WEBVTT - Roxie Nafousi: Struggle With Low Self-Worth & No Confidence? (Use This Life-Changing 3-Step Method!)

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<v Speaker 1>Confident is about being able to walk into any room

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<v Speaker 1>unapologetically yourself and walk out of it not worrying what

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<v Speaker 1>everyone else thought of you.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, everyone, welcome back to on Purpose, the place you

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<v Speaker 2>come to become the happier, healthier, and more healed. I

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<v Speaker 2>am committed to making a healing world, not one that

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<v Speaker 2>is finished, complete or perfect, but one where we're all

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<v Speaker 2>a work in progress. And today to help us do that,

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<v Speaker 2>to heal from the inside out, to work on some

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<v Speaker 2>of the biggest challenges that we all struggle with. Whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's insecurities, whether it's self doubt, whether it's a lack

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<v Speaker 2>of self trust, whether it's feeling like we're not enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you've felt not smart enough, not beautiful enough, not

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<v Speaker 2>thoughtful enough, not tall enough, whatever it may be, and

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<v Speaker 2>it all affects a part of our life that we

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<v Speaker 2>call confidence. And today's guest is none other than my

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<v Speaker 2>dear friend Roxy Nafusi. Her new book is called Confidence,

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<v Speaker 2>Eight Steps to Knowing Your Worth. She's the best selling

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<v Speaker 2>author of manifest She's been on the show before. You

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<v Speaker 2>loved our episode together, and I'm so excited to welcome

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<v Speaker 2>back Roxy and the Fusie.

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<v Speaker 3>Roxy. It's great to have you back.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, thank you so much for having me. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't believe I got to sit in this chair once,

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<v Speaker 1>so to be here twice. What is this life?

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly? Like, since the moment we met, we hit it off. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I shared last time, just how many people in

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<v Speaker 2>my life read Manifest I've gifted it to so many

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<v Speaker 2>people as well, And anyone that's read it, anyone that

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<v Speaker 2>connects with your work and knows we know each other,

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<v Speaker 2>will message me and just say this book was awesome,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I love her work and to see you continue

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<v Speaker 2>to rise and soar and now create this book as

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<v Speaker 2>well again in your signature style of being poignant, effective, relatable, simple,

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<v Speaker 2>It's so powerful. Thanks and I'm so glad you dedicate

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<v Speaker 2>time to confidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. No, I'm so so honored, Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let's dive in roxy I want to Confidence

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<v Speaker 2>is such a big thing. I wanted to ask you

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<v Speaker 2>how do you defer find the word confidence?

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<v Speaker 1>So I think there's so many different ways to define confidence.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think for me, confidence is ultimately about self worth.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about knowing that you are enough, exactly as you are.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think what confidence isn't and the way I

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<v Speaker 1>don't define it is being an extrovert. So a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people think that if you are confident, it must

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<v Speaker 1>mean that you're comfortable being loud or you're charismatic, and

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of think that that's what it's about. But

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<v Speaker 1>for me, that's not it at all. You know. I

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<v Speaker 1>think confidence is grounding, it's quiet, it's stable. And one

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<v Speaker 1>of my favorite definitions of confidence is that confidence is

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<v Speaker 1>about being able to walk into any room unapologetically yourself

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<v Speaker 1>and walk out of it not worrying what everyone else

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<v Speaker 1>thought of you. And I think when you can get

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<v Speaker 1>to that place, that's when you know you've reached it.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that definition. That's such a brilliant way of

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<v Speaker 2>putting it, because I think we are all over thinking

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<v Speaker 2>before we walk into a room, whatever I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>think of me, and then we walk out, we're all

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<v Speaker 2>thinking what did they think of me? Absolutely think the

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<v Speaker 2>whole car journey home, wondering everything you did and whether

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<v Speaker 2>someone saw you drop your spoon or spill a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of wine, or drop some food or whatever it may be.

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<v Speaker 2>You're over analyzing every moment and you're wondering, well do

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<v Speaker 2>they think I'm smart. Do they think I'm clever? Do

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<v Speaker 2>they think I'm interesting?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm boring? One thing you.

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<v Speaker 2>Said was really interesting to me, and I want to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of go down that road. Is how do introreeds

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<v Speaker 2>and extra eds demonstrate confidence differently? Or does it even

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<v Speaker 2>look different?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that I suppose. I mean I've never considered

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<v Speaker 1>that before, but I think they're extroverts. Probably they feel

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<v Speaker 1>most comfortable when they can be social, when they can,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, make people feel comfortable in their space, make

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<v Speaker 1>them feel seen had They're good at conversation, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>getting a group to get there and you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>they just feel good in that environment. I think for

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<v Speaker 1>an introvert, it doesn't mean that it's really about having

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<v Speaker 1>a Like I said those words before, that quiet grounded confidence.

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<v Speaker 1>So you don't need to be the loudest in the

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<v Speaker 1>room because you don't need you're not trying to prove yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the really confidence isn't about proving yourself. It's

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<v Speaker 1>about knowing you're enough and not needing anyone else to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of validate that for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, why is it that we it feels so obvious,

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<v Speaker 2>like is there a healthy pursuit of validation or is

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<v Speaker 2>validation all bad?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that some Look, it's impossible to really think

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<v Speaker 1>that we're not going to want any validation at all, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>of course we do, and I think that we should

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<v Speaker 1>need some because we need to be like upstanding members

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<v Speaker 1>of society and respect other people. And also helps to

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<v Speaker 1>encourage us to strive to be better, to be better

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<v Speaker 1>in as people, as individuals, in our careers and our relationships,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So it is important to motivate us to

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<v Speaker 1>be the best that we can be, which is great.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think the problem is is where validation. Well, look,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say that let's start with this evolutionary we needed

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<v Speaker 1>to belong to be part to survive in a tribe, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it was really important for us to be

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<v Speaker 1>liked by other people or to you know, to be

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<v Speaker 1>part of something. What's happened in the modern day is

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<v Speaker 1>we've taken that kind of like evolutionary need to belong,

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<v Speaker 1>but instead of it being kind of important for our survival,

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<v Speaker 1>it's now how we determine how enough we are or

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<v Speaker 1>the measuring stick of which we kind of measure our worth.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I think that, you know, yes, we do

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<v Speaker 1>need some validation to keep us growing. But we've just

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<v Speaker 1>taken it so far that now other people's opinions matter

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<v Speaker 1>more to us than our own.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think you're so right that that switch

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<v Speaker 2>has gone from being does my class think, my trainers

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<v Speaker 2>or my sneakers a call to now everything is broadcast

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<v Speaker 2>to the whole world, and it's measured. So you got

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<v Speaker 2>ten likes on a post, and someone got twenty, and

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<v Speaker 2>someone got twenty million, and someone got twenty thousand, and

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<v Speaker 2>so you're so right that now that validation has become

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<v Speaker 2>a matter of net worth as well, and indicative of

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<v Speaker 2>how much attention you get, whereas before you're in your

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<v Speaker 2>classroom or even your tribe. Yeah, and you're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if I've got twenty people that are generally okay with me,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fine.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem with it as well is it changes our

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<v Speaker 1>self perception. Let's say that, and I know you love

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<v Speaker 1>that quote because I love it too, that I am

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<v Speaker 1>not who I think I am. I'm not who you

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<v Speaker 1>think I am. I'm who I think you think I am.

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<v Speaker 1>And I kind of explained it like this. So I

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<v Speaker 1>was still sat next to someone at dinner once and

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<v Speaker 1>she would an influencer, and she said, you know, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I'll post something that I really love on Instagram and

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't get any likes, and then I think that

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<v Speaker 1>that post is terrible. So you start with Let's say

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<v Speaker 1>you have a picture that you love of your family

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<v Speaker 1>and you think, this is such a beautiful picture. I

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<v Speaker 1>love it, and then you post it and it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>get that measure of like that you are expecting. So

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<v Speaker 1>it gets ten likes, let's say, and that for you

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't feel enough. And then instead of you thinking, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that just maybe not many people saw it today, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it was the algorithm, you actually start to question your

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<v Speaker 1>own decision. Why did I post that? Was it even

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<v Speaker 1>a good photo? And so actually, instead of thinking that

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<v Speaker 1>it's about anything else or there's any other reason for it,

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<v Speaker 1>you change your own perception of yourself or your own

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<v Speaker 1>opinion of yourself. And so I think that's where it's

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<v Speaker 1>really damaging, is that, Yeah, we don't just look for

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<v Speaker 1>external validation to guide us. We look for it to

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<v Speaker 1>tell us what we should think about ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's so good, And you made me think about

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<v Speaker 2>how we all post that caption of felt cute might

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<v Speaker 2>delete later, And it's like that idea of like I

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<v Speaker 2>felt I looked cute, so I posted this yes, And

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<v Speaker 2>now I'm going to see if everyone else felt I

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<v Speaker 2>like you, and if they don't, I might delete it later.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's that mindset that you're saying, where it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh no, but I thought I looked really good here, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wanted to share that, And now you're so right.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you're making me feel like I don't look good

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<v Speaker 2>in a picture I thought I looked good in, which

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<v Speaker 2>makes me feel even worse. What are some of the

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<v Speaker 2>other ways where does this show up? I love that

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<v Speaker 2>example that you just brought it to of posting a

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<v Speaker 2>picture of your family or this felt cute? Might delete later.

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<v Speaker 2>What are other things that you hear from people of

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<v Speaker 2>where we're seeing a lack of confidence show up? What

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<v Speaker 2>are people worried about? What are people scared about? What

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<v Speaker 2>are you hearing from people that you work with the

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<v Speaker 2>meat and when you're traveling, touring, speaking, what are you hearing?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh? I mean, I think that lack of confidence

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<v Speaker 1>shows up in every single area of our lives. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that you know the Obviously, my first book

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<v Speaker 1>was Manifest, which was Seven Steps to Living your Best

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<v Speaker 1>Life and it was that seven step guide and step

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<v Speaker 1>two is removed fearing doubt. And people would often say

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<v Speaker 1>to me, roxy the step I struggle with the most

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to manifesting, and to manifest we must

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<v Speaker 1>we can only manifest what we subconsciously believe we are

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<v Speaker 1>worthy of receiving. So it's all rooted in self worth,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why confidence is such a great extension to

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<v Speaker 1>my work. And people would always say, the hardest step

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<v Speaker 1>is step two, remove fearing doubt, because this insecurity, these

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<v Speaker 1>low self worth, this feeling of lack of confidence is

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<v Speaker 1>so embedded into us and into our kind of belief

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<v Speaker 1>system that really is the hardest thing to work on.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the hardest thing to undo. And so whether people

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<v Speaker 1>are looking for love, whether they're trying to grow within

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<v Speaker 1>their careers, whether they're trying to build on their own

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they're starting their own business, whatever area of

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<v Speaker 1>their life, it is usually the reason they're not fulfilling

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<v Speaker 1>their potential or growing in the way that they want

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<v Speaker 1>to is because of a lack of confidence. And what

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<v Speaker 1>I always think is really interesting with confidence is that

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<v Speaker 1>we always assume if we were sat in a group

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<v Speaker 1>of people, we would always assume that the person sat

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<v Speaker 1>next to us was free of it, that they are

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<v Speaker 1>so confident, we don't see their self doubt, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>see their insecurity. But actually, when I do my live

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<v Speaker 1>shows and I say, you know, to an audience of

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of people, and I'll say who here, I can

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<v Speaker 1>honestly say they are completely free from self doubt, insecurity,

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<v Speaker 1>or feelings of low self worth. Not one person will

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<v Speaker 1>raise their hand, And so you really start to understand

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<v Speaker 1>that this lack of confidence is a universal experience. It's

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<v Speaker 1>something that actually binds us all, and I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>so much vulnerability and connection to be found in kind

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<v Speaker 1>of sharing it a bit more with each other and

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<v Speaker 1>being more open about it. And it's also so comforting

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<v Speaker 1>because we remember that, you know, we are not seeing

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<v Speaker 1>what other people are going through mentally.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you feel that there's a difference between men and

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<v Speaker 2>women and how they experience confidence? Do you know?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that women have more pressures, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>think that we can assume that it's much harder for

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<v Speaker 1>women to feel confident, but I think it's harder for

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<v Speaker 1>men to express it. And so I also really feel

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<v Speaker 1>for men because I think as a group of women

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<v Speaker 1>it's much easier for us to go to each other

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<v Speaker 1>and say, oh god, I feel so gross today, or

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<v Speaker 1>oh god, you know, I really sucked up in that

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<v Speaker 1>meeting or whatever, And I think we give each other

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<v Speaker 1>more like therapy, whereas I assume, and I'm you know,

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<v Speaker 1>generalizing here, but men aren't as good as opening up

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<v Speaker 1>to each other about their insecurities, you know, it is

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, it's a really interesting thing to think about.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's a really like interesting observation because

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't say you're wrong. I think when my male friends,

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously because of my work and who I am,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess more men and me do have those types

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<v Speaker 2>of conversations. But in general, even when I have my

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<v Speaker 2>male friends being really open about something, it's hard, like

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<v Speaker 2>it comes with a very like this is a big thing,

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<v Speaker 2>Whereas I assume, as you're saying that, when you're talking

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<v Speaker 2>it's just chit chat and it's how you feel. Whereas

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<v Speaker 2>this is like, hey, I've got something to tell you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it's a moment of this is what I've

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<v Speaker 2>been struggling with. Yeah, and yeah, it feels a lot heavier,

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<v Speaker 2>and therefore it feels a lot heavier to that person

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<v Speaker 2>in sense as well. Your first chapter is called Master

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<v Speaker 2>your Thoughts. You're right, your mind can be your home

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<v Speaker 2>or your prison. You get to choose which. Talk to

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<v Speaker 2>me about how your mind can be a home or

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<v Speaker 2>a prison.

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<v Speaker 1>When we really think about what are the barriers to

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<v Speaker 1>confidence in a critic, I think everyone would agree is

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest one. And I think that what I've really

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<v Speaker 1>come to understand is how powerful our thoughts are, and

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<v Speaker 1>that our thoughts really do shape our reality. And the

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<v Speaker 1>reason for this is because thoughts become beliefs when they're

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<v Speaker 1>repeated so many times, and what we believe about ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>determines our whole experience of the world because it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>the filter through which you view everything. Every interaction, every experience,

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<v Speaker 1>everything is filtered through what you believe about yourself and

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<v Speaker 1>the world and then interpreted. And so for a really

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<v Speaker 1>clear example of this would be, let's say that you

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<v Speaker 1>were to hold a belief that you are naturally not

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<v Speaker 1>good with people. You have a belief that you're boring,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps you had a belief that you were bad at

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<v Speaker 1>making friends. You then go to a dinner party and

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<v Speaker 1>you meet someone new for the first time, and because

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<v Speaker 1>you hold this belief, the way that you interpret this

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<v Speaker 1>person's social caure use whether they you might really focus

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<v Speaker 1>on the fact that they look over your shoulder, you

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<v Speaker 1>may notice the fact that they didn't ask you a question,

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<v Speaker 1>but you really focus on the fact that they just

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<v Speaker 1>talked about themselves, and then you might really make the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that they walked away to talk to someone else

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<v Speaker 1>feel like this really big deal. And as a result

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<v Speaker 1>of the fact that you're viewing it through this lens

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<v Speaker 1>of I know, I'm not good with people, or I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not good at making new friends, what happens is you're

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<v Speaker 1>focusing on the wrong cues, and then you likely become

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<v Speaker 1>a bit defensive, and then you create a self fulfilling prophecy.

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<v Speaker 1>Whereas if somebody had a belief like, oh, I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>good with people, I'm great, I'm charismatic, people generally tend

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<v Speaker 1>to like me, you're going to have the exact same interaction.

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<v Speaker 1>You won't notice any of those cues, you won't misinterpret

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<v Speaker 1>it maybe a neutral expression as disinterest, and so you're

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<v Speaker 1>probably going to respond in a more positive way to

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<v Speaker 1>that person and be more open, and then you'll create

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<v Speaker 1>a reinforce that belief in yourself. And so this is

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<v Speaker 1>happening all all the time in our lives, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot easier for our brains to actually just find

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<v Speaker 1>evidence to support what we already believe, rather than kind

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<v Speaker 1>of find conflicting evidence and then have a new way

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<v Speaker 1>of thinking. And so our minds really are keeping us

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<v Speaker 1>stuck in these patterns. And I describe it like this

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<v Speaker 1>in the book. Imagine that you're a comedian on stage

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<v Speaker 1>and you're on stage and you're giving your set and

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<v Speaker 1>the audience are booing you, they're like, get off the stage,

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<v Speaker 1>and essentially they're heckling you. Now, that comedian on stage

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<v Speaker 1>is never going to be able to give their best performance,

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<v Speaker 1>right because they're going to feel self conscious, they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to feel nervous. They're going to be overthinking everything that's

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of their mouth, and so it's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be as relaxed. They might stumble on their words.

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<v Speaker 1>But if they were to go out and give the

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<v Speaker 1>same set and the audience was there cheering their like laughing,

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<v Speaker 1>they are going to be so much more likely to

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<v Speaker 1>give to deliver their best. Their jokes are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be funnier, they're going to remember things. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a fantastic show. Now, in our lives

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<v Speaker 1>day to day, we are heckling ourselves, and so how

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<v Speaker 1>do we expect ourselves to be able to put our

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<v Speaker 1>best foot forward? And so it's really about understanding that

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<v Speaker 1>our thoughts, which are then forming our beliefs, are having

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<v Speaker 1>so much influence over not only how we feel, but

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<v Speaker 1>who we become and you know, our whole lives. And

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<v Speaker 1>so being able to master your thoughts really is the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like first of these a steps to knowing

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<v Speaker 1>your worth.

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<v Speaker 2>That heckle is so real and it happens from the

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<v Speaker 2>moment you wake up, Like you wake up and you

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<v Speaker 2>look in the mirror and you go, I look so tired.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I've put on a bit of way. Oh whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it is, right, we all have our own version. I've

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<v Speaker 2>got gray hairs, whatever it is. And then after that

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, oh god, I'm late for work. And again

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<v Speaker 2>it's like everything and we do it to ourselves every

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<v Speaker 2>day all day. Or I shouldn't have spoken up in

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<v Speaker 2>that meaning, Oh I should have spoken up in that meaning.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I said something stupid in that meaning, Oh I

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<v Speaker 2>should have said more. Oh my, I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>get a promotion. Oh I don't deserve you know, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it is. It's just it's crazy how incessant it is. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like every tiny move it almost feels like

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<v Speaker 2>you think someone's watching you on the big screen and

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<v Speaker 2>analyzing you every move. And I wanted to ask you that,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the difference between self awareness and self criticism?

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<v Speaker 1>It's the intention behind it. I think that self awareness is,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean is about being able to say, let's

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<v Speaker 1>say you've gone into a meeting and you've given a presentation,

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<v Speaker 1>and afterwards and during the presentation, maybe you do mess up,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you don't say the right thing, maybe it's not

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<v Speaker 1>your best performance. And afterwards, if you were to come out,

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<v Speaker 1>self criticism would sound like, oh, you're such an idiot,

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<v Speaker 1>why did you do that? Typical that you would. You're

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<v Speaker 1>never going to get it. You've messed up. Self awareness

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<v Speaker 1>is you know what? That wasn't your best But how

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<v Speaker 1>can we improve for the next time? You know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of there's a different way of approaching it

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<v Speaker 1>because confidence is also not about ignoring all your flaws.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not about just saying, oh my god, I'm just perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>How I am. You know. I have a quote in

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<v Speaker 1>the book where I say confidence is knowing that you're

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<v Speaker 1>a masterpiece and a work in progress at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>And so self awareness is important as humans we need

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<v Speaker 1>to be growing and evolving. But it's how can you

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<v Speaker 1>actually notice perhaps your flaws, perhaps areas where you could

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<v Speaker 1>be better and do better, but approach it in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that feels really compassionate, That feels because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in that compassion, you're actually giving yourself the best opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about a child, right If you want a child

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<v Speaker 1>to learn a new skill, you're not going to go

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<v Speaker 1>and just break them. You know, when I'm teaching Wolf maths,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm like, oh, you idiot, how didn't you get that,

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to be like I forget it, I think

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<v Speaker 1>he would be traumatized and he'd never he'd hate maths

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<v Speaker 1>for all the rest of his life. And yet that's

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<v Speaker 1>how we talk to ourselves all the time. We're just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, telling ourselves, we're just mean. We're mean to ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is so exhausting. And I know that so

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<v Speaker 1>many people listening are just tired. They're just tired of

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<v Speaker 1>constantly being in this battle with themselves and you just

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<v Speaker 1>get to a point and you're like, I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to live like this anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, it's so right.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's interesting because we always say like you should

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<v Speaker 2>talk to yourself as you talk to a friend, that

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<v Speaker 2>it's almost like talk to yourself like you talk to

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<v Speaker 2>a child. Yeah, because from what you just said Wolf

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<v Speaker 2>like teaching him maths. It's like there's a inner child

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<v Speaker 2>inside every single one of us that is lacking in confidence,

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<v Speaker 2>that was criticized and was heckled while they were growing up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not even talking to a friend, it's talking to

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<v Speaker 2>this younger person inside of yourself and your younger self

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<v Speaker 2>and saying, yeah, it's okay that you're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>mess right now, like you know you wouldn't you would,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what you'd say to you. Yeah, And you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>tell them to get his act together or grow up

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<v Speaker 2>or you should get it by now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's hard. It's really difficult when you are familiar

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<v Speaker 1>with the inner critic. It is really challenging at first

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to actually pause on the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like spiraling thoughts and speak to yourself kindly. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>when I if I ask people like, I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to just repeat inside your head, like I love who

0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:53.280
<v Speaker 1>I am, I am so thoughtful, I'm such a good friend,

0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm so proud of everything I've achieved. A lot of

0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:00.720
<v Speaker 1>people will not even say it inside their heads, even

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<v Speaker 1>though no one else can hear them, because they feel cringe.

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<v Speaker 1>They feel like it's embarrassing, and that's how uncomfortable it

0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:09.840
<v Speaker 1>is for most people. So I really don't want people

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<v Speaker 1>to think that. I assume it's really easy to change

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<v Speaker 1>from having this in a critic to this kind and

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<v Speaker 1>a cheerleader. But it is absolutely possible, and with practice,

0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:23.480
<v Speaker 1>it becomes more comfortable and it becomes easier. And so

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<v Speaker 1>there's a actually there's a journaling prompt i'd love people

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<v Speaker 1>to try. I used it in my Manifest daily journal,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's my favorite journal prompt and it's a motivational

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<v Speaker 1>message from my higher self and every morning, I just

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<v Speaker 1>would love people to try this. Just write down a

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<v Speaker 1>kind message to yourself, because what it's going to do

0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:47.760
<v Speaker 1>is it's going to get you. Help you really get

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<v Speaker 1>to know that kind of voice and really give it

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<v Speaker 1>more power, give it a character, give it space in

0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:56.359
<v Speaker 1>your mind. And so when I started doing this practice myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I would write something really generic, like you got this right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then as I started getting more used to it,

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<v Speaker 1>I would write things. Let's say I was nervous for

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<v Speaker 1>something that day, I'd write something like today is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be great. You worked really hard for this, do

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<v Speaker 1>your best. Or if there was something I was really

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<v Speaker 1>excited for that day, I'd say, go and enjoy every second.

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<v Speaker 1>You deserve to be there. You know, this is part

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<v Speaker 1>of your journey or whatever it was. And so I

0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:25.480
<v Speaker 1>think that this can be a really powerful prompt for

0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:28.000
<v Speaker 1>those people who think that I just don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>where to start with talking to myself, like my and

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<v Speaker 1>a child or like a friend, this can just help

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<v Speaker 1>you get to know their voice.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I really like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's what we have to understand, is

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<v Speaker 2>that even that in a critic is not us. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just a rehearsed, habituated, conditioned voice that you've just practiced.

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<v Speaker 2>So you've practiced that voice your whole life that says

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<v Speaker 2>you're a loser, you're not great, you're not enough, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not good, whatever it is, and if you start practicing

0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:14.119
<v Speaker 2>another voice, that will change. Yeah, And that for me

0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:18.600
<v Speaker 2>was always massively helpful in recognizing that you could change

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much anything and everything if you wanted to, and

0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:25.240
<v Speaker 2>if you chose to, because all you were living out

0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:29.240
<v Speaker 2>was a habit and you weren't living out your destiny

0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:31.240
<v Speaker 2>as it as if and that's what we believe. We

0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:33.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of believe like I'm born like this and this

0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:35.520
<v Speaker 2>is what I have and this is what I'm living with.

0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:38.480
<v Speaker 2>And really what you're saying is no, if you master

0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:41.119
<v Speaker 2>your thoughts, yes, you can change your beliefs, and therefore

0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:42.280
<v Speaker 2>you can change your reality.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the idea of a motivational message from your

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<v Speaker 2>higher self, because that's even beyond being kinder to yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really saying, well, let's live your life from this.

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<v Speaker 3>Point of view. Yeah, and how that changes everything.

0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:57.480
<v Speaker 2>And it's almost like even if you went one day

0:23:57.560 --> 0:23:59.679
<v Speaker 2>living like that, Like even if you could just do

0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:03.320
<v Speaker 2>twenty four hours of talking to yourself and looking at

0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:06.879
<v Speaker 2>your life through your motivational message through your higher self,

0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:09.240
<v Speaker 2>I feel, wow, I could accomplish so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah if I just lived up there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, yeah, so I have this great, great tool. Actually,

0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:18.679
<v Speaker 1>So if we think about our higher self, like, what

0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:21.680
<v Speaker 1>really is that higher self? For me. It's your most

0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:26.280
<v Speaker 1>empowered self, It's the best you. And if you're struggling

0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:28.200
<v Speaker 1>to kind of think about that version, what I would

0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:30.520
<v Speaker 1>say is close your eyes and I want you to

0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:32.800
<v Speaker 1>really think about you one year from now. And I

0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:35.840
<v Speaker 1>want you to allow all your fears and doubts to

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<v Speaker 1>just sit by the side like you don't need them now,

0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:39.679
<v Speaker 1>set them aside for now, and I want you to imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>one year from now, who is the best me that

0:24:41.880 --> 0:24:44.720
<v Speaker 1>I could be? Who would I love to become? And

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<v Speaker 1>really get to know that version of you? How would

0:24:46.600 --> 0:24:48.520
<v Speaker 1>they walk into a room, how would they walk out

0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:51.680
<v Speaker 1>of it? How do they feel about themselves? How do

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<v Speaker 1>how do they interact with the people in their lives?

0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:58.080
<v Speaker 1>How do they feel when they're at work? And you

0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:01.080
<v Speaker 1>really start to get this really clear idea of who

0:25:01.160 --> 0:25:05.199
<v Speaker 1>is the best you and that is your higher self?

0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:08.200
<v Speaker 1>And then how do you start to bring that version

0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 1>of you to life day to day? While you can

0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:12.239
<v Speaker 1>do it in every decision that you make, because from

0:25:12.280 --> 0:25:13.879
<v Speaker 1>the minute we wake up to the minute we go

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<v Speaker 1>to bed, we make hundreds thousands of decisions, and really

0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:19.800
<v Speaker 1>our life is just a culmination of all the decisions

0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:22.800
<v Speaker 1>that we make. Right the choices that we make, and

0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:26.280
<v Speaker 1>before every decision, before every choice, I want everybody listening

0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:29.200
<v Speaker 1>to just ask themselves one question, what would my higher

0:25:29.280 --> 0:25:32.040
<v Speaker 1>self do? And I want you to, like you said,

0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:35.080
<v Speaker 1>try one day living like this should I would they

0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:38.840
<v Speaker 1>snooze their alarm? What would they eat for breakfast? Do

0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:41.600
<v Speaker 1>they reply to this person? Do they say yes to

0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:43.479
<v Speaker 1>this thing they don't want to do? How do they

0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:45.840
<v Speaker 1>go into work? What's their body language like today?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think when you start to realize that actually

0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 1>your higher self already exists, you just need to bring

0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:54.680
<v Speaker 1>that version of you to life. I think it can

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<v Speaker 1>be so empowering.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love that advice. It's it's yeah, it's such

0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:01.600
<v Speaker 2>a it's simple. Well, we can all do it, and

0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:04.920
<v Speaker 2>it is just practicing, it's rehearsing. I think we don't

0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 2>realize that we're all we've all been acting just with

0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:12.440
<v Speaker 2>really negative lines, and we've learned them and rehearsed them

0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:15.439
<v Speaker 2>for so long, and we've got to start acting like

0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:18.720
<v Speaker 2>that higher self to access it. And that's what's so interesting.

0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:22.840
<v Speaker 2>I love what you said that it's already there, but

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:24.800
<v Speaker 2>in order to access it, you have to act it.

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:25.520
<v Speaker 3>You have to be it.

0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:27.119
<v Speaker 2>You have to live it, you have to practice it,

0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 2>and then you go, oh wow, I do have that ability. Yeah,

0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:31.720
<v Speaker 2>it's what you were saying earlier, that if you went

0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:34.639
<v Speaker 2>in and gave your presentation as if someone who was

0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:37.840
<v Speaker 2>really comfortable, all of a sudden, you might actually notice

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:40.720
<v Speaker 2>you have other skills that you didn't even know you had. Yeah,

0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:43.119
<v Speaker 2>and when you're being scared about oh am I funny

0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 2>enough or am I clever enough? For that just boils

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:49.960
<v Speaker 2>up everything else inside of you and dissipates. I wanted

0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:51.719
<v Speaker 2>to skip to step three because I want to be able

0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:54.320
<v Speaker 2>to read the book. The book's called Confidence, eight steps

0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:56.960
<v Speaker 2>knowing your worth and picking my favorite steps, and I

0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:58.439
<v Speaker 2>want you to get the book to read the steps

0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:01.760
<v Speaker 2>in between. I love the step stop trying to be

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:04.880
<v Speaker 2>liked by everybody. My favorite this Yeah, this is my

0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 2>favorite step too, because it's such an addiction and I

0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:10.960
<v Speaker 2>had it for such a long time and it of

0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:12.919
<v Speaker 2>course we all still deal with it, so it's not

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:15.399
<v Speaker 2>like I'm beyond it at all, but I remember it

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 2>having such a hold of my life that I couldn't

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 2>be authentic. And that's what's so interesting is that we

0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:28.240
<v Speaker 2>think that the people that are liked by everyone are authentic.

0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:31.159
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes the people who are liked by everyone are the

0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:33.959
<v Speaker 2>people who tell you that they've just been wearing a

0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:38.840
<v Speaker 2>mask and hiding their boundaries and ignoring their feelings about

0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 2>how they feel around people. And actually the person who

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:44.119
<v Speaker 2>says no, or the person who says I'm really sorry,

0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:46.080
<v Speaker 2>I love you, but I can't make it, or the

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.120
<v Speaker 2>person who says, hey, I wish it could be there

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:50.720
<v Speaker 2>for you, but it's not possible, they're actually being honest

0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:54.560
<v Speaker 2>and authentic because they're not bending and molding themselves to

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 2>get you to like them. So when you say stop

0:27:56.800 --> 0:27:59.880
<v Speaker 2>trying to be liked by everybody, you said stop trying

0:27:59.920 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 2>to be like everyone you don't even like everyone.

0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:05.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I love that, Like, I was like, that's

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:06.160
<v Speaker 3>so good.

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:08.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was a quote I found on Instagram. I

0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:09.840
<v Speaker 1>don't know who said it. Yeah, stop trying to be

0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 1>liked by everyone, you don't even like everyone. It's so good.

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:16.240
<v Speaker 1>It's how the step starts. And look this for me

0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:20.680
<v Speaker 1>is I just love this step. It was the most

0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:25.560
<v Speaker 1>liberating step in my own journey, and I think will

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:28.439
<v Speaker 1>also be for most people listening, because again, we talk

0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:30.800
<v Speaker 1>about the barriers to confidence. So one is of course

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:33.159
<v Speaker 1>the inn a critic, right, that loud voice that is

0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:35.560
<v Speaker 1>just telling you you're not good enough. That's stopping you

0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:38.400
<v Speaker 1>from putting your best foot forward. But the other is

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:42.520
<v Speaker 1>this constant concern of what will someone else think? And

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:44.840
<v Speaker 1>this is holding us back in so many ways, whether

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:49.720
<v Speaker 1>it's creating people pleasing behavior, it's stopping ourselves, stopping us

0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:52.800
<v Speaker 1>putting ourselves out there taking risks because we have fear

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:57.320
<v Speaker 1>of judgment and shame. You know, there's so many things

0:28:57.000 --> 0:29:00.960
<v Speaker 1>that it's ruining for us, really, and so I've come

0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 1>up in the book with these four essential truths and

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:06.000
<v Speaker 1>I really love them, so I'm should we just go through?

0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:10.800
<v Speaker 1>So the first essential truth is nobody is really thinking

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:12.840
<v Speaker 1>about us as much as we think they are. So

0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:15.760
<v Speaker 1>there's this thing called the spotlight effect where we assume

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 1>that people are perceiving our flaws as much as we are,

0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:21.200
<v Speaker 1>but they're not. So let's say you have a spot

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 1>on your face and you are convinced everybody's staring at

0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:26.160
<v Speaker 1>it and they're probably just not. Or maybe you're in

0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:28.120
<v Speaker 1>the gym and you do your workout wrong or you

0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:30.000
<v Speaker 1>drop your weight and you think, oh my god, everyone

0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 1>has seen it again. They just don't. People don't perceive

0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:38.640
<v Speaker 1>what you perceive. And I think that also, you know,

0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 1>when we're really honest with ourselves, nobody is tuning in

0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:45.640
<v Speaker 1>to the next episode of your life. They just don't care.

0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:48.960
<v Speaker 1>They really don't. And be comforted in that. You know,

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:53.120
<v Speaker 1>sometimes I see people on I don't I don't mean

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:55.200
<v Speaker 1>this in like a mean way, but people will say

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 1>on Instagram and I'll see them apologizing like, oh, I'm

0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:01.560
<v Speaker 1>so sorry, guys, so genuine apology. You know I haven't

0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 1>shown up online, and I'm like, you do not need

0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:08.720
<v Speaker 1>to apologize. I'm certain no one noticed. And I don't

0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:10.640
<v Speaker 1>mean that in a mean way. I mean, and give

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:13.640
<v Speaker 1>yourself a break. If you want to be offline, be offline,

0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 1>like you don't need to feel bad about it, Like,

0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 1>do that for yourself. So no one's really thinking about

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:20.160
<v Speaker 1>you as much as as we think they are. The

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 1>second is you never really know what people are actually

0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:25.240
<v Speaker 1>thinking of you. So I want to give you a

0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 1>quick story of this where this is when I first

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:30.920
<v Speaker 1>really realized this myself. So you're a public speaker, so

0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:35.040
<v Speaker 1>you know that when you give performances on stage and

0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 1>people are listening to you. When people are listening and

0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:43.120
<v Speaker 1>they're concentrating, they look like they are intensely bored or

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:49.720
<v Speaker 1>they hate your people's resting expressions are not warm in general.

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:52.080
<v Speaker 1>And when I first went on stage, it was my

0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:54.479
<v Speaker 1>first ever workshop. I didn't know this, and so I

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 1>went on stage and I was, you know, really nervous anyway,

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:00.880
<v Speaker 1>because I'd never done it before. I stepping outside my

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:04.520
<v Speaker 1>comfort zone. And I remember this particular woman and she

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:08.400
<v Speaker 1>was wearing this pink track suit and she honestly looked

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:13.320
<v Speaker 1>like I had just insulted her children, like she clearly

0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:16.800
<v Speaker 1>couldn't stand me. And you know, we have a negative bias,

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:19.880
<v Speaker 1>and I was focusing my attention on this woman, and

0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:22.600
<v Speaker 1>after the interval, I honestly couldn't believe that she'd come back.

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.640
<v Speaker 1>And anyway, I managed to get through the rest of

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:29.600
<v Speaker 1>the show. And that was an assassday. And on the Monday,

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:33.560
<v Speaker 1>I got an email and it said, Hierroxy, I came

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:36.640
<v Speaker 1>to your show. I absolutely loved it, and I was

0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 1>wondering if you did one to one coaching. I don't

0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:40.040
<v Speaker 1>know if you remember me, but I was wearing the

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 1>pink track suit aha, and I was like, ah, yes,

0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, you really never know what somebody is thinking.

0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:51.440
<v Speaker 1>And I think that we can take someone's let's say

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 1>they're directing an email or they don't reply to a

0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:56.080
<v Speaker 1>What I mean, how many people listening have had their

0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:59.120
<v Speaker 1>friends not message them back and they're convinced they hate

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:01.680
<v Speaker 1>them or have I done wrong and then only for

0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:03.720
<v Speaker 1>them to be like, oh god, sorry I was so busy,

0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:07.000
<v Speaker 1>or sorry this happened. You know, we just really never know,

0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:11.400
<v Speaker 1>and so let's just stop putting narratives that put ourselves

0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:13.160
<v Speaker 1>in this kind of disadvantage.

0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:15.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's fascinating to hear that. The first step is

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 2>no one's really thinking about you, yeah, and the second

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 2>is you.

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:23.040
<v Speaker 3>Have no idea what they are thinking. Yeah. Brilliant, and

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:23.920
<v Speaker 3>it reminded me.

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 2>I remember when I was at university, we were learning

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:31.320
<v Speaker 2>a case study about the acrobatics and performance company circ Disilay.

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I love it. Yeah.

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:33.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 2>So for anyone who's seen Circuit's this crazy like jumping

0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:41.960
<v Speaker 2>through fire hoops, dancing acrobatics, like spinning around on a

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, something suspended from the air, like it's unbelievable,

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 2>and they would go and travel across the world and

0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:50.360
<v Speaker 2>they'd have acrobats from all over the world. Whenever they'd

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:55.200
<v Speaker 2>perform in America, when they'd do a triple flip and

0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:58.440
<v Speaker 2>fall through a hoop of fire and land on their feet,

0:32:58.720 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 2>the audience.

0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 3>Would go bel like they would.

0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Be like cheering and like, you know, just like full on,

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:07.920
<v Speaker 2>just like pandemonium, right, the audience would go crazy. And

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:11.520
<v Speaker 2>then when they'd go to Asia, the audience would just

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:15.320
<v Speaker 2>do a small tap in their hands. And so this

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 2>person's just like literally jumped through three hoops of fire,

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:21.000
<v Speaker 2>a triple backflip, like done the most crazy thing, and

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 2>they get this small tap. And they found that their

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 2>acrobats would get really like you were saying in your

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 2>own they would get really self conscious and think they

0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:32.400
<v Speaker 2>did a bad job. So they'd go to circ and

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:34.719
<v Speaker 2>be like I think I did really bad today, Like

0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:36.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't think we did a good job today. They'd

0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:39.920
<v Speaker 2>get really disheartened. Their performance would lack the next day.

0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:43.360
<v Speaker 2>So CIRQ started engaging I don't know if they still

0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:45.800
<v Speaker 2>do this, but at the time they started engaging companies

0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:51.080
<v Speaker 2>to train them in how different cultures show praise. Wow,

0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 2>because all cultures show praise differently. So some parts of

0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:57.520
<v Speaker 2>Asia they loved it, but the way they showed praise

0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:00.000
<v Speaker 2>was more muted, whereas in America the way they shoul

0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:03.360
<v Speaker 2>praise was really big and bold. And obviously the UK

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 2>would show praise different in Europe would. And so this

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:08.000
<v Speaker 2>idea also of just like this woman in this pink,

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:09.880
<v Speaker 2>pink sweatsuit.

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:12.280
<v Speaker 1>But it's also exactly what we were saying before about

0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:15.759
<v Speaker 1>how encouragement helps you perform better. Yes, so the fact

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 1>that they their you know, acrobatics was kind of deteriorating

0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 1>slightly because they weren't getting the encouragement that they needed.

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:28.359
<v Speaker 1>And I think we naturally need encouragement and that needs

0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:29.440
<v Speaker 1>to start with ourselves.

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, exactly, and I think we all know that.

0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:36.120
<v Speaker 2>We all know the days also just to show how

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 2>external validation also doesn't carry us and what you're saying

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 2>about the voice in your head. We all know days

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:45.840
<v Speaker 2>where everyone keeps telling you you're amazing and you don't

0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:48.440
<v Speaker 2>feel it. Ye, it doesn't matter how many people tell

0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:51.840
<v Speaker 2>you you look amazing, you feel amazing, you're doing amazing

0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:54.759
<v Speaker 2>when you don't feel it, because when you don't feel it,

0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:58.160
<v Speaker 2>all of that just doesn't matter. But then when you

0:34:58.200 --> 0:35:01.360
<v Speaker 2>feel it inside, even if someone said, you didn't do amazing,

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:03.720
<v Speaker 2>you can still feel confident in yourself.

0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 1>So the third truth is you can't please all the

0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:08.640
<v Speaker 1>people all the time. My mom used to say that

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:12.760
<v Speaker 1>to me growing up. And when I first started getting

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 1>into this work, I remember thinking, you know, I was

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 1>a self confessed addict a year ago, and now I'm

0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:26.520
<v Speaker 1>trying to speak about self development, like who is gonna

0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:28.719
<v Speaker 1>like what are people going to think? They're going to

0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 1>think I'm a joke, Like, they're not going to take

0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:33.719
<v Speaker 1>me seriously, They're going to think I'm too young, They're

0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:35.959
<v Speaker 1>going to think this or that. And I remember finding

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:39.880
<v Speaker 1>it really challenging because you know, it was stopping me

0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:43.000
<v Speaker 1>doing what I really wanted to pursue. And then I

0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:46.359
<v Speaker 1>thought about the people that inspired me, whether that was

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:51.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, Brene Brown, Tony Robbins, you you know, all

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:55.239
<v Speaker 1>these amazing celebrities I followed, whatever, and I thought, you

0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 1>know what, of all those people, there are loads of

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:04.799
<v Speaker 1>people who all so share my admiration and you know,

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:08.840
<v Speaker 1>love and you know and all of that, but equally

0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:13.239
<v Speaker 1>there are also people that don't. And then I thought, well, wait,

0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:17.560
<v Speaker 1>that's true for everyone I know that famous or not famous,

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 1>there are people that like them and people that just don't.

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 1>They just don't get them. And for me, I suddenly

0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:30.200
<v Speaker 1>realize like nobody on Earth is universally liked nobody, And

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:33.920
<v Speaker 1>that was so freeing because I was like, oh, Okay, well,

0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:36.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't need to keep trying. I don't need to

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:41.240
<v Speaker 1>be in pursuit of this thing, which is that everybody

0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:43.080
<v Speaker 1>will like me. I just want and I hear that

0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:45.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot from people. I just want everyone to like me.

0:36:45.880 --> 0:36:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Really yeah, And I think it's something that I hear

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:50.920
<v Speaker 1>people say time and time again. It's like, soon you

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 1>realize that that's never going to happen, the better look,

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:55.080
<v Speaker 1>and so really, I think the best thing you can

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:58.799
<v Speaker 1>do is just be who you like, whilst respecting and

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:03.040
<v Speaker 1>being a kind, you know, human, but know that there's

0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:04.920
<v Speaker 1>never going to be an opportunity for you to be

0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:09.000
<v Speaker 1>everybody's cup of tea, right, And then that kind of

0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:13.360
<v Speaker 1>brings me to the fourth truth, which is it's not personal.

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:15.560
<v Speaker 1>And the way I think of it is like this,

0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:19.080
<v Speaker 1>everything in the universe is energy, and we are all

0:37:19.200 --> 0:37:22.200
<v Speaker 1>energy too, and we have all met thousands of people

0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 1>in our lifetime, and aren't there just a few that

0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:28.200
<v Speaker 1>you just clicked with instantly, like you couldn't say why,

0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:32.120
<v Speaker 1>you just felt this instant bond, this connection. And probably

0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:34.560
<v Speaker 1>most people listening will have someone in their life that

0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:37.360
<v Speaker 1>they can say, I have no idea why we're friends.

0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:41.880
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea why we're together. We just click,

0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:46.120
<v Speaker 1>but we're so different in every way. And for me,

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:48.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, it's energy, and just in the way

0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 1>that there are people that you absolutely just click with

0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:53.120
<v Speaker 1>and you can't say why. There are people that you

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 1>just don't energetically, you just don't vibe. And you might

0:37:57.239 --> 0:37:59.520
<v Speaker 1>have a friend that has another friend and you meet

0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:01.719
<v Speaker 1>them for the first time and you're like, what were they?

0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:05.000
<v Speaker 1>What are they? Start statura as first for right, and

0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:08.719
<v Speaker 1>when you see things as energy, you are so much

0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:11.160
<v Speaker 1>more able to stop taking it personally. It's not if

0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:13.120
<v Speaker 1>you don't get on with someone, it's not about you,

0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:15.560
<v Speaker 1>and it's not about then you're just not the right match.

0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 1>And this is so helpful in all situations in our life,

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:23.360
<v Speaker 1>whether it's at work, because there will be some colleagues

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 1>you get on with, some you don't. You just rob

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:27.520
<v Speaker 1>each other the wrong way. But it's also so good

0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 1>with dating. So for people who are dating who you

0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:33.800
<v Speaker 1>know when you go in too dating? I mean, dating

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:36.720
<v Speaker 1>is so triggering anyway on our confidence and self worth.

0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:40.240
<v Speaker 1>But you know, it's so when we go into dates,

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:42.440
<v Speaker 1>we always go in with this mindset of you know,

0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:44.680
<v Speaker 1>I really hope they like me right. And I always

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:46.120
<v Speaker 1>think you should actually be going in and saying, I

0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:49.720
<v Speaker 1>really hope I like them right. But if it doesn't

0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:52.000
<v Speaker 1>work out, if there isn't a second date, it's so

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:54.440
<v Speaker 1>easy for us to just go what was wrong with me?

0:38:54.920 --> 0:38:56.880
<v Speaker 1>And it's said, I just want people to adopt this

0:38:57.040 --> 0:39:00.840
<v Speaker 1>mentality of it just wasn't an energetic face, It's just

0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 1>not personal, And I think it's just so helpful to

0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:06.000
<v Speaker 1>adopt that mindset.

0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:10.320
<v Speaker 2>What's the difference between people pleasing and making people happy?

0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:16.200
<v Speaker 1>Wanting to make people happy and to bring happiness into

0:39:16.200 --> 0:39:22.759
<v Speaker 1>people's lives is full of I think it comes from

0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:26.880
<v Speaker 1>It can come from a confident place, a place of

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 1>I have so much love that I want to share

0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:32.000
<v Speaker 1>it with the people around me, So it comes from

0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:36.480
<v Speaker 1>a place of worth, whereas people pleasing actually comes from

0:39:36.520 --> 0:39:40.799
<v Speaker 1>a place of low self worth. People pleasing is I

0:39:40.960 --> 0:39:44.760
<v Speaker 1>have to please others because I'm not worthy of putting myself. First.

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:47.440
<v Speaker 1>I have to please others because I need them to

0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:51.439
<v Speaker 1>like me. I have to please others because I need

0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:55.680
<v Speaker 1>to I need to be enough. And so I think, yeah,

0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:58.560
<v Speaker 1>I think making people happy can come comes from a

0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:01.839
<v Speaker 1>place of worth, and people pleasing comes from a lack

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:02.600
<v Speaker 1>of self worth.

0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:03.359
<v Speaker 3>That's so good.

0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:06.319
<v Speaker 2>That's such a great answer, because I think sometimes we think, oh,

0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:08.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm just not going to care what anyone thinks. Yeah,

0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:10.040
<v Speaker 2>And I always hear both, right, You hear one end

0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:11.799
<v Speaker 2>of the spectrum. It's like, I wish everyone liked me.

0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:14.000
<v Speaker 2>The other end is well, I don't care what anyone thinks.

0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, well, neither of those are real or true,

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:20.200
<v Speaker 2>because you can't just not care. If everyone just didn't

0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:23.080
<v Speaker 2>care what anyone thought, by the way, there'd be no

0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:27.799
<v Speaker 2>need for art or music or philosophy or anything because

0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:30.160
<v Speaker 2>we wouldn't care what anyone thought. So no one would

0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:32.520
<v Speaker 2>listen to this podcast, and no one would read a

0:40:32.520 --> 0:40:34.400
<v Speaker 2>book ever, no one would watch a movie because we

0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:37.239
<v Speaker 2>don't care what anyone thinks. Yeah, and no one would

0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:39.840
<v Speaker 2>ever do that for us, so we'd lose so much connection.

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:43.279
<v Speaker 2>So caring is important. But I love what you said

0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:47.480
<v Speaker 2>about how when it's really about making people happy, it's

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:50.560
<v Speaker 2>actually about them. And when it's about people pleasing, it's

0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:53.200
<v Speaker 2>all about you and it was never about them. You're

0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:55.880
<v Speaker 2>doing that so that they think you're a nice person,

0:40:56.520 --> 0:40:58.640
<v Speaker 2>whereas when you're just trying to make someone happy, it's

0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:01.160
<v Speaker 2>because you're nice who you are or your kind, and

0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:03.439
<v Speaker 2>that's who you are, and it says so much more

0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:05.919
<v Speaker 2>about who you are and how you want to live.

0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:10.000
<v Speaker 2>And when I think about this idea of being liked

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 2>by everybody, there's also a part of us roxy that

0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:14.800
<v Speaker 2>doesn't want that friction.

0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:18.320
<v Speaker 3>A lot of it's just conflict.

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:21.080
<v Speaker 2>Avoidance, where we want people to like us, not because

0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:23.279
<v Speaker 2>we so need them to like us, but because we

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 2>just don't want to.

0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:25.160
<v Speaker 3>Have friction with anyone.

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:28.879
<v Speaker 2>And what you said, which I appreciate, is actually it's

0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:33.560
<v Speaker 2>about energy, and there's so much if you if everyone

0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:35.279
<v Speaker 2>liked you and you liked everyone, they would not be

0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:38.520
<v Speaker 2>that special friend, They would not be that loving partner.

0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:41.480
<v Speaker 2>There wouldn't be that memory that you have in a

0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:43.920
<v Speaker 2>sibling or someone because if you liked everyone and everyone

0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:46.200
<v Speaker 2>liked you, you didn't get that magic.

0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's so true. Love you said it.

0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:53.040
<v Speaker 3>The energy you said about energy made me think of it.

0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:55.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like there are you said there were certain people

0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:58.520
<v Speaker 2>you just click with you it makes that person so special.

0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:01.480
<v Speaker 2>If you ever liked you and you liked everyone, know that

0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:02.880
<v Speaker 2>they're just another person.

0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:05.759
<v Speaker 1>It's such I love the way you've just phrased it, Like,

0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:10.279
<v Speaker 1>because everything you need, you need duality in life, Like

0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:13.799
<v Speaker 1>we need challenges and dark days so we appreciate the

0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:16.960
<v Speaker 1>good days. We were talking earlier about habituation, right, how

0:42:17.000 --> 0:42:20.560
<v Speaker 1>we become desensitized to things, and if we just got

0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:23.880
<v Speaker 1>on with everyone in our life, we would be desensitized

0:42:23.920 --> 0:42:27.279
<v Speaker 1>to the feeling of getting on with people. So it's

0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:30.680
<v Speaker 1>like you need to have people that you maybe don't

0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:32.960
<v Speaker 1>vibe the most with exactly as you say, to really

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:34.280
<v Speaker 1>appreciate the ones you do.

0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to really experience the magic of connection. Oh yeah,

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:40.040
<v Speaker 2>we have something special, Like you would never say that. Yes,

0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:41.799
<v Speaker 2>if everyone liked you and you liked everyone.

0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:43.800
<v Speaker 3>You can never say we have something special.

0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:51.719
<v Speaker 1>Yes. It's like, okay, if you date someone, I was

0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 1>just thinking an Aquarius specifically, but no, there are some

0:42:56.719 --> 0:42:59.680
<v Speaker 1>people Okay, forget the date thing, but there are some

0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:02.600
<v Speaker 1>people people who are just friends with everyone you know

0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:05.640
<v Speaker 1>and I know people like this who are such social butterflies,

0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:09.480
<v Speaker 1>but they don't have those one or two really special

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:12.120
<v Speaker 1>and deep connections. And I wonder if that's kind of

0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:13.160
<v Speaker 1>part of the same thing.

0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, because they get along with everyone, yes, relationship, Yeah,

0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:21.560
<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't it doesn't feel you, It doesn't feel you. Well,

0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:23.200
<v Speaker 2>I was going to ask you about that though, for

0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:25.920
<v Speaker 2>those of us who just don't want conflict and you

0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:27.600
<v Speaker 2>just don't want to get into it, someone like, oh,

0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:29.759
<v Speaker 2>why can't we just have peace? And like everyone, how

0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:34.320
<v Speaker 2>do you deal with that rejection, that conflict, that feeling

0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:35.600
<v Speaker 2>of that person doesn't like me.

0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:36.799
<v Speaker 3>What do you do with that?

0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Because of course there is a feeling of I feel rejected,

0:43:40.400 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 2>I feel outed, they didn't invite me.

0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:43.759
<v Speaker 3>What do you do with that?

0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:47.480
<v Speaker 1>I think it just comes down to acceptance, like that

0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:53.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of idea of radical acceptance, right, because I think that, yes,

0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:58.080
<v Speaker 1>rejection is hard, right, and it's challenging, and it tests

0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:01.799
<v Speaker 1>the foundation of our confidence, right because it's really you know,

0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:06.359
<v Speaker 1>it's it's a horrible thing to experience and everybody's gone

0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:10.040
<v Speaker 1>through it. But I truly believe that you can learn

0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:13.919
<v Speaker 1>to deal with rejection in a way that doesn't lead

0:44:13.920 --> 0:44:17.080
<v Speaker 1>to this like great discomfort. And I think you can

0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:20.000
<v Speaker 1>deal with somebody just not really liking you without it

0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:23.680
<v Speaker 1>becoming something that you constantly overthink or ruminate on. And

0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 1>that just comes from this mindset of it doesn't make

0:44:29.239 --> 0:44:32.600
<v Speaker 1>it about me. I can't really know what really is

0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:35.880
<v Speaker 1>going on for them. And there's that I can't remember

0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:38.560
<v Speaker 1>what the quote is you might remember about how our perceptions,

0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:42.040
<v Speaker 1>what people think of us is not really to do

0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:45.920
<v Speaker 1>with us. It's to do with them. It's their own experiences,

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:50.240
<v Speaker 1>their own wounds, their own you know, all their past things,

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:53.560
<v Speaker 1>and you know, perhaps you remind them of someone in

0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:56.560
<v Speaker 1>their life that hurt them in the past. Like there's

0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:59.120
<v Speaker 1>just so many different factors to us to it. Like

0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:01.400
<v Speaker 1>I said earlier, that thing to do with us, and

0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:04.960
<v Speaker 1>so it's just its acceptance. It's also not making it

0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:09.120
<v Speaker 1>things can you cannot get on with someone and it

0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:11.239
<v Speaker 1>not needs to be an argument, and it not need

0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:12.880
<v Speaker 1>to be a big thing, and it not need to

0:45:12.880 --> 0:45:16.239
<v Speaker 1>mean anything. And I think sometimes we just try too

0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:22.279
<v Speaker 1>hard to attach meaning to everything.

0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:38.160
<v Speaker 2>You reminded me of that principle from the Buddha. That's

0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:40.799
<v Speaker 2>the second arrow, which is the first arrow, is the

0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:45.600
<v Speaker 2>rejection or the conflict that hurts. But the second arrow

0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:48.320
<v Speaker 2>is the one you shoot it yourself because you're adding

0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:51.719
<v Speaker 2>meaning to that first arrow. So you got rejected, but

0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:55.880
<v Speaker 2>your takeaway of the second arrow is because I'm not

0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:59.239
<v Speaker 2>good enough, when really the reason was they were projecting

0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:02.839
<v Speaker 2>passed on to you. They were projecting a wound onto you.

0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:05.840
<v Speaker 2>They were just busy, they were tired, they were exhausted.

0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:08.160
<v Speaker 2>There's a million reasons, and like you said, you're never

0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:10.319
<v Speaker 2>going to figure it out. And so you can play

0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:13.799
<v Speaker 2>Sherlock Homes and play investigator and try and figure out

0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:17.200
<v Speaker 2>the detective version, but you still will never be satisfied

0:46:17.239 --> 0:46:19.760
<v Speaker 2>with the answer. And so the Buddha says, don't fire

0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:22.440
<v Speaker 2>that second arrow because the first arrow you weren't in

0:46:22.520 --> 0:46:24.759
<v Speaker 2>charge of, but the second arrow you were, And that

0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:28.200
<v Speaker 2>second arrow is just your story, your meaning, which you're

0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:31.720
<v Speaker 2>just making up. Yeah, and we become the best fiction writers, yes,

0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:34.720
<v Speaker 2>when it's writing the nightmare version of why this happened?

0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Totally, we're constantly filling in the blanks of stories that

0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:40.799
<v Speaker 1>don't exist. I said recently on my by the Way,

0:46:40.840 --> 0:46:43.440
<v Speaker 1>that was such a beautiful story. I mean that I

0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:47.040
<v Speaker 1>illustrated it so well, but I was saying, I've did

0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:48.480
<v Speaker 1>a Poston Instagram the other day, Like, you know, when

0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:51.640
<v Speaker 1>you're walking behind someone and your mind has created a

0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:53.479
<v Speaker 1>picture of what they look like, and when they turn around,

0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:55.320
<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh my god, they look so different to

0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 1>what I thought. But it's just a really clear reminder

0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:01.759
<v Speaker 1>that our minds are just constantly creating these stories and

0:47:01.800 --> 0:47:05.440
<v Speaker 1>these narratives and these images that aren't based on reality.

0:47:05.600 --> 0:47:08.960
<v Speaker 1>They are based on so many other things that are

0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:13.200
<v Speaker 1>not that stop us from being truly objective and so

0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:17.240
<v Speaker 1>really understanding that you cannot trust your stories, your thoughts.

0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:19.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's I think, really powerful.

0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:21.760
<v Speaker 3>I've been asking you these questions, You've been nailing the answers.

0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:22.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm asking you more of these.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, you ask me such different questions. It's so great.

0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:30.279
<v Speaker 1>You really push me to think about confidence differently. I really, yeah,

0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:31.440
<v Speaker 1>it's really great. Thank you.

0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:33.319
<v Speaker 2>No, but you've done the work and that's why we

0:47:33.360 --> 0:47:35.680
<v Speaker 2>can go everywhere like it's a time for me because

0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:38.080
<v Speaker 2>I want people to read the book and they're going

0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:40.440
<v Speaker 2>to find the great eight steps in the book, and

0:47:40.480 --> 0:47:43.760
<v Speaker 2>the advice is so and you've got you know, the affirmations,

0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:46.880
<v Speaker 2>you've got journaling prompts, Like you're giving so many practical tips.

0:47:46.920 --> 0:47:49.759
<v Speaker 2>But I think this conversation is like really trying to

0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:51.480
<v Speaker 2>figure out, like what are we struggling with? And I

0:47:51.480 --> 0:47:54.200
<v Speaker 2>want to ask you, what's the How do we stop

0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:57.880
<v Speaker 2>thinking that everything's our fault and still take responsibility to

0:47:57.920 --> 0:48:01.879
<v Speaker 2>make changes. I think where we get caught is when

0:48:01.920 --> 0:48:03.399
<v Speaker 2>someone breaks up with you. You think I was all

0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:05.360
<v Speaker 2>my fault. If I did this, they would have stayed.

0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:08.560
<v Speaker 2>If I changed, they would still be here. Oh if

0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:11.399
<v Speaker 2>I planned that birthday, they'd still be in my life.

0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:14.520
<v Speaker 2>And we make it all our fault, which isn't the

0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:15.880
<v Speaker 2>case because it's always.

0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:16.279
<v Speaker 3>A two way thing.

0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:19.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but sometimes if we don't think anything's our fault,

0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:21.880
<v Speaker 2>then we don't take responsibility. So how do you stop

0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:24.960
<v Speaker 2>thinking everything's your fault but still take responsibility?

0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:28.759
<v Speaker 1>I think this comes down to, like there's so I

0:48:28.760 --> 0:48:30.759
<v Speaker 1>think there's so many things involved in this. I think

0:48:30.800 --> 0:48:35.640
<v Speaker 1>one actually doesn't come from anything personal, but it's more

0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:39.120
<v Speaker 1>about this trust, being able to have a full trust

0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:42.200
<v Speaker 1>in divine timing and a full trust that your life

0:48:42.239 --> 0:48:45.279
<v Speaker 1>is unfolding the way that it's opposed to. Because in

0:48:45.280 --> 0:48:47.919
<v Speaker 1>that sense, when something like this happens when someone breaks

0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:50.760
<v Speaker 1>up with you, when you lose the job. When whatever

0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:54.400
<v Speaker 1>it is, actually, if you have a deep connection to

0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:57.520
<v Speaker 1>a greater power, whatever that is, it might be God.

0:48:57.600 --> 0:48:59.640
<v Speaker 1>For me, it's just the universe and the energy and

0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:03.120
<v Speaker 1>power the universe might be a spiritual realm, whatever it is.

0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:06.359
<v Speaker 1>When you have a deep connection to that, you are

0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:11.520
<v Speaker 1>able to surrender to things with such greater ease and resilience.

0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:14.040
<v Speaker 1>And step four of my manifest book has overcome tests

0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:17.239
<v Speaker 1>from the universe, and that really is all about being

0:49:17.320 --> 0:49:22.160
<v Speaker 1>able to persist through challenges. And it's done with a

0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:24.880
<v Speaker 1>knowing that there is always reward on the other side.

0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:29.720
<v Speaker 1>And so with that overall mindset, you are able I think,

0:49:29.840 --> 0:49:32.799
<v Speaker 1>to attach less meaning, like we spoke about before, to

0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:36.520
<v Speaker 1>these things that happened to us. But I think that

0:49:38.120 --> 0:49:41.960
<v Speaker 1>equally when it comes to being able to how do

0:49:42.000 --> 0:49:44.319
<v Speaker 1>we take responsibility for the things that we need to

0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:48.960
<v Speaker 1>I think that comes from getting to know ourselves. It

0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:53.560
<v Speaker 1>comes from self awareness. I think it comes from a

0:49:53.719 --> 0:49:56.640
<v Speaker 1>genuine desire to be the best version of ourselves that

0:49:56.680 --> 0:49:59.280
<v Speaker 1>we can be. And I think that it comes from

0:49:59.440 --> 0:50:02.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, when we talk about confidence and why confidence

0:50:03.000 --> 0:50:06.520
<v Speaker 1>impacts every area of our lives. It's a kind of

0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:11.400
<v Speaker 1>I feel like confidence plays into everything. So actually, the

0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:15.800
<v Speaker 1>more confident we are, the less that we're going to

0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:19.080
<v Speaker 1>blame ourselves for things, and the more willing we're going

0:50:19.160 --> 0:50:22.319
<v Speaker 1>to be to be able to actually say, hey, you know,

0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:25.600
<v Speaker 1>in a compassionate way, Hey, you know what, let mean

0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:27.560
<v Speaker 1>to see, what are the things that I could have

0:50:27.760 --> 0:50:30.960
<v Speaker 1>changed here? What can I take responsibility for? And I'm

0:50:30.960 --> 0:50:32.880
<v Speaker 1>going to let go of the things that I can't.

0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:35.760
<v Speaker 1>How can I be better? But how can I also

0:50:35.800 --> 0:50:38.200
<v Speaker 1>accept the situation as it is? And so I think

0:50:38.239 --> 0:50:41.520
<v Speaker 1>there's this like fine balance between it and I think

0:50:41.560 --> 0:50:45.560
<v Speaker 1>that God, I just I'm so passionate about talking to people,

0:50:45.600 --> 0:50:49.520
<v Speaker 1>whether it's about manifesting, but especially about confidence, because I

0:50:49.680 --> 0:50:53.880
<v Speaker 1>just know how many people listening are having those thoughts

0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:58.000
<v Speaker 1>that you've just mentioned where they think, I just if

0:50:58.080 --> 0:51:01.160
<v Speaker 1>I had done things differently, and they live in that regret,

0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:05.399
<v Speaker 1>in that shame, in that guilt, and I think those

0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:09.080
<v Speaker 1>are such overpowering emotions that really infiltrate every part of

0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:13.800
<v Speaker 1>our lives. Kind of they're like silently they're just bringing

0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:17.120
<v Speaker 1>us down. And you know, it's and like we said earlier,

0:51:17.200 --> 0:51:18.160
<v Speaker 1>you know it's exhausting.

0:51:18.480 --> 0:51:21.680
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so you've laid out these eight steps really

0:51:21.680 --> 0:51:25.160
<v Speaker 2>simply for people to follow, and as I was reading them,

0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:27.759
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking, but that's not what we do to

0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:30.959
<v Speaker 2>become more confident. So I think a lot of people think,

0:51:31.480 --> 0:51:34.880
<v Speaker 2>when I become rich, I'll be confident. But what's interesting

0:51:34.920 --> 0:51:38.160
<v Speaker 2>is you can be rich and insecure. People think, when

0:51:38.160 --> 0:51:41.440
<v Speaker 2>I become famous, I'll be confident. But you can be

0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:47.320
<v Speaker 2>famous and insecure. People think, when I become a successful entrepreneur,

0:51:47.520 --> 0:51:51.319
<v Speaker 2>when I get this promotion, when I get married, when

0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:54.360
<v Speaker 2>I get through this, then I'll be confident. But you

0:51:54.440 --> 0:51:56.880
<v Speaker 2>can be all of those things and still insecure because

0:51:57.320 --> 0:51:59.200
<v Speaker 2>those things don't take away in security.

0:51:59.280 --> 0:51:59.960
<v Speaker 3>These things do.

0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:02.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean spoiler alert. My eight steps is not

0:52:02.400 --> 0:52:04.920
<v Speaker 1>get married, get rich, get famous.

0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:09.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I think our brain makes us believe those

0:52:09.200 --> 0:52:09.800
<v Speaker 2>other things.

0:52:10.000 --> 0:52:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, absolutely, And I think you know, I'm so glad

0:52:14.480 --> 0:52:18.879
<v Speaker 1>you brought this up because you know, the work in manifestation, right,

0:52:19.040 --> 0:52:21.360
<v Speaker 1>I think, is all about goals. It's about getting to

0:52:21.440 --> 0:52:25.080
<v Speaker 1>a place. And I actually had to put a disclaimer

0:52:25.239 --> 0:52:29.200
<v Speaker 1>on this because I realized that what people were doing

0:52:29.280 --> 0:52:33.560
<v Speaker 1>is they were expecting that happiness, confidence, joy would be

0:52:33.640 --> 0:52:37.560
<v Speaker 1>found at the end of this goal, right, so exactly

0:52:37.640 --> 0:52:42.600
<v Speaker 1>as you say, I will be happy when I get

0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:45.000
<v Speaker 1>this promotion, when I have this many followers, when I'm

0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:49.000
<v Speaker 1>in a relationship. And what I started to really realize

0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:51.000
<v Speaker 1>that I needed to share with people is that reaching

0:52:51.040 --> 0:52:52.839
<v Speaker 1>those goals is never going to make you happy. And

0:52:52.880 --> 0:52:57.880
<v Speaker 1>we know this because we know how many successful, famous

0:52:57.920 --> 0:53:01.640
<v Speaker 1>people are deeply unhappy. And what I realized was, Okay,

0:53:01.640 --> 0:53:05.919
<v Speaker 1>how can I try and explain to people that how

0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:08.640
<v Speaker 1>can I get people to have a goal to stay

0:53:08.760 --> 0:53:11.560
<v Speaker 1>motivated because we need something to work towards for our

0:53:11.600 --> 0:53:14.160
<v Speaker 1>mental health, we need to be moving forward. How can

0:53:14.200 --> 0:53:16.800
<v Speaker 1>I get people to find this balance between moving towards

0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:19.719
<v Speaker 1>something but not expecting happiness at the goal. And I

0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:22.640
<v Speaker 1>realized that it all came down to an emotional attachment.

0:53:23.360 --> 0:53:29.840
<v Speaker 1>People think I will be enough when, I will be valued,

0:53:30.280 --> 0:53:34.040
<v Speaker 1>when I will be loved when And that's why the

0:53:34.080 --> 0:53:37.000
<v Speaker 1>work of confidence is so important, because actually, what you

0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:40.759
<v Speaker 1>realize is you need to feel loved now, you need

0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:44.360
<v Speaker 1>to feel valued now, you need to feel worthy now

0:53:44.719 --> 0:53:47.239
<v Speaker 1>so that when you get the goal, when you get

0:53:47.280 --> 0:53:51.800
<v Speaker 1>the thing, you can enjoy it, because if you don't,

0:53:51.960 --> 0:53:53.239
<v Speaker 1>you'll still be miserable.

0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:55.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's so well said. Roxy.

0:53:56.040 --> 0:53:59.200
<v Speaker 2>Did you ever feel you did something that you think

0:53:59.239 --> 0:54:02.120
<v Speaker 2>would make you confiordt, but then didn't make you feel

0:54:02.160 --> 0:54:03.680
<v Speaker 2>confident in your own journey?

0:54:04.120 --> 0:54:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, many many times. So I have been on

0:54:14.680 --> 0:54:20.200
<v Speaker 1>a very real and profound journey of my own confidence.

0:54:20.640 --> 0:54:24.480
<v Speaker 1>And I don't even know where to start with it. Really.

0:54:25.080 --> 0:54:30.600
<v Speaker 1>It's I remember the first time I looked in the

0:54:30.600 --> 0:54:33.800
<v Speaker 1>mirror when I was seven years old, and I remember

0:54:33.840 --> 0:54:40.399
<v Speaker 1>it so distinctly and looking and just thinking I am

0:54:40.640 --> 0:54:50.880
<v Speaker 1>so ugly, like really ugly, like monstrous. And throughout my

0:54:51.200 --> 0:54:54.960
<v Speaker 1>childhood I really held on to this belief that I

0:54:55.160 --> 0:55:01.160
<v Speaker 1>was just hideous. And at this time when you're a

0:55:01.239 --> 0:55:04.680
<v Speaker 1>young child and you're kind of learning your place in

0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:07.160
<v Speaker 1>the world and forming the beliefs about you, know who

0:55:07.200 --> 0:55:10.359
<v Speaker 1>you are, what I was seeing was that I was

0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:15.680
<v Speaker 1>rejected by my peers. I was I felt very alone

0:55:15.880 --> 0:55:19.200
<v Speaker 1>all the time, and the people that were popular and

0:55:19.280 --> 0:55:24.200
<v Speaker 1>loved were people that were beautiful, and the girls had

0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:27.560
<v Speaker 1>blonde hair and blue eyes, and not the girls that

0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:32.759
<v Speaker 1>looked like me. And I don't even know where to

0:55:32.800 --> 0:55:37.239
<v Speaker 1>begin with this whole journey. I never felt worthy and

0:55:37.280 --> 0:55:39.880
<v Speaker 1>I never felt enough, and I think my self loathing

0:55:40.080 --> 0:55:44.600
<v Speaker 1>was so so extreme, and I learned to cope with

0:55:44.680 --> 0:55:49.279
<v Speaker 1>the extremity of my inner critic and my feelings of

0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:54.840
<v Speaker 1>low self worth with coping mechanisms like controlling my eating,

0:55:55.320 --> 0:55:58.759
<v Speaker 1>which then turned to alcohol, which then became drugs, and

0:55:59.040 --> 0:56:02.880
<v Speaker 1>I was addict and went to my first NA Narcotics

0:56:02.880 --> 0:56:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Anonymous meeting when I was twenty one. I continued through

0:56:07.200 --> 0:56:11.439
<v Speaker 1>my addiction until I was twenty eight, and a big

0:56:11.480 --> 0:56:13.920
<v Speaker 1>part of what I was so addicted to was this

0:56:14.000 --> 0:56:18.920
<v Speaker 1>false feeling of confidence, something I had never had. But obviously,

0:56:19.360 --> 0:56:22.080
<v Speaker 1>when i'd come down from that, the self loathing would

0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:26.200
<v Speaker 1>come to the surface again, and I always felt sort

0:56:26.200 --> 0:56:30.440
<v Speaker 1>of quite disgusted by myself, but I would say it

0:56:30.520 --> 0:56:33.720
<v Speaker 1>was like a bubbling thing because I had the drugs

0:56:33.760 --> 0:56:38.919
<v Speaker 1>to constantly offset it. But when I felt pregnant when

0:56:38.960 --> 0:56:41.800
<v Speaker 1>I was twenty eight, I had to stop all the

0:56:41.880 --> 0:56:47.879
<v Speaker 1>drugs very suddenly, and so I was dealing with kind

0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:50.160
<v Speaker 1>of all the pain that I was running from. And

0:56:50.239 --> 0:56:52.799
<v Speaker 1>what really came to light in this time, and I

0:56:52.840 --> 0:56:55.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't know what it was then but I do know now,

0:56:56.160 --> 0:57:00.839
<v Speaker 1>was a very very severe body dysmorphia disorder. So at

0:57:00.840 --> 0:57:05.799
<v Speaker 1>this time I head through my pregnancy. I gained sort

0:57:05.800 --> 0:57:10.040
<v Speaker 1>of five stone. I was binge eating. But from almost

0:57:10.080 --> 0:57:12.920
<v Speaker 1>within like a week of finding out I was pregnant

0:57:12.920 --> 0:57:17.040
<v Speaker 1>and giving everything up, I became very, very fixated on

0:57:17.200 --> 0:57:24.720
<v Speaker 1>how disgusting my face was. And it's really hard to

0:57:24.800 --> 0:57:29.360
<v Speaker 1>describe how loud and how revolted I felt by myself.

0:57:29.440 --> 0:57:33.640
<v Speaker 1>It's a revulsion. Imagine something that you see, maybe you're

0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:36.840
<v Speaker 1>squeamish when it comes to surgery, and you see something

0:57:36.880 --> 0:57:39.080
<v Speaker 1>come up on Instagram and you just get that feeling

0:57:39.160 --> 0:57:41.680
<v Speaker 1>of disgust. That was how I felt when I looked

0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:46.280
<v Speaker 1>in the mirror. And I eventually got to a point

0:57:46.320 --> 0:57:50.680
<v Speaker 1>where I stopped leaving the house. I wouldn't see anybody

0:57:50.960 --> 0:57:54.200
<v Speaker 1>because I thought I was too grotesque to be loved

0:57:54.280 --> 0:57:56.960
<v Speaker 1>at Yes, while I was pregnant, and this was like

0:57:57.000 --> 0:58:00.800
<v Speaker 1>a really dark time of my life anyway, and then

0:58:01.320 --> 0:58:05.400
<v Speaker 1>after I was pregnant, let's fast forward. The self loathing

0:58:05.480 --> 0:58:08.480
<v Speaker 1>is just there. It's a constant thing, this lack of

0:58:08.480 --> 0:58:13.000
<v Speaker 1>self worth. And then we come into COVID and suddenly

0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:17.560
<v Speaker 1>you're interacting with people on camera a lot, and this

0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:21.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of my BDD, which I didn't know what it

0:58:21.040 --> 0:58:25.720
<v Speaker 1>was at the time became uncontrollable, as in every I'm

0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:30.240
<v Speaker 1>at this point working through my career, so I had

0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:34.000
<v Speaker 1>started doing workshops, and then at the beginning of COVID,

0:58:34.040 --> 0:58:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I started doing webinars. For two years, I did webinars

0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:41.840
<v Speaker 1>every month, and I did them all with my camera off.

0:58:42.840 --> 0:58:46.320
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if anybody ever knew that that

0:58:46.440 --> 0:58:47.960
<v Speaker 1>was why. I think. I used to say that it

0:58:48.040 --> 0:58:51.560
<v Speaker 1>was because, like I thought it would be a better

0:58:51.680 --> 0:58:55.800
<v Speaker 1>experience for listen to listen, which in part is true.

0:58:55.800 --> 0:58:58.120
<v Speaker 1>I feel like when you're listening to a podcast, you concentrate,

0:58:58.600 --> 0:59:00.640
<v Speaker 1>But really it was because I thought that if I

0:59:00.680 --> 0:59:03.560
<v Speaker 1>had my camera on, people would be too revolted by

0:59:03.760 --> 0:59:06.919
<v Speaker 1>my face and that it would discuss them the way

0:59:06.920 --> 0:59:13.120
<v Speaker 1>that it disgusted me. And I never would never ever

0:59:13.320 --> 0:59:15.960
<v Speaker 1>show my face online unless I had a filter on it.

0:59:17.280 --> 0:59:20.080
<v Speaker 1>And I thought this was normal. I thought I was

0:59:20.160 --> 0:59:22.760
<v Speaker 1>just really self conscious and that I just didn't have

0:59:22.800 --> 0:59:27.480
<v Speaker 1>good self esteem. And I thought, it's just because I

0:59:27.480 --> 0:59:31.440
<v Speaker 1>need to change my face. I just need to do something,

0:59:31.680 --> 0:59:34.880
<v Speaker 1>and if I just looked different, then I wouldn't feel

0:59:34.880 --> 0:59:37.160
<v Speaker 1>this way. If it was felt kind of almost simple

0:59:37.160 --> 0:59:39.240
<v Speaker 1>to me. It's like, yeah, I hate myself, but this

0:59:39.360 --> 0:59:47.880
<v Speaker 1>is why. And so in twenty twenty one, I had

0:59:47.920 --> 0:59:51.600
<v Speaker 1>had chronic sinusitists for years because of the drug use,

0:59:52.160 --> 0:59:54.760
<v Speaker 1>and I had to have an operation on my sinuses

0:59:55.360 --> 0:59:57.720
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, great, this is my opportunity. And

0:59:57.720 --> 1:00:00.920
<v Speaker 1>actually I'd never considered having a rhinoplacity BEFO before, but

1:00:00.960 --> 1:00:02.160
<v Speaker 1>as soon as I knew I had to have an

1:00:02.160 --> 1:00:04.520
<v Speaker 1>operation in my nose, I was like, oh, yes, I

1:00:04.520 --> 1:00:07.160
<v Speaker 1>can change the shape of my nose and then finally

1:00:07.280 --> 1:00:11.200
<v Speaker 1>I won't have this like voice in my head. So

1:00:11.280 --> 1:00:14.120
<v Speaker 1>I had a rhinoplasty, thinking this is going to be

1:00:14.160 --> 1:00:18.720
<v Speaker 1>the thing that changes me. And I think a lot

1:00:18.760 --> 1:00:21.360
<v Speaker 1>of people will relate to this or who have had surgery,

1:00:21.440 --> 1:00:23.720
<v Speaker 1>thinking it's going to change the way you feel about yourself.

1:00:23.720 --> 1:00:26.520
<v Speaker 1>And after the surgery, I realized I felt exactly the

1:00:26.560 --> 1:00:30.280
<v Speaker 1>same and if not worse. And at this time I

1:00:30.400 --> 1:00:33.960
<v Speaker 1>start going into this work, this line of work. I

1:00:34.160 --> 1:00:37.480
<v Speaker 1>start showing up because I want to spread my message

1:00:38.840 --> 1:00:41.280
<v Speaker 1>and I start having to be in front of cameras

1:00:41.720 --> 1:00:50.439
<v Speaker 1>and it was it's I don't even I'm so sorry

1:00:50.480 --> 1:00:52.640
<v Speaker 1>because you know, I've never spoken about this properly, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like really hard to explain. I was convinced, even

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<v Speaker 1>after I'd had the rhino classity, I was so convinced

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<v Speaker 1>that I was just too disgusting to be looked at,

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<v Speaker 1>and that everybody that would meet me would just be

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about how ugly I was. So then twenty twenty two, Manifest,

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<v Speaker 1>my first book, comes out, and I'm obviously so passionate.

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<v Speaker 1>This is my purpose. My purpose is to use all

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<v Speaker 1>the pain that I've been through in my life to

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<v Speaker 1>try and you know, inspire others and hopefully help other people.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I have this real desire to help and

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<v Speaker 1>share my message and to talk about it, and that

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<v Speaker 1>means going on you know, get if I take, get

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<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to go on TV, go on podcasts, but

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<v Speaker 1>for and I was so determined that I was not

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<v Speaker 1>going to let this horrible monster in my mind stop

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<v Speaker 1>me from, you know, doing the things that I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to do to fulfill my purpose. But it was excruciating.

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<v Speaker 1>So every single time I would go on camera of

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<v Speaker 1>any sort, I would have a panic before, then I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be fine during, and then I'd have a panic attack after.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the first time I sat in this chair,

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<v Speaker 1>just before coming, I had a full blown panic attack.

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<v Speaker 1>Could it was just and it all came from this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel so much. The reason I've never spoken

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<v Speaker 1>about this is because there is so much shame around

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm about to talk about, I think for loads

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<v Speaker 1>of people who have experienced it. But I had this

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<v Speaker 1>real obsession of thinking that I was just too disgusting

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<v Speaker 1>to be seen. And it just came out all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and my team around me could see how real this was.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just oh, I'm feeling, Oh I don't look

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<v Speaker 1>so good today, and then you just kind of get

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<v Speaker 1>on with your day. It was more than that. It

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<v Speaker 1>was this all consuming, ruminating thought of disgust, revulsion, ugly, horrible,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody should look at me. And eventually somebody said to me,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you have BDD body dysmorphia disorder. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know what it was, and I thought that if I did,

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<v Speaker 1>surely that must be about your body. Well it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Body dysmorphia disorder, and BDD can be about your face.

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<v Speaker 1>It can be about your body. And what it is

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<v Speaker 1>is a form of OCD. It's it's an anxiety disorder,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a form of OCD. So it's like an

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<v Speaker 1>obsessive compulsion thinking that is kind of comes with a

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<v Speaker 1>checking behavior or some behavior of sorce. So for some

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<v Speaker 1>people that might be mirror shaking, might be comparing photos,

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<v Speaker 1>it might be asking for reassurance. And it is no

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<v Speaker 1>different to somebody having an obsessive thought about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>have they turned the light switches off? Or something bad

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<v Speaker 1>is going to happen if I don't do the switches

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<v Speaker 1>three times. So it's the same pattern of behavior in

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<v Speaker 1>your mind, but it's to do with the way that

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<v Speaker 1>you look, so becoming obsessed with a perceived flaw and

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<v Speaker 1>thinking that it's really noticeable to other people, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>so incredibly damaging to one's way of life. And something

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<v Speaker 1>that's really hard with BDD is nobody wants to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it because it seems and I have been so

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<v Speaker 1>afraid to talk about it, and even now I'm thinking, like,

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<v Speaker 1>should I be talking about this, because there is it

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<v Speaker 1>feels like it's just about vanity, and I see why

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like that, but it's so much more. It

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<v Speaker 1>is this deep belief that you are so unworthy and

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<v Speaker 1>unlovable because of your appearance, and a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>that have BDD will do everything on the outside to

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<v Speaker 1>fix it in the way that I did. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>have a rhinoplasty, have botox, have filler, whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you realize that you're left with the same

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<v Speaker 1>thought patterns, you realize that it's not about what's on

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<v Speaker 1>the outside. You can try and change something, but unless

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<v Speaker 1>you do the work within, nothing is going to help you.

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<v Speaker 1>And realizing that I had an anxiety disorder was very

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<v Speaker 1>helpful for me. I realized that it wasn't that I

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<v Speaker 1>was just I realized then that there was something I

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<v Speaker 1>could do. I could find methods to help, whether that

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<v Speaker 1>was CBET and actually, and I've never shared this and

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<v Speaker 1>didn't think I ever would, but I actually went on medication,

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<v Speaker 1>on anti anxiety medication. It's medication that's used often for

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<v Speaker 1>lots of different things, depression, OCD and severe anxiety. But

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<v Speaker 1>because I paired that with all this work, it was

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely life changing for me. And the way I can

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<v Speaker 1>describe the last the two years when I've kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like started being on camera to you know, getting to

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<v Speaker 1>a point where I finally felt more comfortable I could

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<v Speaker 1>manage it better, is like every time I is like

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<v Speaker 1>asking somebody with an eating disorder sit down and eat

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<v Speaker 1>this cake. That is the only way I can describe

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<v Speaker 1>it to somebody is it's such an overwhelming experience, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it influences every oere of your life, your friendships,

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<v Speaker 1>you're socializing, your dating life, everything. And now I've found

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<v Speaker 1>so and I only the only reason I'm sharing this really?

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<v Speaker 1>Why am I sharing this now? Firstly, I think probably

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<v Speaker 1>just because it's still a part of my life, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I think that, like I had a really I

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<v Speaker 1>still get a lot of flare ups when I'm tired,

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm stressed, it will come up. So yesterday, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing all these amazing things here in La

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<v Speaker 1>but in my head, I was like, I just completely

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<v Speaker 1>reverted back to my old thought patterns. I'm revolting, I'm disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's weird because I never have these thoughts about

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<v Speaker 1>anyone else. I don't care about how anyone looks. I've

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<v Speaker 1>never thought if only they looked better. Oh God, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel really nervous about talking about this. I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it sounds Oh, it's really hard.

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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>Please When anyone shares something that they've been struggling with,

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<v Speaker 2>to me, shows one of the greatest expressions of confidence,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's so hard to talk about it because you

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<v Speaker 2>know that people are going to have their opinions, you

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<v Speaker 2>have your own judgments of it, you're still naturally dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with it as we all are. So I firstally just

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<v Speaker 2>want to thank you for being so confident in actually

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<v Speaker 2>sharing it, because I don't think you could do that

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<v Speaker 2>if you weren't working on your inner self, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>the hardest part, really is admitting out loud to yourself

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<v Speaker 2>that this is what I'm going through and this is

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<v Speaker 2>where I'm at. So just thank you for your vulnerability

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<v Speaker 2>and confidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. I really appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 2>Because that's the hardest thing. I remember coaching a leader

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<v Speaker 2>and they'd been going through a lot of anxiety. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a CEO of a company with half a million employees,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were going through so much anxiety and stress

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<v Speaker 2>in their personal life and everything was falling apart. At

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, this company's doing exceptionally well. And while

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<v Speaker 2>they were going through it, at one point when they

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<v Speaker 2>were better versed and being able to explain it, like

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<v Speaker 2>I think you explained BDD so well as to someone

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<v Speaker 2>who doesn't know much about it, I said, I encourage them,

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<v Speaker 2>I said maybe you should tell your team, your EXAC team,

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<v Speaker 2>your leaders so that they're aware. And they said to me,

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<v Speaker 2>they said, how can I tell them? I said, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you mean? They said, well, if I tell them,

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to think I'm weak. And I said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I think when you tell them, they're going to realize

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<v Speaker 2>you're strong, because they're all dealing with similar things and

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<v Speaker 2>they're scared of telling you because they don't think you

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<v Speaker 2>know what they're going through. And so I think they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be so many people listening right now who

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<v Speaker 2>go roxy thank you for saying that, because I just

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<v Speaker 2>assumed you have it perfect and your life's perfect, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're so confident, and actually you're showing me that what

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<v Speaker 2>you said earlier, that you can be a masterpiece and

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<v Speaker 2>a work in progress all at the same time, is

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<v Speaker 2>actually what we're all dealing with. And as soon as

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<v Speaker 2>we believe someone is fully confident, that doesn't fully help us,

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<v Speaker 2>because then we're always measuring ourselves, thinking why am I

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<v Speaker 2>not there? And when we realize, oh, everyone's healing, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no one who's healed, then as long as I'm healing,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on the right part. So I just think, hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>I think people will listen and feel that way. The

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<v Speaker 2>second thing I'll say is to me, there's I think

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<v Speaker 2>we know very little about the human mind and brain,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when it comes to a lot of these anxiety disorders.

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<v Speaker 2>I have friends, my wife has friends who have severe

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<v Speaker 2>cases of OCD, and it's so easy when you hear

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<v Speaker 2>about the problem to just be like, how does that

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<v Speaker 2>make any sense? It doesn't make any sense. Just just

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<v Speaker 2>do it anyway, and we can kind of throw these

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<v Speaker 2>band aid answers onto severe issues that we actually don't understand.

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<v Speaker 2>And the more I've done the work I've been doing

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<v Speaker 2>in coaching and my friends who are therapists that I

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<v Speaker 2>learn from, and when we're working on clients together and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm learning about what clients are going through, the more

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<v Speaker 2>compassion and empathy I've gained for things that I don't understand,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's so easy to be like, well, my brain

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't work that way and I can't compute it and

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<v Speaker 2>comprehend it. So that just sounds really ridiculous. But the

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<v Speaker 2>reality is that when you go through something yourself, you

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<v Speaker 2>then go oh crap, Like I remember me and my

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<v Speaker 2>friends didn't believe when you were on your teens you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't believe depression was real.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just gonna say that I used to think

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>When we were young, Like you didn't believe depression was real.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you go through I've been through depressive episodes

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<v Speaker 2>in my life. You go through it, and you go God,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even think my brain could go there. And

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<v Speaker 2>anyone who has a friend who's gone through depression, who's

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<v Speaker 2>potentially even had suicidal thoughts, like anyone who's had anyone

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<v Speaker 2>in their life, it's gone that you've seen how quickly

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<v Speaker 2>someone that you thought was happy, confident, and well became

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<v Speaker 2>all of the opposite things. And so I regardless of

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<v Speaker 2>whether we immediately understand what you're saying, I just hope

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<v Speaker 2>we use it as an opportunity to expand our compassion

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<v Speaker 2>and empathy for each other, because I think we know

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<v Speaker 2>so little about the human mind and human brain, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of these things.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and oh, sorry you're gonna say something.

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<v Speaker 1>No, Yeah, I mean, the mind is just an extreme

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<v Speaker 1>powerful place, And I think that it's true. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that often I say that for somebody. If you find

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<v Speaker 1>a couple and one person has depression and one has

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<v Speaker 1>never experienced it, and it's come on, it can be

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<v Speaker 1>very hard for that person to understand, like you'll just

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<v Speaker 1>snap out of it. And what I do hope that

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<v Speaker 1>happens in sharing this It is firstly, I think BDD

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<v Speaker 1>is undiagnosed, So I hope that perhaps there are people

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<v Speaker 1>listening that actually do have BDD but didn't know, will

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<v Speaker 1>feel so much relief to understand that it's not just

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<v Speaker 1>them being super vain or this or that. If it

1:11:41.360 --> 1:11:45.800
<v Speaker 1>is impacting your life to a way that is like

1:11:46.120 --> 1:11:49.240
<v Speaker 1>truly negatively impacting your life, then there is help to

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<v Speaker 1>be found through different therapies. You know, medication is out there,

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<v Speaker 1>you know there are things that can help. But I

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<v Speaker 1>also think, yeah, I mean, the reason that I am

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<v Speaker 1>so in love with this book is because I am

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who literally has lived with this what is I

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<v Speaker 1>now recognize as an anxiety disorder that is rooted in

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<v Speaker 1>me telling myself how awful I am, and I have

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<v Speaker 1>had that in a voice since I was seven, telling

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<v Speaker 1>me I am disgusting, I am unlovable, I am not enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether that I thought that because of the way I

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<v Speaker 1>look or whatever, at the root of it was I

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<v Speaker 1>am not enough as I am. That is what I

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<v Speaker 1>have believed my whole life. I am now sat in

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<v Speaker 1>this chair, and I truly believe I am enough, like

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<v Speaker 1>I actually do love who I am. And it's not

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't feel it. Like I told you, yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>was a tough day for me, but I knew how

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<v Speaker 1>to manage it. I knew how to overcome it. But

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<v Speaker 1>ninety percent of the time I feel amazing, not in

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<v Speaker 1>the way I look. I just feel amazing as a human.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel proud of who I am and what I

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<v Speaker 1>can offer the world. So if I can go through

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<v Speaker 1>that level of extreme self hate and get to a

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<v Speaker 1>point where I actually can sit on a podcast and

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<v Speaker 1>say I like who I am truly, I think anyone can.

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<v Speaker 1>And these other steps that help me get there, and

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<v Speaker 1>I love them so much, and I just so I

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<v Speaker 1>just can't wait for people to feel this level of freedom,

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<v Speaker 1>because it really is quite an extraordinary experience, and knowing

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<v Speaker 1>how hard it can be on the other side, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, it's just such a relief to like not

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<v Speaker 1>hate yourself all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's also really from what I see from

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<v Speaker 2>what you're saying, is because it's been a journey while

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<v Speaker 2>you're writing, while you're speaking is that you can have

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<v Speaker 2>these thoughts, you can master them, work on them, and

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<v Speaker 2>still do things. And I think a lot of us

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<v Speaker 2>feel like until I figure everything out, I can't do anything.

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<v Speaker 2>And what I think you're saying and showing is no,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been feeling all of this.

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<v Speaker 3>Here are the.

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<v Speaker 2>Management methods that I've come up with in the steps

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<v Speaker 2>that actually and we deal with it and then I

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<v Speaker 2>can still do these things. And partly what you're saying, though,

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<v Speaker 2>roxy I think is part of you being a public

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<v Speaker 2>figure too, because and this applies to everyone now, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not just a public figures, it truly applies to everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>All of us see our reflection too much, Yes, we

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<v Speaker 3>really do. We just we.

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<v Speaker 2>All look at our faces more times every day than

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<v Speaker 2>we ever would have in the past. When you grew

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<v Speaker 2>up in that tribal, that village, when would you ever

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<v Speaker 2>see your reflection? You're looking at straw huts and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>wooden like spoons, you know, just whatever, like you're never

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<v Speaker 2>seeing your reflection. And now you're on zoom call and

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<v Speaker 2>you're staring at your reflection. You're on a FaceTime call

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<v Speaker 2>and you're looking at your own reflection. You go past

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<v Speaker 2>the shop window, you look at your reflection. We're on

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<v Speaker 2>our phones all day. We're so overexposed that I think

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<v Speaker 2>all of us, if we're honest with ourselves, overanalyze ourselves

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<v Speaker 2>physically on our face because we see our face more

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<v Speaker 2>than ever. I just don't think we were ever meant

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<v Speaker 2>to see our face this much.

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<v Speaker 1>So true.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone who has an anxiety disorder that's connected to that,

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<v Speaker 2>I can only imagine how that's amplified, because it's amplified

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<v Speaker 2>even for people who don't have that anxiety disorder. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm overexposed to my face, and so I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>also just we're just looking our faces more than we ever.

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<v Speaker 3>Meant to, and that's hard.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so true.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think everyone can relate to that, whether they

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<v Speaker 2>have an anxiety disorder or not, whether they struggle with

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<v Speaker 2>something else or not. I think everyone knows that we're

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<v Speaker 2>all looking at our face all day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so true. I never considered that we do look

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<v Speaker 1>at it way too much. Weighed my copar and he's

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<v Speaker 1>a house and he's got no mirrors in it, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, I've never felt better. And he doesn't use

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<v Speaker 1>this story that much either, and he's like it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In the monastery in India, they didn't have any mirrors,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was the first time I had experienced what

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<v Speaker 2>that felt like. And forgetting how you look physically, which

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<v Speaker 2>I don't anymore. I'm always on camera, Instagram and my video,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't know what that feels like anymore as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But I remember at that time forgetting how I looked

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<v Speaker 2>allowed me to go inward in a way that I

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<v Speaker 2>can never imagine doing because I forgot my physical self,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you can deal with your mental and emotional self.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're always over exposed to your physical self,

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<v Speaker 2>you actually don't think of yourself as anything more. So

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<v Speaker 2>when you're saying I'm amazing as a human, that's going

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<v Speaker 2>beyond your physical self. But because we deal with everyone

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<v Speaker 2>just by our physical selves, we think this is all.

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<v Speaker 1>We are exactly. There's a great you know, I used

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<v Speaker 1>to say to people a lot, and it's something I

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<v Speaker 1>would tell myself in all the times I would go on,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to do an interview and really just be thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I'm the person interviewing where he's just

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about how disgusting I am, or everyone online is

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<v Speaker 1>going to just be talking about how ugly I am.

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<v Speaker 1>And those were thoughts, and then I would come out

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<v Speaker 1>to one thing. People do not care how you look.

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<v Speaker 1>They care how you make them feel. And that was

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<v Speaker 1>what kept me showing up. And I still remind myself

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<v Speaker 1>of it all the time. And I think that, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's true, like I think about and I would always

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<v Speaker 1>think about all the people I love, admire, enjoy being around,

1:17:36.360 --> 1:17:42.519
<v Speaker 1>enjoy hearing watching. None of them are because, oh they

1:17:42.560 --> 1:17:45.920
<v Speaker 1>look a certain way. All of it is because they

1:17:45.960 --> 1:17:48.680
<v Speaker 1>make me feel a certain way. They make me feel inspired,

1:17:48.800 --> 1:17:51.080
<v Speaker 1>they make me feel empowered, they make feel But this

1:17:51.120 --> 1:17:54.040
<v Speaker 1>is the thing with anxiety disorders. It makes no sense, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So I can rationally think that It doesn't mean the

1:17:56.880 --> 1:18:00.720
<v Speaker 1>thoughts don't come sometimes anyway, But I think this. When

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<v Speaker 1>you can rationalize it and remind yourself of these things,

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<v Speaker 1>it can be so powerful for us.

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<v Speaker 2>To gain a bit more understanding of it. So what

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<v Speaker 2>happens when someone says, well, Rocks, do you look amazing?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

1:18:09.800 --> 1:18:12.200
<v Speaker 2>I think you look great? Like when someone says that,

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<v Speaker 2>what does the disorder do internally?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you feel when you receive that? So on

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<v Speaker 2>a day that you're not feeling your best physically and

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<v Speaker 2>your face. As we talked about, it's not your body,

1:18:20.760 --> 1:18:23.200
<v Speaker 2>it's your face, and someone's like, oh, but you look great,

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<v Speaker 2>Like what's your thought process? What happens?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, nothing, because like we said earlier, when you don't

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<v Speaker 1>think about it about yourself, it's it's for me if

1:18:31.040 --> 1:18:33.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm having like now, if I'm having a bad Before

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<v Speaker 1>it was just every day, it was just constant. For now,

1:18:35.520 --> 1:18:38.720
<v Speaker 1>let's say I'm having a bad b D D dated yesterday, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a bad day. It's a physical anxiety. So

1:18:42.720 --> 1:18:45.680
<v Speaker 1>you just feel off and then you just have ruminating

1:18:45.720 --> 1:18:49.960
<v Speaker 1>thoughts and so you might it's just a ruminating in

1:18:50.040 --> 1:18:52.960
<v Speaker 1>a critic and it's just a feeling of anxiousness. It's

1:18:53.000 --> 1:18:59.200
<v Speaker 1>really like physical in the body, and it just it's annoying.

1:18:59.479 --> 1:19:02.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, oh, not again, not today, because you

1:19:02.280 --> 1:19:04.559
<v Speaker 1>want to enjoy the things. But I've, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I noticed when it happens when I'm stressed, when I'm

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<v Speaker 1>on hormonal, when I'm tired. But I also know now

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<v Speaker 1>that it will pass. I woke up this morning and

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<v Speaker 1>I was free from it, and I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back, We're fine. You know it was just I

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<v Speaker 1>was also jet lag yesterday, so I was probably probably

1:19:19.240 --> 1:19:23.040
<v Speaker 1>that as well. So you know, it's something that's that

1:19:23.080 --> 1:19:26.599
<v Speaker 1>you can you can learn to manage. I also think

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just say one more thing on it that I

1:19:28.800 --> 1:19:31.000
<v Speaker 1>think it's important is that there are more and more

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<v Speaker 1>people having surgery now, and I think that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of it will be coming from undiagnosed BDD. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I just think if people can just if they are

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about surgery and there's so much when we're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>on social media, you know, just really ask yourself like this,

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<v Speaker 1>is there something bigger, more healing that needs to be done.

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<v Speaker 1>I am all for people doing whatever they want to do.

1:19:51.439 --> 1:19:54.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean I don't regret my rhino plast d I

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<v Speaker 1>I do do botox, I do do things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to feel good. But but is it coming

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<v Speaker 1>from is it coming from a place or can can

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<v Speaker 1>you make sure that the healing is really happening alongside it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a great notice and that blis to

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much everything in life. Is like no one's saying

1:20:15.760 --> 1:20:18.040
<v Speaker 2>you don't want to go and become successful and don't

1:20:18.040 --> 1:20:19.880
<v Speaker 2>want to have big dreams. It's just making sure you're

1:20:19.880 --> 1:20:22.040
<v Speaker 2>doing the inner healing at the same time, so that,

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, when you get there, you can.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually experience it and feel it.

1:20:25.280 --> 1:20:27.320
<v Speaker 2>And to be honest, one of the biggest things that

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<v Speaker 2>all of this reminds me of because of so many

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<v Speaker 2>of anxiety disorders today and the challenges we have, is

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<v Speaker 2>that there's this beautiful line from C. S. Lewis that

1:20:35.040 --> 1:20:37.960
<v Speaker 2>I love, and he said that you don't have a soul,

1:20:38.400 --> 1:20:41.640
<v Speaker 2>you are the soul and you have a body. And

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<v Speaker 2>I love that because I think we live in such

1:20:43.320 --> 1:20:47.120
<v Speaker 2>a physical world where the body is all we are.

1:20:47.920 --> 1:20:49.520
<v Speaker 3>And the more spiritual.

1:20:49.120 --> 1:20:52.679
<v Speaker 2>Work I've done and leaned into over the last two decades,

1:20:53.040 --> 1:20:54.920
<v Speaker 2>the more I've realized that the more I think I'm

1:20:54.960 --> 1:20:57.960
<v Speaker 2>the body, the less enough I feel. Yeah, But the

1:20:57.960 --> 1:21:01.599
<v Speaker 2>more I believe that I'm spirit and conscious, soul and energy,

1:21:01.720 --> 1:21:05.120
<v Speaker 2>the more abundant I feel, because that's what the spirit is.

1:21:05.120 --> 1:21:08.000
<v Speaker 2>The body is limited. Yes, the body will wither, the

1:21:08.000 --> 1:21:11.800
<v Speaker 2>body will die, the body will destruct, and the body

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<v Speaker 2>will get ill.

1:21:13.040 --> 1:21:14.879
<v Speaker 3>That's what is That's why.

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<v Speaker 2>The body doesn't feel enough, yeah, because it doesn't have

1:21:18.200 --> 1:21:20.880
<v Speaker 2>the longevity that the soul does. But there's a part

1:21:20.920 --> 1:21:24.000
<v Speaker 2>of us inside of us that believes we are eternal

1:21:24.479 --> 1:21:27.879
<v Speaker 2>and blissful and full of knowledge and have the ability

1:21:27.880 --> 1:21:30.320
<v Speaker 2>to outlast. It's the reason why we want to live forever,

1:21:30.880 --> 1:21:33.679
<v Speaker 2>and we're trying to stretch the body to live forever. Yeah,

1:21:33.720 --> 1:21:35.800
<v Speaker 2>but the body doesn't really have that ability. Maybe we'll

1:21:35.800 --> 1:21:37.519
<v Speaker 2>get to one hundred and fifty years, but it doesn't

1:21:37.560 --> 1:21:40.559
<v Speaker 2>have eternality attached to it. It's just not meant to be.

1:21:40.640 --> 1:21:42.880
<v Speaker 2>So to me, it's always been like again, I'm not

1:21:42.880 --> 1:21:45.040
<v Speaker 2>saying I work out, I take supplements, I take care

1:21:45.080 --> 1:21:47.120
<v Speaker 2>of my health, I do all the things. I'm not

1:21:47.200 --> 1:21:49.519
<v Speaker 2>saying to ignore your body. I'm saying that there is

1:21:49.560 --> 1:21:53.559
<v Speaker 2>a part of you that has been left alone for

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<v Speaker 2>too long. Yeah, and reconnecting with that through these eight steps, Yeah,

1:21:58.120 --> 1:22:00.479
<v Speaker 2>it engages you back into it. And one of my

1:22:00.479 --> 1:22:03.200
<v Speaker 2>favorite ones that I wanted to talk about was step five,

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<v Speaker 2>celebrate yourself. And I wanted to kind of get to

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<v Speaker 2>this one because to me, I think the biggest difficulty,

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<v Speaker 2>like you and you were saying, when you ask audiences like,

1:22:12.880 --> 1:22:15.280
<v Speaker 2>hey do you does any is anyone here free of

1:22:15.320 --> 1:22:15.800
<v Speaker 2>self doubt?

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<v Speaker 3>And no one puts up their hand.

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<v Speaker 2>I often ask when I'm in an audience when was

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<v Speaker 2>the last time you noticed and celebrated something good you did,

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<v Speaker 2>and no one.

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<v Speaker 3>Will put their hand up.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting because we have such a discomfort think about people

1:22:28.360 --> 1:22:31.400
<v Speaker 2>dealing with compliments. If someone compliments you, like, most of

1:22:31.479 --> 1:22:33.439
<v Speaker 2>us don't know what to do with it. Yeah, and

1:22:33.439 --> 1:22:35.840
<v Speaker 2>we shrink and we just go away and we kind

1:22:35.840 --> 1:22:38.799
<v Speaker 2>of hide. Obviously, there's some narcissists who love being complimented,

1:22:38.800 --> 1:22:40.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, like ye kind of like the opposite where

1:22:40.600 --> 1:22:42.559
<v Speaker 2>it's like their ego gets fulled. But I think most

1:22:42.560 --> 1:22:46.120
<v Speaker 2>of us just go, oh, thanks, like yeah, cool, like really,

1:22:46.280 --> 1:22:48.639
<v Speaker 2>like do you feel that way? Like we almost question it.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk to me about why celebrating yourself is so important.

1:22:52.560 --> 1:22:55.479
<v Speaker 1>Learning to celebrate who we are and all that we

1:22:55.600 --> 1:22:58.880
<v Speaker 1>have to offer is such an important step of this

1:22:59.000 --> 1:23:02.120
<v Speaker 1>confidence journey, and I think that to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>do it, first, I need to understand why we so

1:23:04.800 --> 1:23:07.880
<v Speaker 1>many of us struggle with it. One of the reasons

1:23:08.000 --> 1:23:12.120
<v Speaker 1>is that we've really glorified humidity. So humidity has become

1:23:12.200 --> 1:23:16.440
<v Speaker 1>this thing that is a very desirable trait that across cultures.

1:23:16.600 --> 1:23:19.479
<v Speaker 1>Being humble is something that we that we really regard highly,

1:23:20.840 --> 1:23:23.040
<v Speaker 1>but most of us have just taken it way too

1:23:23.080 --> 1:23:26.479
<v Speaker 1>far so we become self deprecating. We don't want to

1:23:26.560 --> 1:23:31.040
<v Speaker 1>accept compliments, We don't want to accept that perhaps it

1:23:31.120 --> 1:23:33.639
<v Speaker 1>was our hard work that led to this result. In fact,

1:23:33.680 --> 1:23:35.519
<v Speaker 1>we'll kind of bad it off as a team effort

1:23:35.720 --> 1:23:39.000
<v Speaker 1>or say that it was just luck. And I know that,

1:23:39.160 --> 1:23:41.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, for me definitely, and I know lots of

1:23:41.400 --> 1:23:43.840
<v Speaker 1>people listening will have grown up with the evil eye

1:23:43.880 --> 1:23:47.280
<v Speaker 1>in their culture, and the evil I really kind of

1:23:47.400 --> 1:23:49.840
<v Speaker 1>like ham it in this point, so the evil ie

1:23:49.920 --> 1:23:52.280
<v Speaker 1>really for me. My mum would always say that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>don't appear too happy, too successful, too good, be humble always,

1:23:57.640 --> 1:24:01.280
<v Speaker 1>because if you're not humble, you will negativity, you will

1:24:01.280 --> 1:24:04.120
<v Speaker 1>attract jealousy, and bad things will happen to you. And

1:24:04.160 --> 1:24:06.479
<v Speaker 1>it would be to the point where, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when I got a new house, you'd put like a

1:24:08.240 --> 1:24:11.439
<v Speaker 1>dirty shoe in the hallway, or she'd say to me,

1:24:11.680 --> 1:24:13.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, when I had my son Wolff, she'd say,

1:24:13.720 --> 1:24:15.280
<v Speaker 1>don't let anyone look at him, you know, don't let

1:24:15.320 --> 1:24:17.639
<v Speaker 1>anyone look at his face. Like it was a genuine

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<v Speaker 1>like fear of anything good you know of and not

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<v Speaker 1>having this negative impact on your life. And so subconsciously,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we can't. We start forming these kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like beliefs that like, oh God, like if I seem happy,

1:24:33.200 --> 1:24:36.000
<v Speaker 1>if I seem successful, if I celebrate myself in any way,

1:24:36.640 --> 1:24:38.400
<v Speaker 1>something bad is going to happen, or people are gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be jealous, or people just aren't gonna like me, And

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<v Speaker 1>so we start to really like stop celebrating ourselves because

1:24:44.680 --> 1:24:49.920
<v Speaker 1>of that. But another big reason is because we have

1:24:50.080 --> 1:24:54.960
<v Speaker 1>confused confidence with arrogance, and they are not the same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell me the difference between confidence and arrogance.

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<v Speaker 1>So arrogant says I am the best, and confidence says

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<v Speaker 1>I'm working to be the best that I can be.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that we all know what it's like

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<v Speaker 1>to be around somebody who is truly arrogant. You know,

1:25:13.960 --> 1:25:16.840
<v Speaker 1>they can be demeaning, they undermind you, they make you

1:25:16.880 --> 1:25:20.320
<v Speaker 1>feel small. It's not nice, and so of course you

1:25:20.360 --> 1:25:22.519
<v Speaker 1>can understand why we don't want to come across that way.

1:25:23.240 --> 1:25:26.680
<v Speaker 1>But what people don't understand is that you can be

1:25:26.880 --> 1:25:30.200
<v Speaker 1>confident in who you are without being arrogant. And in fact,

1:25:30.280 --> 1:25:33.559
<v Speaker 1>if you're worried about being arrogant, you're not because arrogant

1:25:33.600 --> 1:25:37.519
<v Speaker 1>people aren't that self aware. And I think that we

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<v Speaker 1>have like a collective responsibility to encourage each other to

1:25:44.360 --> 1:25:47.080
<v Speaker 1>step into our most confident selves. And we can do

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<v Speaker 1>that by giving each other permission to celebrate ourselves. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that culturally we there is nothing more triggering

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<v Speaker 1>to people than confidence. A confident can really rub someone

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<v Speaker 1>up the wrong way, for sure, and we start saying

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<v Speaker 1>they're so up themselves, they think, who do they think

1:26:07.800 --> 1:26:10.080
<v Speaker 1>they are? We talk about each other in this way,

1:26:10.120 --> 1:26:13.640
<v Speaker 1>and so imagine you're hearing this in conversation. Then you're thinking, God,

1:26:13.680 --> 1:26:15.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't people saying about me, So I better not

1:26:15.400 --> 1:26:18.040
<v Speaker 1>seem too confident. I might better not accept praise. I

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<v Speaker 1>better not celebrate or say this good thing that happened

1:26:20.439 --> 1:26:24.080
<v Speaker 1>to me. I think, you know, we're doing a disservice

1:26:24.120 --> 1:26:26.879
<v Speaker 1>to each other, and so I really want to encourage

1:26:26.920 --> 1:26:30.679
<v Speaker 1>people to celebrate themselves. To be able to accept praise,

1:26:30.760 --> 1:26:32.559
<v Speaker 1>to be able to say thank you and someone compliments you,

1:26:32.600 --> 1:26:35.360
<v Speaker 1>to be able to like say online, if you know,

1:26:35.439 --> 1:26:37.839
<v Speaker 1>someden goold happen to your business, or you've got the promotion,

1:26:38.080 --> 1:26:41.800
<v Speaker 1>or tell your friends, and let's celebrate each other with

1:26:41.960 --> 1:26:45.640
<v Speaker 1>that and be like yes, because I personally feel so

1:26:45.840 --> 1:26:49.000
<v Speaker 1>empowered when I see a confident person. I love being

1:26:49.040 --> 1:26:51.000
<v Speaker 1>around confident people because I feel like it gives me

1:26:51.080 --> 1:26:53.679
<v Speaker 1>permission to be that way too. And so I think,

1:26:54.520 --> 1:26:57.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's something that is both a solo thing

1:26:57.560 --> 1:26:59.640
<v Speaker 1>that we need to do ourselves, but also something that

1:26:59.640 --> 1:27:01.080
<v Speaker 1>collects we can help each other with.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's almost giving each other permission. Like I think

1:27:04.479 --> 1:27:07.720
<v Speaker 2>we all know the friend that you call when you're

1:27:07.760 --> 1:27:10.519
<v Speaker 2>having a bad day, But who's the friend that you

1:27:10.520 --> 1:27:11.479
<v Speaker 2>can call when you're having.

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<v Speaker 3>A great day?

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<v Speaker 1>Very different?

1:27:13.320 --> 1:27:16.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very different and talk about your biggest win. Yes,

1:27:16.680 --> 1:27:21.439
<v Speaker 2>And a lot of us feel uncomfortable saying to someone, hey,

1:27:21.479 --> 1:27:23.920
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm going to go chase this new business

1:27:23.920 --> 1:27:25.519
<v Speaker 2>I want to start because we're scared of friend's going

1:27:25.560 --> 1:27:26.960
<v Speaker 2>to say why are you doing that?

1:27:27.080 --> 1:27:28.120
<v Speaker 3>Like what's wrong with you?

1:27:28.160 --> 1:27:30.280
<v Speaker 2>Like just be happy with what you have, Or your

1:27:30.320 --> 1:27:32.320
<v Speaker 2>friend says to you like, oh you know what, like

1:27:32.360 --> 1:27:34.040
<v Speaker 2>I just got promoted work, I want to throw a

1:27:34.040 --> 1:27:35.640
<v Speaker 2>party and whatever. And then you're scared to say that

1:27:35.680 --> 1:27:37.519
<v Speaker 2>because you're scared that someone else is going to feel

1:27:37.960 --> 1:27:41.080
<v Speaker 2>that their inferior, their life's not good. And there is

1:27:41.560 --> 1:27:43.760
<v Speaker 2>there is that in friendship, Like in friendship, you do care,

1:27:43.840 --> 1:27:45.679
<v Speaker 2>you don't want to make people feel infory. You don't

1:27:45.680 --> 1:27:48.400
<v Speaker 2>want to make people feel upset, And at the same time,

1:27:48.439 --> 1:27:51.240
<v Speaker 2>you've got to hold space for your celebration. And I

1:27:51.280 --> 1:27:56.880
<v Speaker 2>think if people could acknowledge every day something they got right,

1:27:57.960 --> 1:28:00.200
<v Speaker 2>that would help with that heckler and that in a

1:28:00.240 --> 1:28:03.360
<v Speaker 2>critic inside, because you're already doing the opposite anyway. Yes,

1:28:03.439 --> 1:28:05.160
<v Speaker 2>you're already coming up with a long list of everything

1:28:05.160 --> 1:28:06.560
<v Speaker 2>you got wrong. I know, when your head hits the

1:28:06.600 --> 1:28:08.880
<v Speaker 2>pillow every night, you're thinking, I should have done that

1:28:08.920 --> 1:28:11.720
<v Speaker 2>at work, should have done that with my kid, and

1:28:11.720 --> 1:28:13.880
<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't have said that to my partner. So you've

1:28:13.880 --> 1:28:15.360
<v Speaker 2>already got a list of things you're not doing. So

1:28:15.400 --> 1:28:17.120
<v Speaker 2>you already are self aware. And that's good because you

1:28:17.120 --> 1:28:19.600
<v Speaker 2>will be arrogant. But there's a need to be like,

1:28:19.680 --> 1:28:22.519
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I nailed that presentation at work today.

1:28:22.560 --> 1:28:25.360
<v Speaker 2>You know what, I actually was great in that meeting today.

1:28:25.360 --> 1:28:26.720
<v Speaker 2>You know I was really happy, how I held my

1:28:26.760 --> 1:28:30.920
<v Speaker 2>own in that difficult conversation with my friend partner, whatever.

1:28:31.000 --> 1:28:34.040
<v Speaker 2>Like what would you consider people? What can people do

1:28:34.600 --> 1:28:37.120
<v Speaker 2>practically every day or week or month. Yeah, talk to

1:28:37.120 --> 1:28:39.800
<v Speaker 2>me about celebrating yourself as a habit. Yes, because I

1:28:39.840 --> 1:28:43.439
<v Speaker 2>think we also wait for like the promotion, the wedding and.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so there's two things that I really love that

1:28:45.960 --> 1:28:48.200
<v Speaker 1>are in this step. So one of them is just

1:28:48.240 --> 1:28:50.960
<v Speaker 1>about celebrating the small winds. So, like you said, it's

1:28:50.960 --> 1:28:53.320
<v Speaker 1>like really noticing what are the small things that you

1:28:53.360 --> 1:28:55.000
<v Speaker 1>did today that you can be proud of yourself for

1:28:55.439 --> 1:28:57.640
<v Speaker 1>when you're struggling to think. One of the things that

1:28:58.000 --> 1:29:02.080
<v Speaker 1>I think people can always count on finding somewhere where

1:29:02.080 --> 1:29:04.920
<v Speaker 1>in your day. Did you react better than you would

1:29:05.000 --> 1:29:06.000
<v Speaker 1>have five years ago?

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great question, you know.

1:29:07.800 --> 1:29:10.439
<v Speaker 1>And I think sometimes I just think that is such

1:29:10.520 --> 1:29:13.000
<v Speaker 1>a win, Like do you know what, like a year

1:29:13.040 --> 1:29:14.920
<v Speaker 1>ago that would have really stressed me out. I can

1:29:14.960 --> 1:29:18.040
<v Speaker 1>sit here now and say two years ago, I would

1:29:18.080 --> 1:29:21.760
<v Speaker 1>have felt so nervous, And my win today is that

1:29:21.800 --> 1:29:24.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm here and I'm enjoying it rather than being nervous.

1:29:24.320 --> 1:29:27.320
<v Speaker 1>So that might be your win, your small win. Another

1:29:27.360 --> 1:29:31.160
<v Speaker 1>thing that I love is celebrating your everyday qualities. So

1:29:31.320 --> 1:29:34.639
<v Speaker 1>often when we think about what can we celebrate about ourselves,

1:29:34.640 --> 1:29:36.040
<v Speaker 1>we think about the things that we would put on

1:29:36.040 --> 1:29:38.360
<v Speaker 1>a CV. But I want you to not think about

1:29:38.360 --> 1:29:39.880
<v Speaker 1>those things. I want you to think about what are

1:29:39.880 --> 1:29:43.880
<v Speaker 1>the things that make you so unique to you and

1:29:44.000 --> 1:29:45.200
<v Speaker 1>the close people around you?

1:29:45.720 --> 1:29:45.800
<v Speaker 3>So?

1:29:46.320 --> 1:29:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Is it that you're able to make light of situations

1:29:48.680 --> 1:29:51.880
<v Speaker 1>on a hard day. Is it that you are always

1:29:51.960 --> 1:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>the one that's arranging, you know, everyone's meet up. Is

1:29:57.720 --> 1:29:59.200
<v Speaker 1>it that you're the one that gets everyone out of

1:29:59.200 --> 1:30:01.120
<v Speaker 1>the house on time? Is it that you're the one

1:30:01.120 --> 1:30:03.559
<v Speaker 1>that always has a handbag filled with things so that

1:30:03.600 --> 1:30:05.439
<v Speaker 1>when someone needs it, it's there. Are you the one

1:30:05.479 --> 1:30:07.720
<v Speaker 1>that always brings the snacks? Are you the one that

1:30:08.680 --> 1:30:12.080
<v Speaker 1>you know always gives really good advice to a friend

1:30:12.080 --> 1:30:15.800
<v Speaker 1>and offers them a new perspective? What are your everyday qualities?

1:30:15.960 --> 1:30:18.439
<v Speaker 1>And really, I want you to literally write down a

1:30:18.439 --> 1:30:20.679
<v Speaker 1>list of them and think of it like your own

1:30:20.720 --> 1:30:25.280
<v Speaker 1>personal CV, and recognize that all these amazing little things,

1:30:25.320 --> 1:30:29.160
<v Speaker 1>these nuances, these quirks, these all these things that you

1:30:29.200 --> 1:30:34.280
<v Speaker 1>have to offer what make you this multifaceted, magnificent, unique,

1:30:34.400 --> 1:30:35.280
<v Speaker 1>wonderful human.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I love that.

1:30:36.520 --> 1:30:38.960
<v Speaker 2>I love that As a practice, It's it's so needed.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like if we all noticed, if we all

1:30:42.720 --> 1:30:46.280
<v Speaker 2>spend time noticing more good within ourselves, we'd notice more

1:30:46.320 --> 1:30:50.040
<v Speaker 2>good within other people. Yes, and we'd see more good

1:30:50.080 --> 1:30:54.360
<v Speaker 2>happen in our work life, family home, because we're just

1:30:54.439 --> 1:30:57.160
<v Speaker 2>training ourselves to see the good the challenges. When we've

1:30:57.160 --> 1:30:59.360
<v Speaker 2>trained ourselves to only see the bad, we see the

1:30:59.360 --> 1:31:01.559
<v Speaker 2>bad in ourselves. We see the bad and everyone else.

1:31:02.080 --> 1:31:03.559
<v Speaker 2>Some of the other days said this quote to me

1:31:03.640 --> 1:31:07.240
<v Speaker 2>that I loved, and they said, catch people doing things right,

1:31:08.920 --> 1:31:11.400
<v Speaker 2>catch people doing things right, because we always feel like,

1:31:11.479 --> 1:31:13.760
<v Speaker 2>oh I got you, I saw you steeling, I saw

1:31:13.800 --> 1:31:16.400
<v Speaker 2>you dying, I saw you. But we don't catch people

1:31:16.439 --> 1:31:18.800
<v Speaker 2>doing things right. And he said, when you catch people

1:31:18.800 --> 1:31:20.360
<v Speaker 2>doing things right, they'll do them again.

1:31:20.560 --> 1:31:21.680
<v Speaker 1>I love, they'll do them more.

1:31:21.680 --> 1:31:22.280
<v Speaker 3>And so we've got to.

1:31:22.280 --> 1:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Learn to catch people doing things right because they are.

1:31:25.800 --> 1:31:28.280
<v Speaker 2>There's we're doing things right all the time. Yeah, our

1:31:28.280 --> 1:31:30.280
<v Speaker 2>friends are doing things right, our partners are doing things right,

1:31:30.280 --> 1:31:32.400
<v Speaker 2>our kids are doing things right. But we never catch

1:31:32.439 --> 1:31:34.080
<v Speaker 2>them doing things on things right. We only catch people

1:31:34.120 --> 1:31:34.760
<v Speaker 2>doing things wrong.

1:31:34.840 --> 1:31:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. You know, it's really funny because there's a I

1:31:37.200 --> 1:31:40.719
<v Speaker 1>can't remember the phenomenon that it is. I write about

1:31:40.720 --> 1:31:43.280
<v Speaker 1>it in the book, which is basically that our brains

1:31:43.360 --> 1:31:46.439
<v Speaker 1>assume that other people think the way that we do. Yes,

1:31:46.479 --> 1:31:48.559
<v Speaker 1>and so one thing I encourage people to do is

1:31:48.680 --> 1:31:51.559
<v Speaker 1>really watch when you're judging other people, and try to

1:31:51.760 --> 1:31:55.559
<v Speaker 1>really change that judgment to compassion, because if we do

1:31:55.640 --> 1:31:58.720
<v Speaker 1>it less about other people, we will assume people are

1:31:58.720 --> 1:32:01.080
<v Speaker 1>doing it less about us, and then we'll give ourselves

1:32:01.080 --> 1:32:02.600
<v Speaker 1>more freedom to be who we want to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so well said everyone in the book is called Confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight steps to knowing your Worth. We only touched on

1:32:08.960 --> 1:32:10.320
<v Speaker 2>a couple of steps today, but I want you to

1:32:10.360 --> 1:32:13.800
<v Speaker 2>read the book. Master your thoughts, act with intention, stop

1:32:13.840 --> 1:32:17.000
<v Speaker 2>trying to be liked by everybody, break free from comparison,

1:32:17.520 --> 1:32:20.559
<v Speaker 2>celebrate yourself, do hard things, be of service to others.

1:32:20.640 --> 1:32:21.960
<v Speaker 3>Shop as your best self.

1:32:22.400 --> 1:32:24.519
<v Speaker 2>Roxy as I've got to know you over the years,

1:32:24.520 --> 1:32:27.840
<v Speaker 2>and just I remember when I got that DM from

1:32:27.880 --> 1:32:30.280
<v Speaker 2>you in twenty twenty two and we connected and you

1:32:30.360 --> 1:32:32.840
<v Speaker 2>came on to write Manifest, which I know has helped

1:32:32.880 --> 1:32:35.240
<v Speaker 2>so many you know, millions of people around the world.

1:32:35.720 --> 1:32:38.160
<v Speaker 2>And then to see you write Confidence. But even just

1:32:38.200 --> 1:32:41.120
<v Speaker 2>the way you showed up today in your vulnerability and

1:32:41.200 --> 1:32:45.040
<v Speaker 2>in your confidence, to me, that's a sign that you're

1:32:45.080 --> 1:32:48.720
<v Speaker 2>someone who's doing the work and doing the hardest of it,

1:32:49.560 --> 1:32:53.000
<v Speaker 2>and a reminder to everyone who's listening.

1:32:52.840 --> 1:32:53.799
<v Speaker 3>And watching that.

1:32:55.120 --> 1:32:58.960
<v Speaker 2>You know you're all on your own journey and the

1:32:59.080 --> 1:33:01.960
<v Speaker 2>judgment that we are scared of facing from everyone else

1:33:03.800 --> 1:33:08.200
<v Speaker 2>is really really tough, and because of that, we don't

1:33:08.360 --> 1:33:11.599
<v Speaker 2>often express who we truly are. And who we truly

1:33:11.640 --> 1:33:16.680
<v Speaker 2>are is this paradoxical, multifaceted, multi layered person. And when

1:33:16.720 --> 1:33:18.880
<v Speaker 2>we allow people to be all of themselves and all

1:33:18.920 --> 1:33:23.600
<v Speaker 2>of their experiences, we allow ourselves to be all of

1:33:23.600 --> 1:33:25.960
<v Speaker 2>ourselves and all of our experiences rather than thinking we

1:33:26.080 --> 1:33:28.599
<v Speaker 2>just have to be one thing. And to me, I'm

1:33:28.600 --> 1:33:32.680
<v Speaker 2>happy that you've shown us the real view of what

1:33:32.720 --> 1:33:37.400
<v Speaker 2>confidence looks like, which is it's hard, it's messy, it's complicated,

1:33:37.640 --> 1:33:40.639
<v Speaker 2>it's layered, and at the same time, it's something that

1:33:41.120 --> 1:33:44.120
<v Speaker 2>we can all have while we experience all those emotions.

1:33:44.160 --> 1:33:47.280
<v Speaker 2>So thank you, Roxy, thank you so much, and thank you.

1:33:47.640 --> 1:33:50.240
<v Speaker 2>Really excited for people to read the book and connect

1:33:50.240 --> 1:33:52.439
<v Speaker 2>with you. If you don't already follow Roxy on social media,

1:33:52.479 --> 1:33:54.640
<v Speaker 2>please follow her. But Roxy, anything I didn't ask you

1:33:54.680 --> 1:33:56.800
<v Speaker 2>that you really want to talk about anything that's on

1:33:56.840 --> 1:33:58.040
<v Speaker 2>your heart or a message that.

1:33:58.760 --> 1:34:02.320
<v Speaker 1>No, Honestly, I'm just firstly so grateful to you always

1:34:02.320 --> 1:34:05.120
<v Speaker 1>for just being so kind and genuine and giving me

1:34:05.160 --> 1:34:07.240
<v Speaker 1>the space to talk about it. And asking me such

1:34:07.280 --> 1:34:13.400
<v Speaker 1>different questions, and you know, I think it's you've pushed

1:34:13.400 --> 1:34:15.720
<v Speaker 1>me to practice what I preach in that you know,

1:34:15.920 --> 1:34:18.760
<v Speaker 1>I was afraid to talk about the badd staff in

1:34:18.800 --> 1:34:24.640
<v Speaker 1>case I was judged, misunderstood, not liked. And really, what

1:34:24.760 --> 1:34:27.320
<v Speaker 1>I tell people is, you know, you've got to do

1:34:27.400 --> 1:34:31.519
<v Speaker 1>what be authentically you. And you've kind of pushed me

1:34:33.080 --> 1:34:35.160
<v Speaker 1>out my comfort zone today in a good way. Not

1:34:35.360 --> 1:34:37.080
<v Speaker 1>you didn't, I mean, you didn't force me to do it.

1:34:37.560 --> 1:34:40.559
<v Speaker 1>You've given me the space to do it. And I'm

1:34:40.600 --> 1:34:43.759
<v Speaker 1>really grateful for that. And I just hope that anyone,

1:34:44.960 --> 1:34:49.599
<v Speaker 1>for anyone listening. I absolutely know that everybody listening, when

1:34:49.640 --> 1:34:52.479
<v Speaker 1>they were born into this world, they were born full

1:34:52.680 --> 1:34:56.720
<v Speaker 1>of self worth, full of confidence. But somewhere along the

1:34:56.760 --> 1:35:00.000
<v Speaker 1>way they learned one thing that they were not enough

1:35:00.120 --> 1:35:04.600
<v Speaker 1>as they were. And I am on a mission to

1:35:06.080 --> 1:35:10.120
<v Speaker 1>undo that damage so they can come back to that knowing.

1:35:10.880 --> 1:35:14.639
<v Speaker 1>And the last line of my book is this, true

1:35:14.680 --> 1:35:18.680
<v Speaker 1>confidence is knowing that your worth was never up for discussion.

1:35:19.560 --> 1:35:24.280
<v Speaker 1>And I really hope that every single one of you listening, watching,

1:35:24.840 --> 1:35:28.839
<v Speaker 1>comes to that realization so that you can truly unlock

1:35:28.880 --> 1:35:32.520
<v Speaker 1>your fullest potential. Life is really good on the other side.

1:35:33.160 --> 1:35:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>If you love this episode, you'll enjoy my interview with

1:35:38.840 --> 1:35:42.080
<v Speaker 2>doctor Daniel Ahman on how to change your life by

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<v Speaker 2>changing your brain.

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<v Speaker 3>If we want a healthy mind, it actually starts with

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<v Speaker 3>a healthy brain. You know, I've had the blessing or

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<v Speaker 3>the curse to scan

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<v Speaker 2>Over a thousand convicted felons and over one hundred murderers,

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<v Speaker 2>and their brains are very damna.