

872
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: and I know that sometimes you know, our first you know,

873
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: reaction is what we what we want, and you know

874
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: we want to get our way all the time. But

875
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: it's not like that a real quick look, Paul and

876
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: I understand. I mean, we we go, We're at every game,

877
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: we see all the old old comp junior jerseys. We

878
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: get it. We understand fans are mad, and frankly I understand.

879
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: Look we're fans of other teams and other sports too.

880
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: You know, if traded Andrew, you know, Aaron Judge, I'd

881
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: be annoyed. I was annoyed with the next trade of

882
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: Christas sports they can see they follow me on Twitter.

883
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: I was a little I understand, and that's my point. Like,

884
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: I know it hurts, but I've been I've been listening

885
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: to you guys for a while now, and I've also

886
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: been listening to guys about us having patience. And I

887
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: believe that we that's the thing we need to do

888
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,479
Speaker 1: right now, because there's a lot of criticism out there saying,

889
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: you know, get them INTERI to be the Shermans, to

890
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: be there, and you know, I don't believe that. I

891
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: believe that the guys are there because they you know,

892
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: they know what they're doing. They know more than what

893
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: we're doing, you know, in the inside. And at the

894
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: same time, they were with the players every single day,

895
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: and um, there could be a lot of different circles.

896
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: Is when we don't know about about why that come left.

897
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: And partially I think maybe Beck want ago, he wanted

898
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: to go and play another team, you know, And that's

899
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: just my personal opinion. But I believe that we have

900
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: to look forward now. And UM, I believe that get

901
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: Will did a great job in the draft last year.

902
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: Four of those um came to be starting rookies and

903
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: they did a great job. And you know, and so

904
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: I also believe that you know, He's also banking on

905
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: that that this year, with the twelve picks we have

906
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: right now, we're also gonna get you know, to filling

907
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: a lot of holes in the defense. And I believe

908
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 1: that these things were the championships guys. So I think

909
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: if you strength enough the defense, you know, it's gonna

910
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: hurt definitely. But I think we can go out and

911
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: get another wide receiver, somebody that can catch the ball

912
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: and and and you know that has to have to

913
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: be spectacular, but you know, all the rest of the

914
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: pieces are there, you know, Strengthen that line, get that

915
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: right tackle, get that defensive and we need And my

916
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: question for you guys know was also who do you

917
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: think it would be another cornerback that could really help

918
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: us out? You know now that we got into a

919
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: Medea and we got Javille Peppers, um, you know, maybe

920
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: maybe getting a little bit more that another cornerback who

921
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: you guys think would be a good option. I appreciate

922
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: the call, you know what we don't. I don't want

923
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: to do much on other positions today. We're gonna be

924
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: back tomorrow at noon. I got about three or four

925
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: more Beckham calls, and I want to get in we

926
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: only go about six or seven minutes left in the show.

927
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: I'll get to that and I'll make sure we touch

928
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: on that position group for you tomorrow. We'll be back

929
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: tomorrow on normal time, by the way, at noon, and

930
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: maybe we'll go a little bit longer. We're getting the

931
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: volume of courts that we think. I gotta give you

932
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: guys credit to look, we started later than we thought.

933
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: And literally, Paul and I looked at those phones for

934
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: thirty straight minutes and we're sitting here Twitter in our

935
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: thumbs waiting to go, just like you're waiting for us

936
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: to go. And those four lines were lit up the

937
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: entire time, like literally the entire time. So thank you

938
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: listeners for being a part of the show. And again,

939
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: I hope we're giving you an opportunity to event today

940
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: because I know a lot of you guys are upset,

941
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: which is great. That's why we're here. We're here to

942
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: talk you through it and talk some giants football two

943
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: four or five one three. One of thing I want

944
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: to say to just in terms of team building very quickly.

945
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: And Albert Brier put out a tweet the other night

946
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to find it. Um I thought it

947
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: was very interesting. Um, I can't find it right now,

948
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: but it was. It was basically talking about team building

949
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: and you know the types of teams that have they

950
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: built their rosters with champions. I'm gonna try to find

951
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: that tweet if I can. But in the meantime, let's

952
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: go back to the phones and then I'll touch on it.

953
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: Let's go to Kevin in Ohio. Who's up next? Hey, Kevin?

954
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: How are you? Oh? I h the great, Yeah, I'm

955
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 1: doing well. Hey. I wanted to share a perception with you. Um,

956
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 1: I was the shocked as everybody was this morning. And

957
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 1: I work in western Pennsylvania and I efferd the Odell

958
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 1: Beckham saga unfold the last few weeks, okay, And one

959
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: of the biggest things that gave the gentleman said when

960
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: he first became the general manager was that he's looking

961
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: for guys we don't want to win. He's looking for

962
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: guys and hate. Yes, And I am really seeing a

963
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: correlation between the A B saga and where Mr O'Dell

964
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: Beckham is heading to. And I think again, and you

965
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: know he said before about how you know, listen to

966
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: the words he says, and I think that really speaks

967
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: volumes right there. Yeah, And that was a quote Kevin

968
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: that he gave back on December. I believe that was

969
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,959
Speaker 1: at his introductory press conference and he was talking about

970
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: a conversation yet with Ryan Wendell Um back when he

971
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: was with the Panthers, and he goes, this was the

972
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: quote from the press conference. Um. He asked, Ryan, what

973
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: do you thought about the end of the year, And

974
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: this is what Whendell said to him, David, at the

975
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: end of the season, we beat the Charges, we beat

976
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: Washington and that Monday night game down there, and Ryan said, Dave,

977
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: those are New England Patriot wins. That's what it looked like.

978
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: And gentleman said, this is them telling the story. Okay,

979
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: so tell me the steps. He said, because when Dell

980
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: used to be a member of the Patriots, the one

981
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: thing that we all know, from the moment we walked

982
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: in the doors, we were expected to be pros. Today,

983
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: there's two kind of players in this league. There are

984
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: guys that played professional football and they are professional football players.

985
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 1: And the professional football players and the guys we want.

986
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: I don't want guys that want to win. I want

987
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: guys that hate to lose. That's the professional football player,

988
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: that's what you want, So it's important. I want to

989
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: jump on that in two different ways. One, you did

990
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: see what happens when you wait too long to move

991
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: somebody with Antonio Brown and the leverage is gone. I

992
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: think if you do move a player, you want to

993
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: maximize his value when you can. And being under a

994
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: long term contract, which by a lot of people that

995
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: have said, oh, why don't you trade them before you

996
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: gave him the big contract, Well, if you train them

997
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: on the tag. Look with the Chiefs of scott for

998
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 1: d Ford, Okay, you're gonna get less in the trade

999
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: than when you get for him if you're trading him

1000
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: after a long term deal. So you take the dead money,

1001
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: but you're getting more in return, which for me that's

1002
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: a win. Okay, I'd rather have the draft capital and

1003
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 1: take the dead money. That's just me. The second part

1004
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: of that. And I gotta be honest, and I've said

1005
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: this on the show before, I'm not gonna take it

1006
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: back now. I felt after games when the Giants lost

1007
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: that Beckham hated to lose. I felt that, and I

1008
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: don't think the Giants or Dave Gentleman thought otherwise. Dave

1009
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: Gentleman has never said that, so I don't I don't

1010
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: think you should assume that's what he thought about Odell

1011
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: Beckham Jr. Okay, okay, fair enough again, It's just you know,

1012
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: you know, I justly speak louder than words sometimes and

1013
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 1: you know, you see, you know, the TV have to sensationalize, uh,

1014
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: someone blowing up on the sideline or something like that.

1015
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: You know, they always they always seem to catch O'Dell

1016
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 1: as a wrong time, and you know, I guess that's

1017
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: your best part of their job. But you know, it's

1018
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: just a shame that, you know, in the we're parting

1019
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: ways with him. I mean, like you said before, there's

1020
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: no doubt the bounty, unbelievable, player, unbelievable. But you know,

1021
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: where where really is his part at this point in

1022
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: his professional career? You know, That's That's what I'm questioning.

1023
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: Thank you, Kevin, Appreciate it. Appreciate the two one four

1024
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: five one three. Lennon, Columbia, Maryland. The only explanation I

1025
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: have here from lenn is not happy. That's what it

1026
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: says on the call screen. Botit or Len go ahead,

1027
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: my friend, I'm not happy, and I'm very disappointed, and

1028
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: I'm kind of at this pointed in you guys, you

1029
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,919
Speaker 1: guys are acting like we traded a bag of used

1030
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: football's here, Paul called meeny New York history. Paul generational,

1031
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: given the entertainment value you need to be free for. Okay,

1032
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: Paul said the start of the show, he's a generational

1033
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame player. What part of that didn't you understand?

1034
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: He's a generational Hall of Fame player. This this, this

1035
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: trade never should have been made, Never should have been made. Listen,

1036
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: Eric Berry is going to get about fifteen minutes of press,

1037
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: national press about being cut in Kansas City. The national

1038
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: press is going to be talking about this trade for years,

1039
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: for years. Okay, we don't you know? That tells me.

1040
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: That tells me this trade shouldn't have been made. That's

1041
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: what it tells me. It tells me shouldn't have been made.

1042
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: One other thing. But so the one thing I do understand,

1043
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:09,760
Speaker 1: you know, Gettleman Steel. Okay, probably something ownership involved, probably

1044
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: Shermer involved, probably, but you know, Gettleman Steel. The honeymoon's over.

1045
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 1: The honeymoon's over. He's had fifteen months for me, he's

1046
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: got twenty one more. December thirty one, two thousand, twenty.

1047
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: We're in the playoff. I drive Dave to the bus station.

1048
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: That's how significant this trade. What's to me? It's a

1049
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: sad day in science history, sad day. I'll get over.

1050
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: I got over the I got over the Huff trade.

1051
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: I'll get over this. Don't read into the fact that

1052
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm selling my tickets on some of

1053
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: my PSLs. This was a bad move. Guys, thanks for

1054
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: taking my call. Thank you calling, and then we appreciate

1055
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: it as always my friends. All right, I just want

1056
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: to make sure that you heard Paul what he said

1057
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: at the start of the shell, because I don't think

1058
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: we downplayed it. I mean we we described the type

1059
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 1: of talent that he is in every way we possibly could,

1060
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 1: and we compared the player, and we compared the trade

1061
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 1: to every other huge position player trade that's been made

1062
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,919
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I mean, people are still talking about

1063
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: the Clear Matt trade. We compared the trade to that.

1064
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: And by the way, he he made a hundred forty

1065
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: million dollars on his contract. It's a lot bigger than

1066
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: the contract that got that Beckham got signed him. The

1067
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: the emotions are fine, you can hurt, you can be

1068
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 1: bruised by it. You can be upset by the emotions.

1069
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: Are fine. The only thing that we've tried to do here,

1070
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: And somebody earlier accused us of defending the trade. I

1071
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: even got a guy tweeting me saying, I'm I thought

1072
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: the trade was good. I never said, By the way,

1073
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: neither of us have said the trade is good or

1074
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: bad over the course of the show. We're just explaining

1075
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 1: the aspects of the trade. And that's the entire key here.

1076
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: Because as I've said a thousand times, maybe even a

1077
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: million times, John, if you've lost count, I apologize. But

1078
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: football is a spider web. Okay, nothing gets done in

1079
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 1: a bubble. I've said it before. Domino effect one domino

1080
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: and there are many others behind it. Spiderweb. One strand

1081
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: affects all the other strands. Okay, nothing is done in

1082
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: a bubble. All we have tried to do here today

1083
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: for you folks, in addition to giving you an opportunity

1084
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: to event because it's a giant show for the fans,

1085
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: we have tried to explain some of the other strands

1086
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: in the spiderweb. You don't have to like it, that's

1087
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: not what we're here to do. We're not to tell

1088
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 1: you you like it or you don't like it. That's

1089
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: up to you to decide. You decide if you like

1090
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: it or not. That's not that's not my job. Nope,

1091
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: I'm simply here as a conduit to the fans to

1092
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: try to explain some of the other web strands in

1093
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: the spiderweb that you may not be able to ascertain

1094
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: from other places because they're not going into the details

1095
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: and they're not going into the other strands of the spiderweb.

1096
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: They're simply saying, oh, good bad headline, boom done. And

1097
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: we haven't told one call that they were wrong to

1098
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: be upset. We haven't told one caller that if they

1099
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: didn't like the trade that you're dumb and you should

1100
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 1: like the trade. We have not told anybody that. Today.

1101
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: We're letting you guys call in and give your opinion.

1102
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: That's it, and we're just explaining the aspects of the

1103
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: trade and like Paul said, all the different parts that

1104
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: come into it. The result of it, the players, the

1105
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: Giants gotten return the impact on the salary cab next year, which,

1106
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: by the way, if you project ahead, the Giants could

1107
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: have upboards of ninety million dollars or cash based next season.

1108
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: By the way, of course, it's fluid, but I'm just

1109
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: saying dangerous to talk about that, correct And again I

1110
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: don't need to give out a specific number because obviously

1111
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: those are numbers that are on websites, and that was

1112
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: not my intention. The point is is that it right now,

1113
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: moving forward, the Giants will have a ton of flexibility

1114
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: based on the current contracts on their roster. Now that

1115
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: can change, but based on the current contracts on the roster,

1116
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: they have a lot of flexibility moving forward starting next

1117
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: year at the salary cap. That was the point I

1118
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: was trying to make. Energy is actually better spent on

1119
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: figuring out how they're going to move forward as opposed

1120
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: to taking were energy talking about what just happened. But

1121
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: I get it, but I get it. Come on, the

1122
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: emotions are flowing and that's why we're here for you, alright.

1123
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: Final call the show with Sam and Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Sam,

1124
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: thanks for being with us your clean up there today.

1125
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: Hey fellas, I've been listening to you guys for several

1126
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: years and it's just been a pleasure. Thank you. Thank

1127
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: you a good work, even even through the rough times

1128
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: that we're going through right now. Appreciate it, Thank you

1129
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: for listening, and thank you for calling it. What's on

1130
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: your mind? Hey? So all my mind is I think

1131
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: with the the O del Pree uh and the players

1132
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: that we picked up in the picks that we've picked up,

1133
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: I think as Giants fan, we start we need to

1134
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: start looking in the future. Jerry Reese and the several

1135
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: busts in draft picks that we've done for the X

1136
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: amount of years has put us in this position. You

1137
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: just mentioned about the flexibility that we're going to be

1138
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: leading into. So I was going to pitch it out

1139
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: to you guys. Do you think that the Giants have

1140
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: a possibility of building a package of some sort and

1141
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: push for Rosen or do you think they're going to

1142
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: build a package to guarantee uh Haskins or perhaps draft

1143
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: and edge rusher with six and hopefully Jones falls down

1144
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: to seventeen. What's your thoughts? Thank you call. Thank you

1145
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: for this call. Sam. We appreciate it, and I think

1146
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: you hit it. The most important thing moving forward in

1147
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: the next couple of years, whenever it happens, is going

1148
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: to be what the Giants do at the quarterback position.

1149
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: We know Eli Manning is under contract for this year. Okay,

1150
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: we don't know what his future is after that. We'll

1151
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: wait and see. But the Giants, you have to figure

1152
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: out what's next to the quarterback position. I know a

1153
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: lot of people have made the assumption that, oh, they're

1154
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: getting draft capital together to make a big movie this year,

1155
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: to move up to pick a quarterback. I think that's

1156
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,919
Speaker 1: a really big assumption at this point. I think that's

1157
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: a really, really, really big assumption. I'm not rolling out

1158
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: the Giants take a quarterback this year. Do you know why?

1159
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: The Giants haven't even set their board yet. They haven't

1160
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: even had their full meetings with these guys. So I'm

1161
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: not rolling anything out. But I think a lot of

1162
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: people are making that assumption that, oh, that's gonna happen

1163
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: this year now because of the straight no that about it.

1164
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: It's happened hook Line and Sinker. I would not make

1165
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: that assumption so quickly. There's a lot of options out there,

1166
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: and like you said, he likes the trenches. They've got

1167
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: Leman's history as drafting people up front. The team has

1168
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: needs up front. There's a lot of really good players

1169
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: up front of this draft class. And would it surprised me.

1170
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: If you walk out of that first round with two

1171
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: defensive ends or an offensive tackle on a defensive end

1172
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: or whatever. No, that wouldn't surprise me at all. So

1173
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: I would not assume this means anything with the quarterback position.

1174
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,919
Speaker 1: But we do know, and they've got him and told

1175
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: us at the combine and the same media thing we

1176
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: talked about earlier. He unders he wants to be what

1177
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: Ernie of course he was to this team, and when

1178
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: he walks out the door, he wants to leave the

1179
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: Giants with their next Eli Manning esque franchise quarterback. That's

1180
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: his goal and he will do whatever he can to

1181
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: get that done. Does it have to be this year? No?

1182
01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: Is it a situation with some level of urgency because

1183
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: of Eli Manning's age? Sure, And that's how I'll leave it.

1184
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: From my perspective. There's only one logical conclusion you can

1185
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: draw from what has happened to this point in the

1186
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: off season, and how does the Giants have increased the

1187
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: flexibility which means they have more directions that they can

1188
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: go into as they try to continue to improve this

1189
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: team and to get it back on the right track.

1190
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: And that is the only logical conclusion that you can

1191
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: come to. They have more possibilities and more directions that

1192
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: they can go to today than they had a week ago.

1193
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: That's it. There's no other conclusion that you can draw.

1194
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: You just can't. All right, guys, I say, we've still

1195
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: got the phones lighting up. Unfortunately we need to go.

1196
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: We appreciate you being part of the show and being

1197
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: patient with us and not you know, we came on

1198
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: late today. Thank you for being patient and still be

1199
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: in with us and given us a full line of calls.

1200
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: Will be back with you tomorrow noon. I'm sure the

1201
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: emotions will still be running high. Al have Lance Meadow

1202
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: here with me to yeah at you instead of Paul,

1203
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: and may well fun with that. Lance likes to get

1204
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: argumented and and and can tanker, so that'll be fun.

1205
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: Will be with you then, and then it'll be Paul.

1206
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: It'll be Lance and I believe Lanson Fegeles on Friday

1207
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: because I switch with Jeff. That's right, It'll be Lanson

1208
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: Feagles on Friday back at noon on Giants dot Com

1209
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: on Big Blue Kickoff Live for Paul the Tino. I'm

1210
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: johnsh Well. Thank you for joining us on our special

1211
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: start of the league year edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live.

1212
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: We'll see again tomorrow at noon. O'Dell Beckham Jr. Has

1213
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: been traded to the Browns for a first round pick,

1214
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: a third round pick. Kevin Zeitler and Jibrol Peppers and

1215
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: Olivier Vernon heading to the Browns as well. More tomorrow

1216
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: and more on Giants dot com for continuing coverage of

1217
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: the Giants moves in the off season. We'll see you

1218
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: tomorrow at noon. Audios