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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for a Black Girls podcasts, a

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Speaker 1: weekly conversation about mental health, personal development, and all the

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Speaker 1: small decisions we can make to become the best possible

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Speaker 1: versions of ourselves. I'm your host, Dr Joy hard and Bradford,

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Speaker 1: a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. To get more information,

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Speaker 1: visit the website at Therapy for Black Girls dot com.

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Speaker 1: And while I hope you love listening to and learning

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Speaker 1: from the podcast, it is not meant to be a

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Speaker 1: substitute for a relationship with a licensed mental health professional. Hey, y'all,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining me for session of the

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Speaker 1: Therapy for Black Girls podcast. For today's episode, we'll be

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Speaker 1: looking at the multiple roles we have as women and

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Speaker 1: how these roles can impact how we see ourselves. For

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Speaker 1: this conversation, I was joined by Sarah Elisey, who is

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Speaker 1: Sarah is the owner of Sounder Mind Wellness Center, a

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Speaker 1: well being. She has over thirteen years of clinical experience

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Speaker 1: and child welfare and non profit management. She is an entrepreneur, writer,

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Speaker 1: and public speaker. Sarah has a passion to empower and

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Speaker 1: help women heal and create healthy relationships and experienced joy

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Speaker 1: in their lives. Sarah has a Baschelor's degree in psychology

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Speaker 1: from Florida International University and a master's degree in counseling

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Speaker 1: from Barry University. Sarah and I chatted about some of

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Speaker 1: the ways our multiple roles as women impact our identity,

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Speaker 1: mommy guilt, and how to manage all of these roles

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Speaker 1: hear something that resonates with you while listening, please be

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Speaker 1: the hashtag tv G in Session. Here's our conversation. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us today, Sarah, You're very welcome.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to have you chat with us um and

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Speaker 1: I know in a couple of the other episodes we've

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Speaker 1: So I want to start by asking you why do

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Speaker 1: things to all people as moms, you know, the world

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Speaker 1: ourselves to take care of our families, take care of

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Speaker 1: our children, and when we feel like we're unable to

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Speaker 1: and you kind of like feel guilty about not being

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Speaker 1: that you're doing. Yeah, so I think you mentioned an

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Speaker 1: and when we feel like we're not like being enough,

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Speaker 1: that it can trigger some of these feelings of guilt, definitely,

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Speaker 1: because you want to be that person. You don't want

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Speaker 1: there's that inner competition with others where you're like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: very right, and that's the thing that really those unrealistic

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Speaker 1: Can you say more about that, and like, in what

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Speaker 1: You know, who were many hats as women, we were

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Speaker 1: outside of those roles. Find out who you are truly

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Speaker 1: outside of the role of being a mom um. Learn

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Speaker 1: You know, that's where balance comes in, creating a system

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Speaker 1: so right now on your goals and create action steps

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Speaker 1: visually see progress. You know, we get upset when it

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Speaker 1: seems that we aren't accomplishing anything. You know, set your

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Speaker 1: expectations and communicate them. You can't expect people to know

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Speaker 1: effectively and efficiently. We avoid so many misunderstandings when we

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Speaker 1: learn how to articulate our emotions to others. And next,

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Speaker 1: much we think we can, it's impossible to do everything

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Speaker 1: else to do. And then next, limit your distractions. Ask yourself,

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Speaker 1: things done. The next thing, separate your work at home,

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Speaker 1: time for yourself. If you don't take care of yourself

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Speaker 1: Self care is a world that we've been hearing all lately,

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Speaker 1: but it's important. Yeah, those are some really good actionable strategy, Sarah,

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Speaker 1: creating like action steps to stop feeling that way. Also

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Speaker 1: your life. Nice. So, are there particular books or podcasts

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me dr Joy. Absolutely

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